assassination

[lunar berry]

is it on an envenom or KB?

[balmy condor]

but why are you playing cold blood on deathstalker

cold blood doesn't affect dots

so can't CB a kingsbane

[lunar berry]

dunno, top 2 assa rogues on solo shuuffle does that

[balmy condor]

oh

pvp shit

[subtle tundra]

😔

[balmy condor]

#pvp probably knows

[lunar berry]

ah aight

[urban lily]

forget deathstalker

embrace fate

so you can play coldblood

[ebon prism]

What key do u have? 14 mists? Lol

[subtle tundra]

10 mists prob

[vocal cradle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[urban lily]

13 cot

[ebon prism]

Nah no shot it was a 10

[subtle tundra]

2.8k for 13?

woah

[urban lily]

thats what most of them have

for 13

[ebon prism]

2.75k is like 5-6 12s

So not too big of a leap to apply for 13

[urban lily]

yep

[ebon prism]

Varas doesn't remember because he has all 15s done

[urban lily]

the issue is 12s, never invite people that never done a 12 into a 12

[keen spruce]

finery's don't drop from normal if u did heroic

i've been lied to

[subtle tundra]

i have 2 15s...

they are hard

dungeons are very hard!

[balmy condor]

they won't drop from mythic either if you did heroic

that's how caps work

[undone pollen]

Is it 8 cap each week?

[balmy condor]

think its 10 a week

sometimes you get 2

[undone pollen]

But the quest is still 16 everytime?

[balmy condor]

yeh

quest is every 2 weeks

[undone pollen]

Ty!

[keen spruce]

yeah but i'm like 1-2 weeks bhind

behind

wait

no

fk

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

I already spent 16

[urban lily]

whisp

[keen spruce]

[urban lily]

what do you think aobut runn?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

runn deez nuts across your face?

[royal lantern]

you see the thing is

you are not on reddit, and instead actually play the game

[urban lily]

YES

[arctic socket]

pain

[proven basin]

is bottled flaywing toxin trinket any good?

[arctic socket]

its passive good damage

[proven basin]

i have skardyn's grace as my other trinket

[arctic socket]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear#bis-items-mythic

theres a trinket spot there

go read it

has explanation's of every trinket

[proven basin]

great, thanks!

[keen spruce]

you can also just sim

trinkets

[arctic socket]

nah sheemps

[keen spruce]

cuz depending on your stats lots of trinkets gain or lose value

[merry bison]

That’s tough

[keen spruce]

sacbrood sims lower than contract, crystal, and spyglass for me

[arctic socket]

sacbrood is doodoo

crystal is love

crystal is life

😄

[keen spruce]

yeah but sac is S-tier

cuz tier lists are goofy

so just sim

[arctic socket]

tbf

[keen spruce]

[arctic socket]

all the s / a tier trinkets are

within eachother

[west crown]

Spyglass supremacy

[arctic socket]

spyglass is doodoo

crystal / mandate gamers

[sullen steppe]

Hi guys newish to assa. What is my best way to deal with the fragments on Skarmorak in Stonevault. And for the totems before last boss? In a coordinated group should I not be hitting them or should I think ahead and sit on some combo points?

[west crown]

Eww mandate

[arctic socket]

i like to press ct on crystals and boss so it gets alot of value

n Fok

[west crown]

Just swap too it a throw an envenom. They die easy

[pulsar ember]

Any gear from brd?

[barren sleet]

I usually just bleed the two closest to the boss, I only do around 10s though so not sure if higher keys would have a different strat

[west crown]

Side grades for hero gear

[forest nacelle]

been running Knife/mandate personally (although my mandate is vet still 😦 im unlucky.)

[west crown]

Yeah that works. I usually just throw rupture or CT in higher keys

[subtle tundra]

i did 14 today and i had to solo carry the fragments
so what i did was keep dots on boss and use envenoms with Darkest Night on the fragments

it fucked my dps yea

but it killed the boss

[sullen steppe]

Great tyvm

[subtle tundra]

i did have 2 other good dps

dk to solo shields and ele to carry boss dps

[latent bluff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[sullen steppe]

I’m running with an aug so is why im concerned

[subtle tundra]

yea.....

that boss very much sucks with an aug

[ebon prism]

Do u ever lose in overall to enh sham, frost dk, or ret pally? Or maybe even aff lock?

[west crown]

Just have to aug knock the boss up. That should help

[subtle tundra]

i beat frosts dk unless its a really great player, which i only sometimes beat

havent played with ret, aff, enha

idk i dont do many keys

[west crown]

Can’t beat ele

[subtle tundra]

and every key has a frost and me

yea ele i dont beat

they are going down in the ground on wednesday, so ill beat them then

[west crown]

They had their time as Zeus for a bit

[latent bluff]

am I the only one that is not seeing dots on Whispyr's wa?

[subtle tundra]

he only tracks garrote rupture i believe

[ebon prism]

Yeah like a whole week. That's plenty

[slate crown]

Tell me, do you just mean rupture/garrote icons missing?

[ebon prism]

I see garrote and rupture and CT on your target

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor if you have two on-use trinkets, the simulations use the first trinket first and the second thereafter, right? does it line up the second on-use trinket with the 2nd kingsbane if my first trinket is 2 min like skardyns?

[balmy condor]

yes and no

technically yes, that would be the fallback logic

but with how transmitter/skardyns/mandate fight

and shared cooldown shit

the assa apl specifically hardcodes their usages so it doesn't troll

transmitter/skardyns will cast on dm and then 1 min later

[meager glacier]

Hey, im using Whispyr's WA and im wondering what this number on the top right of envenom icon is? Ty

[balmy condor]

amp poison

[merry bison]

They‘re beatable

[west crown]

I ain’t beating 20 mil

[merry bison]

If ele pulls his cds on a fat pack they wont do anything for the next two packs

[west crown]

That’s still ends up like 3 mil overall

[merry bison]

Yea you wont beat them on burst

But on overall it’s absolutely possible

Their dmg is not linear

[sharp viper]

what would happen in the simulation if you had both transmitter and skardyns or maybe even egg?

[balmy condor]

^

egg wouldn't do shit though

[merry bison]

Rare cases, not a lot of ele can pull those

[balmy condor]

I don't think it ever casts egg

[merry bison]

Mister whisp

Question regarding the rogue apl

[sharp viper]

wouldn't that make egg better than it sims if you can line it up for a juicy non-dm kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

what

what are you lining up with egg

[merry bison]

Does the sim apply two kingsbane if I set the time length on 1:30?

[balmy condor]

well yeah ofc

kingsbane is a 1min cd

[merry bison]

wait

Im dumb

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-meme-memes-meme-cat-gif-17050447336269230796

[sharp viper]

skardyns on dm and hten 1 minute later egg on-use on 2nd kingsbane

[balmy condor]

okay but

egg on use

doesn't actually do anything

[midnight atlas]

can we pad on simms ? make them 1 min and 14s long so we get the last tick of kb?

[balmy condor]

it locks the current stacks

[shut leaf]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp viper]

doesn't it mean you can stop running around and stand still or do the opposite after you use egg and the other stat will increase?

maybe I misunderstood the on-use effect

[balmy condor]

the egg has stacks

moving is stack A

standing still is stack B

you never want to go above 20 stacks on either side

because the stacks have a huge reduction past 20

the on-use locks in your current stacks for a bit

that's it

sims will naturally be hovering around 15/15

there's no point in pressing the button

[sharp viper]

so neither A nor B will change during the on-use?

[subtle tundra]

i keep reading about this egg trinket

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

and every time i read about it

it gets worse

wtf

[merry bison]

Scramble it

[sharp viper]

okay, thanks for explaining, I misunderstood

[merry bison]

Fry it

Boil it

[subtle tundra]

i boil it

[cerulean walrus]

Juggle the eggs

[merry bison]

[cerulean walrus]

Juggle the balls

[merry bison]

[cerulean walrus]

Ovinax egg sounds like one of the worst fucking trinkets of all time and Transmitter exists

[merry bison]

no hate for mister transmitter

[cerulean walrus]

And fucking witherbark branch existed

And the meme box ??? Trinket

Existed

[latent bluff]

I'm seeing this when I'm not running TTK

[midnight atlas]

i liked branch

[merry bison]

Dont forget the weird egg in df

[cerulean walrus]

The egg was fine if you trained it

But heaven forbid you use it on the wrong thing

[merry bison]

Where you had to train those little fucks to make dmg

[cerulean walrus]

[midnight atlas]

sepulcher artificer trinket was dope i forgot the name

[wide ferry]

2750io and ive spent 45 minutes trying to get into a 12 is this how shit is from now on lol

[merry bison]

No inv

[balmy condor]

yeah that's cause both envenoms load

[tacit wedge]

Grieftorch with the reset weakaura :)

[balmy condor]

that's fixed in the last update

[merry bison]

Deplete your key to 10, play it ++ and play your own

No way you’re getting invited for a 12 below 2,8k

[balmy condor]

or if you just go under the load conditions of this wa and set it to only load with ttk talented

[pliant remnant]

Just time all 12s and then you get into 12s pretty easily

👍

[cerulean walrus]

Whispie poo when are you gonna make the bars not ugly pookie?

[tacit wedge]

Flawless logic

[balmy condor]

?

[pliant remnant]

[slate crown]

I think they look nice

[merry bison]

M+ squish sadly fucked up the brackets and forced different skill groups to squeeze into one

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah that’s cause he stole it from you

[pliant remnant]

To be fair, I was memeing, but you did also ask "from now on", so

[cerulean walrus]

[ebon prism]

That's because 2800+ are all queuing for those. If it's their last 12 they need. Just need to push your own key or find a group to play with

[balmy condor]

they look fine idk man

cry about it

[cerulean walrus]

Thanks I will

[merry bison]

Whispypopo

:3

[cerulean walrus]

[merry bison]

Does someone here own a furry costume

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr loves to wear his cat ears

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[arctic socket]

frost dks are funny

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-wiggle-mrrp-nya-colon-three-gif-27633901

[cerulean walrus]

Imagine hardly breaking 1m in the current patch

[merry bison]

boosted refrigerators

[cerulean walrus]

That shit’s sub tank damage now

[pliant remnant]

I dunno what they did with FDK, 'cause I play mine pretty casually, but I did a Siege with some guildies today and MAN I sucked endless amounts of dick

[royal lantern]

a couple days ago i dreamed about skardyns getting nerfed and i have to use transmitter, woke up pissed and took me a while to realise that it was not real

and that gave me a realisation

its concerning that i dreamed about fucking wow balance, wtf brain

[pliant remnant]

Did like -250k on logs compared to two weeks ago, 6 item levels lower

[royal lantern]

what is wrong with me

[pliant remnant]

[royal lantern]

[tame valve]

Do you manage to parse despite the necrotracker bug, please tell me no.??

[merry bison]

Maybe you just enjoy the schlong too much

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah sorry man go touch grace grass or something

[royal lantern]

i cant anymore

thats beyond touching grass

[arctic socket]

you good dawg?

[royal lantern]

touching wont help anymore

[arctic socket]

1 day i will get a 639

[pliant remnant]

brother

I've done 50 Grim Batols trying to upgrade this piece of shit

[heavy canopy]

We’ll all get it Wednesday

[merry bison]

1 day I will get a skardyns

[pliant remnant]

[arctic socket]

and a replacement to my normal ring

4k mastery tho kinda big

[pliant remnant]

I have 3 Umbriss Bands

Two of them have Avoidance

Still no Skardyn's

[arctic socket]

is that the

[hoary apex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cerulean walrus]

God I love the great vault ya know? I was just jaded before

[pliant remnant]

[cerulean walrus]

Shit was just edging me

[arctic socket]

i need to do one more 10

but idk if i got the strength in me to

[cerulean walrus]

If you don’t do it… Skardyn’s in the third slot

Think about that

[amber fossil]

cudos @balmy condor , your WA makes it super easy to track Darkest Night

[cerulean walrus]

And muster the strength to do another

[arctic socket]

i already have that happened

🙂

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah well

It’ll happen again

Bozo

Get back in there

[arctic socket]

i mean

im kinda wanting a 639 wep

more ya know?

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah well

Weapon in third slot

Get back in there

[arctic socket]

lmao

[cerulean walrus]

Bozo

[arctic socket]

naw

i get instantly declined

xD

[cerulean walrus]

Also Bloodbound dagger is a thing? Hello?

[arctic socket]

That dagger is dog piss

[royal lantern]

?

what

[west crown]

Don’t post these skardyns here

[royal lantern]

weapon is weapon

[arctic socket]

Oh

wait

[cerulean walrus]

[west crown]

Risk the wrath of he who shall not be named

[heavy canopy]

Kukri? Better than most other daggers

[arctic socket]

you meant bloudbound as in the raid boss

[cerulean walrus]

Bro talking dumb as fuck

Lmao

[arctic socket]

not the bleed effect dagger

Yuh

i had a momment

[cerulean walrus]

Brother thinking I’m talking about

The Barman Shanker

[arctic socket]

brd thing?

[cerulean walrus]

[arctic socket]

i mean

they both started with b

so

not far off

[cerulean walrus]

Bro thinks I’m talking about a shattered bottle

[pliant remnant]

That's racist

[royal lantern]

the British Dagger

[cerulean walrus]

You know what else starts with b?

[arctic socket]

Someone

[west crown]

Bad Raid Depths

[cerulean walrus]

Bozo

[arctic socket]

invite me to a 10 gb

[west crown]

The seven gives me epilepsy

[heavy canopy]

Does anyone know if the charge from first NP boss, Ulgrax, can be baited? Or is it just random?

[upbeat shuttle]

i feel like im gonna get a "sim it" answer. But why is it belt and wrist you want to craft vs lets say wrist and boots? Is it that the boots that drop just have better itemization than the belt from raid? Or are the crafted boots just inferior with stat weights or something?

[uneven plume]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tame valve]

Do you manage to parse despite the necrotracker bug, please tell me no.?

[ivory orchid]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[heavy canopy]

Those specific items have the smallest differences between crafted and myth level gear

[upbeat shuttle]

oooo okay thank you @heavy canopy

[heavy canopy]

Might even be better than myth tier pieces, but it’s always better to replace a low ilvl piece if you have better wrists, for example

[upbeat shuttle]

Okay i see now how the belt stats are closer to eachother than boots which have way higher haste/ mastery stats

ya in my case i suppose my boots are garbage where as my belt is the one from raid and is actually decent. So would be better for me to craft new boots than the belt

[jovial idol]

Hey guys, is this good overall with an Aug in group? It was a 10 SV and I'm around 620 ilvl

[cobalt sphinx]

nah

2.4 minimum

[pliant remnant]

Yeah that's terrible

Reroll Feral Druid I think tbh

[jovial idol]

I see. Any tips?

[heavy canopy]

If you timed the key, that’s all that matters lol

[restive quartz]

is deathstalker still the better hero talent to use?

[jovial idol]

Well I always like to see what I can do better. Admittedly I'm still gearing so that one is pretty obvious

[heavy canopy]

Also, those stats are good

[pliant remnant]

Just showing us overall isn't going to tell us anything about what you can do better

[jovial idol]

Ah, since they mentioned it's terrible.

[cyan cipher]

Your just looking for a compliment cause this

[heavy canopy]

But if you’re pumping into adds that don’t need to be pumped, the damage is worth nothing

[jovial idol]

I thought it was okay, but not that bad haha so I think I must be doing something wrong now

[fervent relic]

Does aoe Rupture put Bone Spike on all targets, or just on the main target?

[gusty mirage]

all

up to 3

cause 3 charges

[fervent relic]

ok, and is CT worth it in m+ boss fights?

[jovial idol]

So I should be expecting minimum 2.4 m overall around my item level?

[gusty mirage]

nah you skip CT in ST

[jovial idol]

620

[heavy canopy]

No

[pliant remnant]

No

'twas a meme

[fervent relic]

ty

[gusty mirage]

[heavy canopy]

Your stats are fine, but again, damage numbers don’t matter

[gusty mirage]

your overall will swing wildly based on the tank + other dps + route + which dungeon it is

etc

[jovial idol]

Hmm well I think i have my basics down, on what targets to funnel, cc, etc

[gusty mirage]

then you're chillin

[jovial idol]

But I never done a key with an aug

[heavy canopy]

Sometimes your best bet is to focus on ST damage for example, so your numbers will be lower. Damage depends on the dungeon, the run, the team, the problems, the situations, etc

[jovial idol]

So was curious by hoe much they bump you up

[void mesa]

If you just give us numbers to know if it's good or bad... all we can is meme about the numbers

Only thing I can say is your aug seems pretty lackluster, but I also hate augs so 🙃

[jovial idol]

I was mostly curious about the interactiob with Aug

[gusty mirage]

best bet to see that is to log your runs with augs

[heavy canopy]

I don’t get the aug hype, but maybe I’m just yet to play with a good one

[gusty mirage]

cause the logs auto take back the damage and it'll show you how much damage they gave you

[void mesa]

Aug is good utility and survivability. Dmg wise its usually below a no aug comp, but lets you do funkier routing/pulls

[jovial idol]

All right I'll check out some logs with Aug. Thanks and sorry for the lack of info, just wanted to hear people's opinions on the whole Aug interaction

Did not mean to incur any bad memes or anything

[gusty mirage]

aug isn't as obscene as it was at times in dragonflight + aug is the easiest spec to get boosted on cause legit most people don't care enough to check logs to see if they're doing their job properly

[void mesa]

Just remember that a simple Details picture shows about nothing, basically no matter the context, but its all good no worries 🙂

[gusty mirage]

aug used to be oppressively good

[gusty mirage]

you don't have to apologize friend

but it breaks down damage on warcraft logs for augvokers like this if you hover over their dps number:

[heavy canopy]

I see - I’m late to the party then 😛

[gusty mirage]

honestly I'm jealous because augvoker being that good ruined keys

[raw zephyr]

Anyone noticed that the master assassin buff does not refresh if you leave stealth (pick up weapons in necrotic or whatever) and then re-stealth while the buff is still active, it does not reapply. can't seem to cancel MA aura? subterfuge instantly resets as well as all other associated buffs besides MA

[gusty mirage]

like there was no point to push keys because augvoker + fire mage + spriest was just that much better than everyone else

[void mesa]

Aug was some of the worst additions to keys ngl

[gusty mirage]

[void mesa]

Everything was just tuned around it. Trying to push without it was near impossible, while with it it became trivial

[gusty mirage]

yea that's been in the game forever sadly, idr if it's just a visual bug or not

[royal python]

It's fine next week the bug gets nerfed

[raw zephyr]

I just noticed it when trying to check for subterfuge uptime vs application and even tho I had 9 seconds worth of MA, my overal uptime was 6.09 seconds per application. >.< idk if subterfuge is broken or the other way around

[heavy canopy]

That reminds me, sometimes when trying to Mutilate, it bugs and says “this ability requires stealth” - has anyone experienced this?

[gusty mirage]

subterfuge has always had the funniest bugs, idk if this is still in the game but you can fully cast hearthstone while stealthed and not break stealth while talented into it

also if you mount up, it breaks stealth as you mount lol

so you go the entire mount cast in stealth

and as soon as you're on the mount you break stealth

[marsh falcon]

guys im parsing pretty bad on Ulgrax mythic, does anyone have any tips for how I can boost dps on the add phase?

[royal python]

Nuke spatter adds

[marsh falcon]

ive been dotting one of the big ones up and splattering

[gusty mirage]

ye that's a stance delay issue and has been in the game for legit like 16 years at this point

[royal python]

Send dm n kb into a big add, that's all

[marsh falcon]

save cds for add phase?

[heavy canopy]

Yeah, thought so - annoying, throws me off sometimes🙃

[royal python]

You don't need to save, they line up for adds

[gusty mirage]

best bet is turning off action bar paging if you're using non-default, or if you're using default, use like actionbar 5 as your main bar and rebind it so it doesn't swap

[raw zephyr]

is there any way around it? cancelauras? a voodoo dance? D:

[hearty sluice]

Is there any known issues with having more then 3 serrated bone spikes in targets? im currently looking at 4 bone spikes in 4 targets dummies and all 4 are still ticking for damage.

[heavy canopy]

Do you then macro ambush and mutilate?

[balmy condor]

whats the issue with that

[gusty mirage]

I used to use a stance macro for ambush/mutilate

I might still have it saved lemme log on and check for you

[royal python]

Bone spike has a refresh cd, in theory you could have infinite spikes if fight lasts infinitely long

[hearty sluice]

not really any issues just wondering if this is just on target dummies or can this be replicated in dungeons raid.

[balmy condor]

yeah ofc

3 stacks to fight

then as you get charges back

you could technically get a fourth

[heavy canopy]

Tbh my stealth bar and default bar are the same except for Ambush instead of Mutilate, so that’d be an easy change with just a macro

[gusty mirage]

/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate

found it :3

[hearty sluice]

Ok thank you very much!

[balmy condor]

just requires you have all the targets

[heavy canopy]

Awesome, thank you!

[amber fossil]

Whispyr, your WA makes it so easy to track Darkest Night, thx for your efforts

[balmy condor]

np

[warped jackal]

is Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg a good trinket ???

[balmy condor]

yes

[warped jackal]

in wowhead it B tier but it siming more than the other raid tirnket ?

[cerulean nest]

tbh I hate using it lol

[warped jackal]

oh hi Whispyr Love your Guid Btw very very rich with information

[balmy condor]

depends how good of a use you can get out of it

[balmy condor]

ty

I can't really recommend the egg to a person just opening the guide

cause you'd have to juggle stacks

[warped jackal]

indeed i am new to rogue . matter fact it is my 3rd-4th alt so i dont put alot of time on it . but i dont have any other trinket and there is nothing wrong with some challange

[balmy condor]

yeah

if you can keep the trinket under 20 stacks

it's good

[deep sorrel]

whispyr* did you get to silken mythic yet?

[balmy condor]

no

[wary valley]

how big is the nerf to master assassin going to be?

[deep sorrel]

you think you will hold for amps? or send

[ancient pendant]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

oh send for sure

[ancient pendant]

can you confirm my thoughts about M+ keys right now and build for assa

[wary valley]

ty

[balmy condor]

that is a terrifying question

[ancient pendant]

In GB, Necrotic and SV we take silence 100% and vanish (for extra reason)

[deep sorrel]

ye everyone is holding for amps but i do not think this is the play

[ancient pendant]

in DB we DON't take iron wire 100% (just kick casts)

[deep sorrel]

not for first one anyway, idk will play around with it

[balmy condor]

kekw

[ancient pendant]

and in other keys (Mists, City, Arakara, Boralus) it's 50-50 depends on comp

[thorn fjord]

!wa

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[marsh falcon]

no iron wire on nw?

[balmy condor]

bro do whatever you want

I'm not going to get in a discussion about m+ talents anymore

[ancient pendant]

Iron Wire in NW is absolutely mandatory

[marsh falcon]

sounds wild

[balmy condor]

I'm sick of fucking m+ players man

[ancient pendant]

?

[runic hinge]

We’re too fotm. We must go back

Not taking IW for 1% dps is insane regardless of the key

Just saying

You’re dropping it for what? Imp poisons

[marsh falcon]

iron wire just feels good in every opening

[balmy condor]

first top rogues play without a trace and iron wire every key super mandatory even with the huge dps loss cause "you don't get it whispyr, the utility and the silence is unmatched, you would never understand, it's just too powerful, especially with the hard cc nerfs like iron wire is crazy"

and I go "yeah fair enough, if that's worth the like 7-8% dps loss"

1 patch later, same dungeon rotation

and now that it's NOT a huge damage loss

and it's playable

now we're dropping without a trace

and dropping iron wire

I fucking give up man

what do you want from me

[fringe oxide]

Raid enjoyers

[gilded wasp]

Hey guys , can someone send me a log parse of a clean run in assa ?

[ancient pendant]

anlaki

[runic hinge]

Assa is too fotm. I gotta to do my keys on sub now or something

[vagrant brook]

its easily explained, people just copy casualaddict without knowing why

he no take iw I no take iw

[runic hinge]

Causal can do whatever. They’re actually too good at the game

[old hedge]

do you guys play some alts? trying to pick something when i'm cooked on rogue but nothing else is remotely fun

[runic hinge]

Spriest is alright

[onyx musk]

think he said for like 3 dungeons he doesnt play IW, siege and 2 other iirc

[runic hinge]

Fury and ret are mindless

[royal python]

Play fire mage

[lucid silo]

Wet ass trussy is the best talent

[limber coral]

Got cooked on Havoc, I geared my rogue and now I am just waiting to get the axe on assa. so I am in the same boat

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor

[snow grail]

in raid, should i be holding my shivs such that im alway susing 2 in kingsbane?

[runic hinge]

Does that say 4 in bags?

[arctic socket]

yes

it does

lmao

[runic hinge]

You’re evil lmao

[old hedge]

i despise the movement playstyle, heard its not mandatory but still strongest?

[runic hinge]

Reported

[limber coral]

Played havoc since it dropped, you get used to it, I enjoy the movement. Rogue has always been my 2nd choice since 3 DPS spec's one of em is bound to be good in a season.

[latent badger]

anyone got advice for doing dam in the massive pulls like ara kara 1st or stitchflesh room 1st pull? I'm likely either spending too much time spreading dots or dropping globals to dodge too much I think but I genuinely get the same dps on 7-8 target pulls as I do on these giga ones

[vagrant brook]

single-handedly causing Skardyn's inflation

[arctic socket]

i dont have a crystal from dawnbreaker

tho

[tawdry halo]

i think you only need to reapply 4-5 ruptures after the initial set fall off

and then just focus on your prio with caustic and keep CT up

[arctic socket]

trinkets anyone?

[worldly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/residentevil-merchant-gif-6214633

[lucid silo]

No ocarina or gear a rang

[arctic socket]

WAIT

i forgot some

[lucid silo]

See above comment

[olive pivot]

Should I continue tab targetting during the IC window?

[tawdry halo]

I have mouseover macros for this, but tab targeting also works

Just make sure you keep track of your mark target

[vagrant brook]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[olive pivot]

Oh thanks

[pliant remnant]

[old hedge]

isnt 5 raptures max u want to upkeep anyway?

[left mica]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dreamy elk]

If I need to accelerate my CD usage (deathmark + KB) in a pull because pulls aren't lasting long enough (say at a +10), when would I send those two CDs within this timeline?

[balmy condor]

Gar gar rup CDs

And then suffer

And not have env up

While you build to ct

And then env when the pack is dead

[wary copper]

how does lingering darkness work

[balmy condor]

You press deathmark

When it expires you get lingering darkness

Repeat every 2 min

[wary copper]

omg

[raw zephyr]

anyway around thistile tea that doesnt make me wanna cry? ty D:

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

Macro it and forget it

[bronze pike]

but forums told me that tea has to be pressed for energy in st raid cause sin always at 0 eneergy

if macro, how press

[wary copper]

im sorry whispyr i dont even read spell names, swear i thought deathmark was deathstalker

ty for explain

[raw zephyr]

but doesnt it insta use a charge when reaching 30 energy? do I just create warning wa's before hitting 30 energy and qq while I wait? why they do this D:

[dreamy elk]

Beautiful, thanks dude.

[balmy condor]

Yep, that’s fine

You can just let it auto proc

[lucid silo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

Np

[gentle rover]

Do I just take slice and dice off my bars now?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[raw zephyr]

But i dont want to D: I wanna time the mastery buff

[balmy condor]

Okay but it’s not a difference in damage

So

Idk

[raw zephyr]

it feels better to have energy when I think I need it than not to.

[balmy condor]

Change happens

Adapt

I just stopped tracking tea pretty much

[thick juniper]

It’s how we became humans

[umbral sigil]

does tea proc automatically?

[balmy condor]

Macro, gg, always have 1 charge of tea

[balmy condor]

Yes

[umbral sigil]

so dont bother with it?

[balmy condor]

!twa

Fuck

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

Macro and forget

[cyan cipher]

@balmy condor Do you mind looking at my log?

[balmy condor]

I’m at work atm

[umbral sigil]

that just stops it from auto proccing?

sorry im new idk whats going on

[slate crown]

Tea auto procs if you dip below 30 energy. you can also press it as a button. You don't need it to proc it auto, you can use it manually, and the time to use it manually is with shiv. So, you macro it to shiv and that's enough to never think about it again.

it doesn't need to auto-proc, it just will if you drop below 30

[umbral sigil]

Gotcha, that was my confusion i guess, why macro it if it auto procs

makes sense though

[arctic venture]

Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg why this trinket is simulating soo good?

over the BIS ones?

[balmy condor]

Because optimally you would cast it during shiv

It’s just not a big deal if it auto procs

[balmy condor]

Sims play around it correctly

It’s a good trinket

[graceful solstice]

anybody know why the tea macro doesn't work for me? If I remove the castsequence and just make it cast shiv+tea it's fine, but with the castsequence setup is just NEVER uses tea. is there some setting i could have disabled/etc

[balmy condor]

Do you have old tea from like legion

[graceful solstice]

like the actual consumable?

in my bank probably...

[long pecan]

IT is Eth cloak or bait and switch that is bugged and give like 1.25% dps?

[scenic nacelle]

Eth cloak

[long pecan]

ty

[scenic nacelle]

Gave us flensing knives

Rip

[long pecan]

is it fixed ?

[scenic nacelle]

2024-2024

[slate crown]

gave*

yes it's fixed

no more

[long pecan]

ah ok !

[balmy condor]

They fixed it yeh

[long pecan]

On the same note : i cant believe bugged outlaw parses are still valid on warcraftlog

[heavy mountain]

!wa

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[shy heron]

I can. Zac, believe it or not, has actually been trying to work with 'em to isolate the parses. Ugh, I can't believe I'm saying something nice about zac

[balmy condor]

They’re getting removed

It just takes time

[gray citrus]

reading these pins lmao

theyre a joy

i am also here to ask a dumb question. sim on nightly latest or weekly

[balmy condor]

Always latest

[gray citrus]

ty

[balmy condor]

Weekly only gets rebuilt on Mondays

[shy heron]

That works for any of the 3 rogue specs

[balmy condor]

So you’d be missing anything that happens ever

[shy heron]

Broadly

[balmy condor]

Not even rogue specs

Just every spec

[gray citrus]

i saw casual addict running a variation of MA that still takes bone spikes, p cool. sorry if this type of talk isnt allowed here i havent been to the rogue discord in like 5 years

[balmy condor]

If something gets fixed or changed in sims weekly

Will just be

REALLY slow

And give weird answers

[shy heron]

I don't trust other APLs like I trust rogue. We got it good here

[pliant roost]

!WA

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[balmy condor]

He’s been playing like 40 different builds

Lots of possibilities atm

[gray citrus]

i kinda like this one cuz its extended ma buff with the ease of rupture into crimson tempest again

feelz nice.

and u can rupture way more shit too

[balmy condor]

Shouldn’t really do more than 5

[gray citrus]

u right

[storm forum]

This is my weekly, thanks whispyr post.

[balmy condor]

Ty

[pulsar flicker]

I have a question. As a Night Elf Assa in M+ sometimes I can use Shadowmeld and get into stealth and sometimes it doesn't. Can anyone explain the reason why? I'm not moving during shadowmeld to go into stealth

[neon thunder]

depends if just trash or boss

[pulsar flicker]

trash or boss, whats the difference

[balmy condor]

boss locks you into combat

trash doesn't

[pulsar flicker]

lets say trash, then why I cant sometimes restealth in shadowmeld?

[balmy condor]

taking damage, moving, debuff

[pulsar flicker]

othrwise it should always 100%?

[gray citrus]

is it intended that hero talent mark breaks ur stealth

[pulsar flicker]

do you mean deathstalker ?

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

shadowmeld is one of the most antique, janky mechanics

in this whole game

the thing is a nightmare

you're basically flipping a coin if it lets you stealth or not every time you press it

[gray citrus]

yea

[pulsar flicker]

i just paid money to swap races, sadge.

[gray citrus]

in pvp atleast it breaks ur stealth and keeps u in combat

[pulsar flicker]

that's what I don't understand

[gray citrus]

idk about for pve.

im dragon girl 8)

[balmy condor]

racials kinda don't matter

[pulsar flicker]

what is a dragon girl doing in rogue discord smh

[balmy condor]

there's barely anything worth from them outside of like peak top 0.1%

[sullen steppe]

Any spreadsheet around showing what can be evasioned etc for keys?

[balmy condor]

no

[gray citrus]

im dragon girl bc they look better duh

[balmy condor]

filter hit

[slate crown]

rip

[balmy condor]

but tanks not letting you restealth is fine

idk

improvise adapt overcome

[drowsy hatch]

restealth rant NOW

[gray citrus]

first boss necrotic wake heaving retch or w/e is evasion-able

[pulsar flicker]

I swapped to due to pug tanks being dumbasses and not letting me restealth

[gray citrus]

but not cloakable

its a physical plague hit !

[balmy condor]

it is

you have to cloak within the first second of cloak

when it's got a super immunit

[balmy condor]

yes, that's fine

[gray citrus]

wat rly

shoulda known this on my 13 smh

[balmy condor]

yeh

[gray citrus]

WAIT I DIDNT READ IT TIL NOW

[storm forum]

ive found being outside of melee makes restealths more likely, but its a pita and not rly worth the 2 globals most of the time

[gray citrus]

has played rogue for 20 years so i stopped reading the abilities

[balmy condor]

yeh

funny tooltip

it's a bit vague

[gray citrus]

mk so 1 second is "a moment"

[balmy condor]

but there's very specific niche situations

[gray citrus]

and it doesnt show at all on the buff bar

[balmy condor]

where it's important

and the blightborne frontal

is one of them

[gray citrus]

kekw wtf.

well evasion also works there but good to know

[balmy condor]

yeh

dw

next season won't have any

and then the season after will have one again

and everyone will have forgotten

the cycle of life

[gray citrus]

the cycle of cloak

[supple ether]

crafting dagger as my first craft is ok right ?

[dawn heath]

enhance is out of this world

wtf is this

[spare cargo]

is that overall

with aug

[zenith cedar]

yeah its busted

[spare cargo]

like why are ppl hiding augs 😂

[dawn heath]

the thing is

this run was so scuffed

we had 15 deaths

or something

chain releasing

we timed 14

[worthy surge]

morning all is hybrid still the way to go for mythic plus

[dawn heath]

cause he is doing so much damage

enhance

xd

[storm forum]

as a base yeah, you can play around for stuff like subterfuge and MA and TTK but the base of get the 4 right capstones is good.

[keen mist]

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas/clip/LaconicYawningSheepPeoplesChamp-qWOOINkJ3CK2haUx?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

enhance is fine guys

[limber lion]

Fun spec that does giga dam

The dream

[scenic kiln]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[willow wren]

@slate crown ty for adding accessibility stuff to ur timeline wa its cool

[slate crown]

[glass spade]

can anyoner show a screen shot or logs etc etc that shows how your damage is sorted in AOE/keys?

im trying to see how close I am to producing damage the most efficient way

[frozen jasper]

can someone tell the Mouseover Rupture Macro again? i tried one that does not seem to work for me

[tall atlas]

I keep farting

Wc

[willow wren]

📸

[worldly sail]

[tall atlas]

Clearly my gut specced into poison bomb

[limber lion]

Spatter first, CT second, everything else after that

:-)

[glass spade]

Spatter was first for me which is a big improvement because I didn't utilize it enough in the past

I think my spatter was roughly 13 percent or so

[ashen horizon]

anyone know if the ring bug also works on offhands/weps?

[grand trail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stray adder]

Guys I'm suffering from Noskardyntitis, plz help

[hushed elbow]

are stones better than oil in aoe?

like ovi

[balmy condor]

stones are better than oil on everything

[hushed elbow]

wax too?

i thought AoE changed it, myb

oil/wax was just budget?

[balmy condor]

yes

wax is just free

[hushed elbow]

yeah, okay cool thanks whisp

[balmy condor]

the differences are fairly minor

[hushed elbow]

sure but stones/oil are the same price now so /shrug

[balmy condor]

yeh

so just stones always

[tall jay]

Hey, Whispyr, when’s is the next podcast coming out

[runic hinge]

Podcast is

[keen spruce]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[glad ferry]

Yo can someone check my rashanan recent kill on logs and tell me if im bad or just not getting played around caustic spatter ?

I have a feeling it took too long to kill and also adds died too fast but

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WXzMFmAtQYc3y2Db#fight=22&type=damage-done&source=23

my caustic did 80k xd feel like if i wanna parse thats a huge component but idk maybe not

[ebon steppe]

Tea fk tea

[glad ferry]

true

[spare cargo]

guess what

adds dont count

[frozen jasper]

can dracthyr turn off the double jump for in combat situations and out of combat its activated?

[ebon steppe]

In raid it's tolerable but in m+ fuck

[frozen jasper]

kinda throws me off cause i like to spam space while fighting lol

[ebon steppe]

It counts now

[glad ferry]

Pretty sure they count now, considering im looking at leaderboards for this boss and caustic is super high for top 100

so im assuming i just need to be played around for that boss

[ebon steppe]

Very hard to play around

[stray adder]

are you an ex fire mage player or?

[glad ferry]

But i wanted to have other opinions

[frozen jasper]

no always played rogue, dont know why i started jumping around

[stray adder]

has that not punished you in keys, like keeping you in place a sec too long?

sounds like an habit you should break

[frozen jasper]

not really, i guess its not too excessive though like i am not jumping constantly, but sometimes i just press space a bit too often

guess the switch to drac is leading me to break the habit though as i am not finding any possibilty to disable glide while in combat

[stray adder]

yeah you're gonna be miserable on dracthyr with that habit

[radiant snow]

any notable gear to get during anniversary event? from world bosses or raid?

[frozen jasper]

happens like once or twice per key that i glide unintentionally atm so i was just wondering but its cool might just bind jump to a different key for a while

[shy heron]

Not really no

If you have a significant ilvl upgrade you can get from there it's worth a shot though

[coral ibex]

a spec that scales almost infinitely with haste is getting a mini-lust from the affix

[cobalt sphinx]

There is no affix

12 removes it

[coral ibex]

ah didnt see the key level

[strange jasper]

how is assa gameplay wise? thinking of lvling a rogue, but are they like super complex gameplay wise?

m+ mostly

[tawdry halo]

How are you with DoT management?

[hasty gate]

ass rogue isnt bad but to play high lvl then its complex outlaw dumb easy and sub you have to be good

[spring socket]

outlaw dumb easy

im sure outlaw is screaming the same thing about sin homie

[coral ibex]

assa is very easy

spread bleeds, apply caustic, envenom

[hasty gate]

assa is very friendly but to play at a high lvl it becomes complex

[strange jasper]

im coming from ele shamans after the giga nerfs lol, so i am playing dumb easy spec already

[spring socket]

sin has low skill floor very high skill ceiling

[spare cargo]

Its not complex

[coral ibex]

whats the complexity

[spare cargo]

it become complex when you dont like the mini game

that every dps has

for me arcane mage is easier then frost

etc

so complexity=how much you like the class (fun)

[coral ibex]

you can completely ignore auto tea and lose 0.13% dps

[feral bloom]

Can you shadow step Queen Ansurek roots?

[coral ibex]

not sure, i cloak 2 of them and vanish a third

[feral bloom]

Tha's what I've been doing with cloak as well.

[strange jasper]

ill give rogue a go, what race as assassination fits alliance rogue the most according to u guys?

[hasty gate]

dont u just dodge them or am i thinking of wrong thing web blades ?

[balmy condor]

whatever the prettiest is

[strange jasper]

so mechagnome male it is then i guess

[limber coral]

Undead gang

[zenith tree]

If it can be Night Elf it should be Night Elf

[hasty gate]

exactly unless u wanna minmax nightelf human but it doesnt really matter

nightelf is good for restealth when ur tank is and ass lol or human as a nice passive but mech nome jump is nice

[balmy condor]

nelf is so overrated

[strange jasper]

i might give worgen a go, havent done a worgen since they came out all those years ago

[balmy condor]

there's three types of nelf players

1. boomers from 2004 who pogged out at the cinematic of vanilla

2. people coping out of their minds about restealths

3. actual high end rogues that are using meld to cheese a mechanic

[wooden flare]

anyone not playing robo-assassin (mechagnome) needs to give their head a shake

[balmy condor]

imagine if the cartel assassins from shadowlands were playable

[iron valve]

4. pvpers

[balmy condor]

if you're playing pvp in 2024

you fall under 1.

[iron valve]

HAHAHA true

[spare cargo]

so trueeeee

[craggy ruin]

what is the rotation aoe with subturfuge

?

[spare cargo]

wowhead

exactly the same

[balmy condor]

yeh

you don't actually do anything different

you just have

more

[spare cargo]

more time to help tank group up and get ur spreads

while silencing etc...

[balmy condor]

mostly more MA

and iron wire

but now m+ players are dropping iron wire in some dungeons

[prisma sundial]

ive been refreshing MA after 12 seconds in my opener with vanish is that a waste or is it fine since its covering the whole KB

[balmy condor]

so fuck if I know

[runic hinge]

I play it cause it does flips

[balmy condor]

if you don't need the vanish otherwise fuck it yolo

[prisma sundial]

sweet

also i loved your A-Z guide it was very helpful

[balmy condor]

just don't be that guy that vanishes for your kb damage and then comes in here bitching about restealths

cause I'll slap you

[balmy condor]

glad you liked it

[spare cargo]

even with giga monkey tanks i still can restealth

if you wait 1 sec a lil bit behind and kill the struggler

you should drop combat

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean a good chain pull the mobs would still be at like 30%

[spare cargo]

Also what cringes me is people not utilising shadowstep to catch up that much

and that you can use it in stealth

[prisma sundial]

shadowstep good

[stray adder]

people not pressing their buttons makes you cringe?

[spare cargo]

😂

[craggy ruin]

what is ma?

[stray adder]

who would've thought

[spare cargo]

its like me when i started rogue

rogue is not tanky as a mage

then i read the talents and start pogging

[coral ibex]

master assassin

[crisp burrow]

Why is everyone suddenly running subterfuge

Didn't you guys say build hasn't changed

[prisma sundial]

helps with garrotes

and getting shit done

[stray adder]

what

we use subt because we run MA

[spare cargo]

@balmy condor i think i can reproduce the deathstalker mark dropping off

[severe sparrow]

i liked the implication that i am a "high end rogue" by using meld for the only thing it's good for

[buoyant quest]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

uh huh

[spare cargo]

ambush on certain Dmark stacks from vanish makes it poof, also maybe when you have the Darkest proc it doesnt reaply it afterwards

dont ask me why i ambushed

[balmy condor]

there's a ton of builds atm, subterfuge/MA looks to be really strong now that subterfuge does something. The nerf on tuesday doesn't change builds

[crisp burrow]

Guess I'll give it a try

[hardy prairie]

so we need a separate bind for mut during subterfuge to apply caustic right?

other than that the play is essentially the same?

[coral ibex]

no

ambush will apply caustic

[hardy prairie]

ohh didn’t even know it did, ty

[coral ibex]

i just checked for you

[hardy prairie]

pog

[crisp burrow]

How's the subterfuge build btw, can't find it on wowhead

[hasty prairie]

Is that for M+?

[crisp burrow]

So basically just dropping supercharger

[acoustic roost]

Can also change ttk for sudden demise depending on the key level as well

[crisp burrow]

Actually no sudden demise?

[prisma sundial]

ttk/sbs/SD/sb can all be switched around

[coral ibex]

i prefer more ST damage, the spec already does a ton of aoe

[glad ferry]

send me string pls

❤️

@coral ibex

[crisp burrow]

I guess it may be nice in high keys

[acoustic roost]

It does fine in 10+

[coral ibex]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzyMmtZAAAAAAotlZmhHYmBzMzysMmZwMzYGMmZbbZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

[glad ferry]

ty

[crisp burrow]

Tbh I was struggling in 10s on ST with the m+ build

[keen spruce]

am I the only one still just playing regular ass hybrid

[crisp burrow]

I'm still learning this assa iteration anyway tho

[coral ibex]

you didnt fotm reroll to a subt build?

you freak

[keen spruce]

I tried it

didn't seem to make any difference

didn't sim higher

and packs didn't live long enough on 12s for the longer garrotes to matter

seems like cookin just to cook

[prisma sundial]

also for ST, did we drop vicious venoms all together for ttk?

[marble hemlock]

you forgot one

the backflip enjoyers

[runic hinge]

that's me

[balmy condor]

okay

but tony is a boomer

so he falls under 1

[runic hinge]

also true

I didn't play rogue until DF tho, but i was nelf druid before

[grand trail]

whisp did look at that non leathality ST build

[wild spruce]

@balmy condor what buff do we gotta keep up now a days for ASSA any idea?

my buddy just mention something about buff uptime

[vivid stream]

how are ppl doin 1.5 mil dps on sikran mythic, just never doin the mechanic?

[coral ibex]

thats just something you can ask the channel you dont need to ping someone for that

and hes talking about your envenom buff uptime

which has been the playstyle for about 15 years

[balmy condor]

probably envenom yeah

[wild spruce]

do you stack them or when do you use it again?

[balmy condor]

depends if you're playing ttk or not

generally a good idea to just have as high of an uptime as possible

[acoustic roost]

Just spam bro. It’s more enjoyable 🙂

[coral ibex]

never get picked, get PI, good killtime

[balmy condor]

I only did 1.4m

[spice sentinel]

PI should be even worse now with TTK stacking yeah?

[balmy condor]

im shitter confirmed

[gleaming cedar]

new rogue player, so is outlaw any more "Frontloaded burst" than Sin?

[spice sentinel]

since we get max stacks faster

[balmy condor]

correct

[gleaming cedar]

What is the reason to pick outlaw over sin

[balmy condor]

outlaw is the opposite of burst

[gleaming cedar]

Oh

[balmy condor]

outlaw is flatter than taylor swift

you ever see a side profile of her

[coral ibex]

outlaw has smooth damage output that gets turbo griefed by downtime

[balmy condor]

she's built like a 2x4

[gleaming cedar]

As a Kanye fan thank you for saying it that way

[ashen inlet]

man thats just mean

[spice sentinel]

that pancake tho, just want to brunch all over her

[slate crown]

I'm sorry I don't understand can you pick a comparison I'm more likely to get?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

it's flatter than the left margin on a code block with no indents

[slate crown]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

damn

[gleaming cedar]

Ok but on the other question, whats reason to play Outlaw over Sin? Is there some kind of damgae profile benefit

[ashen inlet]

guys whats more goated crystal or spyglass

[balmy condor]

fun

[coral ibex]

outlaw is very high apm

[gleaming cedar]

Or some other thing I don't know about, im very new to rogue, mostly played sin

[balmy condor]

it's very spammy

all the ADHD riddled 12 year olds love outlaw

[gleaming cedar]

ah, and what about sub?

[balmy condor]

the fortnite to outlaw pipeline ya know

sub is big burst

90 second cooldowns

[gleaming cedar]

ah interesting

[prisma sundial]

sub does good single target on some of the fights becuase their cds lineup well

i think sin is more reliable if you dont wnana swap specs