assassination

[quasi coyote]

so in m+ without ma would it still b better to tea at 6

[balmy condor]

what no

[barren island]

We were not struggling at all, was everything OK apart for a healer dying, but we have a lot of time to 2 chest, but then he decided to kill everyone 2 times just cuz hehe funny

[strange python]

That's fair, I mainly pug so tanks are a gamble. Maybe they aren't truly chaining, but even when doing big pulls and moving rapidly between them I still tend to find opportunity to restealth. It may well be that because I understood early that restealth value wasn't so important I just play around it

[quasi coyote]

well u say its cuz of ma and dashing if ur not running that then

its just better in general?

[ebon steppe]

So we still use envenom with 5+cp even if supercharger is up？

[subtle tundra]

If you join groups in which the leader is highish score then people with highish score will also apply. If you go into a group with the leader having only 9s done, good players don't apply

[balmy condor]

well those are the major factors yes, but why would you use tea on last 6 of kb

[grim jay]

the tea rule is tea while shiv without wasting energy overall tho

[true estuary]

Was going to ask a question, but then i decided to check wowhead first, to keep our boi's mental health safe

[balmy condor]

we haven't done that in a year

[quasi coyote]

when were u supposed to tea then xd

[grim jay]

I'd apply to your group no matter what you did

[quasi coyote]

b4 automation

[cold halo]

When you're thirsty

[ebon steppe]

When ur thirsty

[balmy condor]

for energy during shiv

[quasi coyote]

oh well ive always just pressed it at 6sec of kb for mastery

[grim jay]

there is a difference between during shiv for energy and it just naturally aligning with kb

[quasi coyote]

guess im cooked

[grim jay]

and doing it during every kb first and foremost

[subtle tundra]

You'd apply with me heal or tank? That's courageous

[balmy condor]

okay so you've been doing it wrong, which is now basically correct again

which is why we're macroing

[subtle tundra]

I want to play a meta tank

[balmy condor]

so you could've just macro'd the entire time

gg

[subtle tundra]

For fun

[quasi coyote]

i mean I've basically been playing with df knoledge until tuesday

[balmy condor]

yeah

could've macro'd then

if you're not going to play correctly anyway

[quasi coyote]

i coulda sworn i read that te at 6 was good

[inland fox]

why does the DS sim use vers mast belt?

[quasi coyote]

like somewhat recently

[balmy condor]

ye you read that from a 10.2 guide

[grim jay]

some people like to say random stuff they believe is right in chat, if it was here

[quasi coyote]

nah wasnt here

[subtle tundra]

Yes misinformation is also a thing

Streamers might say it too

Cause they bad

[quasi coyote]

was either a video or wowhead

[hollow warren]

when pooling we should still try to keep envenom up right?

[quasi coyote]

like 5 months ago

[balmy condor]

okay so you watched a 10.2 guide then

[quasi coyote]

i mean surely

[grim jay]

immediately reminded me of the tricks discussion

"muh top sin rogues run tricks"

[quasi coyote]

whats the logic behind not teaing at 6 tho

like it makes sense in my brain

[balmy condor]

why tea at 6 when tea at 8 same thing

and why tea at 6 and use brain

[quasi coyote]

cuz of last tic of kb idk

[balmy condor]

when just macro

and same damage

yeah but the last tick does the same as the previous like 5

so

no difference

[quasi coyote]

fair enough

[opaque wren]

shadowstep bug?

invalid target on enemis

[grim jay]

maybe wrong macro

[balmy condor]

don't think people realize that KB stacks up incredibly fast

like INSANELY fast

[subtle tundra]

Ttk does that...

[cold halo]

Could be faster

[subtle tundra]

Correct me whispyr

It's without ttk aswell

[balmy condor]

yes

it just stacks

really fast

just on its own

[barren island]

Kb makes our spatter do more dmg or dude is tripping

[balmy condor]

yep

[barren island]

Like A LOT more dmg

[balmy condor]

KB spatters

[barren island]

Really hard?

[balmy condor]

I mean

spatter is 40%

so it spatters 40% hard

idk

[barren island]

Hmm

[quasi coyote]

needs a buff only 40?

[drowsy hatch]

god I wish I would splatter 40%

[cold halo]

Spatters harder with DM

[barren island]

Spatter nerf isn't live yet right

[glacial crypt]

Someone at blizz is pushing lots of red buttons and panicking

[balmy condor]

it has been live

[barren island]

The one that buffed our set?

[balmy condor]

yes

2 weeks ago already

[barren island]

Lol

[subtle tundra]

😭

[vestal cliff]

hello people. Im sorry if this is a dumb question but what does subterfuge actually do? i dont understand it.

[balmy condor]

it extends all stealth effects

imp gar is 6 seconds?

now it's 12

pog

[true estuary]

basically keeps your stealth bar active for 6 seconds after stealth and also extends all stealth buff by 6 seconds

[balmy condor]

master assasin 6 seconds?

now it's 12

[barren island]

[vestal cliff]

ooooooooh okay

[sullen monolith]

is there a possibility to have a tracker for this tho?

[balmy condor]

wdym

[drowsy hatch]

theres a tracker on his wa now

[vestal cliff]

i was confused because it changes the tooltip for those aswell

[balmy condor]

my weakaura tracks it automatically

[sullen monolith]

hmmm

where?

[drowsy hatch]

the red bar on the left

[true estuary]

yes it does

[balmy condor]

red bar on the left is carnage

but there's also an MA tracker on top of energy

[vestal cliff]

yeah that confused the hell out of me XD didnt think blizzard is that smart XDDD

[sullen monolith]

aaaaaaaah!!

looool, i didnt realize it before 😄

[barren island]

Luxthos added kind of TtK tracker but it's useless

[true estuary]

they arent

[barren island]

Will need to copy just the whisp tracker

[glass lagoon]

Hey guys,

I swapped from DH to Rogue in war within, got some questions, who might help me

[drowsy hatch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

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Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drowsy hatch]

will help you most = )

[glass lagoon]

Sure, checked dosen of videos on youtube, I'm just curious about AoE damage dealt by me (it's close to nothing compared to others)

[true estuary]

Is the Kingsbane ramp up invisible? When i apply it, the debuff on the enemy states the same numbers the whole time

[deep marlin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[barren island]

@balmy condor did the ttk tracker on your wa got fixed? :3

[balmy condor]

yes

[barren island]

Luv u

[normal mist]

If you're doing what the guides say, and you still deal no damage, you might have low ilvl

[lusty crag]

hey guys ,i saw that you need to w8 for master assasin buff to end before you vanish/restealth if you dont you dont get it refreshed.
is this a bug ?

[forest mountain]

!wa

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[cold halo]

Damn so I wasn't tripping

It really is a bug

[barren island]

Wut

[forest mountain]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[lusty crag]

try to stealth remove it and then go in steath again

and see if the buff refresh

[primal oasis]

What are some good assa rogues to watch on youtube for m+ gameplay?

[spice horizon]

casual

[frozen jasper]

Casualaddict i guess. #1 assa rogue

[primal oasis]

Thanks , found him

[spice horizon]

he also does a lot of qa on disc if you need help

[leaden raven]

Can i check my understanding?

Outside of damage CD's where we just send it. In ST with TTK we keep 2 stack envenom buff up and envenom as close to it dropping as possible and can pool energy otherwise long as 2 buff is rolling and we're not at energy cap.

Tracking the right right time to envenom is a nightmare with async buffs

[sullen phoenix]

didnt they just buff sin 4 days ago and now they nerf it 😄

[drowsy hatch]

Tuning will do that

[grim jay]

as long as you dont start simming 10t patchwerk

for dungeons

[sullen phoenix]

i guess its not that big nerf

[subtle tundra]

Cause we didn't get buffed directly, it was a rework

A small one

That ended up being a dmg gain

[sullen phoenix]

oooh so basicly they reverse us

i mean our dmg

[drowsy hatch]

I mean theyre just tamping down the thing that got much better unexpectedly from the rework

[subtle tundra]

We are still on the +

Compared to before

[lusty crag]

@balmy condor Is master assasin working corectly ? The buff dosen't get refreshed if you vanish/stealth before the buffs is down.

[warm vortex]

So without bone spike is it ambush, Gar, Rup, Gar, FoL, Rup, FOk, CT then mutilate into envenom

[sullen phoenix]

thats great to hear !

[balmy condor]

yeh that's a known bug

[subtle tundra]

No, you just did a 3 cp rupture

[charred helm]

is there a way to sim with different flasks?

[drowsy hatch]

need a fok before rup 2

[warm vortex]

Oh yea

[glass lagoon]

That's part of the problem, but I'm still curious about the correct spell rotation. Does anybody have an explanation of rotation simplified, and which buttons to press.

[subtle tundra]

How are you so smart

[warm vortex]

Changed it

[subtle tundra]

Stop

[drowsy hatch]

they do call me megamind

aoe builder goes into finisher

[subtle tundra]

Holy. Shit.

[warm vortex]

Yes

[drowsy hatch]

• I like that build

[warm vortex]

Did you also know that when DoTs expire they stop doing dps

[grim jay]

the guide

[warm vortex]

Learnt it the other day

[grim jay]

it literally has pictures

[warm vortex]

Also if possible gonna try my first 12 later! :D

[subtle tundra]

Get outta here

Rly?

[barren island]

Lmao the face of joy

[warm vortex]

Did 3 11s the other day, one on Druid other two on rogue

[drowsy hatch]

I need some sims to show that one

[warm vortex]

I think? Might be bugged

[quaint knoll]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

so they got nerfed then buffed

ok blizz

[barren island]

90% of those slayers nerfs didn't made any sense

And mountain thane was uber shit

[queen cosmos]

On Mythic Kyveza do you guys cloak always at end of intermissions?

[warm vortex]

As an arms player

I’m happy

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[humble verge]

yeah, cause our fury is still topping in all the fights we do in raid lmao

[fringe perch]

convinced they've got a wheel set up that they just throw a dildo at to see who to buff and nerf each patch

[subtle tundra]

But if you're gonna die you can cloak whenever

[warm vortex]

Check boss damage

[plain flare]

If fury is still topping... U guys are playing wrong

[barren island]

Design a raid that has 6 out of 8 encounters with lots of low life adds that sync perfectly with our cds, fury top dmg, PIKACHU SURPRISED

[humble verge]

sorry for not being the 0.1% of dps

[humble verge]

real if true

[subtle tundra]

Fury does top the fights with adds

[barren island]

Ig that aura nerf they received also made sense

[subtle tundra]

Even after all the nerfs

[barren island]

Lol

[subtle tundra]

So idk what you're talking about

[queen cosmos]

I have noticed that if you get the 2nd line your second KB gets delayed and then your last 2mins come at 6:30 where its too close to enrage, doesnt that suck?

[pseudo cosmos]

on demand cleave class

[lunar lotus]

what is command to see if weakauras nuking my frames i forgor

[minor charm]

questions about bubbling wax, I tried searching no luck:

• Is it still bugged, meaning do you need to reapply if you die?
• It doesn't stack, right? Do you just place it on mh then?

[plain flare]

I'm passing the fury after the raid. And ik the guy knows what he is doing

[quaint knoll]

Is the an optimised race for assassination rogue? From the sim they all look pretty much the same

[barren island]

Wut

[plain flare]

Was surprised I got 1st on ovi'nax

[inner scroll]

is haste absolute irrelevant cause we always have slice n dice up ? (asking cause i am damn new to rogue)

[drowsy hatch]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[subtle tundra]

If you know the fight is long enough to get that last dm, you do quicker opener without envenom and just send the kb as fast as possible

[humble verge]

hm

[subtle tundra]

Even if you get the line

[humble verge]

i dont have enough for wrists+dagger now

[rotund oak]

for minmaxing dmg its mechagnome iirc

[humble verge]

dunno if i should even craft any of em, well maybe wrists

[quaint knoll]

but are we talking very minimal

[drowsy hatch]

very minimal

very very

[rotund oak]

all race-comparisons dmg wise are smol

[barren island]

Unless you are top 0.1% changing race cuz dps is lmao

[rotund oak]

dont expect to get 100k dps more from race swapping

[bleak crag]

Dwarf form+ or whatever you like

[subtle tundra]

On reclear I don't get the last dm so I don't do it anymore

[strange kindle]

If you're a nelf and go Mechagnome, assuming all your gear is bis, it's like a 13k dps increase

[drowsy hatch]

very very

indeed

[barren island]

Nelf 🤮

[queen cosmos]

Thats why i was thinking maybe cloak if you get second line to not have to run out and you just have to survive 1 intermission without cloak

[quaint knoll]

I just think blood elf or night elf looks nicer

[rotund oak]

Dont argue ppl,everyone knows Humans > all

[quaint knoll]

sick of being an orc

[barren island]

Void elf

all

[subtle tundra]

On first kills I did omega boss dmg

[quaint knoll]

How long does the void elf questline even take/

[barren island]

20min? 15?

[drowsy hatch]

all of the allied races are under 30 mins basically

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor its been a while since you wrote such a funny pin

[subtle tundra]

It's not worth it, if you kill someone cause you have to move it's absolutely dogshit

[thorn crater]

nice had a good laugh about it

[quaint knoll]

But I have do be alliance don't I 😦

[rotund oak]

u must be busy to open VE,better wait on que for 4 hours to brick a random key with ranodm ppl

[quaint knoll]

to do the quest

[rotund oak]

amirite?

[drowsy hatch]

sure but you can just do it right after you make one

[subtle tundra]

I play 6 sec cloak as well just for that. Less moving = better for teammates

[thorn crater]

just logged in and saw changes how many times have people asked so far to take second supercharge over second lethality because of the insane unfair giga nerf 😛

(which was a fix )

[cold halo]

Lethality dead

[queen cosmos]

Yeah i play that aswell its sweet anyway ty for help

[warm vortex]

Just read ma got nerfed :(
25% - 20%
This even that big?

[grim jay]

did you already try reading pins

[grim jay]

did you try reading pins

[subtle tundra]

Always happy to help a rogue trying to get better

[drowsy hatch]

hasnt even happened yet

[warm vortex]

Nope

[cold halo]

Dead in my heart

[rotund oak]

pins lie dont read them

[warm vortex]

Didn’t.know it was on pins

[rotund oak]

[drowsy hatch]

if theres anything meaningful, it's a pin

[grim jay]

ikr, they usually dont get updated immediately

[drowsy hatch]

to avoid this situation

[warm vortex]

Ah master Assa got buffed

Pog

[cold halo]

I was not being serious

[meager crane]

noob question, do I just throw kingsbane on main target in pack?

[drowsy hatch]

yeah throw it on a big boy and splatter off him

[grim jay]

and not funny either

[rotund oak]

jokes on u,food more than pins any day of the week

[grim jay]

after you spread bleeds ye

[cold halo]

Better luck next time ig

[meager crane]

were

werd*

[grim jay]

do you mean like

weird

or word

[meager crane]

word

LOL

[drowsy hatch]

think thats a word

[warm vortex]

I mean you spread bleeds because like

[drowsy hatch]

I was iffy there too

[warm vortex]

Yea I was gonna say

Haha

[meager crane]

werd

[grim jay]

I noticed I get angry faster

since I played some games of league again

someone should do a study on that

[meager crane]

did I just make you angry

[grim jay]

no not you

[pliant remnant]

Dead spec, time to reroll boomie

[drowsy hatch]

yes you

[meager crane]

❤️

[pseudo cosmos]

what champ do u play

[drowsy hatch]

you made him ENRAGED

remember all to invest in shadow priest stocks NOW for when they nerf caustic to 20%

[meager crane]

I apologize profusely

[grim jay]

akali yone zoe orianna gwen sett camille

with anything inbetween

[warm vortex]

My alts a boomer and I don’t know why they are buffing it

[pseudo cosmos]

yasuo>yonee

[cold halo]

I despise your champ pool

[mint valve]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[grim jay]

I hear that often

a friend says I play literally everything he hates to play against

[pseudo cosmos]

i play yasuo,draven,zed,akali,jhin

[warm vortex]

God I wanna run keys

[grim jay]

jhin is pretty cool, but with all the tanks currently I dont really like having him

[warm vortex]

At work tho >:(

[raven trench]

what that means stay under 50 % ?

[cold halo]

Get off work?

[grim jay]

its "old"

we dont play sanguine blades

rn

[pseudo cosmos]

working weekends - never again

nopers

[cold halo]

Orianna I can respect though

[ebon lava]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[ocean ferry]

guys in ST even if i only envenom if envenom buff is running out, i'm energy starving

any idea why?

[languid frigate]

So after a few days of testing, how we feeling about SBS? Is it a staple, I think I just need to be persuaded it's worth taking over Sudden Demise.

[grim jay]

bcs you spam and dont chain

probably

disregarding the basics like having rupture up and poisons applied

[ocean ferry]

what u mean by spam? i'm only using envenom if envenomBuff is less than 1 second

[ocean ferry]

y i have that

[grim jay]

then you shouldnt really run out of energy quickly

[ocean ferry]

so basically i envenom if the buff is lower than 1 second or i'm over 50% energy

[grim jay]

you dont play with sanguine blades

so no reason to do the 50% thing

[ancient rain]

guys how long is the gcd on rogue?

[thorny harness]

is it a good idea to craft a ring with one of my sparks?

[ocean ferry]

i'm playing with it, sry i meant m+ build

[thorn crater]

uhm

[grim jay]

well on m+ you usally run out of energy

[thorn crater]

if anythin gim trying to decide if i prefer SD over MA lol

[grim jay]

thats normal

[grim jay]

I do

play MA

feels better

imo

[mighty kiln]

Revert tea changes, now

[upper spear]

has anyone simmed Flamelash's Fiery Spike from the seasonal event

[drowsy hatch]

Nothing is worth it from brd

[random sandal]

!wa

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[upper spear]

figured as much but thought id see what it could do

cant seem to get the item to over 606 in Raidbots

[cold halo]

Can't you just get it at 626ilvl with the search function

[upper spear]

tried but wasnt working

[strange python]

Just revisited this, this morning again there's personal preference and trade offs etc. but curious as to why sbs is preferred over SD and SB?

Don't get me wrong I really like sbs, I think it makes the opener feel much smoother, but SB especially is a good chunk of damage

[pliant remnant]

I mean, the last sentence kinda explains that

[subtle tundra]

Cause it's faster and feels better

[balmy condor]

SB is a lot of damage in details but it’s also inflated cause it comes with a cost, whereas sbs/doomblade are the opposite, they look small on details but have a bunch of interactions and speed up the rotation in ways that details won’t show

So it’s easy to be like “well bigger bar better bar”

But that’s not really how that works in practice

[strange python]

That's fair, it definitely does feel better - I am a big advocate of it, was just curious

[strange python]

This makes a lot of sense, thankyou

[balmy condor]

Doomblade/sbs for example are 2 extra lethal dose stacks

Which is a pretty big buff to your deathmarks especially on bosses

Also just a good single target bump

[tacit otter]

Are there any gameplay optimization you working on rn for subt? Or mostly nothing new?

[balmy condor]

Not really atm

[strange python]

AHH very good point, I'd overlooked the lethal dose interaction....I was always of the view that doomblade was a fairly meek talent that just gatewayed sbs

[balmy condor]

Most of the work currently is making sure the 600 combinations all play like they’re supposed to

And ripping out the pooling logic for raid builds

[tacit otter]

I kinda hoped subt brings more gameplay changes with it, but yeah ty:))

[balmy condor]

Like does 1 subterfuge and no ma function in sims the way it’s supposed to? Idk guess I gotta find that out. Does 2 subterfuge and no ma function? What about 0 subterfuge with ma, and double vanish? And the pooling with sanguine blades and without and what about rupture spread with 2/2 scent? 1/2 scent? 0/2 scent? What if no CT, or double shiv, what if no kingsbane, what if supercharger?

Supercharger + fatebound?

Supercharger + master assassin?

What if supercharger and master assassin and deathstalker but not darkest night so your crit isn’t guaranteed, do I build to 5 still or only to 3

[hard sparrow]

Is Ovi'Nax just OP or do the sims not sim it properly? It sims better than any other trinket, but I have no clue how the sims work for it.

[balmy condor]

The sims keep the stacks under 20

[jagged parrot]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

So it plays the trinket “correctly”

[ebon prism]

Is pi valuable for us in m+? Should I be asking for it if I'm top DPS? Or just let someone else get it like... Iunno what class gets rly high value

[blazing pumice]

we're probably one of the better classes yes

[strange python]

Had a priest ask for the DPS to roll for it yesterday, I won on a 32

It's the little things in life 😂

[blazing pumice]

idk priests should know who they are pi'ing

[humble verge]

what the fuck are priests

[hard sparrow]

ty. Seems pretty achievable in normal play. I'll keep it for now until I get a better Myth Trinket than Sikran 😭

[humble verge]

and why are they in my keys

[balmy condor]

We are not good targets in aoe

What

[tacit otter]

Youre really living a nightmare with these talent combinations. Hope you stocked up on monster enough

[balmy condor]

We’re like middle of the pack in single target

And bottom 25% in aoe

[normal mist]

But feelcraft

[balmy condor]

The chances of the assa rogue being the best PI target in a dungeon

Are like

Insanely low

[blazing pumice]

i'm with a frost dk and ret atm

aren't we the best of those?

[balmy condor]

Fuck no

[pliant remnant]

No

[balmy condor]

Not even remotely

[languid frigate]

Is there a lower key level where taking SD is worth it over SBS for the lower health pool of the mobs?

[subtle tundra]

lol

[pliant remnant]

Frost is waaay better

[subtle tundra]

haste is our worst stat in aoe

[cold halo]

Frost dk is best by quite the margin

[balmy condor]

Yeah you would Pi the frost

10000% of the time

[subtle tundra]

youd drop something else

[balmy condor]

If you’re in a lower level key you should be taking both

[subtle tundra]

like sanguine

blyeds

[balmy condor]

Sbs speeds up openers in low keys

[real granite]

is this wrong then? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=139025339#gid=139025339

[balmy condor]

Is this wrong -> links spreadsheet

Yes

Don’t even need to open it

Spreadsheet bad

[trail scarab]

I really like sbs, felt really weird playing without it now

[balmy condor]

Oh

[grim jay]

but tricks is good

right?

[balmy condor]

It’s a fucking izen spreadsheet

[minor charm]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[balmy condor]

This fucking idiot

Aight it’s triple bad

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

1 for being a spreadsheet

And 2 points for being izen

[ebon prism]

Whispyr is atrophic or numbing psn better for high keys? In aoe, is it 100% uptime cuz of all of fok?

[real granite]

but are the sims wrong or what

[balmy condor]

Situational, probably atrophic, 100% uptime yes

[real granite]

you think you funny xD

[subtle tundra]

w what the shrigma

[ebon prism]

Ok ty

[balmy condor]

Yes, by definition of izen putting them together they are wrong

[real granite]

im genuinuly asking

[grim jay]

I am but you aint

[grim jay]

shrigma

[balmy condor]

Also that sheet is like almost 2 months old

But that sheet was some of the biggest misinformation during all of beta

Was an absolute nightmare

[real granite]

i dont even know who the fuck is izen

[languid frigate]

Where's the extra point coming from? Drop TTK? And is what key level is the threshhold do we think? 10s? 8s?

[balmy condor]

Nearly every single spec he listed was purely incorrect t

[ebon prism]

I don't trust any tank enough to not take tricks of the trade. I pull threat from pug tanks too often but I wish I could take the blind 30% Dr node instead

[grim jay]

it sucks anyways

[ebon prism]

Does it? Why?

[real granite]

never tried to be funny cause i never tried to mock anyone 😉

[royal lantern]

thats a take for sure

lol

[balmy condor]

Some YouTube/streamer guy that labels himself as an informative guy and then spouts the most silly stuff you’ve ever seen

[hard sparrow]

only applies to you

[ebon prism]

6 sec 30% Dr for the tank

Ohhhhh what

[strange kindle]

So true

[hard sparrow]

ye. i thought it was whole party too xD

[ebon prism]

BRUNDEEN

[strange kindle]

🫡

[hard sparrow]

the wording is horriffic

[ebon prism]

Why r u here

Papa brun

[balmy condor]

???? It is

[grim jay]

even worse if you were serious with that whole thing

[strange kindle]

I'm a rogue aren't I

[balmy condor]

The mob deals 30% less damage

[real granite]

so, there is another comparative table of sims out there or what

[balmy condor]

Bloodmallet is good

[hard sparrow]

what

[balmy condor]

What what

The aoe blind damage reduction

[hard sparrow]

am i being fed misinformation by my healer?

[balmy condor]

It makes the mob deal less damage

[ebon prism]

Are u maining rogue? But you're eu realm sadge

[ebon prism]

U tried to feed it to me too!

[balmy condor]

We used it on tindral prog during the roots breaking

[real granite]

but bm is only st aint it?

[dapper halo]

this weeks affix, the ball thing, does blinds aoe effect work on it

[balmy condor]

Was the strongest raid defensive for that break

[strange kindle]

Right now I am, while my friend wants to try tanking

[balmy condor]

The adds pulsing aoe damage

The aoe blind alone was an insane DR for the raid

[ebon prism]

Wow

[balmy condor]

We moved an entire priest barrier off the add set cause of the blind DR

[grim jay]

you know that tanks actually struggle on higher keys on plenty packs right?

[hard sparrow]

I believed my healer, he played this game like 10 years longer than me xdd

[ebon prism]

So if my tanks aren't trash at holding threat, I should take the blind dr node?

[molten echo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

the group aspect aside

[strange python]

Yes

[dapper halo]

i think ive observed my blind work on theballs IF you do it via a mob

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dapper halo]

if you single target ball, it only destroys one ball

[balmy condor]

Correct

[dapper halo]

so i wasnt hallucinating

[ebon prism]

Can I apply the blind debuff to bosses/elites, even if they don't get blinded?

[balmy condor]

No

[ebon prism]

Dang

[balmy condor]

They have to be able to be disoriented

[grim jay]

also if its not you thats getting hit, with as little as it does for sin its just someone else taking aggro

with a bad tank

[ebon prism]

What do u mean as little as it does for sin

[dapper halo]

so, if i apply blind to a mob that is immune to blind, but the mobs around it ARENT immune to blind, what happens

[grim jay]

we barely generate any aggro in the first place, so we transfer very little aswell

on the setup

[balmy condor]

Also the other fun thing about tricks which many people don’t recognize is that tanks have an aggro multiplier built into all their shit

Tricks doesn’t get that multiplier

[ebon prism]

Oh true

[balmy condor]

We just transfer our shitty threat

One thunderclap is like 10 seconds worth of opener aggro

[dapper halo]

shitty threat is better than nothing

[ebon prism]

So I should really... Tricks after my setup into envenom spam, because I pull threat every time on the prio target

[dapper halo]

thats why i give tricks to tank via focus macro

[balmy condor]

The only thing you’re actually doing is making sure you personally don’t get aggro

But like if a mage or a dk goes ham

[dapper halo]

some tanks seem to be really derp with aggro

[balmy condor]

Your tricks won’t save them

[dapper halo]

i know

i fucking know

[grim jay]

in that case no

its actually nothing

[ebon prism]

Nothing can save mages anyway. The wind blows and they're dead

[dapper halo]

seems like no

[balmy condor]

What about a 30% damage reduction on an aoe disorient

[grim jay]

mage is at fault if they get aggro ngl 😄

[balmy condor]

Could I interest you in that?

[grim jay]

they have more than enough tools

[ebon prism]

Yes, I'll take it

I'm a believer now

[balmy condor]

Amen

Another believer

[late gulch]

atm am using candlestick as a trinket due to not having anythingh better. will a skar trinket from GB be a big upgrade?

[balmy condor]

Take that @glacial crypt stupid poopyhead

[ebon prism]

Is this a joke

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

now you need to convince the other top rogues so that the discussion doesnt happen anymore

[dapper halo]

what is this 30% damage reduction thingie

[balmy condor]

Blackjack

[ebon prism]

Tricks choice node

[nimble vector]

It blinds things around it, you can target bosses on silken court and it will blind scarabs

[balmy condor]

Yah

It’s just aoe blind

Like each target

Is evaluated on its own

It casts it on everything

And if that target can’t be blinded, it doesn’t get blinded

And if it can be blinded, it gets blinded

[late gulch]

thanks 🙂

[dapper halo]

blind is really powerful cd

now that its aoe

[balmy condor]

It is

[dapper halo]

thats why i have it on mouse scroll

[pliant remnant]

[hard sparrow]

does it work on the affix now if you target one of the balls? or only if you target a mob?

[dapper halo]

wheel forward: blind, wheel back: throw dart (or wtf it is)

[balmy condor]

Only mob

[dapper halo]

if you cant be in melee range, the dart throw is a nice cp generator

[thorn crater]

uhm why is that "correct"? which stacks are we talking about the agi ones or the mastery ones?

[balmy condor]

So wheel forward: useful, wheel backwards: waste of 40 energy

[dapper halo]

i know but

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter, as long as it’s under 20, over 20 the stacks get a huge penalty

[leaden raven]

either and because they lose 60% efficiency after 20 so it's "bad"

[dapper halo]

if you cantbe in melee range due to mechanic

its better than nothing

[balmy condor]

Then you wasted 40 energy

You have 300 max energy

Just sit and wait

[thorn crater]

oh do they

[dapper halo]

better to pool it?

[thorn crater]

ok

[balmy condor]

Yes ofc it’s better to pool it

[leaden raven]

did you even read the trinket tooltip haha

[dapper halo]

hm, okkaidesu

[balmy condor]

Have you checked how much damage the throw dagger does?

It’s 1/11th the damage of a mutilate

[dapper halo]

i know

[balmy condor]

For 80% of the cost

[native seal]

is darkest night not triggering on supercharged 5 CP intended?

[dapper halo]

but its the cp generation

[balmy condor]

It’s awful

[dapper halo]

sometimes it procs 2cp

[balmy condor]

It does trigger

[balmy condor]

Yes, the least efficient 2cp of your entire life

[dapper halo]

yes senpai

tho im 40, how old are you

[balmy condor]

25

[dapper halo]

youre not senpai

lol

maybe SME

[balmy condor]

I could be whatever you want me to be

Just please unbind throw knife

[dapper halo]

that sounds salacious

[pliant remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[thorn crater]

fuck no, X is the ranged attack button

[hard sparrow]

but it applies poisons

[dapper halo]

it UPKEEPS poison stack on rashanan

[pliant remnant]

X is the sit button

[dapper halo]

thats where i really use it

[pliant remnant]

It's very important when somebody places a fire

[dapper halo]

so it has its rare use ;3

[trail tree]

last time i pressed throw knife was to pull some random pack in m+ to troll my buddies

[balmy condor]

Okay well as a 100 parse haver on mythic rasha’nan, unbind the damn button

[dapper halo]

;3

[thorn crater]

what do u guys have on F button

[dapper halo]

vanish

[pliant remnant]

Evasion

[dapper halo]

feint is on g

[hard sparrow]

hover kick

[dapper halo]

so i sometimes vanish when im supposed to feint

[balmy condor]

Vanish on F yeah

[normal mist]

F is my mobility button. So sprint for rogue

[proper hare]

Vanish on control middle mouse gang

[ebon prism]

Yeah but u don't have 100 parse on mythic queen so I don't rly know if we should trust u on that

[dapper halo]

shift e for sprint

[thorn crater]

long time ago was blind for me, swapped it to KB cause exsa took the old KB button then i put the RC

now its empty

i have sprint on shift f

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[trail tree]

fok on f

[balmy condor]

CAUGHT

[dapper halo]

my keybinds are on my muscle memory

[thorn crater]

i have vanish on Y

evasion on 6

lmfao

[pliant remnant]

wow pikkuhukka

how did you acquire this "muscle memory"?

[hard sparrow]

6 binded

[subtle tundra]

would you trust me?

[dapper halo]

20 years of play

duh

[thorn crater]

hey i put it there when i was 14 years old

havent moved it since

didnt even know i could have more keybinds back then

[ebon prism]

I guess I have to

The numbers don't lie

[glacial crypt]

Your eyes are for the crows

[dapper halo]

i think i have like .. 17 different keybinds

wow

how the fuck do i remember them all

[pliant remnant]

Ah, I guess I'll have to make do with just not having muscle memory before I get to 20 years of WoW then

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor your name seems sus

[glacial crypt]

It's a mere façade you're right not to trust it

[dapper halo]

the last patch day rendered whispy catatonic

[royal lantern]

you just play tbh

musclememory comes after some time

[dapper halo]

so many derp questions all at once

tho, i started 31.12.2005

so not 20 years

[balmy condor]

Yeah whispyr so like having rank 1 is cool but you didn’t kill it first, team liquid did, so what does exile think?

Oh what’s that? You help exile out with theorycrafting during the race? Oh well that’s cool but liquid actually didn’t win the last 3 races, so what’s kush from echo think?

Ah he disagrees? See, I knew you were a fraud, fucking scam wowhead writers cucks

[glacial crypt]

Most real shit

Own that fraud @questionasker

[dapper halo]

thats why i called whispy sme, subject matter expert

its a term used in mil aviation

[marble hemlock]

True, go to icy veins instead, it's written by someone who actually got his rank 1s legit and on his alt.

[balmy condor]

I’m always an expert until I say something that puts their world view in question

And then I’m a shitter

[dapper halo]

even shitters have their uses

[glacial crypt]

Something something tricks something something

[marble hemlock]

dw to some of us you never stopped being one in the first place. thats how you know we're your real friends

[balmy condor]

I converted someone

My numbers grow stronger by the day cuddle

[glacial crypt]

You've converted too many, pee boy

[balmy condor]

Your army shrinks

[royal lantern]

and he has a cool cat

[visual vault]

Confirmed didnt know wax had a visual KEK

[undone eagle]

they changed that you cant use buzz-rune & primal whetstones anymore? KEKW

[balmy condor]

Soon there will be nothing left of your pitiful tricks kingdom

[glacial crypt]

Numbers matter not when the brain power is as strong as it is

[balmy condor]

Real actually I’m so cooked

[marble hemlock]

whispyr has 2, so i lose on that front

[dapper halo]

sorry, 19 keybinds, lol

[glacial crypt]

You will be felled by the mere stratagem of my people

[dapper halo]

forgot vanish and stealth

[royal lantern]

Nova is iconic

whisp never shows his cats

[visual vault]

Washed i write the guides to ruin parses now

[undone eagle]

Guys how do i access to bubbling wax again? Was it the vendor at kobold?

[balmy condor]

Gonna make a guide about how to have as many ground effects as possible on my screen at once

[midnight atlas]

assa dead again, cant believe they nerfed us by 5%

[neat goblet]

yo, is someone using archon for talents? they somehow put a point into echoing reprimand while only allocating one point into supercharger, is it just not updated yet?

[marble hemlock]

true, he doesnt even have emotes of his cats

[visual vault]

My mid range pc will explode

[dapper halo]

also: thps2 soundtrack slaps

most of it, not all

[hard sparrow]

do you not reuse buttons with shift/alt?

[balmy condor]

My cats are just more private idk, maybe they don’t like whoring themselves out on the internet for attention like nova

[dapper halo]

yea

[balmy condor]

Ever think of that?

[dapper halo]

yea i do

[glacial crypt]

Okay settle down

There will be no cat slander

[dapper halo]

i have 4 alt / shift keybinds

[pseudo cosmos]

fan of knives

[hard sparrow]

bruh

[dapper halo]

fish cannon is ofcourse on E

(fok)

[royal lantern]

damm, thats hater energy

[balmy condor]

I’m just saying, nova seems like she has a lot of self confidence issues and needs the validation from people

[hard sparrow]

1/3 is shift 1/3 is alt for me xD

[balmy condor]

My cats don’t have self confidence issues

[glacial crypt]

Maybe Nova just enjoys the attention because she knows she's a baddie

[dapper halo]

i wanna see whispys kitties

[balmy condor]

They have a drinking problem and a gambling addiction like their father, cause I’m based

[dapper halo]

[balmy condor]

Fatherless behavior on god

[glacial crypt]

Wait till you see what I got

[grand trail]

Assa pins are 10/10

[dapper halo]

very skibidi

[dapper halo]

KITTY! :3

[glacial crypt]

Such a good kitty

[marble hemlock]

all cuts are sluts, sorry

[dapper halo]

same colors as my big sis kittie

[glacial crypt]

Whispyrs kitties are on the streets when his back is turned 💯

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[dapper halo]

stoner kittie after surgery

[glacial crypt]

This channel provides

At all times

[dapper halo]

he swallowed some hay

[dapper halo]

and had to go to surgery

my big sis has two of those cats, both have that cool camo

[pearl dust]

guys if u have a rog for a mythic plus and another for raid what race u select for that 2? 😄

[dapper halo]

those cats are nightmare to look for if they get into the woods lol

[balmy condor]

Take note people, when you ask a dumb question in the channel and I respond with ?????

This is actually what I look like

[dapper halo]

but the cat is cute

[marble hemlock]

and this is the sound he makes https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv/clip/ObeseAthleticBottleHotPokket?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[balmy condor]

God fuck

That was for your ears only seli

[marble hemlock]

then why did you do it on stream in front of dozens of people?

[dapper halo]

soon whispy makes of for those exclusive nyaas

[balmy condor]

I had 5 viewers back then

And 4 of them were you

[marble hemlock]

i didnt even get to see it live

[balmy condor]

Sure

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/Wpu0tHu.jpeg

you know who to blame @wild lantern

[balmy condor]

Well ofc it’s clipped by her

Everything ugly in this world is her creation

[dapper halo]

oh god

ill have nightmares of that super uwu

[pearl dust]

why undead?

[balmy condor]

How do you think I feel

[dapper halo]

very ptsdy

my neighbour keeps insisting i can make super good "psychopath laughter"

[balmy condor]

Gonna walk into a job interview and they’re gonna be like “so we see here you did a nyaaa a couple years ago, has that gotten better over the years? Here put these cat ears on and purr if you want a job” and I’ll be sobbing on the floor going “PLEASE THIS IS AN ARBY’S I CANT GET A JOB IN MY FIELD JUST LET ME GO”

[dapper halo]

that sounds like an actual ptsd

also i like sieg of boralus

[balmy condor]

My guy, I have uwu’d on stream with permanent internet proof

[pseudo cosmos]

[balmy condor]

But you will not catch me saying I like siege

That’s a step too far

[dapper halo]

but i actually like it

even tho the last boss super bullshit mechanic, the fucking ring thin

3 melees = lol

[balmy condor]

It’s a great dungeon if it weren’t for the layout, the trash, the bosses, or the mechanics

[dapper halo]

or grim butthole is nice

[pseudo cosmos]

fuck grim butthole

animals everytime

[dapper halo]

i refuse to use the trinket that comes from that place

so boring

[unborn helm]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[dapper halo]

wish we still had trinket like the one from saurfang

[pseudo cosmos]

wish waycrest manor was back

[dapper halo]

back then i had ARP on every slots

and i absolutely dominated dps

[silver escarp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dapper halo]

armor pene was such a broken stat, glad it got removed

[woven shore]

Aha

Master assassin nerfs?

[pseudo cosmos]

?

[woven shore]

Because having 25% cr for potentially 2 envenoms was too op?

[dapper halo]

is it really that big nerf

could be worse

[woven shore]

Lmao

Its not big for sure

[merry shale]

what's the nerf?

[woven shore]

But why anyway lol
Like
Someone at the office was bored and thought hmm fuck it lets make it 20%

[balmy condor]

The problem is less the 2 envenoms and more the “having 25% crit for 12 seconds on every pull”

Ma is just super fucking good

[pseudo cosmos]

ye whats the harm in this

[tacit otter]

wdym why? ma is overtuned and aoe performance especially

[native seal]

should i be using double ironclaw whetstone as raid/M+ enchantments heard casualaddict say bubling wax might be worth in ST

[trail scarab]

Do you play ma in m+?

[balmy condor]

Double whetstone if you have it

[balmy condor]

Yah lot of people have started to

[naive crane]

@balmy condor for the aoe ramp without bonespike opener is it ambush/gar/gar/ rup? I find it abit confusing :X

[balmy condor]

2/2 subterfuge and MA has been pretty crazy turns out

[trail scarab]

Ah ok, will try when i get home

[balmy condor]

It’s the same thing but you have to generate between ruptures

[dapper halo]

so, do you take the point away from sanguine blades then, on m+ build

[balmy condor]

Yes

[pseudo cosmos]

yep fuck that shit off

[royal lantern]

what do we drop for subterfuge/ma again? lethality+supercharge for subterfuge, and Sanguine bladess for MA?

[trail scarab]

Do u get rid of sbs and the mutilate then and get ttk and ma?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[trail scarab]

Oh mb

[royal lantern]

thanks

[merry shale]

why not drop the iron wire?

[royal lantern]

cease

[balmy condor]

I mean I don’t really recommend getting rid of svs

[dapper halo]

iron wire is good for shutting up casters

[humble verge]

for higher keys, would it be better to swap out 1 LD node for sang?

[pseudo cosmos]

becuase 12 seconds silence in mobs that spam cast is busted op

[balmy condor]

Because you don’t wanna get rid of the strongest utility/defensive talent in the whole game

[ocean ferry]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

No

[trail scarab]

Ironwire is insane imo

[balmy condor]

Lethal dose is giga required

[humble verge]

i AM simming better that way tho

but by like 40k

30*

[dusty phoenix]

why does bot do that 10s into pull? on ST
I assume hes building for mark? but why 4 builders with shiv

??

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice?

[humble verge]

yes

actually

forreal this time

not trolling

[marble hemlock]

are you gonna play better that way tho?

[humble verge]

(i am)

[balmy condor]

Cringe fucking fight style holy fuck

Burn dungeonslice with fire

I hate this stupid sim

[trail scarab]

I am probably just noob but sbs makes opener feel 10 times better

[humble verge]

yeah but like

[trail scarab]

For aoe

[humble verge]

WHAT AM I GONNA SIM WITH THEN

5 PATCHWERK?

i am going crazy

[marble hemlock]

wow, but when i said it 4years ago i got called out

[pseudo cosmos]

4 Years

times change

[balmy condor]

I mean dungeonslice is a suggestion stop cooking

[humble verge]

i was never cooking

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to take a bad simulation and just burn it to a crisp

[dapper halo]

jesse, we must cook

[humble verge]

as i said yesterday

i got told to sim 5 patchwerk 2min

lmao

[balmy condor]

Okay well that guy is stupid

I can’t fix that

[marble hemlock]

i used to sim st and then 5t 2min to get an idea of whats best for aoe and st, and then made a decision what dmg i need more of in a m+

[humble verge]

literally what i used to do ^

[ocean ferry]

If I don’t play SB but deathstalker should I still aim to be below 50% energy?

[balmy condor]

What I can say is that no single sim is good at estimating what dungeons are like

You gotta use some brain power

And just balance what you think is good

[balmy condor]

No need to, as long as you’re not overcapping energy it doesn’t matter

[marble hemlock]

i think im gonna play supercharge, FI, subterfuge and without a trace and drop tea+vigor+leeching because imo i have enough energy on aoe anyway.

[pseudo cosmos]

another gb run

[balmy condor]

Unironically what fatebound does kinda

[dusty phoenix]

is supercharge even worth without 2 shiv charges?

[balmy condor]

Of course

[marble hemlock]

if you press shiv on cooldown you lose a whole shiv charge in a 30 minute run

[dusty phoenix]

but isnt tea also giga value for the mastery?

[marble hemlock]

doubt it

[warm vortex]

Tea is good if you get thirsty

Or have a sore throat

[dusty phoenix]

I've been running this

thought it worked fine

[ancient pendant]

guys

[balmy condor]

Yes that is one of the builds

Out of like

[ancient pendant]

what is the best gb build rn?

[balmy condor]

20 that exist atm

[marble hemlock]

i mean i was mostly memeing

[ancient pendant]

do i need iron wire?

and CT in GB?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Yes

[ancient pendant]

hm

[merry shale]

its giga confusing xd

[balmy condor]

Iron wire and crimson tempest are just simply required

They are cornerstone talents for the spec

[ancient pendant]

this one is better for 13 GB?

[balmy condor]

Idk why anyone would consider dropping them

Looks fine

[subtle tundra]

like assa m+ starts with CT, Caustic, Iron Wire, IC, kB

[dusty phoenix]

people always be screaming BUILD DIVERSITY PLS but when it actually hits everyone is confused and doesnt know wtf to do xdd

[merry shale]

but for the first time there is variability in the tree

[ancient pendant]

thinking about 2 shivs

[subtle tundra]

you cant play without those

[balmy condor]

True

[ancient pendant]

yep

just asking

[frigid wing]

wowhead fully up to date?

[ancient pendant]

ty gentlemen ❤️

[balmy condor]

What are you trying to get out of it

[marble hemlock]

recipe on how to microwave frozen eggs

[merry shale]

that's what i ended up coming to

[balmy condor]

It’s not gonna have the top 40 m+ builds listed in order of relevance

That seems to be what most people are asking for these days

[dapper halo]

airfry egg for 10minutes then scare it with cold water = profit

[balmy condor]

But everything else is fine

[frigid wing]

i see the anima charge ability is removed/ changed wanted to know about that and some ST stuff

[dusty phoenix]

we need subcreation back

_>

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s all fine

[marble hemlock]

its missing the step of "smash it on kitchen counter after"

[balmy condor]

Archon is just subcreation but better

[marble hemlock]

are you getting paid to say this?

[balmy condor]

No

I fucking hate archon

[marble hemlock]

are you allowed to say that?

[balmy condor]

Maybe

Im not allowed to not say that

[ancient pendant]

they removed double dip from lethality, TTK and Lethality still worth it?

[marble hemlock]

[hollow elk]

FI is the way

[ancient pendant]

sorry, forgot to check pin

[daring hamlet]

at least part of it with crimson tempest is the sheer efficiency of the dmg, it's quite strong actually.

[balmy condor]

Well without the double dip, ttk is technically better no?

[umbral cypress]

hello

do we try to stay above 50 enrgy at any time?

[marble hemlock]

80

[ocean ferry]

But with SB we do? Or just prevent overcap?

[marble hemlock]

you dont wanna press abilities on st

until youre >80 energy, since that will take you just above 30

[balmy condor]

Yeah, they kept buffing it until its perma good

[marble hemlock]

which means no tea proc

[balmy condor]

With sanguine you want to be under 50% energy

[subtle oyster]

SB sucks your energy. Meaning less finishers.

[ancient pendant]

i have some problems on ST boss in m+, dealing way lower damage than FDK/mage/etc.

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s normal

Welcome to assa

[warm vortex]

We should get more poisons, was rlly cool when they added amplifying

[ancient pendant]

ahaha

1 thing to ask quickly

[umbral cypress]

mostly in raid right?

[subtle tundra]

very important in m+

[marble hemlock]

in st, yes

[dapper halo]

serrated bonespike bug, will it endure for a year (yes)

[subtle tundra]

so you dont proc tea at the end of pulls and shit

[umbral cypress]

so maneg enrgy so we have tea on our kb right?

sry bad english

[balmy condor]

What bug

[ancient pendant]

should i wait for Darkest night proc, use tea + Deathmark + shiv + vanish + huge envenom?

or just doing casually

[dapper halo]

it seems to linger on target even if im dead lol

[ancient pendant]

it supposed to be

[subtle tundra]

thats just how it is

[balmy condor]

…yeah

[ancient pendant]

ahahah

sorry for this types of questions

guys

[dapper halo]

silly really

[subtle tundra]

it has been the case since shadowlands

[lost narwhal]

Simmed most of the combinations this morning:

[balmy condor]

It’s a permanent dot

[ancient pendant]

WOW

LEGEN

D

[warm vortex]

Holy shit the permanent dot lasts forever?

[balmy condor]

I ain’t reading that

[warm vortex]

:0

[warm vortex]

Oh nice cheers!

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[subtle tundra]

simming every target count in the game, streamer style

[lost narwhal]

bottom one doesn't have silence so will do top dps, but I'd still run silence

[ocean ferry]

So in ST we basically don’t press anything if < 80 energy? Except during cds

[true reef]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
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LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

I also have access to excel

I just don’t need to prove that I do

[subtle tundra]

do you realise how 2 vanish simming works? and how its extremely overvalued in those sims?

[marble hemlock]

shouldve added the margin of error to all of these so people can see that multiple builds all perform within margin

[lost narwhal]

Nope, but I'd love to be enlightened 🙂

[subtle tundra]

The pull always starts with 2 vanishes and uses both
in m+ that only happens to 1 pull

when its a whole dungeon