assassination

[pliant silo]

It only feels bad when a singular mob is legit dying and you will make zero use of energy or the 6sec buff and you want to deplete your energy dumping on it

[drowsy hatch]

Only the first second of cloak will work

[waxen oyster]

you take elu

[spice spire]

Cast cloak within 1s of retch cast on you

[raven egret]

Nah first cloak can fail hard

[waxen oyster]

and eat it with feint

[spice spire]

Otherwise it doesn’t

Evasion works apparently

Feint also

[azure owl]

but why only 1s?

[waxen oyster]

ngl i just take it raw on 10 and below

it doesnt hurt that bad

[azure owl]

bugged?

[drowsy hatch]

Cause that's how cloak works

[spice spire]

Supercloak has existed for a uh

While

[drowsy hatch]

It's better for the first sec

[spice spire]

It’s a quirk

[balmy condor]

I did more than that but raider.io like bugged out and lost some runs was strange

I did run 50 the other night

[spice spire]

Ahh

[cerulean nest]

looking for some info here if anyone knows

[spice spire]

I thought so

[cobalt sphinx]

Intervene works on blightbone

[spice spire]

I was like that seems low

[drowsy hatch]

Your st in m+ isn't gonna be great. Pool hard and just maintain gar rup and env

[balmy condor]

stay under 20 stacks and you're good to go

I think sims are set up to stay under 20 but they can randomly clip above it every now and then

[spice spire]

Stay still while you can and move around when needed.
Sim hovers around 20, at least that’s what solo (I miss them sm) said

[cerulean nest]

right. but if I can't for extended periods on certain fights, how badly does that tank the trinket's effectiveness?

[spice spire]

In sim I saw it like

[visual flume]

Does supercharge charge a random combo point?

Need to update my WA because it was set up for ER to highlight the points that were animacharged.

Can’t see which one is charged with supercharge 🤦🏻

[raven egret]

i got to set my ovinax build for tonight, fun times

[balmy condor]

probably knocks it down a full % I would assume

[spice spire]

Wildly go for agil 90%! Lf the time

[drowsy hatch]

It works nothing like anima charge

[visual flume]

Oh 😦

[quaint laurel]

!wa

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[raven egret]

no, it only adds CP to your next finisher automatically

[drowsy hatch]

It just adds 2 to your next finisher

[balmy condor]

it was about 2.5% worse than now with full 30 stack all the time

[drowsy hatch]

Don't pay attention to it

[alpine oracle]

do we chanbge the talents??

[balmy condor]

so 1% on heavy movement is probably a reasonable eyeball

[cerulean nest]

dang okay

[drowsy hatch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drowsy hatch]

Look there Plata

[alpine oracle]

Mmm still not change in the guides

[balmy condor]

I think the way it's set up is that it starts at 15/15 and then it coin flips every tick

[drowsy hatch]

What

It's completely different

[balmy condor]

so it still tends around 15/15

[raven egret]

that is a bit misleading, as Supercharger is 2 pointer so you can't go down to Echoing with just 1 point.

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

but if it's super rng it can just flip itself to 22 or whatever

[spice spire]

I haven’t seen an egg sim in a bit

I remember yeah

It goes to 23 often

22*

I had a 23er and was like HUH

[grim ember]

!wa

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[alpine oracle]

Do i stay like that or swap the points below?

[solemn trout]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow talon]

How bad is it if I don't track ttk evenoms and just ooga booga send

[drowsy hatch]

Ooga booga should work out

[prime hull]

Do we now eviscerate at 5 cp after shiv? Need to track that because it works with DN?

[white venture]

Anyone use dead eye spyglass here ?

[raven egret]

Its not bad, but you want to still track to maintain envenom during pooling

[stray adder]

how much money you think they made with that mount so far

[drowsy hatch]

It does not work with dn. Disregard supercharger

[pseudo cosmos]

alot

[coral ibex]

a fuckin lot

[cobalt sphinx]

Completely fine, i had 60-70% uptime on two stacks without tracking

[prime hull]

There is a pin from whispyr, it's working.

[drowsy hatch]

Oh shit I didn't read

[prime hull]

Unless I misread it.

[drowsy hatch]

Checking to see if I'm brain damaged

[cobalt sphinx]

Tracking probably matters more with a dungeon build if it generates less energy

[spice spire]

Fixed pretty sure

Yeah

[slate crown]

me every morning

[spice spire]

You’re both real for that

[drowsy hatch]

sick nvm do it at 5

[visual flume]

wtf is a TTK 😅

[drowsy hatch]

twist the knife

[spice spire]

Twist the knife

The talent

Heck

[drowsy hatch]

have you like read the notes

[buoyant inlet]

How does this work? Spent 32/31?

[pseudo cosmos]

fotm rogues and reading

[cobalt sphinx]

Imported a bad code

[pseudo cosmos]

kek

[thorn fjord]

a shit ton

Im buying one tomorrow lol

[drowsy hatch]

It's the old talent build. Doesn't work anymore

Just read guide

[visual flume]

I swapped from MW monk 😅 I’m new to this stabby life.

[old hedge]

if i'm refreshing garrote and rupture in pandemic window i can do that with just 1cp and its the same as if i do it with 5cp?

[buoyant inlet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[cobalt sphinx]

No that will kill the damage

[visual flume]

Enjoying it though.

[drowsy hatch]

garrote doesnt care about CP but you should rupture with cp

[spice spire]

Garrote absolutely cares about club penguin

[west crown]

New bleed, regardless of pandemic or combo points will override the previous

[stray adder]

i bought mine as soon as it came out 🐳

[drowsy hatch]

listen i dont like typing club penguin as much as the next person...

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-noot-noot-penguin-head-bang-gif-17021033

speaking of penguins

new animation of this is coming

[thorn fjord]

LMAOOO

[buoyant inlet]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/misery-club-penguin-dance-club-penguin-dance-gif-25189776

[stray adder]

you know whats worse than Greed? Regrets

[spice spire]

Amen

[stray adder]

swipe that shit

[thorn fjord]

NO REGERTS BABY

[pseudo cosmos]

until ur wife sees the bill

[thorn fjord]

Put it on my PP so she wont

muahahaha

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/no-ragrets-no-regrets-fail-gif-4946750

[stray adder]

buy her some candles or some shit

[spice spire]

On your HUH

Buddy you can’t say that

[thorn fjord]

Cant spent it all on a mount

[stray adder]

hahaha

[thorn fjord]

Paypal you heathen

[spice spire]

[stray adder]

What is this 90usd on a brutosaurus

[worthy bear]

Whispyrs recommended m+ build is still without ttk right? Same build as before?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah

[stray adder]

"listen honey"

[thorn fjord]

"It was the 20th anniversary how could i say no?"

[winged nacelle]

Does somebody know how night elf works with reprocing indisc carnage and stuff. I have seen people do it but dont know how to do it

[spice spire]

Meld > stealth

You can’t just meld and do it

[next dust]

Shadow meld into stealth

[stray adder]

"it's a long term QoL investment"

[spice spire]

Doesn’t work on bosses either

[ashen scroll]

in the tea shiv macro, is it still worth to press if you overcap energy? or is it just cba with how much energy regen we have now

[winged nacelle]

dont seem to be able to get into stealth though

[spice spire]

Was it during a boss encounter

[visual flume]

Last question I promise @drowsy hatch

On TTK, it says envenom can overlap twice. Does this mean you can have two envenoms on a target?

If so, does the 30% poison application chance stack with the other?

[spice spire]

Yes

[winged nacelle]

No just in packs

[severe canyon]

"wa

[pliant silo]

It’s inconsistent

[severe canyon]

!wa

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[winged nacelle]

Ill test it again this dungeon and see if it works I guess

[spice spire]

You’re definitely able to

[drowsy hatch]

yeah keep 2 if youre running ttk

[spice spire]

Sounds good

[thorn fjord]

it doesnt have repair tho? WHAT THE FUCK

[spice spire]

Nope

Mailbox only baby

[drowsy hatch]

as much as you can

[pliant silo]

I typically use meld for a restealth when a tank does a really “efficient” (atrocious) chain pull with one mob alive

Feels consistent to get stealth off of meld in that scenario

[balmy condor]

yes, we macro it because it doesn't matter

[drowsy hatch]

you wont have 100% uptime on 2, just have 2 as much as possible and maintain at least 1

[visual flume]

Did not know this 🤔
Thanks for taking the time to answer. Appreciate it.

[waxen oyster]

I mean its like 1/5 the price of the OG bruto

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah no problem

[left sundial]

iam so suck about supercharged talent can someone help me after send full combo points shiv it glows like a Echo when i send 1 cp glow combo it not increase envenom buff timer ?

[fading mantle]

guys .. haven't played retail in like a month or 2 .. is the patch where they removed SnD released ?

[waxen oyster]

It was more relevant in SL when oribos had no AH for non engineers

[stray adder]

yes

it's not removed

[coral ibex]

untalent it and go into subterfuge

[drowsy hatch]

less removed and more never have to push it ever

[coral ibex]

dont think about it

[stray adder]

u just dont need to press it

[fading mantle]

awesome !

thank you guys !

[drowsy hatch]

It doesn't actually animacharge. It just adds 2 CP to your next finisher.

[runic hinge]

Don’t you already have like 4 mounts that can repair

[undone flame]

Do you guys think we wil get nerfed next week? I think its likely

[drowsy hatch]

eh why worry

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but i wanted a one stop shop

[spice spire]

🔮

[pure moth]

Why would we?

[runic hinge]

I think we never get nerfed again. It’s likely

[spice spire]

I’ve never worried about nerfs a day in my life

[undone flame]

I just feel very strong after the changes

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/gloop-gif-25555044

[spice spire]

Enjoy it while you can instead of worrying about what could be

[runic hinge]

I hope outlaw gets nerfed for bug abusing

[pseudo cosmos]

bugs hotfixed allready

[strange kindle]

Is anyone here "good" at simming?
I've crafted the 636 dagger with Ascendence, obviously it's better than the Dawnthread lining in raids, but what about M+?

I tried dungeon slice (I know), and it was a 30k dps increase with M+ talents, on 40s 1 target it's a 30k increase aswell, on 5m 1 target a bit less.

Should I use it, or is it impossible to sim properly?

[cobalt gyro]

!stealth

[pseudo cosmos]

yes just dump it in ur MH and go

[spice spire]

If your other weapon is under 636

It’ll be a gain

[pseudo cosmos]

^

[strange kindle]

626

[spice spire]

It’s probably a correct sim

Yeah 10 weapon ilvl

[strange kindle]

Alright, that's what I wanted to hear

[spice spire]

Embellishments mean fuck all this tier

Enjoy king

[spice spire]

What do you need

[undone flame]

I am but i was mainly wondering if it was just me that felt that way oh well to sleep i go

[spice spire]

Gn robots

[cobalt gyro]

my friend was asking about how insane re-stealths were so i was looking for a whispyr rantr

[spice spire]

Ahhh

!restealth

Unlucky

[strange kindle]

Thanks boys

[spice spire]

They’re not

[drowsy hatch]

I forget what it was too

[spice spire]

No it was !restealth

Must have been removed

[drowsy hatch]

oh its just gone

[cyan karma]

Trying to make a focus target kick macro… that will still kick my current target if I don’t have a focus target or not in range of focus target… i see a lot of different answers in my research 😕 my attempt only half works

[runic hinge]

Got spammed too much

[spice spire]

Because !tea would proc it before

[scenic nacelle]

Just ask Whispyr what he thinks about restealth

[pure haven]

Does spatter affect spyglass if spyglass is applied to a non priority target? Like I'm bursting on a big fella and for some reason tempest/fan applies spyglass to an add, will spatter proc the crit stacks?

[heady solstice]

Any auto-tea haters in the chat
Holy shit its so bad

[drowsy hatch]

Im gonna need !tea to include the rant that auto tea doesnt matter

[old hedge]

does Subterfuge extend the "in stealth" of master assassin window?

[wary sail]

I am using Devlin's weakaura. Does anyone know the significance of these three marks?

[drowsy hatch]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[serene solar]

Macro to shiv or just auto proc. It doesn't do much

[coral ibex]

serrated bone spike stacks

[spice spire]

That is your sbs charges

Bone spike

[waxen thunder]

Serrated bone spike charges probably

[spice spire]

The 0.18% diff tho

[wary sail]

thanks all!

[pseudo cosmos]

[spice spire]

[old hedge]

for m+ is this good build?
mainly thinking about Serrated bone spikes x master assassin x ttk interchangeability

[strange kindle]

Not sure if I like skipping SBS for Master Assassin

[drowsy hatch]

well you arent taking subt if youre avoiding ma

[strange kindle]

I'd also pick Recuperator and Supercharger instead of Subterfuge

[drowsy hatch]

id rather drop sd though

[thorny harness]

i do not one bit.. the opener from stealth is so much slower

SBS is so much smoother

[pseudo cosmos]

drop SD

[strange kindle]

The 6s you have increased crit will just be spent stacking bleeds anyway

[shy bluff]

did the trickster cdg bug do anything if u switched to assa

[cedar elm]

anyone struggling with ST energy ?

[serene solar]

You vanish the last 9 seconds of KB with sub and it seems to be a dps increase

[slate crown]

no

[serene solar]

Hard to say if its actually good tho

[spice spire]

In m+ yeah

Raid no

[strange kindle]

I can see the value in that, but that's once every other KB, or Bone Spikes all the time

[old hedge]

like so?

[strange kindle]

Would need to sim

Either way, I don't think the gain, if there is any, would be worth the effort

[spice spire]

The whole point of the build with MA is to skew ST that’s why you take TTK too with it - because yeah most of the aoe your ma isn’t used. But in ST this makes vanish actually useful

[strange kindle]

Vanish is still useful ST for Improved Garrote

[west crown]

This whole rant is outdated now but sure

[spice spire]

[drowsy hatch]

not really outdated

[spice spire]

Dog the rant has been the same archetype but with different flavor

[winged quail]

I kinda prefer when Vanish is pure utility but it’s not unpleasant to use it for damage either

[true shadow]

!wa

[spice spire]

For like

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[drowsy hatch]

just less if you take subt and ma

[west crown]

It’s just “more” important now

[spice spire]

6 yesrs

[thorn fjord]

What flavor of Tea do you prefer

hue hue hue

[serene solar]

What else would you drop to take TTK?

[vast loom]

does this fix the DN preventing use of Mark stacks? or is that confirmed not a bug

[coral ibex]

-sb -sd +ma +ttk

[spice spire]

What nooj said.
Sanguine and sudden demise for TTK and MA

[winged quail]

My experience with losing mark is if I send a DN proc on max combo points and it kills the target, the mark sometimes disappears

[old hedge]

that for m+ or raid?

[cold halo]

Subterfuge gaming

[jade abyss]

We put only 1 point in subterfuge?

[coral ibex]

i like this build because it looks like sanguine is in the cuck chair

fuck sanguine

[coral ibex]

M+

[vast loom]

test this in open world, this used to just be how it worked lol i tried it back at TWW launch and it wouldnt give me DN if i killed with DN envenom

[winged quail]

Yeah I did wonder if it’s even a bug

[drowsy hatch]

well they fixed it once

[old hedge]

wouldnt 1 point in subterfuge be enough and put the extra point in Lethality?

[winged quail]

If you kill the target mark does not get applied so you don’t get DN proc back

[coral ibex]

if you want, i like 12s of MA/IW

[true elbow]

Hey, how should I Sim myself for AOE and for ST ? what settings ?

[dapper ridge]

anyone know what the 3rd spell is there?

[strange kindle]

Is there a thought behind this that I don't see

[runic hinge]

Boston harbor

[coral ibex]

nah i had no thoughts, literally just random assigned talents

[thorn fjord]

Arnold Palmer half and half

[spice spire]

More ST in a class that has a lot of aoe already

That’s the thought

[coral ibex]

SD loses value as you push higher keys, i hate sanguine, ttk rocks and so does MA

easy swap

really not hurting for damage and more subterfuge duration feels better in keys

[spice spire]

Uh

[coral ibex]

👍🏻

[spice spire]

Sd still rawdog is 10% more bleed dam. Our bleeds just do fuck all.
It’s just more st that’s the whole bit

[winged quail]

I know Sudden Demise is lower value in high keys I just hate not having it, it feels so good

[coral ibex]

you can run a sudden demise build

its fine

[west crown]

Does not feel good in high keys what

[serene solar]

Yeah for me dropping sanguine for TTK is only a difference of 800 dps but I get that the idea is for ST help. (This is a subterfuge build)

[coral ibex]

i just wanna do this

[winged quail]

And yeah 10% bleed is not nothing

[jade abyss]

We spread only 5 ruptures and go into caustic? Or is good to spread more ruptures?

[old hedge]

i dont really understand what sudden demise does, the tooltip wording is confusing... it makes garrote and rupture bleed out instantly or?

[coral ibex]

its loss prevention

you get a portion of your bleed damage as instant execute

if your total bleed damage exceeds 150% of the remaining health

[strange kindle]

If enemy has 100 hp and you have 150 damage worth of bleeds on them, they die instantly

[west crown]

5 for scent of blood

[winged quail]

Basically if a target is about to die you get refunded 2/3 of the remaining bleed damage

[west crown]

You want to get into caustic and spatter asap

[pliant silo]

Yep this is definitely a thing

[white lance]

its serrated bone spike charges yea, you can change how you display them in the custom options tab

[coral ibex]

i dont like refreshing bleeds on low targets, would rather just send more envenoms

[strong vortex]

Question about Supercharge...
Is it bugged?
it suppose to give +2 to combo point on activation finishing moves when you use right amount of combo points, but when i used finishing move at 7 combo and 2 of first combo points was charged, 1 charged was used...
So charged combo point was wasted or it gived me +10% damage on that finishing move?

[hushed elbow]

you get refunded energy as well

[jade abyss]

Atm i open with 2 garrotes and spread my ruptures, apply Ct and go into spatter

[hushed elbow]

more energy == more envenoms

[coral ibex]

that is not tied to sudden demise

[drowsy hatch]

Its not when you use the right CP

it just adds 2

Doesnt matter which cp you end on

[hushed elbow]

i was just responding to "i dont like reapplying bleeds to low targets"

[strong vortex]

So, they changed...

[west crown]

In higher keys you get a kingsbane in there

[strange kindle]

Well, yes, they really did

[drowsy hatch]

its just a different spell

[coral ibex]

yea, why would i waste energy and cp to reup bleed durations so that i can lose 1/3 of the damage

to get energy refunded?

waste

[winged quail]

It depends on pull length really

[hushed elbow]

wut

you dont want a free tea energy?

[winged quail]

If you don’t refresh bleeds you might find your self low on energy

[jade abyss]

Thats what i try to to hitting +11 keys now. Playing Fatebound and aoe is okay but im lack in ST...

[west crown]

I mean

Just vanish

[coral ibex]

i dont need a max duration rupture on multiple targets to get full energy

i'll take the low duration refund

and keep sending envenoms

you are underestimating how much energy you will get back from multiple <5s rupture targets dying at once

[onyx linden]

Is this just a tooltip bug or is crimson tempest fucked for this talent now?

[strong vortex]

So, when i use finishing move at 7 combo and have supercharged, it does anything? Is it give me like... +20% to damage like in Sanguine Stratagem (im not sure if it is how it works.

[balmy condor]

tooltip

[onyx linden]

thanks

[coral ibex]

it adds 2cp to your finisher linearly

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah, if you finish at 7 it acts as a 9

[coral ibex]

thats all supercharger does

you just get +2/3 cp added to your next finisher(s)

[floral vale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jade abyss]

And when i play subterfuge i have to skip cold blood that feels weird

[winged quail]

When it works

[strong vortex]

@coral ibex @drowsy hatch
So it worth using at maximum for longer time and damage?

[dapper ridge]

can anyone identify these spells for opener? :3

[coral ibex]

no, its linear

dont think about supercharger

just play normally

[dapper pumice]

garote, rupture, and not sure about the last one

[coral ibex]

you get bonus cp

[spice spire]

Garrote rupture trinket

Idk which

[winged quail]

Garrote rupture trinket

[spice spire]

But we don’t have that symbol

[jade abyss]

Garrote rupture and idk

[deep breach]

last one is a trink from raid i believe?

[spice spire]

Or it could be a racial

Idk

[strong vortex]

Thanks, i gues...

[dapper ridge]

omg tysm wow ❤️ it is my trinket...

[drowsy hatch]

I mean there no i guess you just dont pay attention

it just makes it easy

[coral ibex]

?? i answered you

[west crown]

Easy answer is don’t play fate bound in high keys

[coral ibex]

the correct way to play around supercharger is to ignore it

[spice spire]

Sort of

[coral ibex]

press shiv when you would normally press shiv

[spice spire]

But mostly yeah

[strong vortex]

[spice spire]

Only pay attention and don’t lock a 4 in during dn

That’s like

It

[jade abyss]

Hmm but im a fb enjoyer :(

[light flume]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[coral ibex]

why would you send a 4cp envenom in DN

that's the whole point

[strong vortex]

What?

[coral ibex]

you're not trying to game the +cp

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s the only thing you’d play around

At 5 you launch

[half dawn]

i cba ive ran so many GBs and NW and no dagger. god i hate this loot system

[spice spire]

It’s fixed

[coral ibex]

just craft one

[gilded tiger]

are there any guides that incorperate twist the knife?

[half dawn]

dont have enough gilded

[winged quail]

I know it’s fixed but it just broke for Sub and I really don’t get it anymore

[coral ibex]

run 8's

[winged quail]

This patch man

[spice spire]

Ain’t no way dog

[vagrant brook]

relax guys just buy a $90 mount from the shop and be happy

[half dawn]

yeah ik but atm my gear is still so shit because legit zero upgrades

so impossible to get invs just gotta run my own key 8s

[jade abyss]

They fixed outlaw now x) ?

[half dawn]

but yeah

did they fix deathstalkers?

[winged quail]

Check Sub channel lmao

[weary spear]

are we playing ttk in higher keys or standard hybrid still?

[wary sail]

is there a good way to get serrated bone spikes to drop off target dummy?

[strong vortex]

Thanks for answers.

[vagrant brook]

fly to narnia and come back

[half dawn]

change zones lol

[spice spire]

Ur telling me I have to read sub and outlaw today

Pissed

[pseudo cosmos]

yep

[winged quail]

Outlaw was funny for a bit

[half dawn]

i wonder how long the bans are

[torpid schooner]

Quick question in a raid scenario

is it better to go Improved Poisons and Shrouded suffocation

TTW and Dashing Scoundrel

[strange kindle]

Outlaw gives my fingers migraines

[half dawn]

that people got

[spice spire]

Outlaw is funny often today was not it

[quartz locust]

You can tell theres a few people who might have went too ham with the exploit and nervous lol

[half dawn]

today was cancer fr

[winged quail]

Actual war over whether blatantly exploiting a bug should be punished or not

[quartz locust]

Theyre probably only gonna be banning like the top m+ run exploiters for a few days if that

[jade abyss]

When i play outlaw it reminds me on my time back in starcraft

[half dawn]

3 month ban would've been hilarious

[vagrant brook]

in raid just use the raid builds from wowhead and you'll be good

[half dawn]

abusing bug to progress mythic should deffo be a longer ban

but w/e

[spice spire]

Eh simply don’t bug exploit and chuckle

[spice spire]

[quartz locust]

Yeah single target is solved, and you really only swap to caustic for AOE fights

IB is so shit that you dont even have to swap back tbh lol

[jade abyss]

Was hitting hard the buttons back in the day !

[half dawn]

SC2 my beloved

HOTS was so good

the expansion not the shitty ass moba clone

[vagrant brook]

a hots enjoyer

i fuck with that

[quartz locust]

I just didnt like the group xp in hots

Felt like you couldnt carry

[pseudo cosmos]

if only games workshop didnt pepega it up and sc2 woulda had warhammer @half dawn

[torpid schooner]

Snguine blades with in rtaid

[winged quail]

I miss SC2 tournaments

[jade abyss]

Broodwar guy here D:

[winged quail]

So many community run events back in the day

[half dawn]

Bro I would wake up, watch GSL from Korea and then go to college

simpler days

[golden prairie]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[half dawn]

GSL or code S

fuark

[winged quail]

I may have been an Idra fanboy

[quartz locust]

So for that shiv/tea macro, does that just fully replace shiv button and can straight up take tea off bars?

[brittle cloud]

So supercharger turns our 1st cbp blue… do we finish if we land on it or is it purely cosmetic?

[winged quail]

Pretty much

[spice spire]

Yes

[jade abyss]

Jaedong fanboy here x)

[quartz locust]

I dont have enough buttons anymore lol

My bars are fugly

[half dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCmfbISHLhU&list=PLl5ql9eyVgSXv44aPdwGUOSiVQ8ZVD3lc

Did you ever watch this? This was one the of the sickest finals i've ever seen in SC2

[modern harbor]

guys i see every assa rogue from top 10 playing different talents right now then the wowhead /icy veins suggestions. do we have a proper m+ build now or still testing phase?

[winged quail]

I started adding random focus macros to make my bars feel complete

[half dawn]

YESS

[spice spire]

If you’ve ever had the misfortune of hearing me play or type, I sound like I’m punching the keyboard apparently

[torpid schooner]

Whats the shiv tea macro

[jade abyss]

Sound like me

[keen elk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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[vagrant brook]

yes but in m+ you would miss some casts of tea out of shiv windows

[keen elk]

!ttk

[west crown]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[half dawn]

ummmm

[jade abyss]

When i was playing warrior in BC was hitting the execute button like want to execute my keyboard

[half dawn]

unless you are watching energy and pooling above 30 you will auto use your teas

and its like sub 0.5% dps loss anyway to auto use it, isnt it

[west crown]

You are not a top 10 rogue, ignore it, check wowhead

[vagrant brook]

there's many m+ builds right now that can perform similarly

[keen elk]

!envenom

[quartz locust]

Not with that attitude

[fallen narwhal]

guys for Mythic+ should i be using Twist the Knife or not really? i was wondering if i should drop Bone Spikes and Doomblade for Twisted Knife + Master Assassin? any thoughts?

[half dawn]

Tbh he could try with a diff build and it could work better but likely not

[quartz locust]

No bone spike in m+ would feel so ass

[modern harbor]

of course i am not.. i am just wondering why i cannot get used to it at all i feel like having energy problems since echoing reprimand is gone

[winged quail]

I would personally never drop SBS in m+

It speeds up opener so much

[strong wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallen narwhal]

hmm can i ever fit Twist the Knife tho? probably not right?

for m+

[marble meteor]

anyone know why I cannot add Thistle Tea in a castsequence?

[half dawn]

IC should be an active ability that puts your dots on everything like it was before. this cucked IC is so ass

[west crown]

Take ttk and sudden demise

[winged quail]

You can, you wanna drop sudden demise

Also Sanguine can be dropped for MA

[real granite]

sbs speed opener by literally 1 single gcd

[vagrant brook]

wrong reply :p
but if you feel like you're going out of energy a lot try a build without sanguine blades

[winged quail]

What?

[real granite]

with ma you get crit fok and get 7cp almost always

[half dawn]

1 GCD feels like 1 year on assa tbh

[winged quail]

How many ruptures you putting out?

[west crown]

What was cooldown of it before?

[half dawn]

45s

iirc

[west crown]

Yeah no

30s or less sure

[real granite]

it does not matter how many ruptures i put, it saves you 1 fok literally, if you go MA

[stray adder]

honestly no sbs is fine since we lost 2 gcd in our opener this week

[jade abyss]

45

[stray adder]

its pretty fast

[fallen narwhal]

so Sanguine should be replaced for MA?

[half dawn]

I think it was 8

it was good

you used it on big pulls

[quartz locust]

SnD saves just 1 GCD and it feels so much better to me now lol

[fallen narwhal]

and drop sudden demise for twist knife?

[west crown]

I meant I wouldn’t like it at 45

[winged quail]

Sorry didn’t mean you meant the other guy

[stray adder]

we lost ER too

[half dawn]

didnt rely on restealths to do aoe

[jade abyss]

Ah sorry then

[quartz locust]

Sudden demise is almost strictly a low difficulty content talent

All it does is help you not suffer so much from stuff dying too fast

[west crown]

Gaining like 40 gcds in m+ feels good tho. Won’t have a better change all expansion

[wary valley]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[winged quail]

Gonna experiment with dropping SD this week when I cba running more keys

[quartz locust]

Dont experiment and just do it lol

[jade abyss]

When i go 2 point subter i vanish on 12 second from kb right?

[winged quail]

I know it’s probably good to drop SD for ttk I just hate that it’s good

[keen elk]

is this well known? or just a "sims confirm numbrs are bigger so do it" deal? i thought sudden demise would be bad for higher keys but seems it's run 100% of the time even in ranked 13+'s that have been logged

[winged quail]

Make bleeds do damage in ST again

[quartz locust]

Find whispyrs thoughts about it, its not adding anything, its mitigating loss

[winged quail]

Yes

Yeah but when ur pugging mitigating loss can be nice

[jade abyss]

Allright then i will try it on the weekend

[winged quail]

Still ttk is too much ST to ignore

[haughty verge]

pls dont forget sd increase all bleed dmg %10 ty

[west crown]

Changes are new, not everyone is running the new talents and data is likely out of date

[remote turtle]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hexed root]

how good is writhing armor banding over dawnthread? i dont think raidbots sees it well

[remote turtle]

!kb

[jade abyss]

Damage was fine today withoud sudden demise on +11 Gb and Boralus

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[remote turtle]

how can i see all the macros ?

[normal mist]

You can't

[remote turtle]

sadgies

[west crown]

Check wowhead

[normal mist]

he mean ! commands probably

[midnight mist]

this your guy no

[balmy condor]

he's been banned for a while

[shut pollen]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[midnight mist]

gg

[midnight mist]

will tell him wishpor said hi

[dapper halo]

wishpor, is that his code name

[shy pecan]

Oh, didn't realize he was banned

[strange kindle]

On to the more important questions

[sullen hollow]

from here? lol

[strange kindle]

Why cheat death over Elusiveness

[runic hinge]

Soviet banned? Damn

You learn something new every day

[hexed root]

because im bad at the game D:

[sullen hollow]

[strange kindle]

I feel like every press of Elusiveness is basically a free Cheat Death

[remote turtle]

i mean like the kings bane macro

[winged quail]

Elusiveness is too good

[hexed root]

I feel like if im taking damage it's usually 1 shots

[quartz locust]

Wait no im trolling, i was sure nothing changed with the M+ hybrid build but SD is back in. Not sure what changed tbh

[hexed root]

:x

[rose dirge]

i got 2 questions

dracthyr sims?

and twist the knife weakaura

[quartz locust]

Dracthyr is middle of the pack i velieve

[jade abyss]

Drac is bottom bcs looks like ass :x

[normal mist]

they aren't a dwarf so it doesnt matter

[wild hound]

With feint being off GCD you can usually use it in situations you are worried you'll get oneshot tho! Like first pull in stonevault you can essentially keep a mix of Feint, Evasion and Cloak up throughout the entire pull!

[serene solar]

@spice spire https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Miu9qcBCoWsReUpx619TB

Took that -SB -SD +TTK +MA and dropped 1 point in scent to +SB back in and bam. 22k dps increase.

[quartz locust]

I switch to elusiveness when im 100% confident i can avoid every one shot mechanic. But ill put it cheat death on in like siege for shit like getting pulled into a frontal that they said shouldnt happen anymore but still does

[spice spire]

Seems right

Sims are a model and that fits the model narrative

[serene solar]

lmfao

[flint star]

Is MA bugged? I don't get MA buff when I use Vanish.

[jade abyss]

Works fine for me

[strange kindle]

Because you don't have elusiveness, init

[hexed root]

feint aint gonna save me from what would kill me, i could be wrong

[quartz locust]

Youd be surprised

[strange kindle]

Also help me out here, I don't feel like BaS is worth it

[serene solar]

BaS is just better

[pure star]

its so good? especially in keys

[serene solar]

people only took the other for flensing knives which is patched

[strange kindle]

Is it really needed when I'm already running elusiveness?

It would save me from mega dots when I don't have cloak tbf

[quartz locust]

I mean there are some 1 shots that do multiple times your health pool, but a lot of them do barely more than your health. And with elusiveness you can mitigate a ton of unavoidable shit making your healer more effective

[serene solar]

Yes it makes you even tankier. 2 seconds added to cloak isn't really good for any mechanic that I can think of

[strange kindle]

Soaking shit

[serene solar]

cloak is a get out of jail free or dot cleanse and you don't need more time on it

[spice spire]

It can if you’re bad

[strange kindle]

Last boss in GB comes to mind

[spice spire]

Two extra second to clear tendies in grom batol

Damn

[strange kindle]

Stronk

[spice spire]

One brain cell

[serene solar]

lmfao

[strange kindle]

That's at least 2 tentacles

[serene solar]

just save and pop sprint

gg ez

[strange kindle]

And I hate hentai so fucking much

[haughty verge]

my vanish did not trigger subterfuge+MA once last key

[strange kindle]

Every removed one is a win

[spice spire]

Yeah but imagine 2 extra seconds with sprint

[strange kindle]

I'm staying 2s cloak out of principle

[spice spire]

(The other is way better, 2s cloak is super mid)

[merry bison]

how do we properly sim? was it 8 targets patchwork with 5min

[serene solar]

I removed a ton of those and it was in our path and yet people still died to ones not in our path. Some people are not possible to save

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice 8 target, 10 target

It’s all a model for what you want

[oblique flare]

2s extra cloak feels nice if you use it offensively to do extra cheeky damage standing in shit

[eager gazelle]

several people typing moment

[spice spire]

So get creative with it

[merry bison]

thx mate

[strange kindle]

Nah jokes aside it makes sense, BaS could make a difference in a few places I noticed

[winged widget]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Yeah and I’m one of them

[serene solar]

You could argue 2 second cloak helps in last boss of mists too. But get good and pop shield faster

[spice spire]

That right is actually awful during gale

If I have a circle I can’t see the edge of the circle

[oblique flare]

Allows you to soak 3rd boss in CoT too

The black orbs*

[strange kindle]

Feel like Feint would still be more valuable there at the end of the day

I am convinced.

Thank you

[serene solar]

I wish we just got 2 seconds for free somewhere in the talent tree cause it can be nice in niche situations.

[strange kindle]

Numbing or Atrophic? Apparently white damage is a problem for my bear tank

[spice spire]

For keys? Numbing

White hits hit hard

[raven egret]

raid usually Atrophic, for keys, always numbing

[strange kindle]

That was easy

[serene solar]

Wait ive been trolling and running atrophic in keys...

fml

[real granite]

if you clip MAs your last ma wont proc

[spice spire]

Reporting u to ur GM rn

[strange kindle]

Mate same

[raven egret]

I mean its not the end of thw world but yeah, reported

[pliant silo]

Cast speed reduc is good

[oblique flare]

Helps with kick cooldown

[pliant silo]

Attack speed also good probably more by itself than atrophic

[serene solar]

hmmmmm

idk if I trust you people

[pliant silo]

Casualaddict is running literal +16s

Where certain mechanics begin to oneshot

[cobalt gyro]

both good

[merry bison]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ncPjUhDNJKjQ9D2oTWhZwm Is ST dmg really that low? Not even a mil with "alright" gear

[pliant silo]

You might need the raw -% in turbo turbo high keys

[real granite]

atrophic > numbing, you need the unavoidable dmg reduction

[cobalt gyro]

atrophic gets value when dmg goes up tho

[eager gazelle]

atrophic isn't doing shit in your +10 mists

[real granite]

numbing is not making tank survive anything more, tank surviving is about they having cds or not, preiod

[serene solar]

I am ATTEMPTING 12s. I have all 11s currently

[quartz locust]

Im like 1.2 mil with lower ilvl than you

[strange kindle]

Someone explain to me why people are running green over blue while we're at it

[cobalt gyro]

casting speed is crazy in caster heavy pulls but thats abt it

[tiny axle]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hexed root]

wrong spec

[merry bison]

just how

[hexed root]

he's in m+ aoe spec

[merry bison]

its m+

[spice spire]

You’re in m+ build

[cobalt gyro]

he's also doing patchwerk 4min

[hexed root]

then why are you asking about ST damage?

[cobalt gyro]

default is 5

[fiery trench]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[cobalt gyro]

ur missing out on a complete cast of mark

[strange kindle]

Simming ST for M+ is pretty damn viable

[remote turtle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k122vhWMEerPTuKUfpErTr there u go guys

[dawn heath]

whatsup with tricks not working sometimes?

[lime pelican]

is m+ build updated in whispyr guide?

[dawn heath]

does this happend to u?

i tricks my tank

and i get meled

and oneshot

[drowsy hatch]

yes but pins have an alternative

[strange kindle]

You get "discovered" when shadowstepping in

You need to hit them

[spice spire]

It doesn’t lock in at 4

[merry bison]

I shouldve specified what st I mean, dungeon ST and I was confused that im only pulling 900k on st compared to my law that is comfortable sitting at 1,2mil

[dawn heath]

is that it?

[coral ibex]

yes

[strange kindle]

Yeah

[coral ibex]

mobs see you when you are literally up their ass

[spice spire]

If you notice even on the line it ends at 4:22

[coral ibex]

and swing at you

[strange kindle]

Only aggro from damage gets transfered

[strange kindle]

If you run into them with tricks they still attack you

[winged quail]

Outlaw loses less damage swapping to AoE than assa, is what it is

[spice spire]

It swings 30s both ways iirc and takes the median

[dawn heath]

good way to start the key

[agile geode]

what is SimC default used on Sin on weapon oil for sin?

whetstone or?

[charred helm]

no you dont

[merry bison]

I heard that the hybrid build is kinda scam and not really a hybrid no? Just switched to sin and I'm still trying all builds out

[spice spire]

Pretty sure whetstone

[strange kindle]

Either that or he's opening with ambush in a big pack, gets out of stealth, gets meleed before rest of the mobs are damaged

[pliant silo]

I feel like I’ve been melee’d while just stealthing up and ambushing

Maybe other mobs than my primary target

[strange kindle]

Yes

[quartz locust]

still over a mil at 5 min patchwerk in M+

[pliant silo]

Maybe similar situation with garrote where it hasn’t ticked yet as well

[strange kindle]

I haven't had the issue with garrote

[dim otter]

how are drakthyr simming?

[charred helm]

if you hit a target with tricks that doesnt have any aggro, you always get meleed first before it transfers

[drowsy hatch]

mid

[strange kindle]

Just applying garrote should cause more aggro to be transferred to tank than them just seeing you

[pliant silo]

It’s not a threat thing

[dawn heath]

yeah i noticed

[loud trench]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dawn heath]

when i ambush from stelath with tricks up it doesnt work

[strange kindle]

I don't think that has ever happened to me

[dawn heath]

but if i garrote it does

[strange kindle]

I pull for my tank when he's miles away all the time

[pliant silo]

It’s like they attack you instantly because you are acquired as a target as you leave stealth, and you trade blows

[dawn heath]

if u ambush u will get meled sometimes

[pliant silo]

The hit you do puts them on tank, but you have been melee’d already

[dawn heath]

and if u play a high key

[strange kindle]

Yes

[dawn heath]

u get oneshot

[strange kindle]

I know

But you can definitely pull them without being hit

If you hit them all at the same time out of stealth

[charred helm]

yes, if the tank or someone else already has aggro

[pliant silo]

If you literally shuriken or toss and are not in melee range

Sure

[dawn heath]

with garrote i can pul though

[hardy dagger]

Just press evasion

[dawn heath]

but i needed to apply mark here on the tank

i should ahve just waited

[strange kindle]

Just garrote works for me

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iTSR80LbXbrF3Fnri?invite=cr-MSxZeVcsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

i mean here i pull for the tank this work

[strange kindle]

Well in that clip it might be because you immediately leave melee range before they get a hit off

But I agree with your point

At least it seems consistent in my experience

[bronze flicker]

what is word on town sbs or no sbs

[pliant silo]

That one is tough yeah also silencing mobs that might cast as their first action

I wonder about garrote pull on a big melee guy

Will test later

[strange kindle]

I've done it on the lava rock bois before second boss in GB

[pliant silo]

I am used to tricks functionality in wotlk cata classic where you don’t get hit

[atomic relic]

whats the new talent for m+ guys?

[strange kindle]

0 issues if you open with garrote

[strange kindle]

Check Wowhead

[dawn heath]

yeah problem is if u want to mark a target

and its the first pull of the duengon

[atomic relic]

can you link pls

[dawn heath]

i mean obv u can vanish for mark but

[pliant silo]

In his GB example he has DN from boss dying

[strange kindle]

How are you this lazy

[drowsy hatch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[night jacinth]

Is there a weakaura for the new combo point animations they added in DF to be in the center of your screen

[atomic relic]

xD hahah ❤️

[strange kindle]

Ok back to real talk

I see people pick green over blue

In what situation

Why

How

[slate crown]

!wa many of these packs have their own combo points portions you can take.

Do you mean just take the combo points under your player frame and moving them to the center?

[prisma monolith]

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[charred helm]

Ive literally never seen the Shroud in green anywhere... ever

[drowsy hatch]

I imagine some specific strats may ask for the shroud one

[strange kindle]

Yeah that makes sense

[drowsy hatch]

I just dont know what

[merry bison]

Isn't subterfuge quite a big loss with this build?

[charred helm]

tell em to buy invis pots

[drowsy hatch]

Probably very deliberate pathing

[raw marlin]

on my alt but does rogue have anything to deal with the affix this week in lower keys?

[night jacinth]

I think i figured it out im just gonna turn on personal resource display and hide the health bar so it just shows the combo points

[drowsy hatch]

lol fair enough

[pliant silo]

Aoe blind, pretty bad tho

[strange kindle]

AoE blind

[drowsy hatch]

yeah aoe blind is all you got and it kinda blows

[strange kindle]

Stealth spam garrote if out of combat xd

[charred helm]

AoE blind doesnt work if you cast it on an orb 😄

[pliant silo]

Usually the orbs spawn around the enemy ish

But it’s bad

You’ll get like half of one affix trigger

[strange kindle]

Yeah don't bother unless your druids and shamans are messing it up

[stray adder]

best way to deal with the affix is to not deal with amirite?

[drowsy hatch]

rogues best way to deal with it is play with something that does it better = )

[strange kindle]

And if they are, swap em

[coral ibex]

there's no good way to pop orbs without mobs around as rogue

because they keep you in combat so you cant stealth to garrote them

[short pond]

Is there any thing nerf on envenom? My envenom dmg slightly lower than before

[charred helm]

bow down non b-elf peasants

[agile geode]

ok thanks

[charred helm]

😄

[strange kindle]

Less charged cp's to use it on

[indigo thicket]

can anyone share a solid concise plater profile?

[strange kindle]

If you mean lower overall

[drowsy hatch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[atomic relic]

we dont use twist the knife in m+?

i dont see any build in wow head with it

[strange kindle]

Some do

[drowsy hatch]

its an option. Pins have what you drop to get ttk

[atomic relic]

is it good too use or not?

[drowsy hatch]

theres like 6 varying levels of subterfuge builds for m+ going around

theyre all close

[strange kindle]

I'd say it's a preference

Could argue it's better when you're doing very high keys

[vagrant brook]

use them for more FoK cp

[atomic relic]

you mean ttk or subterfuge/

xD

[strange kindle]

ttk

[atomic relic]

oh okk

so we dont use it for keys lower 12?

[strange kindle]

But as I understand it it's marginal

[raw marlin]

yh i mena my main is a monk and this affix seems so dog shit on rogue lol

[strange kindle]

You can if you want

[wooden flare]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[atomic relic]

i just dont wanna lose dps in keys and some videoes in youtube were saying ttk is big now

[drowsy hatch]

its all pretty close and very opinionated

[stray adder]

the sub no sbs build is my fav

that thing slap

[quartz locust]

feel like its more beneficial on tyrannical week or high enough keys where both are active

[spice spire]

Those builds do have a ton of thoughts

[quartz locust]

so looking at high key logs might skew it

[spice spire]

[drowsy hatch]

[thorn fjord]

what about thotts

[quartz locust]

thottbots

[spice spire]

I mean one of them does (me)

[spice spire]

Ancient memory unlocked

[quartz locust]

now what if i say allakhazam

[strange kindle]

Wanna teach me how to AoE?

[spice spire]

Buddy I press buttons and vibe out

[strange kindle]

Ok same

[spice spire]

I’m dog

[pure haven]

would anyone be able to point me towards a place where I can do log reviews? I'm stagnated a bit and trying to figure out what the hell I'm doin wrong

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna play bleed build now just to throw off the algorithm

[spice spire]

Just post here, driving home now but I can thread and look or a homie can do it

[hollow talon]

is there any build for mythix broodtwisty that can take MA and CT

[pure haven]

Gotcha, should I just slap the warcraft logs link in here and send it?

[spice spire]

Yer

[pure haven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LQgX7BPqaDHFCmbn#fight=last&type=damage-done&graphperf=1

never done it, so hopefully I've got the right thing

[dawn heath]

i keep playing the old build personally until someone convinces me its better

u can still chose between supercharger and subterfuge for the old build but im just going supercharger

[atomic relic]

y im playing with the old one still

but didnt undrestand if they buff ttk why we dont use it

xDD

[dawn heath]

the sims say that its within 1% of eachtoehr

we use it in raid

[atomic relic]

1% is nothing

[drowsy hatch]

well we use it in st

its just expensive in m+

[atomic relic]

yeah

[drowsy hatch]

which is why its questionable

[dawn heath]

Standard m+ build Super charger.
2,0619M Dslice
1.081MPatchwerk (5minutes)

Standard m+ build Subterfuge
2,0614M Dslice
1.054m Patchwerk (5minutes)

MA Subterfuge TTK build
2,101M Dslice
1.076M Patchwerk (5minutes)

these are the sims i ran

for the 3 options

[atomic relic]

not so much diffrents

[drowsy hatch]

the nice thing about doing subt builds

[thorn fjord]

LOOK AT ALL THE LONG BOYS

[drowsy hatch]

is longer iron wire time

or like, more time to apply

[slate crown]

catch me over by the JC bench

[serene solar]

Plus you can ambush if you needed to but suck and hit garrote first

[slate crown]

chillin with my ah

[undone pollen]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dawn heath]

i dont like subterfuge only because it forces me to change keybinds

[thorn fjord]

[kindred crescent]

Hey I am coming back to assasination rogue and didn't play shadow lands, how does the charged combo points work?

[drowsy hatch]

just adds 2 cp to your next finisher. Not actually charged

[silent skiff]

Hi guys, i'm having a hard time getting the best results with Kingsbane, i see everyone running it, but i can't seem to get the same result in terms of overall M+ Damage, am i missing something. (I do pair it with SHIV)

[dawn heath]

battle of the creditcards

[loud trench]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tawny geyser]

They literally made more money on the mount than on the actual game, which is insane.

[dawn heath]

dont think so but they def printed a fuck ton of money

[serene solar]

I am so excited everyone is getting the mount so I can save $90 and leech off my friends/key group

[dawn heath]

or do u mean that it costs more than the game

[waxen oyster]

i mean subterfuge without MA is just

[rain mortar]

can someone link the M+ build that is using Subterfuge right now?

[waxen oyster]

more IC and iron wire time?

[coral ibex]

@novel star i did the step to ansurek during shield phase last night in my aotc run and it was sick, i even tried doing it from melee and got the react step off

W tip thank you

[slate crown]

$90 for a store mount

insanity

[tawny geyser]

Just think about it...people want the mount, right?
They will pay it with either gold by buying tokens, or directly with a credit card -- on the other hand, there are people without the gold and want to buy tokens for 20€ and get easy gold.

[slate crown]

what are we doing here

[waxen oyster]

ngl how much damage does bonespike contribute even

[novel star]

its pretty dope yeh

[tawny geyser]

So not only they're selling the mount

[novel star]

np

[tawny geyser]

They're selling the tokens too

[dawn heath]

thing is the reason i like the old b uild more is that its more RELIABLE sustain dps, but less bursty. i'm already playing with a ele sham and frost dk we dont need more burst we need sustain dps when they are out of cds

[waxen oyster]

i can understand the drop bonespike cook more only because the talent before bonespike in pathing is terrible

[dawn heath]

then i come in and pick up the slack

[royal lantern]

what trick

[novel star]

@coral ibex peep

[waxen oyster]

dont we get more dam per bleed though

[novel star]

just stepping ansurek to cancel wrest

[waxen oyster]

or am i mixing up patches

[strange kindle]

You still pick it tho

[slate crown]

Yes

Lethal dose

[waxen oyster]

i forget which talent does that

[novel star]

/ stepping the beam add on plats

[waxen oyster]

does it count bonespike+the bleed talent before it?

[rain mortar]

What is the standard MA/Sub/TTK build?

[waxen oyster]

mutilated flesh or whatever

[slate crown]

afaik yes

[coral ibex]

wowhead -sb -sd +ma +ttk -supercharger +subt

[silent skiff]

Hi guys, i'm having a hard time getting the best results with Kingsbane, i see everyone running it, but i can't seem to get the same result in terms of overall M+ Damage, am i missing something. (I do pair it with SHIV)

[hollow talon]

is this ideal for mythic ovinax

[dawn heath]

Standard is the old build

this is twist the knife and master assasin

[quartz locust]

CT is kinda overkill in my experience

[rain mortar]

maybe im crazy thats not working for me lol

[coral ibex]

?

[waxen oyster]

yeah the other cook i saw was taking out the bonespike talens

instead of sb sd

[serene solar]

There are a lot of builds floating around cause of the way things sim lol

[deep gyro]

this one sims better for me. by a bit

[rain mortar]

ty

[novel star]

removing bonespike seems sus cause of lethal dose but

its prolly alright

[wicked gate]

any notable gear from BRD?

[waxen oyster]

how much of a loss on dose is it again

[bronze flicker]

how much dps loss is it to drop 1 lethality for vanish

[waxen oyster]

per bleed

[novel star]

2% right

[hollow talon]

should i take MA instead

[serene solar]

Like this sims well and Casualaddict was running with it to test it out. The theorycrafting and build testing is crazy right now

[waxen oyster]

yeah thats basically it except it only takes 1 pt in subter

so 3 less ma seconds for a lethality point

[remote turtle]

w out TTK

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eDUMQTVmzHTvLPL7QvUbTK

[serene solar]

I don't see where an extra point for subter would even come from

The only way I could see that is if you dropped a lethality point and that doesn't seem good

[waxen oyster]

dropping to 1/2 lethality for 2/2 subterfuge

[rain mortar]

you could theoritically drop the last point in lethality for without a trace right? I imagine its not much of a difference but maybe QOL? Or is lethality bigger than i think?

[ashen totem]

we played with 1/2 lethality already before the patch

[waxen oyster]

without a trace isnt worth really

[rain mortar]

unless my blood DK doesnt ever stop chainging dangit

chaining

but even then

its minor i guess

[sour oasis]

@balmy condor bro do u have the WA for the FoK crit plz ?

i see it on your stream, i dont suceed to do it

[balmy condor]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

it's in my edit

[waxen oyster]

if both the mutilate dot and bonespike count it should be 4%

weapon poisons, bleeds, and nature dots

[novel star]

i believe they do

[waxen oyster]

so i guess no env

[sour oasis]

thx my king

[waxen oyster]

since env is straight nature dam

[novel star]

not sure exactly what lethal dose buffs tho

theres probably a list on wowhead

im definitely too lazy to look

[balmy condor]

xiani's right