assassination

[strange python]

ok so this is better

[prime hull]

The loss of bonespike seems to be a loss in both single target and in aoe due to ramp time. I don't understand why people are running it.

[gritty laurel]

because you're playing assassin, we don't do great ST in dungeons

[limpid hearth]

I was referring to bros numbered order

Insane

[hollow cedar]

I mean on 10s my targets die before dm and kb are halfway done, + he probably does bigger pulls and just plays better and has more gear

[subtle tundra]

yes we do dogass ST, but showing logs cant hurt

[warm flint]

would pick master assassin and drop demise and yep

[subtle tundra]

maybe youre doing something bad

[warm flint]

especially if you're playing subturfuge, ma gets huge

[strange python]

ok thank you!

[hollow warren]

can I just post the logs in here?

[subtle tundra]

MA is huge yes but the diff should be kinda small on the meters by the end

and id rather drop sanguine blades

[warm flint]

sb>demise, but most top rogues drop both for ma and ttk anyways rn

[subtle tundra]

sureu go for it

[prisma tundra]

if i want st dmg i just swap sudden demise for ttk now right?

[lofty acorn]

Heyo, can anyone help with my query, I don't know if it's a bug on logs but looking at multiple runs on Wowlogs for dungeons, there's a lot of people running Echoing Reprimand, with only 1 point in supercharger and 1 point in lethality? Is someone abusing a bug or? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JLZ2jzpaAxyRDfW4#fight=2&type=summary&source=52

[subtle tundra]

idk when i simmed demise was better

[warm flint]

depends on the key and diffic ofc, but sb does huge on high keys with aoe pulls

mostly around %7-8 of my overall if i'm playing with it

nvm maybe 5-5.5 it aint that big 😄

[hollow warren]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fTFaZmG7wgdHDVjK#fight=6&type=damage-done&target=27&start=3903946&end=4052234

[normal mist]

my biggest overall so far, +9 myst

[hollow warren]

thats my log for first boss in Grim batol for example

[dusty crescent]

so people AREN'T using whispyr's hybrid build anymore?

or has he just not updated it

[normal mist]

variations of it

there are 124124213 possible builds

[faint vessel]

The wowhead hybrid build is the starting point

[normal mist]

yeah

[hexed frost]

Sudden demise anyways does like 2-3% damage max. Not worth for high keys I guess

[dusty crescent]

just sim from that point

sim from the base hybrid

[subtle tundra]

idk german

[normal mist]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaa

[limpid hearth]

Hybrid is still the way to go under 12s

[faint vessel]

Depending on key level and personal preference you can pick 2 from 4 talents

[dusty crescent]

yeah figured

[modest nexus]

what build?

[hollow warren]

there is a translate button

[faint vessel]

The pin describes the most basic swaps from hybrid to the TTK M+ variant, it’s still basically hybrids

[hexed frost]

That fury getting afk boosted kek

[hollow warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fTFaZmG7wgdHDVjK#fight=6&type=damage-done&target=27&start=3903946&end=4052234&source=7&translate=true here is the english version

[normal mist]

618 fury 622 BM

[faint vessel]

Like someone else already said, for anything under 12 you might as well just hybrid from wowhead

[quasi cape]

Where is that hybrid build

[limpid hearth]

Wowhead

[normal mist]

which one

[faint vessel]

The current wowhead M+ build

If you’re unsure

[quasi cape]

Thx

[normal mist]

oh yeah my name answers a lot of questions i forgot

[faint vessel]

That’s true

[uneven marsh]

hey, do we CT on only 2 targets ? or only 3+ ?

[normal mist]

2

2 CT
3 FoK

[uneven marsh]

ok thank you Royal.

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

Ct and garrote dmg

[hexed frost]

Get an aug (disgusting to even use the word)

[subtle tundra]

whats this you did some random foks and a blind

[lavish finch]

WHJAT IS GOING ON ? EXPLOIT?

[normal mist]

daaaang thats actually so cool!

[hollow warren]

I did blind for affix

[limpid hearth]

Brother seek help

[hollow warren]

same with FOK from orbs

[normal mist]

you spamming is exploit

[subtle tundra]

ok yea i havent done a key with the affix in a long time srry

[hollow warren]

dont worry 😄

[faint vessel]

It’s probably just a build bug between log and the website

[lavish finch]

It's on logs

and they have the dmg from echo

[subtle tundra]

yea you did nothing wrong

[lavish finch]

and seems to have the buff from lethality

[faint vessel]

Well maybe you found a sweet exploit

[subtle tundra]

everything seemed fine

[faint vessel]

Outlaw style time

[lofty acorn]

It's from the log, but it's also shown on the rio talent page, seems iffy

[normal mist]

i have no idea what you're yapping

[limpid hearth]

Who cares stop spamming

[drowsy hatch]

He's cracked the code though

[subtle tundra]

worst thing you did was go into kb without envenom up but envenom was straight after so it literally doesnt matter
assa st is just bad

[jagged wasp]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[drowsy hatch]

This is what will get assa nerfed

[hollow warren]

hm okay seems weird cuz I really feel energy starved

[subtle tundra]

thats very correct

[hollow warren]

and also I am much lower compared to other assa rogues I had with me dps wise in ST

[faint vessel]

You will feel that in ST in M+ build

[limpid hearth]

Imagine exploiting to get… cursed er

[normal mist]

did you manage to understand what he meant?

[limpid hearth]

Nope

[lofty acorn]

It could be logs that are older than patch and showing the new talent layout on top of the old spending of talents

[drowsy hatch]

He's just looking at old logs

Thinking they're the new talents. Yeah like that

[dusty crescent]

lol

[normal mist]

Damn

you fucking exploiters

smh

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[drowsy hatch]

If you played the game before this patch

You're a filthy exploiter

And I hope you get permad

[normal mist]

[dapper halo]

my understanding is not required

[empty pagoda]

the perfect kingsbane. God I love MA

[normal mist]

damn

that was juicy

[coral shard]

Hey, does twist the knife change the way we play at all?

[normal mist]

you can use envenom more often

instead of just waiting for it to be in pandemic

you can pretty much just "full send"

since we're also not using VV

[coral shard]

Fair enough, but on low energy should just be waiting for pandemic right?

[normal mist]

yeah if you go low, just play the waiting game a bit

and then resume to smashing

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if you're at 1 Envenom

[coral shard]

sounds good enough, also what was the change that made us go to Master Assassin/Subterfuge?

Also is there like a different prio in that window?

[normal mist]

subt was changed which made it good

[limber lion]

The fact that Subterfuge works with MA and is twice as long

And no.

[limber lion]

You want KB during it, that's it

Go ham

[coral shard]

oh

I see

Thanks for the help

[grand trail]

!wA

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[hexed frost]

We now playing subterfuge

Tf

[faint vessel]

been a few days!

[hexed frost]

What happened to thebhybrid buukd

*build

[limber lion]

Still fine

[warm vortex]

Fixed my dps breadkwon

:D

[faint vessel]

its on wowhead, its still hybrid, just has subterfuge

[normal mist]

i did a bunch of dungeonslice sims and this build was my best simming one so far

[limber lion]

CT should be higher but yeah

looks fine

[serene solar]

This discord just runs in circles all day lol.

[normal mist]

Like it should

:3

[hexed frost]

Lmaaaaooo I swear

[limber lion]

Does it though?

[normal mist]

yeah, the builds talk is all goddamn day

[limber lion]

Subterfuge has never been the build

[warm vortex]

yeye

[normal mist]

it is since patch day

[limber lion]

Finally getting some play

[drowsy hatch]

It's fair for it to be mostly build talk when there's so many builds

[hollow warren]

Quick question, whats the pandemic of envenom buff?

[limber lion]

30% just like any other pandemic

[hollow warren]

so its at 2sec?

[hoary acorn]

Hi guys, one quick question about new Supercharged points. Do they get consumed anytime i use a finisher, or if cast them with exactly that point?

[limber lion]

Assuming you finish at 5+, it's 1.5s

[normal mist]

consumed on finisher

[hollow warren]

ah okay thank you!

is there a weakaura for ttk envenom buff?

[normal mist]

yes

[limber lion]

Yeah but they're not really necessary

[hollow warren]

mine doesnt seem to work

[limber lion]

Honestly pretty useless

[hollow warren]

dont u wanna refresh the oldest buff on pandemic?

[drowsy hatch]

Whispyrs WA has the duration

But you just kinda send it in st

[faint vessel]

Lisonna has a stand-alone as well

!wa

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[faint vessel]

Damn auto correct

[slate crown]

u caled me lisbon

[faint vessel]

You are henceforth Lisbon

[lime bloom]

[drowsy hatch]

Congratulations on being Portuguese

[faint vessel]

Lurking Lisbon

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah

another portuguese

[warm vortex]

Anyway

just +2ed a 10

gonan try my first ever 12

[normal mist]

Lis welcome to portugal

[warm vortex]

that being a CoT 12 with pugs

[limber lion]

Yeah but getting 3 b2b2b Envenoms at 5+ CP is pretty tough

You still need to generate cp's for each

the second you hit your 2nd Envenom, you're already 3s into the first Envenom

[shut garnet]

this part of iron wire doesn't actually function on mobs that arent 'silenceable' right? like bosses, elites etc

[limber lion]

Before you finish for 3rd Envenom, you're like 6-7s into the first Envenom

[primal jolt]

how are my favourite braindead class enjoyers doing

[limber lion]

So it's already in pandemic or dropped

[limber lion]

No

[normal mist]

Yo whats up pino

chillin

[primal jolt]

yo, weird not having slice and dice ngl

[slate crown]

It basically only matters when you have supercharger envenoms going HOWEVER if that's happening you're using shiv and if you're in shiv you're not pooling and waiting anyways you're spamming

so like

[drowsy hatch]

Just using wake of ashes as always

[lost grotto]

Feels amazing imo xD

[slate crown]

The WA can predict pandemic for you to wait for

but does it matter?

[limber lion]

It does not

[slate crown]

Yeah

[limber lion]

is the answer

[slate crown]

It's ok tho

[primal jolt]

now we just need to get rid of the mastery buff on tea

[slate crown]

I'm going to convince myself it matters

[normal mist]

all i know is

[slate crown]

to justify the work

[normal mist]

i like it there

[errant elbow]

Is anyone here able to help me with a macro?

[limber lion]

Sure

What do you need?

[lost grotto]

Why does it bother you there

[zealous crag]

Hey guys ! I craft my 2 embelish. Do you recommand to craft more for ilvl ?

[limber lion]

You don't use it for mastery anyways so

[primal jolt]

it doesn't bother me, i just want more people to enjoy rogue

[slate crown]

I'm almost done with the envenom work for good before I move onto sub because I think I can make something that is actually useful

[drowsy hatch]

!crafts

What is it

[slate crown]

!craft

[normal mist]

remove the ass

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[drowsy hatch]

Dumb me.

[lost grotto]

Imagine more people in here xd

[primal jolt]

damn you're right

i take it back

[limber lion]

I highly doubt there is a single person in the world

[errant elbow]

I copy and pasted the Tea macro but it does not use the tea ever.

[limber lion]

Who goes "oh tea gives mastery, guess I'm not playing Rogue then"

What is the tea macro?

[errant elbow]

It uses shiv both times but never the tea

[lost grotto]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[errant elbow]

That one

[primal jolt]

didn't mean literally tea, i just think rogue is overall too hard for newbies

[errant elbow]

I can stream it and show you if you want

[drowsy hatch]

Is tea on your bars still

[lost grotto]

I miss combat rogue xd

[normal mist]

no

[primal jolt]

replaced with the filth

[lost grotto]

Exactly

[limber lion]

Assa is one of the easier specs in the game

[primal jolt]

kappachungus

[drowsy hatch]

I elect to wake of ashes you instead

[lost grotto]

I never played ret pala but that looks ez

[tulip fern]

I think on aoe assa is pretty brainless, gets a little harder when full st but still not too bad

though that was when we needed to pool

[limber lion]

Idk it works fine for me.

Are you sure you copied it exactly as is

[errant elbow]

Yep

[limber lion]

Let's see a screenshot of the macro

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/deported-deportation-trump-gif-7230247

Get out

[lost grotto]

[limber lion]

Okay

And you have Tea talented?

Try reloading idk

[errant elbow]

I have reloaded and relogged. I have tea on my bar and it never uses it. It does use shiv

[normal mist]

stupid question

did you replace your normal shiv by the macro shiv?

[limber lion]

Do you use stealth bars?

[drowsy hatch]

Ive totally done that

Just keeping the normal ability and not the macro

[limber lion]

If you use stealth bars, you gotta replace the Shiv thingy twice

[errant elbow]

I am not stealhed. I just walk up to a dummy and hit the macro

[normal mist]

can you record it?

[formal cliff]

[errant elbow]

I can stream it into one of the voice channels if you want to see it

[lost grotto]

The marco doesnt use your tea

[normal mist]

marco?

[formal cliff]

pollo

[drowsy hatch]

Polo

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/marco-marco-one-piece-sad-cry-whitebeard-pirates-gif-1487763167099612051

[raw lodge]

polo

[lost grotto]

[normal mist]

y'all were right

[queen cosmos]

mythic kyveza is the evasion dr talent even worth it?

[spice surge]

Its good

[limber lion]

Elusiveness is very good everywhere

[spice surge]

Not sure if you mean evasion or bait n switch

[queen cosmos]

i am talking about longer cloak vs evasion sry

[limber lion]

I mean oops

[spice surge]

But either way theyre good

[limber lion]

Longer Cloak ❎

Bait and Switch goated

No more flensing knives

[spice surge]

Kyveza is like the only fight where longer cloak is a contender (obv without flensing)

[slow snow]

If you’re running cheat death are you even a real rogue?

[spice surge]

But i still think bait n switch is better

[woeful meteor]

with flensing knifes actually removed now bait and switch is better

[limber lion]

That's weird considering we've been running Cheat Death for over 10 years now

[gloomy tusk]

which build are you using for raid?

[raw lodge]

Rogues are known cheats

It's in the name

[queen cosmos]

whats flensing knives?

[normal mist]

was

was a removed hero talent

[woeful meteor]

a talent that gave more melee dmg, they removed in beta you still got when talenting long cloak

[slow snow]

Elusiveness is just too OP not to use

[dark merlin]

how can rogues break ascendant affix?

[drowsy hatch]

Flensing knives my goat

[slow snow]

Blind a mob it will work. Don’t blind the orbs.

[faint vessel]

Blind on a mob that isn’t the affix

If you blind the orb it only hits the one you targeted

[drowsy hatch]

Run with a class that's better at doing the affix

[faint vessel]

^

[hexed frost]

Blind the mob, boss with airborne irritant. All orbs get dispelled

[dusty crescent]

yep

[faint vessel]

You can also garrote spam them to conserve grouo CDs

Like in between pulls or on vanish

[coral ibex]

how are you garrotting them when they hold you in combat

[drowsy hatch]

My preferred method is to yell at a monk to ring of peace them

[coral ibex]

VANISH TO GARROTE THE AFFIX

aint no way

[faint vessel]

If you drop combat as they came up

I didn’t say vanish to garrote then

[lost grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-explosion-gif-24686375

[novel wedge]

Whats the consensus running MA and twist vs DB/ BS?

[hexed frost]

[faint vessel]

If you did happen to vanish you can garrote them. It’s 12s now so

[slow snow]

Once I’m in stealth nothing bringing me back out other than doing my dmg on mobs.

[faint vessel]

Pretty often they overlap

[coral ibex]

yea just make your party do the affix

[true elbow]

the only reason to take double vanish reight ? 😂

[normal mist]

Just sim and check what sims best for you

[coral ibex]

our one button to deal with it only works with real mobs around

[drowsy hatch]

It's good and generally seems like it sims higher then sb sd

Than

[spice surge]

Worth keeping in mind the sim only uses the +10% bleed damage from demise

[novel wedge]

ty

[spice surge]

It doesnt even try to approximate the execute effects

[limber lion]

"but it's only loss prevention reeee"

[drowsy hatch]

I didn't know that bit, but I see. It's all pretty close seeming anywho

[spice surge]

Yepyep, but it still ends up being like 1-5% depending on keylevel (with lower keys having higher value from it)

[river bloom]

BIS Trinkets for assa? anything changed?

[limber lion]

"but you could have spent that time using envenoms instead ree"

[coral ibex]

only ever seen SD contribute approx 2% of my overall in a 10, pretty sure my farts do more

[vocal cradle]

i think transmitter sims a bit higher than skardens

[limber lion]

That's already 2% extra that the sim doesn't account for

On top of the 10% bleed dam

[coral ibex]

bleeds that dont do dam other than CT and require me to spend energy and CP that could be more envenoms

[subtle tundra]

2% dps pretty good

you dont min max it

[limber lion]

huh

You don't play around it

Anyways

this is bis build m+ forever and ever

maybe ttk instead of sudden demise

anything else is crazy talk

[vagrant brook]

i mean

bleeds do plenty of dmg

[coral ibex]

idk why your spatter is so low

my spatter is nearly 2x the next highest contributor

[vagrant brook]

small pulls i guess

[uncut sluice]

How does subterfuge change your Rotation?

so when opening out of stealthj

[limber lion]

Doesn't by much

[uncut sluice]

any more ambush used?

[coral ibex]

it just means you can cleave bleeds for longer

[dark merlin]

is sanguin blades bad now compared to MA?

[limber lion]

You can just spread bleeds more

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

No, it's still very good but we just don't have the points to take it

[coral ibex]

in reality you dont cleave bleeds any longer, you are just getting MA duration during your actual cooldowns

[winged sun]

Ceverion

What’s subterfuge for?

[leaden raven]

@normal mist

[normal mist]

yo

[winged sun]

Idk what subterfuge does for assa

Someone explain

[limber lion]

Big MA windows, more IW utility, spreading bleeds with IC for longer

[humble verge]

with MA, more uptime

[limber lion]

Just offers more flexibility

[coral ibex]

literally just explained it

like 30 seconds ago

[winged sun]

Oh

[strange cypress]

why would u take 1% crit over another stealth?

[limber lion]

Can fit Kingsbane entirely in it

[winged sun]

It gives more aoe rupture time too ya?

[prime sable]

!wa

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[limber lion]

Because I don't care about 1 additional stealth in my dungeon

[coral ibex]

WAT is low value, you only get 1-2 more stealths per dungeon

[limber lion]

13 stealths vs 14 stealths

doesn't matter

[normal mist]

?

[strange cypress]

what about chain pulls?

if i dont play with a pre tank

[limber lion]

Learn to position better

[coral ibex]

you only get 1-2 more stealths

[limber lion]

Or don't care about it

[strange cypress]

they chainpull and im fucked?

[coral ibex]

like idk how else to say it

WAT doesn't double your vanishes

[limber lion]

Well that talent would help with one case

Literally one chainpull

that's it

[formal cliff]

get gooder

[coral ibex]

you get a singular additional vanish

[limber lion]

If your tank chains everything, you're fucked anyways

[coral ibex]

sometimes 2

[strange cypress]

but i could use it like

[coral ibex]

WAT is like if you got to save up 1 vanish cd before the key starts

thats it

[mossy fossil]

Hi, when i have 1 supercharge combopoint, when do i finish? With exact 5 combopoints (than it is if i had used 7 combopoints)? Or with 7 combopoints (than it is if i had used 9 combopoints)

[strange cypress]

5 times orsomething

or when a boss spanws adds

[limber lion]

No you cannot

[coral ibex]

no

[limber lion]

No you cannot

[coral ibex]

wtf

[formal cliff]

no

[limber lion]

It's not 2x vanishesx

[spice surge]

vanish is still 2 min cd

[limber lion]

literally read what it does

[iron carbon]

No, cause cd are not separated

[limber lion]

It still a 2 minute cd

Not 1 min

[coral ibex]

you generate 1 vanish per 2m

you can have up to 2

so you get 1 more vanish in a dungeon

[faint vessel]

You can only recharge 1 vanish at a time. You’re only ever able to be ahead 1 vanish recharge

[limber lion]

It is the worst "damage" talent in the tree.

[strange cypress]

wait

[normal mist]

If their cds were independand tho

[steel geyser]

Only point to play 2 vanish is for iron wire value, shouldn't matter for most ppl

[normal mist]

that would be a banger

[coral ibex]

yea bro its a shit talent when you realize what it actually does

[limber lion]

Would be crazy strong

[coral ibex]

people read WAT as "double the vanishes"

its not

[limber lion]

Not happening

[coral ibex]

its 1 more vanish

[normal mist]

ik 😦

[strange cypress]

2 charges but when i use when it doesnt automatically go on cd it only goes on cd after i use both?

[spice surge]

Apologies if people seem agressive, but this is a very common thing to argue about around these parts

[coral ibex]

it does go on CD

you start generating another after 2m

[limber lion]

They do not have independent, individual cds

[coral ibex]

if you spend 2 vanishes asap, you have to wait 4m before you ahve 2 charges again

[steel geyser]

Having 2 charges of a spell only gets you one extra cast the whole dungeon, as long as you us it on cool down

[coral ibex]

which is exactly the same as having 1 vanish charge

[normal mist]

double vanish works exactly like double shiv

[strange cypress]

sp i have 1 charge and one that is recharging ?

[coral ibex]

if it generated 2 charges per 2m, it would be sick

but thats not what WAT is

[limber lion]

Yes, and if you use the 2nd charge, you're still only recharging one

[quaint knoll]

Why are there so many gnome rogues...

[spice surge]

Queen ansurek

[strange cypress]

no i jsut tested it when i press it it goes on cd so i have 2 charges 2 cooldowns 2 vanishes

[iron carbon]

Oh? Why?

[formal cliff]

better than dracthyr rogue

[strange cypress]

how can this not be better especially in puggin

[formal cliff]

ok grandpa, time to go to bed

[strange cypress]

over 1 crit%?

[limber lion]

Yes and then you wait 4 minutes for 2 vanishes

[faint vessel]

Because yoi only get one extra vanish

[limber lion]

It's the 10% crit damage that is the thing

[coral ibex]

you do not understand how it works

[limber lion]

Not the 1% crit

You get 10% crit damage on ALL garrotes and Kingsbane

And on FOK

[strange cypress]

yea but if i use 1 vanish after 1 min it meants i can use vanish every minute

[spice surge]

On mythic the roots have a very large amount of HP and theres blades like 3 seconds after they spawn. Without being a gnome rogues cant remove all of them by themselves

[limber lion]

Which procs more MOmentum of Despair

[limber lion]

No you cannot

[formal cliff]

LMAO

[iron carbon]

No

[limber lion]

Brother

[formal cliff]

He's cooked

[coral ibex]

ok so you spend 2 vanishes and then YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR 2 MINUTES TO GET ANOTHER CHARGE BACK

[limber lion]

Can you read what we're saying

[crimson jackal]

Did ma get nerfed for us?

[limber lion]

Jesus

[mossy fossil]

Hi, when i have 1 supercharge combopoint, when do i finish? With exact 5 combopoints (than it is if i had used 7 combopoints)? Or with 7 combopoints (than it is if i had used 9 combopoints)

[keen umbra]

you press your first minute 1, your 2nd minute 2, the third one minute 3 and the next one is minute 5 and every 2 minutes from there

[limber lion]

Yes by 5%

[coral ibex]

now you're just trolling

[normal mist]

pins

[strange cypress]

but listen

[coral ibex]

the cd is not 1m

its 2m

[iron carbon]

Hoooooo, thank you

[coral ibex]

NO YOU LISTEN

[limber lion]

Okay forget him

[crimson jackal]

Reeee

[limber lion]

He's just trolling

[coral ibex]

YOU ARE WRONG

[formal cliff]

I'll link whispyr video about WAT wait

[lost grotto]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[strange cypress]

talent into it for a second

and use one cast

[coral ibex]

brother

read the spell

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange cypress]

it goes instanly on cd for me

[coral ibex]

the cooldown is 2m

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[normal mist]

if you use 2 back to back

youll generate 1

[drowsy hatch]

Don't worry about supercharger, just do 5+ without dn, 7 with dn

[normal mist]

and 2 minutes later

the other one

[coral ibex]

holy cow

brother just talent WAT and stop typing

clearly you wanna use it

spare us

[faint vessel]

you will only ever vanish every 2m other than one extra vanish which you could choose to use whenever

[limber lion]

Do this for me:

Talent into it
Press Vanish
Wait 1 minute
Press Vanish again
Wait 1 Minute
Press Vanish again
Wait 1 minute
Press Vanish again

Do this

Let's see you perform magic tricks

[iron carbon]

Guess your brain is not geared enough to understand

[limber lion]

Or rather

[strange cypress]

why are you all mad when im legit just asking tho

[normal mist]

no bro

we answered

[limber lion]

Because we explained it 178 times

And you refuse to listen

[coral ibex]

because we have spent 5 minutes answering in every possible iteration

and you just go BUT YOU GET MORE VANISHES

[limber lion]

Literally explained it with so many different examples and ways

And you don't understand or refuse to understand

[mossy fossil]

sorry what is dn?

[limber lion]

Deez Nuts

[normal mist]

darkest night

[coral ibex]

darkest night

[limber lion]

Get rekt

idiot

[limber lion]

🕺

[formal cliff]

https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE?si=g_H4Kpc1-SDejf8b&t=2589 @strange cypress

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah all those

[formal cliff]

Watch

That shit

Not shit really, the video is great

But watch it

[spice surge]

Impeccable production quality on that thumbnail

The man truly outdid himself with that one

@balmy condor

[formal cliff]

Assa factory

[craggy glacier]

Impeccable

[placid egret]

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-a-question-question-ask-can-i-ask-ive-got-a-question-for-you-gif-19334791

[strange cypress]

wat is this

[coral ibex]

kilogram of steel

[normal mist]

a video

[limber lion]

It's a video.

[drowsy hatch]

It's my memoirs

[limber lion]

I can understand not understanding how Without a Trace works

But not knowing what a video is

Is beyond me

[formal cliff]

youtube.com famous scam link

[hexed frost]

Imma get a raidbot premium just to sim the gazillion possible builds

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[limber lion]

I don't think there's that many builds

There's like 1 or 2 that are actually worth playing

[coral ibex]

there's like 3 builds

[formal cliff]

LMAO i wasnt expecting that

[limber lion]

Everything else is just fluff

[coral ibex]

you either play MA/TTK/subt or MA/SD/subt or some non-MA build

[sudden sigil]

in terms of using crests, after getting MH wep in max where is biggest DPS upgrade to send ?
Trinkets or tier pieces?

[formal cliff]

What about WAT

[limber lion]

You have to sim yourself.

[formal cliff]

[limber lion]

We do not have the answer to that

[coral ibex]

you can play wat if you want

[formal cliff]

Will i get 1 cast every 1 minute?

[spice surge]

Simming yourself is the best. But generally chest/legs/helm/trinkets

[coral ibex]

its just a dps loss compared to 1/2 lethality

[normal mist]

you can sim that too

[coral ibex]

only with new PTR build

[limber lion]

Damn getting slow

Must be the age

[normal mist]

Eleem is surely younger than me

[limber lion]

I answered it as well

[spice surge]

Surely

[limber lion]

Like 2 minutes ago

[sudden sigil]

is there any efficient way to sim this?

[limber lion]

Not really

But yeah

[spice spire]

Cev old as fuck

[limber lion]

Yes

Just use Droptimizer

[spice surge]

Topgear has a small + by your items where you can upgrade it

[coral ibex]

or top gear

[spice surge]

And at the top you can change how many crests you have

[coral ibex]

top gear just takes a gorillion years to sim multiple possible upgrades

[spice surge]

It wont use more than you've enabled it to use

[sudden sigil]

ty!

[normal mist]

this also works

[limber lion]

It sure does, just like Eleem and Subterfuge Enjoyer said

Again beaten by 2 people

unlucky

[normal mist]

y'all drank coffee for sure

this chat looks like outlaw in a good day

[limber lion]

It's not even moving fast anymore

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cordeiro-yui-alana-yui-alana-cordeiro-anime-alana-cordeiro-anime-gif-20998171

[limber lion]

It was pretty wild with the double vanish guy

[drowsy hatch]

It's funny with that, if wat worked like how he wanted, it would be so insanely goated it wouldn't even be a conversation

[spice spire]

Damn I missed some sauce

[limber lion]

Double vanish would legitimately be bonkers

[late gulch]

so atm i got void reaper contract(hc),candlestick(Champ),crystal(hc) and mandate(hc) what combo would be best for keys? sims says crystal/candle. but candle giving me hastye makes me wonder if its rly the best

[coral ibex]

sim it

[limber lion]

Yes

Just trust the sim

[late gulch]

ok 🙂

[molten flicker]

I always see the bosses get debuffed with blind if I use it on them, idk if it works or not but it shows up on your plater profile

[warm vortex]

Nooo

just overtimed 12

barely

people stacked on tank in last boss of CoT :(

[subtle tundra]

finally got my last 13

fuck stonevault

[limber lion]

omg how much damage did you do!

[subtle tundra]

we had a full wipe

[dusty crescent]

i did 4m st on halloween event against horseman

[subtle tundra]

this game is something else man

[dusty crescent]

everyone celebrate me

[subtle tundra]

66 feints

suck my cock

[humble verge]

with elusive i assume

[subtle tundra]

ofc you cant do the dungeon without elusiveness

[hollow warren]

Is there a way to make a tricks macro without having to change tank name all the time?

[subtle tundra]

you literally cant do it

[humble verge]

true

fuck stonevault

[limber lion]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[humble verge]

them making it non gcd is just godlike

[subtle tundra]

yea for trash packs

its goated

for ST it still sucks

25 energy

[humble verge]

ye

[subtle tundra]

i have proc'd tea from it

LOL

[humble verge]

xD

[elfin valley]

varas ur running without a trace i assume its for timing/iron wire?

[subtle tundra]

its cause im pugging

and not iron wire

[slim pebble]

Feint not being on the GCD is really messing with me lol

Like I hit it and just sit there not hitting any buttons

[subtle tundra]

having to hold DM cause of circumstances means having to hold vanish

so i can get additional vanishes

[humble verge]

is the GB dagger any good? got it just now lul

[meager crane]

noob question, in a big pack with indiscriminate carnage if I cast garrote it spreads to 2 additional targets, if I cast garrote again does it automatically prio 2 different targets that aren’t garroted? if I use both garrotes on one mob

[slim pebble]

Ilvl is king

[subtle tundra]

also

[slim pebble]

On weapons

[subtle tundra]

double vanish timed this key btw

[humble verge]

i do have a hero slice n dice, just feels like its not worth to 626 it

[subtle tundra]

we skipped the two charge guys and we wiped cause we ninja'd the pack after

[limber lion]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

so i had vanish again to skip again

cause of 2 charges

[normal mist]

xD

[humble verge]

goated double vanish

still wont run it

[subtle tundra]

yep

all the power to you

[grim jay]

and you dont need to

how great is that

[reef isle]

guys need help

[hollow warren]

thank you 🙂

[subtle tundra]

but lethality got nerfed so im more inclined to play it

[reef isle]

am confused

what build to go for m+

[humble verge]

i do feel like swapping to this new tree have greatly improved my ST

[subtle tundra]

wat

what*

[drowsy hatch]

Do whatever m+ build you like, options are in the long rant in the pins

[subtle tundra]

uh

[limber lion]

just play this

or with 1 lethality instead of WaT

[subtle tundra]

my ST feels lower now

[humble verge]

you can just go the wowhead build, ive used it for all my keys until now

[subtle tundra]

in keyos

[humble verge]

done 11 keys with no problem

[drowsy hatch]

Either full hybrid, -sb + ma, -sb + ma - SD + ttk, or maybe even something else

[reef isle]

thank u

[limber lion]

np

[subtle tundra]

what if i just

play bleed

[cloud yew]

so what changes if i play double subterfuge

[limber lion]

nothing

bigger damage

use vanish for kb windows

chill

[drowsy hatch]

Nothing much, MA just gets more value and you can iron wire more. Also vanish during kb / dm windows earlier

[humble verge]

i realised

after talking so much smack on not using iron wire

guess i coulndt say that word

[subtle tundra]

i want to play bleed build

i might try a dog key with it

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-why-so-serious-serious-gif-11972349

[acoustic roost]

Nobodies stopping you

[hollow warren]

!shroud

[humble verge]

like an 8?

[subtle tundra]

like a 12

[humble verge]

ahhh

[prime hull]

Try no kingsbane, whispyr says it sims the best.

If you are going bleed, go full bleed.

[subtle tundra]

yea i want SOME st

[slim pebble]

I swear I played it wrong cause I feel like I was inting in keys

With that build

[limber lion]

How would that work

Getting 12s of MA instead of using Supercharger, which is completely useless in AoE

But yeah, maybe practice more or something

[wild lantern]

I got pinged in here sometime in the past 18 hours but I’ve been asleep and can’t find it so whoever I terrorized I’m sorry

[limber lion]

Doesn't change much at all

[cursive frost]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[unkempt warren]

no matter what i do my dmg is dog in keys i cant play assination

[limber lion]

Surely Oxi or Quake right

Surely

[wild lantern]

Odds agree

[empty pagoda]

quick question: why moment of despair is better than follow the blood? is purely for combo point gen?

[wild lantern]

But you never know, sometimes whispyr summons me himself

[limber lion]

True could be

[limber lion]

Because it sims better

:)

[empty pagoda]

thank you

[leaden raven]

It was because you were the one to clip whispyr making uwu sounds or something

[wild lantern]

OH seli with the wildcard

Bless you wodun

[limber lion]

wording

[wild lantern]

My phone is a bitch

[limber lion]

Pretty fitting

[wild lantern]

It’s not refreshing my notifications tab and keeps autocorrecting half my sentences

[fickle quest]

1st boss of mists on like a 13/14, do I send kingsbane on the tree? I feel like i've been wiping there because we dont kil the tree in time. But then i dont have cds for the damage amp phase.

[warm vortex]

Ive comeplty lost motivation for trying the 12 now
overtimed by a min cause people stacked on last boss in CoT then spilt tea i made like 2 seconds prior everywhere
including my legs

[jade minnow]

Dont u have like designated spot for drinks when u gamin?

Because u kinda need one

[elfin valley]

THE spot

[warm vortex]

i do

it wasnt htere

because i was moving something

[elfin valley]

illegal

[warm vortex]

and accidentally hit it

So idk what to do now

wanted to chill and play keys after work

[jade minnow]

Just scroll web and wait for solo shuffle to pop

Fk m+

[proven jasper]

clean up tea and contemplate life

[warm vortex]

Can't
No mousepad

also had it for my keyboard as my keboard just moves around on my desk normally

i cleaned up the tea already

it aint just drippin

[jade minnow]

"they" dont deserve us playing this joke tier

[warm vortex]

Could try making money in game
no idea how to, maybe just advertise making leather armor

[jade minnow]

Honestly wanna quit, but id regret buying expansion so... Jailgaming

[strange python]

for high key runners - do you guys ever take cheat death?

on any dungeon

[warm vortex]

Ive only done a 12 once
but imo
i feel like you should not

because elusivness is just

better

imo

[strange python]

ok just wondering, theres just times where you get hit with a dot or something you cant feint out of

[quasi stump]

Play FF instead

[jade minnow]

Cheat is raid and pvp talent

[unborn quarry]

guys do you get energy starved in m+ on ST?

[pseudo cosmos]

elusiveness is even more better with the fient of gcd

[fickle quest]

anyone?

[unborn quarry]

if you pop kingsbane at start based on how fast you kill it should be back no?

[fickle quest]

it never is

till the very end of the damage amp phase

[obtuse ruin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pseudo cosmos]

imo just send it on tree and accept cant blast on amp phase

[serene mason]

Did something changed about weapon enchants? Somehow on all of my chars authority of power Stimmung around 10-15k higher then authority of depth

[serene mason]

The small Boss dont have the debuff from beginning. You can kingsbane him and cleave of to the tree. you will have DM+kingsbane Back for dmp amp Phase

But your whole group should Focus the Boss First

[hexed nebula]

kb the small boss

its up for 1st amp

[weary spear]

Send KB and switch targets early to get the mark on main target and so tree doesn’t die too quick

Can control how quickly he dies but just switching targets

[spice surge]

The enchants didnt change. But depths essentially adds a flat amount of damage whereas the agility from power scales better with gear and buffs

So when assa got buffed with the tier hotfix and now in the 0.5 patch everything agility enhances went up, whereas depths stayed the same

[lone lantern]

am i too much of a pleb to understand this tech? i always thought the move was kill tree then kill boss?

like since shadowlands

[hexed nebula]

small boss doesnt have the DR at the start so you get to send 1mins and below for "free"

[proper hare]

prob your gear, sims 600 dps lower for me

but in dungeons its better

[river patrol]

!macro

[subtle tundra]

this key was terrorism

i am not used to playing this

[pseudo cosmos]

nice warlock was he just not pressing buttons?

[lone lantern]

wait what? wtf we were doing super high keys in shadowlands blasting the tree first, this is a change for this season?

[subtle tundra]

he was terrorist

[humble verge]

pretty sure it was like that in SL as well, you could damage both* bosses

[lone lantern]

when does it gets the dr?

[subtle tundra]

sent by al qaeda

[hexed nebula]

after fear iirc

[humble verge]

yeah

he fears and then does the compliance

[pseudo cosmos]

[lone lantern]

hmm yeah he yells obey me lol

dammn that good to know

[subtle tundra]

this build is different to play

[hexed nebula]

in lower keys it doesnt matter since u 1 down anyways

but higher keys it helps to guarantee the 2 down

[pseudo cosmos]

wtf is that build

[subtle tundra]

bleed build

with a twist

terrorist build

[pseudo cosmos]

looks like ST bleed cleave or some abomination

[subtle tundra]

its the bleed build literally

what

that was a build

before this patch

i played very badly though

sanguine blades and sudden demise stocks

[pseudo cosmos]

wow

idk i like sbs + ttk

[tacit wedge]

Subterfuge bleed m+ gaming for low keys

Having a blast cleaving so many garrote and ruptures

[crimson zephyr]

caustic spatter is target specific right? So I put it on my main target and then dmg spreads, it doesn't work to put spatter on 2-4 targets and then get some kind of multiplication effect?

[thorn rampart]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Yes

[tacit wedge]

Yes

[limber lion]

You cannot put Spatter on more targets

It literally deletes the debuff from the previous target if you change targets

[crimson zephyr]

ah true

thanks

[tacit wedge]

When you play with Spatter, you throw a Mutilate on your priority target in between FoK to maintain buff

[crimson zephyr]

also if I have KB running and AFTER I use mark, it still applies the buff right?

[limber lion]

What buff?

[crimson zephyr]

yes that's about what I do - was jsut wondering if there might be more to it

[crimson zephyr]

just the effect of mark, if I have kingsbane on a target and then put mark on target, kingsbane increases in dmg right? it isn't based on order?

[tacit wedge]

You mean the mark from Deathstalker, or deathmark?

[limber lion]

There is no mark in the game that increases the damage of Kingsbane

[crimson zephyr]

deathmark

[crimson zephyr]

what do you mean?

[tacit wedge]

Deathmark doesn't duplicate KB

[limber lion]

Yeah, Deathmark increases the amount of poison applications

[tacit wedge]

But it makes KB ramp faster

[limber lion]

So yes, if you press KB first and then DM, you would start to increase poison applications after the fact.

[crimson zephyr]

yesterday my KB damage doubled - was that just luck?

[limber lion]

Deathmark doubles the application rate

Not the damage

[tacit wedge]

You were lucky on procs and it ramped up high

[limber lion]

Kingsbane is not a Lethal Poison

Those are your weapon poisons

Also, it's a debuff on the target

Not a buff on you

[tacit wedge]

Do you play with Twist the Knife?

Twist the Knife makes Kingsbane even more potent since you double the efficiency of Envenom buff

So you apply more lethal poisons, meaning more KB stacks

[crimson zephyr]

okay so let me rephrase the questions:

1. What exactly does deathmark do? Which effects does it have?
2. Why does the tooltip change of deathmark when KB is applied?

[tropic dove]

might be a dumb question but uptime on my garrote and rupture is always at 20%ish even though im following the timers, am i doing something wrong?

[limber lion]

1. Read the tooltip.
2. What?

[subtle tundra]

🤯

[limber lion]

I'm very confused

[manic matrix]

is that garbage ?

[limber lion]

In single target?

[tropic dove]

yes

[pseudo cosmos]

bruh

[subtle tundra]

no stats yes

[limber lion]

Sim it.

[limber lion]

That is absolutely terrible yeah. You should get some weakauras to help you out.

[crimson zephyr]

the tooltip is confusing. Does it mean "application rate doubled" AND "damage doubled " or "application rate doubled" leading to "damaged doubled"?

[limber lion]

Your bleed uptime should be closer to 100%

[tacit wedge]

Sim it but in no worlds the proc makes it up for the lack of secondaries

[limber lion]

Where are you reading the double damage portion?

That's only in your head

There is no double damage

The tooltip simply says

That it duplicates a bleed that works at 100% effectiveness

It is not a duplication and double damage

It is just an exact copy of the bleed

And even so, again, Kingsbane is not a Lethal Poison

[crimson zephyr]

the 100% changes to 50% while KB runs

[snow juniper]

silly question are we still hitting slice and dice during opener if its not up?

[crimson zephyr]

let me reread, am I that tired? o.O

[tacit wedge]

Instead of having one Garrote, one Rupture and one Deadly poison rolling on your marked target, you have 2 Garrote/Rupture/Deadly/Amplifying

[tacit wedge]

Nop

[iron carbon]

PvP?

[tacit wedge]

First Envenom gives you 14sec of SnD

[crimson zephyr]

that changes something nowdays?

[limber lion]

Yes

PvP has its own scaling entirely

[iron carbon]

Yep, abilities are nerfed in PvP

[normal mist]

Absolutely

[tacit wedge]

Yep

[unkempt warren]

does anyone have a M+ key build for fatebound?

[crimson zephyr]

ah true thanks

[limber lion]

Every ability is balanced differently

[tacit wedge]

Sin is dogwater in PvP because KB is gutted

[crimson zephyr]

okay so deathmark doubles the dots I have running basically, in pve the 2nd dot has normal damage and in pvp it's reduced to 50%?

[limber lion]

Yes

[drowsy hatch]

I think fatebound in m+ is very discouraged

[limber lion]

But again, it has not effect on Kingsbane

[tacit wedge]

Run usual talents, just instead of Subterfuge or Supercharger you HAVE to take Cold Blood
Always talent into Caustic because Tails coin procs it

[crimson zephyr]

okay so thanks! next question: Are buffs applied to running dots? E.g. I use trinket, I use garrote => garrote makes more damage. Can I also do: garrote, trinket and get the same output?

[tacit wedge]

If he wants to play something suboptimal it's his right fatebound is fine under 6s+

[limber lion]

Yes

Dots update their damage dynamically

There is no snapshotting left really

[tacit wedge]

Yes, our dots are dynamic

[drowsy hatch]

Just wanted to put out that warning

[limber lion]

Yes

You use one KB raw without DM inbetween every DM cast

[tacit wedge]

(Feral druids still snapshot )

[lone lantern]

yeah, dont forget to always shiv on kb

[serene mason]

You can Attack the small one (ingra malloch) until it get debuffed by this spell https://www.wowhead.com/spell=323149/embrace-darkness
You Switch to tree after until amp Phase begins where you kill ingra malloch.

[limber lion]

...

We're talking about our spec.

[lone lantern]

KB

[crimson zephyr]

but there used to be quit a bit right? So now the order is only important for timing

[limber lion]

Yes and no

[unkempt warren]

do you macro KB with CB?

[limber lion]

The order is important for maximizing throughput

[tacit wedge]

Macro CB on Envenom

[limber lion]

I guess you can call it timing or whatever

[crimson zephyr]

yeah that's what I meant with timing, e.g. having the "buff" up for the whole of KB so the first tick is buffed, last tick is buffed etc

[limber lion]

But yeah, there is no snapshotting or anything that you have to take into consideration

[limber lion]

Yeah

[tacit wedge]

Because we take the hero talents that gives us 2 Envenom but can only be spent on Envenom

[limber lion]

You always want to DM first for sure

[subtle tundra]

ok buddy refresh your stealth garrote

[limber lion]

but other than that it's kinda whatever

[crimson zephyr]

nice, that's why my noob rotation didn't suffer as much as expected 😄

[limber lion]

Someone hasn't read the pins

[limber lion]

Yes

[soft sluice]

hey guys i have a question about assa rogue in M+ - is it normal that my signletarget is rather low or am i fcking smth up?

[tacit wedge]

Oopsie, sry

[limber lion]

Probably messing something up

[molten flicker]

u fucking up

[lone lantern]

Shiv with KB. if you have 2 charges you shiv right before applying kb and then again when it drops. if you have only one charge shiv at the middle of KB (8 secs left)

[crimson zephyr]

and any tips on how to use vanish for single target raid and m+? I just use it to get the garrote buff in singel target and in m+ to reapply etc. anything else to look out for?

[subtle tundra]

depends what you mean by that. your st is low compared to other specs

[limber lion]

If you use Subterfuge and MA, use it together with KB every 2 minutes

[soft sluice]

im 605 and highest i have seen me do was about 700k ST

[subtle tundra]

thats pretty high

605 is dog

[drowsy hatch]

Seems fine for 605

[soft sluice]

wow wow wow dont do me like that xd

[crimson zephyr]

What's MA?

master assassin?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Yes

[crimson zephyr]

so MA gives extra crit for 6s, subterfuge adds 3s giving 9s total so you vanish 5+s into KB?

[drowsy hatch]

If you have 1 point into subt yeah, you just want ma for the max duration at the tail end of kb

If you have 2 into subt last 12 seconds

[soft sluice]

i swapped over from playing druid tank and playing this assa rogue activly since 4 days now or smth, highest dps i pull is 800-900k overall is that fine? (some dungeons also just 600k tho)

[crimson zephyr]

ok thanks, none of my current basic specs use it though. Is that what people did in DF?

[pseudo cosmos]

another tank lost 🫡

[drowsy hatch]

No. You take it with the subterfuge rework now.

[limber lion]

That is not great honestly.

[drowsy hatch]

Or idk what people did in df

But that's why most builds take MA now

[limber lion]

I'm similar ilvl and just did a +6 dungeon and 1.8m dps

[snow juniper]

can someone explain to me how the talents are working out like his or is it just a graphical glitch

[soft sluice]

my homie swapped from fury warrior to tank so so we lost a bad dps spec and gained a great tank spec

[soft sluice]

WHAT

[humble verge]

where is actually this in details

[drowsy hatch]

It's just the old talents on the new tree

It doesn't work

[soft sluice]

we talking overall dps after dungeon???

[limber lion]

Yes

[crimson zephyr]

okay so another question: I currently use the basic single traget raid specs from wowhead and the m+ one. FOr 1-2 bosses I used their boss specific ones.

How like optimized are those? Are the boss specific ones and the dungeon specific ones alot better? And if you actually knwo what you do, can you get a lot better?

[limber lion]

The wowhead guide is mainly a reference for newer people

Or people wanting to find a quick resource to help them get started

It is not necessarily giga tailored for every situation

[soft sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-i-pledge-myself-star-wars-teachings-gif-23892299

[drowsy hatch]

You'll live with using the normal st build in raid. Swapping caustic out when needed. But of course experience and extra tailoring to your group will be much more useful

[limber lion]

Always be hitting stuff, use cooldowns on cooldown as much as possible, slam

It of course also depends on the group, route and so on

But you should be able to pull off at least something like 1.2m in every single dungeon regardless of route.

[crimson zephyr]

yeah comapred to others I'm doing great with using that and just practicing a bit. Now figured I gonna dig a bit deeper, rework UI etc.

was surprised how much I outdps the average player. o.O

[limber lion]

Humble

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-vince-mc-mahon-wwe-entrance-gif-14354782

[drowsy hatch]

Assa is quite strong right now after all.

[soft sluice]

is that playing the "bleed" build or the "hybrid" build in +6 or is wowhead just trash XD

[pseudo cosmos]

getting invited to keys over people with way higher gs than me

[drowsy hatch]

The wowhead build is perfectly fine