assassination

[sonic zinc]

if the others got removed, then id be less mad

[midnight mist]

Now I will be doing even less

On socks like nw first pack where my tank dies in 30 s

And you guys think it doesn't matter cause it's only 1 min out of an entire key

Xd

[spice surge]

Im not saying it doesnt matter

Im saying the fact that it was possible was dumb

[midnight mist]

Why is it only outlaw

[spice surge]

And it getting removed is good

Because its dumb

[midnight mist]

How is it dumb

Xddddd

[spice surge]

Now if that makes outlaw weak

Then buff outlaw

[midnight mist]

Pess cd before key

Litteraly every spec in the game

Press cds

Before key

[royal lantern]

wait assa can do that?

[runic hinge]

Assa doesn’t

[royal lantern]

cool

[runic hinge]

Good call

[royal lantern]

didnt knew that

[runic hinge]

Wrong channel for that tho

[midnight mist]

Ye like assa needed that

[sonic zinc]

u can pres vanish before a key 😛

[spice surge]

Most specs CD also tick down after youve pressed the key

Outlaws didnt

[midnight mist]

They did

Haha

You guys are funny

[verbal blaze]

guys they got us, they fixed the lethality and ttk bugs

[runic hinge]

First season it’s been Meta in 3 expansions btw

[verbal blaze]

unforch

[spice surge]

Idk how you think having to hit a dummy for a while before starting the key is good design

Thats wild to me

[midnight mist]

I told you

You didn't

Doing ADR rtb kir

Before key

Was enough

I just like degen maxing whatever I can

[hollow river]

[west crown]

11.7% nerf, reroll

[midnight mist]

Call me when outlaw is playable in raid and we can have a talk about sin in m+

[west crown]

You had your time to shine as outlaw for 2 brief periods of time

That’s enough

[umbral sigil]

me and some pals in TW

[midnight mist]

I wasn't playing in bfa

[runic hinge]

Rip you then lol

[west crown]

I meant this raid tier

[runic hinge]

You missed the best time to play outlaw

[midnight mist]

Maybe

Started in SL

[stray adder]

best time to play outlaw was before outlaw aka combat

[prisma sundial]

bfa and a couple days ago before outlaw bug fix

[static glacier]

unlucky, you missed the navy pirate expac

[rotund idol]

I loved df tbh peak gameplay even tho it was bad in raid idc

[latent badger]

this much anger in ur heart after only 2 xpacs

damn...

[umbral sigil]

???????

[latent badger]

sad to see the game get a fella like that

[copper sun]

Does ambush proc make my mutilate turn into an ambush?

[jaunty matrix]

surely blizz is planning to rework outlaw and that's why he is abandoned

right

[midnight mist]

Xd

[jaunty matrix]

[royal lantern]

just because you didnt play the game pre-SL doesnt change the fact that outlaw is statistically the rogue spec that most often was the best in most PvE content

[spice surge]

Yep

[hollow river]

ye

[midnight mist]

16 year ago

How long ago was BFA dude e

[runic hinge]

16 years ago it was combat

[midnight mist]

We acting like it's normal

Xd

[static glacier]

inb4 we get combat rogue back for midnight

[midnight mist]

Ye it's fine that outlaw has been unplayable for 3 expac in a row cause in BFA it was good

[copper sun]

and i just press it as if its a normal mutilate, even in kingsbane, right?

[umbral sigil]

yes

[runic hinge]

Unplayable is such a meme lol

[past bobcat]

Wait were the bug fixes actually that much of a nerf

or memes

[deft vault]

outlaw wasnt unp^layable lol

[stray adder]

zac you should relax with a petit croissant au fromage

[midnight mist]

Yeye

[rotund idol]

Can’t argue with assa people

[royal lantern]

16 years ago our rotation was sinester strike 5x -> eviscerate lmao

[umbral sigil]

You wanna see unplayable, go try frost mage

[rotund idol]

Let’s go back to #outlaw

[harsh harbor]

You forgot snd

[midnight mist]

Find me a single high end content player that don't think outlaw is a mega meme spec in raid

[jaunty matrix]

lol

[hollow river]

was outlaw ever the raid prog spec in DF

like ever

[midnight mist]

No

[hollow river]

idr it ever being the prog spec in SL

[runic hinge]

No. Sub was

[harsh harbor]

Find me a reason to give a shit what they think.

[midnight mist]

Ye like week one

[west crown]

It was outlaw literally last season

[deft vault]

no but that doesnt mean its unplayable

[midnight mist]

Must have missed it

Lolilol

[west crown]

For m+

[midnight mist]

Last season xdd

[west crown]

Idk bout raid

[midnight mist]

Funny guy

[hollow river]

a lot of people are forced to play the best spec in raid

[midnight mist]

Last season was also sin

So

[copper sun]

Im confused because when I look at top parses, somehow they never have ambush casts during kingsbane and then they unload ambush casts when kingsbane is done, but im not sure how to do that when my mutilate turns into an ambush anyway because of a proc

[royal lantern]

tends to be decent until the last 2-3 bosses and then falls off

[hollow river]

depending on their rank/guild

[vocal cypress]

am i in the outlaw spec discussion o.O

[harsh harbor]

Apparently

[static glacier]

bro this is just rng

[royal lantern]

bro if you take DF S4 serious for raiding, you are brain damaged lol

[midnight mist]

He said m+

[royal lantern]

like, i could understood m+ for fated season

[static glacier]

ambush can proc ambush

[royal lantern]

but Raiding is a absolute giga meme during that

[midnight mist]

Only time outlaw been good was S3 df

[rotund idol]

^

[midnight mist]

And it wasn't even meta

Xd

[nova aspen]

great pin whispyr i read the whole thing

[static glacier]

we were aight start of s1 prenerf

[spice surge]

It also just doesnt matter. Ambush and mutilate do pretty much the same damage

[static glacier]

but ye they don't tend to leave OL strong

[midnight mist]

He outlaw always good week 1 before it gets nerfed for no reason at all

[spice surge]

The blindside talent is mostly for the energy savings

[west crown]

“We” !!. TREASON

No more red name

[static glacier]

xd

[vocal cypress]

just u wait theres gonna be another one soon no doubt

😂

[runic hinge]

Ask blizz to make more 100% uptime fights and maybe you can be meta for raid

[vapid jacinth]

oh no bug fixes... are we cooked?

we're cooked for sure

[spice surge]

Very small nerf, doesnt matter much

[vital flicker]

They keep fix bugs that nerf us

[spice surge]

Might make us spec supercharger/forced induction instaed of lethality

Which would be nice

[west crown]

11.7%, reroll

[past bobcat]

Ima try cooking with this now

[vapid jacinth]

aight imma head out

[grave gazelle]

Is it actually? lmao goodness.

[raw marlin]

on an alt do i just cata champ gear or wait until hero? If i am pugging, is the tier giga dam?

[blazing pumice]

no

[harsh harbor]

Check the pins

[vapid jacinth]

those aren't what we're talking about

[vital flicker]

The new bug fixes aren't in the pins yet

[west crown]

If you decide to believe my misinfo instead of reading pins, that’s on you

[harsh harbor]

It was 2h ago

[vapid jacinth]

nah everyone reroll we're trash now

[west crown]

But no Whispyr hasn’t done anything on the double dip changes

[harsh harbor]

Ahh k

[west crown]

He’s farming GB

[bitter solar]

this specfically Fixed an issue that caused Kingsbane (Talent) to benefit from Lethality’s (Talent) effect twice.

[grave gazelle]

I'm glad to be out of the GB farming lol, 40 runs for a trinket 💀

[bitter solar]

I did one random pug when i was sat for my guild and got it.

[west crown]

Don’t farm for it, get it in vault. Be happy

[gloomy cove]

do we want haste or crit/mas

[bitter solar]

All of them

[west crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[vital flicker]

The lethality nerf would also be a nerf to master assassin

[gloomy cove]

ty

[cunning basin]

Anyone tried speccing out of Lethality with the hotfix? Saw that and was toying with shifting points into supercharger stuff

[west crown]

Even if the double dip is a 2% nerf

[sour oasis]

Guys

[west crown]

We are still up 3%

[vital flicker]

We are down 2% from losing flensing knives

[sour oasis]

I think to have some versality is not bad in assa, but a minority of versa

for raid mythic i speak

[spice surge]

its not a 2% nerf, its at worst 1%, but more likely slightly below that

[vital flicker]

And .6% from master assassin

[sour oasis]

5-6% of versa is not bad

[cunning basin]

That's 2% I'm willing to give up to not have to play ethereal cloak lmao

[spice surge]

Ye but were still up a lot from before the patch

[vital flicker]

I wouldn't say a lot

[cunning basin]

Bait and switch is too good

[west crown]

6% buff from this last one. More from the buff before that

[raw marlin]

as a ww main, how do you lot get changes every patch and yet we don't even exist, this feels like being a hot chick or something

[spice surge]

Sure 3% is less than 7%

But

[lusty narwhal]

Its better not to be right at the top anyway because we have less chance of getting dumpstered entirely

[cunning basin]

3% in the grand scheme of things is a lot in a game where we do weird shit to get an extra .1% here and there

[lusty narwhal]

Small nerf is fine

[spice surge]

Its kinda wild to me how assa only got MA nerfed this week

[steady spire]

yall useing depths or radiant power for m+?

[balmy condor]

im in spain

[lusty narwhal]

This

[spice surge]

But we take those

[cunning basin]

I saw that and was like " yeah that's fair but I was expecting more"

[jaunty matrix]

blizz decided that assa will be the best rogue spec for this season

[cunning basin]

Without the s?

[runic hinge]

They finally realized how busted it would be with quadruple the duration of what it was

[lusty narwhal]

About time I say

[runic hinge]

I mean it was at 30% and 3 seconds before Tuesday

[balmy condor]

korrekt

[waxen oyster]

about time?

[west crown]

You aren’t meant to be strong this raid tier

That’s just how it goes

[jaunty matrix]

my theory is that they fucked up so hard with the whole class in general with the hero talents and the bugs

and just decided

[waxen oyster]

we literally were the best spec in amirdrassil

[jaunty matrix]

to overbuff assa numbers

and call it a day

[cunning basin]

Sending all the good vibes I got left brother, I believe in u

[waxen oyster]

for early prog

[runic hinge]

Until heroic week was over

[waxen oyster]

nah it was first 2 weeks of mythic

[lusty narwhal]

Until we got nerfed and the cause of it was PI. Name another time we were on top

[waxen oyster]

sanctum all 3 were about equal

[lusty narwhal]

Historically is mostly sub on top

[steady spire]

for m+ wut wep enchants yall useing depths or radiant power?

[balmy condor]

nice

[lusty narwhal]

Sim it

[waxen oyster]

entirety of bfa besides the zul incident

[cunning basin]

Painge

[bitter solar]

Radiant is generally better for m+ and Depths for Raid

[balmy condor]

get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out get me out

[cunning basin]

Hey same

🥲

[lusty narwhal]

Cant get your skardyns sir?

[steady spire]

aprecccc fam

[raw marlin]

i wanna play the game, its like our game ends at 12s lol

[balmy condor]

what gave you that idea

[cunning basin]

Skardyn's can eat me bro fuck that trinket

[west crown]

Yeah I figured this too. Someone rolled a 1-3 to see which spec got buffed

[violet jackal]

invite me next time you do more 10 grim batol i can trade

[balmy condor]

bro the problem isn't trading

[raw marlin]

i got it first ever run in the entire xpac, but on the wrong class

[balmy condor]

the problem is it not dropping

[hallow pelican]

Am i the only one who'se wondering why Rogues got another fuckin nerf (i know its minimal) while UH DK has literally not been touched for almost this entire expansion so far?

[thorn fjord]

Can run some with you tomorrow if you’re down… finally got mine tonight

[west crown]

12s is definitely playing the game

[raw marlin]

not if youve already done them all

[cunning basin]

Assassination is better than unholy rn...??

[waxen oyster]

probably because unholy barely exists

outside of mdi situations

[balmy condor]

dog aint no way

[lethal mortar]

are u getting UH mixed up with frost lol

[west crown]

You got KSH. If you want the title you have to be meta. That’s pretty much how it goes

[cunning basin]

FOR A 10 BRO THAT DUDE HAS BEEN H U R T

[lusty narwhal]

UH aint broken thats why

[waxen oyster]

i mean UH is good

[hallow pelican]

no ... though im wondering why fury got ANOTHER fuckin buff as well

[waxen oyster]

mostly because dk rework this expac

[raw marlin]

sure then buff other classes so there is no meta lol

[west crown]

Just tell them you right the guide

[balmy condor]

keybind check 💀

[waxen oyster]

has been good

[balmy condor]

what if they tell me I left the guide

[topaz horizon]

That a banger group, que it up

[cunning basin]

Dude would not take me, my kick is on shift 8 and alt 8 xd

[west crown]

There will always be meta. Even if it’s small

[lethal mortar]

pls fix this or never que for a key

[raw marlin]

i know how it works what im saying is 500x changes for other classes but some dont exist

[west crown]

Tell them to “open wowhead”

[hallow pelican]

neither are we ... the only buff we've got was technically a bug fix

[cunning basin]

I use a naga

And have timed 11s across the board

[balmy condor]

I tried that in shadowlands for a tier

[lethal mortar]

shoulda said that 🙂

[cunning basin]

Keybinds are subjective :d

[balmy condor]

did not work nearly as much as you think it does

[cunning basin]

As are most things in wow

[azure flare]

i mean we compete with frost dk dam

[deft vault]

we're like a top tier spec rn

[vital flicker]

Writes the guide

[cunning basin]

I mythic raid with someone who clicks most of their abilities

Comfort is key in wow

[lusty narwhal]

Because they got nerfed constantly like 6 times and do dog shit single target?

[lethal mortar]

bis kbs dont @ me

[balmy condor]

you're getting so much mileage out of that

[azure flare]

HUH

brother fury just ate 6 nerfs

in a row

[west crown]

Yeah I don’t disagree with you. I’m just lucky my spec is good this season. It won’t be next and I’ll play a fotm alt to compensate

[azure flare]

they finally get buffed and we're complaining?

[vital flicker]

I love it

[azure flare]

r we baiting

[lusty narwhal]

We are definitely top 3 performers

[raw marlin]

i mean my rogue is my main alt all the time but still

i wanna play 2 of my fav specs lol

[azure flare]

im convinced he's baiting

[ionic fox]

Rate my keybinds

[cunning basin]

Gotta be

[pearl flower]

anyone know what is causing this error ?

[balmy condor]

idk I just hope we're moving on from the fotm brainrot

[vital flicker]

At least a 6

[lusty narwhal]

1/10

[balmy condor]

cause I've been so close to just slamming like a dozen muts

[cunning basin]

0/0 doesn't work for me therefore they suck

[half moat]

I dont think Whispyrs pins could get any better.

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce is fotm. Mute him quickly

[bitter solar]

does it have an embllisment on it?

[balmy condor]

well you only have one of them

[cunning sphinx]

similar

[balmy condor]

I think

[cunning basin]

S L A M I T

[balmy condor]

it's not counting

[west crown]

What

The

[balmy condor]

did you add a new one from the search?

[onyx coyote]

Sad they are fixing lethality and kingsbane 😦

[pearl flower]

my mainhand has embilshment I was thinking of using my 90 gilded to craft another 636 dagger without emblishment obivously

but its just showing that error

[scarlet wyvern]

Whats better master yflask or alchemical?

[balmy condor]

how did you add the dagger

[azure flare]

dung slice is ok for assa rogue, right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[azure flare]

bless

[lethal mortar]

????????

[west crown]

Its fine until I see page up/down and a alt+ctrl button 💀

[pearl flower]

oh huh i maxed currency and added through item search

[lethal mortar]

those are bound to my naga

[balmy condor]

dunno then

[cunning basin]

It's a bug fix, bug fixes are good don't be sad

[west crown]

Too poor to know what that is but sure

[jaunty matrix]

mouse with buttons on the side

[keen spruce]

HUH

[ionic fox]

There is no mouse other than a G Pro Wireless

[cunning sphinx]

this wouldve been true 4 years ago

[runic hinge]

You’re a pirate. I was there. I seeent the raider.io page

[cunning sphinx]

its pretty mid now (i have 2)

[west crown]

Oh those. Yeah I looked at those. Too pricey

[ionic fox]

Gotta get superglides @cunning sphinx

[cunning sphinx]

honestly

not a bad shout

[jaunty matrix]

really ?

i thought they would be kinda cheap these days

[azure flare]

oh didnt even notice that

[jaunty matrix]

naga came out decades ago

[azure flare]

its already live

[indigo meadow]

ok dont flame me for asking but what is the 3rd garrote for in the opener for aoe? doesnt garrote rupture garrote rupture just dot everything up and gives you the fully stacked scent of blood? why do we need the 3rd garrote?

[balmy condor]

||I thought it was illegal to buy those ||

[west crown]

Yeah I stick to my mouse with 2 extra buttons

[lethal mortar]

wat

[balmy condor]

how many targets you got

[indigo meadow]

5

[azure flare]

huh

a razer naga?

[balmy condor]

huh

[azure flare]

why would it be illegal lol

[jaunty matrix]

maybe its a joke because razer products are too rng

on how they arrive to you

[balmy condor]

yeh def

[jaunty matrix]

one can last for decades and the other die within 2 weeks

[west crown]

80-180

[azure flare]

is ok in belgium

[ionic fox]

Maybe 5 boss target to refresh empowered garrote before DM?

[azure flare]

ive only had to replace mine i think once

[balmy condor]

it's just refreshing the garrote

[cunning sphinx]

i dont use any mouse binds other than to bind control im doomed to death

[azure flare]

i just use the side buttons for anything past 5 lol

havent had to rebind anything cus of it

[balmy condor]

anyway, any token havers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031593895722745956/1299571053814878219/oh-shit-the-economy-v0-e3zi86u54ywd1.png?ex=671daf5c&is=671c5ddc&hm=8019c821816d6e295426af4514e5b531021df665591ccd30d9d49ab5e7373883&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[indigo meadow]

i mean i guess thats worth right?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[barren island]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[ionic fox]

losing empowered garrote on DM target while spreading bleeds. Gotta refresh.

[raven egret]

I sniped one at peak value, I'm good XD

[oak tangle]

just wait a month, wowtekens will go back to normal

[balmy condor]

yeah but imagine

[raven egret]

What do you think 'normal' means

[balmy condor]

I can buy tokens now

sell them

and then buy them back

[azure flare]

diabolical

[indigo meadow]

okay so thats only worth if your about to use cooldowns right?

[jaunty matrix]

imagine buying wowtokens

skoomtokens

[indigo meadow]

like in m+ if dm and kb are on cooldown and you open on a pack from stealth you would just double garrote instead of triple right?

[quasi ingot]

what are we doing for this weeks affix? is there a list on wowhead?

[west crown]

Holding wow tokens is like holding stock

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[raven egret]

wdym what are we doing, blind harder

[west crown]

Whispyr day trading guide when?

[balmy condor]

you can blind a mob

[vital rampart]

Do people know how much % loss the lethality fix is?

[balmy condor]

but the range sucks

[jaunty matrix]

never thought of that

[balmy condor]

generally not a rogue problem

[jaunty matrix]

that's hilarious to think about

[sullen mural]

If your tank has a brain and moves next to them

[jaunty matrix]

[sullen mural]

Cuz for whazever reason

It doesnt work otherwise

[balmy condor]

not much, like 1%

[jaunty matrix]

wait

[sullen mural]

Cuz blizz sucks

[ionic fox]

11s harder than 12s

[balmy condor]

probably less

[jaunty matrix]

did they change the affix ?

[balmy condor]

no

[ionic fox]

11s harder than 13s

[azure flare]

they didnt fix it

[jaunty matrix]

we could blind them

[azure flare]

its always been shit with blind

[balmy condor]

can't blind the orb

[sullen mural]

U can blind

[jaunty matrix]

what

[sullen mural]

A mob

[vital rampart]

So ~2% on Tuesday with other nerf

[oak tangle]

take 2 points in subterfuge and then just ic garrotte them all

[balmy condor]

have to blind a mob

[sullen mural]

Not the orb

[jaunty matrix]

you can blind the orb

[azure flare]

if u blind orb the range goes to 0

[sullen mural]

Nope

Aoe doesnt work

[azure flare]

and doesnt aoe blind

[jaunty matrix]

wtf

[bitter solar]

The orb only gets blinded aoe blind does not work

[sullen mural]

If u blind orb

[balmy condor]

yeh maybe

[ebon notch]

help i have a stupid question to ask and i already read the pins

whispyr can u help me

[balmy condor]

how stupid

[ebon notch]

thats relative

[sullen mural]

Welcome to blizz having aids

[jaunty matrix]

when did that bug come out

lmao

[sullen mural]

I love not being able to aoe blind

[azure flare]

been there since

[sullen mural]

Its been since week 1

[azure flare]

day 1

[balmy condor]

10.0

[west crown]

4% buff overall. We up

[ebon notch]

kingsbane lethality double dip fix big or not big

[jaunty matrix]

impossible

[ionic fox]

omg its like my girlfiend asking to ask is more annoying then just asking lmfao

[jaunty matrix]

no way

[sullen mural]

It never did not work like that

[balmy condor]

not big

[ionic fox]

SPIT IT OUT

[jaunty matrix]

i swear i blinded the orb and all of them went poof

no mobs nearby

[ebon notch]

was it not included in apl

[sullen mural]

U have to kindly ask your tank to move the pack next to the orbs

[balmy condor]

yeh that's never been a thing

[sullen mural]

And then u can blind

[azure flare]

doubt

[balmy condor]

APL has no control over what is affecting or not affecting

[jaunty matrix]

[balmy condor]

you play the same

[jaunty matrix]

so i guess i didn't blind the orbs after all

[oak tangle]

"can i ask a question" "yes" "can you.." "no you got one question"

[jaunty matrix]

but i thought i did

[sullen mural]

Probably just sm1 else doing it in the same frame

[jaunty matrix]

hmm

[sullen mural]

I guess

[jaunty matrix]

what a shit game

[azure flare]

birb what likely happened

is you blinded orb

at the same time someone else did their aoe stop

and you thought it was u

[ebon notch]

thank you ty

[jaunty matrix]

ye

pretty much

[balmy condor]

it was like this on raszageth too in vault, they copy pasted the orbs from that fight

and cc didn't cleave off the orbs then either

[jaunty matrix]

this company somehow gets away with being more lazy each year

[azure flare]

can u belf torrent the orbs tho

[west crown]

I have to kindly ask my tanks a lot of things. Or have no fun sweating when I don’t have to

[quasi ingot]

is there a list somewhere that shows all classes abilities for each affix?

[sullen mural]

I love being worthless on all 3 of the 4 affixes

Hype

2/3 ig nvm

[jaunty matrix]

don't ask tanks too many things

most of them have brain damage

from playing tank

[balmy condor]

what

[sullen mural]

Yes

U can

[balmy condor]

WHAT

since when

[west crown]

We can still play catch

[sullen mural]

Atleast when i did it in week 1

[azure flare]

OK DOING THAT

[oak tangle]

give them the SUCC

[sullen mural]

It worked

[raven egret]

so I havnt tried any subterfuge using builds so far, wonder if I should give them a shot this week-end. Havnt had any problems at all without, but yeah supercharge doesnt feel like much anyway

[shell ivy]

Can confirm

[uneven plume]

@balmy condor We play same talents for each boss in raid from WoWhead

[balmy condor]

is the orb thing a buff?

[azure flare]

i know it worked on raszageth and since it copy pasta

was wondering if it would work on them as well

[sullen mural]

Im not taking accountability if it changed in this buggy ass goofy shit patch but in week 1 it worked

[azure flare]

ill try it ina key to confirm

[raven egret]

pretty sure Tauren stomp also works

[oak tangle]

all forms of cc / dispell / interrupt work no?

[jaunty matrix]

do the orbs go away on dispell ?

[graceful bane]

double leathality still fine to run or change it to one point now?

[jaunty matrix]

if yes then belf racial should work on them

like it did on raza balls

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's removing 1 beneficial effect

[azure flare]

we always wanted double lethal

[balmy condor]

is the orb tied to a beneficial

[jaunty matrix]

i think besides that, belf racial counts as a dispel

[graceful bane]

roger ty ty

[oak tangle]

dh cleanse works

[balmy condor]

aight

[waxen thunder]

I can confirm belf racial works

[azure flare]

if dh cleanse works

[balmy condor]

then belf works

[azure flare]

then torrent works

thats sick

[waxen thunder]

Iunno why, it works though

[azure flare]

OK I GOT SOMETHING EVERY 2 MIN BOIS

belf stonks just went up

[sullen mural]

You know what would be crazy

If we had a 1 min aoe cc

Wouldnt that be wild

[oak tangle]

the orbs have 1 hp and a big shield right? i guess the shield is the beneficial effect

[sullen mural]

Haha

[azure flare]

that'd be crazy

[azure flare]

ah ye that could be it

[sullen mural]

You could like do every orb spawn

Imagine that

Imagine

[azure flare]

like every other aoe cc class :o

[jaunty matrix]

didn't rogue in the early expansions used to be the class that had a tool for every situation ?

[sullen mural]

Yeah that'd be so wild

[azure flare]

bro that's super outdated

[jaunty matrix]

ye

[sullen mural]

Imagine we had anything but cloak for the dispell aswell

[jaunty matrix]

a shame they dropped the idea

[sullen mural]

What a time that would be

[oak tangle]

just race change to dracthyr

[jaunty matrix]

so they could give paladin and mage every utility in the game

[median heath]

does the new assasination rogue feels bad without ER? or is just me

[azure flare]

for a knockback every 3 min?

[stray adder]

i think it does but its very subjective

[slate crown]

Anyone doing raid or dungeon want to test a new version of the envenom bar? Live page isn't updated yet, just a testing version

[raven egret]

well first it aint 'new', it still feels pretty much like it did before

we pumping hard this week too

[jaunty matrix]

we pump every week

[sullen mural]

I miss er sadge

[azure flare]

we just lost ~1% with bugfix maybe another 1% next week

still 2% buff

[sullen mural]

-2% still makes us giga good tho

[azure flare]

yeah

[sullen mural]

So who cares

[azure flare]

as long as they dont nerf us by 5%

[stray adder]

I want the goodies

[azure flare]

that's when we'll do less dam

than prev patch

[raven egret]

yeah I do think that the one point in supercharger... I kinda feel I have no where better to put it, but it leaves me pretty empty of any feels. Its just... there.

[sullen mural]

Still bringing iron wire

Huge value

[azure flare]

they can even go to 4% nerf

and we'll be ok

unless its st

[sullen mural]

That talent is so crazy

[azure flare]

that'd be dog

[sullen mural]

Yeah caustic is carrying m+ so hard

[azure flare]

iron wire always been goated sadly it lost its value last expac

cus too many aoe stops

[sullen mural]

I feel like

[azure flare]

but now that u cant just aoe stop a cast anymore

since they'll recast

ironwire stonks up

[sullen mural]

99% of my pugs dont know what iron wire even does

[jaunty matrix]

also something is off with blizz currently

[azure flare]

yeah

[jaunty matrix]

they are buffing warrior again

and a big buff too

[azure flare]

i mean

[jaunty matrix]

warrior never gets big buffs

[azure flare]

they overnerfed fury war

tbf

[jaunty matrix]

yes they did

[sullen mural]

Fuck them

Nerf them more

So i can padd in raid

I need logs

[raven egret]

'fury does too much aoe'
'ok nerf their entire kit'

[sullen mural]

Im stuck on 90s

[azure flare]

but its a huge st buff

[jaunty matrix]

because he was doing good in a raid they designed to fit like a glove on fury's damage profile

[raven egret]

like yeah I'm ok with them getting a bit of love XD

[azure flare]

will be interesting

[royal lantern]

i mean, do you know what other classes do?

[azure flare]

yeah

[sullen mural]

I do

Yeah

[azure flare]

I do at least cus i play most of em at some point

[royal lantern]

like, do you know that brewmaster can offheal mechanics solo if they want as an example

most dont

[azure flare]

but also

[sullen mural]

If you queue up to a 14 as a tank dh

And start off by silence sigil

When u have a rogue

U deserve to be shor

Shot*

[azure flare]

tbh thats super troll move yea lol

aoe silence sigil

rogue: am i a joke to u

[jaunty matrix]

same with doing chain pulls with 1 mob staying behind each time

[azure flare]

but honestly most tanks seem to be aware of iron wire

[sullen mural]

Chain pulling is fine

[azure flare]

they just dont understand how it triggers

[sullen mural]

But its always

On 1 mob alive

5% hp

LIKE JUST KILL IT

[jaunty matrix]

that's when friendly fire should be turned on and you kidney the tank

for 5 seconds

so they can stay still and think

its what i would like to happen

if tanks were capable of thinking

[past bobcat]

Is this a DS cook

[jaunty matrix]

[azure flare]

chainpulling one mob low hp should be a crime legally punishable

[royal lantern]

allright, time to close discord, the m+ monkeys talk again

[balmy condor]

it's definitely something

[azure flare]

[sullen mural]

What am i seeing

[azure flare]

man took the memes too personal relax brother

[past bobcat]

Just looking at Fuus spreadsheet lmao

[balmy condor]

one of the builds of all time

[azure flare]

whats the point of the build

[sullen mural]

We were memeing?

[balmy condor]

well if it's fuu's spreadsheet

the point is

"bigger number"

[azure flare]

we werent?

fuu's cooks scare me

[sullen mural]

If your tank dh starts the pull with silence sigil are you not dissapointed

[azure flare]

oh yeah for sure

i meant the chain pull

[brittle quail]

in the tank yes

[balmy condor]

I mean he just slams a top gear with every talent imagineable

it's not that scary

it's just a bit of a mess

when there's a lot of good talents

[turbid crest]

Why when i look at raiderio casual looks played without master assasin but with necro spikes ?
and when i look discord he suggest to play without necro spikes

[balmy condor]

idk ask him

[azure flare]

I guess tryan is one of the monkey tanks that starts with silence sigil

doesnt see anything wrong with it when he has rogue

[sullen mural]

Yeah i love all my value dissapearing

[azure flare]

brother

there r so many viable builds

u can just do almost w/e and make it work

[turbid crest]

nahh but

the thing is

[royal lantern]

who the fuck are you even

[azure flare]

werent u leaving discord

[sullen mural]

Arent all of casuqls 16s from before the patch?

[turbid crest]

he looks playing this

[azure flare]

why u back

[turbid crest]

bcs on VOD

he can double rrupture insta

[balmy condor]

okay so ask him

[turbid crest]

that means he play with necro spikes

already did but would have other ppl to com with

don't be rude whispyr

[balmy condor]

I'm not being rude

[turbid crest]

I OPENED WOWHEAD

[balmy condor]

you're asking why a streamer does X

I'm telling you to ask the streamer

[raven egret]

I still use necro spikes, sometimes I don't, its a fun world of possibilities

[balmy condor]

I'm not a mind reader

[azure flare]

tbh we cant know this unless we ask him as well

[sullen mural]

Whispyr why Do i fuck up my rotation do u know

[raven egret]

but yeah ask the persons doing the thing

[west jolt]

I could be overthinking this but I have 3 raid builds from wowhead guide
ST, ST w/ cleave and Council

Which bosses are you guys using anything other than ST? I know silken court use STcleave

But every boss feels like ST tbh

except silken court

[balmy condor]

council on ovi'nax and court

single target on ky'veza and sikran

cleave on everything else

[west jolt]

ty

[raven egret]

Ovinax was lagging so bad yesterday for my raid

Couldn't even see my Tempest go off XD

[balmy condor]

it'll do that yah

[sullen mural]

Cleave being

change internal to caustic

banger

[azure flare]

court bugged the f out of us yesterday

[balmy condor]

yah

[raven egret]

[balmy condor]

they wanted me to name them that

because SEO

which makes it confusing now

cause "cleave"

is what we call the archetype of left side talents

in m+

[raven egret]

When we getting Funnel build?

[onyx coyote]

will any of our choices change becuse of them fixing the lethality/kingsbane double dip?

[balmy condor]

hybrid technically is a funnel build

[sullen mural]

Speaking of m+ I didnt enter a key while builds were being cooked

whats the build now

this is my last point when i checked

[balmy condor]

probably not

[azure flare]

yea thisis what i go rn

i had double in lethality

[raven egret]

that works, I personally dont use subterfuge and keep 2 lethal and 1 Supercharge for now but, I know some use subter

[balmy condor]

yeh sure yolo

[raven egret]

pretty sure they all work well enough

[azure flare]

but with the bugfix for m+ ill swap one point into sub

[sullen mural]

I miss ER too much to play supercharger

get that ER from wish away from me

[azure flare]

cus i like a lil bit more of MA uptime

12 seconds is 12 seconds

[raven egret]

yeah thats the thing for me, I dont care much for Subterfuge either, but I'm with you Supercharger is very meh

[sullen mural]

Removed our only minigame

feelsbad

[turbid crest]

how much io u have

?

[azure flare]

hm wdym?

[sullen mural]

Damn kayu

spill the beans

whats ur score

Raider io score

I assume

[turbid crest]

asking bcs playing without death innopinate

[azure flare]

like 2.7k lol

[turbid crest]

would say u push hight key ?

[sullen mural]

without what

[turbid crest]

its not ego question

[azure flare]

nah i play with this now

[turbid crest]

dw

[balmy condor]

HALT
IO CHECKPOINT
WHIP IT OUT OR FACE THE LAW

[raven egret]

O_O Shit its the cops

[sullen mural]

"Let me cook"

[slate crown]

why would you do this to me

[azure flare]

nah only up till +12 rn

[turbid crest]

Master assasin give us big dmg u think on M+ ?

[azure flare]

yes

[turbid crest]

bcs the time we need to setup bleed ect

[azure flare]

its rlly big

[azure flare]

[west jolt]

[sullen mural]

If i dont do 3m dps next key with this im hunting u kayu

[azure flare]

LMFAO

bro honestly it does good dam

[turbid crest]

with the new tea things

i slack too many nrj

[azure flare]

i think on average im at 1.5m+

[turbid crest]

often

on ST

[azure flare]

depending how tank pulls

[turbid crest]

specially

[balmy condor]

you're not allowed to come through the checkpoint, turn back

[azure flare]

and thats at ilvl 619

[coral ibex]

fuck COT dude

[sullen mural]

is that good...

[azure flare]

with no skardyns

[sullen mural]

ah for thta ilvl

fair

[azure flare]

NO SKARDYNS TOO

[balmy condor]

round number pog

[azure flare]

so your result should be much better

[raven egret]

tbh I would miss my Bonespikes CP replenish

[azure flare]

yeah i get that but tbh

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/mongy-monke-monge-cute-cleaning-gif-27532745

[azure flare]

since u garrote so much

[past bobcat]

Do not pass go

[azure flare]

and garrote gives u 2 cp

i hardly feel it

[sullen mural]

My premade tank refuses to go here after he timed it on 12 without me

[raven egret]

Full CP! TBH!!!

[azure flare]

well ok i wont be full CP thats for sure

[oak tangle]

i don't know if its funny or sad, but i havent timed a mists

[azure flare]

try it

i think u might like it

[coral ibex]

mists is free tho

just dont fuck up first boss

[sullen mural]

No

no

[azure flare]

your kingsbane window with caustic is so hot

[sullen mural]

noo

[oak tangle]

i just dont do it, nothing there and i hate the last boss

[sullen mural]

You dont even know

[turbid crest]

still no skardyn

😢

[balmy condor]

where 3k

[sullen mural]

how many tanks I've seen

charge into first pack

insta die

leave key

[azure flare]

bro 2999

[sullen mural]

mists is not free

[azure flare]

feelsbad

[balmy condor]

also why is it always french

every time

[raven egret]

In all honesty, doesn't it feel damn good to play a spec that have options that are all valid

❤️ Sin

[sullen mural]

Depends

Im ape brain i just wanna play whats best and not think

this spec sucks for that

[azure flare]

yeepp

[turbid crest]

Idk how much overall skardyn gonna up me

on M+

[azure flare]

sin can kind of

make a lot of talents work

[turbid crest]

on sims its like 1%

[azure flare]

cus they have so many good talents

[turbid crest]

but no way

[azure flare]

unlike boomie

[coral ibex]

yea the flexibility in sin talents is pog

[azure flare]

will be a lot more

[raven egret]

Ask whipsyr he'll fix you up, even will tell you what gear to equip with a ironclad BiS list that is absolute

[coral ibex]

oh you wanna play subt, thats fine

[oak tangle]

sadegg

[coral ibex]

you wanna drop sbs, thats fine

anyone have a good weakaura that turns these into portal buttons

[azure flare]

I do

hold up

[sullen mural]

I only have this one

[royal lantern]

fuck the last boss

[azure flare]

https://wago.io/j8fI93tDS/6

[royal lantern]

i love being literally not able to see isntant death pudfles

[turbid crest]

miss skardyn so much

😢

[azure flare]

one day brother

[sullen mural]

fraud

[azure flare]

go do your ritual

grim batol jail

[turbid crest]

imagine

[azure flare]

ur not a real rogue until uve done 150 grim batol pulls

[turbid crest]

looking streamer with same rotation

pull at 12m on big packs

i do at 7 max

x)

zzz

[azure flare]

yeah its stupid lol

[sullen mural]

Dw elemental does 24m

[azure flare]

did u guys see ele nerf

its 20% ish on aoe

[turbid crest]

y

[azure flare]

[turbid crest]

boomi up

btw

[azure flare]

yeah

[turbid crest]

😮

[azure flare]

thats gonna be scary

[turbid crest]

happy

bcs

[sullen mural]

Boomi buff was weird

[turbid crest]

actually we push with dk/boomi

mostly as assa

[sullen mural]

they wrote "Aiming to improve st"

[turbid crest]

so

[sullen mural]

But buffed starfall

[azure flare]

i mean their st being nerfed was sus

[sullen mural]

?

[azure flare]

but then buffed star

yeah

I was like wtf

[sullen mural]

Like bro what

what are you saying

wdym st buff

XD

[azure flare]

do boomies star on st

fuck using surge

time to starfall

[sullen mural]

Arent they also buffing

shooting stars

so litterally just aoe talent

?XD

xdd

Yo can we get some ST buffs? (caustic spatter)

[azure flare]

i mean

ok in their defence

shooting stars is also an st talent

the stars dont aoe

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[azure flare]

they just proc from dots

so more dots = more shooting star procs

but those stars are all on individual targets

bit surprised they buffed it by 20% tho that's a lot

[turbid crest]

can we talk about something

[indigo totem]

Famous quotes in history:
Socrates: I drank what???
@balmy condor : @AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[turbid crest]

a mage blame me bcs im behind him overall on boralus

he was doing NO ST only aoe pad with flame strike

with dh tank + pi of priest heal

and he do 100k more overall

say i sucks

😢

[balmy condor]

top 2 of all time

[turbid crest]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-bttv-twitch-gif-22954193

[azure flare]

if the firemage is padding with flamestrike build

he's kind of trolling in a high key ngl

[turbid crest]

and after this , comparing my overall dmg

with casual

who play with war buff + chaman

😢

[azure flare]

but overall damage is a meme

[worthy timber]

Are we still using Thistle tea with <6s on KB?

[ashen scroll]

if you see a fire mage rn theres a problem

[azure flare]

tbh

they perform better than arcane

in m+ rn

[balmy condor]

not since last expac

[azure flare]

[tepid drum]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[turbid crest]

top dmg on grey mob

yeyyyyy

[sullen mural]

Mybad i thought of the shooting stars from 1 or 2 expansions ago where it was from starfall mainly

[turbid crest]

thats big on 13+

[ashen scroll]

they had to die!!!

[sullen mural]

Still buffing starfall and saying its for st is crazy

[azure flare]

they were really important mobs!!

[azure flare]

yea that's just dumb lol

[turbid crest]

told me , gngngng casual did 500k overall more than u

kekw

not same run at all

but why not

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-dwarf-hmp-seven-dwarves-gif-5535432318820609919

[azure flare]

some ppl are weird tbh

is what it is

just pity them and move on

[minor dagger]

can we switch to outlaw already or too soon?

[rotund oak]

[tired gull]

i like these rectangular icons

[sullen mural]

You can do whatever you want

[azure flare]

u can always switch to outlaw if u want

[random umbra]

Too late

[minor dagger]

nah

[azure flare]

but obv the bug abuse is fixed lol

[turbid crest]

imagine he was 3034 io and i dont even hit 3k

😢

im so bad

[azure flare]

also wth pi-ing fire mage

[minor dagger]

still

[azure flare]

is that even the play

i need to check

[rotund oak]

if u think ur r.io speaks of how good or bad player u are there is something srsly wrong

[azure flare]

ah yea it is

[turbid crest]

hes 3034

hes the best

[rotund oak]

so what

[turbid crest]

im sure

[azure flare]

sap

dwarf is being sarcastic

i think

right??

[turbid crest]

u think ?

xdddd

[azure flare]

yeah he is

[turbid crest]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[rotund oak]

🧢

but in anycase

we got alot of irrelevant spam lately

like imagine going into paladin discord and talk for boomies n stuff

dont rly care

[turbid crest]

i need chronos illusion on my dagger

holy

[azure flare]

how does chronos look like?

[azure flare]

hmm

[azure flare]

its aight

i like avalanche

[turbid crest]

im about to buy

nightmare

but expensif af

idk how much is chronos

[azure flare]

tbh unless u have a mog for it

dont

[rotund oak]

glorious tyranny btw

but unobtainable

[azure flare]

nightmare doesnt fit a lot of things