assassination

[twin plume]

glad to see you've recovered whisp

[sullen steppe]

Why is it sometimes after I apply my first rupture from stealth after ambush/garrote I get max CP and sometimes I don't?

[balmy condor]

they're high

I'm getting it fixed atm

[peak saffron]

thank you

[twin plume]

bone spike

[sullen steppe]

ah excellent tyvm

[sullen steppe]

so i should make a note if i have a spike available then i'll always get max cp returned after my 1st rupture?

[balmy condor]

[gloomy hinge]

how do i get this debuff to go way from target dummies?

i want to reset my target dummies to practice rotation

[balmy condor]

run away

very far

[gloomy hinge]

oh god, is that really the only way?

[keen spruce]

[gloomy hinge]

awful...

[solar orbit]

BRUH blind doesn't interrupt orbs in aoe?

[balmy condor]

only if you blind a mob

[solar orbit]

I've been wasting my blind stupidly

[fleet seal]

im kinda lost

why we take subterfuge

[spice surge]

They changed it

So now it adds +3 seconds to MA, IC and improved garrote

per point

Instead of doing nothing

[fleet seal]

thx

[burnt turret]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[dreamy elk]

Having this issue where I'm getting double numbers appearing on my debuffs. Using Whispyr's plater. Any idea what addon(s)/settings I need to tweak to make it so that only one number shows up for duration?

[daring hamlet]

is this just like the big organized gruop, "shaman gonna carry dmg anyway, so ill just go giga utilty" build?

[quiet sinew]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[normal mist]

If you're going subter, go MA too

[daring hamlet]

was just lookin at what al lthe big rogues in M+ were goin

not my build

[normal mist]

There are like 3 builds you can go, and copying the big big top dogs isn't a good idea

[daring hamlet]

well they're kinda my peers tbh, in terms of io

was just curious cause i hadn't been around for keys much since the patch

[turbid ridge]

Is it worth crafting a 636 weapon?

[lucid silo]

without a trace feels really good in some of these keys

[normal mist]

Which ones

[lucid silo]

anything with a lot of annoying casters

[normal mist]

If you don't have a 639 yet, yes

[normal mist]

In like 12s?

[lucid silo]

i was doing 11s

[turbid ridge]

Yeah, max daggers I have are both 619

[normal mist]

Fair, at least up to 10, subterfuge actually carries on that front, I don't really need another vanish

[normal mist]

Then it's your best upgrade by far

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[turbid ridge]

Ok, will go and craft one :)

[lucid silo]

dont make me run ocarina and gear-a-rang

[normal mist]

You can actually sim it

[real granite]

deactivate blizzard timing/numbers tick in the weakaura

[turbid ridge]

Oh, I didn't know I can do that. I'll go and do that rn

[normal mist]

In top gear you can add items with the ilvl, stats and emb you want

[acoustic jackal]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[turbid crest]

Overall of 13 boralus

How is look ?

please

[coral ibex]

looks good, nice envenom uptime

[turbid crest]

bcs overall looks like that

pb is i have no trinket use

so maybe i reach 1.7 with ?

Idk what the really gain on M+ overall

with the trinket skarn

bcs i cannot burst well

[blazing pumice]

you have a 2 min major cd

[turbid crest]

y but bursting with -7000 maestery

that u could

its bit cringe

[waxen oyster]

you have ct below rupture

[turbid crest]

is it bad ?

on hight key ?

[waxen oyster]

CT kinda does

way more

[coral ibex]

CT should be your highest bleed

or close to garrote

[turbid crest]

i was like

wanna do ST dmg

funnel

so i didnt press much crimson

[hardy pawn]

Is Tricks of the Trade still needed for keys these days?

[turbid crest]

y

[waxen oyster]

CT is still your biggest bleed on st

with higher target counts

[balmy condor]

yeh

any time there are 2 enemies

crimson tempest is a single target gain

[spice surge]

Not really, blackjack is kinda niche as well though

Pick whatever you prefer

[spice surge]

The cheeky CT on the affix orbs to get a +100% dmg CT on the boss maneuver is something im fond of

[ebon prism]

What about first boss mists where boss gets damage reduction? Still good due to energy regen?

[ebon prism]

Ooooh

[balmy condor]

CT doesn't give energy regen

[ebon prism]

Oh

[balmy condor]

but if you can hit 2 targets

it's better single target

[ebon prism]

Oooo

[turbid crest]

from what ?

there is a passif or ?

[balmy condor]

what do you mean

[turbid crest]

yu said CT is best for ST too

what do u gain from CT on ST on dmg

?

[turbid crest]

ho

teah so passif

ty whyspyur

in that case

[balmy condor]

it's literally just how CT works

[turbid crest]

what do u think

refresh mark before rupture

bcs 7 sec of caustic

or rupture ionto mark

[balmy condor]

mark

[turbid crest]

y tgats whats i think

thank you

[upbeat shuttle]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[primal yoke]

havent played rogue in a hot minute, didnt realize Tea auto triggers below 30 energy now

was losing my mind trying to figure out where my charges were going

[turbid crest]

btw do we have to delay some cast

for not proc tea

or ?

[lucid silo]

i think its in the pins

tldr its like not worth playing around imo

[agile mason]

is improved ambush an option if we are going subterfuge for the m+ build?

[balmy condor]

probably not

but it's very minor

[upbeat shuttle]

when the pins say "pooling" is dead and to maintain the envenom buff, what does that mean? Is that to just send a low CP envenom in opener to get the envenom buff or is that referring to pooling energy

sorry been awhile since ive played my rogue and getting back into it

[turbid crest]

taking care more of CT

should looks like that ?

[glad osprey]

Is regicide still the best weapon currently?

[balmy condor]

pooling energy, you always want to use 5cp on every finisher

[upbeat shuttle]

ok thank you whispyr ❤️

[balmy condor]

any myth track dagger is the best

the stats on your weapon don't matter

[glad osprey]

yeah i got heroic regicide and blood kissed whatever but if i manage to get a mythic one i guess ill replace

[fringe perch]

sim it

[upbeat shuttle]

the more i read into different situations the more im like.... i gotta read more xD

[coral ibex]

accidentally joined an OCE group for BRD... idk how anyone can play with ping this high regularly

[fringe perch]

i guess its not as bad for me because i grew up playing US realms before they released OCE ping but i guess just skill issue

[timber meadow]

anyone here decent at looking at logs? trying to just figure out what pulled the lavabenders on 3rd boss and cant really tell

[coral ibex]

i usually play with 20 ping so its was very noticeable

20 vs 200

[blazing pumice]

there's a reason that the oce guilds became super competitive after we got our own servers

[static glacier]

real question is does it matter?

[blazing pumice]

for sina nd casters it's not too bad, for outlaw it's unplayable

[upbeat shuttle]

does anyone know in the addon plater where to add or remove certain debuffs? RN mine is showing WAY too many debuffs i dont care about and its making it hard to track anything

[timber meadow]

yeah curiosity is a real thing

[gray marsh]

if im gearing a new ass, and my lowest piece is a dagger, is it dumb to double craft daggers?

[static glacier]

just watch the replay on logs

zoom in

and see who goes close to them

[balmy condor]

should only craft 1

[upbeat shuttle]

ah spell list i think i found it

[blazing pumice]

you should recraft your dagger so you get free upgrades on your offhand 😛

[gray marsh]

are crafted daggers worse than heroic daggers if it's a 2nd? I'm sitting on a veteran 606 dagger atm and have like 180 gilded and all 615+ gear

[blazing pumice]

2nd dagger is not that important

[drowsy hatch]

its more that the OH is worth a lot less

[balmy condor]

offhands just suck

[gray marsh]

oooh

didnt realize that

so my 619 crafted dagger it would just be better to send it up to 636 and my embellished boots to 636 as well?

[balmy condor]

yeah sounds good

[gray marsh]

okay awesome, tysm 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[drowsy grail]

Hows the 5% crit nerf gonna effect the overall damage in single target?

[balmy condor]

pins

[coral ibex]

check the pins

[drowsy grail]

ty

[static glacier]

it's not a nerf if you don't spec master assassin

[balmy condor]

H U H

why wouldn't you

[drowsy grail]

I love master assassin lmao

[static glacier]

xd

[drowsy hatch]

well its a self nerf to not spec ma haha

[balmy condor]

some people are into that I guess

who am I to judge

[static glacier]

bro

y'know what else is a self nerf

[coral ibex]

yea just like some people are into getting 1 more vanish per dungeon

[indigo leaf]

i was really bored and i can now proudly say that after 1 and a half hours of typing, ive managed to teach chatgpt the rotation of assassination rogue

[balmy condor]

so you just got too much time on your hands or what

[coral ibex]

ask chatgpt if it is a fan of the auto tea change

[agile locust]

Shivz plater profile is good

[indigo leaf]

[static glacier]

dw this is the guy who spent fifty years optimising sin rogue

[upbeat shuttle]

im using a plater profile coded for mythics etc rn that i like. was just curious where the options are to add or remove certain spell auras. Thought i had found it earlier but was wrong

[scarlet wyvern]

Hey peeps, is there anything I can do against the insane ST dps drop in bossfights(M+)? People always flame me for doing lesser dps than the Ret or Enh pumpers xD

[upbeat shuttle]

found it! ty

[patent snow]

Wow, Hekili really doesn't work right for this spec, does it?

[coral ibex]

hekili is ass

[drowsy grail]

No im ass

[scarlet wyvern]

hekili is fine

[gloomy hinge]

is there any new gear thats good for us in the new raid?

[coral ibex]

yea staring at an icon to figure out your next button press is fine

[mossy sundial]

How important is haste for us in ST? Sims keep pushing me to get more, which granted Im extermely low, ~4k , but crit/mast beats everything else in AoE by a country mile to the point sims dont even want me to have any haste in large aoe

[vagrant brook]

sim yourself and make raid and m+ loadouts

[patent snow]

Hekili wotks great for me. I just see if in my peripheral, i never look at it. It was great for outlaw last season, but it seems like it really has some problems with Assa priorities.

[drowsy grail]

Ive got 4800 haste and in single target it doesnt want me to take anymore but sims are always different for everyone.

[upbeat shuttle]

ahhhh DN is making a lot more sense to me now that i actually read the talent. Imagine that

[gloomy hinge]

aah yes. DN

Deeznutz

[oak tangle]

i've got 2200 haste and i dont notice it

[static glacier]

I think my alt got more loot in a day of raiding than my main has all season from mythic

we're reclearing up to princess

(all myth unless mentioned) socketed head, tier shoulders, boots, bow and leech hc track mandate

in a single day

[mystic hornet]

does anyone have any insight as to which trinket is better in aoe/m+? arakara sacbrood vs deadeye spyglass. or should i just go with the higher ilvl one?

[oak tangle]

spyglass

[gloomy hinge]

so nothing good from timewalking raid for ass?

[coral ibex]

sim has the best insight

[oak tangle]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[mystic hornet]

thanks guys!

[oak tangle]

they are about equal on ST, sacbrood falls off in aoe

[mossy sundial]

ilvl almost always

every good trinket combination for me is within 1-2% of each other in aoe

[oak tangle]

that's in 5 target

[vagrant brook]

bloodmallet rankings are always very sus to me

[oak tangle]

take em with a grain of salt for sure

[static glacier]

only caveat is spyglass proc needs ur target to live for a lil bit to get value

but it's not really an issue

[indigo leaf]

https://i.imgur.com/XJtUcxu.png

[hexed frost]

Wdym? Assa ST is still good in keys for boss fights. Are you using CDs and pots.

[hexed frost]

Ritual knife and skardyn mogs every other trinket combination on my sims

[oak tangle]

i filtered out some, cause the question was specific to ara kara

[vagrant brook]

my loadout rn is spyglass+skardyn's for st and skardyn's+egg for m+/silken court

[rotund oak]

10s range on my rogue yday,cant remember losing on a single boss fight to anyone outside some 630+ frost mage

and that wasnt by alot

[scarlet wyvern]

yes full CD and prepot but without aug i get around 600-800k

aoe i slap so hard but ST idk

in raid ST i am the best in my guild 1.5m

obv ST talents

[scarlet wyvern]

for me its Skardyn and Empowering Crystal

[hexed frost]

Hmmmm I usually stay in 900K-1.3M range

I guess something off with the rotation

[scarlet wyvern]

teach me sensei

[hexed frost]

It's the standard rotation in pins. Nothing special

[tardy echo]

so im seeing alot of assa rogues out perform outlaw and im just wondering why. Ive tried simming my character with basically bis pieces at my current ilvl but outlaw sims are almost 1200k while assa is like 850k. Changing secondary stats does do much, embelishments is a small gap basically everything done minmax i mihgt get a 950k sim. does that gap on a training post not matter because of the mechanics fucking outlaw with weird downtime?

[hexed frost]

Making sure to have deathmark cover full kingsbane, shiv cover the last 8 sec of kingsbane, and tea along with shiv.

Vanish in last 6 seconds of kingsbane/deathmark if running master assassination.

Keep up the envenom uptime.

Yada yada

[shell quail]

Is dungeon slice the right choice for simming aoe/m+ or is there a better option and I'm blind?

[hexed frost]

outlaw
Sims

Choose one

[hexed frost]

Dslice mostly yeah

[shell quail]

Cheers m8

[tardy echo]

wym choose one?

[hexed frost]

Outlaw is uptime dependent.

Apart from princess and third boss, I think everyboss has a downtime

Not to mention that 2 min CDs sync very well with some bosses

[brittle quail]

outlaw is the spec made for sim it is heaavily uptime dependent and get punished by downtime way more than any other spec

hitting sim with outlaw in real situation is reaally really hard

[tardy echo]

okay, so what are assas expected to sim at to be able to clear like high heroic maybe low mythic raids? 850k unbuffed seems a bit low?

[coral ibex]

its like a real chatter

https://tenor.com/view/simulations-just-like-the-simulations-harrisonfog-battlefront2remaster-discord-gif-16952806

[brittle quail]

i cleared heroiic with something like that i believe

[amber brook]

Do you guys get the subterfuge build from murlok? If so is there any links on the opener?

[tardy echo]

can you either link your logs or send me your character name so i can compare? im trying to figure out how well i can play my character and am struggling alot lol

[coral ibex]

i got the subt build by jackin around in the talent tree

you can swap the marked talents based on what you want

[open canyon]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[brittle quail]

after some playtesting i don't get how you can remove saanguine blade

[coral ibex]

i dont like having to avoid it in ST

[brittle quail]

in aoe its reaally good everytime i try a build withouut i feel it so much

[coral ibex]

the point of the TTK build is to juice your ST output in m+ so thats what i focus on

[brittle quail]

yeah me too x)

[coral ibex]

siege 10 with the build i linked

[brittle quail]

i understand and i'm probaably in low key to play that but i cant compete in overall with ttk build sanaguine is just that good

might probably not play for overall if i start pushing tho

[oak eagle]

!stealth

!restealth

[barren yarrow]

i need advice lol so how do you guys manage enchants if you follow the guide? do you just get two sets of weapons?

[hexed frost]

No sanguine?

[oak eagle]

i just go off of sims @barren yarrow

[barren yarrow]

true

[prisma sundial]

sub/MA feels so good

[vapid geode]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[ebon prism]

does that mean we would envenom with fewer than 5 cp if it's falling off?

[balmy condor]

hell to the no

[ebon prism]

oh

[vapid geode]

whispyr on your 2nd pooling video, you talk about doing a reset if envenom is falling and rupture is falling and you are low on energy. should i stil lbe doing a full reset before i start pressing envenom again

[balmy condor]

on my what video

[vapid geode]

pooling again,

[drowsy hatch]

Whispyr has a pool party video?

[balmy condor]

I haven't released a pooling video

in like

a year

[ebon prism]

it's more of like... a bath tub video

[drowsy hatch]

I'm in

[cerulean walrus]

Are you talking about his hot tub stream?

[coral ibex]

yea i got freaky with it

[karmic crystal]

casual recommends most people go watch it when they ask him in stream about pooling

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

that means u did earlier?

[balmy condor]

what the fuck

why would he do that

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

What stream?

[balmy condor]

aight well

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr’s hot tub stream

[vapid geode]

yei got it from casual LMAO

[balmy condor]

easy solution

I'm just gonna private those videos I guess

why are we watching 10.2 guides

hello

[rotund oak]

wait wait wait

onlyfans whispyr?

[balmy condor]

y'all are cooked for that ngl

[cerulean walrus]

Not y’all

Just that dude

[rotund oak]

[vapid geode]

i was desperate my st is so bad i was just feeding any info

[karmic crystal]

I mean I think he just doesnt want to explain it every five minutes but he says the basic concepts of it should still apply

[weary swallow]

Where is this hot tub video everyone is talking about?

[rotund oak]

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

I mean I get that

but sending people to a guide from legit 4 patches ago

ain't the move

[cerulean walrus]

A whole ass expansion ago

Mind you

[balmy condor]

I guess I'll record something tonight or tomorrow maybe

[karmic crystal]

You're the best FAQ link he has

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh

[ebon prism]

ooh a new hot tub video

thanks!

[balmy condor]

he's a good lad

[pliant coral]

am i supposed to be able to cloak blightbone breath (first boss in NW)? i just did and got 1-shot but it says it's nature damage

[balmy condor]

he asks questions and he's smart enough to think about things and I like the guy

[cerulean walrus]

Cloak last second of the puke

Or you die

[balmy condor]

casual is just genuinely a great guy

[pliant coral]

is there a reason why i have to do it last second?

[balmy condor]

and I get why he's sending them to that video

[cerulean walrus]

Or just feint and pray

[balmy condor]

but it ain't it

[balmy condor]

the first second of cloak is a super-immune

it doesn't work after that first second

[cerulean walrus]

Super legit super immunity tech

That sounds fake as fuck

But is real

[ebon prism]

HUH?

[balmy condor]

you can also evasion it

for some reason

[ebon prism]

HUH?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[pliant coral]

wat

[balmy condor]

blightborne knowledge check is real

[rotund oak]

[pliant coral]

is this specific to blightbone

[balmy condor]

no

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[balmy condor]

well

yes

but no

[pliant coral]

oh god

[cerulean walrus]

At least the evasion thing

[pliant coral]

lol

[cerulean walrus]

Lol

[ebon prism]

is evasion only super evasion in 1st second too?

[balmy condor]

the super-immune on cloak's first second is just a cloak thing

[cerulean walrus]

But yeah cloak is a super immunity for 1 second

[novel star]

no

[balmy condor]

it just happens to work on this

[novel star]

cloak working like this is in the tooltip

its just

[ebon prism]

also, do i have to evasion and cloak the fixate guy in stitchflesh room?

[novel star]

a really obtuse mechanic

and youd never know wtf the tooltip means

[ebon prism]

for the shared flesh killing hit at the end

[novel star]

without seeing it used

lmao

[pliant coral]

well ty for explaining!

[novel star]

but first sec cloak can also be used on sikran knock

[pliant coral]

i got to ruin our first 12 NW faceplanting 😭

[cerulean walrus]

Swirl the mojo until it crystallizes

[novel star]

rest of cloak doesnt work just the immunity part

game sux

[rotund oak]

yeah make it like vanish immunity

[cerulean walrus]

Wait what? Fuck man that’s some Sikran tech

[novel star]

Ye

[rotund oak]

u could cheese everything

[ebon prism]

yeah i cloaked the sikran knock

and it killed me

[novel star]

have to use first sec

you can early cloak uh

bloodbound nuke

[cerulean walrus]

Yep

[novel star]

but not sikran nuke

dont fucking ask why

just do it

[cerulean walrus]

Play cloak roulette

Truly learn what it means to fuck around and find out

[rotund oak]

outlaw is strong in this one

[pliant coral]

er so may i ask, like if i cloak last boss of mists blue swirlies, i'm not immune to them for the full 5 seconds? i'm only immune for the 1st second and then damage is reduced but not immuned?

[cerulean walrus]

No you’re immune to that

That’s the fun part

[pliant coral]

i feel like i've been treating it like a pally bubble not dying to things (until now) but maybe i've just been really lucky 😅

ty for explaining!! i appreciate it

i'm kinda sad it works this way but oh well

may i ask, is there a spreadsheet documenting all the funky cloak things kinda like how warriors have spell refle ct spread sheets flaoting around

[winged quail]

I mean it SHOULD work like a pally bubble on a lot of these mechanics it’s just stupidly inconsistent

[gusty fulcrum]

with skardyn's grace, do i just pop right before deathmark or is there anything fancy i need to do

[drowsy hatch]

can macro with deathmark or just at the same time

[gusty fulcrum]

word tks

[oak tangle]

is it the free clicks for you?

[balmy condor]

no

[strange python]

does this belt drop from grim batol? doesnt show up as a drop in the dungeon journal for me

[balmy condor]

that made it through editing AGAIN?

that's not a belt in the drop table

the bis lists are purely me finding the first leather drop that isn't infinite vers

but I've fixed that belt 4 times

[strange python]

oof

[balmy condor]

name a belt that drops from m+

[strange python]

i havent a clue

lmaoo

[balmy condor]

fuck

[balmy condor]

banger

consider it bis

[strange python]

dawnbreaker crit mastery ok ty, i appreciate it

[karmic crystal]

but the raid belt has more mastery!!!

[brittle quail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

yeah well, my overall bis list has a crafted belt

but they make me maintain 3 of these fucking stupid lists

[karmic crystal]

i dont even think there is a good raid belt i just said it to say it

[balmy condor]

[karmic crystal]

safe

[balmy condor]

I hate bis lists so much man

[strange python]

youre the best

[balmy condor]

I try

[obtuse robin]

how reliable is wowanylyzer for sin

[balmy condor]

idk

some guy started updating it

but I have no clue who he is or what he's done

probably not the most horrid thing known to mankind

but I wouldn't call it reliable

[ashen scroll]

hey, is there a bug with envenom? the i'll send a 5cp finisher and i get like 1-2s of envenom buff uptime. it happened a lot in the last boss i did

[balmy condor]

are you running twist the knife

[ashen scroll]

ya

[balmy condor]

sounds like the first stack is falling then

[ashen scroll]

sometimes i dont even get an envenom debuff

[silk bane]

theres a buf if firsst stac falls off it can drop 2nd stack yea

[indigo totem]

In the immortal words of @balmy condor, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I have nothing valuable to say other than this will always be funny. Thanks, dude. Keep up the good work, you've earned your blackout drunk. 🤘

[ashen scroll]

sickkkk.

it was always when i had 0 stacks, and tried to apply 1 stack

i'd get 2s max of 1 stack

and go back to 0 stacks

is there a fix for this bug?

its driving me crazyu

ig just dont drop 1 stack

unavoidable sometimes gg

[fringe edge]

sha of anger?

if I have to craft a dagger (dont have one yet for mh), what's the best embellishment for m+? elemental focusing?

[scenic kiln]

i think the embellishments are like within 0.2% of each other

or some shit like that

[spice spire]

Sounds right

[dim yacht]

how much vers you all running in high keys

ive found 13% to be a pretty good number. hurts the dps a little, but in 13s at least it stops a lot of things that would otherwise kill me

the amount of times ive found myself on sub 5% hp is crazy

[dreamy canyon]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[cobalt sphinx]

Idk if anyone is gearing vers for defence

[hallow pelican]

I know there’s no watermarks for our stats or anything… but I just simmed 2 belts, same ilvl, vers/mast with a socket , and a crit haste. Crit haste simmed 150k higher . Both same buffs both 5 min patchwerk

I do not understand that level of variation

[novel star]

that level of variation

is why stat prio is bad

not an example of the stat prio being incorrect

necessarily

its just

stats in general are bad

(there is actually prolly something wrong tho lmao i may have read 150k as 15k)

[hallow pelican]

That I understand… but 150 when “all our stats are good” is a lil bonkers to me. But I’m a shitty rogue and I don’t understand all the math

No… 150k

As in 1.32 mil vs 1.09 mil

[novel star]

there is probably something wrong with the sim

[hallow pelican]

I tried 3 times

[novel star]

link it

[hallow pelican]

You’re where I was a half hour ago while I triple checked

On my phone currently I’ll have to link tomorrow

I get it’s hard to believe. I’ll tag you. Maybe u can figure it out

[spiral basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

ik it's lizard dmg but NW seems like such a giga overall dungeon

[chilly mist]

that looks nice, depends on the group ofc. Yeah I really like nw too, only thing for me is last boss being a bit annoying with cds

[barren yarrow]

hey guys is there a way i can sim something to where itll show me which item would be most beneficial to upgrade?

cause i sim and it just shows me everything upgraded?

[tardy trench]

does bubble wax work in m+

[fervent relic]

you have to put every upgrade in the topgear sim, and then you have to look at all the combinations. But always Weapons and trinkets first

[silk bane]

DIDNT U QUIT?

ARE U ALSO BACK MR DUCK

[keen spruce]

I resubbed last sunday

I was free then blizz made assas good

and ruined my life

https://tenor.com/view/korysverse-koryverse-kermit-inject-gif-25294457

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-gif-21343121

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

gladge to have my favorite duck back

[distant plinth]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[distant plinth]

Do we just clip envenom at last sec as always with twist the knife?

[reef elbow]

how big are the "usual" packs pulld in M+ 10? how long do they "usualy" live?

[blazing pumice]

10 seconds to 2 min

for people who find m10 challenging, probably a minute

[reef elbow]

okey, and the "usual" pack size?

[barren island]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-1/11059464-15-siege-of-boralus

Interesting build casual is running

[blazing pumice]

5

but that varies anywhere from 1 to 20

[barren island]

Idk what he dropped to grab demise, hard to tell on cellphone

[cobalt sphinx]

master assassin

[pulsar elk]

what are the pandemic windows garrot, rupture, and CT?

[barren island]

That's weird

Wonder to see the reason

[blazing pumice]

pandemic is 33% of the duration

[cobalt sphinx]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[blazing pumice]

so it depends how many cps you used

30% w/e

[cobalt sphinx]

the empowering crystal is cool

i might run mine for a couple runs

[mossy flower]

Hey new here and learning assa atm. Im currently struggling to figure out whether to manually change targets to apply bleeds or just cleave caustic splatter and crimson tempest off of one target while blasting single target? Whats the optimal way to learn playing normally in M+?

[barren island]

Look at wowhead

[blazing pumice]

you keep 5 ruptures up

[mossy flower]

Trying to study the wowhead guide but guess I missed this particular point or maybe Im just overwhelmed. Ill re-reda it again.

[blazing pumice]

then do the caustic thing

ideally you are mouse over dotting rather than changing target

[distant plinth]

You can be lazy and harrote garrote rupture rupture the same target aswell

[barren island]

Recommend ^

Unless u have lince eyes

Not worth it

[pulsar elk]

In Whispyr's WA, garrote and rupture light up when they need to be refreshed?

[white pumice]

Is the wowhead build updated since the talent changes?

[barren island]

Most wa they glow when they enter pandemic

[barren island]

Yes

But check pins

There are many options to m+ now

[hidden beacon]

I'm assuming it's worth to craft 2 x 636 daggers if I only have 619s?

[barren island]

No

[pulsar elk]

Heard, noticing it since I got it. Usually just refresh when I see it light up

[barren island]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[pulsar elk]

Only thing that doesn't light up is CT

[barren island]

Yeah, p much how all of them work

[fervent relic]

is there a good guide video for assa m+ atm? cause the wowhead leaves me with too many questions

[barren island]

Wowhead is solid enough

But pins may help

[mossy flower]

Is the idea of using garrote and rupture on the same target twice for it to spread to more enemies through Indiscriminate Carnage within its window?

[barren island]

Yes

[kindred hinge]

Whysper youtube channel as one from the start of the expand. The basics are the same and it will give you all the info you need to start

[mossy flower]

Ah that makes good sense. Thank you.

[fervent relic]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

what is leaving you with questions?

[barren island]

Whysper

[balmy condor]

wowhead should have everything

[barren island]

[balmy condor]

if there's something missing I can add it

but idk what's missing

[kindred hinge]

Yeah but what happen then when you KB, Shiv and tea ?

[barren island]

What happen?

[barren yarrow]

What would you like in video format that you didn’t get via wowhead?

[fervent relic]

i think i would just need some exampel pulls in m+

[barren yarrow]

mmm. So moreso how to use the rotation?

[fervent relic]

When to use KB over applaying improved garrot

[balmy condor]

you always imp gar first

[fervent relic]

or maybe i just overread it and overcomplicate things

[balmy condor]

it's always spread bleeds -> cooldowns

[barren island]

Spread your shit, then you kb shiv tea main target

Mark before if available ofc

Cuz your caustic will spread aids harder

[fervent relic]

spread>mark>kb

right?

[barren island]

Ye

[barren yarrow]

Ummm not mark

unless high key

[barren island]

Yes mark

[drowsy hatch]

why would you not mark lol

[barren yarrow]

why would you use death mark on a pack?

[drowsy hatch]

its a 2 min cd

[barren yarrow]

Because it’s a 2 min CD

[barren island]

2 min cd lol

It will make your caustic do way more dmg

[barren yarrow]

if he doesn’t time it right he doesn’t have it for boss

[barren island]

Then time it?

[fervent relic]

and the last thing, i find me often in situations, where mark has 40 sec cd and kb is ready. Do i just send kb and delay the next mark for 20 sec more?

[dapper spire]

in higher miythics. you will have plenty of time to use it many times before each boss

[reef elbow]

with the changes to Subterfuge, Master Assassin, Echoing Reprimand and Supercharger do we see a change in the Raid and M+ builds?

[barren yarrow]

lol

[drowsy hatch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[barren yarrow]

The guys asking for help I doubt timing is going to help nothing

[barren island]

"Unless high keys" doesnt make sense too, since he will prob take the same amount of time to kill the same pack cuz ilvl

Better getting used to

[drowsy hatch]

i mean giving wrong advice is bad too

[barren yarrow]

don’t use mark unless you’re comfortable timing your CDs

[barren island]

Otherwise will be a rogue that will use mark 3 times in a dungeon

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

but that's situational

[barren yarrow]

just spread bleeds and kingsbane the pack

[kindred hinge]

You don't time if youa re a beginner you just send, because more mark over a run > a mark on boss

[barren island]

^

Mark is a huge dmg boost on packs

[barren yarrow]

make sure to mut and keep Caustic up

[fervent relic]

Thanks Whisper for the help

[kindred hinge]

holding CD is niche and you don't want to do that unless in some specific puls but that require knowledge of the instance and routes. You just send

[barren island]

^

[kindred hinge]

Obviously you don't send if the pack is dying

But never hold

[barren island]

Pick a pack that has a high HP mob, on a time you think will be up for boss

And send it

Simple

[kindred hinge]

Only obvious situation isi GB corridor at start if you don't pull drake, packs are low life and you want to keep mark for boss but outside of that

[barren island]

You can easily mark that drake before first boss

[fervent relic]

Ok so Mark should if possible be ready for boss, only if i would waste a whole usage

[kindred hinge]

Oh yeah, I meant if you don't pull the drake

[barren yarrow]

You guys he’s already confused via wowhead and now your gonna confuse him evermore

[barren island]

He isnt stupid

[kindred hinge]

but that's the thing as a beginner you don't think you just send mark

[barren yarrow]

I didn’t say that at all

[barren island]

You are acting like he is

[kindred hinge]

That will always be better than to keep it for boss

[barren island]

Simple concept

[barren yarrow]

nope

it’s not simple if you’re new

[barren island]

Play with your class

Get comfortable with your cds

[barren yarrow]

you like hearing yourself talk is all

[barren island]

You are acting like his world will end

[barren yarrow]

you just barged into the convo not understanding what his situation was

and then shunned me from saying anything giving him “bad” advice

[stark kraken]

its not the end of the world if mark comes back up 1 min in a fight for example

[barren island]

3 ppl already told that its fine for him sending w/e

So, chill

[reef elbow]

if want to sim M+ what Simulation Options should i use?

[barren yarrow]

Kk

[kindred hinge]

Dslice

[reef elbow]

ok ty

[leaden raven]

It's best we have but it's still kinda sketch. Simming dungeons is hard

[reef elbow]

okey 🙂

[barren yarrow]

So is simming patchwork umm raid boss then?

[hollow river]

Patchwork is ST

[barren yarrow]

wow I’m today years old lol.

ok good to know

[crisp stream]

Dilse how many target is optimal?

And mins?

[azure flare]

Dung slice?

[crisp stream]

Yea

[azure flare]

Target and min should already be preset in a dung slice, no?

I didnt think any changes u made to it actually changed the dslice itself

[crisp stream]

I have seen many people sim with 8 targets and 5

Wanted to know the difference or the point of it compared to dslice preset

[barren yarrow]

I mean maybe someone would sim with more if they play with a tank that pulls more mobs?

I could see yoda’s dps peeps doing this but idk?

[balmy condor]

You can’t override dslice

People just sim patchwerk aoe for raw aoe comparisons

The problem with simming like 8 target 1 min

Is it has literally all cooldowns

Like if you play without a trace and you sim aoe

You’re using both vanish charges in 60 seconds flat

[reef elbow]

im still in low gear but i tweaked the M+ builds a bit and in sims i get a bit more damage out of it but could someone try to sim them as well to see if it keeps or if they are just bad alternatives.
Bleed Build (low keys) (Tweaked): CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZMzwMAAAAAAAzixsMDAAAAAA22mZGegZGjZmZZ2GMGzMzMjZmZsttMmBYzsMwAWALDDwwCA
Hybrid Build (Tweaked): CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZMzMmBAAAAAAYWMmtZAAAAAAw22MzwDMzYMzMLz2YMYmZmZwMzsttMmBYzsMwAWALDDwwCA

[balmy condor]

And it’s gonna look real impressive

But it’s not actually going to be a very useful metric

[iron carbon]

It's more to sim your big burst on first dung pack, no?

[balmy condor]

Idk you tell me

[iron carbon]

So you can Imagine your "peak dps"

[balmy condor]

I’ve never suggested aoe patchwerk sims in my life

[iron carbon]

I never do that either

[balmy condor]

I can’t imagine a situation where it would be useful to do so

[zenith cedar]

i have a secret build that sims at 3m ST trust me (its 30 seconds long)

[balmy condor]

So I can’t really speak as to what the point is

Cause idk

[iron carbon]

That's the only one I could figure tbh

The only one that make sense

Imo

[mossy flower]

In packs that live longer in M+ youd aim to vanish in order to re-apply rupture and garrote through Insdiscriminate carnage right?

[drowsy hatch]

should mostly use vanish for the tail end of kb

[iron carbon]

Depends but yeah

[drowsy hatch]

assuming youre running ma

[iron carbon]

You can do both

Btw

[drowsy hatch]

yeah both is good

if possible

good to use it to buff kb and reapply stuff

[iron carbon]

With 2* sub and MA, it's easier

[zenith cedar]

lately i feel so energy starved playing the non MA / Subterfuge build in M+

idk what up with that

[kindred hinge]

Packs rarely live longer tbh, theya re usually nearly dead when the first rupture expire

[gilded wasp]

Hey guys , can i have recomandations about weakaura , i usualy like luxthos one but for assa i feel like i realy need things to glow up when i need to apply or refresh. I already made a search on this discord but i wanted to have your advice

[west forge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[barren island]

Luxthos does glow up

But

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gilded wasp]

Oh yes you're right ,i reimported it and it does glow up

sorry

[barren island]

Luxthos is my fav, but his ttk is really bad

[gilded wasp]

What you guys are using ?

[barren island]

Had to import whispy ttk

[gilded wasp]

what is ttk ?

[barren island]

Twist the knife

[iron carbon]

My own afenar edit

[barren island]

He just puts a 2 on the envenom bar but theres no indication when the second charge will expire

Its bad

[iron carbon]

Edit some stuff and took some Lisonna standalone cuz it's good stuff

[gilded wasp]

also i don't like combo points and energy bar in luxthos WA

[barren island]

Thats what i like the most

And dislike the most on whisp

Cant barely see them

[gilded wasp]

Haha , it feels like energy bar is merged with combo point

[queen egret]

Wait when was it fixed that we can apply mark anytime within our IC window?

[balmy condor]

Never?

That’s not a thing

[real granite]

you'r probably playing subterfuge

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[real granite]

and u didnt realize the talent's effect

[queen egret]

ah yeah

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge will do it

[barren island]

Lol

[chilly mist]

is there a world where we wouldnt shiv in aoe? assuming prio dmg isn't important

[barren island]

You shiv after kb, your caustic will brr

[chilly mist]

not in aoe buddy

[barren island]

Yes on aoe buddy

[hollow warren]

Shiv doesn't increase aoe dmg of splatter no?

[chilly mist]

no

[strong wigeon]

any way for me to make sure tea doesnt auto proc everytime and i dont have it for cds?

[hollow warren]

Dont mutilate under 80 energy

That's the only way

[strong wigeon]

same rule for fan?

[real granite]

fok 65

[barren island]

What shiv does? 🙂

[hollow warren]

Fan its 65

[strong wigeon]

ty

[chilly mist]

idk exactly why it doesn't, think its due to it being a debuff

[barren island]

Why you shiv on a kb window?

[weary swallow]

Increases ur kb dmg

[chilly mist]

but it only increases it on your main target

[barren island]

And kb dmg....increases spatter

[chilly mist]

can just go and test on a dummy bro...

[barren island]

And spatter....is aoe

[chilly mist]

please do

go test

and come back

dumb conversation

[barren island]

No, you do lol

[real granite]

im not really sure that the extra dmg from shiv goes into spatter...

[chilly mist]

Whispyr help please

its too early in the morning

[real granite]

only flat kb dmg goes throught spatter

not even dm if im not wrong

[barren island]

If shiv increases kb dmg as was told....

[barren island]

DM def does

[chilly mist]

its not an opinionated matter, it literally just doesn't. Go test it and come back and say sorry lmao

[barren island]

Even casual talked about it

[balmy condor]

Hm?

[real granite]

i vaguely remember a convo from early expa and i think that was the conclusion

[balmy condor]

What I do

[real granite]

but maybe i remember wrong

[weary swallow]

Does ur Shiv indirectly increase spatter dmg

[balmy condor]

No

[real granite]

spatter damage, shiv+kb+deathmark, do all this extra damage goes through spatter?

[balmy condor]

No

[real granite]

not even deathmark right

[balmy condor]

I mean you get double poisons from deathmark

That’s technically more spatter hits

[barren island]

Exactly...

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane spatters obviously

[real granite]

so deathmark does, but shiv doesnt

[chilly mist]

lol

[balmy condor]

But the shiv % increase doesn’t work

[weary swallow]

Envenom spatters?

[barren island]

Lol

[balmy condor]

Yep

[chilly mist]

The conversation was weither shiv increased kb caustic, and it doesnt

[balmy condor]

Correct

[chilly mist]

"Exactly"

jesus

[barren island]

Chill lil bro, will have a stroke

Touch grass idk

[chilly mist]

You are something 🙂

[barren island]

At least 😉

[marsh grail]

[balmy condor]

Idk man, every time there’s a heated debate about some mechanic you seem to oddly be in the conversation

[weary swallow]

So shiv % only works on prio dmg?

[balmy condor]

Yes

You would need to take arterial precision in order for a caustic buff in aoe

[chilly mist]

Arterial Precision existing should be a decent indicator of this in itself

[gilded wasp]

I have a question about snapshotting , when they say "or untill you refresh it" ? what does it means ? when your garrote fade and youreapply it ?

[balmy condor]

Shiv is a damage taken increase, so you need to have shiv on the target that is taking the caustic damage

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen spruce]

if you use an unempowered garrote while an improved one is running, it will "delete" the empowered one

[weary swallow]

Never even knew that was a thing, I was sure my spatter would be huge with kb shiv

[keen spruce]

and replace it with a normal one

[weary swallow]

My life has been a lie

[balmy condor]

Yeh shiv is useless in aoe

Unless you have arterial

Or supercharger I guess

[gilded wasp]

so i need to apply when i got the empowered one right ?

[keen spruce]

right in stealth or just after leaving stealth

[chilly mist]

That was my initial question that started this lovely conversation. Would it be worth just not to cast it? Assuming prio dmg isn't important

[keen spruce]

then let that one run out

before putting a normal one on

[subtle cipher]

If you have arterial precision talented shiv will spatter

So he isn't 100% wrong

[subtle tundra]

or deathstalker talent?

[untold cave]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gilded wasp]

Ok ok i got it , the "snapshotting" term was confusing me , thank you !

[balmy condor]

I mean technically it’s still more overall to cast it, but after like 5 or 6 targets it’s not worth it

I forget what the actual number is

But it’s somewhere in that range

[balmy condor]

What deathstalker talent

[subtle cipher]

Casual shivs even on 10+ mobs tho

[chilly mist]

Cool, just asking cause I don't see a single rogue skip out on it in logs. Especially on pulls like 1st necro/stonevault

Ill try it

[balmy condor]

Sure, for prio I guess idk go ask him

[subtle tundra]

you lost the argument, whispyr

whats your rio

[balmy condor]

I mean I’m not a psychic

[subtle cipher]

And to confirm, with arterial precision shiv does spatter doesn't it?

[balmy condor]

Oh that piece of shit lmao sure

[keen spruce]

i mean you'd still shiv to kill the thing you're deathmarking

[subtle tundra]

😭

[keen spruce]

cuz you're probably deathmarking a large mob

[subtle tundra]

if you have a comp that kills the large mob in 20 seconds you wouldnt

[balmy condor]

Well with arterial precision the shiv cleaves and any target hit would be taking 30% more nature damage. Caustic is nature damage, so they would be taking more caustic damage

[subtle cipher]

So, not wrong if you talking considering arterial @barren island

Maybe you two were just talking dif things

[balmy condor]

No shit you’re defending that clown bro

[subtle cipher]

Idk xD

[balmy condor]

Why are you giving him an out

[subtle cipher]

Maybe his intentions were pure

[balmy condor]

From what I’ve seen of his chat log

I doubt it

[subtle cipher]

And it was about closing

[keen spruce]

we don't assume pure intentions around here

[subtle cipher]

Thats what you didn't saw

[balmy condor]

Always some trouble when he’s around

Quite strange

[subtle cipher]

All about closing

[balmy condor]

What is closing

[subtle cipher]

DEEZ NUTS

[subtle tundra]

ban him

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t even make sense

[subtle cipher]

Idk bro im sad

😦

[weary swallow]

Same, now that I know that my shiv doesn’t so shit in aoe

Do*

[subtle cipher]

Take arterial precision

[weary swallow]

[chilly mist]

Another cook, DM a mob that will die early for the 30% Lingering darkness for the rest of the pack? oj oj oj

[weary swallow]

New hidden tech?

[chilly mist]

haha yeah, might aswell unbind kb at that point I think

[subtle cipher]

Someone was cooking a no kb m+ build

Wonder where they are

[weary swallow]

Illumanti got them

[subtle cipher]

Shit lizards

[weary swallow]

Bro was cooking too much

[subtle cipher]

Bro I was doing a 14 ara tday, the dk used limb on the last boss

[weary swallow]

I love how I spelt illuminati as well

[subtle cipher]

Fucking stoopid

[weary swallow]

I assume u 2 cheated because of that reason

Chested*

[subtle cipher]

I cloaked, but everybody died

[weary swallow]

Unlucky

[subtle cipher]

Got called out, he did it again just to brick the key

Because yes

[balmy condor]

Sure I guess, we did that during abberus

Was okay

But very niche

[real granite]

mmh, did you wipe cuz everybody got rooted melee? or cause every pool was in melee and not a single one in ranged?

[balmy condor]

What

[real granite]

oh shit

wrong quote

keeps happening

[balmy condor]

Yeah discord bad

[subtle cipher]

He went around boss grabbing everybody bobbles

Lmao

[real granite]

nah, i perma quote things and then say to myself its not worth it, adhd behaviour

[queen egret]

Whispyr do you know approx how much % damage loss it is to not send naked Shivs on CD when only playing 1 shiv?

[subtle tundra]

thats such a random thing to know the loss of

[chilly mist]

I mean wether to send shiv on cd or not feels like a pretty good thing to know

[leaden raven]

How would anyone work that out man. Poor whispyr man he gets asked the weirdest stuff

[chilly mist]

think last time I checked it wasn't a gain? might be trolling, also supercharger exists now

[west crown]

Don’t send shiv

[midnight wolf]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west crown]

Shiv on cd is probably as much or less than managing tea now

[chilly mist]

feel free to elaborate, might be feelcrafting here but sending it to cover last 8 sec of lingering darkness sounds like it could be good

[obtuse ruin]

Can someone send me the go to m+ build on wowhead? Wowhead doesn’t work in my country

[west crown]

League name. Opinion invalidated

[chilly mist]

hahaha

fair enough

[autumn remnant]

guys, u know when u lvl, and only have 5 cp, at what cp do u finish there

[blazing plaza]

what is the best m+ build?

[autumn remnant]

if ur max cps are 5

[subtle tundra]

4+

[real granite]

at 4+ i would guess... as you should not get more than 2 with muti, usually

[autumn remnant]

alrightt

[queen egret]

Can someone expalin me the master assasin bug?

where it dosent apply

so i can play around it

[drowsy hatch]

just dont stealth again while you have the ma buff up still

[queen egret]

u mean if the pack dies?

[drowsy hatch]

most of the time its about not vanishing

chances are packs wont die in 12s

[broken birch]

Do you guys find TotT or Blackjack more valuable in 12+

[kindred hinge]

We don't generate aggro, tot is more or less useless unless you have coordinated pulls that requires you to go IW some mobs that are too far for the tnak to get aggro on.

We don't generate aggro in relation to the other dps that have instant burst*

So if you play in team tot can be usefull, in pugs usually blackjack

[broken birch]

Makes sense, thank you

[iron pivot]

Hello, sorry for a really basic question, but I never played rogue before - what spec is the most recommended to M+ atm?

[knotty canopy]

Is Master assasin working with subterfuge? Do we still have the buff 6 sec after subterfuge Runs out?

[drowsy hatch]

yes it adds it to 12 secs of ma

[warm vortex]

What’s up Assa bois :D

[knotty canopy]

Aight thx

[kindred hinge]

Sin is the easiest to play at the moment and the highest performer

[radiant onyx]

The one you enjoy the most. If you're not pushing high keys spec doesn't matter. However if you insist on rolling with the meta it's assassination currently

[blazing pumice]

bit of a juicy pull in grim batol

[iron pivot]

Thanks to both. I shall try assa first then

[radiant onyx]

Enjoy! All rogue specs can easily perform really good numbers, so unless you're min-maxing just play the one you resonate with! 🙂

[latent gull]

Is there any way to remove the auto tea drink below 50 energy?

[drowsy hatch]

its 30 and no

[latent gull]

Seems to always be on cd for rotations

so i just have to monitor not going below 30

seems fkd

[blazing pumice]

you have to pretend it just doesn't exist now

it's dogshit

[weary swallow]

Does blackjack also affect enemies that is immune to blind or does it require the mobs to actually be blinded (dumb question)

[solar parcel]

So whats the play? I just failed a mist 12 miserably, because I had 0 charges for burn phase on first boss and completely energy starved. Do I really have to just monitor it and try to never go below 30, or? Seems really annoying tbh

[thin dock]

Any has a list / cheatsheet / or anything, that tells me what i can dodge with evasion in the current season ?

[warm vortex]

Nice nice
I’m good too, doing some online training for work as we have to refresh it every 2 years

[subtle tundra]

the play is to manage your energy better

dont spam before the phase starts

make sure your dots are already up when it does

[solar parcel]

Roger, thanks. But surely this get changed back? Did anyone actually ask for this?

[drowsy hatch]

highly doubt it will be changed back

[subtle tundra]

keep complaining

i want it to be changed back

[warm vortex]

Also

This 12 seconds of iron wire

Is amazing

[hollow warren]

do u still play 2 points in lethality in raid talents?

[warm vortex]

It’s so fucking useful

[hot nexus]

is anything cloakable on kyveza mythic?

[olive shore]

is there a weak aura for "X mobs around and rupture/garrote on Y of them"?

i have trouble managing the amount of garrote/rupture out of stealth on big pulls

[drowsy hatch]

I mean 5 is all you need for rupture

since that maxes out your scent of blood

[olive shore]

but lets say we pull 10. wouldnt that hurt my dmg if i only apply it to 5?

[drowsy hatch]

nah rupture is for energy regen more than dmg

most of your damage will be ct / cs / envenom

[blazing pumice]

you only have so many gcds

[olive shore]

alright, same counts for garrote? besides iron wire?

[shadow badger]

ik this is the rogue discord but would anyone know why this happens on my plater

[blazing pumice]

you're better off just caustic/envenoming at a certan pooint

[drowsy hatch]

yeah you can iron wire for silences but same concept

[olive shore]

okay thanks!

[smoky inlet]

so this is a good damage profile yeah?

(5)

[dusty phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dusty phoenix]

!plater