assassination

[subtle tundra]

waaaah

[half dawn]

Don't you want stealth for dance for every thingy

that big ability

clones

do damage

boom

[spice surge]

No

[neon lantern]

Hi , can someone give me a wa for Indiscriminate Carnage ?

[flint tinsel]

Any Outlaws in the chattah?

[subtle tundra]

[spice surge]

The only thing you really get from stealth as sub is premed, aka your next finisher fills your cps to full

[tacit wedge]

Silly you
I have a script to extend this limit

[spice surge]

Which storm does anyway on 6 or more targets

[coral ibex]

outlaw revolves around chaining subterfuge windows so idk

[grim jay]

Wish it was real

[mighty rapids]

outlaw is most stealth dependant

you need stealth to extend AR

[visual vault]

No. Also outlaw wants the restealths to not lose on buff uptime in between packs. Also nice to start the pull in a crackshot window.

[spice surge]

Like its not even close. Sub doesnt give a shit about restealths

[icy acorn]

sub has its dance for stealth related stuff

[half dawn]

yeah i know that but I feel assa is moer stealth dependant for IC

[coral ibex]

no

[flint tinsel]

Screenshotted from Outlaw channel

[strange python]

so the pinned comment touches a lot on twist the knife, but the wowhead talent trees for m+ dont take it, is there a reason for this?

[drowsy hatch]

Because it's newer tech that's being investigated

[visual vault]

Just rupture 5 different units. Outlaw feels like shit without AR.

[drowsy hatch]

Not even necessarily better

[neon lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Because the m+ stuff was found out after the initial update on wowhead. It should be getting updated soon

[strange python]

oh ok ty @drowsy hatch

[half dawn]

yeah true but played right you have like near 90% ADR uptime anyway

if u dont die

and dungeon dependant

[subtle tundra]

didnt you fucking say you go to bedge

[pastel onyx]

sleep police

[visual vault]

Doti and Throne were the worst when i played outlaw because i press AR without thinking too far ahead lmao.

[half dawn]

yeah

those 2 keys i would hold adr

never forget upper doti respeccing to sub for last or shield cant be killed

[night bronze]

Hey idk if someone answer this, but is the daggers from BRD worth a try?

[half dawn]

good times

[grim jay]

Dang I hope its not bait

See them all vanish for real

[severe canyon]

Guys n grills Ive got a question! I see m+ runs on youtube, 10+ keys where assa rogues pulling 8m dps on like first pack of grim batol. Why is it that Im only pulling like 1,5m?
Opener: Ambush->garrote->rupture->rupture->garrote->mutilate(caustic spatter)->shiv->kingsbane->madness trinket

[normal mist]

Weren't you supposed to be sleeping

[marsh raven]

If you are dagger-starved yes

[jade abyss]

when i play subter with fatebpund i have to skip cold blood hmm ?

[marsh raven]

else no

[drowsy hatch]

In getting back to it

[grim jay]

You wanna get ct running immediately after your ruptures and mad queens sucks in m+

[gray horizon]

not seeing deathmark or CT

[marsh raven]

CT?

[half dawn]

crimson tempest

[severe canyon]

Dont feel like Crimson tempest makes a different

[normal mist]

Crimson tempest

[marsh raven]

thanks

[gray horizon]

bruh

[normal mist]

?????

[gray horizon]

it 100% does

[normal mist]

?????????

[severe canyon]

But ill try it! Thanks

[mighty rapids]

are u doing keys that high though? Stuff has to live long enough for your dots to tick

[normal mist]

???????????

[half dawn]

CT is like your 2nd biggest overall

damage in m+

[marsh raven]

it does

[half dawn]

iirc

[modest nexus]

????? ????????????

[grim jay]

Yeah I mean why would the aoe finisher be good on aoe right

[severe canyon]

It is probably the order i press CT, that makes it feel weak

[marsh raven]

you want CT running + envenom before you go into cds probably

[brittle quail]

only in high keys

[normal mist]

CT, our biggest AoE button, yeah it makes little difference

[brittle quail]

otherwise opening is too long

[severe canyon]

Also i am 610 ilvl, obv 625+ pump more but damn

[drowsy hatch]

Well I would presume we aren't worrying about +3s

[marsh raven]

so you drop the envenom?

[half dawn]

yes this is also huge difference

xd

[grim jay]

Way more, its not even close

[mighty rapids]

at 610 you're not doing keys where stuff is living long enough

[severe canyon]

im playing 7-8 atm

[mighty rapids]

to reach taht dps

[brittle quail]

first thing to go yes

when you want to speed up the opener

the idea is you want everything before cds

[twin plume]

Droping bone spike feels so bad in keys

[pastel onyx]

ur target prob dies bfore kb last ticks

[grim jay]

Dont do it then

[pastel onyx]

and kb is backloaded dmg

[acoustic crest]

Hi dude, what is the best new talent for MM+ now in this new patch on the fisrt tree ? *

[visual sun]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[normal mist]

Pins or wowhead

[grim jay]

Gimme that hewd

[normal mist]

Shhh

[drowsy hatch]

We giving hewd?

[normal mist]

I accept hewds yea

[pastel onyx]

[urban iron]

almost bis offpiece would u take it? or socket? (got myth chest already)

[normal mist]

Sim both situations

[shut garnet]

why r ppl talking about dropping bonespike btw? 👀

[past marten]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[pastel onyx]

cuz they are masochists

[normal mist]

No idea

[pastel onyx]

if its m+

[normal mist]

Imagine not rupturing back to back

[brittle quail]

well with MA + subt its totally ok

[shut garnet]

i think whyspir was talking about ttk+MA and subterfuge simming a bit better in keys but you just drop sanguine blades+ sudden demise for it surely no?

dont think thats up on wowhead yet

[lament warren]

!wa

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[normal mist]

That isn't

[drowsy hatch]

That's just living in pins rn

[normal mist]

It's in the pins

[hearty tendon]

Heyo just a question for playing fatebound I've been reading around and looked at sims do we not ambush out of stealth when running fatebound?

[brittle quail]

yes but you can gain more prio from that build from dropping doomblade + bone spike

[normal mist]

Can someone give Liliana a tea so they can go to sleep already

[kindred hinge]

Zerocool put out a build without Sbs so people have seen that.
SB/SD/SBS/TTK/MA/WAT/Lethality point are more or less talent you can shuffle around wand it will not make mmuch different dps wise

[drowsy hatch]

Ok ok I'm going

[kindred hinge]

Gamepplay wie it is obvs slightly different

[grim jay]

Zero, the guy known for the good builds

[normal mist]

You'll (not) thank me tomorrow

[shut garnet]

and replace them with?

[normal mist]

Zero tries stuff for his own and don't usually means we all should so it

[kindred hinge]

I would not play without SBS, that's personal preference in term of feel in the opener

[normal mist]

To the point he asked whispyr to pin 📌 his message telling us to not play double vanish before this patch

[kindred hinge]

And difference aint worth it

[frank tendon]

Does anyone have a real simple wa only showing bleeds/buffs? no combopoints or energybar

[kindred hinge]

But people watching zero cool have been copy catting

[normal mist]

The usual yeah

[midnight atlas]

i miss ER for deathstalker marks

[normal mist]

Same

New shiv talent

Sucks balls

Fuck super charged

[midnight atlas]

they could've kept ER as a choice node in there and have supercharger as an option

[shut garnet]

when did they change MA to be 25% for 6sec btw

i swear it was 3 sec for the longest time

[normal mist]

With the patch

[sour citrus]

Ceverions old wa?

[slate crown]

like 3 days ago

[shut garnet]

fair lmao

[normal mist]

Oh hi lisonna

Your envenom wa

Is AWESOME

[shut garnet]

so i assume we go 2pt in subterfuge if we play that build in keys right

[slate crown]

thx

[frank tendon]

got a link? 😄

[normal mist]

I assume so as well

[nova aspen]

is it necessary to track the double evenoms for TTK?

[ebon lava]

where to get the WA ?

[nova aspen]

or are we fine to just use what we have been

[normal mist]

https://wago.io/lcM4ssa54

[ebon lava]

tyvm

[normal mist]

@nova aspen just get this. Extremely easy to read

It's perfect

[nova aspen]

will do!

[heavy canopy]

Can recommend that bar, works perfectly!

[shrewd gale]

hey! I got a noob question about the AoE rotation. I get that you spread your dots via your main target with Indiscriminate Carnage out of stealth (and vanish). What should I do if the pack lives for a long time and the dots are falling off on the non-main targets? Should I start reapplying one by one?

[worthy bear]

!plater

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[heavy canopy]

Got it integrated into my existing WA

[worthy bear]

which one is the plater that changes nameplate color?

[normal mist]

Yes, focus on at least 5 ruptures

[midnight atlas]

fan of knives and a few ruptures here and there, then you pick a main target and spatter from that one

[shrewd gale]

thanks guys!

[heavy canopy]

Whispyr's does, but idk about the rest

[mint kindle]

What's up with outlaw destroying mythic logs?

[shrewd gale]

do we only do it for Ruptures, or also for garrotes?

[worthy bear]

is it just a script or a whole profile?

[worldly nebula]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[heavy canopy]

Whispyr's Plater does everything, part of which is Recolor For Debuffs modding

[worthy bear]

ty

[nova aspen]

will the red line just go away if we are not spec'd into TTK?

[warm vortex]

Just tried subterfudge build

is fun

[coral ibex]

bugged

[vagrant wagon]

Outlaw Rogue
There's a bug where you go Trickster, you build up the capstone Coup De Grace, when it's ready go, use it on a critter, then spec into Fatebound. After this every finisher you cast now will act as if it spent 5 additional combo points. It gives you an absurd amount of CDR and additional damage on everything. People are posting 2.5m+ overalls with this bug.

[warm vortex]

Idk if i prefer it over the normal one

But was fun :)

Might try TTK next

[heavy canopy]

The red line is your pandemic window, so no, that'll always be there. It will show two bars if you have TTK, one of which will have the tick to indicate pandemic window.

[coral ibex]

subt + MA + ttk is the way

[mint kindle]

W T H? oof

[warm vortex]

Could try that

did MA + Sub

but didn't put in TTK

you need to sac of demise right

To get TTK

[nova aspen]

gotcha

[warm vortex]

or is it SBS

[coral ibex]

yea i drop SD

[warm vortex]

:(

sudden demise is so coool

[sour citrus]

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

[coral ibex]

it’s a tiny part of your dam

[warm vortex]

Fair

Did a GB just now

[sour citrus]

Old one, not sure this is what u want

[warm vortex]

was dps breakdown

[warm vortex]

But yea

Tried out normal build

and the Sub build

gonna try out TTK and TTK sub build
haven't tried double vanish build either

[nova aspen]

the subt build actually sim'd 50k higher for me

than the normal build

ttk sub build*

[hearty tendon]

Heyo sorry gonna ask again didn't get a reply when using fatebound sin rogue do we open with ambush or not rather confused on the whole thing haha

[gray horizon]

FB no you don't need ambush

you only ambush with deathstalker to apply the mark

[warm vortex]

Oh fair

dude i love how many builds there are to try

[hearty tendon]

Why is that if you don't mind me asking haha

[gray horizon]

i dont play FB so i'm not 100% sure on dmg numbers, but the main reason you ambush from stealth with deathstalker is to apply the mark, which is your whole gameplay loop

You don't get the mark with Fatebound, so you don't need to ambush from stealth

[stray fox]

With the subt build does vanish get desyncd from dm a lot? I’m only doing 11s, but a lot of times after 12 seconds packs basically dead

[gray horizon]

BUT if you are ever curious or confused about your opener and what to do, just go to raidbots and run a quick sim and look at the cast sequence

[strange python]

what do u even drop for MA for m+ build

[coral ibex]

accelerate your opener

[hearty tendon]

Will do ty ❤️

[coral ibex]

press dm/kb earlier

[stray fox]

Do we want to vanish before 12s?

[gray horizon]

It feels so freaking weird using FoK in ST now ;_;

[coral ibex]

vanish for garrote pandemic i think

[royal python]

So are we re rolling outlaw or ele shaman

[stray fox]

Yeah I’m saying it feels like packs are dead around 12s, so I’m not vanishing but next pack I get a restealth and the same thing happens so vanish just sits on cd

[coral ibex]

ele already got hotfixed and outlaw is bugged enough to also get hotfixed so no

[soft shale]

mm also getting hotfixed

[spice surge]

Assa can keep up with ele

[soft shale]

soonish

[gray horizon]

sin is def the move. I've been topping meters by a mile in raid so far

[wooden radish]

Is supercharger working fine for Assassination btw? does it increase Envenom damage?

[warm vortex]

But yea

[wooden radish]

BTE is having issues where it doesn't get affected by supercharger 2/3+ cps

[coral ibex]

fuck supercharger all my homies hate supercharger

[warm vortex]

imma try TTK, TTK + MA + Sub, maybe double vanish

Seems fun

[gray horizon]

Yes and it increases the dmg of your next finishr, Envenom or not

[high walrus]

wake up, it's time for random 0.5 second input delay since 10.0.5 patch

[wooden radish]

hmm

[high walrus]

which will randomly dissapear 2 hours from now

[wooden radish]

thats good

[severe canyon]

Where my damage at???

[rich sentinel]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[arctic venture]

yeap is offical, blizzard had fookup the build hehehe

was soo good.

[gray horizon]

??

the build is fantastic now

[arctic venture]

I like the way it was.

[gray horizon]

Only thing that kinda sucks is having to use vanish during cds

It was nice having it for reapplying mark if it fell off

[arctic venture]

vanish is not that strange for me.

[tall jay]

!wa

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[arctic venture]

But I felt much more fluid before.

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic venture]

what is your m+ tree @gray horizon ?

[gray horizon]

Having to use Vanish as a dps cd fucking sucks. It was sooo much better having it ready to reapply mark on certain fights, like queen

[gray horizon]

no clue haven't done any keys yet this patch

[frank tendon]

Thank you 🙂

[shy axle]

!wa

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[shy axle]

i guess LE is Lisonna from the pins?

[crude sequoia]

bro kel thuzad holding me hostage along a trio

how tf do u do this boss

[royal lantern]

isnt that a thing for 17years now

[crude sequoia]

lmfaoooo

[slate crown]

yeh

[pseudo cosmos]

Yep

[gray horizon]

nope

Previously you didn't have an entire gameplay loop that revolved around a mark that can easily fall off a boss

If that falls off, and you don't have Vanish to reapply it, your dps is scuffed for pretty long

[tall jay]

@slate crown I am gonna try your wa package today 😄

[feral crag]

do we go 1/2 or 2/2 in lethality if we plat subterfuge

[gray horizon]

Like for example on queen, when you're breaking her shield. If she goes immune before you get that last envenom off, RIP

or if silken court timers are off, then the one you have your mark on just fucks off and then you do zero dmg til vanish is back

just pain all around

[grim jay]

Is a current cook

[slate crown]

[grim jay]

It cant easily fall off

[pseudo cosmos]

With double vanish now?

[tulip portal]

I tought 2x vanish is dps loss

[pseudo cosmos]

Same

[gray horizon]

You're telling me you've never had it fall off on silken court when the bosses swap around

lol

Or on Queen if you break the shield at a weird timing

[warm vortex]

BNtw what builds do people prefer atm? Not from numbers wise just how it feels to play

[tulip portal]

It can but you can easily manage it

[timber gate]

Run this and pray u dont get caught

[severe canyon]

Someone please watch my video and tell me why other rogues pull 8m dps and i dont even reach 2-3m

[gloomy tusk]

i m playing this atm

[grim jay]

1 leth is kinda weak, which is the other option. You have some added flexibility in vanish usage, which can be a gain that you cant assign a number to and be rather good for gameplay, while leth adds basically nothing but a small number

[gray horizon]

Maybe on mythic it'll be better, on heroic the timings are too random due to dps

[timber gate]

Because ur opener is ass

[stray adder]

double vanish ain't worth it

[severe canyon]

D:

[timber gate]

First u open ABUSH GAROTTE GAROTTE FOR FULL COMBO THEN RAPTURE RAPTURE then 1 envenom

[tulip portal]

Probably yea but even on hc i kinda manage. Knowing what cones when helps

[timber gate]

then DEATHMARK KINGSBANE

[gleaming geyser]

no SBS in M+ is a sacrilege

[onyx musk]

rapture?

hes playing priest too?

[grim jay]

Thats not easily, thats special circumstances and no I never had it fall off court after week 1

[dawn heath]

Lets hope the outlaw exploiters gets banned

[unkempt warren]

https://tenor.com/view/rapture-zhivago1955-salem-oregon-christians-gif-21315982

[onyx musk]

doubt anyone gets banned

[pseudo cosmos]

Ye were doing bio shock gaming

[pliant vortex]

When's crimson tempest?

[dawn heath]

The rank 1 key is 3x bugged outlaw rogues

[grim jay]

Ye Whispyr and the people testing have no clue what they are talking about am I right?

[gray horizon]

I mean my guild just ran through heroic silk before mythic last night, the bosses literally phase at incredibly weird times due to dmg

[timber gate]

before envenom

[onyx musk]

not having bonespike feels incred bad

[timber gate]

CT Then envenom then dm kb

[gray horizon]

mythic will prob be better but any fight with a weird intermission/immune phase its pretty easy to drop the mark

[onyx musk]

unless youre doing a huge pull on like a 13 where you have way more globals

[vagrant brook]

iron wire where smh

[stray adder]

stop glazing bro

[undone summit]

try to use poisons first

[stray adder]

it's not worth it

[pseudo cosmos]

Ok I’ll just give it a whirl tonight yolo bolo

[timber gate]

Shush

[severe canyon]

hahahahaha i tried practice my rotation so much they ran out

[dawn heath]

Are they fixed yet?

Outlaw

[pseudo cosmos]

Kek

[frank tendon]

do you bother garroting + rupturing more than once in aoe pack?

[timber gate]

5 raptures

is enough

[grim jay]

Its not glazing, its you feelycrafting random stuff and just stating it as a fact while its not. Also im testing aswell

[ivory wedge]

Please dont fix until I can get home and be 3000+ rating

[frank tendon]

so twice then?

[stray adder]

instead of being a yes man, go do a key with double vanish

[onyx musk]

thinking people are gonna get banned for abusing outlaw when RWF mages were abusing their hero tree

[grim jay]

I did as you can read

[ivory wedge]

Does the buff work with assa too or only outlaw?

[onyx musk]

well you cant go trickster as assas

[vagrant brook]

ambush garrote rupture rupture garrote fok to 5+ ct fok mut envenom dm shiv kb (fok to 5+ envenom)xN
with that particular number of targets

[ivory wedge]

Bug*

[grim jay]

Whole different frame

[ivory wedge]

Ok works with sub?

[grim jay]

Rwf stuff wasnt even close to as insane

[ivory wedge]

Or OP because CDR?

[severe canyon]

How do i gain combo points from CT to envenom? I Assume I wanna do full cp envenom no?

[frank tendon]

fan of knives

[main monolith]

Is this the new bis talents for keys? 😮

[west crown]

You don’t

[onyx musk]

yeah different frame in the sense RWF is the biggest marketing/viewership for Blizzard and this is random keys week like 6 of the season

[pseudo cosmos]

No

[grim jay]

Different frame as in one is gamebreaking and the other isnt

[severe canyon]

great

[spice surge]

One player gaining 3% dmg in a 20 man setting VS one player getting +50% damage in a 5 man setting

Wonder whats more relevant

[vagrant brook]

scent for blood where

[main monolith]

i saw it in the simulations excel

[warm vortex]

Also on topic of double vanish
How would you use it in keys compared to 1 vanish sun
Use it more freely?

[pliant vortex]

How do I open on an AoE pack when I dont play bone spike? Feels pretty awkward

[grim jay]

Ye people coping so hard if they compare that

[onyx musk]

itll get patched and people will say oh yeah thats when outlaw was bugged

[spice surge]

They should def give short bans to people exploiting shit like this to push keys

Or kill mythic bosses

[onyx musk]

and move on

[grim jay]

Its also actively going out of your way to exploit it

[worldly sail]

both are actively going out of their way to do it

[pseudo cosmos]

Looks like iron wire abuse silence enjoyment

[spice surge]

They banned people for the rep stuff at the start of the expac

[onyx musk]

i mean idrc it doesnt have any impact on me im just saying idt people are gonna get banned

[west crown]

So it sims competitvely but it’s not the best option

[grim jay]

Not on you but on many people that do the higher end content

[warm vortex]

Ah ok so focus on using the extra charge in caster packs

So double charge is more dungeon dependant ? Or am I wrong

[grim jay]

And its still 100% intentional bug abuse

Which isnt allowed

[orchid loom]

!wa

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[hollow stone]

the main diff is that you need to do like 5 steps to initiate the bug, thats basically blizz’s definition of exploiting (whether its yours or not)

[pseudo cosmos]

Seems like it with the spamming ads not read anything saying differently

[onyx musk]

and im not doing higher end content?

[grim jay]

No its just more freedom on vanish CD usage, so you dont lose anything if you dont vanish on CD

With other benefits like the silence in demand

If shit goes down

Potentially once

[west crown]

With subterfuge you will have iron wire up for half the pack anyway

[gloomy tusk]

i mean you are more cds dependend without sbs depend what keys are you doing i guess, this is the other build i m playing when i play pug and seems more consistent but idk i m freaking out tbh

[bronze rock]

do u guys track bonespikes or u just let go whenever they're up ?

[grim jay]

Obviously not high enough if it doesnt affect you

[grim jay]

No tracking needed

[onyx musk]

crazy comms were really gonna have to flex io in a class discord?

[nimble vector]

This isn’t really relevant, they’ll likely give short bans if people are being extremely stupid with it and pushing keys all day with bugged hero talents, but doing 1 or 2 keys won’t get you banned (probably) (just don’t do it)

[crisp stream]

any idea what % envenom uptime would be good with ttk on m+?

[grim jay]

How is it flexing? Noone said a number or anything. If you dont care then you dont care about people scoring higher than you, which top 200 wr guilds and title m+ers typically do

[hollow stone]

yea, for sure, do whatever you want but this fits blizz’s definition of intentionally exploiting a bug

[bronze rock]

which bug are we talking about ? missed before

[urban iron]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[grim jay]

Exactly

[nimble vector]

Blizzard does not have a very consistent definition of bug abusing

[regal linden]

so what's best talent for keys for now? kind of confused

[nimble vector]

I assume people are talking about the outlaw coup bug

[onyx musk]

all im saying is i dont think people are gonna get banned for doing this and youre upset i think that?

whatever helps you sleep ig

[hollow stone]

there is a very good chance there are no bans

[bronze rock]

oh, heard something, not switching to outlaw till they remove hardcap lul

[hollow stone]

but again, this fits their definition so it is also possible they hammer em out

[grim jay]

Noone is upset at all, you are just playing things down because of your personal view point that are obviously against the rules and impact gameplay and getting told otherwise

You are actually the only one that seems upset

[hidden herald]

!wa

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[grim jay]

Especially with that obnoxious rio statement

[stray adder]

keep going, we're having fun guys

[onyx musk]

if youre worried about 15/16s week 6 on something thats gonna get patched, or these players wont time in like a week with more gear idk what to tell you

[grim jay]

I dont think they ever will

[past marten]

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[grim jay]

Mate you do you, cba to keep arguing with your defensive stance on clear bug abusing

[timber gate]

This is the one guys i found it pin it - 6VIBES conclusion just try it and see for urself u can go double vanish with it and do more than 5 raptures

[pseudo cosmos]

Tbh is looks like the raid build

[vivid stream]

What are these deathstalker bugs, mark just randomly seems to disappear?

[onyx musk]

mate, im not even playing the spec i do not care it doesnt affect me

[quartz locust]

5 raptures is a little overkill

[west crown]

Scroll up like 10 messages

[warm vortex]

Ah ok so it's more for master ass? (picking up charge 2)

[grim jay]

Ye its a good one

[arctic socket]

@grim jay did raid last night, why is our ele shaman doubling my damage?

[timber gate]

this is M+ Killer

[arctic socket]

Doing 2m+

[bronze rock]

let me dream about it, not enjoying outlaw since bfa

[ripe umbra]

yeah, this is terrible atm

[pseudo cosmos]

They broken

[timber gate]

12 SV

[vivid stream]

What causes it?

[stray adder]

your ele is a slacker

[regal linden]

cool

[onyx musk]

think you need a new shaman

[arctic socket]

That shaman musta been horrible

[median bane]

Did i see macro in here earlier to make sure not to cast Thistle tea more then once if u spam Shiv ?

[timber gate]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[grim jay]

Our ele aint good, but seemingly they missed the mark with the hotfixes and went kinda soft on them

[arctic socket]

!shiv

[warm vortex]

Did the priest funnel the PI into the ele too

[timber gate]

yeah

PI ele

[warm vortex]

Oh for petes sake

[timber gate]

if i had it

GG

[stray adder]

what is he 604ilvl?

[timber gate]

2 boss was so fun tho

[warm vortex]

im assuming your dps was that high due to mobs living like

[timber gate]

opener 6mil

[warm vortex]

much longer

[magic fossil]

do you guys really care about minor changes, unless one or another aberration, every single one M+ its between +2% or -2%, go whatever you feel like.

[warm vortex]

yea, double bosses are fun af on assa

[timber gate]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMzwM8ADAAAAAAzCsNDAAAAAAttMzMjZmBzMzysNmZw8AzMzgxMbbLjZA2mZZsxYGzSjZZZYy2wwCA

here is talents boys

trust

[grim jay]

Yes many do

[timber gate]

u can run double vanish with it if u want

[west crown]

Love trolling my groups when I run wrong talents

[warm vortex]

Seeing peopel do this makes me feel worse about like

[onyx musk]

server down in 15 min everyone logging in banned

[warm vortex]

1.5Mil - 1.7Mil avarage on 10s D:

[stray adder]

do you have an aug or not

[warm vortex]

No

[stray adder]

well

[warm vortex]

Also

[grim jay]

Its not particularly wrong, its just the subter build without subter

[warm vortex]

that name is a mood

[grim jay]

[warm vortex]

Also saw my first BM this season

did 1.53M overall

which was p big

[stray adder]

crazy that he got invited in the first place

[warm vortex]

Also, what is fatebound like

Yea haha

[warm vortex]

I rmeember playing it a bit pre patch and it was fun

[grim jay]

@opal plume or with 1 leth instead of without a trace

[stray adder]

my friend stopped playing because of how bad it is, now he's suffering on classic HC

[warm vortex]

Lmao

also time to do the 8 delves :(

least i can do uni work while it goes on in the BG

[brisk forge]

Fate isnt bad at all

[gleaming geyser]

id still probably drop MA for TTK in m+ because most of your stealth time is spent applying garrotes and rupture anyway

[grim jay]

Its really bad in m+

Fine in raid

[brisk forge]

Really bad its not

[warm vortex]

I remember doing some M+ runs w it

never tried it in raid

[west crown]

Has Whispyr signed off on this without a trace blasphemy?

[grim jay]

Well MA works better with the subter build ye

[brisk forge]

I do 1.9 i wake etc

[gleaming geyser]

oh true; with subt, it makes sense to keep MA

[sinful terrace]

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[quartz locust]

looks like some outlaw bros are getting banned lol

[grim jay]

Actually the consensus is that it doesnt really seem to matter much, but he prefered without a trace aswell seemingly

[snow juniper]

well thankfully i didnt switch over to outlaw

lol

[deep gyro]

Really?

[quartz locust]

yeah look at their channel

[warm vortex]

Arent they supposed to be above the law?

[snow juniper]

wox supposed

[west crown]

He’s wanted without a trace all along it seems

LIAR

[grim jay]

Probably

Gaslighting us

[gloomy tusk]

i mean you vanish in kb window now

so idk

[royal lantern]

seems like they are not outside the law then

[golden loom]

From heroic skiran, I just love that this is a thing

[west crown]

You vanish in cds in m+?

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/giggles-gif-26049387

[west crown]

Feels like a terrible decision

[barren yarrow]

Vanish into CDs in M+?!

[grim jay]

Should be a festive day in WoW if they get banned

[barren yarrow]

tank pull goes hard lol

[gloomy tusk]

i play with tank premade so for me isn t a real issue tbh but maybe i m trolling i m just testing tbh

[west crown]

Vanish in pull, get caught with my pants down on the second, no thank you

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[arctic socket]

On mythic silkran 3rd boss do you know how to disable other people’s effects so I can see these damn swirls? Same with brood 😂

[barren yarrow]

Lmfao 🤣

[royal lantern]

i really really really dont undersstand where this "i have to use vanish for dmg, thats bad" thing comes from

like, guys, rogue is using vanish for dps since TBC

the class has stealth benefits, and ofc they will be tuned around you getting them a couple times

why did that suddenly become a problem during ~DF lol

[grim jay]

Can tone them down in the settings

There is one that exactly sounds like what you want if you read it

[high walrus]

nobody is getting banned

[arctic socket]

What’s the setting called, I can’t see shit for all of frost / lightning shit

[sleek ridge]

They are linking Dragonflight screens…

[high walrus]

the login screenie ban is 10.0.2 in the bottom left

and the rest is just people trying to bait

[grim jay]

Uh sec

[grim jay]

Think its spell density

[arctic socket]

Bet

Also

How does the targeting for webs work on rash ( 4th boss) because I swear every single opener I get targeted

I wanna parse 😦

[royal lantern]

be lucky

[high walrus]

can we use public work orders now since r5 is like 99% material based

[arctic socket]

I swear every single fucking time tho I’m getting targeted

😂

[quartz locust]

lol yeah got trolled, but theyre doing a server shutdown rn apparently?

[grim jay]

Ive just been precloaking on rekills but might be placebo

Worked so far tho

[arctic socket]

Oh if I cloak opener I can get targeted?

[royal lantern]

and like

[arctic socket]

That’s such a good fucking idea

[royal lantern]

you can still hit her

while getting web

[grim jay]

Idk I have no evidence, but I didnt get it on the limited sample size

[worthy bear]

supercharger feels superweird, sometimes charges my 1st or 2nd cp? weird stuff

[arctic socket]

Nah, my group does it a weird way

[grim jay]

It doesnt charge any

[spice surge]

It doesnt charge any cp

[arctic socket]

They want the web targets to be as far away as possible

[snow juniper]

its next finisher my brother

[worthy bear]

oh then maybe my old wa does strange shit

[west crown]

Vanishing for damage is good. But inadvertently vanishing for a dps and utility loss in non premade m+ is bad

[snow juniper]

graphically it throws it there

[gentle tusk]

Can someone tell me what's happening to outlaw

[subtle tundra]

holy shit i didnt realise internal bleeding was THIS bad

[timber gate]

hotfixed tomorrow outlaw

[snow juniper]

there is a bug that people were abusing

[timber gate]

then its back normal

[celest crescent]

"people" abusing bugs and 1shoting everything spamming 2 buttons

[pseudo cosmos]

Is there blue post on it ?

[shy axle]

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[torpid schooner]

Whats the bug?

[cerulean osprey]

Outlaw bug is already a Reddit post so I’m sure hotfixed real soon

[timber gate]

in 12hours max

[celest crescent]

hotfix would not be enough, hope for some solid bans there

[gleaming geyser]

It might be fixed during the current maintenance

[timber gate]

yeah cuz rio people

[snow juniper]

guy pinned it in the outlaw discussion channel

[timber gate]

broke record

[grim jay]

What did you expect if you swap to caustic for any number of adds already brother

[snow juniper]

[worthy bear]

is master assassin only good in m+ for the vanish+KB buff? or is it even worth it if we vanish for bleeds?

[grim jay]

You can stay on one in many cases

If not most

[fallen arch]

Nothing wrong here

[grim jay]

And if you have no IC you apply rupture manually

To 5 targets

[bleak ledge]

Go into outlaw channel if you want cope overload and brain damage

[royal lantern]

thats nothing new lol

[grim jay]

Nothing new

[fallen arch]

Welcome to outlaw

[grim jay]

Yes always 5 +

[somber galleon]

Nothing wrong they are playing outlaw cus its fun 100%

[pseudo cosmos]

Yikes if that’s not a fattest red flag for blizz idk what is

[arctic socket]

Yall think blizzard will clear IO from those people bug abusing

[icy comet]

!fuu

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[snow juniper]

so hows everyone doing

🙂

[fallen arch]

You’d think but god knows at this point

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1299007096637096019/image.png?ex=671ba222&is=671a50a2&hm=bcdcb0a7b98dea1e81cc8736443dbfdd031612a424f7f060b65c048007b00233&

[worthy bear]

is master assassin only good in m+ for the vanish+KB interaction? or is it even worth it if we vanish for bleeds?

[grim jay]

Hope they remove rio and ban them, but noone knows

[arctic socket]

Including tanks / heals?

Or just the rogues

[pseudo cosmos]

[pseudo osprey]

Guys

[grim jay]

Only fok in aoe unless you need to apply caustic ye, might be 1 fok might be 5 foks tho

[arctic socket]

Hopefully they remove the io gains from all and ban the filthy outlaw players 😦

[grim jay]

Ye thats what I hope for

[amber brook]

How'd outlaw get to there

[pseudo cosmos]

Bugged

[worldly sail]

outlaw gamers are just better

[snow juniper]

whispyr talks about it in his new video. i believe we are still vanishing the tail end of kingsbane for garrote replication

[candid mural]

what is happening this patch ? What did i miss

[grim jay]

One can dream ig

[amber brook]

Same with beast master

[strange lotus]

!tea

[zenith prairie]

why servers down

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[amber brook]

How'd they get there

[icy mantle]

CASUALDDIC BUILD

[worthy bear]

i wasnt sure whether he talks m+ or ST

[grim jay]

Eww

[snow juniper]

dont worrry about it bug abuse

[grim jay]

Im sure it sims great on 8t patchwerk

[vagrant brook]

if you're fighting 6+ targets it's a small dps increase if you tab target when spreading dots
if <6 there's no penalty
after IC just manually reapply up to 5 targets if they're going to live long enough

[pseudo osprey]

i need help, the guide on wowhead says Deathmark BEFOR Kingsbane. But that doesnt make sense to me ?
like wouldnt you want to
Kingsbane>Shiv> Deathmark to Duplicate your 2 lethals + 2 Enhanced lethals. with deathmark which would apply your lethals 8 times makeing your Kingsbane dmg skyrocket ?

or does the duplicated Poisons not count towards Kingsbane ?

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[spice surge]

Deathmark duplicates both current and future poisons

[west crown]

When your packs last that long and you are that good. Take that. Oh also be top 10 rogue

[royal lantern]

WHERE IS COMPETITIVESOBER BUILD?

[viscid spear]

What's the exploit for Outlaw?

[grim jay]

Where is the musclebrah build

[spice surge]

So you'd want deathmark up before kingsbane so you can duplicate as many poisons as possible during kingsbane

[arctic socket]

You press funny buttons

[grim jay]

Check in outlaw

[snow juniper]

https://tenor.com/bWx2M.gif

[spice surge]

Also you dont want to cast deathmark instead of an ability that applies poisons during kingsbane

[amber brook]

That bug looking like that one shot bug from remorseless winter

[fallen arch]

Permaban this guy

[amber brook]

critter abuse

[viscid spear]

I play Sin, I hate Outlaw.
I just want to know what the deal is

[fallen arch]

Its a bug

[arctic socket]

Poor critters

[pseudo osprey]

that doesnt make sense to me but you guys are the experts

[fallen arch]

Check outlaw channel pins

[vagrant brook]

that's exactly what i said

[arctic socket]

Kinda wild outlaw channel someone pinned it so now everyone will do it

[amber brook]

But beast masters? Are the buffs so potent or just bugs again

[grim jay]

Ye it was just a "you can post this instead of explaining and doing all the typing"

[vagrant brook]

i guess but people see more than 1 paragraph and dont read it

[snow juniper]

i mean outlaw channel right now is full of sprouts and regulars screaming at each other

[crimson current]

they will hotfix this soon prob

[pseudo cosmos]

Fotm players

[halcyon grail]

What in the FFXIV ...?!

[grim jay]

The more the merrier. Gotta make a ban worth it

[snow juniper]

tell me this isnt a sprout

[arctic socket]

Might go home from work early to time the last 12 I need

[gray horizon]

I tried the outlaw thing out on a dummy yesterday and it was incredible

[pseudo cosmos]

Out omegalul law

[orchid loom]

Hey guys, i was looking at Zerocools build, he is running Follow The blood in this build, is it better now and worth taking?

[grim jay]

Wish I could go home earlier but im also done in 20 mins so its whatever

[gray horizon]

basically 100% uptime on everything and constantly crackshotting

[pseudo cosmos]

Soon banned cope law

[spice surge]

No

[orchid loom]

Thank you!

[gloomy tusk]

zerocool is smth else 95% of the time it isn t worth doing what he does

[fallen arch]

Exploit early and exploit often

U know the saying

[grim jay]

Thats the most disgusting cook ive seen so far

Follow the blood

[fallen arch]

Bro

[ebon lava]

does playing master assasin means to evenom before rupture ?

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats just stupid lol

[fallen arch]

Ur pic

[pseudo cosmos]

The guys also running extra vanish and also said don’t so gonna follow that advice too

[royal lantern]

like, most other things? sure

[fallen arch]

Is literally him

[royal lantern]

but follow the blood is just bad lol

[fallen arch]

Thats crazy

[gloomy tusk]

bro i love him but his talents are always fucked up

[fallen arch]

Love

Eh

Ok

[pseudo cosmos]

[grim jay]

You dont like love?

[gloomy tusk]

AS A CONTENT CREATOR

[fallen arch]

I love love

[royal lantern]

we play wow, we dont know love

[crimson current]

what is blizz planning on this server shutdown

[pseudo cosmos]

We play rogue*

[bitter saddle]

Yellow gang

[crimson current]

this indie ahh company

[crimson current]

at least here we play sin rogue

the coolest one

[bleak ledge]

Hold on let me get John Blizzard on the phone

[crimson current]

PLEASE!

[pseudo cosmos]

True and real and based

[snow juniper]

between a major bug in one of our specs, and the connectivity issues last night i figured it would happen

[bleak ledge]

[rough hull]

trying to control the ele shamans but they became too powerful now, they will fail

[pseudo osprey]

i get that now, i missunderstood how DM works, my question is why would you Shiv BEFOR KB and waste the 30 % free dmg on KB ?

[bitter saddle]

You only shiv before if you have 2 shiv

[crimson current]

i was just timing my COT 12 and suddenly shut down message on chat

[bleak ledge]

Shiv overlaps with 2 shiv

[candid mural]

any video guide to what button to press after patch ? Don't want to read and understand

[bitter saddle]

So you have shiv for whole kingsbane

[crimson current]

got so upset

[spice surge]

What? KB does a big hit at the start, but you only shiv before it if you have 2 charges

[crimson current]

fuckl blizzard

[thorn crater]

so with the macro u use 2 teas in the first DM

meh

[pseudo osprey]

i guess the guide im reading is fucked then xD

nvm

thanks guys

[coral ibex]

press the logout button

[spice surge]

Probably not if youre reading any of these

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-soyjak-soy-wojak-liberal-moment-wifes-boyfriend-gif-23635079

[spice surge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[crimson current]

same buttons

[thorn crater]

tell you what, find a fist weapon, go outlaw, abuse bug, get banned, get the chance to go out and touch grass

ez fix

[crimson current]

or that ^

[grim jay]

Hu? But I know you

[pseudo cosmos]

Tempting tempting

[deep gyro]

Lmao seems like a plan.

[kindred hinge]

From struggling to time 10 to timing 15, what a sucess story /s

[safe barn]

anyone here with 630 ilvl

how much are you simming atm

[crimson current]

as outlaw?

[kindred hinge]

Not me but yeah obviously outlaw

[safe barn]

i want to know the diference from my 624 rogue

[crimson current]

cool..

[west saffron]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[crimson current]

2m dg slice 628 rogue

5 min

[safe barn]

patchwerk

[pseudo cosmos]

Got better clearly

[crimson current]

idk i dont play raid to sim patchwerk

dont care

[bitter saddle]

Did one of you run the brd already? Are the trinkets there any good for us

[deep gyro]

I think i was 1.39 m approximately

[kindred hinge]

Incredible progression rate

[pseudo osprey]

would you consider the Fatebound or deathstalker M+ build to be better ?

[safe barn]

hmm ook ok, so, like 150k less

[bitter saddle]

I like stalker more

[arctic venture]

deathstalker Pumadace

[digital spindle]

what sort of damage are y'all pulling on wave 1 of awakening the machine

[deep gyro]

But i havent min max this week :/

[crimson current]

never played the FB

[grim jay]

If you dont play raid why do you sim with all buffs either way

You dont sim dslice with all buffs

[pseudo osprey]

i only played fatebound because deathstalker didnt work with echoing

[bitter saddle]

It did work

Only in the beginning it didn’t.

[arctic venture]

To still not.

me

[pseudo cosmos]

Just woke up and said nah I’d win

[crimson current]

good question, i actually just sim as dg slice

[pseudo osprey]

well guess Deathstalker it is

im never lucky with fatebound coins anwways

[crimson current]

ig either with or without the buffs, the upgrades would be the same

[ebon lava]

playing master assasins perk worth without 2x vanish ?

[deep gyro]

Deathstalker feels more fun 😄

[arctic venture]

by your name seens soo

lol

[pseudo cosmos]

Bruh I got the ick from roll the bones the coin flip fate bound was a instant no sir

[grim jay]

Id recommend disabling everything other than what either your premade group has or everything but bloodlust, because it technically isnt the same

[indigo crypt]

!wa

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[nova aspen]

wow

hope they get banned

[kindred hinge]

Even worse

[pseudo cosmos]

Just fix and reset back to yesterday Rio k thanks

[kindred hinge]

The thing is they may or may not be banned / rolled back. But their mate that abused the fact that Outlaw is banned will get scot free

[quartz locust]

outlaw channel is cringe as hell right now lol

[pseudo osprey]

yeah its just when i played Deathstalker i couldnt proc Darkest night

[grim jay]

They will get a rollback on the keys aswell if they roll back the rogue

[quartz locust]

people asking for tips on how to minmax the exploit

[pseudo osprey]

which was a bug back then due to echoin xD

[kindred hinge]

And you can't apply a blanket roll out to any key with an outlaw (ot sure if it is even possible) because there is some people playing having no intention to use that bug

[quartz locust]

gross

[subtle tundra]

rogue finally wanted

[kindred hinge]

Got kicked out of 3 key today when I refused to respect outlaw

[pseudo cosmos]

Bugged rogue finally wanted *

[subtle tundra]

i should spec outlaw

get into key

and swap

[crimson current]

i almost got kicked too

[pseudo cosmos]

No bro what you do is

[crimson current]

bros so desperate for early season IO kek

[pseudo cosmos]

You join as outlaw

Wait for the key to go

[grim jay]

But they still choose to have the outlaw in their group

[pseudo cosmos]

And Leave

[bleak ledge]

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

[grim jay]

Id say its reasonable

[frosty bridge]

wait that is big brain

[pseudo osprey]

whats teh outlaw exploit ? dont wanna abuse it im just curious

[kindred hinge]

And then you get blacklisted by the limited pool of people you can play with. yeah. Not so big brain.

[hidden wing]

Are any of the new bdr timewalking raid trinkets good for assassination? Any new bis?

[frosty bridge]

check outlaw pins

[quartz locust]

pinned in outlaw

[crimson current]

dont think so

[grim jay]

Its still a decision at the end of the day if you wanna be part of the bug abuse or if you dont want to

Imo

[kindred hinge]

The Key holder chose it, what about the 3 that were there for the rde ?

[cosmic flower]

New to assrogue, any direction for new players?

[grim jay]

Could potentially leave aswell, I would definitely

[kindred hinge]

I would rather sit key out for a few day and let the madness calm

[pale socket]

read the wowhead pin

[pseudo cosmos]

Tbh If you get blaxklisted by people who abuse bugs is that really a bad thing who would never get the Rio in the first place

[grim jay]

Agreed

[kindred hinge]

Rather than participate / grief

[crimson current]

read your talents, watch ppl playing sin rogue and read wowhead pin

[balmy prism]

it's crazy how openly people exploit

[crimson current]

u will understand ur spec

and good to go

[vapid geode]

Guys no one openly exploits this guy is legit https://raider.io/characters/cn/silver-hand/无双加 󠀀

[pseudo cosmos]

[kindred hinge]

Not so simple. No one care if it is someone else that use the bug/overtuning. Like the triple elem keys last night (not the same degree of fuckery I concede)

[amber brook]

Do they abuse outlaw on raid as well?

[subtle tundra]

well, china has to log their keys to get them on rio

[charred helm]

if you ask them, prob even they wont be able to explain why they want outlaw

[kindred hinge]

Yes

[manic forge]

Im looking at boss specific specs for the raid and wow's suggestions are different to the World of Logs breadown for the top 100 parses. which is best to follow? are the WoL ones just for the top 0.1% of players or should I copy theirs?

[soft niche]

i did that yesterday in a 12. i got kicked and they sent the 11 after that

[pseudo cosmos]

Yes ofc they do

[subtle tundra]

so he just didnt log his keys

[ebon lava]

xDDDDDD

[brisk fog]

anyone got the new rogue talents after update for st and mythic?

[neat smelt]

what a day to be alive, being asked if i can play outlaw for a high key

[pseudo cosmos]

Guys this morning people were being told by the raid leaders to play outlaw for progress

[deep gyro]

Wowhead and pins

[pseudo cosmos]

Gross asf

[granite zenith]

has anyone experience as assa on mythic queen? how does it feel?

[subtle tundra]

good

recommend

[manic forge]

isnt outlaw just abusing a bug at the moment?

[cerulean compass]

What's happening with outlaw ? xd

[tired gull]

exile played it last night, seemed solid

[pseudo cosmos]

Varas was blasting on queen

[grim jay]

Isnt the ele thing just bad tuning? I honestly didnt check. Like the outlaw bug is basically 5 steps you would normally never do

[soft niche]

https://raider.io/characters/us/hyjal/Sanchezz guy was doing 11s 12s last week
this week they got 16 mists

[normal mist]

Wonder how.

[cerulean compass]

LMAO

[granite zenith]

alright nice nice

[tacit otter]

just join and deplete their keys idk. super cringe

[crimson current]

🤔

[subtle tundra]

i did full prog on it

[vapid geode]

He just got a Good vault tbh

[crimson current]

yea he discovered a way to get all myth vault items

and uncapped crests

[cerulean compass]

HAHA I didn't saw that

[crimson current]

cool.

[normal mist]

Those are the type of players that deserve forced vacations

[kindred hinge]

Yep Elem was completely uber overtuned, no fool play here and outlaw abuse is way worse both morally and number wise. Still groups don't care they want to time and will use anything that is remotely broken intentionally or not

[cerulean compass]

? xD

[crimson current]

why only 1 if can have 3

[normal mist]

Right?

[tired gull]

there a bug?

[normal mist]

Yeah

[cerulean compass]

True, I wonder if they can get out the priest to get another rogue ? 🤔

[kindred hinge]

Or the key Holder will decide and the others are content to go for the ride

[amber brook]

Assuming Ele gonna get nerfed and outlaw fixed this maint?

[crimson current]

they can run 5 rogues

[kindred hinge]

Elem already hotfixed

[spice surge]

They did get nerfed

[fresh kelp]

maintenance is over and outlaw is not fixed

[crimson current]

like, they be tricks each other

[fresh kelp]

unfortunately

[crimson current]

with evasion

[kindred hinge]

Still really good but not insane tuned

[pseudo cosmos]

Nah need priest to dispel the affix

[crimson current]

and vanishing

kek

[amber brook]

Seems like getting into keys will be a pain

[pseudo cosmos]

Nah just say I’m garbagelaw and swap to assa

[kindred hinge]

It is normally it is even worse atm

Just sit them out for a few day

[crimson current]

which affix

[kindred hinge]

Or play with friends

[loud gull]

do we take MA over Sanguine Blades now ?

[crimson current]

12+ dont have affix

[loud gull]

in M+ hybrid build

[amber brook]

What a sad patch

[manic forge]

Sgould I be following the individual boss specs from wowhead or World of logs top 100 breakdown? theyre different

[late tusk]

mmm what is the point on slice and cie now? we dont even need to cast it no?

[spice spire]

@spice surge you got hot fixed?

[normal mist]

It isn't

[crimson current]

just unbind it

[normal mist]

We don't press it

[pearl flower]

Is outlaw still bugged

[normal mist]

Yes

[crimson current]

ye

[gusty mirage]

I used to do this in BFA, don't tell anyone

except I'd swap to Sub

and troll the key

[modest nexus]

!sims

[gusty mirage]

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[late tusk]

How can they do the things so bad then

[normal mist]

No idea

[pearl flower]

Ngl i hope ppl get some punishment for abusing bug to gain rating and logs imo

[normal mist]

Same

[crimson current]

i expect a rollback but dont think blizz will do so

[sinful shale]

should I dedicate today to key sabotage?

[agile geode]

I dont think Is possible

[charred helm]

Whats the bug?

[crimson current]

pinned on outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I do too, but I've also seen this happen forever and nothing happens outside of pvp

[frosty bridge]

Probably not a rollback, but they will just do the same thing they did in SL S4

they will lower key scaling so a 15 is a low key

[agile geode]

To fix this shit

[crimson current]

didnt play s4, what they did?

[frosty bridge]

so people who abused ele and outlaw for score wont matter

[spice surge]

Ye too hot

[frosty bridge]

They basically reduced the scaling per key, so a 25 wasnt a "high key" anymore

[charred helm]

giga chad bug lol

[agile geode]

I fear not

[frosty bridge]

they reset the season that way

[gusty mirage]

can confirm

[sudden swan]

Am I misremembering or did they also do that in season 2 DF after God comp became a thing?

[harsh anchor]

Good morning fellow ethical rogues

[crimson current]

dont think i like this

[frosty bridge]

cant remember

[crimson current]

but if thats a way to do

[frosty bridge]

I mean it fixes 2 issues

[cerulean compass]

You see, people were asking for an assa nerf and now there's outlaw

[frosty bridge]

It makes the current abusing of bugs and elemental shamans obsolete

[deep gyro]

Lol some are not ethical XD

[tacit charm]

we are all ethical wdym!

[frosty bridge]

and it fixes the key squish which the casuals hate

[strange python]

Isn’t OL bugged?

[sudden swan]

P sure that was when they went from 10% -> 8% per key

[kindred hinge]

That would be a bit counterproductive when they tried hard to keep the number of the highest key relatively low for this season but yeah thats a solution even though it sucks to have a reset because of bad actors

[fresh pelican]

ele aint bugged it's just overtuned af right ?

[frosty bridge]

Yeah but its super unpopular

[cerulean compass]

ol ?

[strange python]

Outlaw

[frosty bridge]

casuals hate the current way keys work

[harsh anchor]

Shorthand for oil

[kindred hinge]

And casual make wow turn yeah

[deep gyro]

Probably both.

[manic forge]

we dont take CT or Spatter for Rash? just ignore the adds completely then?

[frosty bridge]

both

[modest nexus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cerulean compass]

That was the joke

[frosty bridge]

why not?

it counts towards parse now

add damage, that is

[coral ibex]

casuals aren’t in keys they’re in delves getting hero track gear

[frosty bridge]

i mean, dont take CT, but take spatter

[strange python]

lol my b. Sarcasm is rough via text.

[deep gyro]

Sparter doesnt hit

[manic forge]

just looking at the top 100 parse specs on WoL

[deep gyro]

And ct they died to quick

[sudden swan]

CT isn't worth but spatter is fine

[frosty bridge]

i mean idk what category they are but

Many people hate the current key scaling system

[candid nacelle]

can someone explain me what i can change ?

[frosty bridge]

for people who push keys its kinda nice tho

[cerulean compass]

Lmao np !

[deep gyro]

Spatter for me at least the adds were being dropped to far to gain anything and other melee fuck em up

[cerulean compass]

Spec Kappa

[barren yarrow]

Outlaw is bugged from the looks of it.

[spice surge]

Ele got nerfed by ~10% so now its just overtuned instead of insane, similar to assa

[quaint hull]

ofc they do, they’re bad

[deep gyro]

In mythic at least

[pseudo cosmos]

The secret tech

[candid nacelle]

https://gyazo.com/11cc561603785491722baf4aebe638da

https://gyazo.com/604622cf576427ca4f3abee2403e2446

[frosty bridge]

the system is bad for the average player though

[strange python]

Can any of you gamers take a lot at my logs from keys and tell me what idiotic thing I’m missing?

[pearl flower]

I like keys being hard to push

[cerulean compass]

mb thought you talked about outlaw*