assassination

[austere fog]

and all the mechanics and mobs names and add names

and ther spel names

the damge it does

i set up the healing CD"S

the order of defensives

i talk to other raid leaders

[manic coral]

let them use the note for it

[austere fog]

we have had better luck as me as 21rst man

[balmy condor]

okay this convo isn't really going anywhere

[austere fog]

no i appreciatre it whspyr

thank you for the info

[balmy condor]

np

[austere fog]

just everyone chiming in all at once

makes it diffcult

[balmy condor]

happens

[austere fog]

ill def look into not overcapping my abilties

[visual vault]

ya i dont even know how streamers can talk to chat while playing rogue

[austere fog]

and just fnishing at 5

[frank condor]

if you can be an outlaw gamer or a sub gamer you probably will have an easier time than playing sin

[cunning needle]

imagine being a rogue streamer

[frank condor]

and have more fun

[austere fog]

ive alwayts been going to 7

[cunning needle]

outlaw raidlead?

[austere fog]

for finishers

[cunning needle]

[foggy juniper]

thats why tanks lead usually

[visual vault]

cant be me im monkeybrain

[upper wraith]

Wtb rogue streamer

[austere fog]

i get it says 5 or more

[balmy condor]

I used to raid lead, chat, and play idk

assa is a vibe

[austere fog]

but i always figured 7 is better then 5

[prisma sundial]

sub is def the best spec to raid lead

[austere fog]

didnt think it was hindering my dps

[foggy juniper]

its ret

[austere fog]

to go 7 over 5

[balmy condor]

it is

[foggy juniper]

and devo

[austere fog]

thats good to know

[prisma sundial]

im saying for rogue

[visual vault]

not surprised. i saw u editing macros in the middle of ovinax fight.

[dawn heath]

Assa is probably a decent Melee to raid lead on its pretty slow paced

[austere fog]

thats def huge

because i know i cap CP alot

[visual vault]

that's crazy to me

[austere fog]

for alot of my finishers

[balmy condor]

[dawn heath]

Outlaw on the other hand

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

assa banger spec

[foggy juniper]

now you trolling

[balmy condor]

get to edit macros mid fight

[visual vault]

"chat lied to me they broke my shiv"

kek

i was there what a good moment

[cunning needle]

ehhh i don't think so. assi you gotta keep track of

rupture/garrote/energy/cp/envenom

sub is just
rupture/energy/cp

you do your burst then afk for another 30 seconds

[foggy juniper]

lol

bait

legit bait

[prisma sundial]

i think your baiting

[spice spire]

Dog what is happening

[frank condor]

it's not terrible but for some fights it really sucked like ovinax

[foggy juniper]

even casual said that sub is at least 5x harder to play than sin

[visual vault]

check wowhead

[thick sail]

@balmy condor remember when I was trying to play Twist the Knife back in like, Shadowlands?

I am very pleased they finally made it useful

[foggy juniper]

guess he is baiting too

[hollow river]

Whole lotta dumb shit

[coral ibex]

hard to have a good perspective on the entire raid when you are up a boss's ass

[prisma sundial]

everyones baiting

[cunning needle]

unironically i find sin harder than sub

[prisma sundial]

imo sub is easier than sin

[balmy condor]

some guy came in with some questionable takes and some interesting logs, got real defensive, people jumped him even harder for being defensive, now we're shitposting random nonsense

[foggy juniper]

sub you have to manage more cds, its way more apm heavy

[balmy condor]

I'd rather forget

[spice spire]

Ahh

[visual vault]

i love hanging out here

[dawn heath]

I mean range raid leading will be superior in Theory but you should just have your most competent willing player to raid lead

[spice spire]

Ty for tldr

[foggy juniper]

sub*

[frank condor]

new sub is a vibe, shadowdust was cursed

[sand briar]

im trying to sim what i should be dumping my crests into next and i thought i limited it to 90 crests so itd only use 1 new crafted item or upgrade 1 item, but the sim is using all crafted gear still. can anyone give me a hand with what i did wrong? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6cajmCogBK5cBhgDPpmg5a

[real granite]

sometimes convos here are like a rap videoclip where there's a lot of nonamed dumb adds hyping, screaming and saying "yeah, thats right!" around the singer

[severe sparrow]

im legitimately too dumb for shadowdust

[austere fog]

how are you at 2million dps.... at the end of a 5 minute fight,...,.,

[cunning needle]

nah sub has this perception about a lot to manage, but you really just upkeep rupture and press dance with symbols 90% of the time

[austere fog]

wtf...

[coral ibex]

dslice isnt a 5 min fight

[severe sparrow]

when i was trying to do sub for smoldy i wanted to kms

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice

[austere fog]

so let me ask you this when you watch those guys in liquid and method doiing world first...

[balmy condor]

your crafted gear doesn't cost anything according to the sim

[austere fog]

how the fuck are there rogues doing ver 2 million on queen

[foggy juniper]

secret tech, blade

[dawn heath]

I was raid leading and 99 parsing on mythic progression back in legion/bfa

[austere fog]

for a good portion of the fight

[dawn heath]

Pretty good stuff

[balmy condor]

lots of aoe

[austere fog]

i know there the best in the world but

like dman.,

[cunning needle]

blades/flag are a major cd that are basically pressed together

sectech is pressed with dance

[austere fog]

and i know they play sub

over assass

[balmy condor]

it's just aoe

[austere fog]

for the add damage

[cunning needle]

everything is just pressed together

[austere fog]

thats what i figured

[balmy condor]

big number brrr

[coral ibex]

the difference in skill between you and them is greater than you can conceive of

[austere fog]

there AoE on adds is huge

[balmy condor]

hit many target brrr

[austere fog]

and they make sure they have ST CB

for that root break

for huge AOE crit damage

[sand briar]

ah is there a way to limit it to only 1 new crafted item easily then? or do i just need to sim 1 at a time?

[frank condor]

you're triggering sub mains so hard rn lmao

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhh

[foggy juniper]

its bait

[austere fog]

i just did a quick dummy 5 minute parse and ngl.... finishing at 5 all the time and mutliating at 4 max and finishing.

thjat felt alot smoother

i had more energy to

[balmy condor]

let me think about it I'll get back to you on that

[cunning needle]

dw there's only 9 of them anyway so they probably havent even seen this message

[prisma sundial]

thats probably why you felt energy starved earlier today when you talked about the tea changes

[austere fog]

i stayed over 1..5 million for alot longer then i normally do

[frank condor]

we're all sub mains on the last 2 bosses, probably

[austere fog]

using that advice

over not overcapping

[frank condor]

or sub larpers maybe

[cunning needle]

im trying to figure out whether to play sub or assi for SC

[austere fog]

didnt realize i was doing that so bad

[coral ibex]

the difference is the far right guy is actually pressing the right buttons

[foggy juniper]

on silken? no lol

[frank condor]

because why? trickster slams and mandate lines up with dam amps pretty ez

[dawn heath]

The middle guy blue parse coper is so real though

[cunning needle]

we all fuck up our rotation, don't take criticism of it personally. Even someone who gets r1 parse you could still likely find something wrong with it

[foggy juniper]

cuz sin is better on silken

just cuz that

[mystic crest]

Outlaw

[cunning needle]

pistol goes boom boom boom 手槍砰砰砰 infinite power無限的力量great shame for family對家人來說是極大的恥辱banned by heavenly decree被天命所禁止would do it again會再做

[dawn heath]

He thinks cause he got one mechanic once his log was ruined he lost uptime for 5s over a 12 min kill thats why he green logged

[mystic crest]

Hahaha

[austere fog]

welp. i cant parse right now anyway server is lagging so hard

[spice spire]

Tea quenches thirst手槍砰砰砰 Spin the Blade 無限的力量 Infinite energy 對家人來說是極大的恥辱 500 bleeds 被天命所禁止 2 year silence 會再做一次

[austere fog]

i go to hit envenom and 3 seconds later it hits

[cunning needle]

eyyyy fresh pasta?

[visual vault]

fuck this is so good

[spice spire]

Sometimes I black out and just kinda

Meme

It’s either that or uwu pasta

[cunning needle]

beast master hunter 野兽掌握猎人 Collect many cute pets 收集许多可爱的宠物 Skill commands cause massive damage 技能命令造成大量伤害 Small indies hate hunters 小独立人讨厌猎人

mate made this one for BM hunters

[visual vault]

im gonna add that to my shiv tea macro

[cunning needle]

authentic pasta cooked up by an indonesian

[coral ibex]

i prefer the old ulduar pastas

[balmy condor]

@sand briar was a lot faster than I thought, aighty here we go, multi step.

Step 1, image 1. Search your item, at garbage poop item level and add it to the sim
Step 2, image 2 and 3. After adding your item, hit the + and it'll give you the option to upgrade it to whatever track (623 for example), that will cost crests.
Step 3, image 4. After you do that, recraft it to 636. Now it should say 636 and it'll have a blue "upgrade cost" under it.
Step 4. Repeat for all your crafted gear, make sure you select/deselect the ones you want to sim, resim the crests/upgrades, should evaluate everything as intended

[coral ibex]

patchwerk fat american 胖胖美国人angered hits on armored men对装甲兵的怒吼intentional pain river keeps others safe故意痛苦的河流使他人安全medics focus those who eat fists医务人员将重点放在那些吃拳头的人身上

[cunning needle]

to add on to this - make sure you put in the settings at the top the amount of crests/stones you need or want to sim with

[dawn heath]

Afaik no one has been banned

[coral ibex]

黄色忍者 Yellow Ninja 申请摧毁盔甲 Apply Destroy the armor 中等伤害 Moderate damage 获得战刃优先 brown evil man still take warblade priority

[sand briar]

tysm ❤️

[coral ibex]

brown evil man

[balmy condor]

no one except like

a bunch of people?

[dawn heath]

They are still on raider io

[balmy condor]

yeah

haven't been rolled back yet

[cunning needle]

Is your guild wiping 200 attempt broodtwister??? 肯德基 KFC ULTIMATE ZINGER BOX designed 消滅飢餓 to twIST that hunger

[balmy condor]

but wox was talking on stream about getting 2 weeks

[foggy juniper]

2 weeks of vacation, good

[mystic crest]

With the kingsbane bug fix are we all rerolling balance druid

[foggy juniper]

id take it

[dawn heath]

I mean the guy tomelvis still playing

[spice spire]

Miss me w that

[dawn heath]

He was streaming cheating keys

[coral ibex]

i'd get my account permabanned before i play a fucking boomie

[austere fog]

hey whyisper

[foggy juniper]

boomie is disgusting

[dawn heath]

He did a key like 6 hours ago

[austere fog]

so i no mutiliate will overcap me if im at like 5 6 CP right

[mystic crest]

Chicken go boom

[austere fog]

what if garrote is about to fall off and im at 6 cp

can i garrote to hit 7

then evneom

or is it still not worth it

just evenom at 5 or more always first

[hollow river]

Not every single person that abused the bug got banned, but many did

[austere fog]

because garrote gives me 1 CP

[visual vault]

i play this on an alt and its a lot of fun dying in bear form

[coral ibex]

refresh garrote earlier in pandemic

[spice spire]

If you’re within 1s of it lapsing the one is fine.
But in general it’s best to envenom or whatever finisher then garrote

[coral ibex]

before you have 6cp

[cunning needle]

wait can garrote even crit?

the cast

[severe sparrow]

people keep telling me id like feral cuz i like sin but being a cat is a turn off idk

[foggy juniper]

be a fire cat

win

[coral ibex]

feral is assa at home

its not the same

[foggy juniper]

yeah, its better

[coral ibex]

xd

[balmy condor]

ofc

[spice spire]

You go meow tho

[balmy condor]

pretty much everything that isn't a residual can crit

[spice spire]

Literally cat pfp wdym

[balmy condor]

so like garrote? ofc can crit

sanguine blades? nah

sanguine blades is a residual that does damage based on garrote

[cunning needle]

but can the cast of garrote crit?

i swear i've never seen it crit

[severe sparrow]

yeah but i have meow at home, and it never shuts up

[balmy condor]

idk what that means

it's a dot

[coral ibex]

man if caustic could crit

[balmy condor]

what cast is critting

[hollow river]

He means to get extra cp

[coral ibex]

assa would be so insane

[quasi ingot]

NOOB QUESTION: what does pooling mean? i seen alot of people talking about

[coral ibex]

not spending energy

[cunning needle]

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice spire]

You could do it in game too tho

[balmy condor]

"critical strikes with attacks that generate combo points"

[mystic crest]

I play 0 energy sin rogue

[balmy condor]

garrote is not a strike nor an attack

[dawn heath]

I bricked a big key today made me very sadge

[balmy condor]

it's a bleed

[visual vault]

i have a feral friend and he never shuts up about not getting buffed so it checks out

[cunning needle]

yeah so it can't crit which means it always generates 1cp

so it should be fine to press at 6cp to get your last cp

right?

[balmy condor]

if it's in pandemic sure

[cunning needle]

assuming pandemic refresh etc

[dawn heath]

I lost 15 nw to me Beeing cross eyed

Hook too hard to hit

[cunning needle]

happens to the best of us

[dawn heath]

Would have been world rank 20 key

[glass lagoon]

Guys, I'm dumb but how do you maintain mark? Watching whispyr's video and can't understand how he reapplies mark without ambushing or something like that
https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?t=3876

[coral ibex]

7cp envenom with darkest night buff active

i didn't check the timestamp

just assuming

[dawn heath]

Envenomnom

[deft vault]

If you drop sikran neck in your vault is it 639 or 626? Guildie tell me its 626

[coral ibex]

sikran neck drops at max ilvl of the track you obtain it

so if its in a myth box it should be 639

[deft vault]

yeah in the raid but is that the same for vault?

[coral ibex]

i had a hero in my vault this week let me check

drops max ilvl

[cunning needle]

626 on hero track

not mythic track

[coral ibex]

you can't get it in a myth box?

[cunning needle]

well you can

if its the myth one its mythic

[tawdry crypt]

whats the subterfuge build for key

[coral ibex]

yea so if it drops in the myth box it will be 639

[cunning needle]

yeah

[coral ibex]

this sims best for me in dslice

[mystic crest]

No supercharger

[vapid geode]

any one good at reading logs and willing to help me out?

[mystic crest]

Pain

[tawdry crypt]

isn't it still bugged

[coral ibex]

no

its just dog in aoe situations

[tawdry crypt]

you don't take double vanish with sub build?

[coral ibex]

you can if you want

[mystic crest]

-7% damage or something like that

[coral ibex]

it doesnt decrease the cd or increase the regen rate

you just get 1-2 more vanishes per dungeon

[real granite]

personally, i would only take it in nw and tirna

[oak tangle]

happy to take a look

[real granite]

specially in nw can be very usefull

[vapid geode]

i am running an off build but still suffering in ST https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bKCZd1YacnVzNmAx#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=567&start=12545392&end=12714232

[tawdry crypt]

how much better is it

sub vs super

[urban lily]

Sanguine made me sim way better than ttk for m+

[oak tangle]

sir, where is your caustic spatter

[vapid geode]

thats a boss

[oak tangle]

ohh thought it was whole key

[vapid geode]

it might be but i am just trynna figure out ST

u almost had me sick

[urban lily]

I'm not running ttk and st is fine

Idk

[oak tangle]

you have alot of space between all your gcd's, some times during cd's too

[coral ibex]

you are ideally gcd locked in cd's, sending as many envenoms as possible

[vapid geode]

so i need to try and press more during KB/ deathmark

[coral ibex]

more envenoms during kb = faster kb stacking = more damage

[oak tangle]

it looks kinda like regular pooling, but then you're doing it every 15 seconds which is sussy

[vapid geode]

should i be sending envenom if im at 150 energy but have like 2-3 sec on envenom buff left?

outside of cds

[coral ibex]

do you run ttk

[oak tangle]

they are

[vapid geode]

as of now yes

[coral ibex]

yea then you play for highest stack/uptime

[vapid geode]

not to sound dumb but wouldnt that mean to hold out on the buff as long as i can?

[oak tangle]

you want to keep uptime on second stack

as much as possible

[coral ibex]

yea it can still involve some pooling

you pandemic the shorter stack

(this is why tracking the stacks separately is good)

[urban lily]

The dif is really small tho

To consider the trouble

Just spam it

And pool when needed

[coral ibex]

if you know your cds are coming up theres no reason to spend energy unnecessarily

[urban lily]

Ofc

[oak tangle]

also @vapid geode you also don't use kb with your second DM in that log, probably lost a large chunk from that too

and that lust timing did you dirty

[vapid geode]

should i be saving 2nd?

[coral ibex]

no, dont save cooldowns

send all on cd

(other than shivs for kb when you run 2)

[vapid geode]

ye

i feel like there has to be something big i am missing

[coral ibex]

alignment does a lot for this spec

and losing uses of cds really hurts

[oak tangle]

animate explanation XD

[prisma sundial]

was kb on cd for the DM?

or just not pressing on cd

[oak tangle]

his second was delayed by 15s, but they send dm on cd, then no kb

[burnt star]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vapid geode]

i could be holding KB too much

[oak tangle]

if you dm then you kb

no iffs or buts

[prisma sundial]

ideally you opener, KB on the next CD while DM has 1 min left

then DM KB at 2 mins

[patent snow]

What is DM?

[vapid geode]

deathmark

[prisma sundial]

death mark

[patent snow]

Oh right. I thought this was outside DM.

[vapid geode]

could that result in 100-200k dps increase you think?

[coral ibex]

yes

[prisma sundial]

the graphic is a good represenation of that

the big curve vs small curve

[vapid geode]

okay i will be more strict on it, i think i am holding KB cause i feel like i need more energy but then get too worried about buffs falling off so then its used like 10-15 sec after its been off cd

[coral ibex]

yea, so keep an eye on your cd timers and dont waste energy prior to kb

[prisma sundial]

pool energy if your kb has like 10 seconds on it

and your low

[floral ore]

Can someone look at my log too. I'm struggling particularly in ST. I'm really new to sin rogue and I feel like I'm doing something really wrong.

[vapid geode]

and if im running TTK, i shouldnt be refreshing the last sec of the buff i should be refreshing last sec of 2nd buff

[prisma sundial]

send it here

[floral ore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t4LGcKA932vXbzwB

Thanks kings

[prisma sundial]

last couple seconds but yes

[urban lily]

Just spam envenom

Don't think too much

[vapid geode]

in openers is tea used for the mastery gain?

[urban lily]

Yes

Macro with shiv

[vapid geode]

okay

[raw marlin]

Do you always DM into shiv into KB or are you DM into KB and then waiting until end of DM to shiv?

[coral ibex]

prefer to shiv the end of kb if you only have 1 shiv

kb damage ramps up

[austere fog]

Is there a weak aura or something i can do That shows me with a big ICON or a Warning that Darkest Night is BUffed on me

been min maxing my dps with all that new info i got on my rotation

would love to know what its there with minimal effort and not having to look for it

[alpine oracle]

Is there an item from BRH that we should look for it?? I'm about to get enough for one item

[prisma sundial]

i think your opener needs work

you kingsbane but you dont have caustic

[raw marlin]

Yeah makes sense. I remember somewhere that you would (if 2 shivs) do both of these but not sure as just coming back to rogue after first week 😂

[coral ibex]

sorry i think you blocked anyone who would answer your question

[austere fog]

i only blocked people who were being rude and inconsiderate

so i doubt that.

[real granite]

ill pass you one on dm, and help you tweak it if you want

[austere fog]

got plenty of help from people

thanks bro

[raw marlin]

I need a weakaura that shouts shiv at me when DM has 6 seconds left 😂

[austere fog]

well that didnt take long did it!! lolololol

[floral ore]

Noted. Anything else standing out ? My st is fking cheeks man

[austere fog]

guess i have 1 more person to add to the list now

[prisma sundial]

im not great at looking at logs but i would 100% look at the aoe rotation on wowhead

[patent snow]

Could you pass it to me too please?

[coral ibex]

its in literally every weakaura linked here

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

take your pick

[oak tangle]

throw away that treacherous transmitter, and use skardyns with DM, get yourself a sacbrood or spyglass

[floral ore]

Oh okay so throw my sac on instead of double on use.

[prisma sundial]

you didnt cast a single envenom at the start of your opener

[floral ore]

Oh no

Yeah that's bad hahaha

[coral ibex]

you want envenom rolling before cooldowns

[oak tangle]

i mean treacherous is good, but its so damn fiddly, i'd just go with something simple

[floral ore]

I'm still fumbling a lot. Oh okay that's good to know

[oak tangle]

so you maintain your uptime instead of having to think

[prisma sundial]

yeah also when you do your opener, you should either double garrote or ambush garrote depending on if you have your mark

[slate crown]

Collect or Stand in Circle

[floral ore]

I thought I was doing this I mustn't be tracking mark properly

[prisma sundial]

here you shouldve ambush, garrote, rupture rupture garrote garrote and crimson tempest

[floral ore]

Thanks for pointing that out will start doing that too

[prisma sundial]

this is just your opener im not sure if you do later on or not

[trim junco]

hey folks - im jsut picking up assasination and enjoying it so far, is there a weak aura/addon/plater profile that can tell me how many targets currently have rupture on garrote on them? i am tracking them on nameplates, but things can get hectic in larger pulls, so it can be tough to get a general idea of how many targets still have bleeds up?

Not sure if its a dumb question or if there is something else I should be looking at to get this into - appreciate any insight

[prisma sundial]

but yeah just go to the 5 training dummies and practice your opener and rotation

[coral ibex]

you dont need to track bleeds, you need to track scent of blood stacks

[floral ore]

Oh is this first pull of dung?

[prisma sundial]

yea

[coral ibex]

whispyr's rupture wa tracks scent stacks

[floral ore]

Oh I garrote to get the casters in I think and then ambush late to mark the prio

[coral ibex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[floral ore]

Is that wrong

[oak tangle]

i wish i knew how my edits to plater worked, but i don't so i can't share it, but i have my nameplates have a border when rupture is missing

[trim junco]

gotcha, but dont we want a minimum number of bleeds out to regen energy? hence a bleed tracker? or is scent of blood sufficient?

[alpine oracle]

is there a interesting item from time event raid? I see those daggers with procs but not stats are they any good?

[drowsy hatch]

Everything from brd sucks

or is no better than the np equivalent for hero gear

[trim junco]

via venomous wounds

[prisma sundial]

if you have your mark up and you dont have to apply it, then yeah thats fine just x2 garrote x2 rupture but you should ambush a tanky mob and garrote after which will hit the casters

[coral ibex]

non-empowered garrotes are applied one at a time so not really necessary to spread, you will basically have infinite energy with max scent stacks

[drowsy hatch]

5 ruptures is more than enough for infinite energy

[floral ore]

Okay thanks and could you look at the first boss fight and tell me what I did wrong

Appreciate the help

[wispy epoch]

Hey guys, i need this answered for my group b/c they don't believe me

Can garrote be parried

[coral ibex]

you dont need more than 5 ruptures +1 garrote as far as energy regeneration

[wispy epoch]

in dungeons/raids

[trim junco]

understood, so if i ensure that max scent stacks are present, im good on energy - will this be good enough for damage as well, or should we rupture past max scent stacks?

[limber coral]

Does anyone have a mouseover macro for rupture they could share?

[drowsy hatch]

more ruptures is less damage than sending envenoms after that

[coral ibex]

rupture isn't really a damage spell

[drowsy hatch]

so no need to do more

[coral ibex]

its for energy

[trim junco]

this is great insight - thank you

[coral ibex]

well its damage in the sense you get agility from scent

[prisma sundial]

here your first 3 abilities are fine but you need to mutilate/fan of knives to get to 5+ combo points then envenom before you deathmark kingsbane

[patent snow]

Does Mark apply as a buff to us, or a debuff to our target?

[wispy epoch]

Can garrote be parried/miss in dungeons and raids?

[drowsy hatch]

the vast majority of your damage is gonna come from cleaving off of your caustic splatter target with envenoms and CT

[trim junco]

lastly, what is the max scent stacks? 5?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah 5 stacks

[floral ore]

Ahh I see. Thank you!

[prisma sundial]

debuff to them and dthen darkest night is a buff to us

[drowsy hatch]

I can't speak to garotte specifically but people get their KBs parried a bunch

But I've only seen that in raid (mostly kyveza)

[prisma sundial]

np

[wispy epoch]

ty

[trim junco]

could you clarify the acronym CT?

[drowsy hatch]

crimson tempest

[trim junco]

ty

[limber coral]

in dungeons if packs are dying fast do I just send DM and KB to keep the CD's rolling or do I just wait for a healthier target in upcoming packs

[coral ibex]

dont send cds if you wont get close to a full usage

[oak tangle]

the age old question 🙂

[coral ibex]

since your cds are prio damage

like if your target dies before you even shiv your kb

whats the point

[limber coral]

I notice sometimes assa's send KB but never use DM

[oak tangle]

the entire reason i hate low keys, there is NEVER a good target to cd

[coral ibex]

maybe saving for boss but that sounds like incorrect play

maximizing uses is better

[limber coral]

so they save DM for later but since KB is shorter CD they send it

[prisma sundial]

i just did a 7 for a friend and it felt awful

[drowsy hatch]

I mean it's tough in a very low key to send a good dm

But also DM is only 2 mins

[wispy epoch]

i do not DM on add packs unless it'll be up for boss

yeah

[real granite]

low keys pulls you just dm for lingering shadows

almost impossible to get a good 14s dm

[limber coral]

Thats what I figured I often find myself holding DM and I just feel weird

[oak tangle]

my best advice, if in low keys, tell the group to a) ignore your target, b) pick the second prio target in a pug

[drowsy hatch]

still good to send it for lingering shadows as acroma says

better than holding a cd

[real granite]

i dunno if i would be trying to organize a pug low keys party xD

[oak tangle]

and advice number c) only do non 10's on fort week

[real granite]

probably just send it, pray, and take the L if the target insta dies

[limber coral]

Farming 7's is the reason for this question, gotta finish cappin out runed and often find myself holding KB and DM so just wanted assurance

[prisma sundial]

do you guys mean lingering darkness

[oak tangle]

at that point just coast along, and put a YT vid on

[drowsy hatch]

yeah probably balen

[prisma sundial]

ok had me confused

[drowsy hatch]

I figure people are smart enough

to figure out the thing that happens after dm

[real granite]

yes ¬¬

[prisma sundial]

sorry just had to clarify 🤓☝️

[trim junco]

since you often use KB and DM in unison - when they line up - is there a way to macro them together/cast sequence or is that ill advised?

[coral ibex]

no

they are on the gcd

[drowsy hatch]

dont bother

[oak tangle]

ima DM a critter so it insta gives me that damage to send into a kb

[coral ibex]

just press them

[trim junco]

gotcha

[coral ibex]

deathmark then kb

in raid, press shiv between

[drowsy hatch]

yeah thats the problem with macroing them

its different in raid build

cause the first shiv goes in between

[oak tangle]

im so wigged out without the SnD cast now, im still getting used to being like 3 seconds into the opener ready to dm

[trim junco]

ah ok, in raid DM -> shiv -> KB, M+ its DM -> shiv -> KB -> shiv near end of kb?

[drowsy hatch]

opposite

[coral ibex]

no

you only have 1 shiv in m+

[real granite]

that lonely sbs point after first rupture in opening -> so... im worthless now?

[coral ibex]

so you shiv the last 8s of kb

[trim junco]

ah right, gotcha

[oak tangle]

the m+ difference is you have 1 charge of shiv

[wispy epoch]

why is subterfuge the new meta

[drowsy hatch]

because subterfuge interacts extremely well with master assassin

which you arent taking

[wispy epoch]

....

[oak tangle]

not so worthless, with a CTW and supercharger ripe for an envenom

[prisma sundial]

you can drop sudden demise or sbs for it

[real granite]

supercharguer eww

[trim junco]

where do you find what is 'meta' - i dont see this build on archon.gg?

[wispy epoch]

😠

[drowsy hatch]

most high level rogues now run subterfuge in m+, the details are in the pins

[wispy epoch]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/assassination/rogue/raid/overview/heroic/all-bosses

[wispy epoch]

show me the pins...

[oak tangle]

Subterfuge now affects MA. MA can be basically the entire kb window

[cobalt sphinx]

Are they

[drowsy hatch]

is from what I've seen

[cobalt sphinx]

Oh wow it doesn’t show on mobile unless you go to the message

[pulsar elk]

with improved garrot and/or shrouded suffocation. Do I let that fall off completely, then reapply regular garrot?

[drowsy hatch]

eh maybe I shouldnt say most but it's a good amount

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah, let it fall off or like a second or two

[wispy epoch]

i dont think it's worth giving up sudden demise

for master assassin

[oak tangle]

Entirely depends on how you pull

If you stack trash into cds then MA gonna get stonks

[drowsy hatch]

sim yourself but ive seen plenty of people simming with ma > sd

[wispy epoch]

explain

[oak tangle]

Kb crits on big packs?

Ma makes burst bigger

[hexed frost]

Sudden demise is giga trash now. In DF it was doing 6-8% of damage, now it's barely 2-3%

[west crown]

Sudden demise is good

Just loses value the higher the key

[wispy epoch]

if it's so bad... why is at the bottom tier...

checkmate...

[coral ibex]

huh

[west crown]

What

[coral ibex]

are you a boomer or something why do you end everything with ...

[wispy epoch]

lvl 10 talents

[hexed frost]

MA makes kingsbane crits thicker
Splatter makes those crits into big aoe damage

[west crown]

Just because it’s at the bottom of the tree doesn’t make it good

[cobalt sphinx]

Sudden demise also gives 10% more bleed damage right..

[oak tangle]

A larger pack will end up with less SD damage, likely only from CT as you focus the large target. MA will increase damage to said target cleaving to all.

In turn in low keys SD gets value as you either do less mobs or they don’t live the full duration

[west crown]

Arterial Precision…

[wispy epoch]

arterial prec is good in raids...

[slate crown]

is that a boomer thing or? ...

[wispy epoch]

is calling people boomers a zoomer thing or...

[coral ibex]

very prevalent in people over 50 in my experience

[wispy epoch]

weird experience...

[west crown]

…

[hexed frost]

Master assassin with TTK makes your burst windows yyuuuuuuugggee. On higher keys it's imp to melt packs inside your urst windows

[west crown]

[oak tangle]

More prevalent in passive aggressive people than anything else tbh

[drowsy hatch]

I can concur with the boomer ...

[wispy epoch]

i do my ... to indicate a train of thought being prolonged

[west crown]

But sudden demise isn’t technically accurate in sims so it’s still good if you want to run it

[real granite]

the levels of brainrot...

[cunning needle]

had a manager who was in his 40s or 50s that would do that

[wispy epoch]

run sudden demise or... remember to hit vanish only for kingsbane pop offs...

[trim junco]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[cunning needle]

and i knew he wasnt being passive aggressive

[drowsy hatch]

I mean you can look it up theres articles about boomer ellipses

[cunning needle]

but i couldnt help read it as it was

[coral ibex]

yea i'm not making it up lol

[cunning needle]

... means differently to boomers

[wispy epoch]

not very skibidi of you

[trim junco]

are the associated builds that have subterfuge selected in the wowhead/icy veins loadouts or should I look at a diff channel for them?

[west crown]

Skibidi is zoomer isn’t it

[real granite]

when the only book you've open is the spellbook...

[drowsy hatch]

builds are in the pins

[cunning needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWxAoo1iwbc

[drowsy hatch]

but theres also 5 variations of those builds

so pick your poison

[oak tangle]

Maybe it’s just my culture, but … implies either a rhetorical question or that I should fill in the blanks as they are obvious. Both of which get seen as an assault on intelligence

[wispy epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SgoLjVZIE0

[west crown]

Which also translates to “boomer”

[royal lantern]

older then me = boomer

younger = zoomer

[wispy epoch]

L-rizz

[drowsy hatch]

boomer starts at 22 imo

[west crown]

No

[coral ibex]

boomer originally meant baby boomer but now older people take it offensively

[drowsy hatch]

[west crown]

Don’t do that to me lili

[drowsy hatch]

lmao

[coral ibex]

legit boomers are at miminum in their mid 60's rn

most "boomers" are gen x

[drowsy hatch]

yeah most people mean gen x

[wispy epoch]

y'all should see the irl pic thread on my guild discord

it's wild

[coral ibex]

but they are boomers dude

[wispy epoch]

dudes are 40-50 yrs old

[west crown]

That’s because it’s meant to be offensive

[coral ibex]

yea

because they take it offensively

[oak tangle]

Gen x is the cool generation, Metallica linken park etc

[west crown]

Calling old people boomer was a meme to trigger old people from the start

[wispy epoch]

weird........................................

[coral ibex]

gen x gets triggered by getting called a boomer so it works

[west crown]

Exactly

[wispy epoch]

i literally dont know too many boomers in wow that arent on SoD/vanilla

[coral ibex]

https://www.tiktok.com/@davesampaio/video/7005634265102814469?is_from_webapp=1

typical gen x boomer

[oak tangle]

I wouldn’t expect any or many actual boomers to play wow

[drowsy hatch]

im not clicking a tiktok link in current year tyvm

[slate crown]

my guy linken park is millenial not gen x

[west crown]

Gray = boomer

[real granite]

idk man

[oak tangle]

Right on the borderline

[coral ibex]

its linkin park jesus fuck

im so triggered rn

you boomers

[slate crown]

mmm

[real granite]

i rather be coloquially known as boomer than brainrot gen

[wispy epoch]

i just cant believe i got called a boomer with a jjk pfp

[west crown]

Agreed, get me out

[wispy epoch]

we gotta keep mewing

[oak tangle]

I’m a millennial, but my brother is x and I used to raid all his cd collection as a kid

[wispy epoch]

dont let these zoomers end our mewing streaks

[real granite]

i mean, brainrot is like the peak of offensive generational classification

[coral ibex]

this is how i know you gotta be pushing 40, you are too disconnected to know how to meme

[real granite]

that term got hate

[west crown]

What are we going to call gen alpha

[coral ibex]

whatever they decide to call themselves

[golden loom]

im 26 but felt really fkin old when my friend said he is going to his nephews 10 year birthday party, and the kid was born in 2014

[wispy epoch]

L in chat

[coral ibex]

you are not bringing the BOOM rn

[west crown]

Yeah I’m there. We boomers now

[drowsy hatch]

I make my guildies feel very old

[oak tangle]

I love (not the word) skibidi, because of how the younger generation think it’s theirs, when really it was some junk from g-mod before they were born

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[golden loom]

but then I feel young when I look at my classic guild, just filled with a bunch of dads

[wispy epoch]

i like embarrassing mcdonalds workers in the drive thru when i notice they're like 18-20 by using as many brainrot lines as possible

[drowsy hatch]

all you gotta do is say you were born after wow came out

and they're done

[coral ibex]

they're embarrassed for you big dawg

[real granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDFBTdToRmw

[wispy epoch]

this dude has me target focused guys, L rizz

[west crown]

Delete it

[wispy epoch]

🙂

[west crown]

As it should be

[oak tangle]

Can I be in your country, it’s not blocked for me

[wispy epoch]

no, we're full

[real granite]

there is an even older skibidi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

[real granite]

xD

[drowsy hatch]

winner

[west crown]

I’m too zoomer for that

[prisma sundial]

that song is so good

[slate crown]

This is what I remember that from

https://youtu.be/MEpv7YxnLCQ?si=fDCd6nEaW3nG_hnb

[real granite]

• "nice day for a memorial"
• "i guess you could say that"
  XDDDD good ol times

[limber coral]

is assa getting hit pretty hard on tuesday?

nerf wise?

[prisma sundial]

like 1%

[patent snow]

Which Plater profile do people prefer?

[limber coral]

I checked pins just heard people saying theres much more to the nerf then intended, my apologies

[coral ibex]

my modded atrocityui profile with whispyr's blacklist and recolor mod

[hot fulcrum]

Whispyr's profile

[patent snow]

Thank you, I'll try that.

[real granite]

i used junduie's as a base and tweak it from there

[spiral hedge]

Hi Assa question, so rupture has semi smart targeting right, where if you rupture a target that has rupture, it hits 2 others always, and prioritizes those without rupture ya? but always max 2, so you want to target swap yes?

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[spiral hedge]

Thank you my friend

[fallen arch]

Bro playing with Subterfuge is such a blast

I really like it

[rotund oak]

what about performance

in terms of actual dmg

[quartz yoke]

So question on echoing reprimand and how it works now

[plush skiff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

u press shiv and forget,its passive

[quartz yoke]

According to wow analyzer it said I used 0% of the proc on my silken court kill

[drowsy hatch]

I'm not even sure if wow analyzer is updated for supercharger

but there's nothing to play around anymore

so I would disregard anything it says about it

[hollow talon]

lvling my fotm druid from 70 this takes forever am i doing something wrong

got halloween and anniversary buff

[rotund oak]

its the yellow colour

affects everything around u

distorts even the xp

[hollow talon]

[quartz yoke]

Alright was just trying to figure out why I didn't parse very well

[rotund oak]

should take a look though on tooltip

just in case u do something wrong

😉

(btw cinnamon rolls )

[quartz yoke]

Yea my monks named that

[rotund oak]

i mean the sweet but that works too 😂

[quartz yoke]

Na I know

Looks like I just wasted some combo points on refreshing rupture instead of envenoms

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah slamming envenoms is big on court

Since a lot of your damage is coming off cleaving both bosses

and the new ST build shines with double envenom up

[quartz yoke]

Well I had 65% uptime of envenom looks like I misread the analyzer and it was bad usage of spender

Hmm might just be bad

Lol

[drowsy hatch]

My concern with relying on that is if it also isnt updated for ttk

then it would think most of your envenoms are bad since its tracking 1 buff

[quartz yoke]

I'm not entirely sure still new to rogue

I can send the link if you wanted to have a look

[drowsy hatch]

eh I'm not much of a log analyzer. Some people in here are, try to post it during busier hours and I'm sure someone will look

[quartz yoke]

Fair enough

Idk I've been blue parsing and occasional purple

[drowsy hatch]

Seems reasonable if you're new to rogue

[quartz yoke]

Buddy said kill times might be a bit of the issue since it took us like 8 minutes to kill boss

Yea 3rd week of playing it I think

[rotund oak]

[drowsy hatch]

my fotm class ❤️

try not to worry that much then

parsing is gonna heavily favor very fast kill times and people who have been farming bis since the tier started

[cerulean fjord]

for M+ specifically, has anyone tried/got data on swapping 2/2 Lethal Dose to > 1/2 Lethal Dose + Twist the Knife?

When overlapping envenoms its seems like it'd be a decent amount of extra poison application/envenom damage for caustic cleave

[thorn crater]

i dont see how that would be better over SD

[cerulean fjord]

you arent dropping SD (sudden demise?)

[thorn crater]

yes

[fallen arch]

This is horrendous for a good parse

Also ilvl matters a lot

[thorn crater]

i would

is what im saying

[fallen arch]

I swapped out sd for ttk

Never looking back

[cerulean fjord]

10% bleed damage and sudden demise itself being 2-3% overall damage seems better than dropping 1 point? or maybe im dumb, not sure how to quantify yet

[quartz yoke]

625 sin rogue and parsed 59%

[fallen arch]

Then you are maybe making mistakes too? Lots or downtime due to mechanics?

U could always share logs and someone can have a look

[quartz yoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/THw8bmzYgPQArtjR#fight=18&type=damage-done

Was 8:39 kill

[balmy condor]

6 casts of CT in 8:40

is criminal

you also just lost your mark a ton

[quartz yoke]

Yea I mean I'm not saying I'm the best

Trying to figure it out

[drowsy hatch]

well there's the problem haha

[floral ore]

anyone got the caustic spattter makes plater go green script ?

[quasi ingot]

CT for 2+ mobs correct?

[balmy condor]

yah needs way more envenom/caustic/ct damage

[drowsy hatch]

it can be a bit of a tank diffy

if they arent pulling the bosses together quickly

[quartz yoke]

Alright yea honestly was our first time seeing this boss tonight as we raid once a week

[balmy condor]

also possible I guess

[quartz yoke]

Just want to always do better

[drowsy hatch]

but definitely need more envenoms

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

oh yeah these just aren't stacked

what is happening

[drowsy hatch]

yeah if they arent stacked

its not your fault

[fallen arch]

Then don’t sweat a blue parse

[drowsy hatch]

we're good on this fight because splatter and CT wrecks them

[balmy condor]

raid is split more than moses split the red sea

[drowsy hatch]

if you cant abuse that youll suffer

[fallen arch]

It’s natural to get flustered on rotation on a new boss with new mechanics

[quartz yoke]

That got me good

[balmy condor]

I mean

[prisma sundial]

dropping mark comes from switching to the other boss without getting darkest night correct?

[balmy condor]

the bosses are deadass like 50 yards apart

that's probably also why it's a nearly 9 min kill

[drowsy hatch]

less about switching but if the boss goes away with the mark on it

[fallen arch]

Spatter stonks down

[drowsy hatch]

then youll lose it

[balmy condor]

if you ever wanna parse you gotta be stacking those

[drowsy hatch]

I always make sure the mark is on the one that will stay during transitions

[quartz yoke]

Alright will keep this in mind for the future for sure

[drowsy hatch]

ideally you only switch with DN but shit happens

[prisma sundial]

i didnt take that into consideration the first couple raids i did

[balmy condor]

gl king

stack and spatter

in spatter we trust

[quartz yoke]

Appreciate it for sure definitely gonna tell em to try and keep bosses closer together

[drowsy hatch]

everyone benefits from that

[quartz yoke]

Now that I think about it rl was asking for them to stack

[drowsy hatch]

so its good

[quartz yoke]

But tanks just planted

[rotund oak]

AI tanks

going their own way

[drowsy hatch]

your fdk will be thrilled lol

[quartz yoke]

Tbf half of us are doing any kind of damage

[drowsy hatch]

Believe me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tbCzLgxq1X6f8jmA#fight=40&type=damage-done

I know

[quartz yoke]

Oh you got far better dps then we do lol

[drowsy hatch]

its been getting better

I still sympathize though

[quartz yoke]

Yea a few of our dps have been getting better

And then we had a few new guys trickle in the last 2 weeks

Definitely surprised we killed brood and court tonight

Though had a enhance carry tf outta us on brood

[drowsy hatch]

we had a way harder time with brood than court

[pulsar elk]

How come CT for Whispyrs WA doesnt light up? Thought it had a pandemic window

[quartz yoke]

Yea only reason we killed brood was had a enhance do 2. Something mil overall

[rotund oak]

could ask him

[quiet oar]

I mean court literally has 2 mechanics

Dispells and use Web to stop boss

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[quiet oar]

I think thats why its so easy in heroic

[pulsar elk]

very true, ill wait for a response

[balmy condor]

idk just not bothered about it tbh

it has a pandemic

I could add it I guess

[quasi ingot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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[supple ether]

Do i always use tea with shiv ? even not during opener?

[pulsar elk]

That would be awesome, A lot of times I forget to reapply it, its around 4 secs for pandemic?

[balmy condor]

uh

what's 30% of 14

is that 4?

[grim jay]

4.2

[balmy condor]

aight

so that then

[quiet oar]

I think of you more like a 5 out of 5

Not 4.2

[delicate imp]

Man since im getting back into sin rogue i was totally lost on why my charges were being consumed and i didnt notice right away until i was reading it after a key.....

[quiet oar]

[delicate imp]

such a weird change to make it eat a charge under 30 energy

[grim jay]

I think in your case 4.2 fits

4.2 out of 4

[drowsy hatch]

it's a button bloat change

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

It actually makes perfect sense

[delicate imp]

explain

[drowsy hatch]

fortunately they also made it so st nor m+ build has energy problems so its nbd

[supple ether]

Did i mess something up if i fall below 30 energy and my team auto used?

or is that normal

[drowsy hatch]

its not a big deal

[grim jay]

It reduces buttons to press for casuals while it only adds a minor thing for minmaxers, which needs like 2 braincells to track. The difference between auto consumption and minmax is small, like 0.2

[drowsy hatch]

we dont really care about auto tea going off

[subtle tundra]

i have fucking proced it from feint

cause m+ be like

feint on cd

[grim jay]

Git gud

[quiet oar]

[subtle tundra]

thanks my st is bad already

[grim jay]

Bozo

[subtle tundra]

i waste tea charges

and waste energy constantly

on feint

thanks

if only it was fent instead

[ionic fox]

this ^^^^^^^

[subtle tundra]

maybe id have fun

[grim jay]

But it can only happen on ST and its not a waste then

[delicate imp]

cheers for the answer. just means im gonna be better with my energy charges then (Thats just me)

[austere ridge]

First boss SV is the worst for this shit

[quiet oar]

Me when i get out of Kyveza Intermission

Where Tea ?

[subtle tundra]

every boss in stone vault

maybe not skarmorak

[quiet oar]

Crimson Vial and Feint tanking my energy

[austere ridge]

Nahh first is the worst by far for energy starving

[grim jay]

Just dont press anything else

[drowsy hatch]

90 healing parse from vial on cd

[static sinew]

sipping specced, as am I

[subtle tundra]

i mean i have to press feint on cd for most m+ bosses

[ionic fox]

^

[subtle tundra]

arakara was ok on that department

dawnbreaker not

[grim jay]

But its also not a real loss on m+ bosses

[quiet oar]

Crimson Vial Popping off on Kyveza

[grim jay]

If it autoproccs

[quiet oar]

4 uses heal as much as 1 Healthpot

[subtle tundra]

i shifted the complain away from tea to feint to m+

[real granite]

the absurd amount of energy that goes into feint is disgusting

[austere ridge]

What lvl key you doing to need to use it off cd?

[subtle tundra]

14-15

[real granite]

while other classes uses defensive and GAIN resources

[grim jay]

Oh I thought you are still incorporating it, because you said tea proccs from feint

[subtle tundra]

SURE i can get away not feinting every mechanic, then heal falls behind and im just dead

gg

[austere ridge]

Yeah but surely you can weave in other things also?

[ionic fox]

feint is OP

[real granite]

i seriously would make feint 10 energy

[ionic fox]

has to be pressed

for high M+

[subtle tundra]

i cant predict the pug defensive usage tbh

[austere ridge]

Bandage does 3.3 Mill heal you ever using that instead if your low on health?

[grim jay]

The issue is that some classes are as tanky as rogue with feint without using anything

[knotty schooner]

Hello everyone
playing 3rd day on rog
and 1st time playing melee class
if u have free time i would love to get some comments advices, what should i improve and what i am doing wrong
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17lX9rmxcB8WMMeZhYNmgiGDY4DuooYR5/view?usp=drive_link
its my gameplay on stounvoult

[subtle tundra]

BANDAGE?!?!??

[ionic fox]

feint is to not get 1 shot not to heal lmfao

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck is a bandage

[royal lantern]

2017 calls you

[austere ridge]

Bandage is strong right now

[royal lantern]

lmao

[grim jay]

Wait you dont bandage?

[subtle tundra]

i bondage idk

[grim jay]

Based same

[royal lantern]

"feint is op" in 2024

[grim jay]

I never used a bandage in my life

[grim jay]

It would be if rogue wasnt already behind on HP and passives

[subtle tundra]

it is op cause we cant survive without it, we are just very squishy

if we were tankier overall it wouldnt be

[quiet oar]

But hey

we have 5% physical DR

[grim jay]

Well if we were tankier overall AND had feint, it would be op

[subtle tundra]

back in shadowlands i would survive with cheat death

now i cant dream of that

[grim jay]

Imagine dk having feint aswell

[subtle tundra]

they wouldnt press it

losing dps

LOL

[quiet oar]

I get dot

im scared of death

[grim jay]

They would still sometimes press it and be unkillable

Or even more so

Like you could seriously just eat every mechanic basically

[thin plinth]

has anyone tried this build out ? 😄

[grim jay]

No scent giga sucks

[subtle tundra]

its st

bud

[quiet oar]

DK in my raid soaked 7 Vile Discharges on Ovinax

[grim jay]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

you dummy

[grim jay]

Bro its early

[quiet oar]

But he wouldve survied 6 of them

[grim jay]

I didnt have a coffee

[royal lantern]

"it would be if everything around it would be different" doesnt mean that its too strong rn

like, reminder again that you need to skill elusivness and use feint too have the same DR as a DK that is using NOTHING at all

[golden loom]

isnt that just normal ST build?

[grim jay]

People never ask for ST builds

[subtle tundra]

seems like the normal build

[grim jay]

Ye thats what I said

It isnt as strong as people think rn

[grim jay]

Why only 7 tho?

[quiet oar]

At once

[subtle tundra]

it single handedly makes rogue playable in m+ so it is op in that regard

high m+

[grim jay]

But he died

[subtle tundra]

man back in shadowlands id use cloak every so often, feint if it worked maybe and id be bing chilling

didnt even need necrolord defensive

[quiet oar]

Ye but the 7th killed him, i die looking at one discharge

[royal lantern]

its funny how they made such a big deal out of WE MANNA MAKE HEALING LESS BURSTY

and everytime they say that, they turn the dmg up to 11 and everyone needs to have deffensives running 24/7

"blizz says X and does the complete Opposite" is always true lol

[quiet oar]

The Tanking experience

Meanwhile

Some random trash mobs hit you for 60%

[royal lantern]

reminds me of them saying during Abberus "we want to make no Mythic Fights where 1 player making a small mistake will instantly blow up the entire raid"

[quiet oar]

and if they are synced ?

[royal lantern]

->release Tindral

[quiet oar]

and fyrakk

and smolderon

[subtle tundra]

ok but if you played in a top guild it was a banger boss

it felt so good to see the whole good coordonated and eveyone knowing they make the difference

[quiet oar]

He was replaced by an 2/8 ret

Because his guildlead was cooked

[subtle tundra]

well that has nothing to do with the boss

[quiet oar]

They also did a 7 raidday week, when the HoF closed

[subtle tundra]

we played two rogues, i was assa and the other sub

it was completely fine

[grim jay]

Wish I knew that feeling

[quiet oar]

He plays good and makes a positive Difference
I play bad and make a negative Difference
We are not the same

[royal lantern]

its more about how they ALWAYS say something and then do the absolute opposite without fail

not about the fight itself

like, its ridicolous how set in stone that is

[kindred hinge]

Anything to not return to the heal dps meta

[subtle tundra]

REVERT ASSA

[royal lantern]

if blizz says they want to make healing patterns less bursty, they WILL make them more bursty

[subtle tundra]

PREDF

[grim jay]

Hopefully not

[royal lantern]

the guild is semi-falling appart at this point btw

[subtle tundra]

man 17s were timed

woah

[grim jay]

Really?

[quiet oar]

Shocking

[subtle tundra]

mists and arakara

man but their dps fucking crank

fdk and enha

[grim jay]

Nobody believing me

That enha is insane

[subtle tundra]

every knowledgeable person knows

its just most enhas being bad

[grim jay]

Yeah but their knowledge is limited to dorki

[frigid wing]

these are the 4 poisons for m+?

[grim jay]

To a point where I am sick of hearing that name

[quiet oar]

Enhancer is broken

I did so much dmg

with my 614 enhancer this week

[subtle tundra]

looked at the 17 arakara dps overall, did 900k more overall than the fdk

LOL

[quiet oar]

I mean

[wintry mauve]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[quiet oar]

They get nerfed