assassination

[stray adder]

things die too fast in low keys not to run SD

[drowsy hatch]

the answer is always sim stuff for yourself but generally I see sacbrood just being ok in m+

behind stuff like skardyns, spyglass, crystal

[old hedge]

so like this?

[sterile torrent]

ait ty mens

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean the other good option is bloodweeper from forge of souls

with nightmare illusion

makes the red glow really pop

[stray adder]

you can drop doomblade if you dont run sbs

and pick ttk

[drowsy hatch]

I feel like you should drop doomblade to get ttk

[crimson zephyr]

I never saw that sexy elf on our talent tree 😮

[drowsy hatch]

in that

[waxen oyster]

you cant take bonespike

without doomblade

[stray adder]

?

[subtle tundra]

that point in doomblade is giving me aids

ty

[drowsy hatch]

well he still isnt taking sbs

[subtle tundra]

put it in ttk

[lavish panther]

is this new twist the knife build good for mythic+ or should I stick with the pre-patch build

[uneven marsh]

guys, Zac is playing sin and not outlaw. Is this the top signal ?

[drowsy hatch]

so he either needs to drop sd for sbs or drop doomblade for ttk

[waxen oyster]

oh right yeah

if you drop spike you drop doomblade

[remote turtle]

wait

ttk -> db ?

[sterile torrent]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

i mean doomblade is not a good talent

its only taken for bonespike pathing

[drowsy hatch]

yeah only reason to take doomblade is sbs

[old hedge]

and sbs is only good in higher keys?

[drowsy hatch]

nah sbs is better the lower you are

in high keys you can drop it since you have more time to set up ruptures manually

but it's also just a good talent so its not like, much better to do that

[remote turtle]

when we talk higher keys

how much its

[drowsy hatch]

prob like 12+

[subtle tundra]

whatever key youre doing and things die slowly

[waxen oyster]

or any key

with aug

lmao

[drowsy hatch]

that too lol

[subtle tundra]

for casual doing with his main team it could be a 14

[old hedge]

so what that build looks like?

[remote turtle]

tbh rn i start feeling bad w the assa cuz i feel im doing everything good but my dmg its still stuck in 3 - 4m

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean they all work

pretty sure casual was doing it with 1/2 subterfuge only

[drowsy hatch]

either this or this

[keen nacelle]

Do you need to cast your bleeds during MA or can you just "stealth" and get the crit for the dots after they are applied ?:o

[waxen oyster]

kush was playing standard hybrid in a 15 with subterfuge 1/2

bleeds dont snapshot

crit value

[subtle tundra]

!!!!

[drowsy hatch]

ok well

do your weirdo stuff

[remote turtle]

casual its runnning 1/2

ub

sub

[stray adder]

wtf is that lol

[drowsy hatch]

well thats fine for casual too

the amounts in the rogue tree are completely flexible

[balmy condor]

okay but I need the most min-maxed top 0.01% dps build for my 10's

[old hedge]

but someone said that SD is good for low keys and dropping SBS is good in high keys, those builds contradict that

[drowsy hatch]

just remember that you are not casualaddict and are not playing with as good of players as casualaddict

[subtle tundra]

i want to play the bleed build i linked

in a 14

need a tank

[remote turtle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5UeYQHM3wC5NJM4ZUyyuLX

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, go for it

[subtle tundra]

exactly

[drowsy hatch]

theres like 6 builds man

[remote turtle]

@balmy condor i feel like am doing something wrong 😦

[balmy condor]

sorry to hear that

[waxen oyster]

99% of players

can just play the wowhead hybrid build

and do fine enough to do ksh etc

[remote turtle]

u have to update the A to Z youtube video lol

[cerulean walrus]

Your mental is back?

That’s crazy

[remote turtle]

[waxen oyster]

I mean he really doesnt

nothing core about sin changed

[balmy condor]

it's still pretty accurate actually

[subtle tundra]

to do title

literally

[balmy condor]

just gotta use a bit of brain when I talk about a talent that changed

[waxen oyster]

kush out here playing wowhead build in 15s

[cerulean compass]

Can't we drop like, sanguine blade to get some stuff like that ? (Imma getting banned for posting shitty build ? )

[heavy nebula]

Maybe been asked before.. but… in AoE, how do you determine where to put garrote and rupture? or are you just going all over?

[soft shale]

i like when people ask me about the 4 diff shitty talents sub has in the middle

[waxen oyster]

while people asking 20x for a 10 build

[soft shale]

just use whatever

[remote turtle]

but

demise

its a 10% of dmg in all ur bleeds

[balmy prism]

how the fuck do you survive the big guys poison in CoT on top of the stairs on higher keys?

[remote turtle]

i dont feel like its worth it but

[drowsy hatch]

sd is so whatever

[old hedge]

i just cant figure out how to play both sb+ma without either dropping SD which is bad for low keys or dropping SBS which is also bad for low keys

[remote turtle]

whispyr or someone w more experience can talk about that

[drowsy hatch]

it really doesnt matter that much

[balmy condor]

drop dashing for iron wire and you got yourself a build

[drowsy hatch]

sim them and see whats better

[waxen oyster]

also if you do lower keys

or team keys with 2 big burst aoe classes

[drowsy hatch]

like I bet if you sim the 2 i sent

its within 20k dps

[cerulean compass]

True because if I don't run sanguine blade don't need to have dashing right ?*

[waxen oyster]

like if you’re doing NW

who cares about damage to little adds

that die as soon as necromancer does

[drowsy hatch]

I drop SD, personally

[balmy condor]

no it's just you have infinite aoe in aoe and not taking iron wire is sinful behavior

[waxen oyster]

if im doing vault fill keys

sb is like 6-7% of my overall

i aint dropping that

[cerulean compass]

Hmmm true true I see

[drowsy hatch]

yeah I think SB is really good

[limber lion]

I like my SD doing like 4% in overall dam on top of the 10% bleed increase

[waxen oyster]

on big pulls once you rip CT

[limber lion]

Loss prevention lalala

[waxen oyster]

SB does so much work

[stray adder]

cloak, stone form, poison cleansing totem

[balmy prism]

Yeah I realized I wasn't playing elusiveness when i thought I was, so I was just feinting and looking like an idiot

[drowsy hatch]

if only there was 1 more talent point

then that gets slammed right in sd and its all happy

[waxen oyster]

Honestly

having talent options means

your spec has good design

usually

[drowsy hatch]

no its true

I enjoy the options

[limber lion]

I kinda don't agree

Because it's not about situational variety

It's just about what does the most damage in aoe

[balmy prism]

I feel giga energy starved swapping off of ds on bosses in keys, am I imagining or is that the downside to being able to play sbs?

[limber lion]

You will be energy starved

And it's fine

[waxen oyster]

sb is the only talent that gets moved around

[drowsy hatch]

yeah the st m+ is just kinda starved

[waxen oyster]

that really affects energy

[limber lion]

I don't even really consider Sang in my builds anymore

It's just ttk vs demise

[drowsy hatch]

no? dont like the energy drain?

[keen spruce]

do you think blizz will listen

[stray adder]

running another +8 would probably be faster

[limber lion]

Just sims pretty poorly for me

[drowsy hatch]

mm I see

[cerulean walrus]

They didn’t listen to me when I fucked up

[drowsy hatch]

I need to run more keys. I'm interested in that too

[sturdy mesa]

Telling them you are going to kermit will have cops sent to your house to check on you

[cerulean walrus]

No trade back option on those things is CRAZY

[keen spruce]

can i update my bugreport

I don't think anyone reads those anyways

[sturdy mesa]

Friend of mine told a gm he was going to commit cuz they wouldnt unban him, 10-15 min later 2 cops was at his door 😅

[waxen oyster]

tbh it makes sense sd is stronger than sb

considering the former is a capstone….

[ancient tangle]

is there any secret to never fail reseting boss as rogue ?

[keen spruce]

[ancient tangle]

i might vanish too late but u have to vanish as soon as the boss get the poisoned knife tick ?

[keen spruce]

hopefully it just get's filtered by the robot

and no one sees

I don't htink blizz has my real addr anyways lol

[drowsy hatch]

it also needs to be seen by someone who understands what "kermit" means

[gloomy hinge]

whats the latest talent builds?

for deathstalker

[keen spruce]

I think the tone was meme enough

[frail kiln]

!tea

[keen spruce]

if the cops come maybe they can help me get my crests back

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[keen spruce]

[rotund oasis]

i've seen a few people in dungeons not playing the typical builds and instead have talents split down the left and right hand side of the spec tree, is anyone familiar with this?

[devout ore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[verbal blaze]

is it worth to always tea/shiv macro? I find myself starving in longer fights

[slim tundra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[amber fossil]

I was expecting to see a trink combo of spyglass/vr contract on top of this st sim (per bloodmallet), but it's way down the list. Which would you guys use? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bP78Peu2tdzkkM79LCxVdQ

[heavy canopy]

I personally hate Concoction, so wouldn't even sim it lol

[amber fossil]

it's much better with the WA

never get stunned anymore

[kindred hinge]

Tea shiv macro ensure that you alwayse havea tea charge with shiv if used perfectly. But tea manual vs auto proc is .2% dps difference

[left sundial]

any location without lag . For hitting 5 target dummy?

[uneven marsh]

any main city

[cunning basin]

painge

[subtle tundra]

almost timed 14 city of threads with bleed build

we wiped on adds before last boss

so sad

[agile wedge]

can you actually wear 2 crafted 636 rings?

or is it unique?

[royal lantern]

there are 2 different crafted rings

[limber lion]

We always prefer using one active, stat-boost trinket to use with cooldowns together with a passive one.

[royal lantern]

1 that is "normal" and 1 with some weird special effect

[winter gale]

Is notter's kingsbane WA still of some use?

[limber lion]

We do not want to use 2 passive ones.

[royal lantern]

41 runs nothing and then it was in the vault

you gotta belive man

[limber lion]

It's never been of any use except for some dopamine fiends who want to see a high score on their kb for some reason.

[silk bane]

how long did bosses take? im doing a 3rd attempt later tonight that keys cursed for me idk

always slow

[winter gale]

For me it was good to help with when to press stuff, I disabled the numbers

[silk bane]

tyty

[strange python]

what do i drop to take SBS?

sanguine blades?

[silk bane]

u lusted first boss/?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[balmy prism]

sb and sd

[subtle tundra]

i was outdpsing the ele and fdk

so

bleed isnt killing my dps

[silk bane]

yeah makes more sense. my tank likes lusteing the pull before idk why

[balmy prism]

I'm guessing you did the shroud route varas?

[subtle tundra]

nope

maybe

idk

[balmy prism]

oh

[subtle tundra]

we shrouded something

[balmy prism]

I've done one where you go left after first buff

shroud up to first boss

[subtle tundra]

i dont know the route

[balmy prism]

and just ignore entire first area more or less

[subtle tundra]

yea

i guess we did that

[amber fossil]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[quaint knoll]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stray adder]

yes but then you have to make a decision between TTK or SD because doomblade is required for sbs, also your base tree is wrong if you play MA, you gotta drop supercharger and recup to get at least 1 point into subterfuge, after that it's up to you if you prefer dropping lethality for 2/2 subt + WaT.

Also some people prefer sanguine over TTK and SD

[empty hound]

anything in BRD worth over current raid?

[drowsy hatch]

negative

[gray marsh]

Hey quick question, how does the interaction of double garroting after vanish work during death mark? do you just vanish garrote garrote and rupture at max combo points during the last 6s of KB?

[wild birch]

You don't? Just vanish->one garrote and continue doing what you were doing before

[past panther]

not for sin

[gray marsh]

ooh im sorry i was thinking this was just doing double dmg on the target

[past panther]

0 mastery gear

[gray marsh]

it's just for spreading bleeds?

[past panther]

really good for outlaw tho

[heavy canopy]

Just did my 40th run of Grim Butthole, still no Skardyn's trinket. Tell me it exists?

[stray adder]

It doesnt

[past panther]

They only exist in vault

[heavy canopy]

I thought so

[past panther]

Gotta pray for Santa to bring it to you

[stray adder]

The trick is to not form an emotional bond with skardyn

[wild birch]

Ah, I thought you were talking about ST, yeah in aoe if you vanish you want to spread bleeds again (if your packs live that long)

[gray marsh]

gotcha even during kb and deathmark? makes senese

[ebon prism]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest hare]

ive seen ppl run subtefuge or super charged route for the rogue tree, whats the biggest difference?

[round coyote]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jade abyss]

It exists keep going

[heavy canopy]

That's all I needed to hear 😎 Here's to another 40 runs 🥳

[jade abyss]

I cant say how many tries i was needed for it. Bcs dont wanna be killed x) but it exist

[pseudo cosmos]

ye nope ill give it 5 more runs and then accept its not dropping did 50 runs for latros shifting sword in tbc(tho it was bis until t6) ill pass for somthing that is gonna be irrelivent next season

[late tusk]

Which is the best way to use Tricks, mouse over or target_focus

[heavy canopy]

It'll be irrelevant? When's next season start?

[amber fossil]

I don't see slice/dice in Whispyr's WA, am I missing something?

[blazing slate]

How does assa st in m+ compare to stuff like frost dk, shaman or ret

[uneven marsh]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[heavy canopy]

We don't use SnD anymore, it autoprocs from Envenom

[uneven marsh]

we do not track it now, pointless

[dim mural]

Get a tricks weakaura that auto casts on tank

[late tusk]

im looking the one undersailor said

didnt even know that existed

[amber fossil]

we still need to hit it once tho, correct?

[heavy canopy]

No

[uneven marsh]

no we do not

[heavy canopy]

Never press it again

[tawdry gulch]

!embelish

[heavy canopy]

Get it off your bars, out of your WA, and out of your mind

[uneven marsh]

!embellish

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[late tusk]

But i dont understand the macro

[amber fossil]

oh ok, ty kindly. That explains why I dont see it used in logs

[jade abyss]

Forget it exists

[late tusk]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
this one

it will use tricks on tank with the wa?

[uneven marsh]

yes

[heavy canopy]

There's a link right about the macro, it explains more

[uneven marsh]

the WA autoselect the tank as a 'target' and the macro just use tricks on the 'target'

you can tweak the WA for raid purpose like MT/OT stuff

[prisma sundial]

does anyone have a master assassin WA that tells you to vanish at 6 seconds left on KB? i cant seem to get mine to work

[limber lion]

But what if you use Subterfuge?

[prisma sundial]

this ones mainly for raids

[raw lodge]

Which rogue spec is the most oogabooga?

[sullen hearth]

wrong class

[raw lodge]

I was led to believe assa is the easiest and slowest. That true?

[limber lion]

yes

[sullen hearth]

there's no oogabooga however

but it aint hard

[raw lodge]

I miss WoD rogue ngl

My aging ass getting too bad for rogue

[royal lantern]

huh

[thorn fjord]

cooked

[violet light]

Hey all! So, I recently came back to retail after being on Classic for a very long while. Wanting to get back into rogue and thankfully have a boost I can use. Back in OG Vanilla I ran Orc rogue. Now, unsure what race. I was told it doesn't matter, but all I see are dwarf rogues now. Does it really not matter or am I wrong? Sorry for the stupid question.

[tulip fern]

It does not matter unless you are planning to push 0.1%

[thorn fjord]

Pick what you like the most

[still stone]

DRACTHYR ROGUE

[thorn fjord]

% diff wont matter much

[tulip fern]

probably 0.01% honestly

[violet light]

Wait, I didnt realize Dracthyr could be other classes now! Holy hell that just changed everything!

[serene wyvern]

heya, i know i asked this a few days ago, but i missed the post..how do i add the scent of blood on my rupture weak aura?

[sullen hearth]

Yeah I swapped to one myself for the shits

[still stone]

Haven’t you always wanted 2 more stops, double jump, and a mastery buff?

😂

And the option to look good or look like a freak

[royal lantern]

the freak is the knife ear btw

kill all elves

[tulip fern]

do you actually shank stuff as a dragon

because I could be tempted

[violet light]

Thats the one downside of the race. If I could stay as the human form during combat, it would be 100x better.

[tulip fern]

or do you have to be visage

[still stone]

Well you can do either

Dragon or visage

[tulip fern]

big

[violet light]

Wait, I can fight in visage?

[still stone]

Yes

[stray adder]

careful they nerfed dracthyr racials for non-evoker dracthyrs

[still stone]

As a rogue

Or any other non evoker

[violet light]

SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Going Dracthyr

[tulip fern]

Just think being a dragon that uses knives is funny

like imagine

[royal lantern]

its 1knockback on a huge cd which is not really better then shit like warstomp, and the "mastery buff" is worse then all other "you get X% secondary stat" passives

[still stone]

Yeah it’s nerfed but it’s still 2 extra stops for emergency so there is value

[tulip fern]

breathing fire, nah

stabbing

[royal lantern]

where is it 2

pls

[still stone]

Wait why are you so mad about a race

[royal lantern]

if you talk shit, inform yourself first

[stray adder]

play what you want tbh

[still stone]

Stick to your dwarf peasant

🐒

[violet light]

Now, 2nd question. Level as assassination or go outlaw? I really want to main assassination but not sure how it does leveling.

[still stone]

Anyone asking that question doesn’t actually care if it’s 1 stop 2 stops 3 stops wing stop

Who cares ligten up

[royal lantern]

i hate people spreading Missinformation you bozo

first, its not "2stops for literally months now"

and the "more mastery" is the same (and for most classes even WORSE) then the "1% more crit/haste/vers" that most classes have

[still stone]

cry about it to someone who cares man

Pick dragon

[stray adder]

Cody ngl, your vibe ain't it brother

[still stone]

😈

[royal lantern]

->joined october 23, ofc

another fotm monkey

god can they nerf nuke assa allready

[thorn fjord]

brother

plz

[still stone]

Man I have 9 characters I’m playing. If they break rogue it wouldn’t affect me. It’s just what i picked as a main. I just enjoy playing the game

[thorn fjord]

no

[still stone]

🫶🏻

[thorn fjord]

Man nobody enjoys playing this game

[past panther]

pls no i actually like assa

outlaw feels like shit and sub isn’t as fun

[balmy condor]

A normal person in a class discord? Ain’t no way

[violet light]

Ok, so I will ask again real quick. Should I try to level as assassination or go with a different spec? I am not sure how any of them do for leveling?

[past panther]

level as assa it’s fine

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[past panther]

got a friend that just when 1-70 as assassin and had no complaints

[thorn fjord]

For leveling I always recommend OL as its a bit easier

[balmy condor]

Whatever looks cool to you

[stray adder]

just press buttons

[past panther]

leveling is insanely fast rn as it is

[stray adder]

doesnt matter what spec

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[past panther]

you should get things just fast enough to become familiar

[violet light]

I appreciate it @past panther and @balmy condor ❤️

[past panther]

good way to level

[thorn fjord]

You can spam timewalking

ezpzp

[limber lion]

You called him normal, but he's playing 9 fucking characters

[past panther]

Time walking with a tank/heal friend or quest in between

[past panther]

how casually tho

[sharp hazel]

Anyone have tips for running delves?

[past panther]

and is he NEET or not

[still stone]

Yeah lol I’m a normal wow player who enjoys the game. I play a lot, I’m not the best but I’m 2969 on my rogue and I’m 2600 on other specs

[royal lantern]

healer brann->collect the heal potions

thats it, you can do t8 delves with a fresh lvl80 that way

[tulip fern]

is 2969 not near enough 0.1% title atm lol

you're on tracj

track*

[balmy condor]

I mean that's pretty normal

[limber lion]

I don't think so

[balmy condor]

my boss at wowhead needed a second account cause he's character capped on his first

and wants to farm for mounts

which are accountwide

so

THAT

[coral ibex]

that’s cooked

[balmy condor]

is not normal

[stray adder]

your boss is a mount farmer?

how do you cope with that

[balmy condor]

he's also a TC

he's just like

all around a big wow gamer

[royal lantern]

put him out of his misery allready

mount farmer AND tc?

[limber lion]

When I played this game 24/7, I played like 5 characters at most and only because I was forced to

[past panther]

character capped is crazy

[tulip fern]

dude games and he games hard

respectable

[limber lion]

And had to quit the next tier because I got burned out

[stray adder]

is he the owner of WoWhead or just a guy above you

[balmy condor]

he did love rocket farm on 45 characters for 2 days before realizing he actually got it last year and doesn't need to do that

[limber lion]

wtf lol

[noble pollen]

Lol

[tulip fern]

he kinda silly but he still games

[slate crown]

[cloud fox]

Anything good out of BRD?

[stray adder]

45 characters

[royal lantern]

nope

[stray adder]

jfc

[balmy condor]

wowhead is owned by a company that's owned by a company that's owned by a company that's owned by tencent

so like

idk man

how far up the chain do you wanna go

[stray adder]

ohhh

never did my research on that matter

[balmy condor]

riot games is my business partner

[stray adder]

good to know

[balmy condor]

[stray adder]

beta key for the new riot mmo when?

[dusty crescent]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

real

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-dies-of-cringe-gif-26666894

[spice spire]

Is this why ur just male jinx

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

the thing that will totally come out some day and didnt got cancled in everything but name?

[spice spire]

ahh

[stray adder]

that's ashes of creation

[balmy condor]

I'm built like gragas with visions of being sett, but end up cosplaying jinx

unlucky

[tulip fern]

Gragas is a giga chad

its all good

[royal lantern]

where is the cat part?

[balmy condor]

rengar

[stray adder]

gtg to a halloween party, you guys peep the fit?

also sry for the flashbang

[limber lion]

I need to come up with an outfit with a movie theme

[tulip fern]

the ears give me more yuumi vibes

and yuumi has a book

[ashen rover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

when you say dumb shit in chat and I respond

this is who is responding

keep that in mind

[stray adder]

dress up as Joe Exotic from Tiger King

[tulip fern]

dumb shit like, after the 5% crit nerf we are F tier

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

That would be pretty funny

Don't have his glorious build though

[royal lantern]

you mean Swamp Ass Tier

its 2024 tierlists

[limber lion]

With the stache and the hair

[royal lantern]

we need shity names for top and bottom

not just letters

[stray adder]

you can buy kits on amazon lol

just type Joe Exotic costume

[spice spire]

[tidal lily]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tulip fern]

I mean, 5% crit nerf on a buff that happens every 2 mins for 6 seconds. Basically 58% nerf

It’s maths

Possibly

[stark kraken]

[prisma sundial]

more if you count in sub

[heavy canopy]

It’s a 20% nerf

Or 5 percentage points

[empty pagoda]

is there a specific channel to post logs for suggestions and advice on what to improve?

[misty skiff]

I know the guides all say that you don't Ambush open if you already have darkest night, and I follow that logic, but can I ask why?

[jaunty lotus]

Wait, I just saw the pin and am confused, is the top build in dslice dropping KB for ttk?

[tulip fern]

The crit applies mark

So it’s better to just start spreading bleeds

I believe

Might be wrong but that’s what I tell myself

[misty skiff]

The max combo envenom is what applies mark according to the tooltip

So I guess the ambush is just kind of a waste

[tulip fern]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[misty skiff]

Ye

Alright then

Ambush less value than a garrote if you don't need it for mark

Just apply the mark after a couple globals rather than first hit

[novel star]

you should read the full line where it tells you not to do that

and take the message as a whole for its full meaning instead of trying to force what you want out of it

the meaning of the pin is theres a lot of builds that are all viable and playing the new talents or the old ones doesnt really matter

[west crown]

No dont do that

[novel star]

"sure yeah it does, but don't do that" literally starts immediately after the ttk

like i get it cause normal people come in class discords looking for quick answers and whispyr put a huge paragraph of joking instead

but also you can still get the answers out if you use ur head a little

[west crown]

Only exception if DN has 5 seconds and will expire, then ambush and the mark will be active after DN expires

[novel star]

i send an ambush even if its like 8s tbh

crit ptsd

fuck that

[west crown]

My muscle memory has been so at 20+ a lot anyway

[royal python]

the pins say vanish for KB last six seconds, but that's wrong for fatebound

[novel star]

why would that be wrong for fatebound

[west crown]

That’s because we don’t care about fatebound

[novel star]

ah

edge case flips

[royal python]

yes

and fatebound sim rotations are wrong too

[empty pagoda]

can I post here a log and ask for advice/suggestions on how to improve or is there a specific channel for it?

[royal python]

ok, a separate bullet point covers fatebound vanish in the pins, my bad

[coral ibex]

if the gear sims well for you, yea. but generally its pretty mid

no mastery anywhere (blah blah stats dont matter)

[prisma sundial]

in my sim rotation its using shiv before KB on the opener, does it matter that much if its in the opener compared to the last 8 seconds?

[forest sable]

probably a dumb question, but does assassin scale a lot better then gear? my other alts are performing better at same ilevel

[blazing pumice]

you're probably doing something wrong then

[humble verge]

so for raid, is there any better build than whats posted on wowhead by whispyr? could you tweak it for more ST or is there nothing to do with it

[steel geyser]

Wowhead is up to date

[thin dock]

guys is there a spreadsheet for abilities that can be dodged with evasion

cheatshit

[steel geyser]

Nope

[forest sable]

@blazing pumice after carnage ends, do you stick to your deathmark target/caustic. or prioritize spreading more rupture around other targets?

[thin dock]

sheet

[steel geyser]

5 rupture and unlimited energy is what you're usually aiming for. And carnage gives you that and more.
When you're done with this you apply CT/Spatter and burst ur prio target

(5 rupture in order to cap Scent of blood talent)

[forest sable]

@steel geyser ahhh i see, thank you

[jaunty lotus]

I know, I just got curious

[west crown]

Getting full coverage of shiv is very important

[prisma sundial]

so even if you arent specd into lightweight shiv you should use it in the opener?

[west crown]

No

[low kernel]

If you only have 1 charge of shiv, you use it in the last 8s of the KB window.

[west crown]

Then it’s last 8

[spare cargo]

@prisma sundial DM > SHIV > KINGS> 3 sec on shiv > vanish> ambush >garote> shiv and continue

if you have 2 shiv charges

[novel star]

what

[spare cargo]

1 shiv charge is always 8 sec of kb

[west crown]

What

[novel star]

thats

what

you dont vanish ambush and you definitely just dont vanish in general at that timing

[low kernel]

[novel star]

you vanish the last 6s of kb which should line up with pandemic timing on garrote (and is after the 2nd shiv)

but you dont hit ambush out of it

[west crown]

Delete

[novel star]

just vanish gar

[west crown]

From memory

[prisma sundial]

im asking because the sim is doing it during the DM KB opener and not at the last 8 seconds so i was wondering if i should just ignore that and do it at 8 seconds left in KB or what

[spare cargo]

Why mr propaganda

if im at 0 cp

[west crown]

Well

Because it’s wrong

[novel star]

you do not ambush

ever

unless its for the mark

ambush is not a good button

and that vanish timing is just in general not correct

you arent vanishing when garrote is in pandemic OR for master assassin to overlap the last 6s of kb

which are the only reasons to vanish

[spare cargo]

you are vanishing for the crit buff no ?

[novel star]

yes

which

lasts 6 seconds

and is most valuable when its used on the last 6s of kingsbane

to make stacked kb ticks crit

[humble verge]

so is sim just bugging out, cause its suggesting me non-craft enchant on crafted wrists with ascendance dagger is better than with the craft enchant...?

[west crown]

The only reason you vanish before the last 6 seconds is if you delayed your opener

[spare cargo]

so what you are saying is thats why im losing 200k dps on st like sikran

[novel star]

not 200k

but

its definitely bad and incorrect yes

youre just probably also doing other incorrect things

[west crown]

Like vanishing and ambushing

With mark

[spare cargo]

if i sim 1,305 mil on 6mins fight and i do 1.221 mil in the actual fight that means i did pretty alright

[west crown]

ST sim? With lightweight shiv?

[spare cargo]

with slight lost uptime during images

[west crown]

I wish I could sim 1.3

[prisma sundial]

no its with these talents

[spare cargo]

Ive been doing ambush since i saw someone saying that aplying mark again is dps increase

[prisma sundial]

thats why im confused

[west crown]

Well that’s dungeon talents so. Maybe don’t use that

[spare cargo]

can you show us the output ?

[novel star]

this was correct over a month ago but then a bug got introduced (or fixed? unsure. but the interaction changed)

[spare cargo]

cause thats m+

[humble verge]

im simming 1.35

but im not doing it :D

[novel star]

and now its bad to vanish->ambush

because you cant consume mark stacks while DN is active

!ambush

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[spare cargo]

@novel star appreciate it ty

so vanish in to what

mutilate or envenom

[prisma sundial]

do you not sim dungeon slice for M+?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1nKfTc44a4iEvxwuTxkEvR

[west crown]

If you lose mark

Get ma and imp garr in cds

[novel star]

wha

you vanish into garrote

when garrote is in pandemic

[west crown]

Oh yeah, you never specified sim type. Whispyr been in here bitching about sim changes for a few days so it’s probably not 100% accurate

[spare cargo]

So now i might have figured out how the mark drops actually

[novel star]

master assassin is a 6 second buff

you are not vanishing to apply crit chance to one attack

[oblique flare]

You can consume DN even with a fresh mark applied as long as it's 7cp

[novel star]

it doesnt matter what you break stealth with really

but it generally should be garrote

[humble verge]

youre running MA for ST raid*? or have i been reading too much into it

[prisma sundial]

ok ill ignore it then

[novel star]

Yes

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[humble verge]

was it the build you posted?

oh no that was balen

oh wait i am too, im just stupid

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jKT9G5ty5N5v1jCKpfzVci hmm

thinking about wrists but

[west crown]

3 ilvls and 100k dps

Stupid game

[sly blade]

I read the discussion about shiv, and about how you're supposed to use it toward the end of kb, but the sims use it before?

[west crown]

Ignore

Before KB and at 8s if 2 shiv. At 8s if one shiv

[sly blade]

Okay, thank you for the clarification!

[normal mist]

The shiv rules didn't change at all

[west crown]

Sims being weird I guess on dsclice

[sly blade]

And dumb question, but are we supposed to use vanish as soon as able on single target? I know in m+ it can depend on the pulls and whatnot

[west crown]

Last 6 seconds of KB for master assassin and imp garrote

Or save it for certain spots where you will need to reapply mark

Like queen p2

[sly blade]

Alright, thank you very much!

[late tusk]

Im seeing a lot of rogues with different builds

do i guess that wowhead is the good one

[normal mist]

there is no "good" one

There are a alot of variations of the WoWhead one

Wowhead can be the go to build for most people

If you're looking to improve further and try new stuff, you can read the pins and change your build with new sims

[prisma sundial]

theres a lot of variation with MA/TTK and SD and SBS along with sub in the rogue tree

[normal mist]

this was the build that simmed the best for me, but as Eleem said this afternoon, sims are not taking into consideration the execute dmg from sudden demise. But everything is so close % wise that it doesnt matter

[round forum]

do i use vanish before the 2nd dm or wait for stacked kb for ma?

[normal mist]

with MA you vanish for MA the last 6secs of KB

[spare cargo]

Indiscriminate Carnage. How does this work? Is it nearby from me or the target ?

[normal mist]

target

[buoyant pier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

jeez

not having a battleshout is actually -100k loss

well close to it

[balmy condor]

yeah

5% agi is gud

[raw lodge]

https://i.imgur.com/JzCdkTW.png using this is troll right?

[limber lion]

Well...

[raw lodge]

no secondary stats

[limber lion]

Yes

[raw lodge]

wait

[humble verge]

sim it

:D

[raw lodge]

forgot that existed tbh

so many addons i forgot about

[limber lion]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[raw lodge]

ty

[limber lion]

np

[late tusk]

and the dif between Numbing poison and atrophic is relevant?

[limber lion]

they do different things

but atrophic for raid and numbing for mythic+ is a pretty safe pick

[normal mist]

its the most straight forward answer

[limber lion]

It's also a lie

[normal mist]

aight

[hushed tinsel]

hi guys, mage swapping rogue here. been lingering and watching... a bit. ive seen some plater profile but curious

[limber lion]

But yeah just nerd stuff which doesn't really matter

[limber lion]

Wassup

[hushed tinsel]

is it worth tracking fatal intent, bone spike, or even poisons

[limber lion]

No

None of them are relevant

[hushed tinsel]

good

❤️

[limber lion]

Poisons used to be slightly relevant because it's required for Venomous Wounds application

But now that we spread most of our bleeds with IC anyways and we press FoK on 2+ targets, it kinda doesn't really matter

[hushed tinsel]

same with mutilated flesh i assume

[limber lion]

Yes

And any trinket procs or whatever

[hushed tinsel]

thank you

[limber lion]

Np

[hushed tinsel]

any YT rec for guides? seen a few out there havent fully drilled in

[normal mist]

Whispyr on youtube

is a good start

[sullen steppe]

Does opener change in m+ if running subterfuge

[normal mist]

nop

[hushed tinsel]

lovely

[sullen steppe]

What changes about the gameplay?

[limber lion]

You vanish for KB

With MA

But that's about it

It just allows for more freedom in how you spread your bleeds and use your mark

[sullen steppe]

So if im running ironwire in keys nothing changes?

[normal mist]

you can take more advantage of it

but thats it

since you'll have more time to cast emp garrotes

[sullen steppe]

Alrighty tyvm

[prisma sundial]

are we vanishing when MA runs out after 12 secs in the opener

[limber lion]

Yes

[lyric stirrup]

Cev can i be annoying and ask what u are running currently for keys

[limber lion]

As in what talent build?

[lyric stirrup]

yeah! Sorry should’ve specified

[limber lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1299794840170664036/image.png?ex=671e7fc6&is=671d2e46&hm=a8dd2e5bd2225bd6495d345ce08e9ca972af3eb9d29dd4131425fcab823144ce&

I basically just run this all the time

Argument can be made for TTK instead of SD

[lyric stirrup]

i appreciate u, ty king

[limber lion]

If you want more single target dam/focus

Npnp

gl

[teal mist]

whats are crit and matery cap please?

our*

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sullen steppe]

Reading cooldown sequence for aoe, says to do DM > shiv > KB, is that only if you are running double shiv? otherwise just shiv at 8s left of kingsbane?

[worldly sail]

yes

[acoustic roost]

a fan of 2x more vanishes eh?

jkjk the channel was lit this morning XD

[fringe perch]

dont start it again

Those tea changes though

[alpine oracle]

if I havent had a weapon from vault would be a good idea to craft one for my offhand? or should i get for bracers for example??? my off hand is 626

[acoustic roost]

offhand dps doesnt matter

[blazing pumice]

no

[alpine oracle]

bracers then??

[blazing pumice]

if you don't have 2x embellishments yes

[acoustic roost]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[blazing pumice]

otherwise no

[alpine oracle]

Yeah, this will be my 4th crafted gear

[blazing pumice]

upgrade myth track gear before crafting

[alpine oracle]

I have main hand, belt+embellishment, boots+embellishment, should i go for the off hand already?

[acoustic roost]

dog we dont know your situation

if you mythic raid

or what you do. best learn to sim

[blazing pumice]

offhand is very low value, especially if you do the recraft tech

it's 10 ilvl for 90 gildeds

[alpine oracle]

I see, will sim then

[spice surge]

You should almost certainly not go for an offhand craft

Offhand is the literal worst slot on all of your gear

[alpine oracle]

yeah, by your experience, should i go for bracers then? instead of off hand

[blazing pumice]

conversely if you upgrade a myth track piece, 1. it's like 24 ilvl upgrade 2. the slots are more valuable

[normal mist]

guys i'm BRRRRing

[sand briar]

anyone know how much damage the shaman raid buff gives us?

[normal mist]

mists +9

[long mauve]

do we use Ambush at all?

kinda new to rogue tryna figure out ass

[acoustic roost]

pretty much all teh time. it applies our hero talen for the deathstalker class

[long mauve]

oh maybe i dont have it yet since im 71

[hallow pelican]

you can sim that yourself because its different for each player. Just de-select "skyfury" from the raid buffs section when you /simc

[acoustic roost]

you most definltey have it since you're level 71...if you chose deathstalker that is

[hallow pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-sure-if-its-real-or-fake-wren-corridor-crew-i-cant-sure-about-it-i-dont-know-if-its-real-or-not-gif-24934507

[long mauve]

I just said im new to rogue bruh

esp ass

never played ass before

[hallow pelican]

sorry ... when you play more assassination you'll understand my skepticism

[acoustic roost]

would recommend checking out the wow guide linked in the #assassination-faq channel

or watch Whispyr's vids on youtube

[long mauve]

okay thank you

I played a bit of outlaw in DF but thats about it

[hallow pelican]

its literally your opening spell on ... every type of pull

[worldly sail]

unless you already applied it before in m+

although i still usually open with ambush from bad muscle memory

[hallow pelican]

i had to train myself not to open with garrote anymore when i started playing rogue again this xpac

[fiery hornet]

do you guys know any good wa tracker for MA

??

[hallow pelican]

Id open and be like "fuck! stop doing that!"

[acoustic roost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[acoustic roost]

every wa pack has a MA tracker

[rose dirge]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[dawn heath]

m+ gamers

what do u guys think about teleporting out and respeccing ST just before last boss in siege of boralus to ST

should maybe be a time gain

we really suck on this last boss

[thorn fjord]

No way thats a time gain

[dawn heath]

you use the teleporter out when boss dies

then u run in

u spawn at the giant

while ur group runs down

and triggers rp

u should only delay the pull by 5-10seconds

[placid adder]

Try and let us know

[dawn heath]

unless ur computer is from the 90s

i mean im doing

like

700-850k on that boss

if i do like 900-1mil

that surely a big time gain

maybe 20-30s timegain

[coral ibex]

[dawn heath]

last boss in boralus

takes 5minutes

in a 14+ key

[scenic kiln]

let him cook

[dawn heath]

u see here

last boss

5:08

[balmy condor]

if your group is doing 3.5mil dps on the last boss

going to 3.6mil dps group dps saves 8 seconds

[dawn heath]

over 5 minutes? that math is no way correct

and its not 100k probably

its probably more like 2-300k

[balmy condor]

yes over 5 min

3.5mil dps over 5 min is 1.05bil

1.05bil/3.6mil

is 4:51.6

[real granite]

spec changes midkey are not viable until really high keys, and usually 2-3 members gotta do it, 1 members is usually whatever

[balmy condor]

it's actualyl

VERY easy math

that takes no more than 2 steps

[dawn heath]

i mean its probably a net neutral

i think the actual number is not 100k though

its probably 200k+

but would probably not be worth it

[coral ibex]

you have to gain more time than it takes you to go do the swap right

[dawn heath]

well yeah u dont lose much time cause ur forced to wait for the RP

[coral ibex]

or are you getting that done before you could pull the boss

[balmy condor]

here's the neat part about math and why I did 100k right

if 100k saves you 8 seconds

how much does 200k save you

:)

[dawn heath]

as i said

[coral ibex]

the fork on the left

[dawn heath]

it delays the pull by 10-15s tops

[balmy condor]

you can pick whatever number you'd like

[dawn heath]

if that even

so it would probably be a time neutral

[hallow pelican]

I havent taken advanced calculus in a few years, but the time saved also pushes past certain mechanics which is more like a logirithmic gain than 2 x 8 = 16

[balmy condor]

I mean we're talking time save though

purely on dps

there's no mechanics to skip here

[hallow pelican]

true ... well not true ... think of dispels

[fleet pagoda]

everything is gated by hp

[balmy condor]

okay, I'm thinking

[hallow pelican]

you push past the firsttentacle before u need to dispel again, thats a time save overall on the NEXT tentacle because u have that CD

again ... there are other things that the increase affords u

[balmy condor]

[fleet pagoda]

idk who's dispel is increasing my throughput but I want it

[spice spire]

I’m sorry king

[balmy condor]

I don't think that really makes a whole ton of sense but whatever floats your boat man

[hallow pelican]

dont be angry im just saying ... less mechanics is a good thing that can save time

[balmy condor]

I'm not angry at all

I am in my zen

[hallow pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-look-arnold-jackson-diffrent-strokes-somethings-fishy-i-dont-trust-it-gif-17310358175046866525

[balmy condor]

I just simply think you're wrong

and I'm content with that

[dawn heath]

so ye

not a big time gain

[balmy condor]

he pulled out the kalky

[dawn heath]

8.34

s

per 100k

i will say though

having multiple people do this is 100% worth it

there is nothing to aruge about there

if everyone can gain 200k~~+ and we also delay the pull by 15s

[vagrant tapir]

does anyone know of an in-game addon that shows what builds are most played on a boss?

[dawn heath]

that would be a decent time gain

[vagrant tapir]

essentially the wcl aggregate top 100 or w/e

[novel parcel]

Help I got scammed. How do I not get scammed like this

[weary holly]

elusiveness + feint / evas

[fleet pagoda]

cast cloak .5 seconds later or use evasion/feint

[novel parcel]

I used evasion for the 1st :(

[weary holly]

feint up?

[novel parcel]

The thing is

Is I've seen others cloak it

Which is my issue

They take 0 damage

[fleet pagoda]

if cloak is in it's first second of duration when retch goes off you can immune it

[novel parcel]

But my cloak is just like lol no you die now

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

So I was what like, .5 seconds to early?

[weary holly]

cloak later ye

[novel parcel]

Thats wild

Thanks yall

[blazing pumice]

cloak has a full immunity the first second or whatever, then magic resist after

[novel parcel]

Thats wild LOL

I love this game

[fleet pagoda]

it's a lesson we all learn the hard way on that boss

[novel parcel]

I've also now learned the hard way :(

[mint valve]

what keys could you actually drop ironwire on and be okay?

mist, dawn, siege?

are there any other?

[blazing pumice]

no

why would you do that

[mint valve]

because you can cover all group kicks?

[rose dirge]

yeah dont drop iron wire

if you silence mobs

[worthy axle]

I mean ironwire + MA/Subter is insane control

[blazing pumice]

it has a damage reduction component too

[rose dirge]

everyone does more dmg

[mint valve]

why would you need iron wire on mist.. tell me that.

[worthy axle]

It is 15% less dmg

[rose dirge]

also damage reduc

[worthy axle]

Prob matters on the last stretch

[mint valve]

the part where theres one staghorn you gotta kick?

that one?

[worthy axle]

I mean people are people, it aint perfect

[blazing pumice]

mists is probably the only case you could make for dropping it, but i still wouldn't bother

[fleet pagoda]

I don't think Ironwire affects the staghorns at all. the first segment of the dungeon has some casters too, though

[mint valve]

i think there are more keys you can drop it in, i was just thinking there would be more discussion for it and not just 'NEVER DROP IRON WIRE' lol

[worthy axle]

I mean SURE you can drop it, but how much dmg is that 1 point giving?

[blazing pumice]

it's a 1% dps gain

[worthy axle]

What does the sim say when you sim it

[mint valve]

you take MA for it

because you go normal hybrid build from last patch

and instead of iron wire you go MA

so its pretty big no?

[worthy axle]

Dont you just do the MA subter TTK build now if you want MA?

[mint valve]

especially with 2x subterfube

yeah but you dont have to drop

doomblades and sbs

[fleet pagoda]

I have that without dropping those, just dropped SB and demise

[worthy axle]

That's what im running

When I dont want ironwire

for super low keys

[mint valve]

yeah id take demise over ttk

[dawn heath]

don't want iron wire 💀

[worthy axle]

for 7s and shit it dont matter

[mint valve]

but all the keys you do want iron wire you take it

[worthy axle]

Im stuck in grimbatol hell

[mint valve]

i was talking primarily 12+

[dawn heath]

there is no way u dont take iron wire in grim batol

[worthy axle]

Bruh its a 7 and everything dies in seconds

[mint valve]

i didnt list gb in one of the dungeons you dont take it in.. LOL

[dawn heath]

its like the best duengon for it

[mint valve]

mist, dawn, siege.. and... ??? is that it?

not sure.

[worthy axle]

Me and a few friends are slamming it trying to get skardyns and shit falls over

Anything above i take it

But 2dps+paladin tank above 625ilvl shit just dies

[lusty steeple]

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[gloomy hinge]

Is there a plater for all rogue buffs?

Like bleeds

And like bleed icon shining when about to run out or something?

[normal mist]

literally above you

like

[gloomy hinge]

But i dint want my current plater to change

I just want like the buff ids that get tracked

[normal mist]

whispyrs plater does exactly that

[gloomy hinge]

Cause im using quaziia which highlights caster priorities aswell as purple

Oh okay

[late tusk]

Can i simc my self with items that i dont have?

[gloomy hinge]

I might have to get that then, are prio kicks highlighted in that too?

[late tusk]

to see how my dmg would chagne?

[gloomy hinge]

Yes

U can add itrms at the top if thw screen

[late tusk]

dont see it tbh

[sullen steppe]

How much energy do we pool before sending DM + KB, is it just >50%?

[normal mist]

in my experience you don't really need to pool for DM + KB, you'll be full energy once you hit DM really fast

[tired gull]

can type the item and set ilvl there

topgear

[sullen steppe]

ooh so it doubling the effects also doubles the energy return?

[normal mist]

yeah

It's pretty hard to go out of energy during DM

[thick sable]

Idk how or why but just had a 16.7mil Envenom crit. Did the other world bosses and my highest was 4.2mil

[desert cove]

I wonder how long it will be until Whispyr makes another pinned message about people asking asinine questions about everything

[normal mist]

stonevault?

[thick sable]

Doomwalker world boss

[normal mist]

critter

[young flicker]

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[normal mist]

or lvl30 mobs around the boss

[thick sable]

Nope

[normal mist]

then scalling fucked up

[thick sable]

Only 1 target hit

Doomwalker and nothing else

[random comet]

is there a weakaura that glow up debuffs i could cloak off?

[waxen oyster]

probably scaling weird

my mandate crit doomwalker for 10m

[normal mist]

horseman

[glacial scroll]

Is this a bug or something i am messing up anyone else is experiencing? The first ambush wont apply deathstalker sometimes. I am sheathed, dont press any other buttons but it just wont apply occasionally. Any idea what I may be doing wrong or is this a bug?

[tired gull]

doomwalker has some weird scaling stuff, every character i've killed him on has something that hits for multiple 10s of millions

[slim pebble]

I had a level 10 DH doing 14 million in a LFR BRD on bosses lol

[prisma sundial]

same this one dk carried us through one shotting the bosses

dont know how that happens cause i was the same level as him and did max like 10k dps

[peak saffron]

??

[balmy condor]

what

[peak saffron]

am i high or are they

[tired gull]

could be both tbh