assassination

[balmy condor]

your rings have a ton of crit too

so you have a ton of that

so we can rule out crit

so what stats are left

haste and vers

generally we prefer haste over vers

and your shoulders/chest have a bunch of vers

so GG

[spice spire]

But imagine the 6m envenoms

[balmy condor]

suggests haste

[hollow warren]

I understand yeah just thought we go crit mastery until we hit the DR

[balmy condor]

DR is fake

[spice spire]

No

[balmy condor]

who gives a fuck

[spice spire]

We go until haste is a better stat

You’re there

It’s not a free fall

[drowsy hatch]

there is basically no way to hit consistent dr rn

and even if we did

[spice spire]

It’s a line that is fluid

[drowsy hatch]

who cares

[spice spire]

And changes over time

[hollow warren]

makes sense, thank you super much for the education 🙂

[balmy condor]

it's literally just going from 17,000 mastery to 17,400 is a lot less impressive than going from 800 haste to 1200 haste

[spice spire]

I care

[balmy condor]

it's all about multipliers

[hollow warren]

makes sense yeah

[waxen oyster]

you get sikran neck because it has more stats

than any other neck

[drowsy hatch]

I care for u

[balmy condor]

yah

[spice spire]

I get Sikran next because I need healing constantly (im bad)

[spice spire]

Thanks bestie ur alright too

[waxen oyster]

same king

where tf is my rash cloak

[arctic socket]

“Alright too” damn dude

[lusty raven]

How much haste should I have? Is there an ideal %?

[waxen oyster]

whatever simc says

[spice spire]

No

[waxen oyster]

equip ilvl

sub 630 peasants moment

[spice spire]

623

Finally got my 639 weapon at least

But I’ve brought shame

[waxen oyster]

wait how did you get roped back into wow

[hollow warren]

same this week, got the crit mastery dagger on 639

[waxen oyster]

i thought you got out

[spice spire]

Dog what

I’ve been playing because my best friend got me back into it

[waxen oyster]

Am i cooked and confusing you for oxi

[spice spire]

And now she’s playing freedom and liberty

[spice spire]

We both did

And now we’re raiding together

Lmfao

Man went from HoF to week 10 AotC

One day a week makes game fun and not labor

[waxen oyster]

washed

jk

idr when i got my first m bloodbound dag

[spice spire]

Oh no

I’m mega washed

[waxen oyster]

crit mast, crit vers its really no difg

[spice spire]

I quit from last October to august

[spice spire]

Hell yeah Twinsies

[hollow warren]

yeah was just happy that it got good/okay stats

[spice spire]

I rolled avoidance too

[hollow warren]

since I didnt raid with rogue yet

[spice spire]

So I was

[arctic socket]

I got a crit vers wep

But let’s be honest

Stats are a lie

[spice spire]

Ur so real

[waxen oyster]

yeah none of the weps are bad

i finally got to upgrade my trinkets from 619

ran out of myth gear more worth upgrading

[arctic socket]

Only thing stats really matter on would be our rings / neck

[waxen oyster]

chest helm etc

[spice spire]

In fact one might argue all good because mh dam is all that matters

[spice spire]

Well

[waxen oyster]

its also like

[spice spire]

I’m not gonnna be pedantic

[waxen oyster]

600 secondary

at most

if you got the haste vers dag

which still isnt bad

[arctic socket]

That’s why you craft ascension emblishment

That can make up the mastery your missing

[waxen oyster]

i mean….

[spice spire]

What’s it kissing

[arctic socket]

[waxen oyster]

I made double dawn since i got a mythic kukri

[arctic socket]

You’re weird for that

[waxen oyster]

and bug abused to free 636 offhand

so….

less crests

[arctic socket]

Ascension is bis

Ngl

[spice spire]

Dawn is more than fine

[arctic socket]

I crafted a 636 so I didn’t have to farm valor stones

I also spent 280k on a 629 belt

[waxen oyster]

me with a casual

1k+ stones

at all times

[arctic socket]

Fuck

You

[static glacier]

I just got my second myth regicide, gonna be making a m+ set

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean i think eventhally

ill make an ascension dagger because

my crafted slots are limited

got socket bracers from raid

a myth belt already

and i think 636 offhand is a smaller loss than 636 crafted bracers vs 639 socket

[waxen oyster]

does radiant not sim higher on st

for you

[arctic socket]

I will be happy when we kill princess

I want a chance at regicide

But then if I get that idk if I drop ascension and go for Dawnthread

[waxen oyster]

mid weapon

[arctic socket]

Only reason I want it is so many other people want it

N fuk em

Kinda like queen ring

[spring stream]

quick question, in m+ elusiveness better than cheat death?

[arctic socket]

If you have to ask that question continue to use cheat death, but yeah elusiveness on higher keys is very strong if you know how to use it and actually press it

[pliant silo]

Only if you’re a gamer

Like never stand in shit p much

[coral ibex]

take elusiveness, become a better player

[halcyon grail]

My long held belief is;

While still learning the dungeons ect, cheat death.

If you are pretty comfortable with knowing when incoming damage is, elusiveness.

Chest deaths cooldown barely makes it worth the "oh shit!" Save.

[pliant silo]

Take cheat death, “oopsies I died hehe”

[spring stream]

thx guys 👌

[halcyon grail]

Proactively using Elusiveness is infinitely better damage mitigation.

[waxen oyster]

queen ring is actually good though

[arctic socket]

I baited my guild into giving me the queen ring first

During normal^

[waxen oyster]

lmfao

i still pug normal in case for it

[spice surge]

My belief is that unless you 1000% know you need elusiveness to not die, cheat death is better

[arctic socket]

I told them assassin rogues kit buffs the damage it does n also procs twice as fast

[slim hamlet]

Assa rogue in MDI, please nerf?

[cinder quartz]

nerf this

[static glacier]

Moreso about not running ascension

[slim hamlet]

No dont do it

[cinder quartz]

ok but pretend i posted the gif

[waxen oyster]

double kukri

[slim hamlet]

I did

It's ok

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah i run elusiveness and die, if i ran cheat i would live

[static glacier]

gonna sim it and see

[slim hamlet]

[static glacier]

we deffo proc the nature dmg thing more than others, but overall procs are rppm iirc

[thin portal]

Question for sin rogues.

How often do you get declined for keys?

[tired gull]

activating self destruct sequence

[cinder quartz]

shakes ass

[waxen oyster]

not often

Also 632 ilvl

that plays a part

[drowsy hatch]

I never get declined because I only run with my frens

[waxen oyster]

also that

[pliant silo]

Applying to the right keys is important I’d say

Understanding the host pov and comp etc

[static glacier]

not often tbh

[cinder quartz]

yolo send it

[static glacier]

but I don't pug above 12

[dusty crescent]

f that i just spam apply

it's the same result regardless

declined or timed out

😄

[pliant silo]

I guess I mostly mean not applying to groups that already have multiple “selfish” dps and no supportive elements, or groups that still need a lust, a decurse, or w/e else dungeon specific

There is room for like one or two sinful dps pmuch

If you want to have 5 high-percentage applications up

[thin portal]

Interesting

[pliant silo]

I apply to groups that have a tank or a shaman, and let them take me as literally the baseline to their comp

[crude sequoia]

does ascendance do less damage on OH ?

[tropic cedar]

people who raid mythic are in the low-mid 630s so that's the ilvl you are competing with in like 12s+

[pliant silo]

I find it less frequent that I am taken as the 5th character, as I fill no specific niche that anyone would be looking for (but I make a great first-dps-in-the-group)

[crude sequoia]

feel like im struggling ST after switching my 636 to OH

[vast patio]

What's the over/under on racial sims? Thinking dragon for mog/glide but unsure.

[thin portal]

I switched to dragon its not worth unless you really want the nerfed aoe interupt (not work in pvp) + glide. The animation to go in flight is longer than normal mounting so Its also useless and I just mount normally.

[waxen oyster]

play mechagnome or orc if you want sim dps

is the end of it

[thin portal]

I'd probably go back to orc ye

[waxen oyster]

dwarf has the most useful racial

its not close

[thin portal]

Unless you are horde only

[waxen oyster]

faction doesnt matter

in 2024

[pliant silo]

dracthyr racial should be rescue

[drowsy hatch]

faction locking yourself now is just nerfing yourself

[pliant silo]

Would be baller as fuck

[waxen oyster]

who tf leaves the main hub

[ebon notch]

@limber lion you ready for the weakest flex

[pliant silo]

Faction prevents you from queueing LFR with homies and that’s basically it

I think they’ll change that tbh

[waxen oyster]

Even then that barely matters

LFR xd

[pliant silo]

Yeah it’s really low impact

Leveling dungeon queues as well though, maybe more relevant for grouping with friends than LFR

[waxen oyster]

they’re making dungeon queue non faction locked

[fleet crest]

I am leveling a rogue from 70-80 and I have no idea what I'm doing lol.

[fleet crest]

Only for full groups

[limber lion]

Let's see it

Bout to be some 602 ilvl 100% parse on a mythic boss

[ebon notch]

ilvl heroic parses

[thin portal]

I dont want to use alliance cities

Eww

[limber lion]

Knew it

[waxen oyster]

Brother who leaves dornogal

[fleet crest]

Ok well because you're clearly that good on rogue, you're gonna need to teach me how to play rogue

[dusty crescent]

what ilvl lol

[waxen oyster]

You dont even need to be in that city except to talk to the upgrade npc

[bronze pike]

dwarf racists

[limber lion]

dogshit ilvl but does it in a group where everyone else is 630

[drowsy hatch]

ah yes for the 14 seconds you're in the portal room to get to tanaris

[limber lion]

But nice nice

[waxen oyster]

need my updated 2005 pixels

[bronze pike]

what if life is so chaotic that i dont have much time to get past 620

[fleet crest]

620 is fine

[waxen oyster]

How much of a troll am i

[fleet crest]

You're doing great

[waxen oyster]

parking outside the raid on a bruto

with the passengers kicked off

[ebon notch]

619 or smth

[dusty crescent]

was it like... 3min kill times? lol

[keen spruce]

1.3 is r1 on kyveza?

or did you get the 100 earlier

[waxen oyster]

its by ilvl

[keen spruce]

oh ic ic

wait how do you get your overall page

to show ilvl

[storm karma]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thin plinth]

hey guys and girls, i want to craft a 636 ring cuz my ring is bad, whats the name of the best assasination ring

[ebon notch]

top right

[keen spruce]

oh based

I have some 100s cuz I did it at 618

[limber lion]

Hey I'm 615, it's okay

[bronze pike]

[tardy summit]

hey guys - whats the best poisons to use ?

[limber lion]

Amp > Deadly

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[vast patio]

I refuse to be a stunty.

[waxen oyster]

I mean if you care about racials

[rose dirge]

nah but actually

for some reason

im tilted now

why do i keep not getting enough combo points in opener

[vast patio]

I'm trying to mix mog/effectiveness. I hate dwarves 😠

[waxen oyster]

People say “for mog” then proceed to have the worst mog in existence

[static glacier]

because you stop pressing mutilate

[vast patio]

My mogs are glorious

[waxen oyster]

t2 fullset

moment

[rose dirge]

nah but my ambus garrote is consistently fucking me in the ass with 4 combo points

[vast patio]

Do I look like a paladin to you

[dusty crescent]

i just rock merciless glad

and call it a day

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

2 pixels

[vast patio]

I guess it is arthas

Still

[static glacier]

is this in keys or raid?

[dusty crescent]

i can't imagine trying to get MUH TOTALLY DONUT STEAL MOG

it's cringe

[static glacier]

you shouldn't be playing ss in raid

[waxen oyster]

Just get unobtainables

[vast patio]

Challenge mode is bis on sin

[waxen oyster]

depends on tabard

df s1 glad yes

[vast patio]

Doesn't matter because of the smoke cloud mutilate causes lol

[waxen oyster]

well best mog is technically

ruthless elite

from cata

[static glacier]

I'm a big fan of s3 df's mythic set

with an antorus head

[waxen oyster]

antorus head doesnt match colors wise?

[static glacier]

deffo does

[waxen oyster]

that helm has blue

[static glacier]

the one I have is burgundy

[waxen oyster]

i dont think thats mythic

[static glacier]

/outfit v1 89815,191228,0,74625,191253,83202,83203,104604,191243,192574,191233,104603,218984,-1,5360,218984,5360

[static glacier]

yeah it's not

the amirdrassil stuff is mythic tho

[spice spire]

GM

[waxen oyster]

amir set is alr

[dusty crescent]

who car4es about tmog when you just use tmorph anyway

[static glacier]

I think it fits well on z troll

[dusty crescent]

😄

[waxen oyster]

well playing troll

xd

[dawn heath]

how does ambush window work with subterfuge?

kinda weird

i cant ambush the whole window

[waxen oyster]

best fullset they’ve made in years is cn mythic leather

[static glacier]

wait a sec

why is the improt link to wowhead showing normal set

???

[waxen oyster]

stinky

[static glacier]

anyways that's what it looks like

hat does match

[waxen oyster]

Barely

ztroll looks goofy tbh

[static glacier]

animations are pretty good imo, that and I've become attatched over the years

memorable char instead of being the 100000000th elf / dwarf

[waxen oyster]

belf kinda fell off

after legion

surprised so many still

[viral stump]

So I have both Ara-Kara Sacbrood and Void Reaper's Contract, but they sim way below my current trinks: Spelunker's Waning Candle and Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife. WHY? They are supposed to be S and A list trinkets for Sin Rogue..???

[woven folio]

is caustic spatter bugged?

[woven folio]

not being applied on dummies, im afraid to hop in a key and get yeeted

[waxen oyster]

because it depends on your character

[static glacier]

I think rogues are all pretty much nelf / belf / velf or dwarf / orc / tauren for racials

[waxen oyster]

who tf is tauren

as a non meme

[static glacier]

people who want crit dmg / care for 5% stam idk

[cobalt sphinx]

do you have deadly poison and rupture on the target

[waxen oyster]

i see more humans than cows

[woven folio]

yea

[viral stump]

I wondered that -- you know: the way I got where I am with sims for better dps. Maybe my stats are totally effed up?

[barren linden]

what DCD do you guys usually use for first boss in NW when he cast retch on me? Fient is enough?

[soft surge]

my 619 ritual knife always sims best for dungeon slice

[cobalt sphinx]

evasion works, first second of cloak works, intervene works

[soft surge]

iv got all the trinkest at max hero and skardyns at myth

[pliant silo]

Meld that shit, someone else’s problem ez

[lucid silo]

dslice is weird

[soft surge]

yea

is ritual knife weird in sims in general too?

[barren linden]

thanks! shadowmeld works too? idk if its good idea lol

[lucid silo]

idk ive never simmed it and idk what you're simming against

link your sim

[lone lantern]

ritual knife is solid

[manic quartz]

Evasion works, 1st second of cloak also, feint with elu.

[waxen oyster]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cobalt sphinx]

i think it'll re-target and kill someone else

[soft surge]

with the vault. does ritual knife only appear in the world part

my current one dropped ina belve

[lucid silo]

ritual knife is from delves i think so yea

[barren linden]

yeah i think so too lol

thanks

[soft surge]

just imagining myth track ritual knife

[viral stump]

Yeah ritual knife is delve

[soft surge]

gotta keep doing those 8 delves every week ig

wait does weekly vault delve gear drop champion or hero

at 619

or w/e it is

[waxen oyster]

champ without a map

[dusty crescent]

her

[viral stump]

I mean, I can see how the Ara-Kara Sacbrood would be better for ST. Maybe I should test the VR Contract out on a dummy.

[soft surge]

yemy knife is 619 max champion

so its not possible to get a hero track ritual knife?

from anywhere

[viral stump]

In the vault yeah

[waxen oyster]

get a map

and the chest from map can be hero

[soft surge]

oh

hittin the delves

[viral stump]

I think you have to do +7 delves to get hero delve gear in the vault

[barren linden]

not worth imo

[soft surge]

yea thats the issue

[waxen oyster]

maps are random drops

either from end of delve

[soft surge]

they dont have to be bountfil tho right

to max out delves

[waxen oyster]

or zekvir rando attacking you

[barren linden]

right

[waxen oyster]

during a delve

can also drop a map

[soft surge]

some of the delves are quick af as rogue

[waxen oyster]

yeah you dont need a key

you just wont get the bountiful chest

[soft surge]

you need a key for a map drop chance tho?

[waxen oyster]

well

[soft surge]

cant remember if the maps dropped from the regular blue chests

[waxen oyster]

i spammed weavers in one evening on my warrior to fill his vault

and got hit by zekvir one of them and dropped a map

[lone lantern]

yeah weekly vault drops hero track if you did tier 8 or higher

[waxen oyster]

knife was in the box end of the run

[soft surge]

well shit i gotta max delves again now

[waxen oyster]

so in theory yes you could just spam delves

and hope zekvir comes out during one

apparently thats a decent map drop chance

[soft surge]

im not so convinced knife is simming correctly

[dawn heath]

jesus

[soft surge]

maybe its sim bait idk

[dawn heath]

caustic was slamming this key

[soft surge]

thats caustic

[spice surge]

Technically it undersims because you can cloak off the debuff

[barren linden]

dont forgot sin dmg is more of sustain just like what knife does

plus agi > all

[soft surge]

hmm

[spice surge]

But the uptime of the debuff is so incredibly low, its literally just a stat stick

[rich ledge]

What am I doing wrong if garroote is my top damage overall…. 😞 first time rogue here kek

[barren linden]

but not worth the sweat for it. just do m+ lol

[waxen oyster]

realistically getting the knife debuff is only bad

[ionic fox]

is bubbling wax still bugged?

[waxen oyster]

during your cds

[dawn heath]

either not playing around casustic or the key is super duper low so u dont have time to do it

[soft surge]

which trinket combo would u use

skarynds myth track rest max hero

https://i.imgur.com/7ZJ8HFr.png

[barren linden]

im using egg + skardyn

[soft surge]

yea thats what iv been using

[barren linden]

thats fine no need sweat

[soft surge]

knife is max champion

[waxen oyster]

i mean i use knife

[barren linden]

spyglass prbly better if mob live long? idk

[dawn heath]

everyone and their grandpa has myth track skardyn

makes no sense

[soft surge]

spyglass sucks

[barren linden]

i said if mob live long

[rich ledge]

Was in a 4,

I know how to get the caustic buff, and usually have it up… just wondering how to best utilize it. I’m probably doing something wrong

[barren linden]

since splatter would do crit more often

[dawn heath]

ye sin is not good in super low keys

u have ramp up time

esp not if u play with frontloaded classes

[soft surge]

yea def not this week

[waxen oyster]

i mean knife is the best passive if equal ilvl

it just gives more stat

[soft surge]

ima sim it again

[storm forum]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[patent heart]

Is this wax worth getting

[drowsy hatch]

Only if you are very cheap

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/oU0jg9r.png there it is

[drowsy hatch]

But it is worse than whetstones and oil

[barren linden]

is ur egg 626?

[soft surge]

619 knife 0.4% gain

yea

got all m+ trinkets at max hero

[barren linden]

i think knife is better during lust but egg is great for 2nd cd

[waxen oyster]

I mean….

[spice surge]

Knife is just better

[waxen oyster]

technically crystal is best during lust

if you get a proc

[barren linden]

true

[waxen oyster]

[barren linden]

haha

[soft surge]

yea crystal is good

[waxen oyster]

knife is just the best at equal

[soft surge]

so a 626 knife woulld be wild

[silk sundial]

Did you try the sim with void reapers contract? It simmed better than same level Sac/Spyglass for me. Ovinax higher than those but I don't like standing still

[soft surge]

dont have one sadly

this was dungeon slice sim too btw

[spice surge]

Void reaper is mostly a ST trinket

[crisp walrus]

wait is knife just best

cause ive got a hero track one just sitting around in my bags

[soft surge]

brother

[crisp walrus]

got it like week 1 from my first and only map

lol i havent even bothered to put it into sims

[soft surge]

gas that knife up

[crisp walrus]

for m+ only or?

[barren linden]

sim lol

[soft surge]

pretty sure m+

[crisp walrus]

cause i JUST got my sacbrood

[silk sundial]

Oh yeah for m+ void reaper is really just a stat stick

[fleet crest]

bruh, im reading the guide on Wowhead on rogues as I'm leveling from 70-80 and I just dont know what I'm doing wrong lol

[waxen oyster]

Only reason to replace hero knife is myth track trinkets

[crisp walrus]

even for pure st?

[waxen oyster]

Look at the agi it gives

[crisp walrus]

i mean i will just sim for st

[waxen oyster]

compared to any other trinket

of equal ilvl

[crisp walrus]

huh

my 610 ilvl knife gives as much as my 626 void reaper

interesting

guess i'll be upgrading this then

[barren linden]

just sim it lol

[soft surge]

go upgrade it right now

[crisp walrus]

simming for dungeons is so cooked

[barren linden]

every character is different so just sim it

[crisp walrus]

thats why im asking

[waxen oyster]

the sim is gonna say knife

[soft surge]

mines 619 and sims bis with skardyns

[waxen oyster]

unless you have a myth of any proc trinket

[barren linden]

ur haste rating? im curious

[soft surge]

lwo

[waxen oyster]

has nothing to do with haste

[soft surge]

low under 10%

depending on buffs

[lyric coral]

i start playing assa 3 days ago the first issue i have on m+ ST i lose energy and end up afk xd what wrong i am doing ?

[soft surge]

in this delve https://i.imgur.com/lfe4hpF.jpeg

[waxen oyster]

agi is king

and knife just gives more agi

[slate crown]

Damage proc trinkets tend to be outscaled in aoe compared to stat trinkets. Knife gives a ton of stats compared to void reaper. This makes sense that in aoe knife would do more

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[soft surge]

haste dropped off heaps after 11.0.5

[coral ibex]

puggin 12's for the first time

this guy noticed me iron wire the caster

[soft surge]

dont bother with 12s. max out 11s and then do it again on a alt

and so on

[cerulean walrus]

[soft surge]

master multiple classes

[crisp walrus]

what if pushing 12s is fun? 😮

[soft surge]

lmaoooooooooooooooo

12s are not fun unless ur with buddies

[barren linden]

yeah if u dont like affix

[waxen oyster]

I would hardly call doing 11s mastery of a class

[crisp walrus]

^

[waxen oyster]

i wouldnt push without friends personally

[soft surge]

its a challange at least

[crisp walrus]

Just saw a guy doing 2.5m overall in a +15 dawnbreaker

[cerulean walrus]

I wouldn’t call 11s a challenge either

[crisp walrus]

i do 1.5m overall in m+

[cerulean walrus]

[crisp walrus]

i want to be like that guy

hes mastered this class

[barren linden]

kuush was doing almost 3m overall in grim 16+ XD

[crisp walrus]

i definitely havent

its like ??

how

[soft surge]

do they have augs

[ionic fox]

thats Aug

[crisp walrus]

yes alot of is aug

[barren linden]

without aug prbly 2.2m?

[crisp walrus]

but without aug he'd still be doing over 2m

yeah

`

[soft surge]

u wanna aim for 2mil if u have bis like gear

atleast

[barren linden]

its just u gonna know what give u the most dmg in aoe etc

[crisp walrus]

yes

[grave solar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Whispyr's Plater

[soft surge]

theres also like 3 diff builds depening on dungeon

[crisp walrus]

currently experimenting with how much i should be playing around spatter in mob packs and when to prio spreading bleeds, depending on pack size and mob health etc

[soft surge]

dont just use that wowhead hyrbid

[crisp walrus]

very hard

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor of the top of you head ROUGHLY how much st gain is TTK over Sanguine

[barren linden]

dot > splatter > dot > splatter. goes on

[crisp walrus]

not what i mean

[barren linden]

its updated if u havent see

[soft surge]

😮

[waxen oyster]

kush on the cursed

no iron wire tech

[cinder quartz]

#Blessed

[barren linden]

pug= must iron wire for sure but push with ur team, prbly no need

kuush run with prot pally so should be fine?

[thorn thorn]

Blizz took our bleed dam

[soft surge]

i wouldnt use iw in +10 pugs either

for vault keys

[coral ibex]

you wanna eat more bolts?

[soft surge]

just wanna slam dam

[crisp walrus]

iron wire feels very good for pugging

[drowsy hatch]

i mean even mdi was running it lol

[crisp walrus]

its very strong

[soft surge]

iw is ofc op but its a dmg loss

[barren linden]

MDI pulls 3-5 packs lol

so of course

[drowsy hatch]

i mean i agree with pushing

just not pug +10s

if youre pushing with a coordinated group yeah you dont need iw on mists and shit

[soft surge]

mists and db

[barren linden]

sanguine blade hurts your ST in boss tho?

[cinder quartz]

anyone tried cooking a no kingsbane build, i kinda wanna try one

[barren linden]

idk how much

[soft surge]

i wish

kingsbane is annoying

[cinder quartz]

kinda weird how we have like 2 buttons we can give ourselves in our entire spec tree (outside of deathmark because you wouldn't ever skip it)

meanwhile frost is like 6 buttons or something dumb

[barren linden]

so u want more buttons?

[cinder quartz]

frost has 10 buttons you can add in spec tree

i'm just saying there's really no alternative, you basically have to play kingsbane

[soft surge]

they gave us crimson tempest

shiv

[barren linden]

yea true enough, i missed your point

[soft surge]

there was less in bfa

[barren linden]

my egg 626 sims higher than my knife 619 in dungeon slice

[soft surge]

hmm

why

[barren linden]

idk im no expert lol

like i said every character is different

[soft surge]

show your stats

[barren linden]

only 0.2%

[soft surge]

oh 0.2% or bellow is irrelevant

[barren linden]

right lol

[subtle cipher]

what you guys would choose, 2 lethality or WaT? i keep switching between them :3

[waxen oyster]

honestly

fuck bonespike

[subtle cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/general-zod-heresy-man-of-steel-superman-destroy-it-gif-25934938

[quartz cobalt]

people switching off ascendance for m+?

ascension*

[subtle cipher]

what

[soft surge]

what the hell is WaT

[subtle cipher]

without a trace

[soft surge]

oh fuck that

this sims highest for me in m+ https://i.imgur.com/iH6815g.png

[subtle cipher]

idk, results were pretty nice with it too

[quartz cobalt]

looking at top wcl m+ players some are running blessed weapon grip

[cyan karma]

Are there conditions for this tricks of the trade macro to work? Like does the tank have to be in combat? I noticed times it wasn’t procing… like straight off the rip in a dungeon… but then it worked later on into it..

[soft surge]

actually i have not even simmed WaT

[subtle cipher]

i seemed higher with 2 lethality 1 sub

or WaT

[subtle cipher]

because they crafted dagger earlier

not worth it to recraft

[subtle cipher]

^

[quartz cobalt]

sweet

[waxen oyster]

idk it owns

[solar orbit]

What do we drop in favor of TTK for M+?

[subtle cipher]

fuck ttk

[solar orbit]

... oh

[soft surge]

can we get an acronym command

@balmy condor

[severe sparrow]

which version of the macro do you have? my 2 line one works and my 1 line version doesnt. also doesnt work on tanks if theyre mounted or stuff like that

[drowsy hatch]

pretty sure most people understand the acronyms

[subtle cipher]

we dont have one on wowhead guide?

[soft surge]

not me. only started rogue this expac

[severe sparrow]

ive never seen someone use WaT until this moment but i dont live here

as an acronym i mean

[soft surge]

lili lives here i think

[coral ibex]

why fuck ttk

lmao

its a good take in m+

[drowsy hatch]

literally been here for like 6 days

and started playing the game in df

xdd

[soft surge]

im despo searching for what ttk is

[coral ibex]

[soft surge]

oh twist the knife

[severe sparrow]

that one is talked about a lot as ttk. hot topic these days

[subtle cipher]

disgusting

[waxen oyster]

you can also drop the bonespike talents

doomblade sucks ass

[soft surge]

i guess its good in dawnbreaker

[shell lodge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[soft surge]

i miss when there was just wowheads hybrid m+ build

[cyan karma]

Now that I think about it, palli tank on his horse at the start of echos I think it may have been

[soft surge]

now there are 100 builds

[subtle cipher]

thats good

way better than just 1

[cyan karma]

Good to know

[barren linden]

^ havoc only have 2 build or 3

kekw

[soft surge]

i prefer 1

[subtle cipher]

you can play what you enjoy, its flexible to what playstyle you like

[dusk fox]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[subtle cipher]

without losing too much

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure havoc has 1 m+ build

[subtle cipher]

way better

[waxen oyster]

and 1 raid build

[soft surge]

never going to play what i enjoy i play what does most dam

[subtle cipher]

well, thats easy

[barren linden]

havoc can move 2 or 3 point around for m+

[subtle cipher]

sim your character

and run that build

gg

[waxen oyster]

which ones

no mover isnt real

[fresh kelp]

fel barrage rising up from the grave

[barren linden]

fel barrage, dancing with fate or blind flurry and inner demon

[waxen oyster]

💀

[barren linden]

my main is havoc so yea

[subtle cipher]

[waxen oyster]

isnt inner demon just a lazy man’s pick

if you dont want glaive tempest

[barren linden]

not really cuz of tier. u wanna chaos strike as much as u can to proc tier

GT is dipshit

[soft surge]

i mained havoc untill we had to use backflip in core rotation

[waxen oyster]

Thats been most of havoc’s existence

besides bfa

[soft surge]

bfa was the golden era of havoc

[waxen oyster]

*braindead era

[dry dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[subtle cipher]

even evoker has 3 builds

[soft surge]

no you use your movement to outplay mechs

[subtle cipher]

and dh still with 2

lmao

[waxen oyster]

”outplay mechs”

[subtle cipher]

specs*

[waxen oyster]

golden era of havoc was legion

[barren linden]

dude, havoc is so easy trust me

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/9YaROtF.png the golden era

[waxen oyster]

that era was an abomination

💀

[strange python]

someone told me the other day that there was a way to sim on raidbots, using different color gems for each slot compared to using the same gem, that it would do it automatically, anyone know how this is done?

[waxen oyster]

borrowed power weewoo

[soft surge]

it was a beautiful time to be a demon

[barren linden]

yeah dh relies on borrowed power too much XD

[subtle cipher]

select the gems you want to sim

[waxen oyster]

was bound to happen with 3x furious gaze

and overwhelming

[strange python]

i did, no matter what, its all 1 flat gem. my friend said that its incorrect because using different gems in each slot should be better

[barren linden]

click the diamond gem then click the box (always use 4)

[solar orbit]

Why are we playing TotT instead of blackjack?

[barren linden]

it has 2 box, click both

[soft surge]

i remember fitting like 4 deathsweeps in a eyebeem window

[strange python]

add up to 4?

[barren linden]

i said diamond gem

[shell lodge]

didnt the weakaura for assa used to track CT on the main bar

is there an easy way to get it back

[barren linden]

so scroll down

[strange python]

ohh this

?

[barren linden]

yep

[strange python]

COOL ty!

[barren linden]

then click all gem that has good stats for u, u can also add orange gem if u want but it doesnt sim good for me

[strange python]

sounds good, didnt know that box even existed so ty

[drowsy hatch]

its a utility option, tricks to help tanks with aggro and not get slapped, blackjack if you dont feel you need that and prefer the dr

your choice = )

[barren linden]

yeah depend on tank.

[soft surge]

black jack so good but i think tanks want the tricks

[barren linden]

3k io dont want tot im sure lol

[soft surge]

with all this burst going on atm

they use it

pretty sure the highest io guys use tricks

[limber lion]

Nothing beats 8.3 Fire Mage though. That shit was so much fun

Probably the most fun I've had in the gamr

[soft surge]

borrowed power is good

[barren linden]

yeah if farm is not insane

[soft surge]

we getting some ring next patch thats powerful

[opaque sigil]

Sudden Demise is not being simmed right? Apart from 10% bleed damage
Already away from PC but just wanted to confirm

[spice surge]

It is not

Because theres no way to approximate it well

[lavish geyser]

do we not wanna craft a weapon at all? or just not siphoning stiletto?

[solar orbit]

Man, my champion knife is simming higher than my hero sacbrood lol

[barren linden]

u do want 636 weapon if u dont have 639

[blazing pumice]

weapon is bis first craft, not siphon

[lavish geyser]

yeah that was what I was thinking

[barren linden]

its same for any class, any spec, any role

[soft surge]

siphon lel

[lavish geyser]

it was just this :

like the prio

[soft surge]

wowhead is mostly wrong

no offence to whispyr

[lavish geyser]

dude

whispyr wrote it, isnt he kinda the assa guy?

[strange python]

how impactful is skardyns grace?

[balmy condor]

lightz is just a giga hater for no fucking reason

[opaque sigil]

Ye, that’s what I remember thanks.
How much is it higher key? Like 3-4% overall?
Did anybody recently run 12+ with SD talented?

[blazing pumice]

that guide is a bit off on a few points

[balmy condor]

do you have a transmitter

[blazing pumice]

if you have myth track pieces, it's better to upgrade them than craft pieces

[lavish geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/wish-you-were-here-miss-gif-26466200

[strange python]

yes i do

[west crown]

Objectively false

[balmy condor]

then probably not an upgrade at same ilvl

they're roughly equal

skardyns is just easier to use

[lavish geyser]

idk im just getting started on my rogue, had it for the first 2 weeks then went to dh, so i dont rly have any myth crafts. But I do have a ton of mythic crests

[barren linden]

isnt skardyns ahead in aoe situation?

[strange python]

ah, transmitter is champion track, so maybe skardyns is better, ill sim

[balmy condor]

craft a weapon then yeh

[balmy condor]

generally yes

[soft surge]

no mention of writhing amour band 🤔

[solar orbit]

Is sacbrood bad nowadays or is knife just busted? max champion vs max hero and knife still simms higher

[lavish geyser]

what hurts the most is just crafting the weapon, how do you guys make gold? just boosting?

[soft surge]

which sims highest with ascendence in all situations

[barren linden]

all situation? hahaha no

[waxen oyster]

they should give me a comm fee

[barren linden]

u lose stacks in m+

[waxen oyster]

anytime someone buys something off ah

on my bruto

[balmy condor]

bro will you fuck off

[waxen oyster]

[strange python]

what is knife?

[soft surge]

🥺

[balmy condor]

god

[lavish geyser]

this is probaganda clearly. all fake news. This has been written by ai. Nothing is real

[balmy condor]

the guide is wrong

[strange python]

i bet he wont post his logs

[balmy condor]

doesn't read it

doesn't know whats in it

still shit

[solar orbit]

a trinket from delve, shadow binding ritual knife

[drowsy hatch]

prob logs fine, doesnt account for brain though

[soft surge]

wowhead is the god emperor of all

[drowsy hatch]

bigger number doesnt make better person

[soft surge]

classes have no nuance at all

[strange python]

ohhh - i see this on a lot of subtlety users

[balmy condor]

it isn't but you're literally only in here to talk shit about my guide what is your fucking problem

who shows up to someone's work without knowing shit

[soft surge]

im not i like you and ur plater

[balmy condor]

and goes "yeah this sucks"

[solar orbit]

its busted, you get lots of agility very frequently

[lavish geyser]

btw I see sometimes, casual not having high uptime for crimson tempes, on some packs. Like the kiting pack in mists, where we pick up the agi buff that lasts 10 min. Is it just cause its not that significant? seems very good for aoe

[soft surge]

your plate is brilliant

[barren linden]

you did lol, u gonna give some good points first

[loud light]

the wowhead guide is not the place to try to express nuance to whoever goes there for their first intro to the spec and just wants to know WHAT DO I DO

[drowsy hatch]

"hey whispyr fuck you for writing the most comprehensive assa rogue guide on the internet currently but thanks"

[west crown]

[soft surge]

never said that

[lavish geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-corn-eating-funny-eat-food-gif-17238418

[glass ice]

Currently we are using the 2x vanish build for m+ right?

[west crown]

It’s a good option and suggested

[barren linden]

i suggest you to sim, i got a few different. I copied Kussh build. its just that some build is better at ST and some better at AoE etc

[balmy condor]

you might like me but rest assured the feeling is not mutual cause you every time I see you in here you've done nothing but get on my nerves and insult my work while being just incorrect or not reading the actual guide, which makes it impossible for me to have any respect for you

[strange python]

whats that saying? whispyr learned how to walk so he could teach us how to run

[lavish geyser]

@balmy condor I really liked your m+ guide, the hella long one. is it still relevant? since I seemeed like you concluded that 2x vanish wasnt rly worth it. 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeah then they insano buffed master assassin and subterfuge

it's good now

[barren linden]

true enough

[valid pulsar]

It’s good so you can get the free garrotes right?

[balmy condor]

the concepts are still all relevant, but the talents/builds have changed

[lavish geyser]

damn ok, where do I find the build? I just copied this one from wowhead.

[barren linden]

its for master assassin

[balmy condor]

wowhead's updated

[drowsy hatch]

it is updated

[novel star]

copy the new build from wowhead

[valid pulsar]

Mmm ok

[novel star]

[glass ice]

wowhead changed the builds aswell, this one is outdated

[lavish geyser]

I did it yesterday, perhaps I missed it

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

it was already subterfuge yesterday i’m pretty sure

maybe we have different definitions of yesterday

yesterday could mean last week if you open your mind

[west crown]

Master Assassin, carnage, chain pulling tanks. WaT is good now

[lavish geyser]

huh.

[humble verge]

do yall sim better with spyglass over sacbrood?

[valid pulsar]

Ty

[drowsy hatch]

just cause the whole subt thing has been in pins for a while

[lavish geyser]

I started learning asssa yesterday 🙂 idk how I ended up with this build, but it was just a copy and paste from wowhead

[balmy condor]

idk either

but that's the old stuff

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttNzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzYGMzMbbLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwyA

try that

[novel star]

yea maybe browser scuffed

[drowsy hatch]

yeah I cant find the old one anywhere

[lavish geyser]

perhaps

well

im rocking the new one now

[drowsy hatch]

not like the old one is bad

but yeah this gud

[novel star]

i still feel wrong playing double vanish

[lavish geyser]

ye, now I just wanna learn how to use vanish ig

[novel star]

even though it’s not wrong anymore

[lavish geyser]

is it just to spread bleeds?

[glass ice]

also

[barren linden]

its hard to use any cd in low key

[balmy condor]

yeah hold it for aoe/iron wire

[west crown]

TTK vs. SD? Something change?

[balmy condor]

on bosses you would want to vanish to reapply improved garrote for deathmarks and get crit for your kingsbane

[lavish geyser]

i mean yeah for now its just 10s. But I wanna go higher. just need to learn the spec a little better 🙂

[balmy condor]

ttk more single target, SD for execute

I can't include every single talent swap

[humble verge]

did some 10 AK with a dh, couldnt even get up my deeps before he killed everything almost wanted to just swap to SD D:

[lavish geyser]

so when do you wanna use vanish now?

[barren linden]

yeah just learn how to spread fast then focus on spatter

[balmy condor]

yeah hold it for aoe/iron wire
on bosses you would want to vanish to reapply improved garrote for deathmarks and get crit for your kingsbane

[lavish geyser]

yeah that is the thing, sometimes I forget in opener to get splatter up, just cause I need to get soo much sttuff up

ok, that makes alot of sense 🙂

[loud light]

vanish lets you: 1) proc master assassin crit, 2) apply a bunch of iron wire imp garrotes, 3) reapply a lost deathstalker mark, 4) sometimes cheese mechanics

so in dungeons theres some personal choice there

[barren linden]

dot=ramp. mutilate to apply spatter when u are done with ramp.

[novel star]

vanishing grim batol first boss rock thing

[humble verge]

im wondering if i should swap out leth for double vanish or not

[drowsy hatch]

do it I dare you

[cyan karma]

Love doing that

Also shadowmeld it

[lyric stirrup]

I double dog dare u to

[barren linden]

test it to see if u like it

[novel star]

idk lethality is kinda beans after the fix

so u can do either

[barren linden]

double vanish can be good with disc too for some heal etc

[novel star]

doesn’t really matter

[royal lantern]

imagine using vanish for something that is not dmg

actually disgusting behaviour

[balmy condor]

I don't have anything to add but seeing you get pinged 4 times is funny

[novel star]

it lines up with the opener

[lavish geyser]

would I then use vanish the second Im done with opener? like in aoe

[barren linden]

when tank chain pull

[novel star]

first rock application thing and when u would normally vanish

based boss

[royal lantern]

mate

its a dumb comment that you should not take seriously

[barren linden]

or pack with lot casters that tank just chained pull etc. its all about knowing dungeon

[humble verge]

was just a suggestion

[barren linden]

knowing whats dangerous etc etc etc

[cyan karma]

It’s damage loss running to the side and back again though

[balmy condor]

but yeh it's really just preference tbh

[novel star]

i’m gonna stop typing in here man i keep being late to reply

everyone beats me

[dapper cradle]

Been trynna play sub bros

[novel star]

washed up

[dapper cradle]

Mental in shambles

[novel star]

L

[lavish geyser]

holy

im doing like a mil more dps with subterfuge, it rly makes alot of sense 🙂

[humble verge]

ill try it in a 10

and see how it fares

[lavish geyser]

plus it kinda feels like outlaw in the sense we use vanish for big dam

[dapper cradle]

I be feeling like i’m doing a shadow clone jutsu in sub opener

I keep yelling domain expansion bros

[lavish geyser]

bro did you just cross over 2 different shows...

[dapper cradle]

Sub got me fucked up bro

[lavish geyser]

illegal

XD

[dusk fox]

I feel like my caustic splatter dmg is so low, I always see it on other assa rogues as top dmg but its hardly ever top for me. Am i not using enough muts? my opening on a pack is gar->gar->rup->gar->gar->rup into mut->envenom on main target.

[lavish geyser]

but since we have 2 charged do I just send both of em, or try to keep it going throughout the whole dungeon, so Im not at a point where I dont have vanish

[barren linden]

what key?

[dusk fox]

this was 11gb

[balmy condor]

depends on the dungeon and the route, generally as long as you're not overcapping charges you're fine

[lavish geyser]

cool, good to know

[barren linden]

i noticved 1 thing that garrote will be high in grim if u kept using it to silence casters. idk if its good idea but u helps team anyways.

[drowsy hatch]

yeah but I doubt it should be 60m dmg over splatter

[dapper cradle]

Garrote beating caustic

[drowsy hatch]

that's CRAZY garrote dmg

[barren linden]

yeah it happened to me once or twice

in grim tho

[glass ice]

if you have logs from dungeons just copy the link to wowanalyzer, it shows the efficiency of major CDs

[lavish geyser]

dont have an account to upload logs, I just get my friend to do it.

[glass ice]

and from then you can figure it out

[barren linden]

still good idea to do it urself so that u can improve urself instead of relies on others

[lavish geyser]

I noticed alot of ppl simmed in DF, idk why I havent gotten any sims from teammates in tww. So Ig yeah, i guess ill have to do it myself

[dawn heath]

talents are very up in the air right now i don't think i've seen casual, kush, tundra or speed either of them play double vanish though

only zerocool which has always been double vanish

even when ER existed

[balmy condor]

yeh well they're also dropping iron wire

which I just simply cannot be putting into the wowhead guide

[novel star]

Ik

i just mean its not -7% wrong

[dawn heath]

for like half of the duengons yep cause u need it for more damage

when wire isn't needed

[west crown]

WaT >> dropping IW

[dawn heath]

in GB/SV/NW you can't drop wire

the other duengons u can get away with it

requires more cordination from the group though

[drowsy hatch]

its about the guide

[dawn heath]

its always nice to have that talent

[drowsy hatch]

the guide isnt for people who have a group coordinated enough to both justify that and doing a key where that damage increase is actually necessary

thats why we have here if people like to talk about more advanced things = )

[humble verge]

curious if i even should just 626 this and replace my champion kukri...

doesnt even sim that much higher in offhand : (

[balmy condor]

offhand sucks yeh

mostly just a stat stick

[humble verge]

was thinking about just trying to make myself 630 for the fun of it but

prolly not even worth to use the crests

[fallen arch]

Bro this game is cooked

I'm 628 ilvl

[humble verge]

no invites? :D

[fallen arch]

And I cant solo a level 8 Kriegval's rest

[humble verge]

oh

[fallen arch]

The white swings in the ambush

[humble verge]

rip

[fallen arch]

Peak game play

[humble verge]

i dont even do delves no more

[fallen arch]

Me neither

[humble verge]

is there any benefit like at all

[fallen arch]

I thought I'd try one

[humble verge]

well

[fallen arch]

For fun

[humble verge]

in case you get the candle?

[fallen arch]

It tilted me the fuck out

[drowsy hatch]

Hero knife mostly

[humble verge]

candle is for some reason good idk

[fallen arch]

Absolute dog shit game mechanics

You walk in

a group of 4 mobs just white swings you to death

ggs

ty blizz

[humble verge]

sadge

[fallen arch]

cant cc, cant run away, cant heal

[humble verge]

kriegval

idk if ive ever done that one

[fallen arch]

its the one with the candle

[humble verge]

where is it

ohhh

yeah fuc kthat

[fallen arch]

u have to hold the candle to not lose health

Which you cannot drop btw when ur alone

[humble verge]

true

[fallen arch]

for some reason

[humble verge]

wait

you dont get a new one?

[fallen arch]

You get new ones

[humble verge]

or wait no

thats on the boss

i guess

[fallen arch]

There's no boss, its just an ambush that kills u at the end

and thats it

[humble verge]

jeez, spending 165 crests+gold just for 40k more deeps.

man im cooked

[fallen arch]

This game is cooked

time for a brake