#assassination

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hallow sonnet
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Including those you didn't finish

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seems updated

subtle tundra
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it doesnt list all of them

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i was checking my grimbas first week and i had less on r.io than what addon was showing

crimson zephyr
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how do I update the datat hey have?

sly blade
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

  • For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
  • For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

hallow sonnet
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Top right there

crimson zephyr
subtle tundra
limber lion
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Don't look at it

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No pooling, just send

crimson zephyr
crimson zephyr
hallow sonnet
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Raider.io doesn't do logs or so. It just takes your runs from the leaderboard

crimson zephyr
hallow sonnet
mossy sundial
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🥶

balmy condor
crimson zephyr
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Tank pulls 10 mobs - how do you open? assuming you are in stealth. Assume we have proc, then you start by spreading rupture and garrote x3 to cover 9 mobs with both?

mossy sundial
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stop the cook whispyr no pooling allowed

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full send is the way

balmy condor
mossy sundial
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all gas no brakes

balmy condor
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already found 0.4

limber lion
storm forum
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full send with TTB, 10% reduced spenders, dashing, full haste

spice spire
coral ibex
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don't need more than 5 ruptures

tired gull
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i only ever press whatever button feels best in the moment

balmy condor
hallow sonnet
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Just by the nature of having resources and there being a variable amount of worth for those resources, there will always be gains found by pooling unless it causes you to cap on either gcd or other resources.

balmy condor
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well

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we're VERY close to that

subtle tundra
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well

balmy condor
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I gotta try really hard to make that not the reality

subtle tundra
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look at m+

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AAAAAAAAAA

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whenever theres pure ST i cry

limber lion
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Blindside and pooling is a tricky combo

crimson zephyr
limber lion
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Good thing we don't play Blindside anywhere ez

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jk

crimson zephyr
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well I don't send CDs apparently

balmy condor
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cev really said fuck yo ambush

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tiny toxic blade gaming

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he's going for the maximum kaboom

limber lion
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Love my chunky Shivs

crimson zephyr
limber lion
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Slap a CB on that and 🤯

limber lion
spice spire
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Chunky shiv

crimson zephyr
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I think after reading that, my CP useage at my opener is probably shit as well

limber lion
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I wish someone would Shiv my chunk...

balmy condor
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let me see what my fatest shiv is

spice spire
crimson zephyr
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why dont you shiv?

kindred hinge
limber lion
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It is good for the prio KB spatter CD

subtle tundra
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so the cock is no blindside we go tiny shivs?

limber lion
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But before that you don't really do that

subtle tundra
spice spire
limber lion
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You start pressing Shiv when KB is at 8s or less

spice spire
subtle tundra
vast loom
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
storm forum
crimson zephyr
balmy condor
limber lion
balmy condor
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okay we found a 2 mil shiv

limber lion
balmy condor
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good start

spice spire
limber lion
storm forum
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huge

balmy condor
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I can find higher I think

dense cloud
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rogue nerfed again. ETA GG reroll to dk ggwp

crimson zephyr
balmy condor
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there's an 850k crit in this log somewhere

raven egret
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woah wait what we doing now? We shiv gaming somehow?

limber lion
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You've got better things to do in AoE than using Shiv

crimson zephyr
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ok another mistake, I somehow assumed it increases all poison dmg for 30% also in AoE

limber lion
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It is a single target debuff

crimson zephyr
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but it says "to the target" eh

balmy condor
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oh baby 2.45

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we are crankin

limber lion
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So it would only increase the damage those poisons do on that one target

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Not on everyone

limber lion
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Sign me up

subtle tundra
crimson zephyr
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men Im sad for shiv now

subtle tundra
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on queen ansurek

coral ibex
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men? where

spice spire
coral ibex
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dudes rock

raven egret
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Sooo we tiny toxic blade gamers now?

limber lion
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No

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...Unless?

raven egret
jagged niche
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@midnight mist guess who got the pi OMEGAKEKW

limber lion
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⏸️

midnight mist
spice spire
midnight mist
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blaster

limber lion
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Augmentation...

balmy condor
thorn crater
limber lion
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Varas is far from Britannia

balmy condor
jagged niche
balmy condor
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how much does it say in the log

raven egret
balmy condor
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yeah

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ttb for all of ovi'nax prog

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you aren't pressing mut

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no reason for blindside

thorn crater
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ttk followed by ttb why not

raven egret
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tt skills going in hard

thorn crater
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anyone find any other deranged build out there?

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whispyr has had restored mental for far too long

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its been what? 3 days?

limber lion
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Man, scroll up for like idk 2 minutes

balmy condor
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oh we already had 2 people destroy my mental today

limber lion
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It's been wild

balmy condor
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it's not even 3pm

spice spire
raven egret
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aight, saved ttb to ovinax's build, fun times ahead

balmy condor
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I mean hate you

spice spire
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No no the first one was right

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And based

stray adder
grand trail
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i saw IC on court so i guees i saw everything

spiral basalt
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sonic zinc
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u need ic for vanish dot spread of the scarab adds PepeBigBrain

balmy condor
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I don't think the top 20 rogues

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could ever like

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make any mistake

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they're not human after all

novel star
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
balmy condor
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humans make mistakes

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top 20 do not

sonic zinc
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its all bots

limber lion
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🤖 🤖 🤖

feral mason
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these top 20 rogue logs seem very human

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!!

crimson zephyr
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ty

crimson zephyr
feral mason
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could probably get a robot to play buglaw

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seeing as it was just bte bte bte bte bte

balmy condor
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real

thorn crater
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here is a question

spice surge
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Imagine being a nerd, couldnt be me

thorn crater
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second spider miniboss

floral ore
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Does anyone have the plater script to make caustic spatter targ go green? had a look around couldn't find it

limber lion
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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second spider mini boss?

feral mason
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ara

thorn crater
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screeching channel, arakara, 13 key

limber lion
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^ here @floral ore

balmy condor
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oh yeah okay

thorn crater
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using elusiveness

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still die

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is it my fault or the healers

spice surge
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Elusivness doesnt do anything

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Since its already an aoe

feral mason
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are you pressing feint + evasion

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or nah

spice surge
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Or well, if you evasion

thorn crater
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feint i meant sry

floral ore
spice surge
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But feint+evasion should be enough even without the extra +20% on evasion from elusiveness

limber lion
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Ceverion and Whispyr plater both have em

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Just rip them from there

floral ore
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ahhh right, jus take that portion. Thanks buddy ❤️

thorn crater
spice surge
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Obviously depends on how much your healer is healing

thorn crater
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but add usually gets 2 casts off, do i commit the cloak as well for the second?

spice surge
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But no point not sending evasion too

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What are you holding cloak for

thorn crater
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bolt casts

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idiots not interrupting

coral ibex
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kidney

nova aspen
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neat

crimson zephyr
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ok another gb8 - lets see ^^

lusty kraken
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does the elusiveness 20% dr from feint and evasion stack?

feral mason
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9 free deaths (if you take it as the effect of the affix)

balmy condor
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yes

feral mason
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pagman

spice surge
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Yes

balmy condor
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but yeah

limber lion
feral mason
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goes from 5s to 15s

coral ibex
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6 * 0:15 = 1:30

feral mason
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so 10s diffy

spice surge
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But i wouldnt recommend running elusiveness besides dawn, siege and CoT

balmy condor
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it's already 15

feral mason
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no like

spice surge
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Because theres effectively nothing that you need the 20% from feint on in the other dungeons

cobalt sphinx
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call of the brood is physical, cloak might not get you very far

spice surge
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As the 40% feint already works

feral mason
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eh whatever im arguing for nothing

thorn crater
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rip interrupts

spice surge
thorn crater
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other than silence and beam

cobalt sphinx
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oh true

maiden tusk
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Anyone else made the mistake by crafting everforged DAGGER instead of STABBER? Jesus there went my 636 craft... Why tf put the name dagger to a int weap. Usually rogues weapons are called daggers, not stabbers. Yes, its my mistake but i wonder how many rogues got fcked because of the naming of the weapon..

thorn crater
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not just naming

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same icon

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same mats

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same everything

spice surge
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Idk people just get a hardon for elusiveness and drop cheat for some reason

limber lion
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:)

feral mason
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so like

novel star
thorn crater
feral mason
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people still think it is

novel star
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but you also have like a million crests as the cap now

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so

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shouldnt be an issue

past bobcat
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There isn't anyone running ttb on court lol

novel star
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just look at it in your inventory and feel bad about yourself for not reading the tooltip

feral mason
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ele getting unnerfed minutes after wowhead article came out with the impact of the nerfs

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seems a little sussy

limber lion
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It's tough out here

thorn crater
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i even put a 40k depths enchant on it before i noticed

feral mason
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40k?

thorn crater
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lol

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was third week

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twisting nether shenanigans

feral mason
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during any point in time in the actual season start

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that eenchant was never 40k

thorn crater
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37ish w/e

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radiant power was 46

novel star
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it was pretty close i think

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yea

feral mason
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aint those game wide ah commodities also?

slate crown
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Region wide

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NA and EU are separate

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etc

feral mason
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they never went above 15k for me on eu

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lmao

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t3

coral ibex
spice spire
thorn crater
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WHAT

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WHAT????/

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pve?

feral mason
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like

thorn crater
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rp pve?

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how

feral mason
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they were expensive before the season

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but as soon as season started they went down insta

dry dagger
thorn crater
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radiant was 45

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for a month

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someone tried to drop it

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got bought off and put back up

coral ibex
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i wonder if i should take elu...

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nah, just have cheat for this each time

spice surge
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Evasion? Cloak?

coral ibex
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you can get targeted by these abilities more than once within the cooldown for both of those

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and if you don't dodge with eva you literally just die

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spew disease does 93.77% of my health with feint up without elu

grand trail
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just pray or get external

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ez

slow snow
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If you play cheat in anything above an 11 you’re trollin trust

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You’ll be floor pov in dawnbreaker

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City of threads

coral ibex
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cheat is literally just a mistake fixer for low keys

spice surge
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It could fix mistakes in higher keys too shrugeg

subtle cipher
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^

spice surge
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Theres like 3 dungeons where its needed (elusiveness that is)

slow snow
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You won’t even need to make a mistake you’ll just be ded the whole time

subtle cipher
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Not on every dung lol

spice surge
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Feint works on most things this season

subtle cipher
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Exactly

slow snow
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It’s not only for feint it’s for evasion too

spice surge
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Ofc

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But evasion is already 20%, and making it 36% instead is not worth giving up cheat for

feral mason
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yer

subtle tundra
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all mandatory elusiveness

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MAYBE arakara -

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but first boss gl

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need heal babysit

grand trail
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just one heal

slow snow
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Even then what about bolts goin off in others, act like your team is kicking every single one

subtle tundra
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yea in aoe its feint city

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fent city

spice spire
spice surge
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What in grimba

subtle tundra
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stonevault 3rd boss

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grimba 3rd boss

subtle cipher
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Not that huge for needing elusi

subtle tundra
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you get 1 shot by the aoe

spice surge
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The aoe is reduced though?=

subtle tundra
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ok wtf

subtle cipher
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On Gb???

subtle tundra
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hmmmge

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yea maybe not as mandatory in every dungeon, you have a point

spice surge
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The curse isnt ig

subtle cipher
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Attempt a 14 these days and feint was more than enough, with low ilvl

subtle tundra
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id still play it cause my skill level > pug skill level

subtle cipher
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Def not getting killed by that boss

spice surge
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Like im not saying its horrid, but people pushing 13s or 14s are still probably better of still running cheat

subtle tundra
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yea but like dawnbreaker?

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good luck on mini bosses

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and 2nd boss

spice surge
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Ye siege, dawn and city

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You def need

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Not arguing those

subtle cipher
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Yeah

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But others nah

subtle tundra
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im also in the mindset rn that i feint everything on me

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so its uh

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a bit weird

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guess thats my next improvement point

slow snow
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What about arakara poisons before 1st boss

subtle tundra
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or i go have fun playing paladin

slow snow
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Can’t poison cleanse on repeat anymore

subtle tundra
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yea feint on trash is very good aswell

smoky oracle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
severe canyon
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HOw do I fully utilize MA in opener? Is subt and extra vanish worth?

subtle cipher
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Or 12 if 2 talented

severe canyon
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can it even go 2/2? mine says 1/1

subtle cipher
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Up to u

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Some ppl take a point on lethality and put it on sub

fathom cove
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Ayo, isnt Elusiveness better on Kyveza than Cheat Death?

ornate gazelle
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Yep

balmy condor
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yeah

fathom cove
balmy condor
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hm

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and now it doesn;t

void pecan
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Got'm

spare shoal
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Yo team I'm progressing Kyveza and I only just noticed how sometimes in opener im critting for 7.8m on some pulls and then other pulls im critting for 3.8mill max (or something along these lines) why is this Susge

fathom cove
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DN empowered Envenom?

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  • Trinkets?
spare shoal
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would it be that big?

fathom cove
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DN + Treacherous Transmitter are big yeah

severe canyon
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DN?

spice spire
spare shoal
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using Skardyn's Grace atm

spice spire
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The capstone of the deathstalker tree

spice spire
late tusk
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hello got a doubt on opening, in big groups, how to go back to first target? i mean ambush->talent into target, and then you need to spread rupture/garrote so you need tom tab

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If there is a lot of mobds its became hard to came back to taht first target

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do you make focus or some like it?

cinder parrot
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Is bubbling wax still bugged and disappears after you die once?

severe canyon
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Anyone got tips for serrated bonespike completetly ruins the training dummies?? 🙂

quasi ingot
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Another Noob Question: If im going into a trash pack (say 6 mobs) no DN waiting or anything...after opener do i want to maintain garrote/rupture on ALL mobs? or just let IC do its work with the extra few and just blast for spatters on the main mob?

novel star
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so they unload

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and then fly back

subtle cipher
spare shoal
late tusk
cobalt sphinx
fathom cove
subtle cipher
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You want 5 ruptures running on packs either way

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So just rupture rupture

pliant gazelle
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Any reason why the quicksim would shiv before DM ? (It's Fatebound)

hardy prairie
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what do i drop to get MA for m+?

balmy condor
fathom cove
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or read pins

balmy condor
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the order on that doesn't matter much

hardy prairie
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wait i thought sanguine blades was mid why dont we drop that?

drowsy hatch
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thats fine to drop too

subtle cipher
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Cuz isn't mid

hardy prairie
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o

drowsy hatch
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but SD is more common

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generally SB should do more dmg

fathom cove
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sim yourself, SB was ~110k DPS in dungeon slice, SD was less

subtle cipher
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At least I sim way better than sd

hardy prairie
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im always wary of dslice sims, feel like they can differ in practice

balmy condor
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yep

fathom cove
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its the closest sim you get

balmy condor
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dslice is dogshit

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but it's the best we got

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so we deal with it

hardy prairie
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tru

subtle cipher
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Just do some runs with both

hardy prairie
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im kinda done pushing keys this season, i just wanna do 10's for vault so ig maybe it doesnt matter too much anyway ?

subtle cipher
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Yeah just yolo

drowsy hatch
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It's not gonna stop you from doing 10s

hardy prairie
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yea, but being top chad is still fun

drowsy hatch
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well do 10s without an enh in the group OMEGAKEKW

subtle cipher
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And that will be solved next days

hardy prairie
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maybe the enh that i play with in 10's are just ass but the only thing that really beats me consistently is decent ret pallys

heavy canopy
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Noob question, what makes FoK generate more combo points??

balmy condor
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seal fate

subtle cipher
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Crit

heavy canopy
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Oohhh

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I need more crit then

cobalt sphinx
balmy condor
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not necessarily

crimson zephyr
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eh dmg even badder but it was also a shit run but I have 20 KB casts now at least 😛

heavy canopy
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I used to be able to FoK > Envenom on medium sized packs

subtle cipher
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Rng

heavy canopy
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But I guess you need four crits for that

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Well, higher crit chance would help

novel star
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remember

heavy canopy
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I’ve offloaded some crit into mastery and haste for ST, but now that’s definitely hurting my AoE

novel star
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crit chance is always 50%

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you either crit or you don’t

cobalt sphinx
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yeah but even if you had crit on every single piece of gear, your crit chance would still only go up a little bit

heavy canopy
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Oh what

crimson current
balmy condor
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we simulate ourselves

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for this

novel star
spice spire
novel star
novel star
crimson current
heavy canopy
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Ofc

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Having to double FoK just feels so bad

drowsy hatch
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youll live

novel star
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you can grief yourself by forcing crit on every single piece of armor

heavy canopy
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Like I can tell if I’m gonna hit 4+M DPS on a pack just from how many FoK’s I’m casting

novel star
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and still have packs where you just don’t crit that much

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it will be fine brotha

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play the game

crimson current
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i think im with something about 29% crit

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and then theres the crystal proc sometimes

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its fine

subtle cipher
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Overthinking much

heavy canopy
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… I mean, I know, I’m just saying the game’s more fun and satisfying when I can FoK > Envenom haha

novel star
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can always play subtlety

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unironically

heavy canopy
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How’s that overthinking

novel star
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that’s just sub gameplay

crimson current
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fok eviscerate

novel star
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builder spender builder spender

crimson current
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actually sub is not fok

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i dont remember the name

novel star
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shuriken storm or whatever

drowsy hatch
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shuriken something

novel star
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right?

crimson current
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yea

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thats the name

crimson current
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mf think hes a ninja

quasi ingot
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fok > black powder

cobalt sphinx
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crit on all pieces would bring me from 57 to like 65% crit on fan, i don't think you'd be able to tell the difference

novel star
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doesn’t sub have simple cds now too

cobalt sphinx
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major placebo

novel star
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maybe i should play sub

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assassination is dead the wowhead bot posted an image that has us with a red 2% under the icon

crimson current
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u have 57 with MA right

spice spire
heavy canopy
cobalt sphinx
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checking a log in grim batol 12 i had 57% and siege 12 i had 66% crit on fan yeah

novel star
cobalt sphinx
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because of MA

novel star
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time to listen to that song

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good bye.

quasi ingot
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Flying Swift Spectral Tiger mount bundle for the low price of $265 USD, discounted to $82 USD for owners of the original!

heavy canopy
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That’s pretty substantial, like getting over the bump of 4 vs 3 CP’s per FoK

spice spire
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Goodbye be safe

quasi ingot
cobalt sphinx
heavy canopy
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Like if you aren’t getting 4 CP’s per FoK, you lose 33% DPS, right?

frigid flint
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What stats should I put on crafted gear?

coral ibex
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no

weary swallow
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does anyone have a mouseover shadowstep macro

drowsy hatch
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
coral ibex
heavy canopy
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Well, you go from 2 GCD’s per Envenom to 3 GCD’s

balmy condor
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by ignoring bleeds

heavy canopy
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In the spam window

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Of Envenom DPS sorry

cobalt sphinx
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if you have your autoattack toggled off and use no other abilities or poisons maybe

crimson current
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lol

drowsy hatch
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and if the envenom buff had a .1s duration

heavy canopy
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Lmao yeah ofc

novel star
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is this what the stats page does to your brain

crimson current
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lil bro have only fok and envenom at his bar

heavy canopy
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I just mean, you’re casting Envenom every 3rd GCD instead of every other

coral ibex
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and if that was the sum total of your damage output you might be right

heavy canopy
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Alright fine, nvm

coral ibex
#

but it isn't

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so you aren't

balmy condor
#

yeh so like if nothing else matters and there's nothing doing damage except envenom and the fok damage you're doing also doesn't matter and the extra cp you're spending on the envenom also don't matter

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you would lose 33% of your damage

runic hinge
#

I’m not cause I always crit

heavy canopy
#

I already corrected myself but fine

sudden hollow
#

Hi quick Question it may sound weird but I'm new to Assa. If I have to DN buff running and stealthing into another pack using Ambush first (which gives me 3 DS stacks), do I have to consume the DN buff first in order to be able to get use out of my Deathstalker's mark? Hope you understand what I mean by that

coral ibex
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built diffy

crimson current
#

i mean 2 or 3 less envenom in a pack wouldnt make that big of a difference ig

runic hinge
#

Imagine not critting ICANT

cobalt sphinx
#

the thing is, there is a major cost to gearing for pure crit and that has already been run through simulations

balmy condor
# heavy canopy I already corrected myself but fine

yeah but even the correction is kinda wrong, because lets say you generate 4 instead of 5 with a fok. That means you would lose 33% of casts, not 33% of the damage, because each envenom would be 7cp isntead of 5cp

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and you're not accounting for the fact that the crit is going into another stat

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like mastery

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so your envenoms are dealing more, even though you're casting less

heavy canopy
#

True, definitely, but I do think 3 GCD vs 2 GCD is a substantial line to cross

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At least I feel it is during my runs

balmy condor
#

okay but there is no "line"

drowsy hatch
#

I bet if you actually ran the numbers on your overall run dmg it would be inconsequential

coral ibex
#

it would be if losing that gcd was crucial to damage output, but it isn't

balmy condor
#

like you don't go from 40 to 41% crit

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and magically start getting 5cp

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it's linear

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you just get 5 more often

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you could have 99% crit and 40 targets, miss the crit on every single one, and still need to fok again

coral ibex
#

i guarantee you cannot tell what your crit stat is at any moment of a key just based on feel

unkempt heath
#

It's not like envenom is your sole source of damage

heavy canopy
#

Here’s where averages are very cool

balmy condor
#

yeh but that's not what you're doing

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you're talking about averages and then removing all nuance from it

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you can't say going from 4 to 5 and then also claim averages, cause like

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that's not how that works obviously

drowsy hatch
#

averages hurts the argument for slightly more crit than it helps it lol

balmy condor
#

but yeh

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this is why we have sims

drowsy hatch
#

especially when the alternative stats give more consistent damage

cobalt sphinx
#

the percentage gain on your crit chance from gearing for it is also so low that it will not be noticeable

heavy canopy
#

It’s fine that you don’t have all the nuances, but obviously I do, you know

balmy condor
#

???

heavy canopy
#

I don’t sim every dungeon

balmy condor
#

this isn't about simming every dungeon

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this is just a general thing

heavy canopy
#

Packs sizes and routes are different though

coral ibex
#

heavy is the head that holds the nuance...

balmy condor
#

I mean at the risk of quoting a wise man

drowsy hatch
#

yeah that isnt changing this math

heavy canopy
#

A Dslice might want X% crit because the sim pack sizes work great with that

balmy condor
#

dslice has variances

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for exactly this reason

drowsy hatch
#

if we wanted to eliminate variance

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we would just run 10 patchwerk

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lol

heavy canopy
#

So it’ll give you the best crit % if you had the same build for every dungeon, right?

marble hemlock
#

just remove sims. no variance anymore. youre welcome.

quasi ingot
#

im glad you guys are smart and figure this all out. i just copy pasta and figure out / understand what and why 🙂

limber lion
drowsy hatch
#

smh can never win

heavy canopy
#

Now I’m saying, when I do Siege 12’s, I do substantially more FoK’s than in my Ara 12’s, so maybe I could use some more crit for Siege

woven shore
#

Whispyr

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Is rogue unplayble after the nerf?

quasi ingot
#

yes its horrible

woven shore
quasi ingot
#

reroll to Surv Hunter

heavy canopy
woven shore
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Dude

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Survival apartently has the best value for Pi

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Time to respec so i maybe get atleast one

balmy condor
#

no point trying to convince you of something you don't want to be convinced on

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just wasting my time

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is what it is

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but all good

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hope you find success and good fortune

limber lion
balmy condor
#

may your foks crit

heavy canopy
#

You’re all against me being low on crit for no reason lmao

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You don’t even know what my crit % is atm

limber lion
#

Doesn't matter

woven shore
#

18%?

coral ibex
#

whatever it is, it doesn't matter

balmy condor
#

no one cares what your crit is, we're trying to tell you how to evaluate and think about your stats

heavy canopy
#

Like why’re you even correcting me

limber lion
#

It's linear, who cares

heavy canopy
#

I should just sim Dslice and use that?

balmy condor
#

yes

limber lion
#

You won't magically crit with every fok by getting 2% more crit

woven shore
#

Because whispyr is the guy you ask about Assassination rogue

heavy canopy
#

What a fun game

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Spreadsheet simulator

runic hinge
#

????

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Duh

frosty bridge
coral ibex
#

you can do whatever you want, but if you come here and post nonsense people will engage

heavy canopy
#

I enjoy reasoning about it and trying things out lmao

balmy condor
#

I mean people like you want to be optimal to the last 0.000001% talking about swapping stats for each dungeon

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and when given a tool that can do that for you

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you're mad

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tf do you want

limber lion
#

Lmao

heavy canopy
#

I wanna solve the problem myself

woven shore
#

???????

heavy canopy
#

Cause that’s what games are all about

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Lmao

drowsy hatch
#

you both invented the problem

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and are trying to solve

potent ferry
woven shore
#

Hahahahahahhahahaha

drowsy hatch
#

and wont use tools to solve

quasi ingot
coral ibex
#

you are trying to optimize FOK CP generation and complaining about spreadsheet optimization???

balmy condor
#

okay well have fun running like 85,000 runs of the same dungeon to get a big enough sample size to solve the problem yourself

runic hinge
frosty bridge
hallow pelican
#

but youre here asking questions ... defeats the purpose of the whole "YOURSELF" thing

woven shore
balmy condor
#

your question requires too much precision

balmy condor
#

we have sims to provide that precision

potent ferry
#

I wonder when MA gets muted in here

woven shore
#

Jaqcues bist du das du idiot?

heavy canopy
#

Y’all are hilarious

balmy condor
#

I'm dead serious actually

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you can't have it both ways

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either you compromise on your precision

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or you give in and use a tool that can be more precise

drifting cloud
#

just follow your heart, feels over sims

limber lion
#

Man plays a +8 Siege, does 2.5m damage, then follows it with another +8 Siege and does 1.6m. Must be the food buff that you forgot to eat in the beginning of the second key.

woven shore
#

You have to transendence into ChatGBT my friend

spice spire
severe canyon
crimson zephyr
#

isn't it nice when you have a plan to change you gear and you craft the new item and the second one you think "I probably passed on it several times" but then you find it in your inventory from god knwos when. perfect. xD

balmy condor
#

you're out here measuring nanometers with a yardstick trying to figure it out yourself and when we hand you the tools needed for measurement you're getting mad at us for trying to help

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like idk what you're expecting here

heavy canopy
#

You need a bot that just goes “sim it” whenever someone tries to reason anything🤪

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I’m not mad lol

cobalt sphinx
#

i think people are giving logical answers too

limber lion
#

Measuring nanometers with a yardstick.

cobalt sphinx
#

that the difference will not be noticeable

storm forum
#

we are in the greatest generation of feelcraft, where we have like 15 variations with slightly different gameplay differences, and somehow we're out here talking about feelcraft for 1% secondary stat differences?

limber lion
#

Truly the modern day Shakespeare

hallow pelican
#

this guy has to be trolling

drowsy hatch
#

But we also gave our opinionated reasonings

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as to why it doesnt matter

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you just didnt like it

woven shore
#

Whispyr since when do you dig so deep into someone saying / asking something stupid?

cobalt sphinx
#

there could be many reasons that you cast more foks, that could have to do with target count -- smaller pulls

limber lion
#

So many filter hits today lol

woven shore
#

My men having a bad day

cobalt sphinx
#

fok will give you full cps when there are a lot of little spiders, but not when you're pulling 3 mobs at a time

heavy canopy
cobalt sphinx
#

to me, the adaptation would be to fok again

balmy condor
#

you swapping 1500 crit in and out is not adapting, it's just cope

cobalt sphinx
#

the answers to your questions are very rarely ever stat distributions

drowsy hatch
#

man I wish I could fok more

woven shore
storm forum
#

i wish SS fully filled my CP so i could fok less

woven shore
balmy condor
heavy canopy
#

If it’s negligible, then that’s not the answer for sure

molten flicker
storm forum
balmy condor
#

everything you've said in the last 20 minutes is negligible man

storm forum
#

shrouded suffocation

heavy canopy
#

But 10% more crit’s not negligible imo

woven shore
#

The shit with the stealth abilities?

marble hemlock
#

why are you on a discord asking about crit, when you wanna solve the problem yourself

cobalt sphinx
#

if you want more crit, min/maxing MA will take you a lot farther

balmy condor
#

that's true actually

woven shore
#

True

coral ibex
#

every second posting here, you aren't gathering more data

heavy canopy
#

I’m not trying to solve all problems, you know

woven shore
#

XDDDDDDD

balmy condor
#

no, just the ones you refuse help on

marble hemlock
#

well, the problem you asked about has been solved.

heavy canopy
#

Just wanna get my DPS up on these runs

woven shore
#

So solve the problems you dont want to solve with Raidbots

merry bison
drowsy hatch
limber lion
runic hinge
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Play better

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That’s how you get it up

limber lion
#

Giga copium

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That's all it is

runic hinge
#

Bet you make more mistakes than your secondary stats matter

storm forum
#

i will never post my logs in here

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cause i know i can play better and i dont

woven shore
#

If you want your dps to get better then practise when/ how to use cooldowns in specific dungeons

storm forum
#

and i dont wanna get roasted

woven shore
#

Rotations

runic hinge
#

My logs suck and I deserve to be roasted but I keep raiding drunk so I deserve it

limber lion
#

Literally just learn to press your buttons better

drowsy hatch
#

It's funny too cause I bet this would matter with other classes

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but assa is like, the king of not caring

spice spire
woven shore
#

My logs suck too

little elk
#

just ran a key with master assassin and twist the knife, couldnt really tell a difference from the standard hybrid build. play what you want i guess lol

marble hemlock
storm forum
#

assa is the king of "literally everything is within margin of error"

balmy condor
drowsy hatch
pliant gazelle
#

How do you guys handle your dots on Silken Court mythic ? I already track garrot and rupture on boss frame, but I'm wondering if I should aslo track poisons to ensure venomous wounds.

balmy condor
#

deathstalker 2 target with ct?

mystic crest
#

CT on mythic brood troll or not troll?

balmy condor
#

sounds like fok angle

thick sail
marble hemlock
balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

theyre spread fairly often in p2/p3

balmy condor
pliant gazelle
#

I'm playing Fatebound

marble hemlock
#

talk to me when you stop wiping to kyveza bozo

balmy condor
#

HUHHHHHHH

mystic crest
#

Okay I keep full sending ct then

balmy condor
#

fatebound in 2 target is crazy

merry bison
woven shore
#

Im so bad what the fuck

coral ibex
#

i thought fok was a 3t move

marble hemlock
#

you fok for clear the witnesses

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and that kinda applies poison anyway

drowsy hatch
#

its 2t with momentum and precision

marble hemlock
#

but you also kinda hit both targets from time to time cuz one of them tends to jump away

drowsy hatch
#

or whatever the thing before ct is called

marble hemlock
#

intermittently

woven shore
#

Dude how the fuck do i improve

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Whisp

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Logs are rng based

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Right

marble hemlock
#

play enhance

woven shore
#

Mechanic and shit

#

😦

balmy condor
#

but there's people in here that will optimize dslice until their fingers bleeds

drowsy hatch
#

Just blame kill times

balmy condor
#

overfit the model

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lets fucking go

drowsy hatch
#

and get more PIs

spice spire
#

Extremely based answer

heavy canopy
#

Like you, Whispyr? Lmao

spice spire
#

Kill time diffy

limber lion
#

Minmaxing dslice without even knowing what dslice is.

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:))

balmy condor
drifting cloud
feral mason
#

just blame the rat in your cap

drowsy hatch
#

if you think Whispyr overdoes dslice

woven shore
#

Wtf is dslice

feral mason
#

he is the one with the skill issue

merry bison
#

It gets better and better in here

drowsy hatch
#

wait til you see a real dslice monster

woven shore
#

Dslice dez nutz

spice spire
balmy condor
#

bro knows nothing about what I do but comes out of the woodwork to try and sneak a gotchu

woven shore
balmy condor
#

incredible

woven shore
#

Im 16years old bro...

drowsy hatch
#

Whispyr wont even post 6 different M+ builds on wowhead cmon now

balmy condor
woven shore
#

We all know that you are a porn artist whisp

merry bison
drowsy hatch
#

sorry my number isnt bigger

#

I'm a worse person

balmy condor
#

bigger number bigger hole

marble hemlock
#

ngl

pliant remnant
marble hemlock
#

assa has become weird

woven shore
marble hemlock
#

why are yall turning on each other instead of turning on the outlaw mains?

rain mortar
#

False

runic hinge
storm forum
#

we're been weird i think

limber lion
drifting cloud
pliant remnant
woven shore
#

Acehole

pliant remnant
marble hemlock
#

learn to hate correctly, jeez

feral mason
marble hemlock
feral mason
#

i wont fall for this instigating ⏹️

marble hemlock
#

stop being a drone, think for yourself

runic hinge
#

Isn’t this a spec war

thin portal
#

Did you call for outlaw mains

drowsy hatch
#

thats a good point I think I should hate more

storm forum
#

I've decided to give OLs a break since AR got shafted and their stats got fucked

pliant gazelle
balmy condor
#

I guess?

marble hemlock
drowsy hatch
#

It's the bad one

woven shore
#

Dude im waiting for assa rogue to have a bug

Something like
"Bleeds stack"

heavy canopy
pliant remnant
#

Homie doing 7s when he hasn't even filled vault yet

merry bison
pliant remnant
balmy condor
#

I'm not filling vault

pliant gazelle
#

My brain cant follow two targets swapping all the time with deathstalker

balmy condor
#

I'm doing grim batol

marble hemlock
#

then dont play deathstalker

pliant remnant
#

You're missing out on the Myth track Grim Batol in the last M+ slot

feral mason
#

just do one more 10 please whispyr

balmy condor
#

I still get 2 slots every week

drowsy hatch
#

bigger batol bigger hole

balmy condor
feral mason
#

ok

balmy condor
#

I did 3 more grim batols after that

marble hemlock
#

the dps check on mythic silken court is kinda piss, as long as everyone stays alive and isnt running against the wall with autowalk, you will kill the boss

woven shore
#

What talent points do you switch for MA?

tawny geyser
#

You really hate M+ dont you?

heavy canopy
#

How many GB’s are you at now?

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

so if playing deathstalker is taking away some brainpower and makes you not be able to pay as much attention to the actual boss, dont play it. its that shrimple.

woven shore
storm forum
azure flare
#

Damn I missed stupidity

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

dw theres more to come soon im sure

azure flare
#

Lmfao

marble hemlock
#

its like

heavy canopy
#

I’m not that stupid, I swear…

marble hemlock
#

when one person says smth stupid and they go away eventually

woven shore
marble hemlock
#

someone else takes their place 100%

#

guaranteed

woven shore
#

When you speak of the Devil

drowsy hatch
quaint spindle
storm forum
azure flare
#

Cut the head off from a hydra and 2 more grow in place

drowsy hatch
#

like 1 talent in zoldyck poison gives 175% execute poison dmg

limber lion
woven shore
azure flare
feral mason
quaint spindle
heavy canopy
earnest remnant
marble hemlock
red bloom
#

been afk the last week so just opened my vault, is this any good?

drowsy hatch
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
#

so dont talk to me for like 10 seconds

drowsy hatch
woven shore
pliant remnant
#

yo chat

balmy condor
lyric stirrup
pliant remnant
#

is that good?

earnest remnant
#

ngl i dont check 90% of the pings i get in the middle of the night

limber lion
earnest remnant
#

that shit gets ticked with "marked as read"

marble hemlock
#

live pov of whispyr in siege when his fok didnt crit

little elk
#

Anub-Fizzcrank help

strong wigeon
#

someday i get my upgrade

marble hemlock
balmy condor
novel star
#

nya :3

balmy condor
#

I'm getting attacked on 2 fronts

marble hemlock
#

which one

balmy condor
#

bowling alley

marble hemlock
#

oh

balmy condor
#

he's talking about microwaving sardines

marble hemlock
#

no qutting after all?

balmy condor
storm forum
#

good luck hiding the body o7

marble hemlock
limber lion
novel star
limber lion
#

Friggin nerds

marble hemlock
#

maybe you are kindred spirits

balmy condor
novel star
#

scheisse...

balmy condor
#

he's a real estate guy

coral ibex
#

i remember when max had you on to talk about rogue a few months ago you said you were a mechanic, are you a mechanic at the bowling alley

novel star
#

even worse

marble hemlock
novel star
#

how bored are real estate guys

#

now that i say it like that

limber lion
#

Maybe I'm sleeping when you're here

novel star
#

i get it

limber lion
#

The shift change

novel star
#

nevermind

limber lion
#

Except I'm not working anymore

novel star
#

id be fuckin up sardines too

heavy canopy
#

I used to be a mechanic at a bowling alley, huh

marble hemlock
#

imagine wanting to talk to people like the people in here regularly

#

touch grass, get a life

#

or farm grim batol ig

balmy condor
#

he just told me that donald trump is the way he is because real estate people want to shoot people, and that's why cops become cops instead of real estate people

#

get me out

#

what is he even

#

talking about

marble hemlock
#

flawless logic

#

hes cooking

drowsy hatch
#

did you ask him about flensing knives

marble hemlock
#

let him cook

coral ibex
#

he's just enlightened

limber lion
#

Hmmm

balmy condor
#

I mean it's still better than this place

#

but ya know

#

at least make sense pls

slate crown
#

And this is what I see

heavy canopy
#

Sniffed too much bowling lane oil, now I’m stupid and think my crit levels matter🙃 I’m sorry guys, I’ll find something else to improve on and not fixate on this crit thing. It just feels awful to FoK twice🫠

balmy condor
umbral sigil
#

just stack haste

balmy condor
#

never open discord

umbral sigil
#

for fun

limber lion
#

Gonna feel awful with 50% crit as well

#

Nothings gonna change

mystic crest
#

Send full haste vers angle

umbral sigil
#

break the meta

marble hemlock
#

no one likes foking a lot, but it happens, no matter the amount of crit you have

heavy canopy
#

I hear you, will just get better at the game then

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

sometimes it just doesnt wanna crit

drowsy hatch
#

I personally like foking

marble hemlock
#

and i still think sometimes it just bugs

limber lion
#

17 targets, 1 cp

normal mist
limber lion
#

Very sick

umbral sigil
#

I like folking

marble hemlock
#

like

marble hemlock
#

first pull tol dagor

#

40+ mobs

#

60% crit

#

fok

#

1cp

novel star
#

does this mean its accurate and your boss is a schizophrenic racist

marble hemlock
#

??

heavy canopy
novel star
#

or the opposite

#

im trying to unpack this

balmy condor
woven shore
balmy condor
#

who's gonna stop her

drowsy hatch
#

It's my shtick

novel star
limber lion
#

Fuck fok

marble hemlock
woven shore
#

XDDDDD

runic hinge
#

I mut in aoe so I don’t experience the pain of one combo point Fok