assassination

[humble verge]

both under me by like 300k atleast

[lucid silo]

at this point im not gonna spam it since i already have transmitter

[cobalt sphinx]

Die on the pull on erudax for good luck

[stray adder]

i hate target farming trinkets

[upper spear]

so true

[humble verge]

ive literally only tried to hard farm grim batol

[lucid silo]

i hate that you cant really target farm anything else since nothing drops at myth anymore

[humble verge]

i did like 5 sieges and got the ring

#blessed

[stray adder]

you don't understand, I dropped it on my alt

[mellow copper]

I gave up after about 50 runs, created a group and said i will pay 200k for trinket… invited only ppl who could drop it and had it on second try… but it cost me..

[runic hinge]

Ttk in dungeons feels kinda wack imo

[humble verge]

youre suggesting i try that zzz

[stray adder]

what happened to token price

why the dip

[lucid silo]

i dont think its worth the small difference for a hero track skardyns

[humble verge]

people started buying real money

nobody is buying with gold

[stray adder]

that would've went all the way to 400k

people are dumb af

[humble verge]

it was 450k

like 10am yesterday at peak

[stray adder]

in EU or NA

[humble verge]

wait no

today i mean

[stray adder]

not in NA for sure

[humble verge]

EU

[mellow copper]

Eu was even 550k in the morning

[humble verge]

nah 450k

[stray adder]

NA went up to like 320 top

[humble verge]

dont think i ever saw 550k

[stray adder]

550k is insane value

[humble verge]

^^

[true estuary]

Never counted how many runs but certainly less than 20. Got it on champion track early in the season, dropped one hero and passed it to a guildie to increase raid dps, then dropped a second hero for me

[humble verge]

fuck

me

ok funny enough im gonna say this

i got the skardyn on my first vault

but my dagger was myth track

so obv better choice over hero skardyn

[lucid silo]

i got myth spyglass first vault

[humble verge]

jesus

[lucid silo]

every vault since has been trash

[humble verge]

ok i got dagger frist

the good one "suggested" by wowhead

splice n dice

then i got myth tier shoulders last

[true estuary]

had to choose between myth spyglass and hero sureki that wed. easy choice

[lucid silo]

i got transmitter from raid so im okay with my trinkets

[humble verge]

and i got sirkan neck this week

:)

[true estuary]

yes boiii

[humble verge]

was obv choice

funny enough

[stray adder]

you took sureki i hope

[true estuary]

me gets it - me pass it moar. all are happy

[humble verge]

i sat out on sikran kill

and they got it there too LMAO

[true estuary]

yes yes

[humble verge]

and then we somehow killed rashanan in 4 tries

wtf

hella great thursday raid

[true estuary]

im still passing the pact right on normal and hero cos i have it on lfr

but raid dps > all

[lucid silo]

i got hero sikran neck. i doubt my guild is going to do myth sikran

[upper spear]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[humble verge]

then leave and get into a guild that does sikran, or have killed

[lucid silo]

nahhhhh

[true estuary]

well

[humble verge]

ok waht do i switch around for subt MA ttk?

[true estuary]

Grim batoleeeee

[humble verge]

yes

[true estuary]

Thats a .... Grim sight

[humble verge]

true

[true estuary]

dunno is it a big dps loss if you remove shrouded suff?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[humble verge]

i simmed 1,7m

[balmy condor]

shrouded is pretty strong

[balmy condor]

have you tried, da pins

:)

[humble verge]

no im stupid, i thought everyone knew that here

but ill use em

[true estuary]

if I open wowhead, isnt the brain going to fall out?

[humble verge]

^

[balmy condor]

yeh true

I should add like 15 m+ builds to the wowhead guide

so people stop asking why wowhead not subterfuge/ma

and instead people can start asking "which wowhead best"

[thorn fjord]

Finally got a hero track grace

holy fuck

[lucid silo]

!wowhead

idk how to open wowhead no command for it

[true estuary]

I dont want to sound ungratefull, but writing a guide is like... Sealing your Fate. But we still love you

[balmy condor]

yeah

writing a guide is

very cooked

[humble verge]

YPLKSDKOPSA

8m burst

wtf

i banged just now

[balmy condor]

burst spec bursts

more news at 10

kinda crazy

[humble verge]

true

:DSLÅADLPSADL;KSA

i ususly am at 4

[thorn fjord]

IVE BEEN RELEASED FROM MY PRISON

[upper spear]

u didnt see the patch notes? Skardyns isnt BIS anymore

[thorn fjord]

[true estuary]

then what is

[lucid silo]

the boomerang trinket from stonevault

[upper spear]

BIG

[true estuary]

lol

[kindred dune]

ocarina of time

[true estuary]

I dont care i have it too on hero. i hoarded quite some trinkets and rings 😄

[strange python]

Ok that's too creepy....this is a message I was just typing as you messaged this.

Understand that there are many possible builds ATM, and mostly understand why. My safe place is the current wowhead hybrid build, although for some reason I feel like I'm massively lacking in ST M+ bosses compared to prepatch (could well be due to ST raid build being so different therefore forgetting the basics like pooling in ST M+)

I suppose what I'm wondering is what is your favourite build? Can you see the recommended build shifting? Or do you think it's down to personal preference and or dungeon specifics

[balmy condor]

our st on bosses sucks regardless of what build you play that's just the cost of having really strong aoe and utility, gotta have some downside somewhere

I'm personally a fan of subterfuge/ma/ttk

[true estuary]

oh how much i hate subterfuge

[upper spear]

so it his Hyrbid + Subt and then swapping the talents mention in pins?

[grizzled geyser]

why?

[lyric stirrup]

I’m at work so I can’t sim atm but it’s prob okay to run subt/ma/sd right?? Instead of ttk
Sry for asking haha

[upper spear]

ty

the double vanish tech

[cobalt sphinx]

subterfuge is sweet

[balmy condor]

that's probably the build I'm adding to wowhead over the weekend

[true estuary]

because i like stealth being stealth and combat being combat

[upper spear]

looks easier to play, but is it top sim? guessing not

[lucid silo]

no sudden demise ?!?!?!?!?!

[strange python]

Big utility in this build

[grizzled geyser]

so do you hate IC as well?

[winged quail]

You sacrifice some AoE for ST and you get juiced utility

I’m glad double vanish is competitive

[balmy condor]

it's pretty much as good as it gets

[lucid silo]

double vanish is back bois

[strange python]

Surprised to see no lethality, but I suppose with all of the restealth opportunities MA giving juiced crit throughout most m+ packs anywya

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm still pretty convinced that the base hybrid is just better dps based on some dungeonroutes and some people I've talked to

but subterfuge is just really good

[true estuary]

That is diffrent

[winged quail]

I’m glad it’s not a literal dead talent now

I guess it gave us more time to not press cheap shot before

[true estuary]

didnt you say that master assassin and subterfuge contradict each other tho?

[grizzled geyser]

not really, subterfuge just doubles IC and MA basically, and on top of that you can actually open on packs with some garrotes to silence stuff and then ambush the target you actually wanna burst (when no DN up)

[lone ginkgo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[strange python]

Base hybrid is lovely haha. I think especially for the guides etc. base hybrid is very beginner friendly, or at least strikes the balance well between difficulty to play and output

[balmy condor]

what

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the goal

[strange python]

Wut, complement

[true estuary]

You misunderstand my reasons to nto liking it. I just dont like it. Mechanics are good

[strange python]

😂

[true estuary]

Maybe i am mistaken on the youtuber, sorry!

[balmy condor]

oh oh

no I know what you're referencing

[grizzled geyser]

you didnt do a great job explaining your reasoning tbf

[balmy condor]

that was between master assassin and carnage/imp gar

[winged quail]

Oh I remember this

[balmy condor]

cause like big crit window and spreading bleeds

just design wise

kinda contradict each other

number wise though master assassin is crazy

that's undeniable

[true estuary]

Yes because we either spread garrote and etc or we do big crits.

[thick sail]

@balmy condor I'm glad they made Master Assassin good again

[true estuary]

Ahm. I dont understadn the math, thats why im asking.

[thick sail]

It's been so worthless for so long

[still stone]

is there a genuine answer to how some people are getting ~20 envenoms more than me in less time on ST? im pressing envenom as much as i can and staying low on energy

[strange python]

I guess within 3-4gcds you have spread enough bleeds, so like 8ish seconds of ma to enjoy pumping

[true estuary]

Well i just dont like subterfuge. Like some people just dont like some stuff.

[thick sail]

And likewise glad we're no longer being discouraged from pressing buttons via Sanguine Blades

[winged quail]

I don’t think they contradict each other as much as it looks tbh, you get to open from stealth and make use of the imp gar/carnage then vanish to make use of MA in cooldowns since you don’t spread dots mid KB anyway

[thick sail]

Sanguine Blades being like 20% of my damage in DF felt so dumb

[sullen steppe]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

yeah but like just conceptually for the first 5-6 seconds of MA every pull you're not actually doing anything with MA

[winged quail]

Yeah no that’s fair enough

[thick sail]

"Here's this passive talent that you cannot skip or your dps will be ass, and by doing nothing you're rewarded"

MA feels so much better than SB

[still stone]

mythic rashanan. playing MA + TTK seems that after patch people are getting more envenom casts and more amp poison damage and im confused what im doing wrong

[winged quail]

Sanguine eating energy and encouraging us to stay under 50% outside of DM is cringe

[upper spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w7oHMGhbdz5WK4Rw5Rix66 did i do something wrong or are you trading dps for Utility of double vanish

[sturdy radish]

if you only have daggers - do you stay assassination for your delving or go subt w/ trickster for the 100% tricks?

[grizzled geyser]

you simmed your WAT build without ttk?

[upper spear]

you can click into them

[grizzled geyser]

i meant the NO wat build without ttk

[upper spear]

but its Hybrid / Subterfuge / Subtetfuge + TKK + MA

[waxen oyster]

i’ve been enjoying the no bonespike build

tbh

[grizzled geyser]

your top build has no WAT, but it also has SB instead of ttk is what im trying to say

doesnt seem like a fair comparison of WAT and no WAT if other stuff changes as well

[left sundial]

any tips for mist first boss nuke phase ?

[sullen steppe]

If we only have 1 shiv talented we just shiv the last 8 seconds of kingsbane right?

[upper spear]

use cooldowns

[normal mist]

keep both bleeded

[blazing pumice]

make sure you are carrying your mark over between bosses

[normal mist]

use CDs on burst phase

[left sundial]

my mistake i send envenom

not focusing %100 uptime bleeds

and nuke phase all the time rupture expires on nuke target

[true estuary]

excuse my incompetence, but what is WAT

[grizzled geyser]

double vanish

[left sundial]

i lose time re apply rupture = burst phase gone

[true estuary]

oh silly me. thanks

[left sundial]

then i should stop att giant at %30 - 25 right ?

in this timeline apply full bleeds on nuke target

[grizzled geyser]

you should vanish, get a mark on the boss, send bleeds and cds

did you have mark up on the boss? easy to forget

[left sundial]

mark not problem i can re apply with vanish but i confuse at

when nuke phase comes nuke target ruptures expire

i re apply and nuke gone 2-4 sec

[blazing pumice]

mark is a problem because you don't usually have vanish for the second one

[left sundial]

then i should stop giant boss at 25 -30 hp

[wind lance]

reapply bleeds when big boy is at 25%

[left sundial]

re apply ruptures to main boss

[wind lance]

yes

[left sundial]

ye ye

[fresh schooner]

any secret to good st damage on bosses with m+ spec?

[wind lance]

then vanish send cds

[true estuary]

Its a secret

[blazing pumice]

ye

can't share

[fresh schooner]

;_;

[blazing pumice]

wouldn't be secret tech then

outlaw had secret tech but someone leaked it

[true estuary]

No secret mate, just agony. The same we inflict to others is inflicted onto us

[fresh schooner]

stonevault 1st boss

im getting fuckked

[left sundial]

Sim yourself 1 boss 3min

[true estuary]

Keep bleeds, keep auto attacking, use shiv at 8 seconds of kingsbane and use cds. no secret. Maybe drink a battle pot and a flask, and use wax ot stones

[drowsy hatch]

Hard to compete in St m+ build vs bm

[upper spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s5Utp4cdWxEUWiwf4g4kC3

[true estuary]

You cant do much else with m+ build

[left sundial]

a big mistake players does after nuke rotation sending all envenoms like a crackhead 😄

[balmy condor]

how is that a mistake

[fresh schooner]

we should pool?

[dark viper]

hows assassination rouge doing so far? still good?

[balmy condor]

welcome to 11.0.5 assa

send envenom like a crackhead

[fair coyote]

with the 1.0.5 build i feel like i have so much energy

[balmy condor]

yes

[left sundial]

i try pooling and sending crackhead

crackhead feels pain

Real pain

[balmy condor]

technically yes, but it's pretty minor

[left sundial]

if others dont know to play our classes eta gg

[true estuary]

If you are constantly exposed to all these toxins and poisons, maybe youre not sending envenoms LIKE a crachead 😄

[grizzled geyser]

yea now double vanish wins, coz its a 6min sim and the vanish charge is quite impactful there

[left sundial]

only we getting slow about sending envenoms kb cd 10-20 right ?

cuz i energy starving

[fresh schooner]

pool for like kingsbane or something, feels like im oom on pure st bosses

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[fair coyote]

i cant even use tea on my opener cause i am constatly at high energy

[sullen steppe]

with 1 shiv charge talented do we basically just press it on CD with bleeds up but making sure we'll have one for our kingsbane window also

[balmy condor]

you should still do it

[fair coyote]

so is it better to waste the energy?

[left sundial]

kb tea - 7 sec kb shiv tea

[balmy condor]

currently yes

[waxen oyster]

assa is notoriously the lowest apm rogue spec

then people be surprised when we have downtime

[lyric cypress]

Anyone knows why in the devlin wa there is 3 marks in the rupture?

[balmy condor]

you can basically ignore shiv in aoe

[balmy condor]

bone spike

[lyric cypress]

Ty

[left sundial]

without twist the knife

still sending envenoms like a crackhead right ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[nocturne jasper]

we caught a stray next week

[cobalt sphinx]

dang yo

[balmy condor]

that's entirely deserved

master assassin is fucking insane

[shut owl]

best feels I've had was "send envenom on pandemic outside of cd's but maybe chill a few seconds before cds, crackhead inside cd's"

[true estuary]

Berk is my favourite person with the crackhead comparison!

[nocturne jasper]

yea its pretty nuts

[vernal shadow]

Are we not meta anymore?

[balmy condor]

hope so

[left sundial]

with master assassin 😄

[nocturne jasper]

i hope all the fotm rerollers leave

[west crown]

Can still take another 5% from caustic and we’d be fine and deserved

[left sundial]

but playing without master assa now

[shut owl]

I wanna play in break the meta again :<

[balmy condor]

let the caravan move on

[scenic nacelle]

erm guys

[slim pebble]

Omg 5% it’s JOEVER

[hallow glade]

assassinationsisters... did we get too cocky?

[blazing pumice]

blizz foreshadowed nerfs, i suspect some are coming our way

[vernal shadow]

Can we blame the theroy/sin()crafters for these nerfs?

[west crown]

We probably still take ma if we take sub right?

[slim pebble]

I couldn’t get close to this dps in the key I ran with it. What build are you running?

[cobalt sphinx]

shouldn't have talented MA until tuesday

[left sundial]

with nuke classes without SbS feels real pain

[balmy condor]

legit 2 minutes after the wowhead post and the channel is speeding up

[frigid kestrel]

This is exactly what I came for. I seen the nerf and I’m waiting for the chaos in here.

[slim pebble]

I’m sorry dad I’ll stop memeing

[tough geyser]

Got to make a pin lol

[vernal shadow]

[left sundial]

this pic was running master assa talent without sbs

[blazing pumice]

oh, they did put a nerf in

[vernal shadow]

Incoming

[blazing pumice]

was less than I thought

[lethal temple]

5% omegalul

[waxen oyster]

turns out turbo buffing MA made it really strong

[balmy condor]

people don't fucking read the pin when it's good information what makes you think they'll read it when I just repeat the wowhead post

[scenic nacelle]

He’s going to fucking lose it guys, keep it down

[waxen oyster]

and it still is

[cobalt sphinx]

i can't believe people want to discuss spec changes in the spec discussion channel

[scenic nacelle]

Can we get a MA badge in here please

[compact bear]

Anyone checked out the new weapons and trinkets from BRD? thinking if anyone of them is worth getting x)

[tough geyser]

Always check pins first but you are not wrong... sadge

[slim pebble]

So everything the same except swap SBS for MA?

[frigid kestrel]

If it makes you feel any better, I live off the pins. Every morning I wake up looking for an alert before I lurk

[west crown]

We could whisper at Whispyr and he’d lose it

[left sundial]

ye

[west crown]

It’s inevitable

[uneven plume]

25% to 20% is literally nothing

xD

[left sundial]

agree

[serene wyvern]

they nerfed MA with 5% and they cant revert the change to tea

[waxen oyster]

idk NW is free as sin

[serene wyvern]

fking blizzard

[waxen oyster]

you just blast gatekeepers

[balmy condor]

pins

[pseudo cosmos]

aktually its 5% 🤓

[scenic nacelle]

It’s literally a 66% nerf

[waxen oyster]

because MA nerf was deserved

Tea is a non issue

[serene wyvern]

i feel energy starved in st..

[uneven plume]

its not as big as the shaman nerfs

[uneven plume]

MA was broken

[timber kindle]

Guess not big maffs

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you’re playing sin

[west crown]

M+?

[left sundial]

Today ele shaman hits a pack 14 million brother

[waxen oyster]

sometimes you have downtime

[left sundial]

and i was deathmark mob

just feel me

[shadow badger]

They should nerf MA by making it 100% again

[dawn heath]

happy to see these MA nerfs

i didnt like it anyway

now i have a reason not to pick it in keys

[shut owl]

66% is some steiner math

[serene wyvern]

yea

[shadow badger]

It’s still 100% the best to play

[dawn heath]

doubt

[balmy condor]

they nerfed a strong talent and they can't spend time reverting a change that doesn't need to be reverted and they shouldn't spend time reverting because they got like a billion things they could be doing instead, like fixing bugs, or tuning actual talents, or eating ice cream, or watching grass grow

[west crown]

That’s normal

[balmy condor]

fking blizzard

[waxen oyster]

do people actually think

[timber kindle]

isnt 5% like watervvver though iosnt that around 20%?

[waxen oyster]

the tea mastery is significant

[balmy condor]

no

[waxen oyster]

because it isnt

[balmy condor]

do people think
no

[dawn heath]

i am happy with these nerfs

very happy

they iddnt nerf caustic

[keen mantle]

Guys , is Assa still meta? PLEASE TELL ME

[dawn heath]

its dead

[shut owl]

I just want stalker mark to stop disappearing on pull twice on me 🫠 First pull of the night on M sikran prog and we wiped at 2%. stalker mark disappeared after one finisher every time I applied it lol

[keen mantle]

oh my god plz tell me

[scenic nacelle]

Where are the Fatal Intent buffs. That shit suck donkey nuts

[midnight mist]

no way sin continue to get away with being that broken

[zealous knot]

cant believe they killed assa

[magic dust]

Yo the nerfs seem giga fine right?

[scenic nacelle]

You had your day in the sun 🙂

[scarlet wyvern]

can anybody help me with this situation?

When I go in M+ high keys I can manage to do on good pulls 3.5-5m dps but when im on a boss with all my CDs poppin plus trinket I can only do 700-950k is that normal?
The streamers manage 1.5m ST
I have 628 ilvl btw

[waxen oyster]

didnt nerf CT or caustic

[silk bane]

to be completly fair, they shoulda made tea auto consume optional kinda like how shadow has 2 options for shadow crash. but also its like 0.2% so who cares. its omstly a mental thing where i see this thing consume a tea and i wanna punch a bullet with my forehead

[shadow badger]

Holy fuck 5% nerf and people are losing their fucking minds. Also the emergence of newbies all talking about nerfs every time amuses me lol.

[midnight mist]

back in bfa maybe, never played back then

[dawn heath]

where?

oh didnt

lmao

💀

[royal lantern]

spec dead

blizzard hates rogue

never allowed to be good omg

gg im rerolling "insert spec here"

wow they dont play their own game

did i forgot something in the list?

[silk bane]

spec dead

blizzard hates rogue

never allowed to be good omg

gg im rerolling "insert spec here"

wow they dont play their own game

did i forgot something in the list?

[slim pebble]

I hope this 5% gets the FOTM away from us

[scenic nacelle]

I mean Wednesday with the trickster bug xd

[dawn heath]

i am really happy with the changes

[waxen oyster]

like even with 2/2 subterfuge and MA a 5% crit nerf to MA

is a slap on the wrist

[lyric cypress]

!wa

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[bleak ledge]

Sir, a minor tuning change has hit the wowhead post

[magic dust]

Dude 5% on a talent that is active for like 5% of the fight is nothing right?

[shadow badger]

A single day of FotM and the discord is like this ffs

[drowsy hatch]

Prayge more inconsequential nerfs and auto tea to remove fotm players

[stark umbra]

like when ur pack is about to die and u get energy refunded in 1 sec but tea procs just before it? 🙂

[midnight mist]

oh

[scarlet wyvern]

can anybody help me with this situation?

When I go in M+ high keys I can manage to do on good pulls 3.5-5m dps but when im on a boss with all my CDs poppin plus trinket I can only do 700-950k is that normal?
The streamers manage 1.5m ST
I have 628 ilvl btw

[slim pebble]

I’ve already seen way more rogues than normal. I don’t like it

[amber fossil]

how come many of the logs I see show no use of S/D

[waxen oyster]

im gonna be honest auto tea is better for majority of players

[slim pebble]

Streamers are usually playing with Aug and do giant pulls into boss

[silk bane]

bro thinks i play sin in keys. i only sign up as sin then swap to sub and proceed to brick the key as sub

[loud light]

are the streamers playing with aug? are you?

[drowsy hatch]

Cause most people dropped sd for ma

[shadow badger]

Yeah fuck people playing the lowest pop class in the game

[waxen oyster]

since most of them waste tea energy

[shadow badger]

Grrrr

[waxen oyster]

or sit on the cd too long and lose casts

[stark umbra]

more rogues = more class attention, they already said they fix shit quicker on most playable classes..

[slim pebble]

Fair. Just don’t put too much attention on us lol

[scarlet wyvern]

i see but with aug it was for me that much xD

[left sundial]

or someone need cry like a warrior main streamers 😄

[arctic tusk]

the only cringe thing ive run it to is when im trying to spend all my energy cuz the pack is gona die and refund me energy plus the time between the next pack

so why not go below 30

[scarlet wyvern]

but then when ppl wipe or they do thei rmistakes they start pointing at me "FK THAT ROGUE DOGSHIT DPS"

[shadow badger]

Skill diff. Buff diff. Better rupture spreading. Better gcd optimization. Better stats. Who fuckin knows it’s impossible to tell without looking at logs.

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean giant pulls will inflate your boss dam numbers

[slim pebble]

Just press your buttons and you’ll be fine

[waxen oyster]

because you’re spattering

onto something usually

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, i click them

[scarlet wyvern]

i see..

[shadow badger]

Fuck looking at streamers who have played 10k hours on the spec just play the game and focus on getting better and you will

[karmic stream]

Does the nerf at all impact the "new" subterfuge builds?

[magic dust]

Its been 3 minutes already. When does @balmy condor show up with sims huh

[waxen oyster]

this is a fun week to degen

[scarlet wyvern]

my dot uptimes are always 95% min

[waxen oyster]

and ct on affix spawns

for fat ct ticks on boss

[plush isle]

MA already dead after 2 days ?

[final star]

assa dead

it's so joever

[arctic tusk]

dead

[runic hinge]

Anything you play is meta king

[final star]

[uneven plume]

specs dead

[shadow badger]

Like what key is it. Are they taking advantage of spreading scent of blood on boss ads? Are they padding? Are just hitting crusts on KB?

It all matters

[normal mist]

I have 30+, so i'm still above 50%

which means its 100%

[pseudo cosmos]

its joever

[final star]

it is quite insane that assa aoe hasn't seen a nerf

[waxen oyster]

or you could just

not play MA

[spark mason]

everyone just needs to say it's a 45% dps loss and the rerolls will come rolling in even though it's a lie

[humble verge]

sadge

[waxen oyster]

and the change is even less

[scarlet wyvern]

DAWN 13 1st boss

[runic hinge]

They nerfed spatter 5% wdym

[waxen oyster]

dude that was so funny

”nerf”

[runic hinge]

lol

[normal mist]

oh i just realized i'm late and yall already talked about it

[waxen oyster]

in the same notes that buffed all damage

[uneven plume]

why would assa get nerfed when there is a fdk/ele/ench/aug running loose in the game

[normal mist]

back to Queu simulator i go

[icy mantle]

nerf?

more nerf

[final star]

yeah not enough

[runic hinge]

Actually a buff

[keen mantle]

ok i go augmentation agian

again*

[prime hull]

They nerfed those specs in this same patch.

[waxen oyster]

do the real chad play

[final star]

nerf spatter, nerf ct

[crude sequoia]

when can i play augmentation rogue spec

[uneven plume]

good

[final star]

:3

[runic hinge]

Okay leave ct alone

[waxen oyster]

of only 1/2 subterfuge

[runic hinge]

Ct is beautiful

[plush isle]

if something should be nerfed its our single target damage

[royal lantern]

unplayble smh my head

[silk bane]

assa dead
it's so joever

[waxen oyster]

xddd

[crude sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-twitch-7tv-gif-18228911432715801849

[silk bane]

assa dead
it's so joever

[royal lantern]

what

[grave trail]

let assa aoe be strong it hasnt been meta in m+ since like ever

[royal lantern]

assa ST is the "weaker" part

[waxen oyster]

the less invested into ma talents you are the less this nerf affects

[royal lantern]

aoe is the shit that is stupid insane since TWW

[scarlet wyvern]

im not using MA idk, dont feel it

[dapper halo]

how big is that master ass nerf

what does SIMS say

[icy mantle]

is big nerf? reroll?

[waxen oyster]

depends if you’re playing the talent

and subterfuge

[grave trail]

yes reroll

[magic dust]

Wow when a patch hits the dc is running crazy huh

[final star]

Yeah reroll

[mortal badger]

assa 📉
sub 📈

[silk bane]

oh yeah

assa dead
it's so joever

[waxen oyster]

1/2 subterfuge already plays better

[silk bane]

trust

reroll time

[royal lantern]

unplayable

[topaz horizon]

[royal lantern]

unless you are quake

[silk bane]

heard its so big u cant clear tier 1 delves

[royal lantern]

cus quake just crits anyway

he is build different

[normal mist]

sharing once was not enough, gotta spam it twice just to be sure

[spice spire]

Amen

[buoyant pilot]

giving up on ce this season with this nerf might as well not play

[cedar hatch]

assa is dead time to play frost dk

[kindred pewter]

gg assa ded

[oak eagle]

we love people who cant think for themselves

[spice spire]

Could be 5%, I win those

[muted ridge]

very real

[magic dust]

LMAO

[hollow talon]

do we reroll boomy now

looks like shaman nerfed

[upper solstice]

REROLL TIME

[cedar hatch]

frost dk

[hallow pelican]

the Fury buffs are pretty wild

[uneven plume]

@balmy condor Question. MA is technically a chance right? So in a run 25% chance can still be less than 20% amount of times procced. Idk how spells work -.-

[stray adder]

who is the guy at blizzard who keeps fucking around with the numbers, he needs to relax

[silk bane]

a chance if youre bad

[hollow talon]

its actually a 50% chance

[silk bane]

quake crits 100% of the time

cuz he skilled

[hollow talon]

you either crit

or you dont

[novel star]

pinging whispyr to ask what a critical strike is

[silk bane]

man i love @spice spire

[runic hinge]

Just shrimply crit every time

[stray adder]

5% MA nerf, time to go boys

[slim pebble]

Whispyr is gonna wipe us off the face of the planet

[spice spire]

Hey king

[patent igloo]

Hey guys what’s the go to class to reroll too ?

[icy mantle]

wich % in overall with nerf?

[drowsy hatch]

Invest in shadow priest

[vernal snow]

You guys need to chill, just get 5% more crit from gear and it's back to pre nerf. 9999 IQ

[kindred pewter]

30% nerf

[icy mantle]

why?

[mortal badger]

warlock got 3 specs buffed so you know

[winged quail]

Getting one talent nerfed by 20% and nothing else is not nearly as bad as I expected

[still jasper]

tahts because locks were shit bro

[royal lantern]

that is supposed to be a serious question and not bait, right?

[spice spire]

Don’t rat my sauce dog come on

[uneven plume]

nah not bait. I really want to know

[drowsy hatch]

I only spread truth

[uneven plume]

maybe i worded it wrong

[silent drift]

so what, we swap to sub after the nerfs?

[hollow talon]

its 50/50 you crit or you dont

[hearty reef]

evasionbros?

we dodging

[fresh kelp]

yep assa extremely super dead after this hard hitting nerf

[winged quail]

MA got nerfed by 20% should I unsub now???

[slim pebble]

Yes king

[ashen scroll]

this has gotta be the smallest possible nerf right

[winged quail]

Yes

[cobalt sphinx]

it's over

[royal lantern]

well, its crit lol

if you have, idk, 23% crit you have a 23% chance to do double dmg

Master Assassin just gives you 25%(and 20% now) more crit chance added, aka the 23% crit is 48% with it as an example

thats all

[magic dust]

I love how whispyr is tryping

[cedar hatch]

nah sub is trash after dust removal

[magic dust]

since 10 years to wipe us off

[winged quail]

Guys when are we holding protests?

[lofty nymph]

were cooked -5% crit chance

[silk bane]

no its not. what

[spice spire]

It’s up there ngl

[royal lantern]

its 2, affliction, demo and a hero tree

and our warlock is somewhat pissed cus they giga buff demo again, and in his words "can demo not be the best spec for once in 6 years?"

[cobalt sphinx]

5% crit is kind of a lot but the talent was madness with subterfuge anyway

[spice spire]

5% crit for 6-12s every 2m

[thorn fjord]

Why even change it tbh lmao

But yeah nbd

[spice surge]

Token nerf

[winged quail]

One talent got nerfed by 20% should I reroll FF14????

[spice surge]

So people can be like "yeah they nerfed assa"

[thorn fjord]

[left sundial]

lets go lost ark

[waxen oyster]

i mean it was too strong when they buffed to even 6s

[spice spire]

To send a message

[slim pebble]

Yes and send me your gold so I can get bruto

[thorn fjord]

We’re watching you

[spice surge]

To me this is like the best case scenario

[thorn fjord]

Lmaooo

[spice spire]

@earnest remnant

[thorn fjord]

Agreed lol

[mortal badger]

destro is that down bad huh

[stray adder]

we're somehow dodging big nerfs, i love it

[silk bane]

so what youre saying is sin got bfa sub 2.0'd?

[spice spire]

We got zul’d again

Go next

[dawn heath]

people malding over this nerf unironically is crazy

we were mad powerful

[winged quail]

How could they do this, spec now

[royal lantern]

99% of the comments here are jokes

[thorn fjord]

They mald over tea

[silk bane]

im lowkey very happy for this because taking MA over sanguin blades in keys was a disgusting degen playstyle i hated. very happy about this hope its enough to make sanguine better in keys

[ashen scroll]

oh no my 1% nerf

[royal lantern]

about the "nerf"

[ashen scroll]

what will i do

gotta reroll

[royal lantern]

cus its a token nerf at best lol

[split maple]

One would hope. Cause otherwise

[spice spire]

I don’t even think it’s 1%

Legitimately

Like

[ashen scroll]

ya

[spice spire]

I don’t think it’s close

[ashen scroll]

1% is generous

[thorn fjord]

You can still play SB breh

[stray adder]

TCs are working overtime this expac

[royal lantern]

yes this channel is often really degen in the last few weeks

but right now its really obvious people joking lol

[spice spire]

To
1%

[thorn fjord]

Just play the OG build it’s like 1% behind

[cobalt sphinx]

not all content is 5 minute patchwerk single target

[winged quail]

5% less crit in cooldowns every 2 mins

[silk bane]

sims worse so i dont. i follow as the robot commands. fight me.

[waxen oyster]

you could play both

[spice spire]

Yeah I agree - but In all aspects

[waxen oyster]

just drop sbs

[spice spire]

I don’t even think this is 1%

[thorn fjord]

You won’t feel 1% but you’ll feel more joy playing the talents you like

[dawn heath]

Watched zero today on stream

[spice spire]

But I could be lit who knows

[onyx gyro]

take if 5% master assassin nerf not a big deal

[dawn heath]

my man was dropping ironwire for extra damage

[slim pebble]

Dropping SBS would feel so weird

[winged quail]

Spec is dead reroll now

[thorn fjord]

I meant in variation between the two loadouts

[slim pebble]

He’s not human. He throws together the weirdest talent combos and it works

[silk bane]

1)n thats a noticable st loss. 2) pretty sure even if sims say that works, its a bigger los in aoe becaus of how much it slows down your opener. 3) it legit doesnt matter. im just happy the talent isnt as overpowered as it is

[waxen oyster]

i did like 6 keys without it

its fine

[spice spire]

Oh true

[arctic tusk]

now whispry can tell us that subterfuge without a trace makes u lose even more dmg

[slim pebble]

I’m more impressed you got into six keys

[dawn heath]

numerically fine, just feel turbo ass to play

[frosty bridge]

Supercharger back on the menu

[waxen oyster]

im 631

kind of helps

[frosty bridge]

jk, this seems like nothing

[slim pebble]

I’m 624, is that the tech?

[fickle lotus]

did you run splits?

[dawn heath]

he played his own key 6 times*

[thorn fjord]

Whispyr is fucking cooking right now

[winged quail]

Whisp was running Subt double vanish

[waxen oyster]

no

[ashen scroll]

whispyr is still typing

jesus

[thorn fjord]

Been typing for a minute

[dawn heath]

i am 630 item level also with no raiding

[left sundial]

no for a min typing for a 30 min 😄

[arctic tusk]

that didnt change what I said

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure i’ve seen some
rogues

at 634 already

[fickle lotus]

No way you get that high without splits

[dawn heath]

i am so happy about these nerfs

i didnt wanna play MA anyway in m+

[arctic tusk]

633.88 rogue here 👋

[dawn heath]

lets hope this moves the margin enough to not run it

[waxen oyster]

yeah 634 is mostly the rogues in higher guilds

[novel star]

i really dont think the nerf is going to do anything at all

[balmy condor]

Tuesday Nerf + Lethality hotfix

-0.6% in single target

-1.6% in dslice

Lethality hotfix is not able to be simmed atm, but generally pretty minor

Move along, not much to see here

BUT DO WE STILL AND HOW AND WHAT AND CAN I AND DOES IT AND WHEN I AND IF I
No, this doesn't change builds or gameplay, we still play master assassin, we still vanish during dm/kb and get the buff and we still can play subterfuge in mythic+ and we still can play master assassin in mythic+ and lethality is still good and if you hate subterfuge or master assassin you can still play something else and yes the wowhead build is still fine and yes there's still like 15 builds you can play in mythic+ and it's all good and we still do all the normal things and we still do a lot of damage and we're still very good and you still run the same trinkets and we still gear the same and all the things you could possibly dream of are still the exact same and nothing is different and does the highest simming dslice I have right now drop kingsbane for twist the knife, sure yeah it does, but don't do that and just do the same thing and also like does it drop bone spike? yeah sure probably but don't do that and like just take a minute to breathe and relax and it super doesn't matter just play a build and push buttons man the game is a game, not a spreadsheet simulation mini-game just have fun blasting with your friends

[novel star]

lol

[waxen oyster]

which means splits

[fresh kelp]

[wheat steeple]

-1% buff

[dawn heath]

To be fair

[novel star]

the pins are getting worse every day

[thorn fjord]

Praise

[waxen oyster]

also @silk bane no sbs is like a 30k loss over no sd build for me on patchwerk

[fickle lotus]

i'm still a trial in a guild, i joined after they finished splits so i've been fiending for some gear 😭

[lofty nymph]

i love whispyr

[novel star]

u cant even fucking see the bugfix pin anymore

[dawn heath]

MA TTK subterfuge was simming 2% higher in Dslice than the old build

[real granite]

still still still still still still

[dawn heath]

a 1.6% nerf

perfect

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure im low on the prio list

[dawn heath]

now it sims within 0.5%

[waxen oyster]

for ansurek ring

[balmy condor]

that's cause the bugfix pin is gone

[waxen oyster]

which we’ve only seen twice

[thorn fjord]

Was 1.2 for me

[glad osprey]

is echoing reprimand not worth it anymore?

[waxen oyster]

one went to dhs obvs

[novel star]

wasnt when i screenshotted it

[thorn fjord]

It’s so minor

[novel star]

[thorn fjord]

Literally doesn’t matter

[balmy condor]

caching issue

L ratio

[drowsy hatch]

New echoing is doggy dog water

[novel star]

whispyr im gonna eat you alive

[spice spire]

ER is uh not here anymore

Unless you mean new

[balmy condor]

god I love vore

[spice spire]

It’s okay

[slim pebble]

Where are these friends Whispyr

[novel star]

any particular kind

or

[spice spire]

Gonna love when I vore ur bum eh

[thorn fjord]

In the noggin

[lime pelican]

drop bonespike for ttk?

[waxen oyster]

recraft abuse helps

[balmy condor]

PoV gotta be on top

[waxen oyster]

in terms of saving crests

[novel star]

damn, goat

[oblique flare]

I think I will unbind kick and blind to make up for the MA nerf.

[raw plover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raven egret]

Sup fellow rogues, having a good week?

[thorn fjord]

Stop

[spice spire]

Oli wouldn’t know Blud has never been a top in their life

[thorn fjord]

Lmao

[arctic tusk]

@balmy condor i screenshot this from ur stream but whats the updated version

[fickle lotus]

Only lucky on a mythic dagger so far still waiting for a ring 💪

[arctic tusk]

what nodes to take out and keep in

[spice spire]

No but that’s 100% unrelated to this.
I hope you’ve had a great week king

[silk bane]

yeah thats like 2%. idk i value a 2% st gain more than a 0.8% pad gain

[balmy condor]

whatever you want kind

there's so many talents I have to do it in like

5 combinations

[raven egret]

hey I was honest, I love talking with yall, just got here today

[silk bane]

so what youre saying is that its joever, and reroll time and devs dont love us?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[silk bane]

makes sense thanks

[spice spire]

Begging for the reroll

[balmy condor]

they can tune master assassin but they can't tuna fish?

insane

[spice spire]

Get ur spriests ready

[waxen oyster]

yeah got my second bloodbound one, no myth rings

[silk bane]

insane

[silk bane]

speaking of tuna fish i should call her...

[frosty bridge]

is the nerf on latest? can i sim :3

[waxen oyster]

also really depends on key level like i would not play no sd in 10s and below

[silk bane]

@spice spire ring ring ring... pickup

[balmy condor]

nerf is on tuesday dude what day is it

[waxen oyster]

SD still does like 3-4% in 10s

[frosty bridge]

ughhhh

[waxen oyster]

not counting the bleed gain

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-hammers-nl-halloween-spooky-gif-13950356356208053446

[frosty bridge]

like

saturday

[spice spire]

I’m gonna dick u tf down if you keep playing

[arctic tusk]

so what im hearing is that i have to ask the question on stream nad youll show me again

[fathom cove]

drop kingsbane for twist the knife
how much gain is that in your sim whisp?

[severe meadow]

We opened rolled it in our guild and I'm pretty sure an Evoker won it

[balmy condor]

no, what you're hearing is you gotta figure it out yourself

[arctic tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-dancing-gif-24233159

[silk bane]

this coudl be us but u playin

[balmy condor]

dslice sayin a big fatty 0.3%

[waxen oyster]

do all your rogues have 2 already

💀

[ebon notch]

5% MA nerf is nothing really right

[severe meadow]

I'm the only Rogue and no

[spice spire]

I’d never drop 90 on a mount

[spice spire]

Daps

You know better

[waxen oyster]

uhh

[spice spire]

Check the fucking pin

[waxen oyster]

weird loot then

[ebon notch]

It’s my birthday be nice

[severe meadow]

True

[balmy condor]

I'm so sick of dslice man

[spice spire]

Is it actually?

[pure star]

bruh i was really expecting a bigger nerf, WE MADE IT LADS

[balmy condor]

this fight style

is so ass

[ebon notch]

Yessir

[waxen oyster]

not sure why’d you open roll that when your only class that can use doesnt have them

[spice spire]

Oh 26th time zones

[ebon notch]

Check OT I got love bombed

[waxen oyster]

we started mog rolling hc regicides though

[spice spire]

I thought I had it wrong on here

Happy birthday king but also fuck off

[delicate imp]

How close are ass rogues and sub rogues in DPS? Just curious . ive been free from arcane mage prison

[cobalt sphinx]

Its over

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen schizo’s hallucinate less than this shit ass sim bro

[severe meadow]

We have yet to see Regicides but I have a mythic dagger anyway

[west crown]

Literally this class went from 0 to hero this expansion from beta to now

[severe meadow]

We're 4/8m atm

[waxen oyster]

i meant hc

[ebon notch]

😦

[spice spire]

Ily

[waxen oyster]

very unlikely people have double mythic regicides

xDD

[fickle lotus]

it's so cool when you upgrade those to max it gives you the mythic mog as well

[severe meadow]

True, I have the kukri or w/e

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah you have to hack the shit out of patchwerk apl to make it work in dslice

[slim pebble]

We didn’t see a single bloodhound weapon drop until mythic in our guild

[echo heath]

Whysper needs to take some PTO and unwind after Tuesday

[waxen oyster]

We had 2 drop on our first kill

[fallow marsh]

We got away with a slap on the wrist 😂

[waxen oyster]

i was on vacay

xd

also generally not worth upgrading offhand one to 639

unless you multispec

[west crown]

Sin is ahead, sub is a little buggy so I’ve heard. Play what you want

[waxen oyster]

and did it for a pirate mh

[delicate imp]

tyvm friend!

[fickle lotus]

I'm the only rogue in my guild so kyveza drops a mythic dagger on our monday kill

[icy mantle]

Was the nerf enough to change specifications?

spec*

[tulip fern]

Am I dumb or would assa rogue benefit from offfhand more than any other dual wielder because of how mutilate works

[spare cargo]

holly shit i hope you guys are trolling

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-12729976

[silk bane]

vat

[waxen oyster]

i got my second mythic dagger
so thankfully dont have to worry

[raven egret]

aboot?

[waxen oyster]

Our hc loot luck is shit honestly

[tulip fern]

Well mutilate specifically says attack with both daggers so you know, I’m cooking

[waxen oyster]

like 2 transmitter, 1 fist, 2 rings all season

[iron valve]

to my knowledge, mutilate is just %AP damage, it doesn't care about weapon damage

[waxen oyster]

i think only one mandate

[balmy condor]

It’s not even the hacking that’s annoying, it’s that dslice is such a weird sim that introduces a bunch of awkward local maximums and timings issues but there’s no alternative that sucks less so it’s just a battle of like “is dropping kingsbane actually 0.3% better? Is that a problem with the sequencing? Is that a problem with the fight style?” And you gotta rinse repeat and investigate like 40 things every time something changes cause all of dslice is built like a half finished jenga tower and im so tired man

[fickle lotus]

We're already doing sales so I doubt I'll ever get a transmitter/ring unless it's in vault

[west crown]

You’ve seen rings?

[balmy condor]

I hate dslice

So much

But there’s legit just like no good way to do it otherwise

[waxen oyster]

we saw 2

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

first went to dh obvs

tried pugging normal and lost the roll one week it dropped

xddd

its a 7k gain over my hero boralus

[west crown]

Yeah I’m probably like 3rd in line for ring and I’ve already outgeared it so it doesn’t matter

[agile geode]

why u cant just relax man? ure doing enough with guides and instant info

[raven egret]

3rd in line for ring? RIP, the line!

[fickle lotus]

The only time you'll outgear that ring is if you get a mythic ring xdd

[west crown]

Yeah but my guild isn’t going to give a 7k increase to me. It will go to someone where it’s 40k

[waxen oyster]

yeah hc ring doesnt lose to anything

iirc

[humble verge]

PL?ÅRPOKDSKPOSAKPOSDAKPOSAKPODSKPOASKDPAO

I GOT IT

FINALLY

im gonna go to bed

and have a goods night sleep

[torn notch]

W

[west crown]

Now get it on mythic track

[strange python]

I like whispyr madness

so cool

[nimble tartan]

i need some opinions

[waxen oyster]

for me it was a 626 vs 619

[raven egret]

I mean show me the sims of the person where its that big of a gap, and tell em to start gearing up to begin with -_-

[true estuary]

did you know that the hybrid potion shares cooldown with the battle potions, instead of the health potion? kek programming

[waxen oyster]

atp not many classes will have a bigger gain from ring

besides dhs since crit is their best stat

[west crown]

Our raid lead tells our deadweight that every week when they complain about only getting 3 pieces because everyone else out geared the content

[waxen oyster]

and all their damage works with it

[ebon notch]

I’ll help you

These guys are monkeys

[icy mantle]

Will this nerf force a spec change?

[ebon notch]

Yes it’s over

Go ele shaman

[waxen oyster]

yes play shadow priest

[nimble tartan]

2 day guild working on silken 630 ilevel guild average do we extend

[balmy condor]

the what potion

[nimble tartan]

it will take us almost a raid night or just under to reclear

back to court

[true estuary]

Cavedweller

[solar orbit]

Does updating a WA override the changes we've done to it?

[true estuary]

hp+mana

[balmy condor]

oh that fucking shit again

[nimble tartan]

thoughts?

[ebon notch]

Takes a whole night to reclear?

[true estuary]

yes yes! we can double dip HP at the small price of dps now yes yes. plus some mana

[ebon notch]

I mean ilvl will always help but you won’t kill queen till some sizeable nerfs

[balmy condor]

or

hypothetically

[ebon notch]

What’s your prog on silken

[balmy condor]

don't use garbage

?

[nimble tartan]

not a whole but it takes up 60% of the night

[sullen steppe]

Does point 4 mean I should be mouseover rupturing 5 targets always in aoe or does it just mean my rupture spreading from indiscriminate carnage

[balmy condor]

who tf uses cavedweller potions

[nimble tartan]

early afternoon

[ebon notch]

What

[nimble tartan]

early af

srry

[true estuary]

I was just messing with you mate 😄

[ebon notch]

Hahaha

[raven egret]

they are great to feed alchemy XD

[nimble tartan]

like almost p1 downloaded

[fast mural]

Op we got a nerf

[nimble tartan]

lmfaoo

[ebon notch]

I mean with every reclear it will get faster and you get the stacking damage buff every week

[drowsy hatch]

I use cavedweller when I'm a cheap bum in early heroic reclear = )

[nimble tartan]

im thinking 1 more week into extendo to be greedy

[balmy condor]

you gotta make a bit of a judgement call if it's worth spreading that many ruptures or if the pull isn't gonna last long enough to waste your time on that

but in like really long aoe

[ebon notch]

Will also help prevent burn out since you aren’t sitting on the same two bosses every week

[balmy condor]

you should be maintaining yes

[waxen oyster]

ngl

i was surprised i didnt mental boom in sepulcher

extendo since boss 6

[cobalt sphinx]

Cavedweller is a combat pot and algari is a healing pot so you can use both as a resto rogue

[waxen oyster]

[true estuary]

THATS WHAT I MENT!

we even get mana

[waxen oyster]

the mana is probs why it shares battle pot cd

[fast mural]

Did anyone got banned abusing the bug ?

[waxen oyster]

arent mana pots on cd with it

[raven egret]

wasnt Sin so who knows

[balmy condor]

when are we getting a poisoneer spec that's like aug but we like inject people with steroids and daze the boss and shit

[balmy condor]

yes

a bunch of people

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah mana tempered and cavedweller should all be shared combat pots

[balmy condor]

entire raids got 2 week bans

and kills reverted

[waxen oyster]

I did 2 10 keys with outlaw bug.

[raven egret]

I am 100% for Combat Medic lets go, we gonna drug the hell out of the raids

[waxen oyster]

didnt get actioned

because meme content

[true estuary]

I really love how one mention of cavedweller potion shifted the whole focus off MA nerf

[balmy condor]

yeh

you have to like

REALLLLLLLLLY have abused

[fast mural]

Oh rly ? Because I see still
Runs on raider io be up

[balmy condor]

it'll be a couple days until they all get filtered out

warcraftlogs is working on removing a bunch of logs too

but these things take time

[waxen oyster]

kihra took a month to remove my banshee blight on pull bugged log

in sanctum

[fast mural]

He true, I think they deserved a punishment

[balmy condor]

like scrubbing and entire database of stuff and making sure that it was actually wrong and checking and retesting the cases

absolute headache

[waxen oyster]

I mean

it was bad taste

to be slow on the fix

[balmy condor]

wcl alone probably has to crawl through tens of thousands of logs

[waxen oyster]

then add a store mount

worth a 6 month sub

right after

[fast mural]

Yea madness, so also other people will lose their scores that were picking outlaws ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

not everyone but like the +16's and stuff

[waxen oyster]

Although let’s be honest

[balmy condor]

those are getting rolled back

[waxen oyster]

most of the big abusers

were getting title

anyway

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean it's frankly insane they only got 2 weeks

[waxen oyster]

its so weird when randoms complain about it to me

[fast mural]

So you could abuse all
15 and be free ? 🤣

[waxen oyster]

they’re not stopping you

from getting title

[balmy condor]

obviously not man

[dapper halo]

i dont understand why you would abuse a bug, you know there will be recoursefor such action

[fast mural]

It’s sad that people find a bug and they rush to cheat

[dapper halo]

guess that "im op now" is so irresistible

[fast mural]

Because they think blizzard will not give any attention

[austere bramble]

Is fate bound similar performance in dslice

[lucid silo]

does shadowrunner not work

[waxen oyster]

Because a minor suspension doesnt matter

[icy mantle]

wich % in nerf aoe and single?

[waxen oyster]

its literally pinned

and thats probably assuming you’re playing 2/2 subterfuge

[scarlet wyvern]

which talent build would you guys recommend for +13 keys? with bonespike or MA?

[normal mist]

check the pins

[waxen oyster]

They literally all work

kush was playing standard hybrid in 15s

[icy mantle]

?

[drowsy hatch]

Are you missing the pins saying the exact % nerfs in both situations or what

[normal mist]

brother in christ

[fathom cove]

what talents am I dropping for subterfuge in M+ hybrid build?

[peak saffron]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[peak saffron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grizzled geyser]

some spells (like mutilate or garrote, but not ambush for example) seem to trigger a /startattack when pressed, even if I am in stealth and not in range of a mob. So if I'm stealthed, 20 yards from a mob and press mutilate, it will target the mob and queue autoattacks. If I then walk up to that mob to ambush it, it will just autoattack the mob automatically before the ambush even goes off if I do not press esc or deselect and reselect the target first.

Does anyone know why this happens? Mutilate and Rupture queue the autoattacks, garrote/ambush for example do not - and no I do not use a macro on those spells, straight from the spellbook

[waxen oyster]

The reading capability of grey gunthers.

[spice spire]

@ me

[waxen oyster]

No you’re blue billy

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x1duwuAhfkG9m6PS9vsceV swapped around and changed into subt ttk, forgot MA tho

[lofty nymph]

I think, this should be it?

[misty holly]

Reading that pin I'm worried Whyspr is having a breakdown. Hope ur ok buddy.

[humble verge]

would removing sang for MA be better

[true estuary]

Its intended. Use /stopattack macro with the spell

[waxen oyster]

Why turn off raid buffs

but leave druid mark

[icy mantle]

go trade

[humble verge]

cause i usually do runs with druid

and battleshout from warrior

[grizzled geyser]

I dont wanna do that tho, im scared of that fucking up my autoattacks when im actually infight, costing me dps

when i stopattack on every mut

[fathom cove]

on the assa side, did you test dropping Sanguine Blades vs SBS for Master Assassin?

[humble verge]

is iron wire even worth running

🤨

[real granite]

go /stopattack only with ambush, as the other spells doesnt care going out of stealth

[true estuary]

No other way. Mutilate is intended to be used out if stealth

[true estuary]

I mean in combat, not out of stealth, to be technical