assassination

[onyx musk]

siege isnt bad wym

[pseudo cosmos]

YOUR NEXT

[heavy elk]

The pain of finally getting a hero track skardyn's grace just for it to get outsimmed by the champion track transmitter i've had since week 1

[solar wyvern]

Wow that is very op

[merry bison]

transmitter is giga op but not usuable sometimes

let's say it like it's really unconventional to use

especially in big pulls and you need to soak a platform that is beneath 12 targets

[heavy elk]

ye i'm still gonna make the swap until myth track transmitter drops just for the QoL, but frankly after like a month of playing with transmitter I just don't really mind it anymore that much

esp after learning that the orb/portal always spawn to your right and slightly forward so you can predict roughly where it's going to be

[summer viper]

can someone help me out to figure out when to pick sudden demise and when to pick ttk?

[merry bison]

I'm bad in identifying pattern so I didn't even know that, thanks for that one brother

[novel star]

damage breakdown on the ttk build actually pisses me off

[old halo]

in higher keys when you start to not benifit from sudden demise

[wheat tiger]

Yea I agree. I just almost plan out a clean open place to drop it.

[novel star]

this game is so fucking bad

like

come on

[summer viper]

ty

[novel star]

spatter "nerf" -> new talents that make spatter even more degenerate

[wheat tiger]

High keys as in 10+

[novel star]

W shit

[wheat tiger]

?

[summer viper]

yeah im basically on 14ish rn

[old halo]

can make the swap then

[summer viper]

your answer was the same thing i thought, just wanted to get some different input if there is any other reason beside that

[humble verge]

quick question, is shadowmeld considered stealth?

[royal lantern]

no

[humble verge]

alright

[royal lantern]

shadowmeld is shadowmelded

which doesnt count as stealth

[humble verge]

reasonable

[royal lantern]

and

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

1% broodtiwster wipe

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[heavy elk]

Should be noted that in M+ if you aren't pulling a boss you can stealth out of Shadowmeld so it is basically a free vanish

But yea in raid or dungeon bosses shadowmeld is largely useless

[grim jay]

we are pulling brood without a bdk tank on my alli guild

[novel star]

im so upset

i missed an entire day of brood last week

raids getting cancelled is tilting as fuck

i want to learn

stop having lives!

[grim jay]

imagine

being sad about not doing that abomination

[novel star]

i like playing the game and learning and improving !

go ahead and cancel me liberal

[pallid whale]

with no deathmark am i kingsbane first or shiv first

[echo cargo]

get me ouuttttt

[novel star]

deathmark has nothing to do with it

if you have 1 charge of shiv

use it on the last 8s of kb

if you have 2 charges

use one charge before and the other for the last 8s

[crimson abyss]

Got lucky with timewalking and got a hero track wrathstone, is it a viable transmitter/skardyns replacement?

[coral ibex]

for hero track yes

[novel star]

sim it but yeah its quite good

[craggy crater]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tacit wedge]

am i just bad or does airborne irritant not hit multiple orbs for the affix?

[echo cargo]

It doesn't :(

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-raining-gif-17973911

[echo cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/love-note-drinking-while-driving-drink-gulp-gif-12604942

[coral ibex]

it does

but only if you target a real mob

[lucid silo]

for some reason without a trace sims really well in dslice

[echo cargo]

nothing is real :(

[glad osprey]

quick question

[subtle tundra]

sbs hybrid build has TTK or sudden demise/sanguine blades?

[glad osprey]

Is it better to envenom when you have full combo points (6) when death mark is active or is it better to do it at 5

[subtle tundra]

5+ all finishers except when you have darkest night

[tacit wedge]

sd/sb

[subtle tundra]

gaming

i think sbs is the play in arakara

[glad osprey]

so like is it worth doing just 5+ or attack again to get the full 7

before envenom

[subtle tundra]

so thats why im asking

[lucid silo]

is there a build that doesnt play sbs

[subtle tundra]

a lot

its a choice

im going sbs for ara kara cause there's a lot of smallies

so its easy resets on sbs

thats the thing when a spec has a lot of closely tuned talents

freedom of choice!

[azure flare]

Pretty much the build from last week

But honestly play whatever u want

And remember u dont need to take iron wire in every dung :)

[lucid silo]

lies

iron wire bis

[azure flare]

No

[lucid silo]

you will be an iron wire bot and you will like it

[azure flare]

Brah ok but

Iron wire in mist for example

Is basically useless for most of it lol

[lucid silo]

emotional support iron wire

[coral ibex]

no

[azure flare]

[coral ibex]

iron wire DR is always good

[azure flare]

Ur tank is already popping cds on those mobs

Ur not contributing as much as you think you are

[lucid silo]

or am i contributing more than i think i am?!

[azure flare]

!!!

[balmy condor]

True actually

[lucid silo]

energy bar half full kayu

[balmy condor]

But imagine if I did 40k dps more

[azure flare]

Counterargument if the mob dies faster you mitigate more dam

[balmy condor]

[latent bluff]

So Aoe Blind doesn't work for the affix but you can cleave them if you blind a mob? Or am I wrong

[balmy condor]

OR EVEN TEN

MAYBE FIVE

[coral ibex]

correct

[azure flare]

Yes

How r u whispyr

Ic ur mental has recovered

[tacit wedge]

i hate that

[balmy condor]

It has recovered

[azure flare]

Its stupid yeah

[balmy condor]

You are trying very hard to un-recover it though

But I’m vibing

[azure flare]

Damn i must try harder

[earnest remnant]

COMING THROUGH

time to ruin it

[azure flare]

Fuck em up

[lucid silo]

alright shadowrunner build time

[woven frost]

Is it normal for Mad Queen's to sim like dog shit. Trying to determine whether to use Skardyn's or Mad for raid

[royal lantern]

@grim jay holy shit the EU lag rn

[azure flare]

I dont think ud ever

Swap out skardyns for mad

[royal lantern]

you dont

[lucid silo]

mad queens mandate is a vibe tho

[royal lantern]

you swap the 2nd trinket with mandate

[quartz cobalt]

@balmy condor thoughts on people replacing bone spike with twist the knife in m+?

[balmy condor]

Yolo I guess

[humble verge]

im literally progging brood mythic now

[hazy horizon]

Why my st suck in m+ 😦

[humble verge]

jesus this is a horrible boss

[arctic socket]

If you want ttk just drop SD for it

[humble verge]

atleast CS is 1/3 my damage on adds lol

[arctic socket]

If you want MA just drop sanguine blades

Profit

[agile edge]

i have rly problem about my talents
if any can help
i dont know wich talent should i play
should i get iron wire or not

[tacit wedge]

@spice spire great news, i learned to count past the number that comes after 2, now I CT properly in ST :)

[arctic socket]

Drop kingsbane for iron wire

[vivid tundra]

can someone check my logs if im fucking something up, is 900k dps normal for hc ansurek at 620ilvl?

quite new to rogue

[spice spire]

Giga gamer

[humble verge]

goated answer

[tacit wedge]

Now should I int my grim batol key and run IB over Caustic

[tawny rapids]

Is there a rogue podcast somewhere I can listen to?

[spice spire]

dog

[kindred hinge]

Try a new challenge. The starter build run

[craggy crater]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[kindred hinge]

Let blizz decide what your talents will be

[tacit wedge]

no IC, no Kingsbane, only Arterial Precision

and fatebound

[kindred hinge]

Your key will deplete on first pack with people not losing not kicking and the tank failing to tank the drake at the right location so it doesn't matter !

No there is no personal experience over and over here

[tacit wedge]

we almost wiped on that, please leave my walls

[midnight atlas]

if feels smoother to tank with an assa rogue not only for the dr but for the silence.
dr is noticeable

especially for any other tank thats not a prot warr

[kindred hinge]

Remember to blind the adds on valiona for spicy deplete.

Actually never tried it with the affix I can't even imagine the shitshow it must be

[tacit wedge]

god gave me kidney shot for that

[royal python]

does dashing scoundrel give energy from the deadly poison dot crits or just the instant applications ?

[hushed eagle]

loosing deathmark on the target is still a thing right?

[midnight atlas]

can you vanish/meld the adds if they are on you to deplete even better?

[dapper fractal]

first boss in mist is it normal for ass to be liek under 1.4m dps there?

[kindred hinge]

Yes you can

[dapper fractal]

feels weird..

shammy blasting 2m peak and im at 1.2

[kindred hinge]

Depends the key level and if it is your job to pop the tree

[dapper fractal]

pop the tree?

what does that eman

meanm

[midnight atlas]

pop cds on the big friendly tree boss

[kindred hinge]

In 13+ if no one pop cds on tree you don't kill it fast enough. So if you are the volunteer you don't have the CDs for the amp damage

[tall atlas]

TT better than skardyns at the same ilvl

[dapper fractal]

i usualy save my deathmark/grace for the rampo

should i use it on the tree?

in 12

12 is what referin to

[midnight atlas]

depends on cd management of group.

[dapper fractal]

interesting..

[kindred hinge]

If the key you are doing the tree die without needing it no, usually you can kb and it is back up but depend on team tbh

[dapper fractal]

aha lright

ah*

[midnight atlas]

if you pug you can use omnicd and track other specs cds. and decide based on what they have

[flat orbit]

they were talking about adds that can't be silenced, if they can't be silenced they won't have DR either. It's placebo if you think it feels smoother

[dapper fractal]

my omni cd keeps turning itself off after the patch recentl for some reason

its so annoying

[kindred hinge]

But 1m2 in 12 on first boss with no cd holding feels a bit low yes

Sham blasting is a given on that boss

[azure flare]

1.2 is very low

[dapper fractal]

my aoe is on point but st im not good at

and the new tea usage i hate to

this my talents for m+

[azure flare]

tbh

[dapper fractal]

ive seen some rouges using bastion ability still but idk

[azure flare]

id swap to master assassin

for starters

[kindred hinge]

You may want to try the various MA variant and see if gameplay wise it fit you better

[dapper fractal]

what do i take away?

[humble verge]

sudden demise

f.exp

[azure flare]

sudden

[humble verge]

or sanguine

[kindred hinge]

Lots of options but the base is basically taking subterfuge and lethality in common rogue and roping supercharger and the heal from snd

[ancient pendant]

guys, which one is better: sudden demise or master assassin, sudden demise + ma but without TTK, TTK + MA without SD, or SD + TTK without MA?

[humble verge]

depends on your sim

[azure flare]

preference

[humble verge]

or that

[kindred hinge]

And the then you have like 4 5 variant taking MA with more of less st added in

[azure flare]

u can literally play either or

this is what im using rn with quite good success

[ancient pendant]

sudden demise is doing only 10% bleed damage on 13+ keys?

[kindred hinge]

One build take away sbs and doomblade' another take SD and or SB etc

[ancient pendant]

same

[shut leaf]

fatebound or deathstalker for st?

[azure flare]

death

[shut leaf]

in raids

[zealous wolf]

What keys?

[azure flare]

its mainly there for the 10% bleed yeah but can be more

[ancient pendant]

this one if i need silence

[azure flare]

11-12 rn

[ancient pendant]

my bad*

[azure flare]

i mean sudden demise does pop well even in 13+ cus of the 4 set

but idk i really like ma lol

[dapper fractal]

so this si better for 12s?

[azure flare]

and twist + ma feel really good for st

[ancient pendant]

yep

i think there are 2 builds right now

[dapper fractal]

out fo curious

[ancient pendant]

depends on your need for silence

[dapper fractal]

https://murlok.io/character/eu/kazzak/casualaddict/pve

why did that rouge choose those tlants? on right tree

[azure flare]

u have to ask him

[dapper fractal]

top rouge i think?

o

well its murlock io m+ tho

[azure flare]

unironically we cant answer that for you

[kindred hinge]

They all sim in similar range but MA currently is better. The actual build with MA varies with 4-5 interchangeable talents that slightly change gameplay

[azure flare]

but he streams a lot

so u can def ask him

he's chill

[ancient pendant]

i saw on his stream

that this is +- best sim build

[kindred hinge]

And no in M+ you take iron wire. Not taking it is trolling hard

[azure flare]

that's not true

[ancient pendant]

you don't need ironwire

in DB

[zealous wolf]

you can not take it in some keys if you play with a team

[azure flare]

^

[ancient pendant]

just kick mobs

[azure flare]

ironwire is fraude in some keys

[ancient pendant]

people need to learn how to use kicks

[dapper fractal]

can you link me this

[azure flare]

idk why ppl wanna afk on it like they're chickens

[dapper fractal]

talent loadout

[ancient pendant]

yep

1 sec

[dapper fractal]

tyy

[kindred hinge]

Most rogue will not play with a team. You don't look at edge case and make a generality. IW is the most powerful tool we bring in keyd

[ancient pendant]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMmZmZGmBAAAAAAYWmxsNDAAAAAAttMzM8AzMYmZWmtxMDmZMzgZmZbbZMDw2MLjNGzYWaMLLDT2GGWA

this one is for most keys i guess

[arctic socket]

Not taking iron wire because you’re saying use your kick is wild 😂

[azure flare]

no its not even that

[ancient pendant]

guys chill

[arctic socket]

Especially when it silences up to 6 mobs easily

[azure flare]

what nothingness is trying to say is that iron wire isnt good in every key

[ancient pendant]

100% need ironwire in Stonevault and Necrotic Wake

[azure flare]

silencing certain mobs doesnt do anything

[zealous wolf]

but i think casual also recommenda not taking ma/ttk in lower keys (lower than 14)

[azure flare]

and if it cant silence it doesnt dr either

[arctic socket]

Iron wire goes hard in GB

[royal lantern]

thats the most fried take in this discord of the week, congratz

[kindred hinge]

And IW not useful in DB ? Wtf.

[stuck berry]

for some reason using vanish don't trigger subterfuge, just indiscriminate carnage

[royal lantern]

lol

[ancient pendant]

IW is not silencing half of mobs

[flat orbit]

Ironwire in Mists is absolutely useless.

[kindred hinge]

'ever had tank doing plaza route?

[ancient pendant]

in DB

[royal lantern]

it still applies a DR aswell btw

[midnight atlas]

subterfuge is triggered after you leave stealth.

[flat orbit]

you don't even need a team to know ironwire in mist does nothing for you

[severe canyon]

I cant see how Master Assassin is useful at all? Like 1 ambush then what

[kindred hinge]

Or doing quadruple pull in church ?

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

[flat orbit]

NO. DR ONLY APPLIES WHEN IT CAN SILENCE

[limber lion]

Are you talking about the same thing?

[flat orbit]

IF THE MOB CANT BE SILENCED IT CANT DR

[zenith cedar]

the iron wire allegations are going to stick

[flat orbit]

HOLY F

[ancient pendant]

zerocool boys

he is talking facts

[severe canyon]

the talent literally says your next ambush will crit

[flat orbit]

just read your talents

[zenith cedar]

what does master assasin have to do with ambush bruh

[azure flare]

based af

[zenith cedar]

crit == good

[ancient pendant]

guys just chill, you can take iron wire if you want

[azure flare]

[ancient pendant]

but in GB, SV, NW its 100% must have talent

[azure flare]

I mean Aira is right tho

[limber lion]

It does not

[azure flare]

ppl read the guide and dont read their talents

[azure flare]

and think ironwire just perma DR's lol

[autumn rover]

whats better a second 636 weapon or a different gear slot

[severe canyon]

mine says 6

[stuck berry]

for some reason, i use vanish to apply deathstalker's mark and my stealth bar didn't show up, i can't reapply deathstalker's mark during combat

[ancient pendant]

in NW and SV i'm 100% taking double vanish, cuz people can do some mistakes

[zenith cedar]

probably not worth crafting 2nd weapon but sim it

[limber lion]

Yes you don't have Subterfuge

[azure flare]

usually different but sim it

[limber lion]

Where dose it say your next Ambush will crit?

Nowhere

[severe canyon]

the only ability you press while stealth is ambush

[kindred hinge]

Pull 2 + two big boys. Most of the labyrinth has a nich use. The rest alright.

[azure flare]

...

dude the crit

applies to everything

[limber lion]

Brother

[azure flare]

your poisons, bleed

etc etc

[coral ibex]

are you ok?

[azure flare]

like lol

People really not reading tooltips properly

where in the f do u just think crit applies to one ambush

[jagged wasp]

hi does the Thistle tea macro works with KB aswell?

[azure flare]

yea

[midnight atlas]

did this happen once ? probably because of the lag. being in combat should have nothing to do with mark

[dapper fractal]

super charger is okay not to bring to?

[azure flare]

def

[tacit wedge]

interesting take

[azure flare]

super charger is w/e in keys

most people dump it

[dapper fractal]

i guess ass rouge gets to press less buttons now lol

[azure flare]

i mean yes and no

we are a lot more spammy now

than before

[dapper fractal]

o

rotation changed?

noo

[azure flare]

less different buttons but not less apm

[kindred hinge]

Between the MA only applies to ambush and the don't take IW in keys, wild takes after wild takes in less than 5 min

[stuck berry]

happened about 3 times

[flat orbit]

Ok but you clearly didn't read what nothingness said or are making up a narrative to feel better about your take

He specifically mentioned that you don't need it in every key

which is true

not that you should delete the talent out of your mind

[tacit wedge]

the key was going so well i was tempted to do that

[agile locust]

How are most people applying deathstalkers mark on a new pack in M+?

[azure flare]

first pack ambush, everything else envenom

[flat orbit]

^

Unless you lose darkest night buff ofc

[azure flare]

Yeah

[agile locust]

With envenom, has to be with 7 cp if darkest night buff has dropped off?

[azure flare]

yup

[agile locust]

Ok 👍

[azure flare]

which in m+ is pretty easy to achieve

[kindred hinge]

No I read and his take is take in 3. Which is bs. The only one where alright you can drop it is mist because there is only 2 pulls that really matter. All the others ? Ah ! And his DB take clearly shows he has not done some of the route variation where you play the caster packs.

[flat orbit]

Ok but then we are at least agreeing with each other that taking ironwire in mists is basically trolling

[agile locust]

If you just used Ambush on every pack is the dps loss big?

[azure flare]

idk lol

probably

its def not efficient

you could be spending one less global dotting things up

[limber lion]

Not big but just not worth it

[azure flare]

the faster u can go into your caustic window

the better

and starting a caustic window with a crit envenom is hot

[kindred hinge]

Nope. I said it is alright to drop it but still pull2 is much safer.

You gain nothing to drop it and you risk much more. It's not like there is a talent that we cannot take if We take IW that will break or make a key

[agile locust]

Do you apply bleeds first on a new pack or get DSM up first?

[kindred hinge]

Between gaining .4% DPS and utility , utility will time more keys than insignificant augmentation of dpd

[flat orbit]

you can gain several talents depending on your build variation of MA for dropping ironwire, in my build I'd gain sudden demise back. Pull 2 is the easiest pull in that dung, you don't need ironwire for it and no one takes a rogue to ironwire pull 2 to begin with. You can redistribute your talents and make EVERY pull past pull 2 a lot safer

over trying to be safe in a single pull

You are not bringing any utility in mist with ironwire past pull 2

so bring something else that will make the dung overall easier

[pseudo osprey]

For PVE should i have a certain amount of haste or do i go as hard into Mastery and Crit as possible

[azure flare]

no certain amount

just sim your stuff

[pseudo osprey]

never used Sim no idea how to use <.<

[azure flare]

raidbots.com

its pretty ez

[kindred hinge]

Please tell me how pull 2 is the safest when you have the brambles X2 two caster and two tank buster debuff at the same time.

And no dropping it will be marginal DPS gain again it'swill not make your dungeon easier.

[azure flare]

try it out and if u have questions u can ask

[pseudo osprey]

[flat orbit]

compare it to literally every pull with 2x guardians, 2x dogs or any big pull after 2nd boss

and tell me pull 2 is not the easiest

[azure flare]

i mean ngl lol

pull 2 mists is legit w/e lol

[pseudo osprey]

^Cuz my staats are way out of wack

[vital crown]

which is the better crafted weapon for rogue is it the stiletto or the stabber?

[azure flare]

ur kind of capping if you think its hard, the 2 guardians before the first boss are arguably harder

[azure flare]

the one with agility bro

[vital crown]

theres 2

with agility

[azure flare]

then it doesnt matter

[midnight atlas]

stiletto is not great. get stabber

[azure flare]

take the one without embelishment on it

[kindred hinge]

Guardian don't make your heal move every second while your tank is under debuff and the caster are depacked. Depending on your burst guardian are also not bursting your group while still applying bramble.

[verbal tusk]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith cedar]

just never drop iron wire u are not cooking u are not a chef please do not drop iron wire

[kindred hinge]

Guardian just need your tank to pop cd at pull and /or have external cds

[flat orbit]

guardians are destroying your tank man

u want them to die faster

not apply a debuff that doesnt affect them lol

[zenith cedar]

ask ur tank what pull is the hardest and i guarantee they are gonna say x2 guardian pack or a double pull inside the maze thru the wall

this is a real small brain +10 weekly no leaver take fr

[flat orbit]

^ ^^

[azure flare]

I mean you guys r digging way too deep into this

[kindred hinge]

Ask your heal which one is hardest you will be surprised

[azure flare]

ass talents are all so good that u can play whatever u want

[midnight atlas]

imagine cooking for mists

[azure flare]

nah I agree with him, tanks really hate 2x guardian

like really

[zenith cedar]

brother resto shaman aint struggling to heal the x2 groundbreaker pull unless ur DPS are stupid and stagger their AOEs

have u heard of our lord and savior SLT

[kindred hinge]

No denying. Ask your heal which one is the easiest to heal you will have a different answer

[zenith cedar]

the healer literally is not the one to wor ry about

[azure flare]

myast bro

not a good take

[zenith cedar]

you are misunderstanding the bottleneck of keys in this season and that is your tank staying alive

[azure flare]

yeah exactly

[zenith cedar]

there is hardly anything that actually heal checks resto shaman and it is DEFINITELY not the 2nd pull of mists

[azure flare]

your healer pumping 5mil lhps won't prevent your tank dying to 2x hits in 0.2 seconds

[hallow pelican]

@novel star so there was a small update which is why the variance on those belts was so large. Its still 30k on one item which i dont get but w/e

[kindred hinge]

Mate you gaining a 0.4% DPS gain will not either.

[azure flare]

I'm not even arguing it

[zenith cedar]

also, ironwire is very good in mists ... the ent ire maze has must-kick casts, the entire second to third boss trash has value for ironwire because you will have less poisons going out

[azure flare]

but let's not make up numbers either

[zenith cedar]

if you really think ironwire is not good in mists you are delusional or just misinformed

[azure flare]

you can't silence those

[zenith cedar]

good to know

[azure flare]

they just cast through it

[tacit wedge]

I'd rather do a forti Grim Batol with 0 kick than tank those 2x guardians at the same time while they're raging

[azure flare]

so ironwire is not as good in mists as it is everywhere else

[azure flare]

LOL

for real

i tanked 2x guardian once at +12 on my bdk

and man

I never felt in danger so much

[zenith cedar]

not playing ironwire is just a grief if you are seriously considering that lmk ur characters name so i can blacklist u

[azure flare]

guardians are legit not ok

i still remember week 1 of the season walking up to guardians

and insta dying

[tacit wedge]

one of the rare pulls I dont feel immortal with Incarn

[cyan cipher]

How would one go about getting a log analyzed/looked at, and who would I ping/ask? Looking for some tips/feedback

[quaint depot]

Why does the bis list say to use 5 set? wouldnt another piece with crit/mastery be better?

or do we jsut want the little bit of vers from the chest?

[flat orbit]

you should blacklist kusshh

then again I don't think you'll ever be in his keys :V

[cold sparrow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[slate crown]

!bis doesn't really matter, just get ilvl

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[zenith cedar]

im not going to act like a nearly professional player doesn't know more than me. He is not taking the talent and his team has knowledge of it, it's not a decision made lightly and there is likely a good reason for it

[strange ferry]

the enemy buffs are showing up like this for some reason and blocking my debuffs, anyone know what causes this?

[zenith cedar]

but taking ironwire because "muh sim 30k higher without it" is generally a bad idea

[flat orbit]

It's the same reason we already told you and he does it with pugs my guy.

No one is saying to take ironwire cus your sims are higher

please stop making up a false narrative

[zenith cedar]

ok lets link ur io and not hide behind some guy better than you to support your argument

[flat orbit]

I argued that ironwire in MISTS is arguably a dead talent

oh here we go the io police

🗣️

[zenith cedar]

if youre not timing 13s i dont want to hear a word from you tbh

[azure flare]

what the fuk is going on lmfao

brother auto

calm ur ego

for a sec

no1 here cares what keys you time

[zenith cedar]

"casual did this" "kussh did that" who gives a fuck you are not them

[azure flare]

because half this discord can gap eachother if they legit play more

[zenith cedar]

they are optimizing for a different set of things than you are

[midnight atlas]

we should all have the personal rio in our description and legalize score/parse bullying.

[azure flare]

we should honestly

its such a dumb thing

we should embrace it

[flat orbit]

what are you yapping about

Read what im saying and stop making up narratives

[rose wharf]

Well with my tank i apprecciate it when an rogue silence the groups pre first boss so i can get them together more easily

[tough finch]

im still waiting for the io tbh

[rotund oak]

u can all together jump to the outlaw channel and continue there

this is sickening

[azure flare]

yeah

[vivid tundra]

anyone using mad queens mandate?
is it useful and when are u using it?
big mob low? boss low?

[zenith cedar]

if casual ran a 14 with a raid ST build does that mean it's viable and somethingh you should do?

[azure flare]

nah hate mad queens

[rotund oak]

i do on my mage,dont rly think its good for m+ though

[vivid tundra]

ye i see its in S tier and i cant think of a situation when its good

[flat orbit]

no and that's also not what I said, nor implied, nor mentioned in any form or capacity

[midnight atlas]

use it on cd, if you want to minmax killing mobs you can, but only if it syncs well, dont hold it

[flat orbit]

I only said that ironwire is arguably NOT a good talent in mists because it cant silence or DR anything past the first boss that will actually help your group

[vivid tundra]

then macroing it to deathmark, or even better kingsbane would be the way to go

[flat orbit]

Do not confuse it with anything else

[lavish panther]

hey dumb question but what is garrote "pandemic" I keep seeing it in here but can't find in talent tree or skills

[azure flare]

pandemic adds the remaining duration of your dots

onto your new dot

happens at the last 20%? of your dot

someone correct me there

essentially for us its 6 seconds left on garrote or ruptire

is safe to reapply your dot

[stray adder]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[cold sparrow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith cedar]

How much is that other talent you take instead of ironwire gonna help your group? Where’s the data? You’re feelscrafting

[azure flare]

30% there it is

[pseudo osprey]

nAnyone here using better blizz plates ?

[lavish panther]

is it a talent or is it just always on I'm not seeing it

[flat orbit]

its not feelscrafty, I can either take ironwire and help out my group for 2 pulls in the entire dung, or take sudden demise which will aid the group from start to finish

surely its common sense more than anything else to take the latter*?

[azure flare]

pandemic is always on

for every dot

in the game

[stray adder]

the only moment I'd take IW off is if my tank slept with my gf

[lavish panther]

got it. thank you!

[azure flare]

LOL

[azure flare]

wtf !

[flat orbit]

If Ironwire would DR without having the requirement to silence first before it could DR id never take it off in mists

but the fact it doesnt do anything on mobs that can't be silenced means its just there for fun

[rotund oak]

fun fact,pandemic was originally a warlock talent that introduced pandemic refresh on aff lock

[azure flare]

:o

rlly now

that's interesting

[rotund oak]

yeah

[azure flare]

was that in mop?

[rotund oak]

iirc it was earlier but not 100% sure

its been more than a decade

[azure flare]

i should login to cata classic

and check the talents

might be there

[rotund oak]

based take

[novel star]

ah i see

[royal lantern]

HOLY SHIT FUCK THIS BOSS

FINALLY

[stray adder]

W shit

[tacit wedge]

[radiant raven]

Hell yeah, nice work!

[hallow pelican]

30k less for an item with MORE stats (socket) still doesnt make sense but i'll leave it alone

[azure flare]

GZ man

[rotund oak]

gz habibi

[sullen steppe]

good envenom uptime for a dungeon? or isit a dungeon by dungeon thing

[rotund oak]

the more the better for sure but it can vary yeah

[quartz yoke]

so question is dracthyr a dps increase for sin? im trying to look on wow head and its not really saying the overall best

[rotund oak]

also for m+ ild be surprised if it were close to raid lvls uptime

[azure flare]

i think whispyr said dracthyr was middle of the pack

[waxen oyster]

its about equal value

[azure flare]

here it is

[waxen oyster]

as every other 1% stat race

[quartz yoke]

ah alright im currently night elf since most tanks dont understand how to let me restealth for pulls

[midnight atlas]

a gem is stronger that most racials.

[rotund oak]

u dont rly need restealths

[midnight atlas]

dps wise

[azure flare]

chainpulling is more dam than allowing a rogue to restealth tbh

[waxen oyster]

you just bitch

until they let you

[azure flare]

whisp already debunked this

with sims and everything

[waxen oyster]

chaining is better unless tank does 1% mob chain

[azure flare]

ud rather have your tank chainpull

yeah

[waxen oyster]

then hes straight trolling

[quartz yoke]

i mean sure

[azure flare]

1% chain u should flame him

like legit keyboard it up

[quartz yoke]

if the other dps are good

[midnight atlas]

i had a tank in a low that that tanked perfectly and apologized for not knowing how to tank with rogue at the end.
which one of you bullied the poor man?

[rotund oak]

no one cares about who does more dps,just time the key

if u seek validation through details

[azure flare]

^

[rotund oak]

there is srsly something wrong

[azure flare]

its just an ego thing

[waxen oyster]

idk why tanks chain at low hp

i dont do it when i tank

because i dont have cds

to do big dam

[quartz yoke]

i mean its less that and individually rupturing adds feels terrible for me

i do just fine dps regardless

[waxen oyster]

on next pack

[quartz yoke]

plus i have vanish and shadowmeld for 90% of chains

[rotund oak]

i personally destroy everyone in my whatever 10s-11s on my rat gnome and i still dont care to restealth

[azure flare]

feeling might be terrible but you're unironically doing more damage

[quartz yoke]

so it doesnt bother me

[azure flare]

so like its just a rogue thing

[crisp ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6APGyBwVYQ9nLrqR#fight=40&type=damage-done&source=57

[azure flare]

and u kind of signed up for it when u picked the class

[waxen oyster]

IC is such a crutch

[quartz yoke]

yea as i said i dont complain at the tanks

[crisp ibex]

How can he do that dmage with caustic spatter?

no one doing aoe in their raid?

[quartz yoke]

i just vibe it out

[azure flare]

nelf is rlly good tho

shadowmeld a bit less powerful this season

but u never know what next season might look like

if id min max racials, id minmax them for the value they bring outside of the stat bonuses

[waxen oyster]

dwarf>>>

[azure flare]

like dwarf racial etc

[waxen oyster]

perma useful

[azure flare]

yep

[rotund oak]

mechagnome

even more

[azure flare]

dwarf racial legit covers rogue's weakness to rot damage

[midnight atlas]

just play nelf, meld mechanics targetting you and deplete when your teammates are surprisepikachu face "why is that targetting me"

[zealous wolf]

i swapped from nelf to dwarf a day ago and i feel its much better

[azure flare]

looks like he gets free reign to aoe lol

[zealous wolf]

You can remove stuff like poison from last boss arakara, and not just using cloak

[crisp ibex]

242M to Blood Parasite

Lets fcking go

Keep traming

[azure flare]

thats the fucking dream

[waxen oyster]

I mean if your raid does less aoe

you do more spatter

[rotund oak]

dont rly need to be a nelf to do that,just tricks the other dps and watch it die

flame him afterwards

like a typical toxic m+ lord

[azure flare]

tricks the enhance shammy

[crisp ibex]

im doing 200m with full uptime of spatter

[azure flare]

he will love that

[crisp ibex]

he does 400+

[midnight atlas]

i swapped to blackjack cba, one less bind

[rotund oak]

😂

[crisp ibex]

So gl to have a decent log with assa on that boss

if ppl delete adds

[subtle tundra]

thats kind of the thing with these bosses, there will always be people who get free pad

[waxen oyster]

congrats

to any boss with aoe

[subtle tundra]

same as rashanan

[waxen oyster]

this your first tier?

[subtle tundra]

ill never be able to parse on that

[azure flare]

speaking of rashan

did they put back in

the add damage?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[waxen oyster]

ye

[azure flare]

HAH

here we go

finally a good thing they did

made no sense to remove shit u have to kill

[waxen oyster]

idk was weird

punishing warriors for the one thing they’re good at

[azure flare]

ppl were just super mad at warriors

yeah

[waxen oyster]

like fury has bad st

[subtle tundra]

gah damn i depleted a key to DAMAGE.

[waxen oyster]

so it was fine

[subtle tundra]

playing with aug is hard

its completely different

[rotund oak]

its cringe

F augs

[subtle tundra]

yep

[waxen oyster]

fuck aug

[azure flare]

hey

playing aug is kind of fun this expac

[waxen oyster]

3k aug with 50% prescience uptime

[limber lion]

I have still never played with a good warrior

[azure flare]

u get to drift

[waxen oyster]

boosted bonobo

[limber lion]

Idk what it is

They all suck

[subtle tundra]

we dont care about aug feelings

[azure flare]

all the good wars quit

[waxen oyster]

good dps warriors

are usually tenured members

[limber lion]

Just played with a 628 warrior

He did 1.1m dps

very cool

[waxen oyster]

or melee fotm raid buffs

[azure flare]

i mean tbh

[subtle tundra]

they are scared of using dps cds

[azure flare]

rn fury war

is in the gutter

[subtle tundra]

thats the only thing about fury

[azure flare]

dont expect much of them

[subtle tundra]

you have to use cds on cd

its like outlaw

[waxen oyster]

most good wars play prot in keys rn

[limber lion]

gutter or not, 628 ilvl resto paladin does more than 1.1m dps

[waxen oyster]

from what i see

[subtle tundra]

but outlaw is intuitive to

[limber lion]

lol

[waxen oyster]

[azure flare]

resto paladin

fuck yeah

[limber lion]

but yeah

[rotund oak]

herad of the sun hpally

[limber lion]

idk maybe it's the casual life that is punishing me

[azure flare]

i mean fury war swapping to prot war

[rotund oak]

pumps

[azure flare]

would do more damage

lol

[limber lion]

assuming they knew how to play yeah

[waxen oyster]

i did 800k as prot at like

615?

xddd

[limber lion]

but if they do 1.1m dps as fury, don't have high hopes

[midnight atlas]

even pilav did some keys as prot lol

[subtle tundra]

pilav streams?

[midnight atlas]

no but i saw him online a few weeks ago and he was prot

[waxen oyster]

its weird seeing so many io monkey prots play swarmlord’s

[subtle tundra]

never stay in dornogal not in stealth

[waxen oyster]

when the tc has said multiple times

the trinket is bad

and prot doesnt need tank trinkets

[azure flare]

io peeps

rarely listen to tc

[subtle tundra]

as proven in here

[azure flare]

the top frost dks were using raid talents in m+

[strange python]

God double vanish discussion start of this expansion

Peak IO vs TC

[azure flare]

i mean yea

[waxen oyster]

pilav content is peak entertainment

glad hes back tbh

[azure flare]

even zerocool was using double vanish

and the whole discord imploded

WHY HE USE DOUBLEVANISH

TOP ROGUE USING DOUBLE VANISH

U GUYS SAY ITS BAD

zzz

[limber lion]

I mean, not "even zerocool"

it was just him

and then it snowballed into shit

[azure flare]

thing is

[limber lion]

Similar to JPC saying that you shouldn't press Rupture in AoE as Sub

Which caused a shitstorm

And made him popular

[azure flare]

ppl think their lack of performance is due to their talent choices

[waxen oyster]

jpc convinced people deathly shadows outlaw

[limber lion]

Or stats

[waxen oyster]

was good

[azure flare]

ppl can perform by doing w/e if they're good

[iron prism]

Wow head mythic spec the move for farming 10s?

[azure flare]

and a lot of ppl dont wanna face the reality

that they're not good

[subtle tundra]

thank god i was an assa gamer

[limber lion]

Honestly play Subterfuge + MA

[rotund oak]

that was veyr weird back then,guy was saying to everyone they are doing drugs

[waxen oyster]

should have seen guy get heated

[zenith cedar]

Having no energy feels even worse xD

[waxen oyster]

in the mfd vs deeper strata argument

of bfa

[subtle tundra]

no keybind > keybind

[south token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight atlas]

2x vanish should be baseline so we get rid of this shit

[waxen oyster]

that was when guy had passionate takes

[subtle tundra]

yes mfd was better i liked mfd on assa

[waxen oyster]

they’re alot more tame now

except when its dust sub

[rotund oak]

mfd

[subtle tundra]

mouseover mfd sniping...

[pallid quarry]

Hello, I did read about the tricks WA earlier, where can I find that?

[limber lion]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[limber lion]

mfd was goated

[rotund oak]

ye..

[pallid quarry]

ty ❤️

[waxen oyster]

the argument was mfd was better

even if you could snipe 0 resets

[rotund oak]

yeah it simmed like half % more

[waxen oyster]

also

[rotund oak]

coz cdr

[waxen oyster]

bote vs focusing iris major

debate

[subtle tundra]

iris op

i liked bote

but i was assa so bote was the play

[rotund oak]

bote was about the same dmg in aoe better st

[waxen oyster]

if you could get reset

it edged way ahead

[rotund oak]

yup

[midnight atlas]

if we talk about nostalgia spells i miss exanguinate for pvp

[rotund oak]

exsang

[midnight atlas]

if was very anti-noob spell

[rotund oak]

yeah so fun

[waxen oyster]

did exsang have relevance in pvp

besides sl s3 meme

[rotund oak]

yeah for a while

[waxen oyster]

the biggest clown hour of sl pvp to me was

[midnight atlas]

in shadowlands with the 100% crit while stealthed leggo, put bleeds, exang dm vanish watch them die in 2s struggling to heal

[waxen oyster]

keefers skyreach+dance of chiji proc

with alpha tiger

[rotund oak]

yeah u could snipe anyone,even kill couple of dudes alone if they werent prep'd to trade cds/pots

it was rly fun

[waxen oyster]

yeah i dont remember this in real brackets

there was a brief sepculcher s3 meme

with sepsis

because rsham didnt have poison dispel

[zenith cedar]

There was the pikaboo one shot macro then too

Good times

[rotund oak]

pikaboo

💀

[midnight atlas]

i dont play pvp in real brackets anyway, can't keep up with people that played pvp everyday for 15 years

[kindred hinge]

Mfd mouseover + in .0.5 the SBS mouse over that was hectic on packs but damn that was fun

[midnight atlas]

i need oneshot cheese strats

[stray adder]

based

[gilded wasp]

Is there a way to use ambush instead of mutilate when you are on subtefure (using same bind) ? i had another question , why do we have to use only two garrotes and two ruptures ? You shouldn't apply rupture on the max possible target ?

same for garrote

[rotund oak]

sub deathstalker,play isolate behind a mage's wall,duel when the wall drops

nothing survives

[subtle tundra]

bleeds do low dmg
game bad

[gilded wasp]

so we just apply them for energy

[subtle tundra]

its more worth to go for envenom spatter

[waxen oyster]

the eu sub ww memes

[zenith cedar]

Bleeds are for energy not damage

[subtle tundra]

garrotes are only worth in IC

[waxen oyster]

where guy played ma venthyr

[gilded wasp]

IC ?

[subtle tundra]

and ruptures for scent of blood

[waxen oyster]

and just kidney dueled someone

[subtle tundra]

carnage

[waxen oyster]

while his ww dumped a sck proc to aoe into duel

[rotund oak]

😂

yup

[gilded wasp]

Okok , thank you , and what about the macro for Ambush / mutilate on subterfuge ? Do you have any one ?

[rotund oak]

that was cheesy af

[waxen oyster]

psure

howton played that

to r1

[subtle tundra]

you dont want to ambush in subterfuge

[midnight atlas]

only if your darkest night dropped

[gilded wasp]

Oh ok , it says use ambush instead of mutilateif you can on wowhead

[waxen oyster]

no idea why they dubbed sub enh as piss cleave

[gilded wasp]

or maybe i should read it again

[stray adder]

for the last part of your question

[rotund oak]

coz u piss on everything,its technically a scooby doo

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean there was that one df season

where enh fr just

oneshot anyone

[gilded wasp]

Thanks ! but i was asking why we don't use more rupture to apply it on maximum possible target

[kindred hinge]

!ic

[stray adder]

mostly for energy, once you have 5 bleeds out, your focus become caustic spatter

[kindred hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[subtle tundra]

maybe its worth but it can happen that you proc Darkest Night, then you use ambush and fuck yourself over
just press mutilate

[royal lantern]

@subtle tundra allright, how insane with kyveza make me

[subtle tundra]

what

english pls

[keen spruce]

how insane *will kyveza make him

[waxen oyster]

or this

[subtle tundra]

oh

none at all
chill fight
you learn p1 and then its just the same 2 more times
everything is scripted

[royal lantern]

nexuss princess

how oof

[balmy condor]

incredibly payphone if you cloak charges

[subtle tundra]

ok buddy

[balmy condor]

slightly less payphone if you don't

[subtle tundra]

dont give bad advice for prog

[balmy condor]

it's not even bad advice

[waxen oyster]

is cloaking charge bad

[subtle tundra]

not having cloak for intermission is

[waxen oyster]

thought its good

[subtle tundra]

for prog

sake

[royal lantern]

wait, arent you supposed to save cloak for intermission

[waxen oyster]

i mean you also dont shoot out orbs

[royal lantern]

and use feint for charges

[subtle tundra]

if you care about your dps on meter and wanting to be first

sure

go ahead

[balmy condor]

I mean the only reason rwf wasn't cloaking charges was because it didn't work until after they killed it lmao

[subtle tundra]

but my priority is clearing the raid

[keen spruce]

just dodge in intermission

[quiet oar]

I used cloak for the last regicides

[dusty phoenix]

Cloak charge feint Intermission.. u take 0 dmg with feint

[subtle tundra]

some better dps wont save any wipe
not killing people by mistake will save wipe

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean you either feint/evasion the charge

or you feint/evasion the intermission

[subtle tundra]

thats my mentality

[dusty phoenix]

Cloak on Charge is just better because of dps uptime and 0 balls

[waxen oyster]

Yeah personally

[subtle tundra]

yea but imagine if you read what i said

[waxen oyster]

charge feels like it hurts more

than blaze lines

[subtle tundra]

its not about you

you dying

its about others

dying to your line

[dusty phoenix]

Then your positioning is fked

Idk bro

[waxen oyster]

i mean you shouldnt be wiggling your line

no?

[dusty phoenix]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

ok

[waxen oyster]

thats just a huge nono

[subtle tundra]

im cutting my balls off

whatever

[keen spruce]

it gets very hairy

in intermission

lines are gonna move

[digital venture]

Anyone has a macro that does not allow you to spam both charges of feint but still lets you spam the keybind?

[subtle tundra]

i dont agree with selfish play

[waxen oyster]

yeah naturally

[subtle tundra]

but you guys do

so ok

[dusty phoenix]

Its not selfish tho

[waxen oyster]

I’ve also seen people

[dusty phoenix]

The debuff from Charge is insanw

[waxen oyster]

die to balls

alot

[royal lantern]

it has a gcd, you cant spamm it 2x in a row

[dusty phoenix]

Also

[balmy condor]

?????

[dusty phoenix]

U need to squeeze dps

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

take this and change to feint

[keen spruce]

does it tho

[royal lantern]

hit feint and look at it, it has a ~ 0,5sec lockout

[dusty phoenix]

Idk how far u r into Princess but

[subtle tundra]

no you dont

[dusty phoenix]

Once u die to enrage

[keen spruce]

oh ye

not THE gcd

but A gcd

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

[digital venture]

last patched changed, it's off the gcd now

[balmy condor]

still can spam it though

it has an internal cd still

[royal lantern]

if you spamm the key so much that you use 2 charges, idc

[subtle tundra]

killed it like 3 weeks ago

[royal lantern]

varas has CE mate lol

[digital venture]

I tried that and it doesn't work 🙈

[dusty phoenix]

Ok Well still i woudlnt agree cloaking charges is selfish

[waxen oyster]

ngl if im not topped and get charged

i feel im gonna die

[subtle tundra]

idk if you have problems with dps RN

[dusty phoenix]

For US dps was very tight

[subtle tundra]

LOL

we 5 healed it 3 weeks ago

[waxen oyster]

even with elu

[balmy condor]

5 healing on prog gets tight

[keen spruce]

i mean any guild that's just getting to it is probably still gonna have dps problems

[royal lantern]

ye we are 5 healing

[dusty phoenix]

We killed last sec

[keen spruce]

it might not be THE problem

but it'll be A problem

[royal lantern]

the bi-weekly 2% buff allready kinda helps there tbh

[keen spruce]

tru tru

oh about that actually

since I missed a week or two

if I clear heroic

[royal lantern]

yes there is "catchup"

[keen spruce]

can i get more from normal?

[royal lantern]

you cant fall behind

you can just loot unti you catched up

[keen spruce]

oh even on like loot locked bosses?

do i have to go do like fkin lfr

[waxen oyster]

ngl

I’ve seen more people die to bullet hell orbs

than intermission

[glass lagoon]

Guys, do you usually apply 4 of the poisons? Or I'm doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

in our prog it's mostly bad charges/orb deaths

[balmy condor]

yep

[dusty phoenix]

Normally if u Position orb Pop correctly it never Hits

[waxen oyster]

well charge placement is

most of the learning curve no?

[dusty phoenix]

On the middle of the outside lines

[waxen oyster]

thats what it feels like

[bright violet]

On crafted wrist what stats am i putting on them

Crit/mastery?

[balmy condor]

sure yeah

[royal python]

do deadly poison ticks give energy via dashing scoundrel, or just instant applications ?

[balmy condor]

applications

[dusty phoenix]

Do u guys ever put Bleeds on the Bigger adds on brood?

[balmy condor]

no

but it's probably fine to

[dusty phoenix]

Just started it today

[quiet oar]

no

You just cleave with spatter and tempest

[dusty phoenix]

So u just tempest and funnel spatter?

Ok

[quiet oar]

Yeah basically

[urban lily]

i heard there was a tank shortage

doesnt seem like it

[hoary apex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lunar berry]

Howdy, if you play Death stalker. When do you press coldblood if iyou also have kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

what

you would press cold blood on non-darkest night envenoms