Do we change much up in how we play with MA / subter in M+?
#assassination
worthy axle
rotund oak
no
azure flare
not really
azure flare
same as in raid basically
rotund oak
u r welcome friend
rotund oak
u can also read the guide,im sure its updated
azure flare
turbid crest
Small question that i didnt see on the guide or maybe im bad af
when u open on aoe
x2 garrot x2 rupture ok
hollow river
gib plz
stray adder
after that u apply ur mark proc with envenom
you open with double garrote if you have darkest night yes and then the next max cp envenom you cast will apply mark
hollow river
after that u apply ur mark proc with envenom
If you don’t have Darkest Night active you have to Ambush to apply the Mark
azure flare
first pull
always ambush
anything past that garrote and envenom will proc mark
if u somehow lost your night buff
ambush again
if u have subterfuge fyi
u can ambush later too
as long as its during sub being up
rotund oak
right ?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps its rup=>rup=>gar=>gar=>fok=>fok=>ct
rotund oak
yes u cant
w/o sbs u fok=>rup for the 2nd rup to get scent stacks
unless ofc u dont play with scent which changes things,it would also be more clear if u have read the rotation 
spice lagoon
I like playing rogue because it’s challenging = easy
rapid barn
I know it's probably asked a fair amount but is there a Haste % i dont want to go under ?
azure flare
no
drowsy hatch
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
tired gull
the only stat that matters is agility
the only stat that matters is ilvl
runic hinge
the only stat that matters is agility
The only stat that matters is boss is dedge
lavish panther
The only stat that matters is how many mounts you have
balmy condor
the channel has slowed down significantly
latent badger
only stat that matters is being the best version of yourself
this but real
balmy condor
maybe we're free to be happy again
latent badger
the channel has slowed down significantly
NA bedtime, give it a few hours
balmy condor
idk EU wakey time is usually far worse
latent badger
still sleepy hours for most eu
urban lily
question, when running sb we want to keep energy 150+ on ST? or we want to clip envenoms :3
balmy condor
question, when running sb we want to keep energy 150+ on ST? or we want to clip ...
under 150
balmy condor
you want to avoid it, yes
urban lily
even without ttk?
azure flare
yeah even without
urban lily
ty!
urban lily
):
balmy condor
smoking isn't healthy
lavish panther
I just started againa few weeks ago and read the wowhead guide, I’m 610 and can’t really get useful gear from anything but weekly vault, weekly heroic raid and mythic+. How fucked am I on trying to ever get into my guilds mythic raid night and can I ever catch up in ilvl
urban lily
living isnt healthjy
azure flare
I just started againa few weeks ago and read the wowhead guide, I’m 610 and can’...
you can def catch up in ilvl
balmy condor
I just started againa few weeks ago and read the wowhead guide, I’m 610 and can’...
the catchup is m+
balmy condor
can full spam m+ to 626
runic hinge
Spam mythic + and get some crafted 636
lavish panther
Pog
honest pelican
pugging m+ keys can be rough too, but if you keep spamming em eventually get plenty done
azure flare
ah shit well there u go
and yea dont forget ur crafted gear
its like 4 636 items now
lavish panther
Yeah I can top DPS +6s easily but no one lets me in because shit mythic rating lol
azure flare
best to do own keys and have your guildies help u out maybe
ask them to tag along in their keys or vice versa
game's more fun when ur not alone
lavish panther
They’re all close to 630 so they only do like +10s but I’ll try. Thank you guys!
oak tangle
can do 10's at 610-615, especially if they are 630
stray adder
the catchup is spamming GB until skardyn
hollow talon
hows everyone boomie reroll going
oak tangle
wasn't fotm to begin with, wont be one now
zenith cedar
the catchup is spamming GB until skardyn
this was my catchup, a solid 300 crests spamming gb 8
stray adder
that's the only way
zenith cedar
if you have gold you can also send 1m and get two myth track pieces
my rogue is two weeks old and 627 with 300 crests left to spend
stray adder
not worth, I can't even raid this tier, my FPS in nerubar is negative 60
earnest timber
theyre fixing that apparently SOON TRADEMARK
balmy condor
not worth, I can't even raid this tier, my FPS in nerubar is negative 60
elvui?
zenith cedar
Rogue being able to triple dip from the recrafting bug means its quite easy to gear up
stray adder
big time
stray adder
yeah im getting annoyed the loading times
frail kiln
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
are fucking disgusting
lavish egret
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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hot nexus
why do sims blow vanish at different times during dm/kb when using master assassin? sometimes it's right after dm, others for master assassin to cover the end of dm/kb
zenith cedar
of all the rogue UIs ive seen I have to say I much enjoy CasualAddict's, its very clean
zenith cedar
Yeah I use NawohUI, import @balmy condor 's TTK weak aura and i'm chillen
balmy condor
why do sims blow vanish at different times during dm/kb when using master assass...
subterfuge/no subterfuge maybe?
there's a couple of lines worth of vanish logic
coral ibex
Atrocity UI is just too good though
best ui
turbid crest
is some1 who play with whispyr WA can link only the double embush track pls
pulsar elk
so i should be refreshing tempest between 3-4 seconds?
prisma sundial
not worth, I can't even raid this tier, my FPS in nerubar is negative 60
make sure your WA's arent using models
models will tank your fps
stray adder
they said they werent using models in the atrocity QA channel
prisma sundial
i recently found out about them and disabled them on all my packs and instantly got like 30+ fps
ah
coral ibex
atrocityui has no models yea
the details and plater profile update intervals are set too low tho
they update too fast
stray adder
honestly I don't like the atrocity plater but it's whatever, so many useless shit for sin
coral ibex
i have details update at 1/s (atrocityui starts at 0.35)
oh yea i had to update the plater a lot
its pretty good now
stray adder
not trying to see all my poisons dawg
twilit hollow
update interval is not going to save you from shit FPS
stray adder
you mean for plater?
prisma sundial
no i mean wow graphics
stray adder
yeah I did, the only thing that helped was doing a full re-install and clean up of my WTF folder
twilit hollow
honestly I don't like the atrocity plater but it's whatever, so many useless shi...
also all that stuff is blacklisted and the remaining stuff was setup in the aura reorder mod with stealthi's help
prisma sundial
ah
dawn heath
Im kinda wondering is it worth it to go beyond 5-6 ruptures in aoe. I feel like you accomplish the goal of scent stacks and energy reg is it just better to slam caustic envenoms or go of more ruptures
coral ibex
update interval is not going to save you from shit FPS
immediately noticed an fps increase but ok
stray adder
honestly I just think it's Nerubar mostly
when you kill the blobs before second boss
coral ibex
also all that stuff is blacklisted and the remaining stuff was setup in the aura...
it shows way too much by default
stray adder
starts smelling like burnt plastic in my room
prisma sundial
you could disable all addons and show fps in dornogal and see the difference
twilit hollow
it shows way too much by default
like what
prisma sundial
that will help you tell if its addons or graphics
prisma sundial
you guys gotta get on the free fps wave of resolution scale
set it to 90 and its free performance
rotund oak
its my pc,ik gonna buy a new one,some time early next year
stray adder
set it to 90 and its free performance
is this bait cuz i can only set it to 89 or 91 lmao
deft vault
do we have a number on tonights hotfix % wise?
prisma sundial
not bait i have mine at 90
you cant really tell the difference and it helps with performance
static glacier
Im kinda wondering is it worth it to go beyond 5-6 ruptures in aoe. I feel like ...
not usually unless you have sbs charges, in m+ you will very rarely if ever go above 6
rupture just doesn't do that much damage to justify it over an envenom with caustic on mass aoe
coral ibex
like what
fatal intent is useless to track, don't need to see poisons, when you deathmark literally every bleed and poison is duplicated
rotund oak
you guys gotta get on the free fps wave of resolution scale
yup can lower it a bit,especially if the pc is old n stuff
also this game is cursed
needs so much stuff to perform
coral ibex
key debuffs you actually want to track are buried
stray adder
@coral ibex do you have an edited version with less shit?
coral ibex
yes
stray adder
can u share profile
coral ibex
sec
dawn heath
Should only see mark rupture garrore caustic maybe ct thats it everything else needs to be blocked
Could also track ct with a wa and not have it on plater to reduce clutter
prisma sundial
needs so much stuff to perform
yeah and their game is build on old shitty code so its janky asf
stray adder
CT is already on the WA
hot nexus
subterfuge/no subterfuge maybe?
yeah hard to know it's so different every time every cds
coral ibex
fuck me i just griefed my plater profile reimporting the default one
time to reblacklist
dawn heath
Every time i play with supercharge my gut feeling is that it does nothing having no visual of it makes it feel super weird
prisma sundial
time to reblacklist
is it better to blacklist everything or to just add the ones you wanna track manually?
stray adder
blacklist because it's used on all your characters
might as well cherry pick what you dont want
prisma sundial
i see
stray adder
alright I just cleaned it up, much better
stray adder
rumor says I'm the whispyr blacklist
prisma sundial
where can i find his list
coral ibex
his plater profile
stray adder
from his plater profile
coral ibex
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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prisma sundial
oh i never noticed it at the bottom
ty
the clutter is gone ive opened my eyes again
quaint haven
is my ui bricked i dont see the supercharged cp from shiv
or does it not work like ER
quaint haven
ah it just auto spends on next spender or smtn
balmy condor
yeah hard to know it's so different every time every cds
it generally tries to vanish for improved garrote during deathmark, or it tries to vanish for master assassin during kingsbane
balmy condor
ah it just auto spends on next spender or smtn
yes
waxen oyster
ngl
after doing kyveza on mythic i remember
nothing she does on heroic hurts
how tf do people die
rocky steeple
Am I going crazy or does blind not aoe the orbs this week?
stray adder
gotta target a mob
waxen oyster
Am I going crazy or does blind not aoe the orbs this week?
cant target orbs
rocky steeple
Thats toxic af
stray adder
oh yes
coral ibex
finally fixed it thank god
dawn heath
Why is tomelvis not banned btw
He streamed and cheated like 200rio score bro is still playing
stray adder
I straight up swiped my credit card the moment it was added
novel star
surprised how fast tokens dropped tbh
coral ibex
everyone bought yesterday
novel star
peaked and went immediately back down in same amount of time
coral ibex
stray adder
you wanna know whats funny though
waxen oyster
does blizz let you swioe your card to add balance
coral ibex
yea of course
waxen oyster
because im legit 60 cents off
coral ibex
ohhh
novel star
believe it’s true
stray adder
im sure u can buy a bnet balance gift card
waxen oyster
why does this shit have sales tax
novel star
which is dumb as fuck btw
waxen oyster
rocky steeple
You can add a custom balance through the bnet launcher
novel star
novel star
You can add a custom balance through the bnet launcher
fr? nvm then
rocky steeple
coral ibex
waxen oyster
abstract warren
!shiv
novel star
waxen oyster
honestly sales tax fucks up everything
abstract warren
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
yeah it does
waxen oyster
because bruto was actually 98 almost
novel star
honestly sales tax fucks up everything
we should get rid of taxes
waxen oyster
so 7 tokens not 6
novel star
stray adder
it cost me 150 cad with taxes
canadian “dollars”
waxen oyster
which was 5m gold
rocky steeple
They should have put a tmog npc or repair npc where this treasure chest is on the bruto
wasted space
rotund oak
i got a mount
congrats u contributed on the explosive inflation and disappearence of the wow token for couple of days
waxen oyster
it's coming out on trading post next month
source?
rotund oak
blazing pumice
prisma sundial
They should have put a tmog npc or repair npc where this treasure chest is on th...
thats for the 200$ mount
blazing pumice
trust
novel star
would be funny if they made a longboi without any of the npc benefits
waxen oyster
and doesnt even have a mailbox
novel star
on reading post
stray adder
congrats u contributed on the explosive inflation and disappearence of the wow t...
first time in my life where I didn't feel completely useless
waxen oyster
also funny how the first expac after bfa
rotund oak
first time in my life where I didn't feel completely useless
u never were and never will be useless
rotund oak
how the first bruto was 5mil gold
im waiting to gold cap that mfker
waxen oyster
i dont recall hoq i managed in oribos without engineering
rotund oak
its why ive farmed so much early on expansion launch
stray adder
Oribos... I just gagged
waxen oyster
not for zg tiger?
stray adder
I played this expansion for 2 years and I still couldn't figure out where the portals would take me
disoriented for 2 years
waxen oyster
I played this expansion for 2 years and I still couldn't figure out where the po...
lmao shit was terrible
you had to take the scenic route to any of the zones
via slow ass flightmaster
flat sentinel
i have 18 atm
stray adder
im having cold sweats thinking about it
I miss the dungeon pool though
W dungeons
except PF
rotund oak
i dont recall
yeah it did
rotund oak
u had to allocate the portals first though before it could function
waxen oyster
u had to allocate the portals first though before it could function
might just be i forgot
since dragon isles were easy to navigate
rotund oak
might just be i forgot
yeah else it would just toss u anywhere in the region
waxen oyster
it seems rng whether they make the wormhole of the expac
15min cd choose a zone
or long cd/random
deft vault
!plater
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rotund oak
selected,i had it planned
played on beta a bit,knew from the start it would have high value
waxen oyster
guessing 15min cd
atp in tww i guess the portal between azkhajet and dorn is enough
coral ibex
what happened to wormhole
waxen oyster
you dont have it yet?
rotund oak
no
coral ibex
still struggling with engi to max stuff out
craft a ton of cables
its optimal
trust me
unless you dont mean level 100
stray adder
does casualaddict play ascendance/writhing in M+ or is it his raid setup
rotund oak
trust me
ive got it to 100 and got my prof tools,i just took the path to make gold and craft heads/prof tools rather than devices
coral ibex
gotcha
waxen oyster
probably raid
coral ibex
so did they change wormhole or something? it regularly dropped me from the sky
waxen oyster
its not a huge deal
fringe perch
Have we had the daily "tea change bad" argument yet or can we kick that off soon?
waxen oyster
i think pvpers playing ascendance is bait though
balmy condor
Have we had the daily "tea change bad" argument yet or can we kick that off soon...
been a couple of those already
rotund oak
yeah
fringe perch
Damn, must have missed it. I'll come back tomorrow.
waxen oyster
tea change is whatever
rotund oak
been a couple of those already
dont like tea at this point ngl but following instructions until i revolt
stray adder
I wish they would just automate the rest of my rotation at this point
vast loom
Have we had the daily "tea change bad" argument yet or can we kick that off soon...
i really hate it when i go from 30 energy to 130 energy
prisma sundial
did they give any reasoning for it btw?
novel star
for wat
prisma sundial
the tea change
novel star
tea?
fringe perch
prisma tundra
its probably a good change for the overall playerbase since most rogues prob sit at 3/3 charges permanently
novel star
it removes a button
rotund oak
key bloating yeah
stray adder
people complain about too many buttons
meanwhile enhancement shaman has lava burst
prisma sundial
i see
novel star
same reasoning as ER being reworked
fringe perch
I wonder if anyone forgets the great pruning and how Blizzard decided to de-prune most classes. the community asked for more buttons, we got them, then we complained again
vast loom
meanwhile enhancement shaman has lava burst
enhance has so many buttons lol
novel star
vast loom
i was leveling one in timewalkiong and god damn
obtuse ruin
Why are people using weakauras to track energy to avoid tea procs?
stray adder
the playerbase is getting older and the arthritis is kicking in
dont look any further
waxen oyster
people really think the mastery from tea
prisma sundial
thats the outlaw and ele player base
rotund oak
yeah its whatever
fringe perch
I spam my 3 teas as soon as I enter combat so I've got triple the mastery on my opener
⛽ 🔥
prisma sundial
I spam my 3 teas as soon as I enter combat so I've got triple the mastery on my ...
this is so real
stray adder
skibidi rizz
blazing pumice
i think it's mostly the tilt of basically never having charges when you want it
prisma sundial
if you spam 3 teas you never have to worry about losing one at 30 energy
fringe perch
no ohio cap 100
blazing pumice
eg. i wanted a charge for the 1st boss in mists but oh oops, i have 0
fringe perch
just don't mismanage your energy? 🙂
novel star
eg. i wanted a charge for the 1st boss in mists but oh oops, i have 0
i mean this is true but it just doesn’t like actually matter to your dps tho
it’s a vibes change
fringe perch
just stack haste and forget about it
prisma sundial
3 teas at once is 3x the energy obv
novel star
if “i wanted a tea charge” is a pure vibes/feel issue then fair enough but that’s all it can ever be
press buttons
novel star
ye
prisma sundial
reminds me of league when they stray away from active items because no one uses them
waxen oyster
although its weird
novel star
or sit on them too long
but muh kingsbane
waxen oyster
like flag is always hit with blades now and its a bit of an awkward global
novel star
not er
waxen oyster
as sub
novel star
strange
slate crown
Wasn't it that before the patch?
slate crown
well yeah
summer mist
What is flag
slate crown
but you still pressed them together with flag first
novel star
ye
that’s not the issue
issue is making them same cd but still 2 buttons
instead of just like
slate crown
oh sure
novel star
making it one cd
slate crown
yeah idn
novel star
strange design
summer mist
Wtf is flag
trim monolith
I have crafted the waist/wrist with emblishments wowhead says to, can i craft the dagger with emblishment and equip with the waist/wrist?
prisma sundial
the sub rotation used to be flag rupture into blades but now theyre spread apart
summer mist
Ive seen some rogues use blades on single target i dont get it
novel star
max 2 embellishments
trim monolith
@novel star cool so just craft dagger with stats no emblish. Thanks
novel star
making a dagger without an embellishment is still really good tho
main hand ilvl is broken
trim monolith
thanks mann
prisma sundial
making a dagger without an embellishment is still really good tho
so would it be worth to send it on a 636 dagger for MH and hope for something from raid in OH?
novel star
if you don’t have a myth track dagger alresdy
nothing you can craft
will beat a 636 dagger
in mh
and then if you get a myth dagger from vault/raid you just OH the 636
when that new dagger gets maxed out at 639
novel star
blazing pumice
? you can still upgrade the hero
prisma sundial
ive got 2 hero track so thats why i was asking
waxen oyster
yeah if you dont have a myth dagger already
novel star
ye just slam a dagger craft
waxen oyster
crafting a 636 dagger is the best upgrade
blazing pumice
if you recraft a dagger
novel star
if you don’t have a myth dagger and have crafted anything other than a dagger
99% chance you did it wrong
blazing pumice
you can upgrade your hero dagger for free as well
rotund oak
ive got 2 hero track so thats why i was asking
the literal first craft u should prioritize before everything if u dont have one is a dagger craft
636 wpn
novel star
^
rotund oak
beats all
waxen oyster
goes for
novel star
MH ilvl is insane
rotund oak
yeah cant think of any melee that would do otherwise
prisma sundial
i made 2 pieces that are 619 but thats it
i was under the impression that crafting daggers was bad
novel star
619 is who cares tbh
hollow gust
with these do you vanish on deathmark for MA uptime?
novel star
i was under the impression that crafting daggers was bad
not at all
dawn heath
What kind of sacrificial ritual do you need to go through to get myth track skardyn/crystal
novel star
main hand is and will always be your most important slot
1 mh ilvl is worth way more than 1 any other slot ilvl
prisma sundial
makes sense
waxen oyster
unless you were like
waxen oyster
killing mythic bloodbound every week
prisma sundial
i wasnt gonna prio a recraft over crafted MH
novel star
i wasnt gonna prio a recraft over crafted MH
yeye
prisma sundial
ty for the info
novel star
but with recraft meme thats still worth
wish i knew about this so i could report it to blizzard and not abuse it to be like 1-2ilvl higher than i currently am
but alas
i got my dagger up the honest way
novel star
that reminds me
i prolly should have crafted a ring
like
a million years ago
chilling on the same hero umbriss band for like a month
strange comet
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
neat horizon
Now that fdk got nerfed, ele nerfed, enha nerfed. Is assa the top m+ dps spec at the moment ?
or atleast top m+ melee
distant birch
or atleast top m+ melee
it is
stray adder
B-
y'all need to redirect the attention elsewhere
go help outlaw rogues find another exploit
distant birch
HAHAHAHAHA
dim yacht
Pistol goes boom boom boom 手槍砰砰砰 Infinite power 無限的力量 Great shame for family 對家人來說是極大的恥辱 Banned by heavenly decree 被天命所禁止 Would do it again 會再做一次
rotund oak
or atleast top m+ melee
even before nerfs sin was stronger
distant birch
seems its gonna be untouched for a while
i guess so
fair coyote
pls nerf us i don't like the pressure
prisma tundra
did frost dk actually get nerfed that much?
dim yacht
tbf though, sin doesnt really shine until high keys
distant birch
pls nerf us i don't like the pressure
do ur job maaaan
rotund oak
pls nerf us i don't like the pressure
in all honesty,nrf sin to get this channel back to being normal
prisma tundra
they were pretty insane are u guys sure they wont just still be the best melee
neat horizon
did frost dk actually get nerfed that much?
Yes it did, they're falling off quite fast
rotund oak
Yes it did, they're falling off quite fast
they are going back to being good pvp specs
distant birch
did frost dk actually get nerfed that much?
they are behind us fr
neat horizon
they are going back to being good pvp specs
ironically frost is worse in pvp than in pve
distant birch
ironically frost is worse in pvp than in pve
true🤣
stray adder
meanwhile feral still bottom of the list since the beginning of WoW
waxen oyster
just because its tankier
rotund oak
ironically frost is worse in pvp than in pve
until 2.3-2.4 it doesnt rly matter,in the high end yeah,the true melee terror is sub rogue
distant birch
I saw pikaboo crying about that few days ago
waxen oyster
and does more
waxen oyster
pretty sure pika plays a feral for tournies now
distant birch
yeah
neat horizon
in pvp ?
waxen oyster
and its fr named
distant birch
yea
neat horizon
Bro what the fuck does that kid smoke
distant birch
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
neat horizon
its the most useless, scripted pvp spec at the moment
distant birch
Itss to tankyy man
waxen oyster
distant birch
Thats why i guess
rotund oak
yeah its basicly 3 buttons
rotund oak
and u facetank eveyrthing
waxen oyster
dont most pvp dk mains
play unholy
and say frost is for braindead chimps
at least most i knew said that
neat horizon
they do
rotund oak
He's also play feral
yup 
distant birch
boomi mop omg
distant birch
Get one macro to os
waxen oyster
i mean mop had
swift iris
Hey Guys, is this a nerf on wendsday???? How many %
stray adder
and SL demon hunter one tapping you with The Hunt
waxen oyster
enhance shamans onetapping you
distant birch
Hey Guys, is this a nerf on wendsday???? How many %
pins
stray adder
it's been like that every expac
waxen oyster
was named that for a reason
stray adder
cata pvp was good
ashen totem
there are like 3 avenues for end game content:
m+
raid
and battle pets
wtf is pvp even
waxen oyster
i mean
stray adder
I PvP'd from wrath to mop
waxen oyster
same can be said about m+ players
subtle tundra
Assa is done
waxen oyster
who aren't in title range
subtle tundra
Gg
hollow river
wtf is pvp even
Da best
distant birch
m+ is an actual waste of time
without a team yes
stray adder
M+ is the only reason i still play WoW tbh
distant birch
It's weird af
waxen oyster
without a team yes
yeah the people who do this
stray adder
I'm nothing without grim batol rn
distant birch
yeah the people who do this
Im doing this but it's hard mentaly..
waxen oyster
also people are
neat horizon
M+ is the only reason i still play WoW tbh
same here
neat horizon
only spammable content (apart from pvp)
neat horizon
but you get apes in pvp
distant birch
egos get bruised over air
fcking true
waxen oyster
you get apes in m+ wdym
neat horizon
you do
distant birch
I feel like we can't talk normally rn
waxen oyster
just look at 99% of frost dks
distant birch
cringe
waxen oyster
you get in q
neat horizon
but in m+ you dont lose rating when you deplete a key
stray adder
Last time I did arena in shadowlands I faced xaryu in 2s carrying viewers
just get a life
loser
neat horizon
because that one ape didnt press his defensive
stray adder
go do some crossfit in your living room
distant birch
because that one ape didnt press his defensive
Classic war tank
spice spire
balmy condor
rare 2am quake sighting
distant birch
sitting in q for an hour
more then an hour*🤡
spice spire
rare 2am quake sighting
Tea quenches my thirst手槍砰砰砰 Spin the Blade 無限的力量 Infinite energy 對家人來說是極大的恥辱 500 bleeds 被天命所禁止 2 year silence 會再做一次
I am mentally in Illinois
neat horizon
its your time that gets used. In pvp its both your time and your score lol
stray adder
i mean we can all agree that the current state of m+ is dogshit but still
neat horizon
solo shuff queues are just as bad
distant birch
i mean we can all agree that the current state of m+ is dogshit but still
but we still playing this shit
yap yap
stray adder
ofc
neat horizon
or blitz even
spice spire
Read this and still there unluigi
distant birch
the vicious circle...
spice spire
Also that 7 was not a gb unfortunately
waxen oyster
m+ nowadays is just less pug friendly
neat horizon
what else would you queue. 2v2 ? 3v3 ? They're beyond dead
spice spire
On a 600 spriest 
waxen oyster
and tanks actually have to know how to play their spec
balmy condor
big spriest
distant birch
aight i'm off have a nice day guys ❤️
neat horizon
you get to 2k cr in 3v3 and suddenly you're playing vs awc champs
stray adder
the last boss in ara-kara is new players worst nightmare lmao
neat horizon
its super deflated
soft shale
yea usually it only happened on season beginning
neat horizon
now its always happening with the presence of solo queueing content
waxen oyster
glad mounts being a static reward didnt help
soft shale
have fond memories of getting destroyed by rank1 and awc players at 1800 rating 2k+ mmr
neat horizon
yepyep
waxen oyster
the fact you get a glad mount at 2400
and nothing else until the canyon that is r1
is not helpful
neat horizon
the fact you get a glad mount at 2400
not just 2400, 50 wins on 2400
soft shale
it is not r1 anymore sadly but yea
soft shale
it is kinda why be there
waxen oyster
for nothing
neat horizon
i believe rewards are way better in pvp than they are for pve
what do you get for rank 1 m+ ? A title only ?
waxen oyster
you get gear
rotund oak
what else would you queue. 2v2 ? 3v3 ? They're beyond dead
3s isnt rly that dead,u just face better players in a harder bracket,its not shuffles,ppl know when to trinket(especially in EU)
neat horizon
what about the ksm mount that EVERYONE can get
neat horizon
needs something more special
waxen oyster
you dont
you just have a sea of people
doing low keys
for their ilvl dopamine hit
neat horizon
yeah but thats just who's signing up
waxen oyster
pvp needs more cosmetic rewards
neat horizon
not a reward from the game
neat horizon
they did lower the duelist rewards from 2.1 to 1950
and now 2.1 apparently gives u elite weps
rotund oak
thats so cringe
stray adder
the skill level is just so high in pvp nowadays
rotund oak
yeah
stray adder
new players just get farmed
rotund oak
the skill level is just so high in pvp nowadays
💀
waxen oyster
actually werent legion enchants 2.5
runic hinge
i should go for 2.1
rotund oak
its lower if u ask me
stray adder
bro back in wrath you could enter an arena with shadowmourne and spam WW
runic hinge
there's less and less people so idk
stray adder
then clap everyone
waxen oyster
i mean that existed partially in bfa
hollow river
its lower if u ask me
At the top end it’s def higher
rotund oak
At the top end it’s def higher
yeah for sure,but we are talking for 2.1 now 😛
hollow river
Ahh
Yeah all the achievements are easier because of solo q rated
The only thing that’s gotten mostly harder to get is Glad/r1 title
waxen oyster
yeah i mean if there's less people
rotund oak
less ppl=>harder
rotund oak
more ppl=>inflation=>easier
waxen oyster
yep exactly
first seasons of an expac always have highest glad turnout rates
well fucking sl s1
where they deflated
and the ladder just sat for months
hollow river
Well beginning of expansion always has more people
waxen oyster
ahahahhaha
hollow river
Like SL or DF season 1s we’re easy
DF season 4 was one of the hardest r1s in all of wows history
rotund oak
yeah that was special
rotund oak
cant bother remembering getting railed by every hunter in existence as a mage
waxen oyster
at me all game
i took a break in df s1
i come back its
1-3 ret palas
every game
rotund oak
now its 4 mages everywhere
wise plume
are afflic locks just busted as hell rn?
waxen oyster
i mean its pretty bad
runic hinge
should i play assa?
waxen oyster
when even fucking pika is playing feral
hollow river
sub is much better
I wouldn’t say that
hollow river
should i play assa?
Play whatever spec you’re best at, they’re all really good atm fr
wise plume
i prefer assass for solo shuffle and sub for blitz
waxen oyster
people realized dueling someone and letting your teammate cap a base
is kind of toxic
wise plume
but honestly just play feral and 3 shot everyone
rotund oak
wouldnt mind outlaw for blitz,outlaw kinda good,sub is cool for flag spining and ninja capping
torpid linden
how do i get invited to 8+ keys wtf
waxen oyster
have ilvl
blazing pumice
have io
balmy condor
have friends
torpid linden
i cant get io cuz i cant get in the keys
stray adder
how do i get invited to 8+ keys wtf
make your own group with your own key
torpid linden
im 2490
hollow river
wouldnt mind outlaw for blitz,outlaw kinda good,sub is cool for flag spining and...
oh are we talking blitz specifically
torpid linden
618
waxen oyster
yeah its the ilvl
serene solar
Sadly people will consider both of those low
torpid linden
ig its just impossible to time an 8 without being 630 ilvl 3000 io
rotund oak
oh are we talking blitz specifically
no at the start in gneeral,that was just me for a bro talking about blitz earlier
torpid linden
2 weeks
hollow river
no at the start in gneeral,that was just me for a bro talking about blitz earlie...
ah ok
wise plume
everyone at this point are usually 2500+ and 625+
stray adder
gotta add a description like: "big dam trust skibidi rizz"
waxen oyster
yeah its rough if you aren't doing your own key
ebon prism
mine is 2 weeks too and 625. just keep spamming 8's for gilded
torpid linden
but i can pull 1.5m in keys and usually outdam literally every class that isnt blue on the meters.
waxen oyster
esp if you sign up for one with trinkets
lime lintel
what is best overall mythic plus build
runic hinge
Play whatever spec you’re best at, they’re all really good atm fr
I would probably play assa
wise plume
I really just hate all these dungs lmao
ebon prism
u just need to make friends with a tank or healer that u like in your keys.... and just run with them
serene solar
but i can pull 1.5m in keys and usually outdam literally every class that isnt b...
Gotta beat those dirty blue classes
ebon prism
i have like 20 friends on my list that i can run keys with
stray adder
blue classes are cringe dude
neat horizon
Gotta beat those dirty blue classes
they already got beat by the nerf bat
hollow river
I would probably play assa
it's strong, plays similar to m+ in arena 
torpid linden
Gotta beat those dirty blue classes
is sin better than enh? the enhances i've played with are doing like 1.8m+...
timid sonnet
is sin dead!?! (no I heard a 0.2% number, which, lol, why do that even)I
timid sonnet
change for the sake of change
torpid linden
if i was chasing meta id play shaman
waxen oyster
nah dk
neat horizon
you woudnt after yday's nerfs
ebon prism
also, do i vanish at 9 secs left on kb with 1 point in subterfuge? or is that not the right way to think about it?
rotund oak
😂
rotund oak
bros no WA's cant even press orb/rain
rotund oak
i do 1mil overalls by just blinking and pressing orb and lance
waxen oyster
except on my molten metal reflects
rotund oak
yeah mages are famous for never kicking
waxen oyster
ebon prism
i do 1mil overalls by just blinking and pressing orb and lance
liar, u have to press blizzard too
waxen oyster
oh no they kick when i have reflect up
rotund oak
liar, u have to press blizzard too
jokes on u,only when the pull is stationary,i shifting power and reorb
torpid linden
yeah i like to track spell reflect and hold kick for it
rotund oak
ebon prism
hey uhhh can one of u sin rogue gamers answer my 2 questions about vanish? ty love u
sacred cedar
what is it about ass/sub that the dagger animations make my character's body twist and contort like their bones are made of jelly
stray adder
> > > > > > > > >
Should I ice lance before or after ice lance
slate crown
<:icelance:525661837711114260> > <:icelance:525661837711114260> > <:ice...
before
obviously
rotund oak
yo
torpid linden
i thought frost mage didnt use ice lance anymore
slate crown
did you read the guide?
waxen oyster
isnt ele actually
rotund oak
rotund oak
i thought frost mage didnt use ice lance anymore
deathchill presses more bolts but lance is always there
ebon prism
they dont run death chill anymore
serene solar
is sin better than enh? the enhances i've played with are doing like 1.8m+...
They were broken for like a day. But in general they are strong but I swear I have only been in a key with ONE good one
torpid linden
waxen oyster
for over a decade
stray adder
the rule with mage is:
1 - If fire is bad, don't play mage
balmy condor
yeh that's pretty okay
waxen oyster
theres too many factors
in overalls
if you're #1 gapping #2 by a mile you did good
though
torpid linden
would showing damage breakdown be better
stray adder
worst thing is when you get hit by dark exile at the end of a good NW
that shit
pisses me the f off
torpid linden
I hold vanish for that
weak gull
for ovi'nax egg.....how are ya'll using on pull? i was getting ten stacks of crit and then freezing it before pull, but is it just better to freeze it with all 30 stacks of agi?
ebon prism
whispyr, can u help me with two vanish questions for m+?
1- do i always hold vanish for kb? or i can desync it if they chain pull into a big one?
2- do i vanish at 9 secs left on kb with 1 point subterfuge?
balmy condor
you want to nevver be over 20 stacks
can ignore the on-use technically
you should be using vanish in m+ for the bleed spread or for DM on bosses
waxen oyster
If you're purely using vanish for damage you use it for empowered garrote
balmy condor
and yes to #2
weak gull
@balmy condor thats what i thought thanks for confirming
waxen oyster
and master assassin if playing it
brisk forge
worst thing is when you get hit by dark exile at the end of a good NW
Gotta save a CR for that, insta die and go ham again 💪
ebon prism
yeah i use MA
for the bleed spread if i cant stealth, but then i'm not holding it for my kingsbane? same for DM on bosses. which is higher priority?
ebon prism
yeah but whats highest priority for vanish usage? for kb, or to spread bleeds, or for DM on bosses
waxen oyster
likely would be case by case
balmy condor
yeah there's not one answer for that
waxen oyster
shouldnt really ever be doing a low hp chain
ebon prism
ohhhh ok
balmy condor
like you would be vanishing for KB with DM on bosses
and otherwise like wh10a
fuck
cat
ebon prism
LOL
ebon prism
true ok, makes sense
drifting lance
honestly doesnt matter tbh
balmy condor
you dont like an entire spec
balmy condor
because of an inconsequential change
drifting lance
if ur tea is coming up same time as ur kingsbane then it cant trigger automatically
balmy condor
to a class talent
arctic tusk
it doesnt even trigger in raid build
is that even true?
low junco
nah its not only the auto tea
balmy condor
that's wild