assassination

[fallen arch]

until 11.1

[humble verge]

i made a frost dk

but like

man

maybe its time to reroll FOTM

shaman

i get no invits to +12s anyways

[fallen arch]

I timed 12a

But cant defeat a t8 delve

Sorry but that shit just pisses me the fuck off

[humble verge]

XD

[fallen arch]

Arent delves supposed to be fun enjoyable relaxed solo content?

[normal mist]

healer brann

thank me later

[blazing pumice]

wow is a mmorpg, all solo content sux

[fallen arch]

This tilts me way more than it should

[fallen arch]

I will never ever step into a delves ever again

But thanks for the tip

[drowsy hatch]

until they drop both our bis trinks next season

[lunar dragon]

Is transmitter good if we dont mind the minigame?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gentle rover]

!builds

[drowsy hatch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cerulean jackal]

does FB oversim or what, it siming more than DS. but no one playing on it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3NN4CoPraAaimrXY2hwFWu

[drowsy hatch]

FB is better exclusively on single target

But it's also not that much and people don't like weird rng stuff

[cerulean jackal]

yeah, ofc, but no one playing on it on solo bosses too xD

[drowsy hatch]

Mostly for part 2 of that

Whispyr was running it on kyveza prog but yeah it's just a stinky tree

[lavish geyser]

how much would consumes contribute to overall dmg?

[limber lion]

Not sure what that even means

[cobalt sphinx]

Consumables

[limber lion]

Ah

Quite a lot

[lavish geyser]

idk pretty sure its alot,

I just dont wanna waste gold on anything below 8. but at the same time I am also trying to see if im dealing good dmg

[coral ibex]

rank 2 tempered potions are very cheap

so are beledar's bounty for food buff

[valid pulsar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stray adder]

I GOT SKARDYN FUCK GB

[limber lion]

gz

[stray adder]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[fiery trench]

freedom!

get the ring now

[tropic rover]

Now I'm not saying it was me

but I'm not saying it wasn't

[heavy nebula]

What’s the aoe approach here? Target the strongest one of the pack and apply poisons.. pray they live long enough for to have some fun?

[west crown]

Apply bleeds but yeah

[gilded cloud]

was this frost mage really bad? 11 sv btw

[west crown]

Yeah

That’s terrible

[gilded cloud]

i feeel like thats low for a mage

[west crown]

Sub 1 mil on anything 10 and up is bad

[gilded cloud]

thats what i usually go by

even like 1.1 is kinda bad imo

[clever sapphire]

keep in mind this is warcraft logs, and that also calculates with dps outside of pulls (i hope im remembering this correctly)

so its gonna be lower than what details shows

but ya he still sucks

[gilded cloud]

yeah it was 1.06 on details

[vapid geode]

how many times are you guys pressing stoneform in 13s+ in 1 dung?

[clever sapphire]

0, me undead

[vale lantern]

also 0 void elf

[fiery trench]

depends on the dung

im not doing 13s but im trying to poison alot in ara, only really once in GB for 10% dr on first boss

to cleanse poison * in ara

[vapid geode]

i wanna go dwarf but i dont want to lose meld if im never pressing it really

meld is fun

[tall atlas]

its nice to drop combat

[vapid geode]

whenever it works yeah

[clever sapphire]

meld is a more "fun" racial than stone form

[silk imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

also only half of the top 10 assa rogues is dwarf, so its not needed imo

also you would have to be a dwarf, that means looking like a dwarf

and thats a 10% dps loss by itself

[vapid geode]

surprisngly im so tired of looking at nelf

[subtle cipher]

M+ resto shammy dominance is shover oO

[exotic parcel]

What embellishment do we want on daggers for M+?

[blazing pumice]

none

dawnthread on bracers/belt

[exotic parcel]

oki

[iron charm]

Anyone else have an issue trying to get the talent point under supercharger? I tried to upload a build off archon, and it wouldn't load the bottom talent node

[sullen steppe]

Can we cloak soak bombs 1st boss siege?

[blazing pumice]

the archon builds are still using ER

that build is correct but you are missing a point in lethality

[jagged wasp]

guys how should we manage Tea, like i feel like im running out of energy so much since auto activation of tea

[blazing pumice]

there's nothing to manage

[old halo]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[blazing pumice]

you run out of energy and it gets sucked up

[jagged wasp]

should we just hold everything to avoid getting under 30 energy?

[old halo]

envonens all day

[desert crest]

There is an optimization yes but it is not worth it to worry about

[clever sapphire]

nah, doing that is only like a 0.2% dps gain

its not even worth it

[desert crest]

it is too much of a hazzle u will probably end up losing dps if u try

[pastel talon]

Is 0 or little haste okay for sin?

[jagged wasp]

then should we press 2 tea during Deathmark/Kingsbane or only during shiv

[blazing pumice]

for m+ it's fine

[clever sapphire]

tea still during shiv only

[pastel talon]

Ty

[clever sapphire]

unless its autocast

but if you are casting it yourself, do it during shiv

[jagged wasp]

ok thanks thats the weird part of sin i struggle to manage

[clever sapphire]

eh energy is gonna run out

and you will have to sometimes just afk a bit

[umbral sigil]

am i not spattering enough?

[clever sapphire]

what key lvl was that?

[umbral sigil]

+4

[jagged wasp]

ye i accepted that but sometimes in ST i feel like im waiting for eternity

[umbral sigil]

im only 603

[vernal oyster]

yes

[clever sapphire]

also what happened that you did 200M to skarmorak

bu ye spatter should be higher usually, cant say how it looks like in a 4 tho

[subtle cipher]

if you are running with 625 ilvl ppl, its fine

if no, yeah not spattering enough

[umbral sigil]

two were 3k + io

they were shredding

i could barely use CDs on trash

[subtle cipher]

so it may be fine

[umbral sigil]

thats low or high lol

im brand new here

[vale lantern]

i could be mistaken but i believe whispyr updated you can drop the lethality points to grab all the way into forced inductions

[clever sapphire]

im like 90% sure that boss has 200M hp or so on a 4

so that would kinda mean you did the boss alone?

xD

[umbral sigil]

lmfao idk man the mage and hunter were sniping adds so i just stayed on boss

or its a bug on details

[clever sapphire]

or healer was just bad and boss got healed multiple times

so you guys just had to fight it for a long time

[umbral sigil]

also a possibility, it felt long

[clever sapphire]

i did a 3 mists where we fought 2nd boss for 6 minutes

i also did 170M dmg to the boss alone there

this weeks affix is hell in low keys

[umbral sigil]

so i guess my ST rotation is tight lol

[clever sapphire]

atleast you get to train your ST rotation on a boss fight true

[gray flower]

any resources about how to use the new M+ Master Assassin build?

[blazing pumice]

forced induction is 1% behind on dslice for me

[mossy sundial]

does popping the jump on queen with cloak prevent the ring from being on you?

[west crown]

Get in stealth pre pull like normal. Vanish last 12 seconds of KB on bosses ( timing depends on your points in subterfuge)

[gray flower]

thanks

[wind totem]

I have what might be a stupid question but with deathstalker's mark being a thing do we finish at 5+ CP or 6+? Essentially, do you mutilate at 5 cp?

[slate crown]

If mark is on the target you finish at 5+

if you're at 5, finish

If you have darkest night on you, you push to 7 no matter what

[wind totem]

Yeah darkest night is obvious. So how much have I been griefing myself for the past 2 months?

[slate crown]

are you pushing to 7 always?

[wind totem]

no

6+

[exotic parcel]

I'm asuming u can craft / wear 2 of these?

[slate crown]

I mean it's worse but you're probably not mega gimping yourself

[wind totem]

Are there any other edge cases where you change on how much you finish besides the deathstalker's mark and darkest night one?

I mean I get you can finish at 6 with Darkest Night if you have a supercharge CP

or whatever its called now

[slate crown]

No

there's no gameplay to the supercharge CP

just passively benefit

[wind totem]

Yeah I know but I noticed that I accidentally finished at 6 a few times while having darkest night and it works fine. I personally don't even track it.

[slate crown]

Yes, it does work to finish on 6 if you have supercharge CP

[strange python]

dungeonslice is working fine?

[slate crown]

should be

as fine as dslice can ever work

[hollow talon]

is there a way to sim diff gems for culminating gem properly, it keeps trying to stack 2 of the same gem into ring/neck

[quasi stump]

5 COT downgraded to a 4 COT

healer left after first boss

[slate crown]

There's a checkbox in the gem section to enforce using 4 types

[stray adder]

that was my GB to 1 skardyn ratio

[crude hinge]

i came here to ask a question

but i saw that screenshot

and i gotta say damn

do we just hit 5 cp finishers all the time 7 only for the deathmark talent

[slate crown]

ye, 5+

7 for darkest night

[bronze dune]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[serene solar]

Boy do I love this community ❤️

[plain hare]

is it normal to struggle and have a low dps on bosses single target with the m+ build ?

[serene solar]

I may or may not have had my worst key for random deaths. (6 of them) xD

Still did 1.76m overall and beat the other two dps... idk man. I was already feeling bad.... oops

[kindred imp]

Even though dawnthread vs asc are close (1% or w/e) , yet 80% of the rogues run asc. Is that just cause they have the stabber and had to go down that path? :?

[silent skiff]

1 sec left, you made it!

[merry cave]

Quick question

How does energy recover works with assa rogues? Tho that spec cause SERIOUS damage the energy regeneration seems kinda... Lacking

[serene solar]

Yeah I take those. I got res'd with like 30 secs left and sent everything into the boss with cloak/evasion up for uptime. Like I threw the key heavy but I also tried to make up for it. Idk man I KNEW I messed up a lot but jesus man.. give me a break

[spice surge]

Venomous wounds, the talent at the top of the tree

But yes in singletarget there are long periods of downtime

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[merry cave]

Well at least the thousands of dots make up the downtime

[old obsidian]

with the new talens for raid hero, MEGA THX WHISP"! turbo destroing bosses today jajajaja

[plain hare]

can you share it ?

[turbid sandal]

What the heck is going on with Deathstalker's Mark? It just won't apply to the target, ever. Relogging, re-speccing back and forth - nothign works. I know it's not a whole lot of dps, but it's just annoying that it seems to never apply

[slate crown]

huh?

Deathstalker's mark is a big component of damage

Like, ambushing a target doesn't apply it?

[red moat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[turbid sandal]

No, it doesn't seem to get applied

I'll just play fatebound for a while, it's weird

[spice surge]

Are you ambushing out of stealth

[kindred imp]

wdym it doenst get applied? :? u ambushing from stealth?

[spice surge]

Or have you like bound mutilate to that button

[turbid sandal]

Oh my god, I'm an idiot. I did have my keybind messing up ambush/mutilate. Ignore me!

[spice surge]

Glad i could help

[kindred imp]

😄 Now u can play deathmark and not go fatebound 😄

[plain hare]

in single target if envenom will fade but rupture will fade too what is the priority guys ?

[kindred imp]

Rupture

[silent skiff]

Hey can you elaborate abit on the Envenom Uptime

[turbid sandal]

lol indeed. Biggest brainfart I've had in a long while

[plain hare]

thanks

[kindred imp]

any comments on this? It must be cause of the stabber right? But if one has 636 wep already, dawnthread makes more sense since uptime is usually 80%+

[slate crown]

it's almost certainly because they crafted a weapon early because that's a good craft

it rly doesn't matter

[kindred imp]

ye fair. thx

[slate crown]

[trim junco]

Do we ever care about energy % for casting envenom - i.e. try to make sure you have x% of energy remaining before you envenom?

[kindred imp]

As long as you have enough to re-apply the bleeds if they are about to drop off, or you DONT want tea to be auto-consumed for some reason (maybe Cds all coming up and u want to line them up), I dont think it matters or should care.

[prisma sundial]

yeah you can usually send them

but if you dont want to use a tea ^ or something you can pool and just refresh the envenom to keep uptime

[hollow talon]

ty

[trim junco]

gotcha, so worst case scenario would be to never cast envenom below 10% energy (i.e. 30/300) since that would auto consume tea - thanks for this insight

[kindred imp]

yeah, but it all depends on situation too. For example if you know you are about to move away from the boss for X seconds or there is intermission coming in, envenom is about to drop anyway, so might a well consume the tea, get an extra envenom duration going and let tea recover during away from boss phase. But this is min maxing now 😄

[balmy condor]

that doesn't really make much sense even from a min max

why would you consume a tea right before an intermission

you would waste the tea

just wait till you're back on the boss

[prisma sundial]

whispyr did our wowhead ideas from a couple nights ago make it into the guide

[kindred imp]

I guess. So many parameters in the situation. What if after the boss you are swapping to an add (queen p1/p2 for example), extending envenom and having enough to drop bleeds on the add right after makes sense to use tea to me. Though yeah you could argue you can just consume the tea when ure on the add if ure missing energy. Semanitcs 😛

[balmy condor]

if after the boss you're swapping to an add you would want the tea charge for when you're swapping to the add

in no situation would you ever tea, then move off of your target

[balmy condor]

remind me what those were

[crude wraith]

4 runs

[prisma sundial]

a section on trickster assassination, using different acronyms for the spells like deathmark is now kingsbane

[balmy condor]

what

[prisma sundial]

nvm

[novel star]

what the fuck

[kindred imp]

super lucky

[crude wraith]

This littel alt rogue has been mega blessed.

[spice spire]

Bless

[kindred imp]

Im on 49 runs and still never even seen it drop ever for anyone 😦

[novel star]

its okay youll get a wue one soon

[ornate wharf]

Hey guys. Do we roll authority of the depths/radiant power or 2x radiant power?

[coral ibex]

power is better if you ever have to do aoe damage

[ornate wharf]

only a couple of fights in raid that are single target so i guess it's 95%+ of the time we're doing aoe xD

[dense ruin]

Hi I am running out of energy very fast in St what am I doing wrong?

[prisma sundial]

its normal

[dense ruin]

but there has to be a way to recover whoit taking a hit to the dps

[prisma sundial]

are you talking about raid ST? or in m+

[dense ruin]

m+

[prisma sundial]

its very normal in M+

just keep envenom up and pool is what ive been doing

[static glacier]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[static glacier]

^

[dense ruin]

well, I have been playing from an outlaw perspective so I am using every button very fast, is that rwrong?

[static glacier]

yes, outside of cds you play slowly on sin

[prisma sundial]

assassination is not button spammy like outlaw

[static glacier]

especially in m+ st

[dense ruin]

oh

[static glacier]

on aoe you can become gcd capped

with enough bleeds out

you normally send a finisher > immediately build up to 5+ combo points then wait

[dense ruin]

so the goal in St is just to make sure that envenom and the bleeds dont run out, outside of cds?

[novel star]

ya

[static glacier]

then when envenom is low or you're getting close to overcapping energy you press env

[static glacier]

yes exactly

one exception is darrkest night

you want to use it as fast as possible to minimise downtime without a mark (for hunt them down)

[dense ruin]

so Do I wan to use envenom as the buff runs out or after it has run out?

[prisma sundial]

as it runs out

you dont wanna lose any uptime

[dense ruin]

how important is it to put rutpure on all the enemies?

[prisma sundial]

you get more agility if you have rupture on more targets

its pretty important i would say

energy + extra overall damage

[dense ruin]

just asking cuz all the mobs usuall just die as I am setting up

so my garrotte becomis my highest dps

[prisma sundial]

that shouldnt happen on high keys

but it can happen on lower keys if you or others are over geared

[vocal cypress]

question; sims say Treacherous Transmitter Skardyn's Grace for me over ara-kara sacbrood or dead-eye spyglass, is this just because of my current stat weights or is it technically better but we run the other 2 for consistency kinda thing?

[old obsidian]

wow head whisp guide brother

https://www.wowhead.com/es/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

[balmy condor]

can happen for some people, generally due to having lower ilvl trinkets or not a lot of mastery/haste

[robust jasper]

in the guide it says to use mut instead of garrote if not talented into shrouded suff and then go to cooldown sequence but that would tell us to do the cooldown sequence without even having garrote active on the opener is that right?

[balmy condor]

that is not correct no

you always ambush -> gar

then you pick a path

[weary river]

Hi guys, I'm starting to do very high level keys and noticed assa rogues opt for Anubkihaj crystal instead of spyglass/sacbrood. Simming gives equivalent dps output, is there something i miss ?

[balmy condor]

crystal has higher uptime than spyglass and a lot of people don't really get how spyglass works

[robust jasper]

yeah thats what I figured

guide has this though

[balmy condor]

it does

that's correct

[stray adder]

yeah thats pretty clear

[balmy condor]

you ambush

you gar

then you pick a path

it's exactly what I said

if that doesn't make sense

what GCD is this mutilate on

[vernal shadow]

What would you know

[balmy condor]

the second? or the third?

[blazing pumice]

you won't get to enough cps to rupture without SS

[balmy condor]

it's the third

[blazing pumice]

if that is where you are confused

[balmy condor]

so you would ambush gar mut

yeh

without shrouded you wouldn't get to 5

so you have to mut

[vocal cypress]

what sorta mastery/haste r we looking for? i thought my gear was starting to get towards BIS but obvs my stats arnt that crash hot yet

[balmy condor]

we aren't looking for anything

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[vocal cypress]

so just be a good boy and follow sims 👼

[balmy condor]

yes

and don't follow bis

[vocal cypress]

sits**barks

[robust jasper]

aaaaah I thought it implied to mut instead of garrote

gotcha makes sense

[keen spruce]

here

[spice spire]

dog you good?

[spice spire]

yeah I had this confusion a week ago too

[keen spruce]

for people that don't understand arrows

[spice spire]

I definitely see how it can be confusion

[balmy condor]

yeah thanks dipshit I actually never thought of this

[stray adder]

quake I did it

[balmy condor]

if only

the fucking tool

[keen spruce]

not for u

[balmy condor]

let me do that

[keen spruce]

ik

[spice spire]

I mean

[balmy condor]

wouldn't that be cool

[keen spruce]

i mean for the people asking

[spice spire]

man is not a fan of that tool

also proud of u @stray adder

[balmy condor]

god bless rotation tool

[stray adder]

yeah god bless hekili

[balmy condor]

haven't felt the need to throw my fist through my monitor since the last rotation tool

now instead of dogshit list togglers

I got halfbaked timelines

incredible

[vocal cypress]

yes absolutely

except for the part where theres a bis list and i dont follow it 😂

gonna have to pay for that raidbot sim again and sim very piece 😂

[balmy condor]

you don't even need to do that

I mean just use a bit of brain

[keen spruce]

i can fix her

[balmy condor]

if it's higher item level/myth track

probably good

if you already have myth track and the item is 432178953498725978345987543 versatility and 3 crit

probably bad

everything else is pretty much whatever

[blazing tulip]

So... supercharger+forced induction is coming much ahead of lethatlity or are with good with whatever?

[balmy condor]

they're very close

whichever you prefer tbh

[jolly heath]

Do any new racial update beat dwarf in term of dps?

[balmy condor]

human, mag'har, draenei, dark iron, mechagnome, orc

before the update

[jolly heath]

[dense ruin]

whats the purpose of vanish? another round of bleeds?

[balmy condor]

yep

[dense ruin]

so I dont have to time it for something?

[oak tangle]

its the button next to stealth that i often hit in town when i try enter stealth

[balmy condor]

should try to have it for deathmark in single target

[dense ruin]

why?

[oak tangle]

Master of assassin

[balmy condor]

improved garrote getting doubled is generally better than it not getting doubled

[digital spindle]

mark duplicates bleeds, and stealtehd garrote is 50% more damage

[robust jasper]

but you were able to do it here

is the tool just really troll about when it works and when it doesnt

[waxen oyster]

unless you have 639 in every slot it's not bis

[balmy condor]

I can go up but not down

[robust jasper]

aaah

[balmy condor]

I also can't make them the same size

on the up

up is basically just like off-gcd stuff

not full branches

[waxen oyster]

where is the

[balmy condor]

so like I also wouldn't be able to do 2 gcds

[waxen oyster]

kb gets parried hit alt f4

on that graphic

[runic hinge]

I would prefer to be garroted irl

[robust jasper]

also I might have asked this before but in the m+ build youre shivving at the end of kingsbane not the start right?

or 8s before the end rather

[balmy condor]

yes

[still stone]

14 siege timed pog

[echo heath]

sir, a 99th percent has hit my logs, first one ever on mythic devourer

[median igloo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[potent lintel]

Whats the name of that website that analyzes your log including uptimes etc

[spice spire]

wowanalyzer

however

it's not for us rn

[vale lantern]

Ah I thought it for for st

[long steeple]

do i only mutilate the maintarget for caustic spatter or do i spread it on all targets

[blazing pumice]

it only hits one target

you can't spread

[long steeple]

ah ok

thank you

im stupid it even says limit 1 haha

sry

[slate crown]

you're not the first

[bronze horizon]

If caustic spatter could apply to more than 1 target, would it not just infinitely keep bouncing the damage at half damage, forever?

[balmy condor]

well it would trend to 0 very quickly

[bronze horizon]

correct

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[bronze horizon]

I wonder how the game would handle that performance wise.

It would have to crash right?

[balmy condor]

nah

would probably lag a bit though

[bronze horizon]

"a bit" I just imagine applying like 5 caustic spatters in aoe, pressing envenom once and just watching fps tank to like 5

[viscid light]

Is without a trace good now? I see it as a recommended build in wowhead

[novel star]

its good because the talents u path thru to get it that used to be dogshit are now good

and lethality is nerfed

[balmy condor]

no I recommended it because I thought it would be funny to bait people actually

the guide is written to troll people

[novel star]

1/2 lethality or 2x vanish are both fine afaik

[balmy condor]

you passed the test

[waxen oyster]

It's just less int to take now

people who say it feels "much" better are coping so hard

[viscid light]

Nice lol gonna try it tomorrow, thanks

[novel star]

i took double vanish and felt no difference at all

except that i had two vanishes

it was fun like once

cause of a jumpscare shitty chain pull

other than that its just there idk

[bronze horizon]

depending on the key/group it's sometimes hard to find where to fit the 2nd vanish charge. Sometimes just have to send it, or use it for the big pulls to keep things iron wired for the group

[rotund oak]

u just send to refresh pandemic

imagine holding anything in keys

[bronze horizon]

WAT suffers from key too low + other blasters in group

but yes, you should just send it

[dense ruin]

whats wat?

[rotund oak]

yeah true,low keys or even 10s now are whatever with proper gamers

[rotund oak]

without a trace

[bronze horizon]

Without A Trace

[dense ruin]

ok

[waxen oyster]

Do a 10 key with all dps above 630

watch entire instance get erased

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much

[bronze horizon]

or, alternatively, play with an ele shaman

and watch them kill the pack with a cd before you're even done setting up

[waxen oyster]

Thing is

with lower geared eles

higher chance of fotm bads

[rotund oak]

u wont see good ele's in that range

very few come to blast 8-10s

[waxen oyster]

yeah

unless its vault filling

in general

[bronze horizon]

i do 10's with my guild for vault fill and we have one of those players that just so happens to fucking bless every spec he touches. so as soon as he picked up ele he just started blasting

[rotund oak]

maybe the opposite happens

he just fotm rolls and memes

like

99.9% of the fotm rollers

[bronze horizon]

he is the furthest from a FOTM player you can get.

[rotund oak]

playing an ele idk if u can call that furthest but ok 🙂

[waxen oyster]

usually the good “fotm” players are typically just

filling in a raid buff

[bronze horizon]

he plays what he finds fun, it just so happens that what he finds fun ends up getting picked to get reworked. he picked shadow in DF before it got reworked because he liked it.

and also yeah he fills sometimes

[waxen oyster]

Happens less with sham now

that all 3 specs got their buff

instead of just enh

Which funnily enough I hear guilds often will struggle to maintain a good enh or havoc player the most.

If you don’t have one of those enh main for literal years diehards

[bronze horizon]

I've been rogue main for many years at this point, and the only tier that pulled me off rogue was castle nathria because we needed grips and amz was busted af for that raid

[dense ruin]

can someone explain to me how caustic spatter works?

[oak tangle]

what you wanna know? the tooltip is pretty self explanatory

[dense ruin]

well, I get it sometimes and sometimes I dont

is it every 10 seconds it procs?

[oak tangle]

no

read the tooltip

[drowsy hatch]

When you mutilate a ruptured target it applies it

[rotund oak]

apply rupture=>press mutilate=>applies spatter(this ''Flurries'' dmg from that target around it,i repeat FROM THE TARGET AROUND IT)

[dense ruin]

alright so does that make it explode instanlty?

[drowsy hatch]

You're confusing spatter

and poison bomb

There's no visual on spatter. It's just a debuff on a target that passively cleaves nature dmg

[dense ruin]

oh

so I just apply and and it does its thing

mb

[drowsy hatch]

Yessir

[rotund oak]

doubt u sitll understand how spatter works.In order to cleave with spatter u need to hit the target that has spatter

its not like blade flurry

[dense ruin]

well I thought spatter was the big explosion

[spice spire]

nah that's the bomb

[rotund oak]

baby steps 🙂

[spice spire]

poison nuke if u will

(it does 0 damage)

[dense ruin]

So i just nuke the spatter target and the poison cleaves

seems simple enough

[oak tangle]

if my assumption is correct, you are caught up one the "limit:1" part of the tooltip, it just means you can only have it on one target, not that you have to wait 10 seconds

[dense ruin]

So I have been litterlay griefing when I have lost my target and just hit something xd

[balmy condor]

lowkey actually in aoe it kinda does damage because it's not split

[rotund oak]

Unless we are talking about highend math this is very simple,if u wanna cleave hit the spattered target

[balmy condor]

which is strange

[oak tangle]

not necessarily, you can make your target the spatter target with a mutilate

[rotund oak]

dont forget to reapply spatter every 10seconds by pressing mutilate on the target while rupture is active else spatter drops and u dont spatter

[dense ruin]

aight, thanks guys this clears the air

[oak tangle]

what would be trolling is to kb a target, and then spatter off of another target

[dense ruin]

[rotund oak]

that would be monumental

[dense ruin]

I think I need to fix my platers

[rotund oak]

i think outlaw is strong in u

might need to perform exorcism

[oak tangle]

im sure there is some combo of focus macros you could set up to keep track of a target you wish to cleave from

[dense ruin]

I used to have focus macros when pushing on disc priest

might be it for kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

i mean

focus macro is just good

for kick target/mark

[spice spire]

Poison nuke was in legion pal

[rotund oak]

ive got focus macros for anything basicly but thats jsut me being weird.70% of them are not used in keys or raids

[balmy condor]

I mean on ovi'nax today it was doin a lil somethin

[oak tangle]

im thinking something in a kb macro that sets the kb target as your focus, and then envenom / mutilate target your focus\

[balmy condor]

not today

tuesday

but like

it was speakin

[spice spire]

I was about to say dog

Are you in the mines

[balmy condor]

not the most impressive 2 pointer but like

[rotund oak]

thats very special why would u do that

[spice spire]

Raiding on a Friday Smdh

[balmy condor]

it's kinda aight

[spice spire]

I mean

[waxen oyster]

raiding friday is chill

[oak tangle]

i dont do it, was just a passing thought

[balmy condor]

its just real bad in st

[waxen oyster]

you avoid smol indie company bugs

from tuesdays

[spice spire]

Yeah but then I’m raiding Friday

[rotund oak]

thats an advanced arena tech to cheese ppl,its actually big brain

good stuff

[spice spire]

Instead of banging @balmy condor ‘s pops

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

Sup

[rotund oak]

whispyr's bowling in fridays

guess u could fit a quickie somewhere in the rest room though

[spice spire]

I’m about to get way too vivid in description

[rotund oak]

oh my

[zealous arrow]

Been away for a few days, this still fine for m+ ?

[spice spire]

Dropping sd over sb is crazy work

But yeah that’s fine

[zealous arrow]

Oh is SD better now? I know some people were not running it at the .5 launch

[spice spire]

I mean sb main usage is during CDs and flushed during energy saturation but idk which is bette r between the two in definite. Feel craft days sd but that’s for a sim to decide

[balmy condor]

SD is dropped fairly frequently

but not for SB, that's insane

you'd drop it for TTK generally

[zealous arrow]

Is that reccomended as the general build rn?

[balmy condor]

if you're grabbing SB, you'd drop bone spike and grab ttk with doomblade generally

[balmy condor]

not really, no

it's something you can do

your build is fine, but SD is just better than SB

[zealous arrow]

So change those two and im solid then?

[balmy condor]

ye

[long steeple]

do i need to track envenom?

[balmy condor]

generally good practice yes

[zealous arrow]

Dope, thanks 😄

[balmy condor]

you could technically just ignore it and slam and it's not the worst thing imaginable

but there's no one that would recommend that generally

[long steeple]

thank you and im sorry if those are stupid question im new to rogue and kinda new to the game in general

[balmy condor]

all good

[mossy spire]

yoo, Casualaddict and Zerocool and another top ones assa rogue are playing with 48-53% of mastery, is that a limit now ? before everyone was playing at 63-68%

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[uneven crag]

Running a hybrid assassination rouge build, any advice on how to not run out of energy during single target boss fights in Mythic+???

[stray adder]

reroll enhance

[uneven crag]

Or is it just an obvious, "dont spam abilities as much"

[balmy condor]

basically just don't spam

but even then, you'll run out

we run out of energy outside of cooldowns

that's just how the spec works

[uneven crag]

damn, alright. Appreciate the insight and confirming that I'm not just complete doo doo at the game haha

Still doo doo, just not COMPLETE doo doo

[stray adder]

I macro'd skardyn with deathmark and for some reason there is a small delay after the I press the macro where it won't use skardyn

is that normal

[hallow pelican]

If it was inside the raid I’ve been finding all kinds of weird delays on items and abilities

Also does anyone have a rough idea how much DPS the heroic Ansurek ring is? Just looking for a rough # on those injections

[dawn heath]

new hood goes hard with mog?

from travelers log

[hallow pelican]

Your mog has … a garter?

[grizzled ember]

Hello guys, im a big newbi assa rogue and i'm looking for a list of defensive ability please, im dying so much in dungeons 😢

[thorn crater]

i assume chest and pants are some DH thing cause i aint ever seen that lol

[dawn heath]

its from some traveler's log awhile back

any class can use it

[static glacier]

Feint, Evasion, Cloak of Shadows, Crimson Vial, Vanish.

[grizzled ember]

Ty sir o7

[wispy marsh]

Good morning rogues

[stray adder]

carry a stack of algari healing potions

that will save your life

[oak tangle]

also depending on if you're nelf, vanish and shadowmeld can be useful too

for instance, on the corruptors at the end of grim batol, any invis will stop their channel on you

vanish will remove the roots in CoT

[trim monolith]

Does ambush apply Caustic Splatter? im sure i read it somewhere

[clever sapphire]

Aye

[vernal turret]

yes it does

[waxen harbor]

Should you always keep a minimal amount of energy instead of just spamming your filler on cooldown so that thistle tea doesn't automatically proc below 30, causing a lost of potential extra damage from its increase in mastery?

[drowsy hatch]

in theory yes, but just letting auto tea rip vs optimal tea usage is ~.2% dps difference

[waxen harbor]

ty

[drowsy hatch]

and can always macro it to shiv to have 1 tea per kb

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[ripe sparrow]

what talent causes the tea to activate itself

[drowsy hatch]

it's baseline to tea

[trim monolith]

@vernal turretwhy does it not show on weak auras, and does when i use mut

[past bramble]

This will work with double shiv ST spec? Or it will use a 2nd tea on the 2nd shiv

[drowsy hatch]

it will use 2nd tea on 2nd shiv but that's also fine. It's more for m+ in general though

[past bramble]

Gotcha!

[drowsy hatch]

since the mastery buff is like 5s

[ripe sparrow]

so your tea is used per kilo?? Always

Per KB

[drowsy hatch]

yeah the tea/shiv macro basically guarantees 1 tea per kb. And since kb is when you want to have as much energy as possible it's nice

[vernal turret]

you mean first ambush from stealth or proc/sb ambush?

[warped shard]

do you guuys build combo points with mutilate or FON on singletarget?

or, when do you favor FON over mutilate?

[drowsy hatch]

only fok when clear the witnesses is up

otherwise mut

[arctic tusk]

do u always want to get the ambush out of vanish in ST or does it not matter

[long steeple]

ist it ok if i build both daggers with omen since i wont be seeing mythic raid and might not even do 10s

its the best option for me yes?

[exotic trench]

i guess yes

[drowsy hatch]

its only bad since OH dagger wouldnt be worth the crests

compared to upgrading other things

[exotic trench]

at leat you can craft your main hand

[drowsy hatch]

oh yeah totally craft mh

just skip oh if you have anything to upgrade

[long steeple]

ok

[drowsy hatch]

if you have improved ambush yeah, or if you need to apply mark. Otherwise I believe mut is better

[west crown]

You are using imp garrote if you have it for ST. Otherwise vanish isn’t a dps cd

[knotty grove]

Hey guys. I've these 3 trincket. Dead-eye spyglass, Skardyn's Grace and Ara-kara Sacbrood. What combination of the 3 would be the best in M+ (8-10 keys)

[west crown]

Sim

Skardyns and one of the other 2 is my guess

[knotty grove]

Sim as dungeon slice or?

[west crown]

Yes

[pine dew]

Good Morning which Macros are nice to have?

[meager jungle]

Is bonespike now better in keys ?

The rotation is way more chill thn without imo

[drowsy hatch]

It's pretty recommended to take bone spike

[waxen harbor]

Is there value in pooling over 5 combo points into envenom (disregarding for darkest night proc) and rupture. Whenever I am combat logging on a training dummy (1 target 5 min), forcing an active effort to pool more than 5 seems to lead to an increase in overall dps? does this statement hold true, if so what is the optimal combo points for each ability, alongside this I often face the scenario where I am at 6 combo points and do not know whether mutilating for the final 7th is worth it or not?

[arctic tusk]

cant u use imp garrote for 6 seconds after vanishing?

so you could just take the free ambush

and garrote after

[fringe sequoia]

is the newer M+ build with Subterfuge and no Sudden Demise the go to now?

[drowsy hatch]

Subterfuge is def the play

You can keep sudden demise and cut sang and ignore ttk though

that's the current on wowhead. It's flexible though

[fringe sequoia]

alright ty

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[deft vault]

is there a way to make a compo point glow blue in weakaura for shiv empowered combo point likebefore with er

[drowsy hatch]

I dont think anything tracks it since the actual combo point doesnt matter

[deft vault]

yeah i know but i think its easier on the eyes if you see 3 blue combo point to know i have 3 empowered finisher

than seeing a number 3

[drowsy hatch]

Well the logic rn is more that you dont factor in the supercharge

Since a supercharge on 7 is still 10 cp

[deft vault]

yeah but wouldnt it be good to finish or 4 or 5 if you have DN up

instead of doing another mut to force 7

[drowsy hatch]

Pretty sure it's a wash

Especially since in raid st (where we actually take supercharger) youre giga energy flooded so saving the energy isn't needed

And the guaranteed crit on a 10cp envenom is rad

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drowsy hatch]

I would check LE's collection though

[waxen harbor]

Is it worth it to fan of knives in single target rotation so you can hit a supercharged envenom?

[drowsy hatch]

It's worth to fok if you have clear the witnesses in general

[waxen harbor]

without clear the witnesses

[normal mist]

then no

[drowsy hatch]

then no since idk what fok is doing

supercharge is off shiv

[normal mist]

and any envenom will be supercharged after shiv

[deft vault]

supercharged cp arent like before

youi dont have to finish on the blue cp

[normal mist]

you're the one determining when to finish

[waxen harbor]

ty

[jagged violet]

i feel like my st is lacking on m+ hybrid build, what cp is ok to send envenom w/o darkest night proc?

[normal mist]

5+

[drowsy hatch]

assa m+ st is just ass

So dw

[jagged violet]

ah ok, i just levled and am like 618 ilvl so thats reassuring

makes sense, ty

and being energy starved on st outside of cds is normal as well? Or am i fucking up there

[unreal verge]

I have also felt that, fred. I saw someone asking the same yesterday, and they got the same answer. With ST talents its a whole different stort, and one that I very much enjoy. I recently rerolled from arcane and I enjoy assa a lot

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[dawn heath]

i'm really suprised they havent fixed satyr

on last boss in dawn yet

i guess no one plays warlock so they dont know about it

[drowsy hatch]

It's a very common question, I suspect especially now that raid and m+ are significantly different as you said

But really in the end the trade off for having giga aoe is meh st

[jagged violet]

is there a guideline on envenom uptime? I couldnt find on wowhead, sorry for spamming questions heh

yeah makes sense

[drowsy hatch]

Just keep it up

Pandemic at 30% as per usual

[strange python]

whats the best trinkets for single target for assas?

[brave comet]

should i go for speed over crit dmg?

[rotund oak]

@normal mist trying to slutmog but not quite

[dawn heath]

its rogue aesthetic and slutmog

[rotund oak]

its illegal

[dawn heath]

sue me

[rotund oak]

someone throw this man to jail

i take immediate action

😂

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j0bYLkRwtNOeeFiBv?invite=cr-MSxUUlcsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

how is this not fixed yet

absolutely gamebreaking

been in the game for weeks

[brave comet]

should i do what icyveins says, or should i go with what wowhead says?

speed or crit %?

[drowsy hatch]

I mean it's saying

that it's inconsequential

so do what you feel like

[knotty grove]

what does the warlock do?

[dawn heath]

just cast curse of satyr kick late on the cast and most of the time the boss just ends
not always

[brave comet]

i dont like to think about games, i just like to follow guides. when two guides give conflicting advice i'll just be a sheep and ask someone else to choose for me. what do you use?

[drowsy hatch]

I dont even know

I set that shit 4 weeks ago and forgot about it

[fluid glade]

choose dmg

fuck speed

[drowsy hatch]

yeah fuck it bro big boom boom dmg

[heavy nebula]

A little confused on bleed application in aoe.. are you supposed to just turn to different mobs and apply to all? As in.. target swap?

[fluid glade]

you can use mouseover macros

so you dont have to targetswap

or just bleed the same target repeatedly

[drowsy hatch]

You can target swap / MO for an extra rupture, but if you have IC up and blast on 1 target it will also just spread

And that's basically as good

[fluid glade]

good nameplate mods/scripts to track bleeds is good too

[waxen harbor]

Priotize shiv on last 8 seconds of kingsbane rather than last 8 seconds of deathmark?

[drowsy hatch]

Well those generally line up

[heavy nebula]

Ah okay. Thanks 🙂

[drowsy hatch]

But yes it's for KB since it doesn't apply to bleeds without a talent

Just nature

And we don't take that talent in m+

[gilded wasp]

Does someone knows when S2 usually comes out ?

[normal mist]

i mean if it works it works :3

[balmy condor]

probably not until like february

[gilded wasp]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

at the minimum

[arctic tusk]

whispyr are we supposed to ambush everytime we vanish in dc's

cd's

and garrote within the 6 seconds it has imp garrote

[dense ruin]

should I macro Skardyn to death mark or use it for the envenom proc before deathmark?

[arctic tusk]

and how important is it to get the ambush vs getting 7 seconds of master assassin ticks

[balmy condor]

mostly this, no one gives a shit about ambush

you vanish for imp gar and ma

ambush arguably isn't even worth using sometimes

[balmy condor]

macro

[waxen harbor]

does the ambush reproccing deathstalkers mark do nothing of importance, as inf uptime from darkest night?

[balmy condor]

correct

[zinc vortex]

is anybody else annoyed from our derpy lifepool ? never read something about it but it really starts to fck me up

[subtle tundra]

yes we are squishy

you have to play well

[trim monolith]

Ok time to feel bad for myself, what am i doing wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rKfmc7t4ZXaRAwTn#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11

[grim vigil]

can you shadowmeld + stealth in m+?

[drowsy hatch]

Yes but it's only somewhat consistent, and not on bosses

[waxen harbor]

whats the dps increase for keeping the second stack of envenom as much as you can? (re-envenoming at pandemic timer of first envenom buff)

[subtle tundra]

your vanish usage is wrong

garrote fell off

wtf

[unreal verge]

I use Devlin WAs, they have a nifty envenom tracker that i usually just refresh in the last 30% of the buff

[subtle tundra]

should be 99 or close to 99 on both

[unreal verge]

Its a bar, so its easy to see

[subtle tundra]

94 is bad

[trim monolith]

yea makes sense, how am i fucking up vanish?

[subtle tundra]

you should use it in the last 6 seconds of KB, you used it way off

youre playing MA

you also refresh garrote with that vanish

improved garrote

your garrote fell off in DM

[waxen harbor]

why the last 6 seconds?

[subtle tundra]

MA

uh master assasin

[waxen harbor]

if you dont have MA what would you change

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt play without MA

[balmy condor]

if you don't have MA you would change talents

[trim monolith]

So following wowhead i have either misread or interpreted wrong ? im sure i stuffed the opener up but doing my best to follow it lmao

[subtle tundra]

wowhead is correct

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah wowhead has vanish a few gcds after kb

[unreal verge]

You can export the talent strings and import them ingame. Cant get any easier than that 🙂

[subtle tundra]

your parse was also fucked cause your 2nd DM was very late and you didnt get full value

[drowsy hatch]

Well hes running the right talents

[trim monolith]

I have the talents, just trying to get the opener/rotation down

[subtle tundra]

you used at 2:29 and boss died at 2:37

[trim monolith]

learning

[subtle tundra]

you needed to use it earlier by 10 sec

[unreal verge]

Ah i misunderstood. Gotcha

[subtle tundra]

probably cause of vanish

[trim monolith]

i think i held waiting for something else

[subtle tundra]

you waited for vanish

which you shouldnt do

[trim monolith]

ok

[subtle tundra]

cause you vanish for MA

so its always up

thank god assa outside of cooldowns is actual braindead

[hollow warren]

Is it intended that we need to wait for MA buff to run out to vanish cuz it doesn't extend from vanish?

[subtle tundra]

so there's nothing else to check

[hollow warren]

Lets say on opener in m+

[drowsy hatch]

Yes you need to wait

[subtle tundra]

not inteded

bugged

[drowsy hatch]

Not intended ofc

but you have to wait

[hollow warren]

Okay just wanted to check out if I do it right

[subtle tundra]

its cause of subterfuge

[trim monolith]

haha brain dead player tries to understand opener... never gonna work back to fdk

[subtle tundra]

its bugged

[hollow warren]

Finally got the trinket btw yesterday after 68 runs @drowsy hatch

[subtle tundra]

? you did it almost correct

[drowsy hatch]

Honestly sovlov

like 90% of your issues are from the 1 mistake

[subtle tundra]

you fucked up vanish and thats it

[drowsy hatch]

since its just cascading

so its really not bad

[trim monolith]

oh ok haha shit i thought it was a lot worse

[subtle tundra]

our vanish usage changes based on talents quite a bit

there were builds where vanish did 0 dmg

so you never pressed it

[fallen arch]

That was great

It was a dsm failsafe

I liked that tbh

[drowsy hatch]

Conglaturations

Skardyns I assume

[hollow warren]

Yes exactly haha

[fallen arch]

Lol I saw it drop 3 times yesterday

[drowsy hatch]

I'll invite you to the special skardyns havers disc then

[fallen arch]

All times for trash enhancer alts

[subtle tundra]

started playing with guild in keys!

[fallen arch]

That didnt wanna trade/sell

[hollow warren]

[fallen arch]

Game is griefing me

[subtle tundra]

man

im almost done with gear on rogue

i need the very rare items and mythic head

so

wtf

[hollow warren]

Same got my exodia piece yesterday finally haha

[subtle tundra]

im just fucking annoyed i have 0 very rare items

[hollow warren]

Same for me, had Sikran neck in vault but picked 639 dagger

[sharp viper]

have you tried getting lucky?

[fallen arch]

And here I am on my 42nd GB run for a skardyns

[subtle tundra]

only place i can get lucky is the vault.......

[fallen arch]

Vault will give me a myth skardyns surely

[sharp viper]

same

hope we get to progress/kill ovinax

[grim vigil]

is there a good macro to use for shadowmeld + stealth?

[amber brook]

Seasons are not 3 months?

[strong wing]

Why is parry a thing still?

And people doesnt complains much

[zinc vortex]

just in raid content as far as i know

[drowsy hatch]

parry is thematic = )

[balmy condor]

seasons are roughly 5 months

dragonflight's 3 seasons were december, may, november

[frosty bridge]

idk man lowkey i wish spell resist was a thing

[wild hound]

Roast me please, what am I fucking up? ❤️ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4WGv9BLqh78xXZDH#fight=33&type=damage-done&source=818

[strong wing]

They deleted it but we still have parry

[frosty bridge]

mages would torch blizzard hq and both parry and and spell resist would be gone

[strong wing]

They deleted melee range

[limber lion]

It is very weird indeed. Nothing good really comes out of it

[strong wing]

But they dont get casting while moving deleted

[frosty bridge]

I am pretty sure they talked about it in an interview this year with Max I think

not sure if it was Morgan or Ion

but yeah, weird reasoning

[strong wing]

Yea, its a super frustrating mechanic with 0 skill involved

In lots of games they had similar things and community was fuming

[analog hornet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[civic swan]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[zealous wolf]

is it worth upgrading hero items above 619?

[civic swan]

it depends.. sometimes yes sometimes no. depends on what access you have to myth track gear really. if youre just getting one piece from the vault every week then probably yeah, if you are raiding mythic then probably not other than trinkets and stuff you cant get from raid.

[zealous wolf]

eh, i am raiding starting from last week but i doubt we will get more than 4/8 anytime soon

[civic swan]

if youre raiding 4/8 mythic i would say no, other than skardyns grace and empowering crystal/ maybe umbriss band

but worst case scenario if you upgrade hero track, youre wasting 15-30 gilded per time you decide to do that. it may not even matter at the end of the day

[zealous wolf]

im sitting on 100 crests, should i just upgrade my dawnthread boots to 639?

i mean i am 582/720 crests

so i guess i can use them to upgrade

[civic swan]

is your mainhand weapon already 639 or the crafted one?

[zealous wolf]

crafted but not embelished

[civic swan]

i would say just sim it to see what you should craft using droptimizer

[orchid root]

I'm trying to look at m+ logs to understand what they do differently, and when i look at damage source breakdowns I don't see poison bomb in theirs despite it being talented, any idea which ability its being counted under?

[rare isle]

Should be its own entity?

[rare isle]

Im kidding, I just looked through some logs. It's counted in an undercategory in envenom. You should see a arrow on envenom. Open that and you will see separate breakdown on envenom and poison bomb

[exotic trench]

Hi guys, i'm actually watching Casualaddict on stream and when he puts deathmark he doesn't refresh garrot or rupture do i miss something ?

[knotty canopy]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[drowsy hatch]

Deathmark copies already applied dots

[exotic trench]

Oh !

I've not understand the tooltip like this !

thanks mate !

[drowsy hatch]

You're welcome

[quartz osprey]

Thoughts on MA over iron wire in keys?

it +200k dps in dslice for me

[novel star]

dogshit

iron wire is too good

dropping iron wire for more damage has always been a thing and it’s never going to be worth

don’t do it

[hoary ginkgo]

how much different between 619 vs 636 off hand ?

[blazing pumice]

bugger all

if you recraft your mainhand, you will get a free ugprade on the offhand anyway

[hoary ginkgo]

i already have 636 crafted main, but my off hand is only 619 crafted. i dont know i should upgrade my offhand to 636 asap or not

[blazing pumice]

it should be last

and as I just said, if you recraft the mainhand by just putting embellishing powder on it, you will get a free upgrade on your heroic track OH

[past panther]

the literal last item you upgrade

[hoary ginkgo]

yeah i understand you, but i never ever got a dagger drop yet

lol

[normal mist]

you can legit sim the difference between a 619 and a 636 weapon

MH? huge

OH? pretty shit

[leaden garden]

Do you guys gem according to your +crit meta gem thingy? like, only dif gems. I heard it's quite minor

[normal mist]

it is

[zinc vortex]

does imp garrotte snapshot the damage for its duration ?

[royal lantern]

yes

[zinc vortex]

so its worth to override in the last sec of the buff right

[marsh night]

how much % of crit mastery haste vers you want for 10+ and up keys? in a perfect world

So i know what to aim for

[zinc vortex]

simming

[marsh night]

and what the "cap" is that you dont want to go over

[past panther]

there’s no reasonable cap or target, simming is the best way to check

it’s easy and effortless too

ive simmed my stats from week 1 and on and im at like 55% mastery, 30% crit, 1% haste and 4% vers

and when it comes to a mastery crit vs a master haste or mastery vers piece of gear the sim still tells me to pick up the mastery crit

[marsh night]

Are u playing high keys on 4% vers

?

[sweet elk]

So is it better to use improved garrote with large packs instead of leading with ambush? I tend to use ambush and then spam between garrote and rupture with iron wire. I thought that if I used improved garrote from stealth the spammed garrotes would be overridden, but I’m not sure

[past panther]

like 10s-12s so not insanely high

[marsh night]

ait ait

[past panther]

i don’t have too much issue dying

[normal mist]

there ain't no caps. There's simming. Altough most people just crit mastery their way into m+

[past panther]

if something hits a rogue outside of feint you’re probably gonna tank the floor anyways

so i wouldn’t stress too hard on vers lol

[oak pollen]

How do you guys sim for m+? Theres some trinkets i wanna sim but since ovi'nax egg is influenced by movement i dont know if its trustworthy

[limber lion]

I use a custom DungeonRoute sim

But Dslice should give a decent idea on gearing

[oak pollen]

even with the movement thing in some itens?

[turbid canopy]

anyone got the macro to prevent thistle tea auto pop?

[limber lion]

There is nothing like that

It will auto pop if you go below 30 energy

[limber lion]

You can sim a light movement sim with high amount of targets if you want, but I doubt that's gonna change anything

[turbid canopy]

ah okay

annoying

[limber lion]

It's fine

Ultra optimizing it is like 0.3%

[winged sun]

ceverion

i dont think i like double vanish much

[limber lion]

Then don't play it

[winged sun]

the other build is double envenom?

[limber lion]

No

You just take Lethality instead of WAT

Doesn't matter how you swap the talents around in the spec tree

It's all preference

[winged sun]

[past panther]

ppl want viable build diversity then hit decision paralysis cause they can’t netdeck anymore

[umbral sigil]

It's the wicked combo of ADHD and Autism

[wild hound]

When I compare my logs to the top logs i usually notice their kingsbane and deathmark sit at like 7/8M dmg per cast, while mine is at 6/7M. So like, what makes the difference? What are the important things to do during damage windows to max dmg basically? Pool energy before so you can spam envenom, vanish when there's 6 sec left of KB for MA, try to have dots refreshed before you go into the window. Shiv before and at 8 sec left. Am I missing something?

[past panther]

are you making sure you’re getting shiv and thistle tea off at the right time during KB? cooldowns always lining up?

little things like that

[loud brook]

how do you guys open with subterfuge?

[waxen oyster]

same gear?

[stable hamlet]

good question

[waxen oyster]

opener doesnt change

[lone parrot]

whatever my fingers do on their own

i do not guide them, they guide me

[white tiger]

Hello Guys, i have a question. I play assa rogue and i wonder about the loot specialisation. Most of the time i loot some Stuff with hast, hast poly. I think i should focus on Critic Mastery. Does the Loot specialisation affect the secondary stat ?

[manic quartz]

no

[white tiger]

ok so i am just unlucky right ?

[zinc vortex]

the focus on stats is a community thing. math and theorey crafting. blizz has nothing to do with it

[manic quartz]

well items have fixed stats so they dont change, you need to look up what you want and farm that dung for example.

[zinc vortex]

the lootspec just secure that you get weopns and things like that, that u need for your spec

[waxen oyster]

its not even theorycrafting

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[white tiger]

allright guys, thank you for the infos

[waxen oyster]

people pull the crit mast thing out of their ass

If you aren’t 639 in most slots you are spending way too long thinking about secondary stats.

[zinc vortex]

its a result of crit synergy with seal fate, mastery a more efficient stat than vers for damage and haste not bringing as much to the table...so not really from their asses. but at the end u shoul sim yourself to get the best upgrades

[waxen oyster]

You do realize vers buffs everything

and stats are multiplicative

And haste makes dots do more

[zinc vortex]

y and both has with the same amount of numbers less value for sin than mastery most of the time so...what u are wanting to tell me ?

[waxen oyster]

This depends on your own character

If you have less mastery the sim won’t tell you to get as much.

[zinc vortex]

the fact that all sec stats arent bad for us is no secret otherwise we wouldn take things like alch chaos. but at the end there is always a more efficient one than another

[waxen oyster]

almost like alchemical chaos literally gives you 4 secondaries from your pot

crazy how getting 4 instead of 3 during your cds matters

[zinc vortex]

tell than an outlaw. crazy how it shifts if 1 or 2 stats are dogshit for a spec cause of bad synergys^^

[waxen oyster]

Ok and that’s outlaw