assassination

[pseudo cosmos]

ye was like they are all sorta the same so just run what feels better

[lost narwhal]

ye was like they are all sorta the same so just run what feels better

Also my conclusion indeed!

[warm vortex]

I stg every day I find out a new thing I can vanish

Like the circles in first boss of GB

[balmy condor]

My favorite is when people sim and it’s like 0.3% difference and you open the sim and it’s like a 35% dps range

[marble hemlock]

cant weait for someone to say BUT THIS BUILD IS 1.603mil and the other only 1.601mil!!!

[lost narwhal]

I like double vanish for more leniency in chain pulling

[marble hemlock]

ye

[uneven ibex]

Sanguine seems op for m+ where you've got infinite energy almost all trash pulls, y the hate

[marble hemlock]

id take a builöd simming 2% less if it had 10% range instead of 30

also whispyr

wtf is wrong with you playing fatebound on kyveza

[balmy condor]

But seli on average that 10% range is 2% lower

:3

[balmy condor]

Wdym, it’s better dps

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

cause number wise its not OP compared to what else you can get with that point

[marble hemlock]

but less survivability which is the only thing that matters on that boss

bait and switch actually good on that fight

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703

[balmy condor]

I don’t need survivability the fuck

[past panther]

just dodge the bad

[marble hemlock]

looked like you did bud

[past panther]

don’t splash in puddles

[balmy condor]

I have elusiveness for intermissions, cloak for every charge

[subtle tundra]

wtf

you cloak intermissions

at the end

[balmy condor]

I do not

[marble hemlock]

ye elusiveness didnt save me in intermission sometimes

[subtle tundra]

you have to

not for yourself

[marble hemlock]

you kinda wanna cloak

[subtle tundra]

but for others

[balmy condor]

Says who

[subtle tundra]

me

[marble hemlock]

the charges for dps so you can KB on CD

[subtle tundra]

cause i played the boss

[marble hemlock]

but ye

its kinda cringe

[balmy condor]

Okay

[frigid wing]

can anyone help me update this opener if need be, havent played since before the update

[marble hemlock]

to not cloak last regicide

[balmy condor]

I played the boss too and I say no

[subtle tundra]

if you dont cloak and move on last regicide you can kill teammates

[fast nacelle]

[subtle tundra]

idk why youd ever want that

[balmy condor]

I’m next to the tanks

The tanks won’t die

Hello

What

[marble hemlock]

ye look at this guy

playing on easy mode

[warm vortex]

Just be a man and take it harder

[normal mist]

Guys

[marble hemlock]

again

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mountain-dew-promotion-rewards-revealed-cosmetic-rewards-for-wow-and-diablo-iv-348970#comments

[warm vortex]

The pain can’t hurt you if you don’t let it

[subtle tundra]

arent ranges behind you

[fast nacelle]

@marble hemlock still playing?

[balmy condor]

Yeah, they’re behind me why do I care

[trail scarab]

Do u play ttk with ma in key too?

[subtle tundra]

idk im playing longer cloak even without flensing knives

just for that

[balmy condor]

I mean you can do that yeah

[subtle tundra]

literally intermission is the only place you can die

[marble hemlock]

the fuck, youre still alive?

[balmy condor]

I choose to not do that

[spice surge]

Idk bait and switch really good

[subtle tundra]

every mechanic doesnt do enough dmg to kill ppl

[spice surge]

Shouldnt need to feint with evasion up then

[warm vortex]

Flensing was the beta talent that was still here and bugged right

Or am I thinking of smth different

[subtle tundra]

youre already in range

what are you gonna do with the excess energy

[marble hemlock]

but ye is till play tyra

raidlogging

[spice surge]

Wdym in range

[subtle tundra]

you get line

you have to get out

[spice surge]

I meant during intermission

[balmy condor]

Unironically you can facetank a pizza slice with evasion+feint if you take bait and switch that shit is bananas

[spice surge]

But ye

[fast nacelle]

[subtle tundra]

intermission is cloak and if i hear anyone say you cloak a line ill scream at them

if its progress

[spice surge]

Thats almost how tanky DKs are without anything up

[spice surge]

Well the 20 seconds before the last hit

[marble hemlock]

what are you up to these days?

[balmy condor]

Maybe I want you to scream at me

[subtle tundra]

yea but most likely you get a line in between intermissions, so its not reliable

i kinda get your point

[spice surge]

Huh

[fast nacelle]

enjoying casual life

[subtle tundra]

also longer cloak gives me immunity on 2 lines in intermission ocasionally

[balmy condor]

Like I cloak charge, 3x feint intermission, evasion last 10

And it’s totally fine

[subtle tundra]

yea cause you play with tanks

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

and 3 other melees

[balmy condor]

So what’s the issue

Dh is on opposite side

[subtle tundra]

i got filtered

wtf

[normal mist]

the S word

[balmy condor]

Yeah you said a bad word

That gets filtered usually

[subtle tundra]

but thats just a normal adjective for DHs

[normal mist]

LOL

[pliant remnant]

Oh, it isn't

[warm vortex]

Stupid?

[pliant remnant]

[ocean ferry]

Why does sim apl pop thistle tea on KB? Thought we only with shiv

[balmy condor]

It does both

Kb/shiv

[thorn crater]

intermission of what? princess?

[balmy condor]

Same shit

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ocean ferry]

We should do same or only with shiv?

[proven belfry]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[proven belfry]

!ttk

[balmy condor]

Macro to shiv and it’s the same

[ocean ferry]

Not if you only go with 1 shiv I assume ^^

[balmy condor]

No, it’s the same

[warm vortex]

Whispyr
You should do one push up ever time someone asks you a questions you’ve either answered before or is on the pins

[balmy condor]

That’s why I said it’s the same

[pseudo cosmos]

but you jab at last 8 secs of KB for ramp

if 1 shiv

[balmy condor]

I don’t have a 9,000 calorie diet though

How am I supposed to do that many pushups

[ocean ferry]

But with 1 shiv sim pops first tea with KB, and I would shiv 6sec into KB no?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[warm vortex]

Slacking with that diet

Need the true USA intake

[balmy condor]

Eat a whole rotisserie chicken by noon

Get my macros

[past panther]

whispyr boutta hit mad protein

[subtle tundra]

need sane protein

[warm vortex]

Mans gonna be built like those orcs from draenor, the big dudes

[pseudo cosmos]

mag har?

[warm vortex]

No the fucking

Really big ones

Idk what they are called XD

The ones that look like hans and frans

Like that model

[daring hamlet]

have you all re-looked at pooling rules on st since the patch? if you haven't I imagine that's an area worth investigating

[balmy condor]

400 reps of “tea doesn’t matter” followed by 250 reps of “that m+ build is good”, and then as a cooldown we do 600 reps of “your stats are fine, I didn’t actually look but I also don’t actually care what the numbers are”

[subtle tundra]

thats quite literally one of the first things that get checked

[warm vortex]

Damn, nice workout routine

[balmy condor]

Yes, the rule is that it’s pointless to do in raids and nearly pointless to do in m+

Hope that helps

[daring hamlet]

yeah, that makes sense

I figured raid pooling would be closer to M+ pooling

[ocean ferry]

Even if we would dip below the autoTea threshold? Sry for all those questions 😂

[balmy condor]

Yes

[pseudo cosmos]

500 reps of "yes"

[balmy condor]

Auto tea is an insanely minor loss

[gritty cypress]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[normal mist]

(i secretly unbinded my tea on my raid ST build)

[trail scarab]

[warm vortex]

Here’s a hint: if you are annoyed of thistle teas auto use play the spec properly un-talent it, it’s a good idea I promise

[royal lantern]

drinking tea outside of tea time is blasphemy

[balmy condor]

300 reps of banded disappointed head shakes, 150 on each side

[warm vortex]

Gonna go from a wow player to fitness influencer

[balmy condor]

Gotta train for the 75 reps of grim batol declines

[spice surge]

Followed by 20 new people coming in and complaining about how they hate new tea

And the cycle repeats

[pseudo cosmos]

true & real

[normal mist]

i just noticed i got a 100... Ilvl parse!

[royal lantern]

followed by 30 people complaining about no stealth in m+

[balmy condor]

Nice

And you didn’t even ask one dumb question that was answered in the pins

[daring hamlet]

iono that whole 90 energy thing felt weird to me cuase 3s before kb is up you stop pooling anyway and proc tea sometimes 🤷‍♂️

[balmy condor]

That’s the bigger achievement honestly

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-oh-you-gif-22671182

[royal lantern]

did my subterfuge/MA question count as a dumb question answered in the pins

[balmy condor]

Getting a 100 parse is easy, anyone can do that

Have you tried forming a coherent thought before hitting enter in a class discord? That’s where the real challenge of the game is

[warm vortex]

Imo the stealth question is the one I hate the most personally

[normal mist]

From now on, every time i want to be happy, i'll look at my Ilvl parses.

[daring hamlet]

heroic ilevel parses - actual peak

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[normal mist]

Thats the highest i raid

so yeah thats peak for me

[balmy condor]

Idk I already forgot what you asked, that was like 2 days ago

[warm vortex]

The bosses I have good parses on include

_ _

[amber brook]

Parse is based off ilvl?

[normal mist]

yesnt

there are normal parses and Ilvl parses

ilvl parses are shit

mean 0

absolute trash

no idea why they exist

[royal lantern]

damm, you actually beat me on queen

idk how to "Parse" there tbh

[warm vortex]

They exist to make you feel worse

[royal lantern]

probs shit killtimers for us tbh

[normal mist]

how come worse

[ebon notch]

I can’t read :3

[balmy condor]

Like im gonna be real, with how many questions i answer, you gotta be some real piece of shit if I remember a conversation after more than 3 days

[royal lantern]

that question was like 20min ago

[balmy condor]

Even better

[ebon notch]

Hahaha

[balmy condor]

I already forgot

[pseudo cosmos]

[balmy condor]

I’m just being honest but like sometimes people have beef with me and they’re like YEAH YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME YOU WERE RUDE TO ME?

No, honestly I don’t

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[ebon notch]

Remember that one time you were rude to me?

[warm vortex]

Ilevel parses

Not actual parses

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember talking to you like

At all

Actually

[warm vortex]

Is what i meant for this

[normal mist]

Whispyr every 30 minutes:

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-who-are-you-kazoo-kid-funny-gif-16933963

[warm vortex]

At least personally it feels like that

[balmy condor]

My brain empties itself every hour

[normal mist]

my ilvl parses are better than my overall parses, so they dont make me feel ba at all

[ebon notch]

Ok bud stop weaponising amnesia

[warm vortex]

Cause I’d get a sorta high parse (imo) and my ilevel one would be shit

[ebon notch]

It hurts 😦

[warm vortex]

Oh mines the opposite

[normal mist]

this is overall

for me

[balmy condor]

I just have a shit memory idk man I’ve always been bad at remembering things

[warm vortex]

Heroic ?

[balmy condor]

Like in elementary school we would play memory?

Bro I was cooked

Every time

[normal mist]

i dont raid mythic

[warm vortex]

I can get mine but they are not that good, at least compared to the people here

[primal oasis]

Do you ever go upstairs to grab something then forget what it was by the time you get there?

[warm vortex]

Ah ok

[ebon notch]

Here’s mine

[normal mist]

I'm the green name pleb

the casual

[timber meadow]

ive ran into this tbh

[balmy condor]

Yes, but I forget why I got up before I’m even out of the room

[royal lantern]

fake

DH is not FotM

you would NEVER

[ebon notch]

:3

I would never lie

[warm vortex]

Fair, I just do heroic with a casual guild

[royal lantern]

is that a lie

[balmy condor]

I forgot my own birthday dude

[normal mist]

samesies!

[ebon notch]

The clues in the name at the top bruh ofc it’s me

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1297214621437923470/Im_Losing_It.mp4?ex=671dae82&is=671c5d02&hm=8078dded758e7d153f8bdb294c7611c51c4691ebf7b39a4b5212f800c535249a&

[gentle pilot]

hi guys

[balmy condor]

Someone asked me when my birthday was and I just sat there dumbfounded for a solid 15-20 seconds

[primal oasis]

I forget my age sometimes

[ebon notch]

I thought I was a year older for 6 months

[royal lantern]

not me forgeting regulary if im 26 or 27

[ebon notch]

So now I’m prepared

[gentle pilot]

My hero's energy is below 20. When I hit it, it automatically gives tea use. Is yours the same?

[oak eagle]

i havent, but i think I should, so you dont get mad anymore

[primal oasis]

Same with 22/23 for me

[warm vortex]

:D

[timber meadow]

oh hell yeah, robots sayin' i can use spyglass now on st over ara kara

[balmy condor]

You’re so far down my angry list I don’t think anything you do could really make me more or less angry I’m ngl

There’s like 60 people above you where I just see them start typing and I go “oh god not you”

[oak eagle]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS, but dw ill actually think of good questions to ask if i be stupid

[pseudo cosmos]

[ebon notch]

I’m gonna go edit the APL I hope you’re ready

[oak eagle]

we love cohearent thoughts and pin checking

[gentle pilot]

Can't cancel this issue?

[balmy condor]

Yeah unreadable to a human with ChatGPT if possible so I have to spend 80% of the time actually figuring out what it’s supposed to be doing

[primal karma]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[oak tangle]

i just want my tank to pull faster

so i can time keys

[ebon notch]

ChatGPT what’s an APL and also please optimise this thank you

[oak eagle]

ez fix, just play prot war

[oak tangle]

that doesn't get my rogue io

[oak eagle]

but it gets your prot war io

and it fixes your io issues

[pseudo cosmos]

just keybind throw knife and pull for him

[oak tangle]

i just want CoT 10 so i can fuck off from that place

[balmy condor]

ChatGPT, do a simdps up please

Idc what the change is I want to see the number go up

[oak tangle]

someone, somewhere, has used a university pc farm to do that

[balmy condor]

Knowing that an imaginary number on a synthetic simulation is increasing

Fills me with pleasure

[subtle tundra]

boo hoo and what

youre lowkey happy when i type

[balmy condor]

It’s not about getting accurate info about my character, it’s about seeing big numbers when I sim

[pseudo cosmos]

ive had so many threads runs go to shit after 2nd boss on good time and the tank goes full ape and over chainpulls and fucks it over

[balmy condor]

Yeah I don’t mind you

[subtle tundra]

best thing that happened today

[balmy condor]

You got a lot of energy

I like arguing with you

You’re feisty and match the energy

It’s chill

[subtle tundra]

we freaky like that

[pseudo cosmos]

[ebon notch]

You used to be a menace

[pseudo cosmos]

geta room u 2

[spice elk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[oak tangle]

we had 1 min left after last boss, cause he miss counted, we neeed 4%, he sat there waiting 20s for idk why, then chained a bunch of caster adds in like 2 pulls wiped us, no time

[forest mountain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

You wanna watch?

[subtle tundra]

you used to main rogue...

[oak eagle]

i will

[ebon notch]

You used to stream assa m+

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-gif-8554249452926903742

[balmy condor]

Two cuck chairs

Ez

[oak eagle]

just get a hotel room, one already is there

[tame elm]

Guys quick question. How does Ovinax trinket sim ? Does it let it stack to 30 stacks or it optimizes it to 20 / 10 ?

[balmy condor]

I’m making dinner reservations, table for 12 and a booth for 2

[oak tangle]

i also walked into the key without imp garotte, felt liek shit, dps was same

[balmy condor]

It tries to stay around 15/15

[balmy condor]

This is lowkey a masterpiece

[subtle tundra]

does prot paladin die really fast if played by someone who cant play

[balmy condor]

No imp gar is crazy

[oak eagle]

yes

[pseudo cosmos]

didnt it just get turbo buffed?

[oak eagle]

my goat noobadin tho

[balmy condor]

Think that’s just every bad tank

[oak eagle]

never dies

[oak eagle]

doesnt matter, bad player still bad

[ebon notch]

Yes

[pseudo cosmos]

ok fair ye true

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen blood DK’s just get ripped like paper walking into a 3 pack

[subtle tundra]

i want to play a tank for fun

[balmy condor]

It’s rough out here

[winged quail]

Nothing worse than a bad brewmaster

[subtle tundra]

i have a monk and a pally

[oak eagle]

with pally

i think

you have to go into a pack with 3HP

[oak tangle]

i was crying with the cp gen on openers, but like honestly, spending the gcd's on other shit rather than garrote and shit just works

[oak eagle]

to put up a SotR

[winged quail]

Wiped 2x to CoT 1st boss then group boomed cuz Brew tank got one shot by tank buster 3x in a row

[pseudo cosmos]

ive been looking at making a blood dk but its on turbo low burn as i cba to lvl it

[balmy condor]

Two bad brewmasters

[subtle tundra]

3 horse power? i aint a car

[oak eagle]

bro you have horses

[subtle tundra]

2 charegs

[past panther]

DK is so fun tho

[balmy condor]

Yeah turns out you can just kinda press random buttons on this spec 10% of the time and it doesn’t matter at all

[oak eagle]

just like, have a time spiral at all times

[past panther]

the only tank i don’t like playing with is DH

[vagrant brook]

I was summoned here because someone said we're gonna have a circle jerk? true?

[oak tangle]

the only negative is -mental

[oak eagle]

yes come join

[lost grotto]

I think till now i never did a m+ with a dh tank xd

[rotund oak]

welcome to fotm rollers picking up on stuff they cant handle 😛

[subtle tundra]

well not true

if i swapped to another dps

yes

[past panther]

dh tanks are the feral druids of the tanking sect

[winged quail]

Good prot pala can carry a key

[past panther]

insanely adhd almost all insanely bad

[rotund oak]

idk man,paladins got couple of buttons that make them immortal

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, m+ in a nutshell

[subtle tundra]

but i want to play a different role, so ofc i want the easiest

[hard sparrow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

Talents you run don’t matter

Only thing that matters is your mental to keep queueing

[subtle tundra]

can also level my warrior but idk how that performs

[winged quail]

I went too hard last week and now I can’t bring my self to play

[subtle tundra]

never liked warrior tank

[balmy condor]

If you just perma queue with insano cooked talents you can be like 3300 rn

I 100% believe

[past panther]

warrior tank is pretty steady

seems like it’s been consistently decent this xpac for the most part

[rotund oak]

thats why they chug those monsters and max out volume on some metalcore cringe bits

[vagrant brook]

time to try the new no-KB tech

[subtle tundra]

everyone needs to remember the best players are the ones that play the game 16hrs a day

[balmy condor]

Honestly if it makes you happy go for it

[balmy condor]

True

[subtle tundra]

skill matters way less than time invested

[oak eagle]

there was a build for RBGs that I saw, that was running no KB

[past panther]

i only blast hardstyle and nightcore and only let myself turn it off until we time a key

[oak eagle]

weird asf tbh

[balmy condor]

Bigger number better person (/played)

[spice surge]

As is evident

[lost grotto]

I got only 125 days on my rogue

[balmy condor]

[wicked valve]

Im watchign a casual addict dawnbreaker video, hes doing a 16. I can't fathom

[rotund oak]

how cute

[twin bay]

hes a beast

[oak eagle]

Addict is goated

[wicked valve]

For real, I time a few 10's last night and felt great. Lmao, always good to get put back in my place.

[lost grotto]

Same did 4 +10 yesterday and felt good xd

[vagrant brook]

FB is lowkey destroying my dopamine
seeing those coin flips stacking up

[wicked valve]

Lets be eachothers hype people. WELL FUCKING DONE RYVOR.

[twin bay]

i mean its only natural that a pull you played 600 times before works out better for you then if you played it like 5 times

[oak eagle]

its like with Outlaw, where you just get Ace proc after ace proc during your crackshot window

[lost grotto]

Well done stabberz

I wanna do some 10‘s later today

[wicked valve]

I've never been in a key with another ass. Does it fuck up sudden demise and shit?

[subtle tundra]

what fucking dopamine

[lost grotto]

Idk i also avoid other rogues xD

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAA

[wicked valve]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[forest nacelle]

we have dopamine?

[pseudo cosmos]

ye what is this "other rogue"?

[wicked valve]

You'll never see me....but I'm always there.

[past panther]

I’ve literally never seen another rogue queue up when I play mine

[forest nacelle]

"vanish"

[twin bay]

there is only space for one dude with insane main character syndrom in each key

x)

[wicked valve]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[shadow patio]

@balmy condor why doesnt your WA track clear the witness?

or does it?

[forest nacelle]

me IRL

[oak eagle]

it does

its a little eyepatch icon I believe, thats next to your Mark stacks

[pliant remnant]

Yeah, never invite two ret paladins

[wicked valve]

Im having fun in keys with ass, I wish the hero tree was a bit cooler, but Im glad it feels strong.

[twin bay]

why not i absolutly love fighting the single mob standing for another minute because the smallies got padded away by the rets xdd

[shadow patio]

i see it now

[pseudo cosmos]

kinda wanna try fatebound

dont like rng tho

[ancient pendant]

guys is this normal dmg for 13gb?

why the fuck enh is doing 1.5kk on EVERY ST boss

[kindred hinge]

Finally got to experience random tanks in lowish keys, I can understand why people rave about wat. Mental the gymnatistics those tanks are doing when thinking about their next pull.

[ancient pendant]

and 6kk burst aoe

wtf

[twin bay]

just dont track anything and you will not even notice @pseudo cosmos

[ancient pendant]

is this game lol

[subtle tundra]

its alright you can do more

[kindred hinge]

Brcause Tommy, Bliz CEO child decided to not play hutn this season but shaman.

[subtle tundra]

you didnt massively misplay

[ancient pendant]

understand

i'm doing super low st damage

[subtle tundra]

yea

part of this spec

[ancient pendant]

1 sec

[kindred hinge]

Shaman heal OP as fuck, Enh submarine OP, Elem ? Well they got it good for 1 week but yet

[subtle tundra]

Elem is down in the gutter

[ancient pendant]

first boss umbriss, second boss, third, fourth

[iron prism]

Yeah my ST is shot

[ancient pendant]

only on boss with adds i'm doing fine

[kindred hinge]

Your ST can get some improvement

[twin bay]

the thing is 90% of enh players are kinda trash and let the specc seem balanced

[subtle tundra]

third you fucked up mark

probably

[ancient pendant]

yep

[oak eagle]

that little eyepatch, is Clear the Witness

[ancient pendant]

i had no teas

and no mark for this boss

[shadow patio]

yee i see it now

tyvm

[kindred hinge]

Can you show damage to boss on last one ?

[ancient pendant]

1 sec

[twin bay]

whats your ilvl @ancient pendant

[ancient pendant]

628,88

[sharp viper]

an eyepatch? what is this? #outlaw ?!

[ancient pendant]

last boss of gb

[silver escarp]

Oh you updated the WA Whispyr?

[ancient pendant]

(caustic, envenom, CT, Kingsbane and Rupture)

[kindred hinge]

Sorry I meant, Enemy dagae taken - Duke w/e

[grim jay]

it sadly even has the name pirateeyepatch

in the code

its fucking sad

[ancient pendant]

erudax

this one is enh

lol

[grim jay]

on the other hand, its called clear the witnesses

[pseudo cosmos]

[grim jay]

so we should kill outlaws

which is fine

[silver escarp]

!wa

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[ancient pendant]

i didn't had this ST problems before anniversary patch

like was doing +- like raidbots sim 4min

[iron prism]

I just suck, after patch im floating lol cant seem to lock down a spec

[lucid marsh]

im on the same boat, doing shit st dmg and poggers aoe dmg

[lucid marsh]

trying to pool energy, but always lacking

[ancient pendant]

like AOE is fine

but ST is 10-20% lower than before

maybe i'm just cooked

[grim jay]

my st is higher than before and aoe is the same

[iron prism]

^ thats what I thought

[kindred hinge]

Maybe you want to try a few of the build and see what you perform better on, but overall doesnt seem to be underperfoming much. Details numbers depends a lot on your group / pulls/ route etc

[untold mural]

Maybe tea problems

[vivid tundra]

i just stopped using sanguine, twist the knife requires alot more energy

[mild spoke]

Hi affter lethality fix we take 2 points in supercharge?

[iron prism]

When am I tea'ing

[ancient pendant]

i think tea problems too

[vivid tundra]

dashing scoundrel gets some energy back too

[kindred hinge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[kindred hinge]

Wrong one

[twin bay]

i hate auto tea with a passion

[kindred hinge]

Tea is .2% dps loss if auto proc, not going to change much

[untold mural]

Yea need to delete this shit

[kindred hinge]

The mark on Valiona is much more impactfull

[iron prism]

Cant tell if yall trollin or nawh

[ancient pendant]

i was always hold tea before ST

and now it's like 1-2 charges on ST only

[silver escarp]

What's the talents for M+ right now? Not dj specific but something all rounder please?

[ancient pendant]

not 2-3 like before

[grim jay]

?

[twin bay]

wowhead cheatsheet probably

[silver escarp]

But don't we use subterfuge?

[silver escarp]

it doesn't appear in wowhead

[grim jay]

options

not a must

[silver escarp]

[twin bay]

i havent changed anything on my dungeon build because i do my 8 10s on reset and log on alts x)

[kindred hinge]

PinsPins, There is a lot of different build just play what feel best for you

[silver escarp]

Yea so it's either supercharged or sub

[kindred hinge]

You can play TTK if you like it or don't, you can play MA /Subt or not / Supercharged / SD /SB /SBS even AMP all those sim close together

[wicked valve]

!pool

Gross, I suck

[twin bay]

i dont see the huge value in subterfuge when playing the "old" build with bonespike. why would i continue to spread bleeds when i just have my 5 ruptures and spam envenoms

[silver escarp]

Bigger pulls so more rupture dmg too? I dunno

[twin bay]

but as stated 10s is whatever no matter what

[silver escarp]

Okay so i can just get the basic wowhead one

[twin bay]

rupture doesnt do much dmg its mainly energy reg and more stats

[silver escarp]

Used to it anyway

[twin bay]

i did absolutly fine crushing every key

and a better build wont make me 10x stronger anyway

[limber lion]

because MA is pretty crazy

[silver escarp]

I don't play much these time, not much time

[iron prism]

what spec you running @twin bay

[left sundial]

which build

[rotund oak]

wouldnt call it basic,its the msot optimal one.We want them scent stacks thats all

[twin bay]

yes MA when vanishing for dmg like casual is doing in highkeys

but on lowkeys everything is dead before your setup is done

[left sundial]

at 12-13 range i wont take MA

[limber lion]

Read what Subterfuge does big guy

[silver escarp]

I mean, isn't the subt one same value? Just a little different playstyle?

[limber lion]

It's massive even if you never press vanish

[twin bay]

gonna check it out ( i did my weeklys and never bothered so yeah xdd)

[ancient pendant]

i will go check how casualaddict preses button

on ST bosses

why the fuck am i so low st lol

were like 800-900k on st

now it's 600-750

[iron prism]

^

[rotund oak]

simming it will give u the answer,if u want subter go for it but rupturing above the max stacks prolly slows u down on pressing other buttons most likely

maybe whispyr can clarify that

[silver escarp]

No i don't need clarify don't worry i see the point

[limber lion]

No reason to Rupture above 5 Ruptures

[ancient pendant]

i guess ER gave me ST damage

[limber lion]

ER doesn't exist

[ancient pendant]

now it's gone

and i'm crying

i liked that minigame

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6094188626957948188

https://tenor.com/view/but-i’m-not-original-gif-4077672862622552877

[vivid tundra]

and ure 628? dang

[kindred hinge]

Tried with and without MA in 12/13, MA was noticeably better. Also simmed better. It's TTK I'am not sold about

[subtle tundra]

i should vod review my keys

[twin bay]

what am i missing? it helps with improved garrote, MA and iron wire. in the old build AND in 10s i am not talking about anything above 12 i dont care about longer stealth window since i start blasting envenoms asap

[vivid tundra]

go on a dummy and hit it for 2 mins, how much are u getting

[waxen oyster]

the pace of the spec feels the same

[ancient pendant]

ok

[subtle tundra]

in m+ yea

[ancient pendant]

1 sec

[subtle tundra]

but in raid its faster...

GAME BAD

[vivid tundra]

st ye, ima go do the same

[terse cloak]

we dropping supercharger in keys?

[ancient pendant]

i will go for 2 mins and 4 i guess

[limber lion]

Yeah, play Subterfuge

[ancient pendant]

in 12+ keys ST always 3-4 mins

[stark kraken]

you play supercharger or subterfuge w/e you prefer

[terse cloak]

thank you

[limber lion]

Yes, but 12s allows you to reapply stuff like Garrotes again which allows for a second use of Iron Wire for example

And MA being 12s is crazy

Basically have MA for the entire KB window

[waxen oyster]

I imagine its also just better

[limber lion]

Which spatters

it's just nuts

[waxen oyster]

to rip an empowered garrote in the last 2-3 secs

for more damage too

might as well

[crisp burrow]

what should I race change to

[stark kraken]

now im getting curious about subterfuge too also was just blasting envenoms

[twin bay]

yeah 100% but the guy that brought this up was asking for a build in the +10 range

[limber lion]

Yes

[crisp burrow]

night elf ?

idk

[limber lion]

And you should play Subterfuge in every key level

from 1 to 100

No reason not to

[twin bay]

noted

[bleak crag]

People when there is choices in talents

[limber lion]

12s MA in the beginning of every single pack

is just 100 times better than a supercharged shiv

that you don't even press in aoe

[waxen oyster]

i mean theres a reason they nerfed it

[kindred hinge]

If you care about obti, answer will always be dwarf. Sometime Ne but that's more in teams, and rest is w/e

[waxen oyster]

25% crit for an entire opener is alot of damage

[crisp burrow]

isnt Ne better at pugging

[twin bay]

it competes more with the second point in lethality than super charger i feel

[kindred hinge]

Dwarf >>>>

[limber lion]

What does?

[frosty portal]

!plater

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[limber lion]

Subterfuge is 2 points

[crisp burrow]

extra restealth for terrorist tanks

[kindred hinge]

Not having to suffer the whim of your healer for all the nasty dots /debuff will save youmore often than a meld

[crisp burrow]

seems more convenient

[covert kindle]

Does it matter if I use skardyn trinket before opening? Or will the stats be added to the current bleeds? Like do they snapshot or no

[kindred hinge]

!restealth

[stark kraken]

but soothing darkness

[kindred hinge]

!stealth

[limber lion]

No snapshot

[waxen oyster]

once you pass 10 keys you stop getting terrorist tanks

[crisp burrow]

!meld

[limber lion]

they dynamically update

Just macro to Deathmark

[waxen oyster]

hopefully

[kindred hinge]

FFS wtf is wrong wiith y pmemory of prompt

[twin bay]

subterfuge vs supercharger is more about the second point in lethality than beeing about super charger is what i meant

[covert kindle]

Yea was thinking to just macro it to deathmark then thanks

[limber lion]

Yup

[pseudo cosmos]

you just get turbo terrorist tanks instead

[stark kraken]

xD

[waxen oyster]

if you really want the second lethality point

just take 1 sec of subter

idk

[terse cloak]

I really want extra vanish hard to obtain "(

[kindred hinge]

Na it's fine they start to know about IW at that stage well at least before the general pop caught up on 10s

[ancient pendant]

750k 2 mins, when Mark+kb is ready raises to 810-820, and 4 min = 730k

[kindred hinge]

But short anwser, a few meld here and there will not make a difference

Wil ldwarf passiv will be truly usefull every key regardless of groups

[merry shale]

why tho

[crisp burrow]

idk i wanted to race change and if the difference is huge might go for the meta answer

[crisp burrow]

but dwarf is too ugly

[vivid tundra]

im 619

[limber lion]

Yeah but it's not really about one or the other when you have to drop both of them to access Subterfuge

[crisp burrow]

i would consider night elf

[limber lion]

And even then Subterfuge destroys Supercharger and Lethality

[crisp burrow]

either that or the one that looks cooler

[ancient pendant]

can you link talents?

[vivid tundra]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMMmhHYAAAAAAYWglZAAAAAAottZmhZmxYmZWmtZmZMwYmZmxMbWGzAsZWGYALBLDTghFA

[ancient pendant]

idk why the fuck i am doing that low right now

wait

[cedar flicker]

!wa

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[vivid tundra]

im also 9 ilvl lower than u, shouldnt happen

[ancient pendant]

you have ST build

[leaden viper]

do we have a envenom uptime weakaura

[vivid tundra]

werent we talking about st?

ohh

u were talking about st in m+

[ancient pendant]

ST in m+

[kindred hinge]

ST in M+

[ancient pendant]

i meant

yep

[vivid tundra]

lemme try that

ye

i still shouldnt be close to u

[ancient pendant]

i think i'm messing with ST rotation right now

will check what casualaddict_ is pressing

[waxen oyster]

its not a huge diff

dwarf is just the most passively useful race

[ancient pendant]

dwarf is better ST + def

NE = shadowmeld is like def ability too

[waxen oyster]

dwarf isnt best damage race first season

[ancient pendant]

but can restealth

[waxen oyster]

its usually orc

[kindred hinge]

And it doesnt change much for 99% of the player the race so play w/e you like.

[late ravine]

Just check ur details for uptime

[crisp burrow]

It looks too ugly to me tbh i wouldnt go dwarf

I was orc but got tired of it

[tardy trench]

Restealth on nelf bugs out most the time

[kindred hinge]

Would respect Highmountain tauren i an heartbeat if they were available for Alliance

[digital spindle]

I play Void Elf for the aesthetics

[waxen oyster]

its bot that it bugs out

meld is just old stealth

if you take any damage you wont get the combat drop

[waxen oyster]

also doesnt work on bosses

[vivid tundra]

do u have both sanguine blades and twist the knife?

think thats the problem

i just cant pool and make twist the knife valuable

[leaden viper]

i mean so i can maintain double envenom uptime in combat

[waxen oyster]

this is playable

[kindred hinge]

The WA pack here hahve trackers

[crisp burrow]

either worgen cause it looks cool human cause basic or night elf because its not that ugly and is useful

[leaden viper]

thank you

[kindred hinge]

!wa

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[waxen oyster]

my man just said worgen doesnt look ugly

💀

[thorn crater]

lmfao

[slim pasture]

Undead or BELF are the only rogue options

[crisp burrow]

idk man it looks good to me

goofy ass animations

[waxen oyster]

belf is ok if you dont play male

[tall jay]

Good morning gamers

[crisp burrow]

ill just go night elf

[slim pasture]

That’s implied

[thorn crater]

torrent goes hard this week

for bubbles

[thorn crater]

greeks ruining the game one build at a time

he has said multiple times that is only good for 13+ keys

[waxen oyster]

there are weirdos that play male belf

idk

[oak eagle]

look idk why its an eyepatch, but thats just the way it is

[waxen oyster]

if you care about what racials are “useful” just play dwarf

[pseudo cosmos]

human*

[ebon notch]

Nelf*

[lost grotto]

I play vulpera

[vivid tundra]

try swapping out sanguine blades for dashing scoundrel or doomblade
but meh u would lose too much aoe probably

[waxen oyster]

dont you play a class that only has 2 options

and belf is the better of the two

[ebon notch]

Ye but I was talking about rogue

[waxen oyster]

xD

[ebon notch]

Also technically night elf is better on DH for fear sigil skips

[hard sparrow]

goblin has a funny stealth animation

food for thought

[waxen oyster]

although “technically” psure belf is better from raw damage pov

[ebon notch]

Yes it is

[waxen oyster]

since crit>haste on dh

[ebon notch]

Which is why I’m belf

[heavy forge]

Gigachad over here.

[waxen oyster]

mine is belf becauase i cba with a racechange

its been the same char since legion

as much as nelf mogs slap harder

and fear sigil meld sneaking around

[ebon notch]

I still have my legendary gear sets haha

[lost grotto]

I also still have these in the bank haha

[waxen oyster]

yeah same

[kindred hinge]

Did a test on Raider boss dummy, I have same ilvl as you and roughly +100k at each time point. So there is something that is going on there esp considering I am fucked up a bit. Will try with your spec now

[mellow sun]

Can I look up my ttk double envenom uptime in logs?

[raven trench]

is there any MA rotation in m+ in the guide ?

[waxen oyster]

nothing changes

[faint vessel]

except your crit chance

🙂

[raven trench]

how when ur main rotation is when u are in subterfuge and invis ?

[waxen oyster]

?

what

[faint vessel]

you just garrote extra if you need to for silences

[waxen oyster]

yeah you already had a stealth opener

without subterfuge

due to IC+imp garr

[prime hull]

This build is losing to this one in my sim in both single target and aoe.

[raven trench]

so what u guys advice staying hybrid or playing MA ?

[faint vessel]

you just have 6 seconds more with subt (which the MA build uses) and you do your normal stuff. if it was 5 targets youd just go into envenom spam at the same time

[raven trench]

!guide

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IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[kindred hinge]

Tried with your spec end up at 950k at 4m again not playing it that well. wonder where the difference come from

[hollow warren]

Hey quick question I feel like I am struggeling in ST in dungeons, but my overall is fine could someone help me out figure out why that is?

[faint vessel]

when you say struggling are you comparing that to how you feel in raid ST, damage compared to other DPS in group, or both?

[hollow warren]

overall im at 1,8-1,9mil but in ST i struggle to keep the 1mil dps

[hollow warren]

compared to other DPS and also other rogues

I feel like I do something essential wrong but cant figure out what

[faint vessel]

you could upload a log to wcl and compare it if youre really curious

[hollow warren]

thats a good idea

[mellow sun]

i assume no

[hollow warren]

I am asking my friend to upload them right now

[modest apex]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[fathom cove]

In the pin:

Master Assassin/Twist the Knife are playable in M+ as well, you would play a regular hybrid build and drop sanguine blades for master assassin, and drop sudden demise for twist the knife.
is SB really the best option to drop for MA? In my sims, SD is the best option to drop for MA

[ancient pendant]

now i'm checking how i play without bloodlust + skyfury

2 mins is equal as raidbots

[subtle tundra]

wtf do you mean by that

[ancient pendant]

like i did 840-850, raidbots gave me 877k

[subtle tundra]

buddy

assa just does low st

[ancient pendant]

checking how i damage on dummy target

yep

but other rogue deal way more

so i'm trying to level my skill up

[subtle tundra]

stop just looking at numbers

theres different cds timings

different things you do on adds

assa st is very very straight forward

youre not gonna magically find 200k ST

[kindred hinge]

GB first boss depending how you send in corridor/ what your tank pull you will have one or two DM on it will significantly change the final number

[ancient pendant]

yep

i think that's the problem

i'm giving aoe burst

[subtle tundra]

also GB first boss i do bad ST every time cause i have to feint on CD

[ancient pendant]

and do zero dps on bosses

[subtle tundra]

so i have dog energy

[kindred hinge]

Why Vanish remove the spike btw ? Only ability to do so ?

[pseudo cosmos]

aoe incomming

[weary swallow]

Do you have dm + kb on pull for every boss that u linked earlier?

[sacred schooner]

alive dps do more damage than dead one

[subtle tundra]

hunter feign

[kindred hinge]

Which is not an issue if the comp is well rounded

[oblique smelt]

Thoughts on dropping sudden demise and getting double envenom in keys

maybe it was cursed this mist 12 but it was 1% of my damage

obviously the 10% bleed damage is nice but double envenom might be really nice for funnel/single target

[kindred hinge]

Can do w/e not going to make or break your key

[true elbow]

you called me out, I changed to female belf :,d

[kindred hinge]

Ok that why, I never seen someone dropping it I actively avoid hunters

[bright tartan]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[barren yarrow]

!wa

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[desert otter]

Has the lethality fix changed anything regarding our talents?

[grim jay]

its not a double envenom

[dull pulsar]

hey guys quick question on assa rogue last boss

[grim jay]

and its already a viable build

[dull pulsar]

of necrotik wake

[barren yarrow]

Like after the patch?

Or the new hotfix coming

[desert otter]

Nvm, i missed the pinned message.

[dull pulsar]

When do you send the offensive CDs on last boss of Necrotik Wake ?

[sonic raft]

!talents

[dull pulsar]

i tried doing on the shield then i almost die to the add downstairs, i tried on the add but that's just being dumb cause shield doesn't break

[grim jay]

just whenever they are up

[barren yarrow]

Umm. In NW you send CDs like normal?

[grim jay]

not on add tho

[lost grotto]

What

Who uses cds on the add

[barren yarrow]

lol.

I send my CDs on the big pack in NW before stitch but in a +10 it’s much different. Way more health.

[proper hare]

My alt rogue is an outlaw Tauren male

[reef isle]

what is the m+ buidl now am confused

with MA?

build*

[olive pivot]

Assassin is starting to feel pretty nice after getting IC

[subtle tundra]

L

[desert otter]

Question, as I seem to remember Whyspir saying in a video that we do not pandemic the envenom buff, but seen a lot of discussions around: Do we pandemic or wait for a buff to fall before casting envenom again?

[thick juniper]

!plater

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[thick juniper]

oh man, how do i decide!?

[prime hull]

Would you guys lose 1.3% damage for 2.8% damage reduction in m+? I'm feeling very squishy.

[proper hare]

Dying as rogue is weird champ

[grim jay]

if you talk about getting vers

no

[prime hull]

Yeah.

[proper hare]

Don’t stand in shit and use feint all the time pretty much

Save cloak for emergencys

[prime hull]

I have the Silken Court neck I can equip instead of my mast/crit neck. I'm trying 12-13 keys now and some mechanics are scary.

[grim jay]

odds are your are not using your def cds right or not using elusiveness

13 and below is nothing scary

unless you have no gear or the above

[prime hull]

But cheat death is so comfy.

[grim jay]

yeah

unlucky

bcs it sucks

and is griefing

in m+

[proper hare]

True and real

[grim jay]

even if you were stacking vers it would still be griefing to not play elusiveness

[prime hull]

City of threads was really trucking me on 13, both the first and last boss.

[sonic raft]

are ppl playing without serrated bone spikes now?

[grim jay]

ye both bcs no elusiveness

[prime hull]

I died from the circles on me on first boss.

[grim jay]

some weird ones do

[subtle tundra]

it is comfy but if you dont play elusiveness you just cant surive

[obtuse ruin]

Some people are some are not all builds good

[pseudo cosmos]

felt wack to me but try it for urself

[prime hull]

I'll try it, feels sad though.

[subtle tundra]

i hate it

🙂

[sonic raft]

i just returned from a 7 day vacation and copied some high rio spec but it was without it

[grim jay]

setup is so insanely slow

[sonic raft]

i dont like it either

got a link for ur spec Davyn?

im 2800 rating if that helps

[rotund monolith]

guys... i need funny dagger transmog that goes well with the murloc suit. I miss my floppy fish as outlaw. Anyone knows any fun xmogs?

[grim jay]

sec

[obtuse ruin]

MA might do a bit more overall but sbs feels good

[sonic raft]

thanks friend.

[grim jay]

feels pretty good

if you dont feel like the added vanish flexibility is useful to you

you can play 1 leth instead

[limber lion]

just paly both

[gritty laurel]

i'm a fan of the broken beer bottle and hot poker

[sonic raft]

so lethality is skipped now i see

[grim jay]

its a fairly low value point in m+

and I personally feel like vanish flexibility has more value

so you can just hold for certain pulls

without losing smth

[rotund monolith]

funny u mention the hot poker, im looking at farming that one actually 😄 i dont like the broken bottle

[sonic raft]

mhm

[summer mist]

Has someone tried to play with out energy tea

[sonic raft]

and no sudden demise / sanguine blades, well ima try it thank you

[grim jay]

hopefully not

[limber lion]

You can take Sudden instead of TTK

[warm flint]

we do well enough dmg without demise or sanguin, so sticking with spike is huge qol

[strange python]

yo any m+ pumpers who can send me your opener in AOE pls - and rotation (w/ subterfuge)

[warm flint]

not worth to drop em

[prime hull]

I simmed a lot of builds and this one I saw some top rogues playing keeps winning:

[gritty laurel]

the wowhead build is pretty optimized

[grim jay]

sbs is first and foremost less setup time

[summer mist]

Ambush then evanescence 2 targets

[gritty laurel]

wake them up?

[warm flint]

ttk over sang and its perfect

[lost grotto]

!wa

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[prime hull]

Try it, it loses in sim.

[proud dust]

!wa

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[warm flint]

it's not sth you'd measure on a sim

[grim jay]

sim isnt everything

[warm flint]

we do giga aor we dont need anymore

and st is not superb

ttk is so valuable on st burst

[strange python]

whats your ilvl / and dps on aoe?

[lofty acorn]

Does anyone know how this is possible? I've seen it on many dungeon runs and talent calc even says 32/31 talent points spent

[strange python]

seeing casual addict pull 9m on mobs and im only doing 2-3m makes me feel like im doing someting wrong in AOE

[prime hull]

Hmm this is simming 3% behind on overall and 3% ahead on single target.

[grim jay]

also has more prio damage

[subtle tundra]

there is a small chance youre doing something wrong!

[warm flint]

there is no way sb sims better than ttk on st wtf

[grim jay]

how small

[subtle tundra]

like 4

[warm flint]

there isnt even sb on st actually 😄

[lost grotto]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[strange python]

i mean im not as geared obviously, im only 620 but still thats a huge gap - what are people doing in AOE?

[grim jay]

SB isnt purely for ST damage

[prime hull]

The opposite, sanguine blades was winning by 3% in overall but losing by 3% on single target compared to TTK.

[grim jay]

and ye what he said

[barren yarrow]

So is the shift team macro like passive or do you have to press it?

[dusty crescent]

skardyns pop with dm kb on caustic

[warm flint]

lol

[dusty crescent]

i'm assuming

[warm flint]

welp ye, i rather the st

i want even more st

[golden lintel]

Are you using MA etc?

[warm flint]

an ele with pi does 2x my st bro

[strange python]

ah i dont have a hero or myth track skardyns grace yet so im using contract atm

[strange python]

his build does take MA yes

[golden lintel]

Yeah that's what I meant you have his build from the channel yeah?

[subtle tundra]

your talents are not the reason he does 3 times your dps

[golden lintel]

No but it adds up bit by bit

[lavish finch]

YO how is this doable ?

[subtle tundra]

yea but he does something majorly wrong

[golden lintel]

There is not one thing is multiple things

Right build is step one

[subtle tundra]

there is one thing he does wrong probably

[dusty crescent]

tell him your theory as to what it is then.

[golden lintel]

Right trinkets step two

[subtle tundra]

idk

get mark

get caustic

use cooldowns

[dusty crescent]

my assumption is trinket pop mark caustic kb

yep

same thought

[golden lintel]

Rotation step three

[subtle tundra]

one of those are probably not happening

[golden lintel]

etc etc

[subtle tundra]

but he needs to show

[dusty crescent]

yeah true

[subtle tundra]

thats the first thing you should look at when the disparity is that big

[strange python]

ok, so skardyns grace is actually kidna huge then, im using sacbrood + void reapers contract

[subtle tundra]

not a fucking talent

you dont notice

on the dps meter

[warm flint]

that difference looks more than that, you prolly dont use both caustic and crimson tempest

[golden lintel]

I mean if you build is fucked then your rotation will be fucked as well

[subtle tundra]

errrmmm do you play sanguine blades or sudden demise??

[strange python]

i do 100%

[subtle tundra]

no unless he plays ST build, i just assume he has a stock M+ build

where changing 1 thing wont matter

[golden lintel]

Well that's awfully silly of you to assume people are doing even that lol

[hollow cedar]

How high are the keys you are doing ?

[subtle tundra]

you have to show us a log or a video

[dusty crescent]

gives you a fuck ton of mastery bro

[subtle tundra]

otherwise we cant tell you

[dusty crescent]

^

[strange python]

right now only 10s

[limpid hearth]

Awfully silly to assume swapping trinkets is gonna net you 50% dps instead of your rotation

[warm flint]

i wouldnt dropping sbs under 12-13 keys

[subtle tundra]

if he does 9 mil you should do 5-6 mil easily

[gritty laurel]

even if it's not skardyn's, it's usually much better to run an on-use stat trinket over double passives

[dusty crescent]

awfully silly to assume that we ONLY said trinket

[warm flint]

i still wouldnt drop for 12-13 but might be doable there at least

[proven talon]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[golden lintel]

Nobody said that though?

[hollow warren]

Hey quick question I feel like I am struggeling in ST in dungeons, but my overall is fine could someone help me out figure out why that is? I also got logs

[warm flint]

on a 10 ppl kill half the pack till you even spread without sbs

[dusty crescent]

this dude wild to read only one third of our sentences