assassination

[thorn fjord]

[limber lion]

I'm conflicted

[coral ibex]

lol same

i swiped for my bruto and 2 tokens

[limber lion]

If only I played the game more and still boosted

Smgh

[real granite]

it reached 450k in EU

[thorn fjord]

That gold will be there whenever you decide to come back

DO THE THING

[proven belfry]

anyone playing mechagnome as assa?

[merry bison]

Do ya‘ll also have a hard time to get into any +12 pugs?

[limber lion]

I mean I already have

But I just don't play a lot

[thorn fjord]

Im sitting on 70k

[limber lion]

But yeah conflicted on whether to swipe for the bruto or not

idk if I really need it

[thorn fjord]

So two should suffice the rest of this tier LOL

[limber lion]

but the fomo thoutgh

[thorn fjord]

ANNIVERSARY

lolol

I chawked it up to it being a collectible

[coral ibex]

apparently my sell price locked in higher than current?

W

[rotund oak]

🫶

[cobalt sphinx]

is there a way to modify the smart tricks weakaura to use it with shadowstep instead

i guess it'd be copying the entire weakaura and changing the spell on every line

[limber lion]

Pretty much

[midnight mist]

Blizz nerfed shaman poison dispell totem, arakara and siege arent doable anymore without another spec that can poison dispell, which is either boomie or aug, no one plays boomie, and aug is unplayable with outlaw, so i might be forced to go assa if we ends up playing aug cause cant find a boomie

[proven jasper]

What happened to u playing sub

I thought that was the move

[cobalt sphinx]

what about aug is bad with outlaw

[proven jasper]

Outlaw sucks with aug they have

[merry bison]

It‘s useless with law

[tacit otter]

Bought mine at 443k, actually surprised it drop so fast

[midnight mist]

no thats different

i swap sub for 2 bosses

[coral ibex]

this is NA

[proven jasper]

Oh oh

i see

[cobalt sphinx]

if banshers can make fury outlaw sv work then you can make outlaw aug work

[midnight mist]

cause i cant do them as outlaw

mist first boss

and nw third boss

its similar to fall last boss in df

[proven jasper]

Sub god tier on mists first boss

fr

[fresh kelp]

that comp actually has synergy tho, and a 2nd poison dispel in the bear

[tacit otter]

Nvm im

[proven belfry]

ANY MECHAGNOMES HERE

[rotund oak]

yeah

sup

[midnight mist]

well tbf keys are starting to be a bit high now

sure i can make it work for 15s maybe

but we are talking more about 16s now

we timed the 15 most of them

i highly respect wox team tho

playing that comp

its my dream

but i also dont want to troll the people i play with too much

if they feel we cant play anymroe well

what can i do

also seem like wox team is doing sham + druid tank now

which is enough dispell compared to the comp we run

[proven jasper]

Sham too op

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/we-will-be-in-therapy-without-you-gif-18360578

[hoary scroll]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[midnight mist]

and i mean doesnt mw have poison dispell aswell

[molten flicker]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[coral ibex]

did they rollback the triple outlaw keys from yesterday

[cobalt sphinx]

does fdk still do damage

[pseudo cosmos]

ye i just looked

[coral ibex]

i dont see them on raider io so i assume so

[stray adder]

man people have too much free time

[rotund oak]

i mean what if he did

[limber lion]

Coding a website like that takes like 10 minutes for an experienced coder

[thin gyro]

I am in the process of switching to Deathstalker. I am finding that from stealth, somehow, I keep casting mutilate instead of ambush. Thus missing the initial deathstalker buff. This does not happen on a target dummy. Has anyone experienced this?

[rotund oak]

tell him ill pay the lawyer

[stray adder]

lmao

[high phoenix]

Any of these trinkets or daggers from the BRD event worth picking up?

[limber lion]

That shouldn't happen because Mutilate automatically changes to Ambush. Are you sure you're not using a macro that messes it up?

[thin plinth]

guys how much are kingsbanes max stacks

[limber lion]

If you just bind the normal Mutilate on the button, it should work fine everywhere.

[rotund oak]

50

[limber lion]

Used to be 99, nowadays 50.

Back in Legion you were lucky to hit 30+

[thin gyro]

Yep, using the normal mutilate button, it shows the "ambush" icon when stealthed, will cast mutilate instead. When I try it on a dummy, it works as expected.

[thin plinth]

How do i know how many stacks im at

[limber lion]

You get a buff.

[storm forum]

It's in a buff on you now iirc.

[limber lion]

It really doesn't matter at all

[novel star]

you could be losing stealth to something right before you ambush

[limber lion]

And not something you need or should track.

[novel star]

assuming they’re on the same keybind

[solar orbit]

Does normal gameplay align supercharger with DN?

[limber lion]

Sure

You don't really play around it

[solar orbit]

Or do we have to delay shiv for DN?

[limber lion]

It might just happen if it does

Nope

Just play normally as you would

[coral ibex]

you dont pay attention to supercharger, just press shiv when you would normally press shiv

enjoy the bonus cp which scales your finishers linearly

[solar orbit]

So our rotation doesn't really change from last patch, right?

[limber lion]

Nope

[coral ibex]

less pooling

more envenoms

[novel star]

doesn’t change except more envenoms

yea

[limber lion]

more of the same

[solar orbit]

I used to wait for the last tick to envenom again, do we just mindlessly spam builders into envenom?

[limber lion]

Yes

Doesn't matter

Don't pool

Just slam

Zoomzoom

[cobalt sphinx]

make sure you play with sound on

so you can get pissed off when you hear the "glug" sound of drinking your tea out of cooldowns

[blazing slate]

would anyone look at one of my logs and let me know what im doing wrong?

[grizzled ember]

You need to attack the boss

[last vessel]

If you're sitting on 6 combo points and darkest night is up do you mutilate to get the 1 combo point or do you envenom at 6 and try again next set?

[coral ibex]

mutilate to 7

DN is a cooldown you want to consume ASAP

[thorn fjord]

DN ain’t gonna CD themselves

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you need DN up for all the nodes on the hero tree to work

[hollow river]

are you guys not running Supercharger in pve?

[thorn fjord]

We are in raid

[cobalt sphinx]

it's good in raid, i think people have been trying subter in keys

[hollow river]

kk just curious

[quasi ingot]

better to have a WA tracker for DN?

[thorn fjord]

There’s a supercharger build and a subterfuge build for keys currently

[coral ibex]

im running subt in raid, dont care

[hollow river]

you can send lower combo point finishers to consume DN now with Supercharger - no idea if that matters for y'all

[cobalt sphinx]

you definitely need to be tracking dsm and dn at all times for deathstalker yeah

[thorn fjord]

Yee it was a nice fix

[warm vortex]

Anyone know easiest delve to do this week

to speed through

[feral wasp]

is ethereal cloak still bugged ? Ie. its dps increase ?

[coral ibex]

no

flensing is gone

[void sonnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel horizon]

Anyone messed with hand of justice? I have a 606 one, was gonna replace my 593 sacbrood with it

[warm vortex]

Also was shadow binding knife nerfed
also it feels weird not running subterfuge now
So far ive had more succsess with TTK and scoundrel

with subterfuge

[quasi stump]

Have the deathstalker bugs been fixed yet

[molten flicker]

!sim

[heavy canopy]

How come I'm consistently top DPS but lowest parse % - is assassination rogue just that OP? In M+ btw

[hushed elbow]

no, probably just a slow group

[grim jay]

have you read the pins yet

[grim jay]

noone cares about m+ logs tbh

[hushed elbow]

if you're completing the key who cares

[heavy canopy]

I mean, I agree, but my parses have always been shit, both in M+ and in raid, even though I'm doing the most damage

[molten flicker]

so play with good group

[heavy canopy]

My current guild uses parse % in raids, for example, to give out gear

[grim jay]

thats pretty stupid

ngl

[hushed elbow]

yeah, that would mean that more meta classes are less likely to get gear

[grim jay]

especially since even the best player in your group still relies on the others to parse

[hushed elbow]

sin is a fotm meta class in raid rn

[torpid sparrow]

are ppl really playing almost a single target build in mm+ over 12-13 or is my raider io bugged when linking spe?

[quasi stump]

Ty tho

[grim jay]

raider io isnt always consistent with what they actually use for m+

[heavy canopy]

I just started playing this expansion and chose sin rogue for flavor, but apparently so did everyone else 😩

[grim jay]

not saying that some weird misled people might play some st build

[grim jay]

its kinda the opposite

[molten flicker]

how did it taste

[grim jay]

sin had only a few logs on wednesday for example

like 1900

which makes it harder to parse

[heavy canopy]

Everything tastes salty now

Probably the tears

[grim jay]

than if there were 8k

[arctic socket]

I excepted more logs on rash

And princess

[hushed elbow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

idk how many people currently are at what point

but rash for example had 1.9k wednesday

[hushed elbow]

luxthos's group looks good for tracking, do people like it

[grim jay]

I dont

way too much stuff going on

I use whispyrs afenar edit

[heavy canopy]

Sikran so far is my best boss as sin

[arctic socket]

Mythic or heroic?

[heavy canopy]

Heroic

[hushed elbow]

yeah ive never used WAs for tracking but with MA being meta now I kind of need it

[arctic socket]

Oh well heroic logs don’t matter

[grim jay]

LE's group has an isolated KB bar

[arctic socket]

Sounds like you need a new group

[heavy canopy]

get gapped (me on top ofc) (but low parse 😦 )

[grim jay]

with timings on shiv and ma

[iron mist]

best talent for m+?

[heavy canopy]

Check Wowhead guide, pinned in this channel

[pale socket]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[hushed elbow]

does whispyrs? theres no photos or descriptions on wagio

[arctic socket]

Heroic you say

[warm vortex]

Tbh i have a lot of fights where i either top dps or top 3 dps and think
"Oh i did good" and parse says i did shit

[heavy canopy]

Fuck you

[grim jay]

no iirc, I pulled mine out of LEs

[warm vortex]

Mine are meh ish

[heavy canopy]

I see your 99 parses and counter with this 😎

[arctic socket]

Oh you bad bad

[ocean ferry]

anyone can help me improve my ST dps? i energy starve so much

i guess i just suck on assa ST

[arctic socket]

Not a single orange or pink

[pseudo cosmos]

ok now lets compare ilvl

[arctic socket]

My ilvl is 631

Yours?

[pseudo cosmos]

exactly

[warm vortex]

Im around 626ish

[heavy canopy]

626 😦

[warm vortex]

So i should be doing a bit higher

[pseudo cosmos]

no one cares for 630+ heroic parses

u should be in mythic

[real pike]

shit is this mythic

[arctic socket]

I am in mythic

[tired gull]

i have to cope with ilvl parses

[warm vortex]

Heroic

not mythic

[heavy canopy]

I don't think I'm that bad, just fucking started playing

[warm vortex]

hahah

[arctic socket]

My mythic parses are Doodoo

Like rly bad

[warm vortex]

My mythic parses are dog ass because ive only pugged first 2

[real pike]

did you get those ages ago? I have higher parses but way lower ranks

[real pike]

I'll show mine if you show yours 😏

[warm vortex]

Yea a bit ago

[hushed elbow]

i have better parses on mythic than heroic

heroic stuff just dies way too quick to pad

[arctic socket]

;)))

[jade abyss]

I have no parses in Raid o:

[arctic socket]

That’s what we have public atm

[real pike]

ooh baby

[astral pivot]

Yo guys, any recommended videos guides for assassination 11.0.5 specifically?

[warm vortex]

Mine are so much worse

[molten flicker]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/31545033?zone=17#zone=13

xd

[hushed elbow]

mythic lol

[warm vortex]

i dont even wanna SHOW my mythic ones

they are so bad

[tired gull]

ilvl vs not

[real pike]

as promised

no ovinax kill cause I succ

[warm vortex]

Tbf

[arctic socket]

Yeah my logs are horrible

[warm vortex]

im just happy i enjoy playing

and do good dps in raid

Compared to the other people

[arctic socket]

But I’m top dps in the group

[warm vortex]

just chillin w the homies in vc and gamin

and thats what matters in the end
(totally not the biggest cope of my life)

[real pike]

yeah I just bloody love raiding tbh

[warm vortex]

Yuh

[real pike]

nothing else in gaming like it

[warm vortex]

True

[arctic socket]

The thing that matters in this game is getting big loot upgrades

One day I will get that funny cloak and necklace

[real pike]

this looks like someone that gets the good timing group on bloodbound lmao

[arctic socket]

And the brood ring

On mythic

[warm vortex]

and tbh
if im doing good enough damage to be good in the group
im happy

And also having no pre wipe deaths the entire raid night then the first non wipe death being on the kill

[real pike]

I'm always in the bad timing group grr

[royal python]

is there a WA to track KB ramp ?

[arctic socket]

There wasn’t a single pull we have killed where I haven’t been trolled by webs on rash

[real pike]

this is me but sikran charges

he actually hates me

[arctic socket]

And I woulda done MIlES better on first boss if I didn’t double jump into webs

😂

[warm vortex]

Im in the better group for queen
the other has a tank that cant grab aggro on the two ads on first platfrm

[arctic socket]

I like to cloak step to someone when I have one

[warm vortex]

like 2 peopl died to aggro on first kill even giving her 4 seconds

[arctic socket]

Make the healers press button

[hushed elbow]

weirdly enough, this is because me + a monk went on strike squad

[real pike]

lmfao

[hushed elbow]

so i got to cleave 1 summoner add the entire time

[latent crystal]

Just tricks?

[real pike]

yeah when I get to go downstairs in the 1 min group I drop kingsbane on the bigger add and brrrr

but I'm always in the bad group 😦

[severe sparrow]

my mythic ones are not great but my guild is also like... pushing enrange for kills lol

[heavy canopy]

Bro calls me bad, then turns out to suck himself lmao

[wise plover]

does mutilate help ramp KB faster over using FoK ?

[warm vortex]

I aint in that group

[arctic socket]

Have you killed a single mythic boss?

[warm vortex]

And im the only rogue

[hushed elbow]

who are they replacing you with? only like frost DKs should get prio int he first group over us tbh

Also, i dont hold CDs for the down phase at all thats just raw

[arctic socket]

I have killed 5 mythic bosses, and completely dunked on your meme heroic parses ;P

[real pike]

I don't think they care that much, just make sure they have an aoe stun in each and go

[latent crystal]

Yeah but it shouldn't matter what group your in, I would even argue they should swap you to the other side so you can tricks if the tank has aggro issues.

[real pike]

if you're in the good group you don't need to, it lines up perfectly

[cinder pebble]

Is the new "Hand of Justice" BRD-Endboss trinket viable for any rogue spec? O:

[severe sparrow]

is "the good timing group"for bloodbound the first one?

[hushed elbow]

i mean if you're downing the content easily its np

[real pike]

no

[heavy canopy]

Getting carried by your group, you have gray parses bro

I can do that too

[molten flicker]

sim

[sharp hazel]

Is there a bug where Rupture doesnt use a deathstalker mark? I am using over 5 CPs on it

[real pike]

yea it's fully farm atp

[hushed elbow]

im in the first group lol

[heavy canopy]

But I'd be too embarrassed 😦

[warm vortex]

Faris

[real pike]

so I'm not gonna ask to be in the other group cause it's just ego reasons

[arctic socket]

If you only saw the other parses

[real pike]

good at games then I guess idk

[cinder pebble]

Wanted to check Bloodmallet but no sims but yeah maybe add it into top gear and check

[warm vortex]

Tbh i feel like some people just ignore parses and turn off details during raid fight

[hushed elbow]

just like all parsing, its luck lol

[real pike]

I do slightly feel like that

[hushed elbow]

i mean, to a certain extent its skill but to get those last % numbers at the top its definitely luck with procs and damage from your group etc

[coral ibex]

it’s like 10% luck 80% execution 10% correct build

[latent crystal]

Don't forget PI. :^)

[coral ibex]

otherwise the best players wouldn’t consistently be the best

[real pike]

15% concentrated power of will

[hushed elbow]

imagine getting PI

[warm vortex]

It also depends on like group speed and such right?
OR am i dumb

[molten flicker]

yes

[coral ibex]

yes kill time but i consider that execution

by the group

bc speed is basically always king

[warm vortex]

ah ok fair fair

so the better the group the better the parse?

[coral ibex]

typically

[real pike]

massively

[warm vortex]

Ah alright

[real pike]

unless your group sucks at killing pad adds

[latent crystal]

Unless you're a healer then it's inverse.

[coral ibex]

you can get good parses in bad groups but it’s a lot harder

a LOT

[warm vortex]

We have a warrior that melts everything p fast

And we have a few rets that

Lemmie check

[coral ibex]

gl you can’t parse on any add fight

[real pike]

yeah I can't parse on Ulgrax any more cause our ranged melt the adds before they get in melee range

[warm vortex]

On iour queen kill

[molten flicker]

I used to be good raider, have some rank 1 mythic logs from legion but now I'm old

[warm vortex]

we had 7 dps below 700K dps

[latent crystal]

But you want to kill the adds in melee so you have to walk less with the food.

[hushed elbow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real pike]

when I say melt I mean get them low tbf

[latent crystal]

Fair.

[real pike]

can't be dropping a fat kingsbane spatter on a 40m health add

[astral pivot]

Yo guys, any recommended videos guides for assassination 11.0.5 specifically? I want to learn the rotation but I see only 11.0.2 guides

[latent crystal]

But in general if you're at the point where the adds die quickly enough to not cause issues the only relevant metric at that point is boss dmg.

[real pike]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[real pike]

oh bro it's 100% farm the only relevant metric is e-peen length

[warm vortex]

Tbh

ill just atke my parses atm

[latent crystal]

I only play for kills parses is just insecure people stroking their ego.

[warm vortex]

They aint too bad

so i hapy

[real pike]

yes yes hello it's me insecure ego stroker

[astral pivot]

Cant find any video guides here 😦

[ashen fog]

thats a hot take if ive ever seen one

[warm vortex]

Parses are for people who wanna see parses

[inner sluice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[latent crystal]

I mean to a degree parses matter, but anything above purple is just fluff.

As long as you're not holding back your group it's w/e.

[dapper cradle]

[warm vortex]

Yea fair

im purple so idk
that makes me happy

[real pike]

oh specifically video, idk bro but the older videos will still have the core gameplay the same, then check the pins in here for the 11.0.5 updates

[ashen fog]

it's the best way to know if you are progressing or not. If you are nnont progressing, whats the point of playing?

[hollow pier]

Gratz on the new cloak! I'm sure there isnt another item from that dungeon better than that!

[thin plinth]

hi guys, this is at ilvl 620. i dont know what im doing but i have to be doing something wrong. i feel like this is way to low dmg

[warm vortex]

Idk doesnt seem that bad?

[real pike]

some people get enjoyment from trying to be the best they can possibly be, and that's ok, up to different people how they want to play a game right

[thin plinth]

these are the talents

[winged nacelle]

nice talents xd

[real pike]

as long as they're not sabotaging the group by prioritising parses over the boss mechanics etyc

[real pike]

etc*

[royal lantern]

azure is a cool color!

[cinder quartz]

check whispyr's youtube channel, there's an update for 11.0.5

[latent crystal]

Yeah I get that, and that's fine. But parses in general does attract mostly the "I am better than you because my number higher" crowd.

[hollow pier]

Why yo rupture say 13.4% uptime

[cinder quartz]

thats why some ppl private log

[real pike]

I think wow in general does that personally nothing brings me greater joy than downing a boss we've been working towards for a while though

[thin plinth]

idk 😄

how much should it be

[latent crystal]

100%

[thin plinth]

i spam it usually

[real pike]

are you using a wa pack

[thin plinth]

yes

[hollow pier]

It should always be up on ur target

[thin plinth]

im also struggling to burst above 4 mil

[hollow pier]

And the other mobs in the pack until u have like 5 out

[spice spire]

Howdy friends are we normal yet

[coral ibex]

anti parsing jerkers tend to be equally insufferable and also bad at the game

[hollow pier]

Yep for the most part

[spice spire]

Hell yeah

[slim sluice]

Hi new rogue here. Any good nameplates to track my posions for assassination ? I checked wago and a lot of the profiles are too old

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[void pecan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

I like Ceverion personally

But whispyr’s is also very good!

[cinder quartz]

just got into mythic last night and how tf do you even do damage on ulgrax

[slim sluice]

thank you so much !

[hollow pier]

A log is alot easier to go over than just the details break down

[cinder quartz]

add phase sucks and i had like 3 fps

[pseudo cosmos]

you stab him

[spice spire]

Press buttons and have good p2 windows

[hollow pier]

Ulgrax sorta sucks dick as assa imo

[ancient tangle]

why is envenom 12sec when max cp and supercharged ? shouldn't it be 7+2 (supercharged)+ 2 (twist the knife) so 11 ?

[ashen fog]

whats the key lvl?

[spice spire]

Ulgrax is a fight I never got ngl

[thin plinth]

its a 9

[real pike]

Ulgrax I always have to soak the pull as KB is up

[pseudo cosmos]

tbh the extra adds just make it worse

[real pike]

cause I'm bad

[spice spire]

Like timing wise and inconsistency seems fucky

[hollow pier]

My St is always good on him but like I can't hit the adds our warriors and dks just shit on them

[pseudo cosmos]

yea

[hollow pier]

I get 0 damage during the phase

[pseudo cosmos]

walk up to fok and its dead

[real pike]

welcome to the parsing chat, enjoy your stay

[cinder quartz]

ulgrax on 3rd charge

[pseudo cosmos]

[hollow pier]

Yea parses are whatever, someone will usually have a better setup whether it is group comp, pi, or kill time or different strat

[spice spire]

Dog you’re 700k below a class 8 ilvl over you.
Pulls aren’t looking so hot for damooj

I’m sure there’s ways to improve

But this screams mountain of a molehill

[thin plinth]

can you tell me what i should be aiming to improve 😄

[spice spire]

Do you have a log

[real pike]

Rupture

[spice spire]

Otherwise no

[thin plinth]

no...

[spice spire]

Because there’s no world where rupture is only 14% upkeep

So

I need a log

[hollow pier]

Idk how details does uptime on rupture because there's no way it's 14%

[spice spire]

Use your CDs on cd

Keep up dsm

[thin plinth]

"Dog you’re 700k below a class 8 ilvl over you.
Pulls aren’t looking so hot for damooj" what should that mean

😄

[spice spire]

Keep max event stacks

[slim pebble]

Just press your buttons

[spice spire]

That means your pulls also dictate the damage you do

If your tank only pulls 1-2 groups at a time

You’re less likely to pop off and do that insane damage number

[balmy prism]

jesus just hit a 7.5m env crit

[ashen fog]

i dont think its 14%uptime while in combat, it probably for the full duration

[hushed elbow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[real pike]

you would assume behaviour is the same for Gar though

[cinder quartz]

uptime is weird. might count mobs you're in combat with but didn't spread too as well

[hollow pier]

Is it calculating garrote different then because it's a large disparity

[thin plinth]

ok im gonna try better now

[cinder quartz]

should still have pretty equal uptime

[hollow pier]

And it really shouldn't be that far off

[ashen fog]

true

[ashen fog]

On large pack do you garrote and rupture multiple time on opener?

[void sonnet]

why is the LE WA tellihng me to vanish early in my kingsbane?

reapply deathstalker??

[spice spire]

@slate crown

[real pike]

Is it telling you to Vanish or just showing it coming off CD

[thin plinth]

i do 2x garrote and rupture

[hollow pier]

1st place I always start is wowhead guide, then if I don't improve reread it and make sure I'm doing it right

[void sonnet]

like it has the "shiv" part in bar

but vanish is well before shiv

i used to vanish + shiv + tea

[slate crown]

Do you have

subterfuge?

[void sonnet]

yes

[slate crown]

Well

That makes master assassin longer

shiv is at 7 seconds

[void sonnet]

IS THAT WHY i was so confused why ppl takming sbu

[spice spire]

God what a goat

[void sonnet]

ok that makes much more sense

[slate crown]

ayeoayeoayeo

[spice spire]

Immediate diagnosis

[void sonnet]

ty for explaining

[slate crown]

🫡

[pseudo cosmos]

doctor

[spice spire]

Lisonna Esconced PhD

[hushed elbow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[void sonnet]

also what spell after vanish? ambush if deathstalker making me refresh w/ darkness? early garrote?

obv prolly just envenom if capped

[real pike]

on that note, is the DN > Vanish > Ambush interaction fixed? can we double up again?

can't tell from the pin

[ashen fog]

thats the first thing i would test, you want to apply both to most/all mobs int he pack

[hollow pier]

Normal rotation until pandemic on garrote

So still normal rotation

[ionic fox]

When are these double outlaw rogue runs going to drop off raider io?

[warm vortex]

Is this ok damage for a NW 10

[hollow pier]

U said ur 626?

[warm vortex]

Yea

[hollow pier]

Yea that's fine

[pseudo cosmos]

expected more from the enh tbh

[warm vortex]

Tbg

[void sonnet]

so we purely using vanish fro MA

[warm vortex]

Tank did a super weird first pull

killing the enhance 4 times

[hollow pier]

Every enh and ele has let me down

[warm vortex]

and most other people

a few times

[vestal copper]

How do you guys go about tracking the target with your deathmark when you’re spreading bleeds in the beginning of a pull? Usually my focus macro has a kick target in it so setting the deathmarked target as focus isnt an option.

[warm vortex]

He pulled double gate

[balmy prism]

enha is hard to play now without griefing

[coral ibex]

why are you spreading bleeds during deathmark

[hollow pier]

Yea if u can make ur kb have all of ma its sorta nasty, and ofc the improved garrote

[coral ibex]

or do you mean the hero talent mark

[warm vortex]

We also had a hidden 6th plaer

Idk why the fuck he is there

[vestal copper]

hero talent

[dim mural]

Why would you switch away from your main target?

[warm vortex]

I went into a delve then left caues i changed my mind

and he appeared

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah just don't swap target

[coral ibex]

there's a plater mod to recolor your marked target

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow pier]

Single target that is, in keys if u get a chain with no restealth into big back u can vanish for IC

[coral ibex]

in whispyr's plater

[slim pebble]

Really depends on your pulls.
This was mine but he tank was zooming

[vestal copper]

Thanks a ton

[real pike]

you should spread bleeds and then go into cooldown sequence after

[hollow pier]

U technically lose a few dots when applying them all to main target depending on pull size

[warm vortex]

Also

[hollow pier]

I don't believe it makes that large of a difference though

[warm vortex]

ik this is kinda low achivement for here

but i did this today and i happy

Pugging a NW 10 was horrid

I did it with a dps friend tho

[hushed elbow]

thats all that matters dude

[real pike]

Gz bud good job

[warm vortex]

had like 8 failed runs

because people left

[faint vessel]

noice

[warm vortex]

had one where dps died 12 time sto tank flipping the cleave mob

[hollow pier]

Bro I've been fine pugging whatever besides city of threads

[faint vessel]

CoT is a dead key

[coral ibex]

im tilted just thinking about it

[warm vortex]

In CoT i had my most "pug mythic" run

ever

tank dies within one minute
hunter calls him a slur
healer leaves

[hollow pier]

By far my least favorite key in recent years

[slim pebble]

Hell yeah gamer

[spice spire]

Who cares if it’s an achievement for you and makes you happy celebrate it homie

Don’t let others steal your joy

[warm vortex]

Yuh!

[pseudo cosmos]

yea and all the tanks picking up the tech of pulling the 2nd pack into the big boyo at the stairs

[latent badger]

puts you in the top 10% of rio havers now!

[pseudo cosmos]

without saying anything

[warm vortex]

imma tty some 11 and 12s soon too!
and also like

[spice spire]

You got it big dog

[warm vortex]

2.5K on my balance
MAYBE arms but idk, i feel like peopel wont inv an arns

[spice spire]

I believe in you

[warm vortex]

yeye

[slim pebble]

Comparison is a thief of joy is what I apply to a lot of life now

[hollow pier]

It really isn't super bad if u can aoe cc and have the buff which we all should

[dim mural]

Sure, but don't think it's worth to lose MT and fumble around to find it etc.

[warm vortex]

Cheers :D
I just gotta be smart, and use everything i got

[spice spire]

The only time I genuinely feel bad is when I compare our cat situations

[warm vortex]

Ive also been having a lot of fun with a sub TTK scoundrel build

[slim pebble]

Also fair I wanna pet George

[pseudo cosmos]

yea its not a bad pull but just doing it without a word is like bruh as people normally BL this

[spice spire]

Real

[warm vortex]

I do miss SBS a bit, but with how long im in stealth that's more than long enough to set up my rups

[spice spire]

He’s such a goofy guy

[hollow pier]

Yea I agree, if u cant get back to ur DSM target easily then just send them into it, just a reason some people do swap is all 🙂

[slim pebble]

Luna asked to be pet and then attac today so you can have her on a custody agreement

[spice spire]

Heading to Kansas now

[cobalt sphinx]

rupturing the dsm target also cycles dsm

garrote obv you gain a tiny little bit of damage with a mouseover garrote onto a target without it

[warm vortex]

Also
random bug
anyone have the third boss of GB just

refuse to lose stacks in phase one

of ds mark

[spice spire]

I’ve not had that issue

[slim pebble]

I haven’t been in GB since I looted my grace so I would have to play test

[warm vortex]

Fair

[grizzled ember]

^same

[warm vortex]

i love gb

doing it a shiz ton just made me know it

[spice spire]

I also enjoy GB

[pseudo cosmos]

i hate gb cause no skardins

[spice spire]

Even if I suck at it from lack of reps

[warm vortex]

Also ive said it a million times, and i will say it again

[grizzled ember]

Did it 55 times for grace, need a long break.

[warm vortex]

what sort of name is throngus

[thorn fjord]

I loathe my GB prison

[slim pebble]

The other rogue in my guild went Dracthyr with me on Tuesday and for some reason his visage is bugged and is healing IN combat

[pseudo cosmos]

a name that gets whipped if he no finish

[warm vortex]

Truee

It also gave me a good soundfile to send to someone when they ask me to play wow during uni

[spice spire]

Looks inside treasure chest at the end of GB
No Loot

[turbid canopy]

assas struggle ST or am i just bad?

[hushed elbow]

bad

[pseudo cosmos]

everytime

[warm vortex]

running out of energy?

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/you-might-wanna-sit-down-for-this-big-news-spill-the-tea-drama-tell-you-gif-14535597

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

[spice spire]

It shouldn’t struggle too bad

[cobalt sphinx]

dungeon build loses a lot of st

[turbid canopy]

ye energy

issue

In keys

[slim pebble]

Not the chat for it, but if you’re an energy drink enjoyer have you tried the new Red Bull flavor

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah st isn't very fun on the dungeon builds

[spice spire]

I’ve not - I’ve been on a monster rehab kick lately to offset the creatine cramps

[slim pebble]

It’s like a vanilla blue frostie flavor. It’s delicious

[hollow pier]

With ttk is definitely feels better imo

[slim pebble]

I’m not a fan of the subterfuge build for m+ but it did feel really strong on bosses

[balmy prism]

I wanna know how the fuck whispyr hits 1.8m st on rash heroic lol

without any PIs

oh wait that was mythic nvm

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s mythic

[hollow pier]

I haven't done a ton of keys this week but in mists, siege and cot it has felt good so far

[spice spire]

Also not all st

They added adds back this week

[balmy prism]

oh

lol why

[spice spire]

Will try it out

[zealous tundra]

yo, is this any good for fatebound?

[fallen narwhal]

Guys quick question, on Single Target with Mythic+ build is it normal that we have times where we dont have enough energy to always keep pressing? or am i doing something wrong?

[keen marsh]

normal

[oblique sorrel]

Seems normal

[keen marsh]

especially with m+ build

you starve on st build as well unless you get infinite amount of ambush procs

[fallen narwhal]

Gotcha

[hollow pier]

Or you get to snipe mobs with rupture

[fallen narwhal]

Yeah that one i know i was simply asking on single targets without mobs around

i was confused didnt know if it was normal or not

[hollow pier]

Yea it's bound to happen eventually

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fallen narwhal]

and i remember seeing Casualaddict guy doing M+ and on Ara kara last boss he wasnt running out of energy

[balmy prism]

rupture the blobs

[fallen narwhal]

was it because he was probably rupturing the small mobs?

ohhh

[balmy prism]

= free energy

[fallen narwhal]

AHHHH

[spice surge]

Its not worth if they die immediately

[balmy prism]

I mean

[spice surge]

They need to live for a bit

[balmy prism]

sure, but in a 13-14 they'll live for a bit

[charred helm]

wdym? you get a ton energy back instantly?

[spice surge]

Otherwise you end up spending 7 CP for energy that you then need to spend to build back up to 7cp

When you couldve just envenomed to begin with

[fallen narwhal]

well rn im only doing Mythics 4 with my friends and i am undergeared, it just felt weired because i didnt know if i just completly sucked ( wich is probably a part of it) or if its intended

[spice surge]

Yes but it doesnt do damage

[fallen narwhal]

thank you guys for letting me know

[dapper halo]

very meowdy

[spice spire]

[balmy prism]

why on earth would you 7 cp the blobs

[coral ibex]

you are spending the energy and combo points of a rupture to do no damage, just gain energy

[spice surge]

Well it doesnt matter what CP it is really

[balmy prism]

surely there's a breakpoint where it becomes efficient?

[charred helm]

and then you spend that energy hitting the boss

instead of afking

[balmy prism]

right, but if I 1 cp them and I they live for the entirety of that rupture, it would be worth it?

[spice surge]

The energy refund scales with CP spent

[coral ibex]

bro you could have spent the energy and combo points from the rupture on an envenom on the boss instead

[spice surge]

Well no because you dont want to use 1 CP ruptures abyway

[keen marsh]

theres also scent of blood

[coral ibex]

get 2 stacks -> mob dies -> 1 stack

not much going on there

[balmy prism]

Oh, vw tooltip says nothing about scaling with amount of dmg, didn't know

[hollow moss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Whispyr's Plater

[charred helm]

it scales with rupture duration

[balmy prism]

I mean, only as long as the target lives right? I.e a 7 cp rupture and a 1 cp rupture gives the same 8 energy per tick?

nvm I'm being dumb

I yield

[charred helm]

per tick yes, but it gives more if it dies

[balmy prism]

yeah and I just re-read what eleem said earlier and it makes sense

[meager granite]

With ttk talented in ST should you look to keep double envenom buffs at all times outside of KB window?

[coral ibex]

maintain as high an uptime on envenom as possible including stacks

[subtle cipher]

619 shadowbinding simmin hihgher than a 626 spyglass wtf

[spice spire]

Yeah knife is very good

[drowsy snow]

!shiv

[grizzled ember]

I need to farm out a shadowbinding, i've been lazy

[spice spire]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

What is there to farm

[strange python]

halp - i can make crafted 636 - what would you do?

[spice spire]

You do 8 delves

Maybe it’s in vault

[strange python]

2nd dagger or belt?

[spice spire]

Second embellishment

Belt

Offhand does nothing

[real pike]

definitely not second dagger

[strange python]

is 2nd dagger bad?

[grizzled ember]

The farming, is the act of doing a single delve for me.

[spice spire]

I see

[real pike]

yea it's just useless

[spice spire]

It’s just a stat piece

[strange python]

oh thank god i asked

thank you i will do belt

[spice spire]

With lower stat allocation than most things

[real pike]

there's an argument for ring imo

as if you get one in raid/vault it's not annoying

and they have more competition

[faint vessel]

Can you still recraft cheese ring ilvl?

[strange python]

maybe ill try for the heroic queen ring before i craft

[grizzled ember]

Our guild hasn't seen 1 Queen ring, super sad.

[faint vessel]

I did that a couple weeks ago to gap ilvl on 2nd ring slot and save crests

[hollow pier]

U can also do the recraft cheese

[real pike]

I mean u have 2 ring slots so it would be fine

surely you have shit tons of sparks though? what's your bottleneck?

[hushed elbow]

isnt dagger good in raid for ascendance?

[real pike]

he already has onwe

so just get the embellish that doubles up

[hushed elbow]

im dumb

[real pike]

same buddy same

[hushed elbow]

do we ever replace the offhand dagger?

[real pike]

when you get 2 mythic drops yeah

[hushed elbow]

word

[iron carbon]

If you don't raid double MM track yeah

And double crit embellish

[hushed elbow]

next dagger that drops in raid is my second mythic track dagger, i just dont have slots for embellishments tbh

i can make a ring and belt ig

will crit embellishment be better than a 639 equivalent?

[iron carbon]

Yes

[hushed elbow]

i guess i should just sim it for the uptime %

[iron carbon]

But on low main stats slot

Like wrist, boots or waist

[hushed elbow]

yeah, unfortunately i have a 639 cloak and wrists already

[iron carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hushed elbow]

waist is double nerubian so i can recraft that

[faint vessel]

Sounds like a belt angle

[hushed elbow]

yeh, then second one on ring?

[iron carbon]

Just wrist/belt

[faint vessel]

Can’t dawnthread ring

[iron carbon]

Or ring if you don't have good ring

[faint vessel]

Lens I guess?

[hushed elbow]

dang okay

[iron carbon]

Right, forgot that part

[hushed elbow]

yeah maybe lens

[cerulean maple]

@balmy condor or anyone who knows ab weakauras, is there a way to make kingsbane go back to the bottom bar / make the row smaller?

[faint vessel]

You’re saying with 2x mythic daggers, right?

[hushed elbow]

well, i have crafted dagger rn

[coral ibex]

insane to ping for that

[solar orbit]

How does this play in M+ ST?

[hushed elbow]

next dagger drops in raid is up for grabs

[strange python]

i wasted a spark on an int dagger early on

[solar orbit]

we pool in those instances?

[hushed elbow]

this uses crafted dagger for ST

[faint vessel]

Eh figure it out when that happens then, sim lens on ring in meantime

If you’re curious/planning

[iron carbon]

That's what I said

[cerulean maple]

nvm figured it out

[iron carbon]

"If you don't raid"

[hushed elbow]

oh so if you do raid dagger w/ ascendance is bis?

[warm vortex]

Does this dps breakdown look correct

Running scoundrel TTK sub

[iron carbon]

Imo, yes

[hushed elbow]

ill do some sims but this is a good start

thanks y'all

[warm vortex]

Highest envenom crit was said to be 11 mil

juicy

[coral ibex]

more envenom more spatter

[warm vortex]

yeye

i was slacking at some points with that

[iron carbon]

And, strange thing, radiant enchant on weap sim higher than depth one on st

[coral ibex]

how is garrote above CT

[brittle quail]

idk how garrote is above envenom with ttk but othwise seems pretty ok

[warm vortex]

Cause im dumb

[hushed elbow]

how the fuck did you hit a 11m

[warm vortex]

Idk

[iron carbon]

I saw a 17 M yesterday

[brittle quail]

supercharver shiv darkest night

[warm vortex]

I assume this means 11Mil

i don't have supercharge

[hushed elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[brittle quail]

mmmh

[solar orbit]

saw a guy critting for 16M

[coral ibex]

oh its a mists

probably an amp phase

[hushed elbow]

oh lmao

[warm vortex]

Oh yea true

[brittle quail]

yeah this

[hushed elbow]

i was gonna say, i havent gone above 6M

[faint vessel]

lol yeah I was about to pull my raid logs

[coral ibex]

this is what my breakdowns look like

[faint vessel]

That didn’t sound right

[solar orbit]

do we spam builders into envenom in M+ as well?

[coral ibex]

playing subt/ttk/ma

[iron carbon]

What else?

[solar orbit]

Well, since we don't use TTK in M+

[coral ibex]

how else would you do damage

i do

[warm vortex]

Tbh i just need to clean up my gameplay

[brittle quail]

we can actually

[coral ibex]

this is my m+ build

[warm vortex]

Like i feel like soemtimes i let splatter drop

And also
I set up my bleeds then splatter right

after setting them all up

[coral ibex]

yes

but never let spatter drop after opener

[solar orbit]

I meant that we don't pool anymore

[iron carbon]

You can abit before KB

[coral ibex]

literally always have spatter up, its your biggest single source of aoe damage

[iron carbon]

But no, you have too much energy generation with bleeds

[warm vortex]

Yea

i also sometimes
somehow
forget CT

[solar orbit]

Oh, you dropped sudden demise huh

[warm vortex]

somehow

so its 100% a me thing

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i feel like spatter should be 16-22%

[coral ibex]

oh you dont play with weakauras right

[warm vortex]

No

[cobalt sphinx]

holy

[iron carbon]

Weirdo

[coral ibex]

yea theres a lot to track

[warm vortex]

I only have a WA to track the FoK procs

[solar orbit]

Only on aoe, what do you do on packs if you're not using TTK? it should be pooling as normal, right?

[cobalt sphinx]

vegan dps

[coral ibex]

no

you spam envenoms

[iron carbon]

Yes and no

Never go over 150

[coral ibex]

upkeep bleeds, otherwise send envenoms into your spatter target

[solar orbit]

again, that's for packs

[coral ibex]

this is not true at all in aoe

[warm vortex]

So yea

[brittle quail]

yeah its better the higher key level you go relative to your gear

[solar orbit]

What do you do in ST

[warm vortex]

i need to start keeping better tarck of splatter

[iron carbon]

He speaking about st

[coral ibex]

he's answering about ST to an AOE question

[iron carbon]

No, aoe into St ahaha

[short comet]

Sb is dope screw sbs now and just spending that global on fok for the other ruptures

[drowsy snow]

thanks. i guess this macro just doesn't work for me.

[solar orbit]

I'm asking M+ bosses, not having TTK and spamming builders into envenom means at some point we're out of energy, right?

[icy mantle]

biss

[solar orbit]

So we drop envenom buff at that point in time

[iron carbon]

Yes, in ST without trk, you don't spam

[spice spire]

He’s

[coral ibex]

you just asked about packs

[spice spire]

Yes

[coral ibex]

im so confused

[solar orbit]

I'm stupid, I meant bosses

[iron carbon]

Sentence was not clear

But I understood anyway

[iron carbon]

You pool to 150 zhen you can't keep emvenom up

And you never go more than 150

[solar orbit]

okay, thanks

[iron carbon]

<150, you press emvenom in pandemic

[kindred hinge]

You can take TTK, you can also not take it, it does not change much outside og the lsight change in gameplay

[warm vortex]

But yea

i might try using WAs at some point

[solar orbit]

i assumed that when taking TTK, we spam builders into envenoms without taking into account our energy, like raids do, but when you don't, that's not feasible because you drop envenom buff if you do that

[kindred hinge]

Difference in the m+ are minimal, so play what gameplay you like

[modest nexus]

whats changes?

[warm vortex]

Im rlly happy with my dps tho
While ther eis still a lot to improve on

Im doing ok :D

[brittle quail]

yep i love ttk but currently doing low key to gear up some guildies and its kind of bad in low key but ill definetely play it when pushing

[solar orbit]

What do you guys consider a low key?

[deep abyss]

hi im new to assa and was wondering if this breakdown was "normal" in M+ bc i feel like envenom should be higher but i feel like im spending it p frequently

[kindred hinge]

Key dependent tbh, leys that require more ST I would take it, keys with more aoe not etc but again it is minimal, for my sims it is like a 2% change in aoe/ st depending

[drowsy snow]

spatter should be higher

[thorn fjord]

Think im going to start streaming

[solar orbit]

unless shit dies before caustic can ramp

[deep abyss]

yes im running 8s with ppl more geared

[brittle quail]

yeah your right but ill probably try it in all key and adjust on what feels right

[coral ibex]

envenom and spatter are so low that without seeing gameplay its hard to say exactly what you're doing wrong other than not apply spatter and not attacking your spatter target

caustic spatter should be your #1 damage source by far

[deep abyss]

if the target im hitting dies too fast then those #s would be lower, right?

[coral ibex]

you should be choosing the highest hp mob generally as your prio target to spatter off

[exotic pulsar]

Do you mouse over or tab to multidot and stuff?

[kindred hinge]

If the target die instant then there is no point trying to see your breakdown at the moment

[warm vortex]

Tbh ijust need to get my uptime burried into my head

[coral ibex]

like when you say "8's with ppl who are geared" are they like

[kindred hinge]

Do it on dummies and post it

[deep abyss]

well yes always choose the biggest mob after dotting up

[coral ibex]

635 or something

[deep abyss]

im 610 and theyre 627+

[coral ibex]

lol ok yea i guess thats tough but also you should focus on getting spatter up more quickly

[exotic pulsar]

Stop using tab Target and use mouse overs. If you're tabbing to everything you want to bleed or whatever then that spatter damage you're not getting

[coral ibex]

you only need 5 ruptures out

so pressing it twice with carnage

[cobalt sphinx]

IC spreads all the bleeds you need

[kindred hinge]

Try it on dummies and then put your breakdown. That would be more indicative than a low key with no ramp time

[cerulean maple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[unborn lion]

whats IC

[coral ibex]

indiscriminate carnage

[warm vortex]

when are we getting discriminate carnage
all bleeds are aoe out of stealth

kek

[kindred hinge]

!ic

Nope can't remember thhe prompt every time 😦

[agile wedge]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[runic hinge]

feet cam?

[thorn fjord]

Rogue floor POV cam

[agile wedge]

how do i open the log posting thingy again?

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[spice spire]

Just post

I’ll thread

[thorn fjord]

Would you watch my stream? 👀

[spice spire]

Depends on time

[agile wedge]

thanks! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nW1qAGBydvLMtfRQ#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=17 i fucked up second vanish, but i dont think thats the only reason i parse blue. its a pug though

[spice spire]

But probably

[thorn fjord]

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[young sluice]

anyone have tips on opening in an aoe fight not from stealth? Would we first want to get caustic spatter, CT, and everything up before going for more ruptures?

[olive shore]

When people talk about shiv uptime, what do they mean? Its not a buff and i don't see a duration anywhere

[coral ibex]

ruptures -> CT -> spatter

you want scent stacks before sending CT and spattering

[young sluice]

ahh okay that makes sense

[coral ibex]

it kinda feels bad bc omg so many gcds to apply ruptures

but its worth

[young sluice]

right I struggle with that part when doing chain pulls

[hollow lichen]

we are running subterfuge because of master assassin right? because I see builds using subterfuge without MA

[coral ibex]

subt with no ma is cooked

[runic hinge]

it's a debuff on the enemy that lasts 8 seconds

you want it to cover your whole KB or the last 8 seconds if you're playing 1 shiv

[olive shore]

Thanks. Guide says to use shiv before kb. So I would cover the first 8 i guess?

[hushed elbow]

this is only if you are running double shiv.

[crimson zephyr]

In AoE Crimson Tempest and Caustic Spatter are also timed debuffs that need to be tracked

Do they mean the haste buff?

[hushed elbow]

KB is like 14 seconds

so you can shiv before and then shiv when it falls off to cover the full 14s

[olive shore]

I only have one in my build

[hushed elbow]

then do not pre-shiv

[coral ibex]

shiv the end of kingsbane because it ramps

[olive shore]

So kb > shiv ? Okay

[hushed elbow]

no

[olive shore]

Thanks

[cerulean maple]

are any of our stats worth less now than before? i sim lower ST now than pre patch

[topaz horizon]

Both are Dots

[crimson zephyr]

if I put bleeds on my target and AFTER put deathmark, does it still apply to the existing dots?

[coral ibex]

sorry i mean the second half by "the end" of kingsbane

[spice spire]

Shiv into kb

And then when first shiv

[coral ibex]

he's asking about one shiv

[spice spire]

Oh

End of kb

[olive shore]

Only have 1

[spice spire]

I see

Last 8s of kingsbane

[crimson zephyr]

ah the dot, why do I have to track the aoe dot from tempest?

[spice spire]

If you have whispyr’s Weak aura

[coral ibex]

you want shiv to fall off when kingsbane falls of

[spice spire]

It glows

[olive shore]

Okay thanks. Ican learn that. Thx all

[cerulean maple]

any1 ?

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[bronze flicker]

how much better is dawnthread lining ? than the daggers

[hushed elbow]

did you change your talents?

[cerulean maple]

ya

ive tried multiple builds and runnign the recommended one on wowhead (sims highest for me)

[topaz horizon]

Just track crimson tempest dot to press it again when it’s in pandemic if things are living long enough to do so

[dry ore]

if i ask you guys 1 question. What differentiate between a good assasination rogue and a bad one ?

[crimson zephyr]

what does pandemic mean?

[spice spire]

That shouldn’t be the case

Link sim

Gonna make sure you’re not on weekly

[spice spire]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[cerulean maple]

ah i just closed 1s

[crimson zephyr]

is it a talent? passive?

[spice spire]

It is a concept

[topaz horizon]

Game mechanic

[spice spire]

Reading the command explains it, if you have questions still glad to help!

[crimson zephyr]

so KB/DM vs DM/KB doesn't really matter it still applies all the same right?

[crimson zephyr]

ah never knew you called that pandemic

thanks

[glass crystal]

!shiv

[thorn fjord]

!boobs

aw dangit

[ocean ferry]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[glass crystal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[ocean ferry]

guys anyone can PM me? i suck ST rota, i'm nonstop energy starved

[cerulean maple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hBg7iy4yeVCgSp1MuGh3Qo

i simmed 770k on last patch

and was 3 ilvl below waht i have currently

[arctic cove]

is new m+ meta to remove doomblade and SBS for TTK and MA?`