assassination

[uneven plume]

whats the CT uptime we aim for in m+?

[balmy condor]

no, you play CT

[proper nest]

is there a way to stop having tea auto proc or do you really have to be careful with not dropping below 30 energy?

[coral ibex]

idk i have like 50-60% usually

depends how much of your keys are just bosses

oh i was looking at crit rate

its more like 60-70% uptime

[balmy condor]

you either are careful to not drop below 30

or you just ignore it entirely and auto proc it

cause it doesn't really matter

[proper nest]

okey

[polar rampart]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sand briar]

does atrophic poison stack with devo aura from palys?

[stray adder]

skibidi rizz

I just ran another one

[spice spire]

Any luck

[stray adder]

no sir

25th of the week

[grim glen]

Is there a WA thet yells at me, if i would drop below 30 energy? Or does it overall just not matter much?

[stray adder]

doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

One is a buff the other is a debuff, so yeh

[sand briar]

bet thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure lol

[runic hinge]

Definitely the next one

[weary spear]

how tf does cloak still not work on heaving wretch in NW

[novel star]

god i hope we get mdi chatters joining here to ask stupid shit

[weary spear]

absurd

[novel star]

you evasion that

or use the first second of cloak

both work

early cloak does not tho

[weary spear]

nature damage tho?

[novel star]

yes

doesnt matter

its coded as an attack

game is dogshit

evasion dodges it

but first sec cloak also works

[spice spire]

I love necrotic wake

[runic hinge]

That’s what I call my toilet after the weekend

[novel star]

caustic spatter

[stray adder]

green bust

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[novel star]

i call my toilet caustic splatter

one time the spatter splatter typo is actually fine

[stray adder]

quake how do you call your toilet after 4 scoops of mass gainer

[spice spire]

I’ve never had mass gainer in my life

[stray adder]

dont

[bronze pike]

i love grimbutthole

[spice spire]

It’s a long while before I’m needing that

But give me a protein shit

Had plenty of those

[stray adder]

it's probably that but x 10

[spice spire]

Yeah miss me w that

[stray adder]

hahaha

[spice spire]

Protein shits are the worst

Can’t imagine worse

[stray adder]

it gets radioactive

your toilet turns into chernobyl

[spice spire]

I’m actually very vanilla in things I take.
I just started creatine like.
In June?
And protein powder.
That’s it, nonpreworkout.
Nothing

[spice spire]

Damn I normally call it Nagasaki

Oh and ofc a daily vitamin

[drifting cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510063280967122975/1299278283585753098/c58f873beb718c8b858c7b0f5601e0c1.mp4?ex=67213bf2&is=671fea72&hm=8d0f2f1bb1d428dbe86abf1a0cee57c77c940a08783936764949f07d219a8096&

[stray adder]

I take creatine, magnesium and pre-workout

I can't take protein shake sadly

[spice spire]

Okay I laughed very hard at that

God I love Ronnie Coleman

[spice spire]

Magnesium

Yeah I have to do protein shakes tho.
Have to have a weird dietary bit.
2700 calories daily is like a 400 calorie deficit, which i offset for gains with like 200+g of protein a day

[vague raft]

hi im a sub refuge and don't know how to play Sin but have to play it for prog. I have like 2 questions:

I'm assuming you want >15s on rupture before going into Kingsbane, but sometimes I'll have like 10s left on rupture right before I'm about to press my CDs, should I refresh, even though it's outside of pandemic to not have to refresh during CDs or? does this mean I made a mistake earlier? or do you just refresh inside Kingsbane?

Also is vanish used for garrote or ambush? sims showed to use on ambush, but I thought the guide showed to use on garrote during pandemic window in opener

[stray adder]

Yeah I need it otherwise I get shitty sleep

it improved my recovery tremendously

[spice spire]

Yes refresh .
And ambush is only for deathstalker to set marks. If you don’t you don’t have a veto power plus with imp garrote, you can still have the empowered after

After marks are set it’s just for MA/imp garrote

Sorry reread first

[vague raft]

oh, I just read imp garrote, it lasts for 6s after breaking like subterfuge

[spice spire]

Refresh in pandemic

[vague raft]

i need to track that

lmao

[spice spire]

You get max kb stacks quick

It’s not make or break if you rupture mid kb

[vague raft]

okay, so it doesn't matter that I have to refresh in kb?

just refresh in pandemic?

[spice spire]

Yeah just keep your rotation going

[vague raft]

kk

[spice spire]

Yessir

[vague raft]

ty

[spice spire]

Enjoy king and gn homies

[vague raft]

and there are no weird conditionals with Clear the Witnesses right?

[coral ibex]

just make sure you have envenom rolling prior to kb

[vague raft]

just send the proc whenver?

Sub has some weird "don't use in SoD" type beat

wanna make sure Sin doesn't have something like that

[coral ibex]

just dont overwrite it by holding it for an entire cycle

or drop it entirely

[vague raft]

would there ever be a reason to mutiliate over clear the witness proc if it's up?

[coral ibex]

yes, when you're talented into vicious venoms

[vague raft]

i am not

for kyveza

so no in my case?

[coral ibex]

then no, you always use your ctw proc

[vague raft]

kk ty

[crisp stream]

i have a maybe dumb question, why i cant apply whetstone on weapons?

only mana oil shows eligible

[coral ibex]

did you buy a whetstone or weighstone

[hardy prairie]

"maintain envenom buff without wasting uptime" - does this mean to envenom only when the buff is about to fall off? i dont get the concept of envenom uptime

[crisp stream]

weightstones*

[coral ibex]

weighstones are for blunt weapons

[crisp stream]

fak

[full orchid]

how is the nerf? harmful??

[keen spruce]

wat? are you CTing in ST?

[coral ibex]

oh i always CT bosses when the affix comes up

do they not count as targets?

[keen spruce]

oh i do

when there's orbies out

idk if it works

but it feelsl ike it works

[coral ibex]

yea

[keen spruce]

but ig I was talking about higher keys

[coral ibex]

also in like ara kara

[keen spruce]

I'm like 30-35%

[coral ibex]

you can ct when the bloods are around

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

lots of ways to scam CT uptime on bosses this season

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eager plaza]

Do you guys tab target spread your garrotes and ruptures in IC window or just stay on the main target and spread that way?

[buoyant mortar]

Less than or equal to 5 targets no, over 6 targets - yes if I can be bothered.

[stray adder]

get to 5 ruptures for SoB stacks and start abusing caustic spatter

[eager plaza]

So I’m not gimping my damage if I wanna stay one target in aoe when spreading?

[hexed frost]

Depends on pack size.

Small pack (3-5) - just spam onbthetmain target and let it spread.

Big pack (5+) - spread garrotes and ruptures

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[runic hinge]

Hope that helps

[eager plaza]

It did, thank you!!

[keen spruce]

I never swap

you lose a couple of ruptures in mass AoE but it's not that big of a deal. if you're comfy with mouse over it's a good way to spread to targets w/o bleeds

[weary fox]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[delicate magnet]

so what's the consensus on dropping Sudden Demise and Supercharger for Master Assassin and Subterfuge?

woops, didn't see pinned message pretty much answers this question

[hardy prairie]

do the adds on Rash get logged in H and M now ?

[prisma sundial]

could anyone do a quick review on my logs from earlier today? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w9xFzL8JHRcNC4XV#fight=33&type=damage-done

[low kernel]

yep

[grim jay]

@spice spire

And GM dog if you read it

[soft surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[vivid elbow]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[hollow talon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[west crown]

Yes iirc

[deft vault]

wouldnt it be better to macro cold blood to envenom in fatebound compared to kingsbane?

[west crown]

Deathstalker > Fatebound. Can’t comment

[deft vault]

Fatebound sims higher

[grim jay]

Its also more rng

Less defensives

Less dmg with adds

Ttk afaik still bit optimized

And you flip coins

[honest needle]

If you land on 5 combopoint do u finish or mut more time for 7 in m+

[deft vault]

you dont have less defensive as fatebound

[mystic crest]

Do have darkest night up yes, if no fin on 5+

[hollow radish]

Anyone experienced bugs with corrupt the blood pulling extra mobs? Just bricked my 12 GB with this

[jovial idol]

You lose Evasion

As magic damage reduction

Which is huge

[deft vault]

u gain a passive damage reduction tho

[honest needle]

@mystic crest i feel like dark night is always up after the first pack usually isnt it ?

isnt it always on taget unless it falls off

[mystic crest]

Then finish on 7 to proc mark then back to 5+

[honest needle]

@mystic crest once u ambush isnt the mark alwyas active the ddark night stuff

[mystic crest]

Most the time it is but sometimes u might have to ambush again to get mark back up

But if u have the buff u send 7cp envenom to get mark back up

[honest needle]

@mystic crest do u let it land to 7 naturally or if your at 6 do u finish or overcap

if dark night is rdy

[mystic crest]

force to 7

so if ur at 6 build again

[honest needle]

got it

ty

and we wait to use kingsbane and vanish when dark night is active ?

or no

[mystic crest]

u dont need to vanish if darkest night is up

vanish if playing master assassin near the end of kb or reapplying improved garrote

[fast mural]

!builds

[west crown]

it "sims higher" at bis. not for everyone

[knotty canopy]

As top Rogues still play different m+ talents, whats our best setup for m+? Or are we still in the testing Phase?

[strange python]

Hey rogues

how we doin today

[balmy prism]

wishing my hpal alt was stronger so I didn't have to sweat as much tryna heal

[deft vault]

its like 1-2% ahead for me rn

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-wink-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-7779535681814001194

[grim jay]

Yeah and its way worse

[grim jay]

Multiple

They are just slightly different in profile

[knotty canopy]

Ye kinda looking for an explanaition what loadout fits what Situation best for m+

[fast mural]

Can anyone link the Fatebound raid talents?

[brisk forge]

Its on wowhead

[grim jay]

Sudden demise ultimately is better on lower keys and has more aoe, same for sanguine blades, while ttk has more prio/st. Subter is just better if you run MA instead of either of those

[knotty canopy]

Kk thx, lf best Talents for 14+ but i guess its ma + ttk

For bonespike

[grim jay]

I personally prefer

Overall ye

[subtle tundra]

if you want sbs, yea

some dungeons are really good for sbs

uwu

[honest needle]

i think i like m+ build without ma just the original bybrid

[grim jay]

Every dungeon is good for sbs

owo

[subtle tundra]

thats great

i like MA with subterfuge a lot!

[lusty kraken]

I don't understand how people can enjoy assa in m+, fighting a boss in ST is awful

[subtle tundra]

it is awful!

[honest needle]

i like it to but i messup the kingsbane with it and i never kno if should use the vanish on imrpoved garrote for my 2nd charge or not

[lusty kraken]

not only you are energy starved, but you also have to make sure you don't proc your thistle tea

absolutely disgusting

[honest needle]

y dont u want to proc your tea on boss fights in m+ ?

[subtle tundra]

if you dont know how to use 2nd charge of vanish, dont play that easy

always use vanish for MA and deathmark

=> simple

[grim jay]

Not proccing tea requires 2 braincells

[quiet oar]

FOr a 0.2% gain

[grim jay]

And the ST is basically how sin usually plays

[quiet oar]

Its literally whatever kind of

[lusty kraken]

nah bro the raid build plays much smoother than the m+ build

[grim jay]

Its just slightly faster which isnt even the norm for sin

[subtle tundra]

problem is, bcs all of our dmg is envenom in st and we are starved all the time in m+ we have dogass ST

whenever theres any adds on boss i crank

boss dmg and all

[honest needle]

@subtle tundra so with the 2nd charge i cant use it for improved garrote ?

[grim jay]

Idk my ST seemed pretty fine with the subter MA ttk builds

[subtle tundra]

but PURE st its dogass

[subtle tundra]

idk what that means big dawg

[honest needle]

cant i just use it to spam garrotes to apply to the mobs ?

so i get dots on them faster >

[subtle tundra]

you can yes

if they dont have dots

[honest needle]

say a tank chain pulls and u cant go stealth]

shouldnt i use the vanish for that ?

with the ma build

[subtle tundra]

usually yes

[honest needle]

and with ma and subter mobs die fast and if u have to wait for ic to end before u vanish to make ma work with kb the mobs are basically dead by the time ic runs out

[subtle tundra]

thats the normal usage of vanish

[subtle tundra]

do higher keys

[honest needle]

im doing 10s-11s

right now

[subtle tundra]

if mobs dont survive then you cant minmax

and play properly

well it doesnt matter what level it is

ive had packs die before my kb finished in 14

[honest needle]

so maybe ma for 12s and higher and just hybrid build for 10s n 11s

or it dont matter ?

[subtle tundra]

if anything MA is better

[honest needle]

but that is correct right u need to wait for ic to end before u kingsbane into vanish correct ?

[fast mural]

@subtle tundra What's your build in 14-15s?

[honest needle]

or did i understand that wrong

[subtle tundra]

you dont get MA if you vanish while you have MA already\

but you can use kingsbane

why would that matter

[honest needle]

because some 1 said this

If you don't have MA up and KB has 12s left, then you press Vanish
[4:59 PM]
If you have MA up already and KB is up, wait for the MA to end first
[4:59 PM]
then you vanish to continue the MA

so im trying to understand it

[grizzled geyser]

he just means send kingsbane anyway, but in scenario 2 you just wait for the ma to end and then vanish

[subtle tundra]

i dont get what the confusion is

that info is correct

thats what i said

[honest needle]

ya i kno but i understand easier when i see a rotation guide with a timeline like wowhead has

and it dont have it for ma build

only shows the hybrid build

[subtle tundra]

yes cause whispyr is not an AI to generate all of that at a button press

you can check logs and see

timeline

[grim jay]

MA is no witchcraft either

[snow kindle]

what trinkets we usin for m+

[subtle tundra]

and also whispyr is not gonna make a visual to how to play around a bug

[honest needle]

im still using knife and anub i dont have grim batol trinket yet

[weary holly]

skardyns+x

[subtle tundra]

also you would still not vanish if you had MA up, even if not bugged

to maximize its uptime

[honest needle]

im trying to decide between anub trinket and arakara trinket

[subtle tundra]

its just intuitive

[honest needle]

they both sim differently everytime i sim

[subtle tundra]

what is the anub trinket

[weary holly]

crystal from dawn?

[honest needle]

ya

[subtle tundra]

thats a crystal

aaa

[fast mural]

Skardyn with 626 Crystal or 639 Spyglass?

[honest needle]

crystal id say

[balmy prism]

spyglass most likely

[honest needle]

that crystal trinket is nice

[subtle tundra]

so is spyglass

[balmy prism]

so is spyglass

[subtle tundra]

THATS MY LINE

[balmy prism]

STOP IT

[honest needle]

i got spyglass it dont sim good for me at all

[fast mural]

Spyglass and pray for Main target?

[honest needle]

sompared to crysta knife and arackara trinkets

[balmy prism]

I mean yeah if you're simming ST the sacbrood will win out

but in m+ it's kinda doodoo except for bosses

[honest needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bcU2CEA3pGh76NrnH22KeK

ya i dont use it for m+

im debating between those 2 builds

[grim jay]

Gear dependent

[balmy prism]

True

[grim jay]

They are all really close in st

[honest needle]

what build is better for bosses in m+ hybrid or ma build ?

[subtle tundra]

let me get my spreadsheet

[grim jay]

Personally subter MA ttk

[balmy prism]

you can drop sanguine for ttk @honest needle

[honest needle]

can u link me that build with ttk

[subtle tundra]

assa has 20 million billion builds

just play something

[balmy prism]

supacharga

ew subter enjoyers ew

[subtle tundra]

wtf?

]

supercharger? how can you like that

adds 0 gameplay

[honest needle]

who me

[subtle tundra]

gameplay > no gameplay

subterfuge + MA goes hard

[balmy prism]

my 7.5m envenom crits make brain happy

brrrr

[subtle tundra]

stay bad

erm

what

[honest needle]

drop what sanguin blades ?

[subtle tundra]

WHO SAID THAT

[balmy prism]

hmmmm

I'm too old to not have ambush and mutilate on the same keybind

so if I play subter i have to have an extra keybind

[honest needle]

@subtle tundra what am i dropping for ttk sanguin blades or sanguin strat ?

[subtle tundra]

my cock man

[fast mural]

Does this build sucks ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1sjUUzuhDcyk24GrhP8sKF

[honest needle]

huh

[balmy prism]

sanguine blades day

[subtle tundra]

its the first time ever i see someone want to drop 7cp

though im curious...

[balmy prism]

secret tech unlocked

[subtle tundra]

true

we drop ct aswell

and uh

gg

just play bleed build tbh

why adhere to the norm

play the fun

try it out

[thin plinth]

Hi guys, i've been struggling to make the numbers other people on yt and twitch are doing. im lookin at people like this one guy 'zerocool' at 625 ilvl he does like 7/8 mil aoe., im 623 and struggle to go over 4 mil at the most.

thats my charakter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vQzzvP9w7xpvyQxPQc13vt

[subtle tundra]

20 mil sudden demise on 1target goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[balmy prism]

is he playing with an aug?

[subtle tundra]

most likely button press issue

[thin plinth]

no

[subtle tundra]

not gear issue

[balmy prism]

are you playing the exact same pulls? can't compare apples to oranges

same group comp?

[subtle tundra]

also youre not playing subterfuge MA which is more burst aoe

🤓

but overall

its a button press issue

[thin plinth]

Comps are usually random, but i compare same dungeons always

i usually open with ambush - 2x garrote - 2x rupture and then just pop deathmark, kingsbane, tea and start spamming envenoms

[subtle tundra]

do you even CT

[thin plinth]

Ah yes also ct

[subtle tundra]

also it doesnt matter what you say you do

what you actually do matters

[thin plinth]

true

[solar wyvern]

This may sound like a silly question, but what flask do y'all use? For raid ST, cleave, and M+?

[balmy prism]

chaos in raid

[solar wyvern]

I've just been brainoff alch chaos in raid and mastery in m+

[balmy prism]

and mastery in m+ cause cheap

[solar wyvern]

Damn I'm gaming correctly lets go

Intuition payed off

[balmy prism]

oh don't take what I say as truth lol I'm just a boomer pressing envenom

[solar wyvern]

[balmy prism]

but, most stats are gewd for us so I guess chaos in m+ would make sense too

[subtle tundra]

it is probably better

mastery is better for aoe, alchemical for st

depends on dungeon which is better, who cares though

just use a flask

[balmy prism]

just wait to pull packs until mastery procs

5head

[wide sand]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shadow badger]

!rupture

anyone got the rupture mouseover macro

[grizzled geyser]

its in the wowhead sub guide macro section if youre still looking

[shadow badger]

thx

[grim jay]

Totally not needed btw

Dont force yourself if you dont really want it

[grim jay]

Alchemical should still be overall better bcs of the potion ig

[cobalt sphinx]

i am wishing everyone an ocarina tuesday tomorrow

[shrewd night]

Take that back

[loud tusk]

So outlaw is now meta in raid and. M+?

[blazing pumice]

lol no

[peak lake]

theyre always oversimming

[loud tusk]

Ah ok, Im playing assa

[peak lake]

theyre top 3 sim mono since launch of TWW

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/when-u-see-ur-mum-bring-in-dino-nuggies-gif-23236695

[dawn heath]

anyone else having issues to do enough damage on third boss in NW? we're struggling to kill him my damage is abit mediocre to that boss. it seems like i lose my deathmark when the boss jumps up

I was thinking about maybe swapping to double vanish master assasin to make sure i have mark for when he comes down again

[oak tangle]

que?

how does vanish affect mark

[dawn heath]

when he jumps away

it dissapears

[grizzled geyser]

because he could ambush again is what he is saying

[oak tangle]

he said deathmark though

[grizzled geyser]

yes?

he means dsm

[oak tangle]

thats a 2 minute cd boss

[shrewd night]

[grizzled geyser]

obv

[dawn heath]

ah ye

[wooden kiln]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

DSM ye

i mean you could in theory bounce it to the add but then that would require 3 finishers to bounce it back to boss

thats not really practical

[oak tangle]

what level key are we talking

[dawn heath]

15

we only got the boss to 35% when he jumped off then we got overwhelmed and died to double add kinda

it got abit chaotic

so i gotta find a way to do more damage burst

i guess MA TTK and double vanish would be good for that boss?

[grizzled geyser]

i mean if its 15 and shit hits the fan

repec sub

and port back in

before that boss obv

thats the real tryhard angle

[dawn heath]

i'm a rogue reroll never touched any other spec dont even have any talents but in in sub dont know how the spec works

but i guess i might need to learn it

[real granite]

respec to sin st should be enough, anyway, your comp has to be really bad in st for that to be need already in 15

they're on 17 rn and i've not seen yet any respec mid dung

[dawn heath]

casualaddict respecced in their 16

to sub

[real granite]

did he? didnt noticed

[grizzled geyser]

he did yes

and he cranked

[dawn heath]

Also

there is no 17 NW timed

[spark mason]

in M+ i am constantly going OOE when in ST or boss fights. Is this normally how it is or is it a me problem?

[real granite]

then ye, that could be the play then

[dawn heath]

highest is a 16

[royal lantern]

quake timed it

[dawn heath]

theres nothing on the leaderboards atleast

[grizzled geyser]

pretty much just how it is

[spark mason]

okay, I was just wondering if it was me not playing something correctly, tyh

[wraith girder]

Hey guys, anyone using Quazii UI and got a Plater Mod for Assa Rogue that visualizes our debuffs? If possible I want to stay with Quaziis Plater profile and just add what it’s missing for Assa

[ebon river]

I struggle a lot with hovering over the right mob to mouseover dot in large m+ pulls and end up dotting/kicking the wrong things often. Clicking targets or tab targeting also causes me problems, was wondering if there's any settings or strategies to make multi-dotting more smooth or if I just need to stop being bad

[prisma sundial]

focus macros for kicks

[grizzled geyser]

same tbh, the nameplates seem to basically wait for the mouseover rupture and then shift away last second xd

[grizzled geyser]

works nicely for the first caster of the pack, but when there are 4 things casting and you are pugging, you often have to reactively kick something else quickly

[grim jay]

There were quite some that respecced for last 2 bosses

In NW

All season long

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[grim jay]

You dont need to swap target at all

Unless you mean mid pull

[prisma sundial]

if your mid pull i dont feel like tab targetting is an issue

[real granite]

im checking the vods again and im so cooked

[grizzled geyser]

there is more than carnage windows though, chainpulling and you gotta manually rupture everything, adds being spawned and you want to snipe some energy with ruptures before they die etc

[real granite]

i didnt realized the respec cause the details didnt changed the overall icon

[grim jay]

Because most of the dmg was still sin

So it doesnt swap

[real granite]

ya mb

[grim jay]

Tabbing is easy af and the fastest on chainpulls

[prisma sundial]

i dont think you should use mouse over macros for rupture either

[real granite]

at this point i just see those videos out of boredom, im not really even motivated to keep pushing, this season is horseshit, ill wait to next

[grim jay]

I kinda like it so far, only really dislike stonevault and boralus as dungeons

[grizzled geyser]

I do that from time to time, honestly dislike it though because its just annoying having to retarget the dsm target after it

[grim jay]

Idk its one click with a decent plater setup

[prisma sundial]

whispyr plater will highlight it green

[grim jay]

Even on big pulls

[prisma sundial]

if you have caustic

city of threads final boss and NW are my bane

[grizzled geyser]

its not about my plater not showing it, when there are 8 plates on the screen and they all move and shift its just annoying and tabbing back is not reliable, I wish I had a better solution myself lol

[grim jay]

Increasing the space your plater has on the screen before it starts stacking, decent size and spacing setup for the plates themself and good camera movement help

Never had issues

Except on pulls potential in which I dont swap anyways

[real granite]

i like the dungs per se, but i hate the m+ squish with my heart, and the fact that we've played full of stealth and ds bugs, and that the meta has been kinda unconsistent and the existence of spymaste + trasmitter dependance for burst tresholds and the overall class balance

[grizzled geyser]

honestly if anything my plates move too far up the screen because I tend to watch from a top down angle to see swirlies - they dont leave the screen but just stack up top and move around

[prisma sundial]

if you play top down theyre gonna move a lot more

[grizzled geyser]

yea i noticed, but it also makes me move more - out of swirlies that is

[ebon river]

Another thing I'm struggling with is coming out of stealth when I'm not dotted and not in combat. Is it from a dungeon mechanic? Happened to me about 4 times in the mists maze today

[grim jay]

Im kinda the opposite. I like the squish because I think 1019273 key levels are kinda messy and unnecessary
Isnt the meta kinda like the same throughout the whole season? It always was fdk enh arcane sin and resto sham that were particularly strong

Spymasters actually is great in design

Many trinkets should work like that

To fit all the different CDs

[grim jay]

Its the maze itself

If you are too close and they spawn

[lyric marlin]

Ive noticed the affix with the balls you have to CC is wonky with stealth/combat. Usually when a pull ends and balls are up itll keep you in combat, or when they burst it ll take you out of stealth for a sec

[open socket]

Lets you guarantee ruptures on the few bigger/prio targets on the big pulls

[grim jay]

Which isnt really anything important

[open socket]

Lets you keep ruptures still going/ up for longer when all the little shits die

[shrewd night]

[real granite]

idk, i think its less content to reach "your limit" and less filters for the population. Before you had to time 16 dungs (tyr and forti) for 100 ratting, now you time 8 and get almost 200...

[prisma sundial]

so at that point just tab target if theres like 3 mobs left

[grim jay]

Its way more important to get out your setup asap and get into CDs/spatter than caring for what target got ruptured

[prisma sundial]

i feel like a lot more can go wrong than right with a macro like that

[grim jay]

Yeah but the weeks previously couldve been insanely tedious and people by design just wouldnt push on certain weeks

[soft surge]

is there a new m+ build spread sheet

[grim jay]

And if you couldnt push due to time issues on push weeks, you were done

[real granite]

yeah, that was a problem i also didnt like, but this is way worse imo

also the spymaster... i've seen mages literally alt+f4 when dying with 40 stacks

[grim jay]

More trinkets should have a low CD and just work with stacks. Fight me.
Some stuff not working out as good because there is no on use with a specific CD is just stupid

Look at sub now if there wont be a 1.5 min on use trinket

[real granite]

die > lose all chargues oof idk
also aside from the mechainch design per se

[grim jay]

Dont die

But ye thats smth that could just get changed

[real granite]

no trinket should be that relevant to the point in certain rattings they kick you if you dont have spymaster

[grim jay]

Well thats a whole different issue

Thats tuning

Not design

[real granite]

ye

the day they fucking finally split high m+ content from m raid, and we dont need stupidly op raid trinkets, or at least dont fucking make them so op

dathea trink on sub im looking at you...

[shrewd night]

"My name is Davyn and I hate using trinkets in my opener." Davyn 2024

[grim jay]

But it also goes to show the importance of stuff thats lining up. Like arcane mage has sub 1.5 min CDs, think its 1 min 18s or something. Gl finding an on use on a spec that kinda needs one like that

[real granite]

yea i dont mind minigame or unique mechanich trinkets, they are cool

[grim jay]

Well you might aswell tune it better and you automatically start with certain stacks after a reset or smth

[real granite]

i hate that those are always in the fucking raid, and they are giga op

[runic hinge]

You’re great in design

[shrewd night]

[real granite]

i envy the chinese

[grim jay]

But the whole "choose your trinket CD" thing is actually really good

[real granite]

they have that coin to buy raid gear

all the seasons, not just the last one

[shrewd night]

Source

[grim jay]

Its because they have that anti gambling shizzle iirc

[real granite]

antigambling game law? they cannot have pure % drops

[grim jay]

Stuff cant be only rng for them

[real granite]

yep

they have to have by law, systems to skip rng ingame

[shrewd night]

So what, they dont have bossdrops at all? And they are considered legitimate contenders for rwf?

[real granite]

didnt you asked never

[grim jay]

They have, but they also have a deterministic way

[real granite]

why they are always the first ones in high keys, until euw and na catch up? xD

[grim jay]

Its just always backed up by some non rng

[grim glen]

wouldnt a mousover rupture be really helpful if you need to spread like 3-4 bleeds on other mobs?

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[willow eagle]

I'm not seeing any source they get a coin tho

[shrewd night]

Ima go ahead and ask for a saurce regardless, all articles regarding the anti gambling law is about login rewards, loot boxes and other similar incentives

[grim jay]

There also are pulls big enough that you wont spread many bleeds anyways

[grim jay]

Cant you ask OWL?

You guys are friends

After all

[grim glen]

My bad, phrased it badly. I was talking about if you couldnt restealth, or if the pull lasts long enough you need to reapply dots

[open socket]

It’s faster than tabbing, because you just put your cursor over the target when you press the button, idk. Not that deep

[grim jay]

Except that it isnt necessarily

[spice spire]

Balen log review

[grim jay]

Cev is a better player than 99% of the people here and he is faster with tabbing as he said

[grim jay]

Thats slow spreading rupture, which arguably doesnt make any difference at all

If you tab or mouseover or even click

[grim glen]

I just like to keep my main target with mark/sputter

[grim jay]

If you lose it otherwise its probably better ye

[oak musk]

I just spam bleeds on main target and let Jesus (indiscriminate carnage) take the wheel

[subtle tundra]

i got used to targeting

back before IC id tab target

now i click

[real granite]

hows that final season coin name? thats used to buy raid gear?

[heavy canopy]

Mark of the Spelunker Supreme, or something like that, iirc

[shrewd night]

Bullion

[real granite]

that

[grim jay]

I do a mix of tabbing and clicking, because what else will I do with my mouse anyways

Also clicking kinda natural depending on which games you play aswell

[real granite]

well, i cant find anything on the coin on google

but if you look at all the chinese teams gear, youll see that they are 5ivl + than any other else, theyre all 635 xD

about the coin, i guess we'll had to ask a chinese to be sure

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

I sadly cant remember the name of meownars chinese friend

[shrewd night]

istg

Ill ban you faster than you can react with an mlem emoji

[tardy shard]

hello boys , i have some problems in st encounters i do open pretty good and sustain it for a while but then i get to do very low dmg any suggestion?

[subtle tundra]

Yes if you get funneled gear you have higher ilvl

[next dust]

Sometimes I can’t find my cursor while looking to click ahahahhah

[dim estuary]

use WA for this : https://wago.io/ZbjlsgMkp

[grim jay]

https://wago.io/ZbjlsgMkp

[tall atlas]

Love this wee mouse

[shrewd night]

Chinese guilds go through some real degen shit to get higher item level, it is by itself not at all an indication about them getting coins to buy their gear. Happy to be wrong, but its the first Im hearing of it, and I know enough about yall in here to know how much yall enjoy spreading misinformation

[grim jay]

Whaaaat

When did I last spread misinformation

[shrewd night]

All the fucking time

[chilly shadow]

Guys I'm sorry this is probably FAQ ut cant find anything on it. I find shadow meld into stealth is so unreliable. Some gameplay im missing or just lottery everytime?

[cinder steppe]

do you guys play fatebound in any boss or only deathstalker? seen whispyr play fatabound only in kyveza

[grim jay]

Thats a lie. Last time was in beta iirc because I wasnt up to date

[grim jay]

Only deathstalker personally

But you could play fatebound on sikran and kyveza

Ig

[shrewd night]

@midnight mist Can you confirm or deny that chinese realms get bullions every season?

[grim jay]

Dang we are far enough to ask an outlaw

On general game knowledge

[subtle tundra]

played with a guy that had 634 ilvl while i was 630, when i mentioned he has 2x mythic very rare loot he complained he didnt also receive the mythic queen ring
he had hc on

some people are really spoiled

loot-wise

[royal lantern]

well yeha

main character syndrome exists everywhere

[subtle tundra]

all i received from mythic raid is 623 legs and a dagger(which i only got cause 2 dropped in the same kill)

[real granite]

wow im sorry i didnt wanted to put all lives wow accounts here in danger

[subtle tundra]

i have the opposite

no loot syndrome

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

But hey, a syndrome at least

[real granite]

i just got it told by some guy, it could be lie

but it made perfect sense to me idk

[subtle tundra]

misinformation on MY internet?

[icy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[shrewd night]

I was about to post that exact gif

[grim jay]

Meownar managed to rile up the new people

[grim jay]

Rioting against the ever so helpful Davyn

[shrewd night]

Gotta put them in shape so they dont end up like Davyn

[grim jay]

Dang that hurt on a personal level

[shrewd night]

lebel

[icy acorn]

making a typo is almost as bad as stuttering in an argument

[grim jay]

Its a gun

Autocorrect likes guns

[royal lantern]

instead ending up like me? :3

[grim jay]

One might say its american

[twilit girder]

r.e. thistle tea - are we pooling to make sure we save the 3rd thistle tea on opener to make sure we have 2 again on next Kingsbane cycle or are we spamming away and making sure we have evenom up all times?

[icy acorn]

google says its french

[grim jay]

I mean the autocorrect

Because it likes guns

Are you meownars brother?

[royal lantern]

macro tea to shiv

[icy acorn]

its a sign

who is meownar

eonar from antorus?

just as a car cat

[royal lantern]

and try to not waste a charge if possible

but even if you "waste" a charge, it doesnt really matter

100% minmaxed optimal tea usage and "lol auto tea all the time" is 0,18% difference

[twilit girder]

ah ok ty

[royal lantern]

tea is the absolute last thing you should worry about

[grim jay]

I could imagine him looking like that

[twilit girder]

I didn't know how much I was losing not having 2 teas on kingsbane mid fight

[royal lantern]

i mean, its kinda impossible to get 2 charges of a 1min cd in 1min, right?

[icy acorn]

dust liked to argue

but its gone

[quaint dock]

Does the seal of the poisoned pack's poison damage scale of Assa mastery?

[balmy condor]

Items do not interact with specs

[cyan gyro]

This may be more WCL question but since I'm a rogue I'll ask her - Is there any way to compare my parse to better ones to see what I'[m doing wrong in my rotation?

[shrewd night]

To a degree, you can compare logs, but it wont tell you if you played wrong or correct

[hushed eagle]

Hi guys, is there a known bug that Deathstalkers Mark sometimes randomly drops of the target? This happens to me on a regular basis in m+ and this is really frustrating. When watching streamers it does not look like that is also happening to them so am i doing an obv mistake or is there a way that mark drops of the target?

[grim jay]

Daddy quake might do a log review if you ask him nicely

[shrewd night]

ZAC IS TYPING

[midnight mist]

im pretty sure im french not chinese

[grim jay]

Based answer

[twilit girder]

DM applies to the target like old combo points, if you tab back to the target you will see it again

[real granite]

[cyan gyro]

Dumb question... who's that so I can ask nicely 😄

[shrewd night]

Damn

[jade abyss]

We still pooling?

[cyan gyro]

But it's just a M+, so nothing really special

I'm just curious that's all

[grim jay]

He is called Check Wowhead in here

No joke

[cyan gyro]

Oh wow, you really were serious 🤣

[grim jay]

M+ is really difficult to review tho tbf

As in terrible

[cyan gyro]

I understand, no real baseline to compare against I'd imagine

[twilit girder]

Unless it dies then you get a proc of DN which will then let you reapply DM to a new target

[hushed eagle]

yeah i know that, but i really mean dropping of completely. So also at bossfights. But i am guessing if that is not a known problem, its me doing something wrong, eventough i have no clue what makes the mark drop. I understand how the mark works.

[grim jay]

Yeah, many things are just different and situational

[next dust]

Ew

Looks horrible

[grim jay]

Customizable

[little tulip]

it does eventually time out

it's like a minute

[royal lantern]

you turn everything except the circle itself Off

[cyan gyro]

Just disheartening to see green parse for my il :/

[twilit girder]

this but it takes forever to fall off

[grim jay]

Same

[grim jay]

Ilvl parses are a meme and m+ parses are one aswell

[little tulip]

i mean some bosses go untargetable with deathstalkers mark and only chance is vanish and reapply

[hushed eagle]

i mean dropping of without a DN proc left. completely gone. Need to reapply with Ambush again in next pull/when Vanish is ready

[little tulip]

or hope an add dies and gives u DN

[royal lantern]

i can give you DN

[grim jay]

[little tulip]

aw hell DN

[cyan gyro]

Oh?

[twilit girder]

no idea never seen that, only time I've had issues is things like court when switching targets but you still have time between phases to keep the stacks up

[grim jay]

Ilvl parses never were any good because you can cheese them and it just highly depends on which slots you have on higher ilvl

[thick forge]

What talents guys you use on m+ rn?

[grim jay]

And m+ parses say afaik pretty much nothing

[little tulip]

i keep dsm on plater with a timer so i can kinda see

[dim estuary]

thanks for your meaningful comment 🙂

[next dust]

Sorry bro

[cyan gyro]

In that case - Thanks so much, I now feel a lot better 😄

[twilit girder]

why you bm his cursor, very rude that

[hushed eagle]

yeah i also track it with a Plater border on the target + also a WA for it. So im sure it just drops off

[dim estuary]

45k install, customisable, prob the most used cursor but np 😂

[real granite]

@cyan gyro , not related question, do you happen to play from china by chance? just want to ask you a question

[twilit girder]

yeah can you not see this is the Elon Musk of WoW cursors?

[dim estuary]

make wow great again

[grim jay]

@shrewd night see, I'm helpful and people feel better because of me

[shrewd night]

I plead the fifth

[grim jay]

Id not use it then

[grim jay]

You americans and your phrases

[drowsy hatch]

We giving each other DN?

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

not giving my nuts to anyone

[slim swallow]

Guys - did you already craft 3 items?
Im not a mythic raider, (yet) and dont think i will get my hands on Kukri mythic - shoudl i craft my 2nd dagger? and should i craft ring/neck/wrists/boots?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[grim jay]

2nd dagger sucks

[drowsy hatch]

I'm a creature of habit

[grim jay]

You should craft what sims highest

[grim jay]

You spelled horny wrong

[slim swallow]

@grim jay Why does 2nd dagger suck?

[lunar valley]

Hey ! Is my stat distribution ok ? crit - 9.7k ; mastery - 17.2k ; haste - 4.2 k

[grim jay]

Because low stat budget and offhand dps are close to irrelevant

[sullen mural]

Just equip whatever the sims tell you to equip

theres no real distribution

[drowsy hatch]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[lunar valley]

ok thx! I'll try to do that

[slim swallow]

HAve youguys crafted 4 items yet?

[sullen mural]

Nope

[slim swallow]

Are you all just waiting for @keen mantle to craft or is it because its dogshite compared?

[sullen mural]

crafted<Myth track

[subtle tundra]

this is the dumbest shit ive read

in the past week

7 days

[sullen mural]

Man he's just asking

[subtle tundra]

no

thats just a really stupid thing to even think about

waiting for mr strimmer to craft

and tagging him aswell

LOL

[real granite]

wow he tagget him

[subtle tundra]

might aswell give him your account so he can get you the gear

[normal kindle]

LOL

[cyan gyro]

I used to, not anymore though

[shrewd night]

[warm vortex]

Goodmorning Assa people

[real granite]

did you played on netease? or do you just know if netease players do have bullions coins every season?

[warm vortex]

Hope chat isn’t talking about what they were last time I was here

[cyan gyro]

That I wouldn't know, never played on China WoW

[real granite]

oh, thanks anyway

[warm vortex]

Last time I was here the chat was about bears and not the animal

[real granite]

ill have to make a reddit post... god i hate that place

[glad tartan]

can i change embelishment without making a new item ?

or do a full recraft

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kaden-bear-walk-gif-15031442544519350917

[royal lantern]

have to recraft the item with the new embelishment

[warm vortex]

Oh no

Also am I wrong for wanting a kobold rogue

[worldly sail]

[warm vortex]

People in the DG are saying I am for wanting a kobold Druid

[drowsy hatch]

I think you're wrong for wanting kobolds in the game personally

[warm vortex]

:(

[worldly sail]

yes (clarifying because full recraft sounds like needing to make a whole new item)

[warm vortex]

Kobolds are amazing and you can’t convince me otherwise

[real granite]

i kinda agree, they are silly and funny

[warm vortex]

Lil funny rats

[golden loom]

the kobold quests went hard

just helping that little fella

[warm vortex]

Yea

Actually, wondering what cleft is gonna be like in season 2

In worried that 3/4 of the TTW dungeons are gonna be a pain in S2

[keen mantle]

What we craft guys

help

[pastel onyx]

we r waiting for u

obv

[drowsy hatch]

I almost typed !craft lmao

[pastel onyx]

cant help

[keen mantle]

crafting is not worth the crests

but on my high end gear

i will have 2x dawnthread for m+

also embelishments are trash like 1-1.5% of your dmg so dont overthink bout those lol

[warm vortex]

Casual addict have you considered becoming a hardcore addict

[normal mist]

But casual, the numbers casual

[warm vortex]

Or is that too much on your health

[normal mist]

What do they mean

[cedar hare]

Why does the pin say - 0.6% and -1.6% in ST and AoE
But wowhead says 2 and 3 %

[balmy condor]

Lethality

There’s even a note that says somewhat estimated

[warm vortex]

Oh hi whisp

[balmy condor]

Flensing fixed too

[cedar hare]

Aight. My bad. So 2 and 3 % are estimated i guess

[warm vortex]

I mean Assa is still gonna be good anyhow, and fun :D

[tough widget]

is the reason we go 2 times into subterfuge in m+ so we can apply improved garrote more often?

or what are we cooking

[drowsy hatch]

Mostly for master assassin

but more improved garrotes is good too

[warm vortex]

Oh rlly?
Personally i thought it was Iw

Cause ik master ass is a shit ton of dps

But I feel like IW is ultra powerful

[drowsy hatch]

some dungeons wont even take iw

[tough widget]

are we still pressing slice and dice? no right? we just get it via envenom

[drowsy hatch]

take snd off your bar

[warm vortex]

Oh so I should spec it out for some dungeons?

And get smth else instead

[drowsy hatch]

you can

[tough widget]

what do you mean bei iw?

[warm vortex]

Iron wire

[drowsy hatch]

on like mists iw is whatever

[tough widget]

ah

[warm vortex]

The silence garrote thing

[warm vortex]

Fair

Then again I mainly run w pugs they don’t have kicks on their bars

[eager plaza]

do you guys shiv on cd or only use it with kingsbaine etc?

[drowsy hatch]

yeah I wouldnt bother in pugs

[tough widget]

what do you take if not iw?

[solar wyvern]

Tried no IW in keys, putting on Sanguine blades and man was the damage fat

[drowsy hatch]

depends what you took off to get MA

but you're probably putting on SB or SD

It is fat damage if you can get away with it

but of course if you have high value then its not worth it still

[solar wyvern]

Yeah the burst in big packs is yummy

[warm vortex]

No idea personally
Cause if you macro tea w shiv then idk

[solar wyvern]

But IW is so OP so its hard not to take

[drowsy hatch]

like you will be cast into hell if you dont take it in grim butthole

[warm vortex]

True

Those mind sears and hyper healing absorbs can fuck off

IMO the number one mob that can fuck off is that big beetle dude after 2nd Boss in CoT

[wraith girder]

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[prisma monolith]

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[solar wyvern]

Dawnbreaker, Seige?, Mists? Those are the dungeons i see no IW

[drowsy hatch]

definitely siege and mists

not sure about dawnbreaker cause there are some guys to silence but thats prob fine to skip too

[solar wyvern]

Everything else has too many bolt spams

Idk dawnbreaker you can route around a lot of the caters

[warm vortex]

Tbh, with pugs imma just keep it

[solar wyvern]

Its mostly church

Oh yeah for sure

Pug protection talent

[warm vortex]

Yea

[golden loom]

I was trying something like this but feels bad to not get MA so I wonder if dropping SB is the play

it does so much damage tho..

[drowsy hatch]

you could either drop SB or drop both doomblade and sbs for MA and SD

[solar wyvern]

Yeah drop sb

[warm vortex]

I always swap the talent to the left of MA w MA

[real granite]

or drop ttk for ma

[golden loom]

idk maybe dropping TTK is the play

[drowsy hatch]

oh if thats on the table yeah just drop ttk

[solar wyvern]

Ttk so much boss damage

[warm vortex]

Personally I don’t run TTK without DS so I’d say drop it

Personally I would

[tough widget]

so if i need util to silence i drop sanguine blades for iron wire

sounds easy

[warm vortex]

What’s the build you have rn

[golden loom]

was also so confused playing with subterfuge at first cause didnt have Mutilate on my stealth bars

was like where the fk is my spatter

[warm vortex]

Oh lmao

Wait does ambush not apply it?

[drowsy hatch]

ambush def applies spatter

[warm vortex]

Ok

[golden loom]

wait was it??

[warm vortex]

Was gonna say I swear it has

[golden loom]

maybe I just gaslight myself that it wasnt working

okay yeah it works, nice

nvm all that then

[warm vortex]

lol

Every time I talk in this chat it makes me wanna play wow

[solar wyvern]

That being said, IW pretty good survival, the 15% dr it gives to throw flesh and stuff is good

[warm vortex]

Fuck throw flesh

Acc

Fuck necrotic wake

[pseudo cosmos]

[solar wyvern]

Idk I like NW

[warm vortex]

Ik people say “it’s a free key” n shit in pre-made groups

But I pug it

[drowsy hatch]

I like NW too lol

[subtle tundra]

noone says that

[warm vortex]

Have had a run where a tank killed 12 dps with the cleave

[subtle tundra]

its one of the hardest keys

[warm vortex]

Rlly? I’ve had a ton of people say that to me when I complain personally

[drowsy hatch]

yeah its def not free

I mean its not as bad post stitchflesh nerf

[subtle tundra]

most people have that idea from back in the day

[drowsy hatch]

but mists and dawnbreaker are a joke compared to nw

[subtle tundra]

when it was free until you did giga high

[warm vortex]

Ah fair

[solar wyvern]

Eh, last boss fucks, second boss fucks, stitch is still a pain

[warm vortex]

But yea
Tanks killing people w the cleave ad
No kicks
I’ve had some people not know how to pick up the items
Had a dude stand at the anima golem for like a min

[solar wyvern]

Even blightboner can suck if the wrong person gets barfed on multiple times

Still love the dungeon tho, so many big pulls esp with gatekeeper nerfs

Just live 5head

Oh and getting targeted by exile with all your cds coming up as sin is yummy, we love that fat crit chanve

[subtle tundra]

feint off gcd makes it so liveable

[solar wyvern]

Yeah super ez for rogues

[subtle tundra]

ok

[lusty kraken]

feint off the gcd is the best qol change ever

[subtle tundra]

thank god mr strimmer can have an opinion instead of me

[solar wyvern]

True roguees suck should buff feint to be no energy and also 90%

[warm vortex]

Also random question, what do you people think about caustic splatter design wise

Got some dude having an aneurism over it in SH

[solar wyvern]

Its bladeflurry

[lusty kraken]

I find it very lazy from blizzard's side to basically give every rogue spec bladeflurry

[solar wyvern]

Lazy, effective, idk i think its fine

[warm vortex]

Yea, I can understand that. Personally I like it but I know what you mean

[solar wyvern]

Melee blender cleave kinda overused

So w.e at this point

[lusty kraken]

last expansion they gave every melee acrobatic strikes, should we expect them to remove bladeflurry too?

[warm vortex]

How else would they give Assa aoe, any ideas?

[solar wyvern]

Im ngl i dont even know who petkoshaman is

Not much for streamer space

[drowsy hatch]

well as we know

bigger number better person

[warm vortex]

True

Same with online followers
Totally makes you a better person

[subtle tundra]

buddy petko is one of the biggest streamers

not like he is a nobody

mr tier list himself

anyone can get score if they play the game as a job

doesnt mean he is smarter or something

yes the average pug rogue is a dumbass

a good rogue can survive

[raw lodge]

hey its me

[icy acorn]

the average pug player is a dumbass

[subtle tundra]

yea but the average dk survives everything while the average rogue flops on the 2nd mechanic

unfair yes

game shit

yes

[real granite]

our cost for survival

[warm vortex]

The average player is a dumbass

[rare isle]

I have even played with DKs who manage to die 10 times in a key. Everything is possible when people are involved

[real granite]

is pretty... bad feel

[solar wyvern]

I really don't know how rogues die to stuff. I feel immortal 24/7 unless its Single target Physical Rot damage

Like the serpent dot from uldaman

[real granite]

i mean, serious answer, does feint energy cost do makes real sense?

[subtle tundra]

yea if you fuck mechanics up, ofc you die
but rogue dies from unavoidable things while dk doesnt

[warm vortex]

I remember dying to a cast once cause I overlapped a kick w someone was sadge

[rare isle]

They dont use feint, it does no damage, duh!

[subtle tundra]

the floor is warm

i can assure you

[hardy dagger]

Rot DMG can be rough

[real granite]

id rather get the gcd back on feint in exchange for no energy cost, imo

[rare isle]

Answered wrong message, you guys are too fast

[solar wyvern]

Didnt we have this in legion?

[subtle tundra]

id rather have every class in the game have their defensives gutted

ty

[solar wyvern]

I remember feint being really cheap back in the day

[drowsy hatch]

I'd rather be gutted

[subtle tundra]

girl i can gut a fish

[icy acorn]

[real granite]

ye iirc legion feint was no cost

[drowsy hatch]

please

[rare isle]

Think it was in WoD also

Iirc

[candid quartz]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[real granite]

gutted as... removed?

[drowsy hatch]

no thats not what I mean

oh you mean for the game

[subtle tundra]

defensives means their whole defensive kit
gutted = nerfed

[rare isle]

I miss the days when tanks could die and didn't pull more hps than healers

[subtle tundra]

tanks can definetly die

[solar wyvern]

Pug a 12

[warm vortex]

Have you puffed

*pugged

[solar wyvern]

First pull you will see tanks die

Haha

[subtle tundra]

puffed?!?!

what we puffin

[solar wyvern]

Shadowdust

[subtle tundra]

i tanked a 4 last night

[solar wyvern]

Rest in peace

[warm vortex]

Caustic fumes

[rare isle]

Good tanks can sustain themselves on gigapulls in +16s, what do you mean?

[subtle tundra]

today im gonna bait my guildmates

into letting me tank 10

[warm vortex]

Best thing is tanking a key, see the tank go red over and over and think “huh why are they dying”

You loot at them
Not a single shield block

[tacit otter]

Getting varas on tank gives me anxiety monka

[sterile fulcrum]

how do people rupture>rupture? when i try that i dont have enough cps am i missing something?

[subtle tundra]

oh yea its anxiety city

good thing i went prot pala, shits easy

[drowsy hatch]

serrated bone spikes

[tacit otter]

This is what creates nightmares