#assassination

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coral ibex
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assa is ol reliable imo

prisma sundial
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when are they removing the bugged outlaw logs btw

balmy condor
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soon-ish

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gotta come up with an algorithm that can identify bugged logs vs normal logs

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and then it takes a lot of time to crawl back through all the logs

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huge ass database

spice surge
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Are they doing that or are they just saying fuckit and doing another split

ashen scroll
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any log that pressed dispatch less than idk, 20 times is 100% bugged

balmy condor
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they're removing bugged logs

balmy condor
ashen scroll
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yw :3

grand trail
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nobody trust sims or how come nobody play this

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glad osprey
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why is asssassination rogue single target so bad rn sob

balmy condor
static glacier
balmy condor
static glacier
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I suspect forced induction loses to leth in multitarget encounters

balmy condor
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yeh probably

grand trail
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it still win in 2t

balmy condor
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I mean they're very close

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balanced talents and all that

static glacier
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what fight is this for sap

balmy condor
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shouldn't matter

grand trail
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silken

static glacier
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well

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about that

balmy condor
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that's 2 target

static glacier
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nevermind that

glad osprey
# balmy condor it's not

idk it just feels a lot worse than what it was, the assassination rogue in my guild even switched to subtlety and is popping

static glacier
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the people who have that on farm

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probably killed it on wed

grand trail
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i thoguh that you react to

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balmy condor
glad osprey
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yeah

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#1 dps in the raid LOL

coral ibex
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thats a skill issue for sure

glad osprey
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wtf

balmy condor
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brother it's BETTER than what it was

glad osprey
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and like yesterday he was assassination

static glacier
glad osprey
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and was not popping at all

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but a few weeks ago

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he was #1 dps as assassination

balmy condor
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yeah

glad osprey
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so i am very confused

static glacier
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well gear happens

balmy condor
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it's gotten stronger since then

slate crown
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new sub is fun peeposcared

coral ibex
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assa is like

grand trail
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we r getting stronger on wed again

static glacier
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and changes

grand trail
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cos they nerf others

coral ibex
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#1 or #2 for damage to bosses across all difficulties

balmy condor
coral ibex
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assa cranks ST

glad osprey
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i dont have logs since we're wiping on queen but like when we get the kill ill link it

static glacier
glad osprey
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i just feel like hes doing way better as subtlety

balmy condor
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I mean he might be

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but that's not the specs fault

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that's his fault

static glacier
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I would say sub is better at queen

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im guessing you're talking about queen hc tho

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idk which spec is better at hc

coral ibex
grand trail
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i wanted to play sub on silken but i dont see much of reason to do so now

balmy condor
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yeh I don't think the convo here is mythic queen

coral ibex
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lmao heroic???

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bruh

balmy condor
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I mean I would assume if you're on mythic queen

static glacier
balmy condor
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you don't need to switch specs mid prog due to a skill issue

glad osprey
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nah heroic, im not that crazy

balmy condor
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yeh

glad osprey
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i was just wondering if i got nerfed or sm

balmy condor
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no

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it got buffed

coral ibex
glad osprey
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since i dont know why he switched for example

balmy condor
coral ibex
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assa 2nd only to BM

static glacier
coral ibex
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for boss dam on heroic ansurek

glad osprey
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damn

arctic socket
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Heroic queen is a meme now

static glacier
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ngl

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Im thankful I don't have to

balmy condor
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the buffed spec to reroll pipeline

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unfortunate

arctic socket
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Compared to what it was it’s a meme

grand trail
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i also noticed that like 40 of 50 top asssa logs on silken court are from some china players w/o guild, it look kinda sus

arctic socket
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I only run queen for the valorstones n crests

ebon river
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theres no snapshotting in retail for dots right?

static glacier
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what is the top 5% of sin

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and then compare it to sub

coral ibex
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i dont know what you're trying to say but it probably doesn't matter

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95th percentile boss damage is a fine metric to measure with

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it excludes weird outlier shit at the top

static glacier
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for one

arctic socket
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I just want to figure out a easy way to farm flight stones

static glacier
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ansurek add damage in p3 actually matters

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two

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what are you trying to prove? that sin is better?

coral ibex
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eh not really, you only need 1 or 2 people to swap to adds on heroic

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and assa won't be one of them

static glacier
craggy ruin
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oh man subterfuge feels so good

static glacier
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not the more casual players still progging it

glad osprey
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i think bm hunter damage is that high because they can easily keep on top of the mechanics while doing consistent damage

static glacier
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anyways when I said I think sub is better im talking mythic

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godknows which spec is best for hc

craggy ruin
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i did 1.8m at mist 11

glad osprey
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yeah i dont mind a small % difference i just was wondering, i havent played in a few weeks

static glacier
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i don't even think the spec played in hc matters

glad osprey
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its also probably because im only 611, he's 623 lmao

wild spruce
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@balmy condor so what i got from that is dont let evenom fall off and just spam it doest really hurt

glad osprey
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cant even compare

static glacier
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its just a player quality issue

balmy condor
wild spruce
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coo

grand trail
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like this is logs on silken court, did china rogues figure out some bug ?:P

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wild spruce
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the chinese always cooking something

static glacier
grand trail
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becasue look this is kyveza and i dont really see them here

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ashen scroll
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1.7M isnt crazy for mythic silken, they're just good

prisma sundial
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i mean theres some NA players there too

ashen scroll
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cn sin logs for that fight range from 1.9 to like 1.6. its just a good spec for the fight, and theres some really good players

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i dont think they're bugging lol

coral ibex
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they are lusting on the final damage amp

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is what it appears to be

spice surge
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Everyone does

grand trail
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im just trying to say that china players kinda overtake all top logs on silken meanwhile i cant really see them on kyveza

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which make me sus that they cooked smg

ashen scroll
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guilds swap to the 4:30 dmg amp if they think they have too much dmg and wont get full use from lust at the double dmg amp

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but its not common rn

coral ibex
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if you look at the actual logs the rest of the players are very normal parses

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its just the rogues that are getting 100's

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and of course the logs are all chinese so reading them is cooked

spice surge
coral ibex
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damn never noticed that

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thanks

stark scroll
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sin dracythr or orc for horde

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?

grand trail
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orc

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they all lusting at end still only two out 50 did not

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only diff in logs is if they use cds on pull or at 40sec amp and thats like 50/50

austere fog
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does anyone have any recommendations on tracking your 3 stacks of deathstalkers mark from hero talents i feel like there has to be some weak aura or something that shows it better so i dont ahve to look at it in my debuffs on the target to see where im at for that guaranteed crit

grand trail
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!Wa

prisma monolithBOT
austere fog
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yeah i use all of those

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i use platers i forget what profile i grabbed for platers

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and that def helps a bit more

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I need to teach myself how to make my own weak auras

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i wish i had a box that just showed my bleed timers, deathstalkers mark timer and 1 more thing is there a way to turn off the auto thisle tea mechanic they added or do we just have to focus on Not energy spamming our spells

static jolt
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why does every m+ build on wowhead use cheat death instead of elusiveness?

barren yarrow
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I make a very simple WA that tracks envenom buff

austere fog
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i mean be more conservative with energy pooling and not falling before 30 energy is the only way not to lose thislte tea stacks

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sometimes i find myself getting a good rotation going and good crits and spamming those envenoms out and ill use it up then with my KB DS window comes up i dont have a thistle tea on round 2

barren yarrow
spice surge
austere fog
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yeah ill have tro try a diff profile then i use Luxthor WA for my UI

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and one of the more common platers profile right now

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the one i just switched to shows it alot better im just not good at editing and fucking around with the settings i guess ill just have to watch some tutorials

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and learn how to tweak the profiles myself

barren yarrow
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What do you need?

austere fog
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am i the only one here who hates the new thistle tea changes??

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we should be able to toggle the AuTo thistle tea mechanic they added.

spice surge
static jolt
barren yarrow
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I mean. It sucks. But that’s what wow is all about. That skill gap lol. Better players have to manage energy.

austere fog
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yeah i guess when im inbetween the damage windows ill just have to make sure to manage my energy better

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ill have to find a rythym with my rotation where it feels second hand

barren yarrow
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Practice makes perfect

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I’m always at the dummies

prisma sundial
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just dont let envenom drop

austere fog
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i mean ive been playing my rogue since classic

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my rogue has over 1 year plapytime i forget how much over lolol

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but idk the new thistle tea mechanic has been fucking me

barren yarrow
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Honestly it’s like unnoticeable to me.

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idk

austere fog
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you always have thistle teas for your KB DS window?

prisma sundial
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it doesnt really hurt your dps

austere fog
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if thats the case then im pprobably energy starving my self to fast and i just need to work on that

barren yarrow
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I mean ideally yes but I mean. If you’re running low you switch to your pooling mindset.

austere fog
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im running 2 points lethality and 1 point into the new shiv mechanic idk what you all are running

barren yarrow
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so anything over 150 energy your spending on envenom

austere fog
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i cant decide getting an extra charged CP with shiv

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or running 2 points lethality

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i feel like both are the same

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i like lethality because i still need queen ring and trinket my crit is a lil low

prisma sundial
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you mean supercharger?

austere fog
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yeah supercharger

prisma sundial
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p sure in supercharger you have 2 points in lethality

austere fog
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im 627 item level

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if i can get some more natural crit chance on my guy ill switch 2 2points in supercharger

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i like that extra 1 percent and damage bonus

scarlet wave
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
austere fog
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yeah i dont have that problem

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my keybind for thistle tea is a Shift + Num Lock number which is macroed to one of my moouse buttons on my razer naga pro

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its like impossible for me to spam it

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ive never used more then 1 charge by accident when popping tea

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ill just need to run some mythics and practice my energy pooling better

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im Currently trying to get more versatility gear TBH for SUbtelty because Sub is great for mythic raiding progression

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i need more Burst AOE add damage on some of those fights

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i love assass but aoe damage needs time to rampp up

barren yarrow
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Yeah it’s not immediate but the dps you do is nuts.

austere fog
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yeah i love it but yeah for mythic raiading

barren yarrow
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I’m 620 and I’m always shocked.

austere fog
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id like some more AOE burst instead of RAMP

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i mean at the end of mythic keys i hit my first 2 billion damage over all

grand trail
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than play sub

austere fog
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the other day

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did like 1.89 million damage over all

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2.01 billion damage in total

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i think assass is great it hasnt felt this good in yearssss

barren yarrow
austere fog
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i played outlaw sub all of dragonflight

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and sub and outlaw all of shadowlands BFA

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im happy to bne playing mutilate again

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last time i hard min maxxed assassaination was BC and wrath

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into cata a little bit

barren yarrow
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I never played OL. Didn’t like it. I play sub very seldomly. Assa is just different.

austere fog
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i dont PVP anymore used to for years im trying to get back into PVP as well

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so thats why ive been working on sub

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yeah OL was really strong for 1 season in dragonflight i mean. it was strong all of DF

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but when they made the slight changes SUB was just dominating keys

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and raids

idle inlet
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can someone put the shiv tea macro in chat?

austere fog
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i just did 1.59 million on silken court

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im happy with my damage

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im just always trying to take that top spot in damage meters

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#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

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there it is super taco

red wolf
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
austere fog
pine cave
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what good talents are there now for mityk + ?

austere fog
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i mean crimson tempest i run

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im not in game so i forget the name of the talents off the top of my head

barren yarrow
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Ct, caustic. Diriks.

austere fog
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1 more question just curiousty i feel both are the same but Sanguine blades or Vicious Venoms

prisma sundial
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old hybrid is good too

austere fog
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what do most people prefer for ST

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ive been going back and forth between vicious venoms and Sanguine

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where mutilate does 70 percent of damage as nature damage

barren yarrow
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Vicious is what I run.

austere fog
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yeah i feel like to keepp above 150 energy

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for Sanguine to work is alot to ask for

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most of the fight im below 150 energy i feel

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or bouncing around there

barren yarrow
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do you pool

austere fog
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when i need to i mean

pine cave
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I don't know what's going on because I'm new to WoW

barren yarrow
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best piece of advice I got was it’s ok to not be doing alot.

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now I always have energy.

austere fog
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yeah i think im energy starve myself more then i pool

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thats for sure

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i def should be pooling more

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if im being honest

barren yarrow
austere fog
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if im energy starved im either not pooling or i forgot to reapply my poisons

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its one or the other

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lolololol

pine cave
austere fog
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ive been running sanguine im thinking of going back VIscious venoms.

cobalt sphinx
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viscous hahaha

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66 results when you search viscous in this discord

prisma sundial
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if your going st go twist the knife

austere fog
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i believe i do run that

prisma sundial
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dont play around sanguine in ST

austere fog
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thanks guys

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just been struggling a bit on my rogue i havent had 1 good vault since xpack started

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had 3 mythic capes in my vault last week

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still cant get ansurek ring

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or trinket

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or Skardyns grace.

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none of it will drop for me

sand briar
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when you guys are using dawnthread for sims what % uptime do you use?

prisma sundial
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i would drop it for TTK

frank condor
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twist the knife and dashing scoundrel are played in ST now, which are large differences from last patch

prisma sundial
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yeah vicious venoms is out

austere fog
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i just got off to finnaly try som,e WUkong been dying to play it

turbid sandal
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Whispyr with his pins making it so I can't spam with stupid questions. Boo, now what am I to do with my Sunday

austere fog
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now im loggin back on to see what im running lol

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WOW is a fulltime job i swear

prisma sundial
austere fog
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im way past using the WoW head basic build guide

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im just curious to what other people are doing

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i have those pages memorized

prisma sundial
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well for ST im p sure its not much different

austere fog
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and ive simmed just about every trinket and gear in the game

prisma sundial
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there is variation in M+ tho

frank condor
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not sure you do since you didn't know what people are running currently lol

austere fog
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i need to get a mythic skardyns grace

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and my queen items

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and ill be really pumping

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i have a mythic sacbroo 639 and a treachous transmitter 626 right now

summer mist
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can i play without kingsbane

novel star
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pretty huge button

austere fog
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what point do you guyts lose to put a point into twist the knife??

frigid wing
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how should i be using poisoned knife in m+?

austere fog
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for vicious venoms build

frank condor
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you dont play vicious venoms

novel star
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there is no vicious venoms build anymore

summer mist
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yea twist the knife sounds better

frank condor
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theres 2 talent points right there

novel star
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new builds are on wowhead

austere fog
novel star
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and other guides

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
novel star
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take poisoned knife off ur bars

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its a bad way to spend energy always

frigid wing
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got it thanks

novel star
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does piss damage builds piss cp

balmy condor
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did someone say piss

barren yarrow
# pine cave yes

Nice. What have you tried todo thus far in game? Work on the rotation or something like that?

prisma sundial
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i had this too, i think its dungeon slice being weird

balmy condor
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it doesn't really care about the order

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they're functionally equal

lime wolf
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Is their anything useful out of BRD raid calling to us?

pine cave
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I can rotate and i look on murlo.io and all person play different talents

balmy condor
pine cave
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and I don't know what to play now

balmy condor
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whatever you want

novel star
austere fog
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does anyone here use fatbound?? for any of the builds i find deathstlalker to be superior in every way

balmy condor
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yep

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I play fatebound on ky'veza

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better in single target

onyx nymph
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
honest panther
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!shiv

slate crown
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
gray flower
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im supposed to use Master Assassin with max Kingsbane stacks right?

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is that generally what to do?

odd tundra
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
balmy condor
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doesn't matter what the stacks are

grave nova
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
austere fog
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damn my dps took a big hit not running sanguine or vicious venoms anymore...

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i odnt understand these nw builds..,..

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i like the old ones better...

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wowhead builds are garbage on my sim and on dummies...

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i must be missing something

balmy condor
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they play the same

austere fog
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my damage meters says differently

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im not talkijg abnout the rotation

balmy condor
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numbers are up across the board

austere fog
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i went from easily over 1million dps.

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to 800k.

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in the raid single target build.

high plume
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anyone know if there is a updated rotation guide for those specing into subterfuge?

balmy condor
balmy condor
austere fog
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its all good just gonna play what does the most damage thats all

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just gonna plpay my own build

limber coral
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what builds do assa's run on ovinax?

austere fog
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everyone was just telling me to plapy the new wowhead builds

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there all on there

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so i just impored them all

balmy condor
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75 percentile assa on mythic sikran is 1.23mil, was barely over 1.1mil before the patch

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so it ain't just me

austere fog
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i mean...

balmy condor
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damage overall has gone up

austere fog
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i was doing over that

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in the Sanguine build

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so idk.

balmy condor
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basically every parse in the top 100 on mythic sikran doesn't run sang

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100% twist the knife

subtle cipher
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Ttk lov

austere fog
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i dont like twistht he knife.

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i dont need that extra 2 seconds to keep evenom buff up.,

subtle cipher
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Wut

austere fog
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i think its pointless

ashen totem
cunning needle
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help my damage went up but my parse went down. is the game bugged?

austere fog
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i mean im just looking at my sim and my dummie damage

random umbra
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I think you're misreading ttk

subtle cipher
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Def

ashen totem
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@balmy condor i read this discord for 5 minutes and i just wanna hug you

austere fog
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i understand the overlap.

subtle cipher
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So whats the issue

hot jay
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are people yoinking out of lethality now for more points in the supercharger lane on pure ST w/ no adds?

austere fog
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i have no issue??

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just saying i do more damage without it??

subtle cipher
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You dont

median root
subtle cipher
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Lmao

austere fog
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uh...

hot jay
austere fog
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well i know how to count

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and the numbers say different

hot jay
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the most insane bait

balmy condor
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they're close

subtle cipher
hot jay
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I'm pretty low gear on my rogue still so I imagine the crit is nice for now

austere fog
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uhhu,.

hot jay
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I'll sim it when I'm more geared

balmy condor
austere fog
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well im just hear to see what people are doing and learn... not to argue and doubt people.

balmy condor
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I'm very curious

prisma sundial
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dont run vicious

austere fog
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this is kind of an educational discord for rogue players

prisma sundial
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or SB in ST

austere fog
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not to be a dick.

prisma sundial
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run ttk

austere fog
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to people

hot jay
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you missed some fundamental text in the twist the knife talent, maybe you didn't peep the changes this week

balmy condor
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yah I mean you're saying you do less damage with a build that is considered better by every metric

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and the rotation has changed very little

austere fog
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okay sorry for inquiring

balmy condor
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so the first thing would be logs/sims

austere fog
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yep. ive done that

balmy condor
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okay

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lets see them

austere fog
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logs will take a bit longer

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havent been in raid yet with it

cunning needle
austere fog
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but sims are def higher

balmy condor
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that's fine

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okay

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lets see the sims

sudden trench
austere fog
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im not arguing all i said was i was doing more damage in my old build....

hot jay
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you didn't inquire though you just said twist isn't good for your character and said you know how to count, thats why you got the hostile responses lol

austere fog
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is that wrong to say??

prisma sundial
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@austere fog use these talents and sim it CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMMmhHYAAAAAAY2glZAAAAAAottZmhZmxYmZWmlZmZMwYmZmxMb2GzAsYWGYALBLDTghFA

cunning needle
balmy condor
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but I need more info

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that's why I'm asking for more info

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sims/logs

sudden trench
urban lily
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@balmy condor im losing too much just spamming envenom on ttk instead of tracking 2 buffs?

cunning needle
balmy condor
austere fog
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umm.. im literally testing it out..

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and getting lower numbers.

urban lily
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Ty ty

austere fog
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what do you mean back it up with>>

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im not just aying this?

balmy condor
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sims/logs

urban lily
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Sims

balmy condor
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link sims

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or logs

austere fog
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sorry whypsyr

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i hear you

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working on that

balmy condor
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link anything please

cunning needle
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okay well i say that i'm doing even more damage

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in fact im doing doubl damage

urban lily
#

Ttk is huge

austere fog
#

was just typing back to these guys.

cunning needle
#

taking double vanish

balmy condor
#

ignore these guys

austere fog
#

oooo

balmy condor
#

fuck em

austere fog
#

you use double vanish

sudden trench
cunning needle
#

no dont

austere fog
#

im not running doubler vanish

#

oh okay

cunning needle
#

im being stupid

urban lily
#

Lmao

#

Baited

austere fog
#

was gonna say maybe thats the problem lolol

cunning needle
#

listen to whispyr

austere fog
#

you had me for a second lololol

cunning needle
#

ignore everyone except him

austere fog
#

i was like oh damn double vanish is back

#

kk one sec

cunning needle
#

(i am running it in m+)

austere fog
#

yeah same

cunning needle
#

but not for raid

austere fog
#

mythic plus is idff

urban lily
#

the issue with whispyr is when he talk about movement

austere fog
#

im talking more mythic raid

urban lily
#

Thats off

austere fog
#

ST

sudden trench
balmy condor
urban lily
#

And about movement?

balmy condor
#

your mom gives me enough movement

#

don't need more

#

thanks

sand briar
#

what do you guys set dawnthread uptime to in the sim for dungeon slice?

urban lily
#

You need the movement of deez nuts

balmy condor
frank condor
#

Brother where this man sims at already he’s been yapping about better builds and this and that for 30 mins

sand briar
cunning needle
prisma sundial
#

the sims were the friends we made along the way

cunning needle
#

oh what not where

#

i cant read

balmy condor
sudden trench
#

@cunning needle go heal on the hpal fim

urban lily
#

If belt + wrist craft is better for m+ why most top sin rogues run a crafted dagger ;=

balmy condor
#

cause ascension is fine

cunning needle
balmy condor
#

and they didn't have the dagger early in the season

#

and they're not gonna waste crests on crafting more shit

urban lily
#

Fair

austere fog
#

thats sanguine

#

one sec on TTK

balmy condor
#

okay

#

that's not what I meant

#

when I said link

#

I meant like

#

the actual link

austere fog
#

oh okay,.

cunning needle
austere fog
#

figured id just show the number straight to the point

#

okay let me redo it

#

theres a que

balmy condor
#

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

#

AAAAAAAA

#

just the link bro

cunning needle
#

deep breaths

balmy condor
#

you have the tab open

austere fog
#

ill send the link but both are the same

balmy condor
#

just copy paste the link

random umbra
#

This is a ploy

balmy condor
#

THATS FINE

cunning needle
balmy condor
#

JUST GIVE ME A LINK

sand briar
#

are there softcaps for stats as assa in tww? i havent played retail much since slands and i remember having to swap a lot of my gear since i was softcapped on mastery or something, and it gave me way more stats overall

real granite
#

XDDDDD

balmy condor
#

PLEASE GOD I BEG

cunning needle
#

hahahahhahahahhahaha

random umbra
#

He's here to wreak havok

austere fog
sudden trench
#

Hahaha

balmy condor
#

finally

hollow river
#

Bro who the fuck died

#

Tf kekdog

cunning needle
#

whispyrs last strand of sanity

#

that he found last night

urban lily
hollow river
#

Chat went from 100 to 0 real quick once the link finally dropped

cunning needle
balmy condor
#

aight time to resim this myself

austere fog
#

that is the TTK link i believe

#

one sec on the other

balmy condor
#

we wait 3 min

severe sparrow
#

i opened it and then realized i dont know how to critique this anyway

balmy condor
#

for my sim

#

and we'll know

prisma sundial
austere fog
#

does that sim look bad just out of curiousty

prisma sundial
#

whichever one is smaller is the worser one

austere fog
#

is 1.348 million

#

sound about right

balmy condor
cunning needle
balmy condor
ripe umbra
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

so the best sanguine builds

#

are -1.5%

hollow river
austere fog
#

what settings did you use for that??

manic coral
#

is ma big loss over sanguine blades in m+?

austere fog
#

you did something funky with the sim settings

balmy condor
#

I just simmed the talents through top gear

austere fog
#

your changing something lol

balmy condor
#

I didn't

subtle cipher
hollow river
balmy condor
#

I just ran a standard top gear with a single target build

#

and then ran a combinator

prisma sundial
balmy condor
#

and that's what it spit out

cunning needle
#

dont trust him. he's in charge of writing the code. he's rigged it

balmy condor
#

CAUGHT

austere fog
#

kk thanks for the input

#

appreciate it

balmy condor
#

np

austere fog
#

have a good night guys

hollow river
cunning needle
#

wait no shot youre leaving it as that

#

what about your logs

spice surge
#

Well whispyr you didnt sim weekly like the other guy did

balmy condor
#

he doesn't have any

subtle cipher
balmy condor
#

weekly spits out the same thing

austere fog
#

i mean i have logs as sanguine id have to go find them

#

i havent done a full raid as TKK yet

balmy condor
#

I can find them

#

np

austere fog
#

yeah i have logs for sure

silk sundial
#

I know there are a bunch of variables but how much dps should I be doing overall in a +11 @620ilvl?

austere fog
#

ive raided while being logged

spice surge
#

Oh weekly has the lethality hotfixes n stuff now? Neat

austere fog
#

there probably not the best to go off of tho

sand briar
austere fog
#

I raid lead in my guild

#

and its been really hurting my dps

#

trying to focus onc allouts

#

and my rotation

cunning needle
#

raid leading as rogue DESPAIR

#

gl brotherman

austere fog
#

unforunately no one else can do it

balmy condor
#

oh god

austere fog
#

im the best mechanical player in the game

balmy condor
#

you're overcapping

austere fog
#

and ive studied the fights

balmy condor
#

so many comob points

austere fog
#

yeah its from raid leading

cunning needle
#

get out whispyr

austere fog
#

i know

cunning needle
#

run

austere fog
#

i fuck up my rotation abd sometimes

balmy condor
#

no like every finisher

#

is 7cp

cunning needle
#

do not delve deeply

austere fog
#

im trying to get my guild leader

balmy condor
#

every single one

austere fog
#

to change that up

#

so i can focus on dps more

#

i either miss call outs

#

and do good damage

frank condor
#

I only see heroic logs, are there mythic ones?

hot jay
#

I know I'm just playing some super budget version of rogue right now (very low gear alt) but even just a little gameplay today compared to last patch seems like I have infinite energy during cds now on single target

austere fog
#

or im on point with raid leading

hardy dagger
#

Bro has Perma darkest night

austere fog
#

and my damage gets hurt

hardy dagger
cunning needle
#

semi hot take but i think sub is better to raid lead on than assi

prisma sundial
#

less to keep track of

cunning needle
#

its much more auto pilot

#

and yeah less totrack

austere fog
#

i was doing mythic blood last night and holy shit.. i kept forgetting to use second shiv in kingsbane window

#

and everything...

#

i just cant do both raid leading and dps

cunning needle
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
austere fog
#

guess i suck

cunning needle
#

whispyrs one does it

#

dw we all do

balmy condor
#

shivs don't help either

hardy dagger
#

Molten take bm is better to raid lead on

balmy condor
#

these aren't lining up with kingsbane ever

#

so that hurts

austere fog
#

so i shouldnt use max CP on finishers??

frank condor
#

I also am RL while maining rogue this tier and doing broodtwister mythic was hell. we killed it today tho yay

austere fog
#

yeah thats from raid leading

balmy condor
#

5+ unless you have darkest night

frank condor
#

i know this pain

cunning needle
#

enjoy kyveza while it lasts

austere fog
#

i miss my DM and KB window all the time

cunning needle
#

silken court fucking suuuuuucks

balmy condor
#

okay well

austere fog
#

is there a WA that shows me when darkest night is up

balmy condor
#

ttk specifically helps buff up your kingsbanes

#

so if you're doing kingsbanes wrong

#

then probably doesn't help to run talents that make kingsbanes stronger

austere fog
#

i mean not up

#

but like makes it more visible

frank condor
hardy dagger
#

Silken court P3 is full on 😴

austere fog
#

so what am i doing wrong??

#

my logs from like 2 weeks ago are prob better to look at

balmy condor
#

just from a quick check you're using shivs outside of burst and overcapping a bunch of combo points

austere fog
#

im less geared probably but i wasnt taking over raid leading

#

what you mean overcapping. i use max CP on finishers when i can

#

is that not good?

#

i try to get mAX cp on evenvoms

#

doesnt it do more damage when i have more CP?

spice surge
#

Yes that is bad

frank condor
#

you're missing some fundamentals Macfrazer

austere fog
#

wellll thats why im here...

prisma sundial
#

you should only be aiming for max cp for darkest night

balmy condor
#

from september here you're finishing on 4

image.png
cunning needle
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
#

If you are at 6 CP and use a mutilate that double crits youre wasting 3 combo points

balmy condor
#

which sucks too

#

needs to be 5 for the mark

hollow river
balmy condor
#

or 7 for darkest night

austere fog
#

so its better to just use the 6cp fnisher

#

then mutilate

#

and finisher

frank condor
austere fog
#

um no

#

ive bene playing my rogue forr 20 years

#

ive had highest parses in the world

#

in few expansions

#

i def will understand

urban lily
#

Every guy likes to finish on 4

austere fog
#

if someone tells me

balmy condor
#

you also boomed your 2min cds

image.png
austere fog
#

i understand the context and the mechanics

balmy condor
#

this is so spread out

austere fog
#

i came back to wow after quitting in dragonflight

balmy condor
#

wasted your whole deathmark

austere fog
#

just getting back into it

#

thats why iim here

#

to catch up.

cunning needle
#

read the wowhead guide first

#

then come back

urban lily
#

^

austere fog
#

i have.

#

several times

balmy condor
#

line up cooldowns

urban lily
#

Read again

balmy condor
#

finish on 5

cunning needle
#

read it again

austere fog
#

i have it up on my second monitor

#

every day

cunning needle
#

well clearly you didnt read properly

urban lily
#

Read 3 times a day

austere fog
#

ok is that what you guys do

#

just be fucking pricks

#

and make fun of people

#

triyng to get better

urban lily
#

Pricks?

#

What

balmy condor
#

they're usually not this fucking stupid

#

don't mind them

cunning needle
urban lily
#

Its basic of the basics

cunning needle
#

it says right here 5cp or more

austere fog
#

yeah okay

#

i use 5 cp

#

or more

#

like no shit

urban lily
#

Your logs disagree

balmy condor
#

well you also mutilated on 5

#

and you mutilated on 6

austere fog
#

like i said my most recent logs

#

are scuffed

#

from raid leading

#

i know i was fucking up my rotation

balmy condor
#

okay well a month ago you finished on 4

austere fog
#

every finisher?>

grim ember
#

!wa

austere fog
#

i used 4 cp

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

like 5-6 a fight

austere fog
#

thats not right

balmy condor
#

I saw a 2cp envenom in this log somewhere

austere fog
#

okay well if i do that its because im ltierally probablyt in a transition or boss ius moving

#

and i just try to get out one last bit of damage

#

before he does

balmy condor
#

yeah like multiple 3cp envenoms here

image.png
urban lily
#

So, mutilate if you are on 3cp

balmy condor
#

okay well don't do that

austere fog
#

i mean im top dps in the guild i end fights all the time over 1 million. just did a silken court with 1.4million dps

#

at the end

#

so i dont see that im doing terrible.

visual vault
#

Watch whispyr streams very educational and as a bonus you see his mental health deteriorate in real time

austere fog
#

that wasnt logged

#

i was just pugging

#

able to focus on my rotation

balmy condor
#

like just in this screenshot it's a finish on 4, 3, 3, 5, and then you mut on 6

image.png
austere fog
#

no distractions

balmy condor
#

and that's in your opener

austere fog
#

somethigns not right then

#

i literlally mutilate till full CP

#

always

#

and then enevom

balmy condor
#

yeah that's a problem

austere fog
#

or rupture if rupture is almost down

balmy condor
#

that's what you're doing now

austere fog
#

always us max CP

balmy condor
#

stop that

cunning needle
#

you are not understanding

#

finishing on max cp all the time is wrong

balmy condor
#

you have to finish on 5 or more

frank condor
#

you only go to 7 CP for darkest night my dude

balmy condor
#

you get to 5, you finish

prisma sundial
#

side note how do you see your combo point usage like whispyr is doing in logs ^

balmy condor
#

4? mutilate

#

table -> resources -> combo points

austere fog
#

so anything under 5 is mutilate

prisma sundial
#

thanks king

balmy condor
urban lily
balmy condor
#

if you're at 5 or more, you finish

austere fog
#

no

#

i have

limber coral
#

Are we safe to SS to queen after toxins are popped or no?

balmy condor
#

if you have darkest night, you build to 7, then envenom

austere fog
#

i alays try to do that

#

im just reitterating what he said back to me

frank condor
#

wowhead tell you deathstalkers mark pops at 5 cp though but you didn't know that

austere fog
#

like no ones talking to you

#

thanks

keen spruce
#

I need 23 more gilded to cap.

urban lily
keen spruce
#

productive first week Tiredgers

austere fog
#

im aware it does that yes

#

my orignal questions was asking about making that more visible

#

to see the number go down so i know when the guaranteed crit is coming

cunning needle
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
cunning needle
#

get whispyrs weak aura

frank condor
#

i make a nice big boomer WA for that to show the debuff myself

austere fog
#

im very well aware that at 5 it popps

#

i need to learn to make my own WA

#

thats for sure

#

im very noob when it comes to making my own WA

#

i always copy someone elses

urban lily
#

Why make ypie own

balmy condor
#

the other thing I've seen from a couple logs now is you have a tendency to ruin your 2 min cds

image.png
cunning needle
#

whats wrong with copying

urban lily
#

There are thousands of good wa

visual vault
#

Ive never made one myself

urban lily
#

?????

austere fog
#

same

#

never made one myself

visual vault
#

The people here do good work man

urban lily
#

You are focusing on the wrong things lol

cunning needle
#

i have

frank condor
#

yeah i just do it for fun, there's easy ones to steal 100%

cunning needle
#

then decided my weak auras suck

#

so i just copied

austere fog
#

id love to learn how one day

visual vault
#

The WAs here play the game for you

cunning needle
#

please learn you rotation first

balmy condor
#

the trinket here is just barely off the left and the deathmark is off the right

image.png
#

so like not only did you miss the trinket

#

but then the kingsbane came out late

#

that hurts

coral ibex
#

as a cd-based spec, alignment is important

austere fog
#

miss my trinket?

#

i mean i pop it on my oppener

#

shiv kingsbane

balmy condor
#

yeah

austere fog
#

then shiv again

balmy condor
#

your opener is fine

austere fog
#

halfway through

balmy condor
#

I'm talking your 2 mins

#

every 2 min you should be repeating the opener

#

and it's just like

#

not happening

austere fog
#

yeah i know ive been fucking that up in raids from raid leading the past month

cunning needle
#

wait

#

do you know how your trinket works

austere fog
#

i know i have my dps shows it clearly

#

low numbers

balmy condor
#

no, this isn't from raid leading the past month

cunning needle
#

its not just a press and ignore

austere fog
#

which one my treachours transmitter

balmy condor
#

I'm in early september my guy

austere fog
#

or my sacbrood

cunning needle
#

transmitter

austere fog
#

wut when io was 20 item levels lower

balmy condor
#

you've been messing this up for 6+ weeks

austere fog
#

playing 3 secpds trying to figure out what i wantred to play lol

balmy condor
#

okay so I can't look at the last month of your logs cause you've been raid leading and I can't look earlier than that because you didn't know what to play

austere fog
#

im here beacuse ive been working on asssa for 2 months my logs arent a great representation of my knowledge of the spec

#

ive been sitting out of raid playing the 21rst spot

#

beacuse rotation and raid leading has been tough for me

#

i sat out this week purely to raid lead

drowsy snow
#

Did you ask for help but now you’re just deflecting the advice?

#

I’m confused

austere fog
#

no im not im taking everything hes saying

coral ibex
austere fog
#

okay how about this if your name isnt whysper

#

how about you just stfu

#

and mind your buisness

barren linden
#

LMAO

austere fog
#

you guys are assholes

stark kraken
#

why so defensive Weirdge

oak eagle
#

bro were trying to help you

jolly heath
austere fog
#

beacuse your making fun of me and trashing on me .

#

when i came here to try and learn

barren linden
#

no we arent

austere fog
#

and make it better

#

okay you know what ill make this easy in 5 seconds

#

hold on

cunning needle
oak eagle
#

no one for the past 10 minutes has been trashing on you

prisma sundial
#

some people are lol

austere fog
#

okay there all blocked

#

i cant see there messages anymore

balmy condor
#

I mean you're here to try and learn but every time I point something out, you're saying that it's not a relevant log

austere fog
#

sorry whysper

#

as you were saying

balmy condor
#

so idk what to do

deft vault
#

ur making excuses for everything tho.

austere fog
#

i said my logs arent a great representation of my knowledge of hte build

#

i know my logs are scuffed

#

and my rotation was being fucked up

urban lily
austere fog
#

but i do know about the 5 cp stuff

balmy condor
#

okay

austere fog
#

and the DS cap

urban lily
#

Imagine calling people pricks

austere fog
#

and kingsbane window

balmy condor
#

well get some logs and then come back I guess

urban lily
#

When you are this rude

austere fog
#

imagine making fun of someone who comes here to learn?

#

like

#

yeah

#

your a prickj

deft vault
#

How big of a nerfsa were the bugfixes?

coral ibex
#

you're*

urban lily
#

Get into his pm if you want a 1 a 1

balmy condor
#

so

#

idk

#

how bout you shut it

austere fog
#

its okay i blocked it

drowsy snow
#

Hit a dummy for like 10 minutes and log it

manic coral
#

theres plenty of people here selling coaching

austere fog
#

ive never done my own logs

#

always someone in my guild does it

#

how do you run your own logs that would be new to me

urban lily
austere fog
#

i could do that right now actually

urban lily
#

So gl

balmy condor
austere fog
#

ill run my own logs on the dummie

#

cool thanks

#

let me take a look at that

#

i thought you could only run logs in raid

#

didnt know i could log my dummie damage like that

drowsy snow
#

At least then we’ll have better reference material

austere fog
#

yeah for sure

balmy condor
austere fog
#

i didnt know you could do that

#

ive always just been in a guild that logs when we raid

#

ive read the guiide thats what he doesnt udnerstand

urban lily
austere fog
#

i literally leave it on my second monitor

#

all day when im playing

#

and read it over and over and over

cunning needle
#

yeah but there's a difference between reading and understanding

austere fog
#

and thats whta led me here.

cunning needle
#

honestly if you're going to continue to raid lead

#

pick a different class because rogue/melee aint it for raid leading

#

or go hit dummies for an hour

austere fog
#

yeah im playing AUG next week

cunning needle
#

until the rotation becomes muscle memory

austere fog
#

for raid leading

cunning needle
#

aug is also not a raid leading class 😦

austere fog
#

im atually a pretty good aug

#

i was 6/8 mythic all of dragonflight

cunning needle
#

at least from what i hear about it

austere fog
#

on aug

cunning needle
#

also also

#

when you raid lead

austere fog
#

its easier for me to raid lead that way but my rogue is my babe

cunning needle
#

just accept you will do bad damage

austere fog
#

i mean i dont want to hinder my guild

#

with shit damage

#

especially in mythic

manic coral
#

then be 21st man

austere fog
#

yeah

cunning needle
#

it's fine

#

just do bad damage

coral ibex
#

dont raid lead if you can't do dps while raid leading, or dont dps while raid leading if you cant do dps while raid leading

austere fog
#

thats what ive done some weeks

#

wow...

#

thanks for that information

cunning needle
#

you will be better off doing bad damge as a 20th man raid leader

#

than raid leading as 21th man

austere fog
#

i never would of thought that lol

barren linden
#

you can try for class that have lot of downtime? not sure which class

urban lily
#

Don't say all that people, soon the judge will talk about bad advices

cunning needle
#

because if youre not acutally doing the fight

deft vault
#

Isnt dev pretty slow pace?

cunning needle
#

you don't learn the smaller details

#

and smaller adjustments

austere fog
#

oh believe me ive done the fights

cunning needle
#

you are just being a voice prompter for bigwigs/dbm

austere fog
#

and i know the fights intimately

frank condor
#

rogue is a terrible raid leader spec unless you have god mode brain. my cooked brain doesn't do it well at all but we need the debuff