assassination

[normal mist]

If you're talking ST/raid environment, it's always a sim angle and my character sims ATM want way more haste.
M+ my character is fine with CRIT mastery

[waxen oyster]

congrats we aren’t talking outlaw’s estranged relationship with mastery

[normal mist]

Yeah this is the sin channel

[waxen oyster]

The difference given the same ilvl is at best within sim variance.

[zinc vortex]

what are we even talking about? and why

[waxen oyster]

That stressing your secondaries on a spec that it barely matters for is stupid.

Ilvl will win 99% of scenarios.

[zinc vortex]

i never doubt that ^^

i just got a hang on " crit mastery is somehwat pulling out of asses and nothing to do with theory craft " tbh. cause i dont think thats true in this way

[fallen arch]

But

Hear me out

[waxen oyster]

Because it’s a generic answer that somewhat works for the iq of the average person.

[fallen arch]

If none of the secondaries are bad for us

[waxen oyster]

Who asks about that

[fallen arch]

Why the fuck arent we stacking vers for extra survivability

[kind hare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

same idea as why bis list on guides exists

[waxen oyster]

Who is we

[zinc vortex]

cause we are oneshot from random shit anyway ^^

[fallen arch]

We assa rogues

[waxen oyster]

Bro’s acting like 5% dr

is gonna stop a oneshot

it aint

[past panther]

we fall over half the time in feint and all the time outside of feint

vers means fuck all when we’re already swiss cheese

[waxen oyster]

again who

besides the very top end doing like 15/16s maybe

Also requires you to have options in your gear

and not sacking maybe 4-5 ilvls for vers

which the stam loss likely isnt worth even

[fallen arch]

5% extra dr would help for a lot of stuff, not talking about potential oneshot mechanics

[fallen arch]

Not what I said

[waxen oyster]

No vers is literally there to live onetaps

and largely placebo

[zinc vortex]

its s1 too. so we just dont have the stats to take it to an important amount without losing too much. in s3 when all of our better stats are in high dr its a thing maybe. but when this time hits we probably play outlaw or sub , so versa is a thing anyway xD

[waxen oyster]

Link me an ss where 5% dr would have stopped it

its usually severe overkill

[waxen oyster]

Depends how they tune either of these specs

People cap out at 12s then talk about oneshots

are funny….

[zinc vortex]

sure. thats future content. but it would be the 1st addon since years without outlaw not beeing the dungeon king. gues this wont happen

[waxen oyster]

?

SL

legion

df s1 was leaning more sub after outlaw got smacked by the nerfbat 7x

[waxen oyster]

Also Df s2 was literally just a year ago

and clearly a sub season

[exotic parcel]

Wich tree do you guys prefer for M+?

[wispy marsh]

Morning rogues

[zinc vortex]

yeah and 3 seasons outlaw. in average there are over the past years cleary more outlaw seaons in m+ content than another spec. each spec had its time to shine but in the end it was outlaw for m+

[waxen oyster]

?

Brother what are you on

[zinc vortex]

and when not its like shadowlands dungeon depended

[waxen oyster]

df s4 was not a clear winner for outlaw

neither was df s2 or 1

S3 was the only definite outlaw season

[zinc vortex]

no df s4 was logging out and spectation casters on twitch

[spice surge]

And if they hadnt butchered assa because of raid

Its possible assa wouldve been the play instead

[toxic yarrow]

is it okay to just castsequence Deathmark+Kingsbane + Shiv and use shif at last 8sec? Aint that what we do?

[waxen oyster]

Also SL was hardly an outlaw expac

[toxic yarrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

So this is literally a false statement

[primal oasis]

Around what key level should I start using the "hybrid build"? Currently using the bleed build from wowhead which is supposed to be for low m+

[zinc vortex]

ok

[waxen oyster]

df s1 was relatively balanced between outlaw and sub when it came to actual push

Who tf cares about first month vault filling “meta”

[waxen oyster]

Also unless you know a guy on blizz balancing team you cant say for certain which spec of rogue does more damage in later seasons of this expac

[lunar pond]

Given what they put out, it’ll be surprise to everyone

[wispy marsh]

Obviously it'll be whichever spec is doing the most damage

[waxen oyster]

Nah they’ll nerf spatter to 20% and cut ct in half

and people will say outlaw meta due to more tanky

[wispy marsh]

stop it, I'll cry

[waxen oyster]

Would be nice

Then the dumb m+ player opinions will move somewhere like ret channel of hammer of wrath.

[wispy marsh]

They've actually said sin is underperforming, caustic damage up 60% and bleeds now double duration.

[wispy marsh]

Me on my shitty destro lock

[waxen oyster]

Yeah no sin got overbuffed

if anything

[crisp walrus]

sin is definitely too strong in m+ rn

[normal mist]

We're never too strong :3

[crisp walrus]

at least it is in my opinion as someone who exclusively plays it

[waxen oyster]

It also has the easiest learning curve

of any of the 3 specs

[crisp walrus]

finding a good plater profile for sin m+ is harder than actually playing the class

[normal mist]

I find whispyr's one really good

[crisp walrus]

im using whispyrs one rn and i find it ok

im not used to it though

and i hate not being able to see which mob has my deathmark and kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

Like if outlaw was an S tier m+ spec

but kir was the only playable build

way less players than sin has rn

[junior yoke]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[crisp walrus]

i think the only reason sin hasnt been nerfed for m+ already is the playrate

rogue is just very unpopular compared to stuff like fdk

[waxen oyster]

as much as i call sin easy

rogue as a class is still more complex

[crisp walrus]

yes

[waxen oyster]

than dk or ret

[real onyx]

hewy do we use vanish in the opener?

if so when

[crisp walrus]

depends on ur build

[turbid canopy]

kingsbane then vanish

[crisp walrus]

if ur running master assassin you want to use it during the last 6s of kingsbane, if ur running sub on top of that u wanna pop it during last 12s

[waxen oyster]

the amount of times i see things asked that are effectively answered if people bothered to read what their spells do

is impressive

[crisp walrus]

hahaha yeah i know but i ask questions like that all the time

[turbid canopy]

if u run subterfuge just vanish right after kingsbane

[crisp walrus]

hard to read tooltips if u dont know where to read 😛

[crisp walrus]

not right after, you vanish during the last 12s

ive got a great kingsbane timeline wa

does it all for you

[turbid canopy]

envenom then vaanish ig

[waxen oyster]

Highly situational

[crisp walrus]

^

[turbid canopy]

most of the time i just vannish righ after

[crisp walrus]

i only use vanish for dps when i know i wont need for anything elwse

[waxen oyster]

If you want to refresh bleeds on a pack you’ll be spending your first few globals with IC spread

[crisp walrus]

u dont wanna do that for dps

^

in m+ i never vanish for dps

in raid i do but not if i know that i wanna spread bleeds later

[waxen oyster]

If you only ran 1/2 subterfuge

[crisp walrus]

vanish is also the only cd that can save you if ur hero talent bugs out/u fuck it up

[waxen oyster]

you’d wait for 9s

anyway

[crisp walrus]

^

[wide ferry]

is there any point in doing higher keys than 10? beside io?

[crisp walrus]

Its much better to vanish 1s late than 1s early, as kingsbane does more damage the more it runs

[crisp walrus]

nope

just 4 fun

and io

[wide ferry]

im 2780 and cant get into 12's for shit and im asking myself why lmao

yea f it im gonna farm 10s then

[waxen oyster]

I mean at the push level

stop pugging

[lost grotto]

when i sim myself with dslice it says Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg is a upgrade but idk if it wouldnt be better to choose dead eye or toxin so i could upgrade them higher

[crisp walrus]

dslice sims are very weird

[normal mist]

Ovinax is a trinket you have to play around

toxin is an okay ST trinket

[lunar pond]

I have it it’s fine, I would run spyglass instead

[lost grotto]

yeah but i dont think i will play around a trinket in M+

[turbid crest]

Hey do we have any bis on BRD money raid ?

[normal mist]

if that was ME i wouldnt even sim it

[turbid crest]

that we can buy ?

[normal mist]

i'd just get spyglass

again, if that was ME

[crisp walrus]

^

[lost grotto]

ok i will choose spyglass because its you

[normal mist]

nop

[normal mist]

not the answer i was expecting xD

[lost grotto]

[crisp walrus]

also the spyglass was mythic track and egg was hero track right

[turbid crest]

i cannot see the table of loot of brd

[crisp walrus]

fuck the egg then

dont even sim it

[turbid crest]

can some1 screen it for me ?

pls

[lost grotto]

yes lol

thats a big point why i dont want egg xd

[normal mist]

its all hero track items, none of them are good

[crisp walrus]

yeah just dont take it lol

[normal mist]

if there was any decent item from that raid, even in hero track, it would be pinned

[crisp walrus]

i probably wouldnt sim spyglass vs flayedwing either and just take spyglass but thats just me

[amber brook]

I saw a warbound skardyns

[night oxide]

How do you guys do ST dps in M+ on bosses?
Whenever I try to keep up envenom uptime, even if I only press it when when the buff is about to come off, I always run out of energy somehow

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

^ @night oxide

[tired gull]

100% uptime isn’t your goal, maximizing uptime while managing energy is the goal

[night oxide]

tyvm

[patent elk]

at what keylevel does ppl start to switch to sub for last 2 bosses of NW?

and is it really needed

[normal mist]

I'd love to help on that one but i'm not a M+ pusher myself

[wispy marsh]

Had a norm Queen ring drop that I won on mage, as well as a vet ring warbind to me, lol, 2 rings 1 night

[unreal fern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim plover]

Is where a faq for ass somewhere.. with wa and macros

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

right there

[grim plover]

Thanks

[hollow river]

there's wa links right above your comment as well :d

[odd notch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sudden sigil]

Can someone link whispers plater?

[grim plover]

Blind as a bat

[sharp trellis]

Hi ,any macro for tricks without focus ?

[normal mist]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[sharp trellis]

just putting those is going to tricks on tank ?

[normal mist]

you need the WA too

but afaik yes

(i dont use it)

[real onyx]

ty

[lethal turtle]

Yeah the script auto updates the tanks name in your group base on role

[sharp trellis]

which weak aura? 😄

[normal mist]

click the blue text

[sharp trellis]

ty

[zinc vortex]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tEhLquLvkGrPeLxgPqURxP I love that my sims really want the damn haste for ST

[amber brook]

I sit at 20% haste

[normal mist]

Your sims keep prioritizing haste items even at 20%?

[amber brook]

yep

[normal mist]

M+

ST

Sims do the maths and i just equip the items

[strange python]

hey which video is the pooling energy video? anyone have it?

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[normal mist]

oh there's no video there

[chilly bloom]

Is MA bugged? It does not refresh the buff if I vanish while the buff is still active.

[amber brook]

didnt whisp wanted to hide it since it was expansion ago?

[strange python]

oh thought he made a new one, thats fine by me if its not as relevant

[normal mist]

I mean there's really not that much pooling to do rn

[strange python]

can you help me understand it?

so staying under 50% energy

[sullen phoenix]

guys anyone know why horror boss put me out of stealth on pull?

[strange python]

leads to more envenoms?

[drowsy hatch]

Pooling is giga dead in st

The reason you stay under 50% is so you don't sanguine in st

Since that's poopy

[normal mist]

and we dont really play sanguine in ST anyway

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah that's more m+ st

[normal mist]

atleast not in raid

[drowsy hatch]

Even then you can drop it

[normal mist]

yeah yeah

[strange python]

gotcha, ok so sanguine is the only reason id pool, but since we dont use it in ST i dont have to pool

[normal mist]

2nd boss of the raid?

[strange python]

and in M+ we get so much energy from bleeding other targets that pooling also still doesnt really matter

[drowsy hatch]

Well sanguine is why you stay under 50%

[sullen phoenix]

yea

[drowsy hatch]

You pool for envenom uptime

St has too much energy regen since we don't run the energy drainers for raid build

[strange python]

wait i thought you wanted to be OVER 50% to use sanguine...

[amber brook]

under

[drowsy hatch]

You don't want sanguine during st

[amber brook]

over 50% consumes energy to increase bleed dmg

[strange python]

takes more energy to duplicate damage, duplicate damage = good right?

[drowsy hatch]

You take sanguine for aoe dmg

In st it's less efficient than envenom

[zinc vortex]

you dont want to trigger it in single target cause of energy starving

[drowsy hatch]

So you stay under

[strange python]

got it got it

so aoe itll happen naturally

single target ill fuck myself over

[drowsy hatch]

Yes since you're energy flooded

In aoe

[strange python]

thank you guys, makes a lot more sense now

[drowsy hatch]

It's terrible design really but oh well

[strange python]

so how does thistle tea work in single target

prob should use it as close to zero energy?

[amber brook]

use with shiv

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah either just macro to shiv or use it when you're low

[strange python]

i gotta show you guys something, 1 sec

[drowsy hatch]

I mean you're not like sabotaging your entire life if you accidentally go to 180

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6mV73AGcQLkhJdP4#fight=5&type=damage-done

im 629

other rogue right below me 608

dude was a being a turd about it, idk definitely didnt do my rotation perfectly but shit i do agree with him that we shouldnt be this close in damage

i can see he got more envenom casts off

compared to me

[sullen dust]

Am I spamming things too much?

I get energy starved in ST both in raids and M+ boss

[subtle tundra]

bad opener

wtf

[coral ibex]

you did like almost 400k less than me at 629

from yesterday

so something is surely wrong

[drowsy hatch]

If you're getting energy starved in raid youre mashing real hard

[subtle tundra]

you didnt have rupture up and you go envenom first

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[subtle tundra]

thats so wrong

[coral ibex]

kinda looks like you were just yoloing

[subtle tundra]

also your shiv?

[twin bay]

back to the drawing board^^

[strange python]

me? i wasnt exactly trying, im over geared and couldnt get loot lol im telling you, is that the difference you think tho?

[subtle tundra]

where is the shiv

[subtle tundra]

yes buddy

youre playing wrong

ofc thats the difference

[sullen dust]

raid logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MqCHXwmpQfGAFYPg#fight=45&type=damage-done

m+ log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NznYCZ4tJaXVd3M7#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=2

[coral ibex]

ahh the classic

[silent skiff]

Hi, should i do Envenon at 5+ combo points or only at max?
i.e. i fan of knives and get 6 combo points, with spatter up. Do i fan again to get the last combo opur just unleash envoenom then

[coral ibex]

“i wasn’t trying”

[subtle tundra]

you werent trying the basics?

[strange python]

bro at 630 what do you need from heroic

[drowsy hatch]

5+ cp without darkest night, 7 cp with darkest night

[subtle tundra]

its the kb sequence

[coral ibex]

why are you asking for tips when you don’t care

[subtle tundra]

you messed up

[silent skiff]

THANKS

[coral ibex]

you played poorly

and it reflects in your damage

[strange python]

ok ok ill do another run and ill follow the cd rotation

[twin bay]

bro you misplaying the very basics of the specc and act like its not a big deal xdd

[coral ibex]

the guy with 20 less ilvl almost beat you

wild

[strange python]

yall it was just a cd, im still keeping my dots up and shit

[subtle tundra]

"just"

buddy

[drowsy hatch]

I mean I get chilling and not focusing

[coral ibex]

ok bro

[runic hinge]

We’re a burst spec. Your cds are your damage lol

[twin bay]

maybe rogue isnt the right class for you

[drowsy hatch]

But dont be surprised when youre parsing bad haha

[subtle tundra]

you dont just smash the cd

there's a bit of thought

[strange python]

im not surprised shit lol im getting RAILED over here, but hey, this is good, i NEED this

[coral ibex]

that 609 rogue looking at you like why does this donkey have gear and not me, he doesn’t even know the spec

[strange python]

thats fair

[twin bay]

thats like a firemage casting frostbolt and acting like yeah idk i didnt try

😄

its not about the mistakes you did why you getting railed

[amber brook]

Is there any way to avoid parries or it just happens

[coral ibex]

be behind the boss

as completely as you can

[strange python]

is that still a thing?

[spice spire]

Ye

[drowsy hatch]

yes parry is thematic

[strange python]

ah, nothing you can do for misses right?

[twin bay]

im so immersed when getting parryd

[cerulean tundra]

When I am skilled for raid St do I try to hold up 2 stacks of envenom "the whole fight" or do I need that only during my CD´s? Cause when I try to hold it up the whole time I am pretty starved with energy and can´t hold long envenom chains

[toxic yarrow]

You should never be typing things like this m8

[drowsy hatch]

You won't be able to keep 100% uptime on both

Even in raid ST

[amber brook]

Figures

[drowsy hatch]

Focus on having both up during windows, and always keep 1 up otherwise

[cerulean tundra]

thanks a lot

[drowsy hatch]

at least 1*

[spice spire]

Maybe you can’t but I’m different

[drowsy hatch]

Not bad to have 2

[twin bay]

considering the whole conversation i think its a fair statement. maybe i shouldnt post it as a single message so the context might get lost i can agree on that

[drowsy hatch]

Just if you're dropping low before a window chill out a little

[cerulean tundra]

yeah I understood it like that thanks for clarifying for me

[cerulean tundra]

to go with much energy in my cds I understand thanks a lot

[spice spire]

This is too reasonable of a response, where’s the drama where’s the anger?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah we're a pretty bursty class so its more important there

[twin bay]

hahaha

[spice spire]

Not even hitting filter smh

[drowsy hatch]

No filter, no horny, no feet

Why even post

[spice spire]

Dog are you good

[drowsy hatch]

I'm never good sadly

[spice spire]

I genuinely hate to hear that big dog

Sorry homie

[pine dew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[silent drift]

Just saw the updated m+ talents on wowhead, we run subterfuge now?

[drowsy hatch]

Yes subterfuge has been brokie since patch

since MA is rad now

[silent drift]

oh bet, how do i use my charges then lol

just whenever?

[drowsy hatch]

mostly for aoe

in st use it for the last 12s of kb

to have fat crits

can prob do both of those in aoe ofc

[silent drift]

just use it after the initial MA buff drops?

[drowsy hatch]

Pretty much yeah

very important to wait for it to drop off actually

since it's bugged that if you clip it it wont give duration

but since half of it is reapplying bleeds you should have plenty of time before youre considering vanishing

[silent drift]

mhhh, i don't do high enough keys for ads to live long enough to reapply bleeds lol

[drowsy hatch]

then itll mostly be for KB

[silent drift]

bet

[drowsy hatch]

and imp gar ofc

[silent drift]

yeah, i only do 10s, so i don't usually reapply bleeds unless it's a boss

shit dies too fast

nerf enhc

[spice spire]

Buff ele

You’re right

[primal oasis]

What talents from wowhead should I be using for low m+? (Just started gearing my rogue). I'm currently using the bleed build which is stated to be for low content but I'm not sure when I'm supposed to be swapping over to the standard hybrid m+ build

[spice spire]

Whenever your single target starts mattering

It’s worth swapping

[scarlet wyvern]

Iron Wire nerf feels shit tbh

really shit

[spice spire]

The what nerf

[drowsy hatch]

the 1 sec?

[scarlet wyvern]

the 2 sec in total

[desert vault]

with Subterfuge nothing much changes in the opener on trash right? just gar > rup > rup > gar > gar > CT basically?

[spice spire]

[drowsy hatch]

yeah subt doesnt change it

[amber brook]

is there any way to avoid darkest night whenever I have deathstalker mark up on the target?

[dusty crescent]

: O i don't open ambush anymore?

[errant mauve]

How often are we popping shiv with supercharger talent? Just holding for kingsbane? Or burn it on cd and it aligns up with kingsbane again every minute with 2 charges

[drowsy hatch]

no no open ambush still

im just assuming that was skipped

[spice spire]

Just max cp envenom

[dusty crescent]

oh

[spice spire]

I guess

[dusty crescent]

i was so confused

[drowsy hatch]

since like most of the time in m+

youre going in with darkest night anyways

[pure moth]

with KB

[raw zephyr]

It feels like we had one week of grace where bugs were somewhat fixed and gameplay felt gud again, now it just feels like blizz is trolling

[primal oasis]

When would that be? Like around +7 or something?

[wispy marsh]

Hello friend, how's the morning going?

[amber brook]

So I just have to deal with 4 stacks in a sense?

[primal oasis]

Guess I'll notice when bosses start taking too long

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s kinda contextual.
7s aren’t even that for me. But if full groupnis 600 on tyran then yeah hybrid probably better

[pure moth]

theres only 1 build on wowhead for m+. am i missing something?

[limber lion]

I love

[spice spire]

GM. It’s a great day and I got 9 hours, I’m ready to do a quick workout and make lunch then game

[drowsy hatch]

theres a few under alternate builds

[limber lion]

I love how @spice spire and me both retired

[limber lion]

And now he's got the power to still make threads

and I'm in the pins

It's like we never left

:-)

[spice spire]

The more things change the more they stay the same

Now we’re mega casual (I was always casual) and washed

[limber lion]

it's true

[primal oasis]

Oh God I'm stupid, I wasn't even running the "bleed" build under alternate builds. I was just running the delves / open world build

[pure moth]

ah; didnt even see that. thanks

[errant mauve]

Ok follow up question. I have MA but supercharger over subt. In opener ambush garrote rupture dm shiv kings bane tea… now that right there is all 6 seconds of MA so do I vanish envenom to try to get my super charged points cast during MA?

[spice spire]

Doesn’t make you stupid.
Mistakes happen. Stupidity is not recognizing mistakes and never changing.

[dapper cradle]

new freddie gibbs and westside gunn go so hard

[spice spire]

Good job homie

[wispy marsh]

I'd honestly just play the hybrid build, get used to it. Might as well, when you improve as a player and rogue then play the alternate builds depending on how you're feeling, group comp, etc.

[drowsy hatch]

The MA damage matters far more for KB than it does for the slightly stronger envenom

[errant mauve]

Also running 2 points in supercharger so it seems like I’ll only ever be able to get 2 supercharged out in an MA window

[peak frigate]

yo, can someone help me with assa rogue aoe? So basically i want to reach 2,5k io , atm 2,2k and I seem to be struggling with aoe, I feel like other classes do more and I thought that it is just tuning, but then I met a rogue with like 10 ivl lower gear and he outdpsed me , I noticed that the biggest difference was caustic spatter, can someone describe me assa aoe in few words?

So ur in stealth, u apply garrote and rupture aoe all around, fan of knives into tempest. So far it is clear, but what do i do next? I understand now that i need to mutilate someone and keep up the caustic spatter, but do i just keep on blasting ST or do i keep up caustic and rest of the time fan of knives into tempest all the time?

[primal oasis]

I just assumed the bleed build would allow me to do more dmg in low keys where stuff dies instantly. But if the difference isn't too big I guess starting to learn the hybrid build wouldn't be too bad

[wispy marsh]

Friend and I had a discussion on this after telling this dps how to do the mechanic 15 times and them still messing up. It doesn't make you a bad player to mess up, mistakes happen. In my opinion what makes people bad players is consistently messing up the same mechanic and not accepting help to improve when it's offered.

[errant mauve]

So saving vanish for last 6 seconds of KB and fitting in supercharged envenoms around it

[wispy marsh]

That's why I always tell my wife she's a good player, she listens and actively improves even though she's not the best at the game

[drowsy hatch]

Not analyzing too much, the last sentence is probably your problem. If CT is already running, then you should be using envenom on your caustic spatter target in aoe

Spamming ct does nothing

[wispy marsh]

Start playing alternate builds when you know why to play them. At that level keys are pretty free if you know what you're doing. Just keep practicing and improving! Have fun 🙂

[peak frigate]

so basically rupture, garrote , tempest uptime , rest is ST focus with envenom in caustic target

[drowsy hatch]

Pretty much. And keeping track of your mark of course

You still fok as a builder in aoe, just envenoms with spatter is most of your damage

[twin bay]

for spatter you need to mutilate/ambush once in a while

[wispy marsh]

Something else (and idk if it's too much of a difference) try to get caustic on target before your big empowered FoK

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah... definitely make sure it's up lol

[twin bay]

you can do a super quick and ez spatter weakaura via the template function in weakauras. takes 2 clicks and you will never forget

[wispy marsh]

I go amb, gar, rup, rup, gar, gar, ct, mut, fok usually

[peak frigate]

i have a weakaura for garrote, rupture and caustic to track em

so yeah, now it makes sense, thanks guys

[wispy marsh]

Soon I will enh masterclass

[graceful glade]

Hello, I'm very sorry if this question was asked before and I hope it isn't spammy at all, I just had 2 quick question about assassination in m+ and I hope t this is the proper questions channel.

1. Is it normally a bit of a struggle to deal with chain pulls? When I have vanish I use it to reapply garrotes, but otherwise I feels very limited and crippled.. sometimes my Rupture targets are also dead and the new pack has no ruptures. Am I supposed to manually reapply rupture in 5 targets or do I just take the L and deal less damage?

2. In boss fights, I find myself HEAVILY low on energy, is that normal?

[wispy marsh]

jk, I'll probably roll Hunter as next alt

[drowsy hatch]

1. Sort of, chain pulling isnt that bad for our actual dps, and yes you should set up a few ruptures (doesnt need to be 5). Most of your damage is coming from CT, spatter, and envenom so that isn't impacted by chain pulling much

2. yes

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[twin bay]

to the first point. yiu are kinda at the merci of your tank there. either he chains when dots are still running or he waits for stealth. if he doesnt you are kinda fucked and gotta start reapplying manually while he gathers the pack

not great but it is what it is

sometimes a running breath of sindragosa or the tanks defensives are more important

[limber lion]

1. There are ways to still get a restealth off if the tank pulls very late, as long as you just disengage and wait in the back without engaging the new pack. But that doesn't work if the mob is too high hp when he chains. Yes manually setup a few ruptures/garrotes for energy, otherwise just slam one big target with cds if you have em. If you don't, then just multidot up to 5 Ruptures.

2. It's fine, but there are ways to lessen the energy starvation like playing TTK + Dashing Scoundrel. You shouldn't be running super duper dry, but you're not exactly gcd capped either and that's fine and by design.

[zealous crag]

Hello guys ! Do we put the crafted weapon on the left hand or the right hand ? There is an incidence ?

[drowsy hatch]

Main hand should be your best weapon always. OH is the poop

[spice spire]

Chain pulls are a funny one.’ There are many things you can do to avoid the restealth problem there was a situation where tank was pulling one mob into a new pack as it was dying and I literally sprinted backward to get to stealth and then stepped in

[valid pulsar]

Quick probably dumb question, should I be putting abilities like garrote and rupture in my stealth bar to be able to use them in stealth?

[spice spire]

Yes

[real granite]

was the main hand recraft to get free upgrade on the offhand fixed? or is it still possible?

[spice spire]

Garrote especially

[spice spire]

Bug abuse in this Christian chat?

[twin bay]

my stealth bar mirrors my non stealth bar with the exception of mutilate and ambush

[graceful glade]

So garrotes aren't actually as important to reapply for newer packs? I thought they accumulated a big portion of our damage in AOE

(in the case of a chain pull that is)

[drowsy hatch]

I mean apply them, but it's only really gonna be like 10% of your ovr dmg

[spice spire]

Empowered garrotes are.
Standard is kind of whatever

[valid pulsar]

Great thank you so much, and the ones you apply in stealth are the empowered versions correct?

[spice spire]

Correct

+6s after

[valid pulsar]

Right

Ty

[graceful glade]

That brings me up to another question then, is it worth using vanish outside of burst just to reapply improved garrotes on a chain-pulled pack?

[drowsy hatch]

Totally fine and good to vanish for aoe

[graceful glade]

I see, so if vanish isnt available my best option is to reapply rupture (if it's falling off) on max 5 targets and choose a main target for spatter, correct?

(sorry if im repeating my questions LOL)

[vast tangle]

How many targets do you need to have to make crimson tempest worth it?

[drowsy hatch]

2+

[drowsy hatch]

Pretty much yeah. It can be awkward and slow, rolling into spatters with CT running and a few ruptures up is the gameplan

[graceful glade]

Alright thank you so much

It DID feel very awkward, and an assassination rogue friend told me it plays fine and I was confused

[real granite]

if its not fixed after 2 months its pretty much allowed basically

[spice spire]

(I don’t actually care)

[graceful glade]

oh im sorry another question, we use vanish within our opener burst, but in the future of next bursts we use it before deathmark correct?

[drowsy hatch]

It mattered a lot less before. Subt makes it more valuable now to try and stealth

[spice spire]

I’m just not sure didn’t use it

[spice spire]

No

Last 6/9/12s of kb pending subterfuge taken

For the MA crit

[real granite]

i literally waited before abusing it till now, where its the last piece i have to upgrade XD

i have rights at this point

[wispy epoch]

If you kill the single mob before it gets pulled into the group (rip spatter), dhadowmeld can also instant stealth you with a macro

[waxen oyster]

If your tank chains one low hp mob into a new pack

[wispy epoch]

If dots are rolling though into a pack shadowmeld won’t always give you a chance to stealth or it’ll be milliseconds

[waxen oyster]

you just flame

[graceful glade]

so it is gonna always be WITHIN deathmark and not before it, I see. Thank you!

[drowsy hatch]

well you want it to be the end of kb

since kb ramps

so you want to crit when its fattest

[spice spire]

Too slow lady

[wispy epoch]

I forgot

Does death mark increase spatter?

Or just KB

[drowsy hatch]

spatter is only nature dmg

[graceful glade]

It's okay I still appreciate her alot!

[waxen oyster]

i think in the context of mid pull

you still vanish for emp garrote to deathmark?

[drowsy hatch]

kinda depends on timers

since you might have imp gar running from opener still

without doing any math or numbers I just feel its more valuable to base it on kb

[wispy epoch]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

talking more 2mins

[unique quest]

Hey! Wich are the best RAID talents for assa?

[drowsy hatch]

that's prob better then

[wispy epoch]

Is there a rogue podcast

Why do some people have a podcast role…..

[waxen oyster]

dupes your amp poison

[drowsy hatch]

probably referring to whispyr's podcast

[waxen oyster]

which consumes more=bigger envs

[wispy epoch]

Ooooh

[wispy epoch]

Oooh

[craggy oak]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856136418170896404

[dusty crescent]

i swear only on mists does my caustic do like 5th most dmg

everywhere else caustic is my num 1

[twin bay]

gotta find out where it drops because its not a dungeon issue

[ebon notch]

if im only running 3 poisons is there another talent point that becomes more valuable than DTB?

[twin bay]

you want that mainly for the two lethal poisons

[ebon notch]

ye true

[twin bay]

not using crippling is whatever

[visual sun]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[regal whale]

Guys I'm stucked whit a 554 neck, can't find anythi g to wear...suggestions pls?

[twin bay]

get one crafted

getting the "kill quenn ansurek" quest gives a enchanted crest for a 619 craft

619 neck with bis stats last for a good while

[regal whale]

Used it for the dagger, may can craft the 606 version

[twin bay]

yeah that also works

[soft scaffold]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

no renown

?

[floral fractal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

you can get free enchanted runed crests if you have renown

[twin bay]

how high does the renown have to be? never bothered with rep

[waxen oyster]

24/25

[floral fractal]

45 runed crests aint hard to get

[twin bay]

yeah yikes i aint gonna get that 😄

[floral fractal]

fuck all that question shit, still havent finished the campaign

[waxen oyster]

fresh alts though

i have ringing deeps and severed threads at 25

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah I have all mine over 20

I like campaigns

[floral fractal]

alts for sure, i still think getting high enough in the delve whatever is good enough to get you into heroics

then just go from there

[twin bay]

i bother my guild mates every tuesday with new alts they can carry their weekly 10s they slacked all week on

[regal whale]

Same, mine are in 12/16 range

[waxen oyster]

i havent done keys on alts

all season

[heavy nebula]

Man.. aoe as assassin.. just not clicking

Stealth—>ambush—>garrote—>rupture—>crimson—>multilate—>envenom—-build and spend on envenom/maintain stuff

[regal whale]

Plus a 2y baby don't left much time to play...

[orchid wind]

copied a build from RIO, what do we drop for taking IW ? sanguine blade ? ttk ?

[twin bay]

ambush-gar-rupture-rupture-gar-gar-crimson

[waxen oyster]

I need to do the hallowfall sidequests sometime

[heavy nebula]

Does that general flow make sense? I’m not entirely sure where to add into the rotation Kingsbane and deathsmark

[drowsy hatch]

sanguine. Only creatures or very coordinated groups drop iw

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[heavy nebula]

On the same target? To apply all over?

[twin bay]

you can be lazy and do it on the same mob yes

[unique quest]

Is there a video or someone who may explain me briefly how to do dps on a raid?

[orchid wind]

how much loss is it for droppin it, any ideas ?

[drowsy hatch]

not enough to justify losing one of the best cc abilities in the game

[waxen oyster]

garrote everything during IC

drop bonespike if gigachad

[twin bay]

huh

thats not what you tell a new assa rogue to do kekw

[heavy nebula]

At what point are you then dropping deathsmark and kingsbane?

[twin bay]

stick to the basics until they click

[waxen oyster]

after

[drowsy hatch]

think he was referring to the other guy with that

[twin bay]

after that you can switch up stuff to fit your needs

[waxen oyster]

idk to me bonespike isnt a basic

but i’ve also played assa before bonespike passive

[twin bay]

bonespike is the most newcomer friendly talent besides carnage

[heavy nebula]

At +4/+5 keys.. It also seems like things die way too fast for anything act.

[drowsy hatch]

Yes we're worse in lower keys

[waxen oyster]

idk i havent played a key under 8

in over a month

[heavy nebula]

😂😂

[drowsy hatch]

0 set up classes like ret are just gonna boom you sadly

in a 4

[waxen oyster]

i played outlaw early season

though

[heavy nebula]

Is what I have learned haha

But okay, thanks for help.

[drowsy hatch]

The real tech is to glaze them up

get them to go into 10s later with you

then blast their asses

[heavy nebula]

I mean, for most single target situations, it’s generally a different picture.

[drowsy hatch]

Ok well that's not gonna get better haha

[pure moth]

^^ this lol

[twin bay]

in low keys you want to keep your opener short anyway so stick to what the guide is telling you. doesnt makes sense to dot all the mobs up if they die before your cds are running anyway

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean 10s you get

2 garrotes 2 ruptures per pack

before you start blasting

[twin bay]

exactly

[waxen oyster]

running with a 633 dh

tends to force you to hurry up

[heavy nebula]

Very helpful friends. Thank you

[fluid dagger]

meanwhile, warriors pressing bladestorm

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[twin bay]

they got shafted enough

[fluid dagger]

havent read the notes for them. gotta be

my fav ability ahah turn into garen

[drowsy hatch]

bladestorm still bladestorms, but yeah wars are hurting

[spice spire]

Garen players

[fluid dagger]

DEMACIA! xD

[spice spire]

[soft shale]

arms bladestorm is still kinda fine

fury got nuked tho

[orchid wind]

when do we want to vanish if i'm playing MA build ? at the nearly end of KB / DM window ?

[spice spire]

Last 6/9/12s of kb depending on subterfuge talented

[orchid wind]

and if i'm using it like on st, should i send at start right ? to apply Imp garrote

or the last seconds of kb during shiv matters more ?

[quasi stump]

you can say that again

arms warrior is really fun I love the slayer tree

[slate crown]

Last seconds of it

[quasi stump]

same with fury thane

[stray adder]

how longs does it take to grind the fangs of the father

i want the mog

[dry dagger]

If we're chain pulling and I'm not able to stealth and don't have Vanish, do I prio getting Rupture on 5 targets before anything else?

[twin bay]

in a perfect world you have them still rolling on the old mobs

[dry dagger]

Well we're not living in a perfect world, are we?

Let's say we're dragging 1-2 mobs at around 20% hp with us

[drowsy hatch]

then you report your tank and go next

[twin bay]

start with ct and apply them one by one yeah

[dry dagger]

CT?

[twin bay]

crimson temptest

[drowsy hatch]

CTs nuts

[dry dagger]

Ahh cool

So CT first to get energy refund rolling, then Rupture, got ya

[twin bay]

no just for the dmg

[dry dagger]

Oh

Ok

[twin bay]

you should mousover your ruptures aswell so you have a easier time keeping up caustic spatter

[ornate harbor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[twin bay]

tabbing every mob will result in even more dmg loss

or can result i should say

[dry dagger]

I'll try it out

[ornate harbor]

!addons

🙂

[drowsy hatch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drowsy hatch]

theyre in there

[merry bison]

He got the sms

[random sandal]

how supercharger works im confused , before we use echoing rep and every 3rd 4th 5th combo works as full combo point

how it works now

[desert cove]

Any spender is +2 cp to the effect

That’s it

[random sandal]

for few seconds ?

[drowsy hatch]

Toy our next spender

[desert cove]

One spender

[random sandal]

so mainly aim for 3 combo points spam ?

[drowsy hatch]

No, don't factor it in at all

Just let it passively do more damage

[random sandal]

and still old KB use shiv after?

[desert cove]

Yeah like the only time you should even think about it is if you’re trying to tap your dn proc

[drowsy hatch]

No rotational changes, yes.

[random sandal]

playing 1 shiv

so no rotation ch anges in 11.05

[drowsy hatch]

The only pseudo change is vanish if using MA

Which you also use in KB

Otherwise it's the same

[slate crown]

gm assa

[wispy marsh]

gm

[drowsy hatch]

mornin

[random sandal]

@drowsy hatch what is
MA

[normal mist]

master assassin

[royal python]

Does caustic spatter get redirected back via singular focus

[uneven summit]

saw this one to haha

[coral ibex]

was doing a 9 db with some guildies to gear someone's alt and the healer was having way more issue than a 622 hpal should

didn't notice until we finished that he was in 604 pvp gear

[proven belfry]

anyone tried using brd dagger?

[drowsy hatch]

es bad

[proven belfry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pAs7RRE1BKumr5NLBGtZkG yeah

everything sims shit

[wispy marsh]

I had a hero dagger from BT (Shard of Azzinoth) and the secondaries on current stuff made it look like a wimp.

[sturdy mesa]

es good

what's es?

[drowsy hatch]

es = its

[quick hollow]

Hello everyone,
I'm trying to learn assassination rogue in TWW. I'm not good with it yet and I'm trying to learn more and more about the spec.
M+ is going decent, however when I'm raiding I have some issues with my rogue.

For example in this log:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m6bCVQGcHzWgJrRB#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=10

The other rogue in the raid is almost doing double as much damage with Envenom. My uptime with Envenom was 75% so not perfect. His uptime was 95%.
Would that 20% difference be the reason for such a huge damage gap?
I'm fairly certain I'm doing something else wrong as well

[sturdy mesa]

Based

[drowsy hatch]

Just a quick off the bat, you're using the old ST build, he's using the new one

[fallen arch]

Also you wasted a lot of cp by overcapping

[quick hollow]

Oh it got updated good to know.

[spice spire]

Based on what

[slate crown]

eez sutz

[spice spire]

Nice

[sturdy mesa]

yes

[spice spire]

Nice

[lavish geyser]

do you wanna use tea manually? so we control when we get the mastery buff?

[subtle tundra]

bro ele did 3.17mil in 14 nw
it got nerfed TWICE

?!?

[rotund oak]

didnt they revert the nerf?

[subtle tundra]

not fully

still a big nerf

[rotund oak]

well ye thye did like 40mil burst

[slate crown]

!shiv Ideally yes but like, you can just macro it if you want to and it's not the end of the world. Or you can just let it auto proc and not press it, it's not that big of a deal

Oh no

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[slate crown]

That's the one

[lavish geyser]

well i try to use shiv, then blast my cds, if that is correct som im assuming that will kinda makes sense, right? 🙂

[formal shore]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak tangle]

since when does whispyr endorse without a trace

😮

[subtle tundra]

since its a good talent

cause it costs 1 point

not 4

guess what, buffing talents changes stuff

[oak tangle]

please explain

what was buffed about it

and how is it only 1 point

are we just accepting double subterfuge as the better build?

[normal mist]

the change made it good

and we like good

[drowsy hatch]

Yes subterfuge is just better

[balmy condor]

Nothing to add

Just here

[lavish geyser]

when using shiv then, I am supposed to use it for kingsbane window?

[drowsy hatch]

Always

[lavish geyser]

idk if im doing it right, but I go shiv, then mark, then kingsbane

[slate crown]

Because before subterfuge and the preceeding point were literally worthless and did nothing. Now that subterfuge does something, getting wat also means getting the benefit from subterfuge so it's not just 4 points for the extra charge, it's 4 points for the extra charge AND subterfuge which is good now

[drowsy hatch]

Deathmark shiv kb tends to cover the window better

[lavish geyser]

ok good to know 🙂

[rotund oak]

that applies only if u are talented into a 2nd shiv charge

[lavish geyser]

im not

[drowsy hatch]

And yeah. Only with 2

If you have 1 always the last 8 sec of kb

[sage egret]

What is kb? Kingsblade?

[drowsy hatch]

Yes

Kingsbane

Rather

[lavish geyser]

ok, so I would wait for 6 sec, and then pop it?

[drowsy hatch]

If I'm remembering my numbers yes

But it's easier to base it off time remaining on kb

[lavish geyser]

yeye, is there a reason for that?

[drowsy hatch]

You want shiv to empower the latter part of kb since it grows

[oak tangle]

rather than waiting a time, you'd be better to look at time left

[rotund oak]

if u grab whispyr's WA pack shiv has embodied a condition in which it lights up when u have to press hiv

u can either copy that condition on ur wa or just use his pack

[lavish geyser]

I have a wa, but i might copy that condition

[rotund oak]

u also need some treatment

[rotund oak]

could perscribe 500mg ''f'@ck'em all and leave outlaw,its not worth it''

but u need to visit a certified sin doctor

[slate crown]

!wa If you want a more timeline oriented approach
https://media.wago.io/screenshots/8WWlvpYa9/669fcd694990ba3b8dfe399b.gif
Is inside of LE Collection

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

Glow on shiv is good too

[lavish geyser]

i stopped playing outlaw. having to be in stealth and maintain the capstone for fatebound was just soo annoying. it wasnt rly hard, but when pugging you sometimes just have to ninjapull with ttot to keep it going

[lavish geyser]

looks cool

[rotund oak]

common toxic gaming,be free

[lavish geyser]

think the glow might be it, I dont need alot of queues like that.

[dry dagger]

Downtime as Outlaw is also the fucking worst

And there are plenty of bosses with a lot of downtime

[lavish geyser]

dude its healer dmg

if you loose adr

its ggs

[dry dagger]

Some people manage to pump decently with it, I'm not one of them

Tried all of .0

I did pump when the bug was live tho

[lavish geyser]

well yeah I mean you can pump, I dont think its insanly hard tbh. its just frustrating you HAVE to be in stealth to maintain adr, idk it is just anoying

[robust jasper]

so how accurate is the ST sim? I was kinda feeling like I was doing bad ST as assa but my sim has me at 885k with 620ilvl so is it just that bad? lol

[lavish geyser]

but if I did that, wouldnt I waste tea? like it comes up every 30 sec. so Im assuming im gonna use it on cd, since it lines up with my big cds

[lavish geyser]

had the same thing XD

[robust jasper]

okay so assa just kinda beans on ST

[lavish geyser]

its not great

that is where you swap to op Sub ST

[robust jasper]

well cant really do that in m+

[lavish geyser]

depends

[slate crown]

Yes, I would probably not macro it for m+ when you have single shiv

[lavish geyser]

on which dungeon

[robust jasper]

mostly picking up assa to play in dawnbreaker cuz outlaw is in actual hell in that dungeon

[lavish geyser]

dude, the fact that you need to fly away is soo stupid XD. 0 skill just a waste of time

[robust jasper]

I have so much loathing for whoever made that dungeon

[lavish geyser]

and its sooo buggy

[robust jasper]

they definitely let one of hte raid devs make the bosses for the dungeons this season

[lavish geyser]

Would you then suggest I do it manually? use tea

[slate crown]

Sure

I use it manually

[lavish geyser]

like you use it for the deathmark, kb, and shiv combo?

[slate crown]

when I press the shiv button I check if I need energy

and if I do, and if I won't cap energy I press tea

If you're in M+ in aoe, you have bleeds spread, you almost certainly don't need energy

the macro can't tell that, so that's why I'd manually press it instead

[dapper fractal]

is it not possible to reapply for a key that was relisted?

like what is this

[plush iris]

do i run alchemical chaos flask with these stats?

or do i run mastery flask

[slate crown]

Alchemical chaos

[plush iris]

aight

[slate crown]

Don't look at your stats page

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[toxic yarrow]

cloak of shadows not removing this week affix void rift??

[coral ibex]

it does

[winter gale]

Is Notter's KB wa still good?

Or is there any wa for KB solely?

[slate crown]

The old notter's won't work, needs to be an updated version, there was an updated version floating around which works.

The idea behind Notter's WA works and would still be correct. A lot of the code work it does is unnecessary now because of the changes to the game, though

[toxic yarrow]

yeanh

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection has a couple KB specific auras (they don't do the damage number that Notter's does)

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[toxic yarrow]

ok so no pre cloak

[winter gale]

I found an update in custom code for it inside the wago.io comments of the wa itself

Copy pasted those and now vanish and all stuff works

[slate crown]

No problem with using that one then

[winter gale]

But as I did not play assa since s3 of DF I am not sure is this what his wa suggest correct

If you get me

For the numbers on the WA I do not care, it's more that I am used to it

[rotund oak]

What Lady Lisonna said

[slate crown]

If you want to know when to cast shiv and vanish

[winter gale]

If I pass this 'updated' Wa here, is anyone willing to dummy test it?

[slate crown]

LE collection has a timeline

[thick sail]

@hollow river those bastards at Comcast really did IP block me from raidbots. I just installed Opera and enabled the VPN and it works fine. Lmao

@hollow river

[hollow river]

that's crazy lol

[thick sail]

Guess I really was simming too much in Shadowlands lmao

Haven't simmed since they blocked me back then

[robust jasper]

I hope comcast burns to the ground

[slate crown]

An ISP blocked you from....raidbots?? huh?

[oak tangle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vestal wren]

i wonder how much more fotm players we get now

that assassiantion is all over mdi

[novel star]

prolly a lot

strap in !

[thick sail]

I haven't been able to Sim since Shadowlands on my home internet. The only way I could run a Sim was to use my phone, and use my mobile Verizon cellular internet (not my Comcast wifi). Doing this was much more tedious and much slower, so I stopped simming back in Shadowlands when my isp blocked raidbots.

Trickz suggested I try a vpn and told me Opera had one baked in. Voila, Sims work again, several years later

[slate crown]

it seems weird to me that comcast would block raidbots specifically

[cobalt sphinx]

a lot of internets block the WCL asset server for some reason

haven't had issues with raidbots though

[thick sail]

It's because I was running sims like a madman, and I paid for premium. I assume it's super traffic heavy

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think it is demanding of your internet

[toxic yarrow]

Our only deal with affix is 2min cloak?

[cobalt sphinx]

that's all on their end

[toxic yarrow]

feels bad

[slate crown]

Sims shouldn't be traffic heavy at all

runnign sims just opens a portal to the raidbots servers

[cobalt sphinx]

they just read it to you

[slate crown]

the raidbots servers do all the work then show you the results which is just like viewing any other webpage

[thick sail]

I have no idea why they blocked it then, but I definitely cannot run Sims with the vpn turned off, and everything else about my internet works perfectly

[slate crown]

Just seems weird to me that an ISP would block a particular website that (should not) present any legal problems and should also not present and bandwidth problems, unless there's some non-US law I'm not familiar with but you mentioned comcast and I think comcast is US only

[thick sail]

And the Sims USED to work

And they don't work on my fiancé's pc either, same network

[novel star]

healer affix

[slate crown]

I'm not enough of a network nerd to know more details on what exactly to troubleshoot, for sure a VPN makes sense that it solves it

[thick sail]

And they don't work on my phone if I'm connected to Comcast wifi

[slate crown]

It just seems really fishy that it would be due to the ISP

Either way

seems like the VPN is working for you now

[thick sail]

I just don't know what else would have done it, if it wasn't Comcast

But yes, yay vpn!

[slate crown]

I have no idea how or why this would be set up if you control your router but

there can be router level blocks to stuff

[keen spruce]

Never had that issue with comcast

[slate crown]

like you would know about those if you control your router

[keen spruce]

Curious

[thick sail]

The good news is, with my 614 item level rogue it says I should be simming single target at 1 million dps.

The bad news is, I thought it would be higher than that and that I was doing something really wrong

I'm guessing my terrible trinket is probably the issue

[keen spruce]

1m at 614 seems pretty normal

High even

[thick sail]

Yeah I def didn't block anything on my router

[keen spruce]

Clear cache and what not right?

Standard browser fuckery?

[thick sail]

Did all that

[keen spruce]

Alternative browser?

[thick sail]

Yeah, tried Microsoft edge (lol)

[keen spruce]

Hmmge

What was the message?

[limber lion]

I sim 1.2m at 615

[thick sail]

Uh, I just shut off my pc but I can circle back to this later after engagement photos are done

[spring stream]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

What is the error message/pop up/whatever when you try to sim or access tve website normally?

[oak tangle]

Inb4 raidbots banned his ip on their end cause he was doing gem socket sims like a madman

[pastel onyx]

anyone know how the nerubar finery catch up works

currently i have 2% buff and 12/32, with full cleared heroic, and seems to not get anythin from normal

halp

[oak tangle]

do you have finery on alts?

[spice spire]

^

[novel star]

^^

[pastel onyx]

nope

dont have alts

[spice spire]

Usually the issue is you looted on Alts

Wat

[novel star]

well gg

[pastel onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-where-why-how-gif-15808900

[oak tangle]

that's a ticket angle

[slate crown]

bugs?

[oak tangle]

whether they'll do anything

[slate crown]

in my blizzard game?

no way

[oak tangle]

or just send you some generic, "if you don't recieve an item wait a couple hours and check your mail"

[novel star]

try lfr

[radiant sorrel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pYQFyZNcuxda5VdSf1Geif
Time to switch to fatebound?

[spice spire]

1% diff

[radiant sorrel]

ITS HUGE

and wont be losing Deathstalker dot on some fights

[spice spire]

Why would you be losing marks

If the answer is multi target

Deathstalker zooms ahead immediately

Fatebound only ahead in st purely

[kind heron]

i'm getting pretty mixed up by the icy veins and wowhead m+ build recs, is it recommended to play subterfuge and without a trace now? and drop supercharger? Also no twist the knife?

or is everything so close it's personal preference

[keen spruce]

Play w/e

I think most people are being goons taking subterfuge

I watch yall play

You ain’t getting value out of the added utility

Ttk more single target if you want

It really doesn’t matter

They all pretty much do the same thing

[kind heron]

hm, ok

[somber sparrow]

would you cast mad queen's mandate during deathmark (before or after kingsbane?)

[novel star]

don’t do that

press mandate outside cds

[somber sparrow]

ok

i figured the 2 seconds cast time is not ideal to use during a cooldown window but wasn't sure

[novel star]

[crimson zephyr]

1.14m GB +10 intime 1 wipe/reset - I should be like 20% higher right?

[novel star]

m+ overall dps is fake news

[keen spruce]

Probably much higher but it really depends on pulls gear route comp

[novel star]

it’s 90% decided by the route and the skill of the tank

[keen spruce]

If bosses take a while your overall with crater

[novel star]

^

[keen spruce]

So if your other dps are bad at your overall might be worse

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-helpmann-true-feel-that-thats-true-morgan-freeman-true-gif-15273165990450333551

[crimson zephyr]

ok I see - with ST/raid it was so easy to spot my mistakes but with m+ it seems way more involved

thanks

[keen spruce]

I mean you can almost certainly be doing more

But it is hard to diagnose

Cuz it’s so flexible

[warm vortex]

:(

[ripe canyon]

Is there any in depth Assa Guide for ST Rotation?

[normal mist]

wowhead.com

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[ripe canyon]

Well thats not really in depth... 😄 I'm following the priorities but ST isnt rly working well

[warm vortex]

My dps could have been higher

bro

[subtle tundra]

13 huge

[normal mist]

whispyr on youtube

[warm vortex]

I think my dps breakdown is good?

maybe i need more splatter but idk

[slate crown]

They are in depth, not sure what more indepth you're looking for. As Royal said Whispyr (who writes the wowhead guide) also has a youtube channel but the goal is for the guides to be accurate and to answer questions you have

[steel ridge]

idk looks perfectly fine

[slate crown]

Do you have a specific question about the ST rotation not answered by the guide?

[gusty marten]

why did the recommendation abandon lethality for supercharger?

[slate crown]

Because lethality was previously double dipping an effect (a bug). That was fixed, thus reducing lethality's power

[warm vortex]

i mean

I checked logs and my dps would be 2nd place i thinkg?

at least i assume if im reading the board right

[subtle tundra]

You're not

That's dps out of combat

Details is in combat

[warm vortex]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

You'd be like 1.3mil

[warm vortex]

im dumb

Fair

idk if 1.7Mil is still good tho

Cause i feel like i could have done near 2 mil

i didn't get stealth for 1 pack, or chainpull rather

i know that

[distant plinth]

Then do 2m then?🤣

[warm vortex]

Ah yea havent thought of that

[subtle tundra]

Don't focus on things out of your control

That's not what you should look at when you try to improve

[warm vortex]

Yea yea true
I feel like i did good, personally
but ofc ther is always room to do bettter yknow?
My splatter uptime was good! Don't think i dropped it

and plus was only one who didn't die on first boss