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[ivory flower]

no more SD is fun, auto tea no

[dawn heath]

.

So supercharger sims higher on ST than TTK build which suprised me

its 6k difference so its not by much

[agile mason]

!wa

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[shut pollen]

May I ask if the supercharger talent is working properly for you guys?

for me it does nothing

[sharp lily]

Its passive.

[lunar lotus]

its just +2 cp on ur next finisher

[gritty laurel]

it doesn't work with DN, nobody knows if blizzard considers that a bug or not. otherwise it just adds combo points to your finisher

[agile mason]

it doesn't seem to work with death mark or darkest night

[shut pollen]

oh ok so you don't have to do the minigame anymore?

[sharp lily]

Nope

Put a point in and pretend it doesnt exist

[ivory flower]

Someone wanna do a petition agaisnt automatic tea ?

[shut pollen]

assuming you have to pool energy anyway but sometime it pisses me off qq

[gritty laurel]

no

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna start a petition to remove tea so I don’t have to see you weirdos obsess over it anymore

[strange python]

am i only one feeling fclking input lag?

[ivory flower]

CUZ IN GOD WHISPYR WE TRUST BUT HE DIDNT REALIZE THAT IT SUCKS FOR M+ CUZ HE IS A RAID LOVER AND A M+ HATER. Yeh seems gods can also do mistakes

[strange python]

only rogue does it

[gritty laurel]

whispyr catching strays because this guy can't resist pressing buttons for 3 seconds

[real granite]

brother, autotea is just not relevant, the house is burning out of bugs and you want to save the fucking blankets

[ivory flower]

I feel better since I've been venting my rage here for 30 minutes

[gritty laurel]

may i suggest a diary next time?

[scenic mulch]

just go outlaw and have fun for a day

[real granite]

i would rather not being auto but its a clear case of who cares

[ivory flower]

thanks all, i feel better but i still want to do a petition

[balmy condor]

True, I have no idea what I’m talking about

Facts

There’s nothing that could model this

[west shale]

!fuu

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brittle quail]

[balmy condor]

You stand as the lone saint against the tide

[calm grail]

Any M+ cooking news since this morning?

[balmy condor]

Nah

[calm grail]

On raider.io I see alot of subter/MA homies with TTK

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’s good

[brittle quail]

thats good for pushng

low key sudden demise is king

[calm grail]

Just ran with this. Felt fine.

Was a ten tho, so maybe not high enough to get rid of SD

[coral ibex]

depends on your gear

[calm grail]

628

[thorn thorn]

Its ok its just bait

[cursive escarp]

does lethality has a bug with kingsbane now?

[errant jacinth]

Quick question - I just got set up for the assassination st spec that is recommended on wowhead and was reviewing the rotation and it does not mention if we should utilize the blindside procs for the free ambush - is this something we just don't use now or should this be used when it procs? Sorry if that sounds stupid I am just now undusting my rogue since fury warrior has been old yeller'd

[spice surge]

Always has been

[violet sonnet]

Of course it feels fine. Literally the old build without sudden demise. Feels really off when we take the spike out. Longest ramp in history

[cursive escarp]

oh, thx

[ivory flower]

this is just my feeling, and the details showin that i do less dps in m+ than before (cuz bugs +auto tea). the only thing i changed is that i did a macro shiv+tea and i deleted tea from my action bar. (mechanical memory issues)

[balmy condor]

Bro is crashing out over actually nothing

Is what it is

[thorn thorn]

You were given info on it yet you choose to scream mindlessly into the void

[violet sonnet]

Why? you still use it in dm and kings

[thorn thorn]

Its a nothing burger but you are making it out to be everything

Chill

[sharp lily]

You use it.

It just replaces Mutilate

[errant jacinth]

Thank you - maybe it was potentially missed on the rotation page for deathstalker

Appreciate the answer!

[acoustic roost]

And mutilate auto switches to ambush when it procs so you don’t need to put it on your non stealth bar

[sharp lily]

Its not something you have to expressly play around.

[proud dust]

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[errant jacinth]

ah thats what it is, I had Ambush on my non-stealth bar I hadn't realized it just replaces mutilate with Ambush when it procs

I will clear that off, thanks again

[novel parcel]

I saw somebody mention it. But with ttk, do you try to pandemic both stacks of envenom or just 1 and if the 2nd happens then thats cool?

[ivory flower]

i should try to pool before dm/kb. But dunno but gettin an auto is supposed to help us and not makin the spec harder. i was fine before it

[balmy condor]

it's not missed yeh

just auto procs

there's no way to avoid it

game forces you to consume the proc

[inner shard]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[violet sonnet]

It makes the specc harder ye. Were not allowed to fall under 30 energy else we wont have enough dmg in burst. Took 2-3 keys to get into it. am back to the same dmg as before but it feels so much slower

[errant jacinth]

Yeah it was my mistake, I had ambush and mutilate on the non-stealth bar and it was not flipping my mutilate to ambush because of that

[balmy condor]

pandemic is calculated off the lesser duration, but it's not pandemicing properly in sims currently so the best course of action is to just try and not waste uptime. Spamming is also fine generally speaking

[ivory flower]

yeah i should train and get used to btw

[balmy condor]

💀 you guys are not feeling the impact of tea bruh

placebo going crazy

"same damage as before" because you avoided tea for 0.2%

[violet sonnet]

Idk if i play it right that way. i mean works for 12s. Unsure if were really supposed to afk for so long

[ivory flower]

in raid i don't feel it

[stable cove]

there are very small small small windows where you have to pool like 3 min into the fight but its so minor

[novel parcel]

Cool thank you. And also thank you for all of the work to update wowhead and guides and everything, youre amazing

[icy girder]

supercharger not working for assa?

[balmy condor]

I try my best

[ivory flower]

but i swear that in m+ it matters

[balmy condor]

it is

[stable cove]

im talkin like for 4 sec

[thorn thorn]

It doesnt

[icy girder]

thx mate

[ivory flower]

when i go into DM without energy and without tea because it proc before

[sour oasis]

In M+ i agree

[ivory flower]

yeah it matters

[sour oasis]

But for’tea in raid is only 0.2% too ?

[thorn thorn]

Then dont proc it

[violet sonnet]

Ye in m+ it feels like a heavy impact. Raid was the same as before.

[thorn thorn]

It is quite literally that simple

[zenith cedar]

@balmy condor i tried to naively drag and drop ur envenom tracker into my WA pack bar and it doesnt work, is there anything I might be missing?

[cerulean osprey]

how far behind is fatebound compared to deathstalker mythic spec on wowhead?

[ivory flower]

so auto tea sucks, in raid nvm we have so much energy refund

[thorn thorn]

You have full control over when it happens

[balmy condor]

what did you drag and drop

[runic hinge]

Dm gives me a million energy cause it’s doubling my bleeds and poisons

[vagrant brook]

you don't need to pool energy for DM

[bold drum]

These tea conspiracies are crazy

[runic hinge]

Don’t gotta pool for that

[balmy condor]

like which aura specifically

[thorn thorn]

Its gotta be a troll acct or something I stg

[ivory flower]

yeah we have full control but it's frustating that someting that you could control is now auto and fuucks your gameplay

[zenith cedar]

The envenom one under the main aura bar group

[balmy condor]

yeah that's only for non twist the knife

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t fuck shit you weirdo

[balmy condor]

LE [envenom] is for twist the knife

[zenith cedar]

Ah, do I need both? or will the LE one be enough?

[thorn thorn]

You still have full control over it

Its not some magic that happens randomly

You know exactly when it happens and what causes it

There is no mystery

[calm grail]

I miss the good old days when combo points were attached to my target. Not me.

😢

[thorn thorn]

Avoid the trigger condition if you dont want it, it is very literally a simple as that

[vague raft]

i don't play sin, but I play it for broodtwister, can I play the exact same as last week or did shit change?

[onyx rain]

terrible take

[vagrant brook]

Raid Council talent build in wowhead

[violet sonnet]

Next u tell me that our herotalent is not bugged. Avoiding is annoying. Id rather be back to pooling and gettin a small punishment for spamming

[thorn thorn]

I wouldnt say hero talent isnt bugged because that actually matters

[vague raft]

i mean rotationally

[gritty laurel]

but you still get full value from the tea energy when it auto procs, how is that a large punishment? these arguments make no sense

[thorn thorn]

You still get the energy from it so its not wasted

[thorn fjord]

It’s not

[thorn thorn]

And the loss is super minor compared to the hero talent being bugged

[thorn fjord]

People just like to complain

[thorn thorn]

It quite literally does not matter

[thorn fjord]

It’s not a big deal at all

[proud dust]

I just wanna make sure I understand, is our goal maintaining two stacks of envenom as much as possible now with ttk changes?

[ivory flower]

means you''l not sign the petition?

you should

[thorn thorn]

I think making a petition for something so minor is silly and unecessary

[violet sonnet]

That whole having to wait 5-10sec and not pressing anything is ultra annoying. Fine in a fresh pull.. but if theres only 3 targets its way to annoyinh

[granite cipher]

i like auto tea because it gave me one less keybind

[thorn thorn]

Im only hearing how Sin plays in general

[hollow river]

I’d recommend reading the pins homie

[thorn thorn]

I like auto tea

[ivory flower]

and if do one for fukin fix the mark that fukin disappear 10 times in a whole dungeon?

[thorn thorn]

I dont use auto tea, but I think its a good change

[thorn fjord]

Haven’t had that happen to me more than twice

Through four keys

[ivory flower]

ewwwwwwwwww

[oak tangle]

Do you guys know what a petition is?

[thorn thorn]

I still wont sign the petition because its an important bug and will be fixed at some point

[verbal blaze]

they should just have both options as a pick and choose node so we don't have to have this argument

[unreal tide]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[thorn thorn]

It happened to me a few times during raid night

[ivory flower]

problem is "at some point"

[thorn thorn]

Thought I was going crazy

They fix it when they fix it

You are complaining to complain

[violet sonnet]

Know what? Fuck it. i bind tea to shiv. Remove it from the bar and dont give a shit if its autoused wrong. Overall no difference. Bossfights gl to the other classes. Wont have teas

[thorn thorn]

You are not worth my time to argue with further

[ivory flower]

lets go play fatebouund during it 😄

[winged basin]

Just play FB, and enjoy the RNG double dipping lethality

[wraith burrow]

Anyone have any ideas why my caustic splatter damage is 10 mil less than our other rogue? I'm stacked with everyone on queen for the root, i mutilate with rupture active...

[winged basin]

I’m having a blast lmao

[brittle quail]

hero talent being bug is still really small bug just go on outlaw and try to play it lol

[verbal blaze]

whats the cause of the mark bug

[ivory flower]

rng spec is so fuuuuuun

[balmy condor]

the LE one is set to load only with twist the knife talented, the regular one is set to load without twist the knife

[violet sonnet]

Apply herotalent

[wraith burrow]

whaddya mean?

[ivory flower]

i would rteally like to know

[arctic tusk]

is the tea macro for ST or aoe

[pine orbit]

!wa

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[ivory flower]

to avoid it

[arctic tusk]

basically double shiv or singel shiv

[ivory flower]

cuz i didn't understand why the mark disappear

[eternal hawk]

have they hotfixed the flensing knives on cloak yet or nahh?

[brittle quail]

max range/going in or out of range

[violet sonnet]

Use ambush as opener. If youre not forgetting your hero talent and your still so much behind. Wrong rotation.

[hollow river]

Afaik no

[brittle quail]

seems to be the only instance where i have encountered the bug

[ivory flower]

of range of wut ? means what ? that i can't loss a mob to afvoid a bolt ?

[brittle quail]

melee range

[ivory flower]

xd

i reroll

[oak tangle]

I have never experienced this bug

[brittle quail]

its onyl when you spam gcd and enter or get out of range

if you wait a bit or don't spam gcd it never happens

[ivory flower]

is war tank fun and whithout bug?

[violet sonnet]

go in the warr discord

[ivory flower]

i was playin fire mago but it seems it's gettin a 7% nerf in st, very fun for a non meta spec

[wraith burrow]

Its just my caustic splatter damage im talking about, not overall damage

[oak tangle]

Timing will be everything

[ivory flower]

wow just don't want that i have fun i think

[brittle quail]

assa is super fine

[ivory flower]

without bug

[slate crown]

The LE standalone aura and in my pack will work for both Twist and non Twist, but it's horizontal.

Whispyr's is vertical, like in his pack, but is only Twist, then he has the icon for non-twist

[violet sonnet]

You do less caustic if you fail to apply your herotalent at all. your opener must be ambush. That applies herotalent. Seen a few idiots not doing that before and wondering ..

[brittle quail]

again go on outlaw realise that except melee and cd def everything else can bug in one way or another

[ivory flower]

without auto tea ( or when gettin used to not drop below 30energy)

[thorn thorn]

Isnt Blade Flurry still falling off randomly

[violet sonnet]

Else as i said : wrong rotation guides should be in the FAQ

[ivory flower]

ewww thats seems worst that the mark

[coral ibex]

the best part of the rise of subt builds for assa is that we get to share the subt bugs that outlaw has, rogue solidarity

[brittle quail]

no we dont

it works for us

[slate crown]

If you get the standalone you can drag and drop the dynamic group wherever, it needs to be in a dynamic group though, and you can make the grow do whatever. The dynamic group controls where the bars generate

[hollow river]

[thick sail]

What on earth is this blank spot in the Weak Aura? I updated it and it has a hole in it @balmy condor

[coral ibex]

buddy

no it doesnt

[balmy condor]

all the sub bugs on abilities we don't have

[violet sonnet]

How do we feel about the 1% more dmg bug when speccing into extended cloak?

[slate crown]

Because the aura has "Load dragonriding off"

[coral ibex]

i promise MA bugs out

i will record it rn

[balmy condor]

should be where twist the knife goes but yeh probably what lisonna said

[slate crown]

Go into the load settings on the envenom aura and remove the dragonriding filter

[oak tangle]

I do not understand how people are hating on tea. You can literally ignore it and do same damage, you can literally bind it to shiv and do same damage. And you can even have more fun an awareness trying to play around not auto proccing it.

[brittle quail]

ma maybe but garrote doesnt go on cd

[thick sail]

Load Dragonriding? What the, ok hold on gonna try

[ivory flower]

IN RAIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[balmy condor]

in everywhere

but okay

[robust jetty]

Hey bois any info on the newest patch bugs and spec to play in Mythic +? From what i've seen top rogues have stopped palying Indiscriminate carnage and they're running Arterial precision

[drifting cloud]

because the 0.2% dps loss is too big while they play wrong race and run r2 enchants

[tired gull]

Hmmm it’s funny… I hear faint whispers from whispyr in here, as if he’s talking through a vessel to us

[gray raven]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

that is a raid build

[coral ibex]

MA falls off and is then reapplied by stealth

it should behave as imp garr

[ionic ermine]

!wa

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[outer lodge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[brittle quail]

still nowhere close to outlaw subt bug

and again garrote doenst bug

it so wild

[violet sonnet]

Getting around 15% less dmg out without teas in dm. Of course this would affect m+ bosses when started without any tea

[coral ibex]

yea but if this was in combat, MA would not reapply as you aren't stealthed

lemme see if i can record that

[thick sail]

I'm sorry, I am super dumb at this, what am I changing here?

[coral ibex]

its very strange that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to them

[ivory flower]

i'll do a fukin wa with a sound effect when i drop under 85 energy not use a fukin cd to not fukin use the fukin auto tea and the spec will be ok

[coral ibex]

bro

relax

[violet sonnet]

Should do a custom sim with the duration from opener to end of burst without teas skilled to show the diff?

[thorn fjord]

Pretty wild to me how so many people are down in the dumps about these changes… while im here totally vibing with them… spec feels amazing right now

[coral ibex]

it doesn't matter

ignoring tea entirely and letting it auto proc is a 0.2% loss

[brittle quail]

yeah it baffles me how stuff like that happens

[oak tangle]

But the trash is dead faster, don’t look in vacuums

[ivory flower]

IT IS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTT WHEN U PLAY IN M+

[civic cloak]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[ivory flower]

damn

[violet sonnet]

Autoproccing with 5 targets is impossible. It would autoprocc on the last dude standing. Wasted

[ivory flower]

delete it from action bar and macro it to shiv, play like before

[brittle quail]

your cooked it happens less in m+ you have infinite energy inside packs

[mellow sun]

man i hate the tea change

[thorn fjord]

We’re never getting the pizza party

[ivory flower]

excuse me bosses fight is like 2.30 to 5min in12-13

[raven egret]

What we talking about now? More people upset at tea that are not wanting to just learn to pool properly?

[oak tangle]

I think they’re just arguing for the sake of it at this point, you don’t change your name

[thorn fjord]

What you think bro

[violet sonnet]

Expect for the cool case if 1 target is left with 30% hp and it autoproccs then

[thorn fjord]

Same shit lmao

[gritty laurel]

they're multiplying

[ivory flower]

and you can' lose every tea stack

[honest needle]

i thought we dont have to use slice n dice anymore

[ivory flower]

and be fuked when you're on dc

cd

[coral ibex]

you dont' have to press snd at all

ever

it gets applied by envenom

[thorn fjord]

You can if you want tho… do you 😂

[zenith cedar]

I see cool, I use NaowhUI and am trying to incorporate one of them into it

[thorn fjord]

They gave you the option

[brittle quail]

your assa you have prio and funnel if one man is left standing with 30 hp there is a problem of focus in your group idk

and even then just pool properly

[honest needle]

so i can take snd off bar cok,pletely

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[oak tangle]

The people complaining about the tea change are probably the people who kept asking after the rework ‘do we need to stay above 50% energy for sanguine blades’

[vital flicker]

Yep cok

[honest needle]

and tea off bar as well

[quasi cape]

hello sorry to bother since im sure this has been asked 50 times in the past hour but, could someone point me to the sims on the discord for the new patch if there is any i don't seem to be able to find them, thanks

[thorn fjord]

Aotc gamers

[faint vessel]

FB in M+ still out? or is it closer than before?

[thorn fjord]

Eh you can

[slate crown]

Just make sure you use the dynamic group, you need both the Envenom (inside the group) and Envenom Bars (the group itself)

[thorn fjord]

You’d have to macro it to shiv

[violet sonnet]

Dont know what u pull. But with 2 prio targets in 1 pull its bound to happen.

[brittle quail]

its really close but defensive are worse so still not recommended

[faint vessel]

right right, ty

[ivory flower]

and people that don't think auto tea is a problem probably do 10+ key max

[zenith cedar]

Is there a limit to nested groups? I cant drop the grp into the one in my existing pack, just the individual WA

[thorn fjord]

Ok dude lmao

The best players in here have all said it doesn’t matter

But do you

[zenith cedar]

the SIM literally sdays its like a 0.1% difference

just play the game man

[violet sonnet]

Dunno every all rogues above 3k expect for zero (dunno about casual) also complain about it. it just feels like shit

[ivory flower]

wut now ? sorry if i don't hhave the fuking habbit to stay above 30energy gosh

[thorn fjord]

It’s gotta be a meme

Meme lord of the century

[zenith cedar]

the point is that theres no reason complaining because it doesnt matter

[coral ibex]

i predict the screeching will result in a tea revert

[oak tangle]

I don’t see the correlation between auto tea and +10 max, I’d expect those that can do above 10’s to have some kind of skill and ability to track their bars and play around talents if required. But I’d also expect them to not really care because it’s not a dps loss

[desert bluff]

yo is echoing repremand out now

[coral ibex]

or a choice node

[desert bluff]

like

[zenith cedar]

its just a placebo, you think it is bad, but it is actually not bad

[thorn fjord]

Or a server mute lmao

[desert bluff]

no more

[raven egret]

What are you smoking

[coral ibex]

yea reworked into shiv

[distant birch]

Be kind guys

[desert bluff]

is it better or worst?

[coral ibex]

[violet sonnet]

Its not about skill. We dont want to. No want. Niet, nein. Sua.

[coral ibex]

i liked ER, dont like supercharger

[desert bluff]

cuz i liked having 3 blue dots

[coral ibex]

same

thats why i took the points and went into 2/2 subterfuge instead

[desert bluff]

hehei might do that too

whats your damage like

[errant mauve]

anyone having trouble logging into blizzard app the past few days

[raven egret]

I mean subterfuge doesnt do much for you at all but you do you

[oak tangle]

It’s an added rule to the pooling logic, if you don’t want to pool, I have news about assassination for you

[coral ibex]

good? idk lol, i pump in the keys i do

[balmy condor]

I would tell you that it doesn't matter but you're not interested in having your opinion swayed, you're just in here to complain

so

I can offer a timeout perhaps so you can think about it quietly amongst the voices in your head?

[coral ibex]

12 seconds of master assassin during your kingsbane

[zenith cedar]

If you feel that the tea change is bad, I have some nutritional supplements to sell you

[balmy condor]

best I can do for you

[coral ibex]

is fuckin sick

[desert bluff]

thats so odd they did this to ass

[thorn fjord]

Is it though?

[drifting cloud]

dont bully french m+ mains, they already have it tough

[pine orbit]

we still usin tea twords end of KB?

[coral ibex]

FRENCH

[vital flicker]

look at this cursed bleed build I cooked up, at least he wouldn't have to use tea CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZMzwMMDAAAAAAzyMmlZAAAAAAotlZmhZmBGWmlBjxMzMzYmZGbbLjZA2mZZswYGzSjZbZYy2wwCA

[coral ibex]

[violet sonnet]

I dont need to pool if i know that the mob dies in the next 10sec. So i wouldnt want a tea. I only want to end his fucking existence and get my energy refunded from rupture.

[ivory flower]

give me a timeout, i'm fukin tiled and can't quit this channel by myself

[thorn fjord]

Let’s just all vibe out boys

[coral ibex]

you know you can solve the auto tea problem with one simple move

untalent tea

[desert bluff]

lmfao

[ivory flower]

ty

[balmy condor]

as thou wish

[zenith cedar]

Does WA have a limit to how many nested groups / auras can be within one?

[thorn thorn]

Please just give him a timeout

[ivory flower]

xd

[thorn thorn]

Im sick of seeing him bitch about nothing

[main blaze]

Bruh who isnt tiled.

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah I called it lmao

[ivory flower]

better for verybody

[main blaze]

We all tiled.

[thorn fjord]

Tiled?

Like what you put on the floor?

[coral ibex]

i have up to 4 nested groups at once, idk if thats the limit

[desert bluff]

can i ask whysper what she thinks about the echoing repremand changes

[balmy condor]

yeh, tiled symmetrically around an axis plane

[zenith cedar]

listen man, you c an still put up blue parses with or without the thistle tea change, dont worry bud

[balmy condor]

he* but I don't mind it

[sinful thicket]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[coral ibex]

well i guess its 3 groups and 1 aura

[desert bluff]

sorry gang

[balmy condor]

it's boring

[desert bluff]

my fault

[balmy condor]

but it's whatever

[oak tangle]

Sorry?

[zenith cedar]

Hmm I'm not sure whats going on with mine then

[balmy condor]

like you don't have to think about it at all, it's similar in power level

[desert bluff]

can i keep echoing and swap it out with something else

[balmy condor]

no gameplay attached

is what it is

[desert bluff]

like is it worthwhile

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor you gotta atleast enjoy the faster opener

[balmy condor]

I mean in m+ you can play subterfuge

[thorn fjord]

Feels less bloated

[balmy condor]

in single target you can play it or not

2x lethality is fine

but you don't track it and it doesn't impact your gameplay so idk why you would be compelled to avoid it

[zenith cedar]

very nice

[thorn fjord]

New feint is delicious too

[coral ibex]

i'm pivoting into subt for ST and m+

[desert bluff]

thank you kind sir

[coral ibex]

fuck it

[thorn fjord]

I tried it but didn’t enjoy it as much tbh

[coral ibex]

supercharger can suck my ass man

[desert bluff]

i just was really getting into the rotation and now its different and i dont like change 😦

[coral ibex]

i miss ER

[thorn fjord]

It’s ahead by 1.5ish for me in dalice

[brittle quail]

st i'm not sure about it but M+ i did too it feels really good

[balmy condor]

yeh subt is good

big fan of subt

just gotta make without a trace like -30s cd on vanish instead of the nonsense it is atm

[thorn fjord]

What’s the thing you like most about it

[balmy condor]

[vital flicker]

he said he was a fan of sub, I saw it, he's a traitor to all sin rogues

[brittle quail]

for st too or no

[balmy condor]

I like MA

[coral ibex]

MA does numbies

muh kb crits

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha

[balmy condor]

being able to move the mark is nice too on the first pull in grim batol which I am stuck in until the end of my years

open on the 3 pack then move the mark to the dragon

good stuff

[slate crown]

You cannot place Dynamic Groups or Groups into Dynamic Groups. That's the rule, if you have a dynamic group, it can only contain single auras.

For normal groups, I don't know the limit, but it's probably very high, and if you get anywhere close to it at any point you're almost certainly doing something else very wrong, I've never had to go deeper than like, 4, and that's for an entire WA pack, no specialized auras.

If you can't drop the group in, you're trying to drop it into a dynamic group. You can try to place the standalone into there, and it will probably behave strangely, but you're welcome to try, I can say that it will work in some sense of the word, the tracking will work properly, it just may look funny.

Otherwise, you just need to have the group outside separate. I used to have Envenom as a single aura in a dynamic group, but with this change I had to move it out. It is what it is

[hollow river]

That would be very dope

[thorn fjord]

Yeah see now you’re making a case lol… you’re not pressing ambush for anything but mark application tho I’m assuming?

[hollow river]

Gaining 1 vanish charge across a fight feels meh

[coral ibex]

don't you love running a single dungeon so many times you've optimized parts of it that other people literally dont think about at all

[balmy condor]

I have ambush on my stealth bar but yeh

[zenith cedar]

I dropped the standalone Whyspr one into my existing DG and it seems to be ok it just looks a little wider than intended, I can prob just change the display settings and be good to go

[coral ibex]

wait you can ambush for mark with subt??

[thorn fjord]

Yep

[vital flicker]

y

[coral ibex]

dude it just keeps getting better

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor having a calm day mate?

[coral ibex]

found the button to replace SND

ambush on 1

congrats bud

you got upgraded

[balmy condor]

no lmao

[hollow river]

Don’t you just use ambush in place of Mut

[sharp hazel]

Is the icy veins or wowhead guide the one to focus on

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor HAHAHAHA what the most asked question today? ttk is good?

[balmy condor]

argued with gf an hour after waking up and it's still FotM season

[brittle quail]

[balmy condor]

it's either how do we play ttk or "what m+ talent"

[thorn fjord]

I think mut can generate more cp?

[vapid terrace]

!wa

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[slate crown]

It really depends on the dynamic group but it can work for sure. Just know doing so won't necessarily work in any dynamic group every time, so do so with care

[zenith cedar]

I see, that t otally makes sense, thank you for all of the advice. I will point the NaowhUI people to your weak aura since their envenom bar is horizontal as a reference point to fix their own

[bitter solar]

I'd rather eat glass then live through another cycle of Deathstalker bugs. Was so miserable at the start of the expansion and we're here again.

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor sorry about gf situation, it will turns out good! You did a great job in pins! 🙂 people can find (idk honestly if they can) but is there.

[hollow river]

I know fuck all about pve builds so idk what priorities y’all are using, just assumed if you can press ambush instead of mut you would

[coral ibex]

oh wait mut>ambush just works with subt, dont need a separate bind

huge

[thorn fjord]

Goes back to I think last season where pressing ambush over mut ended up being a dps loss unless you were specced into something specific

I’m spacing out and can’t remember exactly what it was

But I know I still have the habit engrained to prio mut over ambush… mainly because of cp generation

Someone correct me if I’m being stupid tho lmao

[brittle quail]

i thought we want to always mut except when procs

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[brittle quail]

mb i'm stupid too x)

[thorn fjord]

We only ambush to mark

[brittle quail]

y

[hollow river]

Na I’m the pve illiterate one here

Dw

[mellow goblet]

im overall newb, but do we always open with ambush even with giga packs?

[bitter solar]

Ambush generate 3cp vs mut 2 with improved ambush in class tree, right?

[thorn fjord]

Only open with ambush to mark your target

Otherwise open with garrote

[hollow river]

That’s for Deathstalkers mark

[oak tangle]

probably irrelevant now, as vanish being used inside kb again, so your ambush chance is gonna be there

[mellow goblet]

yeah i know, but garrote opener seem huge for big packs with Iron wire, isnt it better sometimes? or im missing smlth

[cunning needle]

what do we drop ironwire for since it's been nerfed?

[thorn fjord]

You want to always have deathstalker mark out

If you don’t have one out you ambush prio target then gar

[oak tangle]

if you have DN prepared, you can open with anything

[thorn fjord]

If you have darkest night you open with garrote

[mellow goblet]

i see thanks, it's what i was doing, kinda, but now i know why

[turbid sandal]

Hmm so do we run MA in M+ now? Or are the wowhead builds still the go to?

[real granite]

drop ironwire?

[oak tangle]

do that at your peril

[cunning needle]

[thorn fjord]

Wowhead build is fine but you can swap sang and sudden demise for MA and TTK

[coral ibex]

when i have DN prepared

[neat umbra]

Rad I was wondering what the drops for TTK and MA were. Thx

[brittle quail]

read pin wowhead is good but there is some swap you can do

[coral ibex]

you can if you want, it has synergy with subterfuge in the class tree too

its a newer cook

[thorn fjord]

It’s simming higher also but not by much

[sinful thicket]

Subterfuging

[cobalt skiff]

if ur not speced into lightweight shiv for the m+ hybrid build, why do you have to save shiv for the last 8 sec of kingsbane instead of sending shiv with initial kingsbane cast?

[coral ibex]

because kingsbane ramps

[sinful thicket]

Ramp damage

[thorn fjord]

Subterfuge is looking like a decent qol option mostly but the build sims higher for people

[cobalt skiff]

i see

thanks

[gloomy otter]

does mainhand offhand slots matter? like where to wear what

[cloud basin]

Ovi'nax egg is simmin so high for me lol. It beats out a 626 sacbrood and Mandate for some reason

[coral ibex]

MH matters big time

OH not so much

[oak tangle]

the way kingsbane works, deals more damage at end

[coral ibex]

upgrade MH first, OH last(ish)

[hollow river]

Higher ilvl on mh

[neat umbra]

What's the drops to build into Subterfuge?

[gloomy otter]

tyty

[coral ibex]

i drop supercharger

and recuperator

[lyric cypress]

Ma is better than sd?

[brave swift]

idk i tried a variant that kept sanguine and sudden demise

dropped amplifier poison

and the connecting talent

to grab MA and shiv charge

feels good so far

[neat umbra]

Bet, gonna try this tn, thanks!

[coral ibex]

going to be better in higher keys than SD, SD is better when mobs die more quickly

[thorn fjord]

Nice

I’m just playing the Wowhead build

Hybrid

[real granite]

2 letha / 1 subt OR 1 letha / 2 subt ? thoughts?

[dreamy elk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[lyric cypress]

And SB over twist the knife?

[coral ibex]

no i take TTK over sanguine

[brave swift]

i see myself dropping sudden in anything 12+

[coral ibex]

i think you can probably take the talents you like and make sense together and it will be ok. like if you wanna play sanguine and SD you can

[dreamy elk]

Do we just drop slice and dice from our hotbars now?

[neat umbra]

Yep

[dreamy elk]

Siiick. SnD and ER binds gone. This is a great day.

[past bobcat]

is sac or void reaper better for silken ?

[oak tangle]

question about the team macro, does it not already block multiple teas inside a gcd?

[neat umbra]

Snd change plus feint off GCD absolutely goat changes

[novel star]

game is so bad

envenom uptime

what are we even doing at this point

[indigo mulch]

[real granite]

ye theres an option by default that puts a hidden "global cd" of 1 sec inside offglobal skills

the macro would "extend" that sec to 5

[honest needle]

can some 1 link me the best talent build for m+ cause im still using the old 1

[coral ibex]

yea but we got monkeys in here who can't not spam the shit out of their button

[vital flicker]

are you calling outlaw players monkeys?

[hollow river]

Wowhead should be updated afaik

[brave swift]

reroll ele

[silk sundial]

Tried the hybrid build without supercharger. Its a decent upgrade in both ST and AOE https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8rQzxpLMHaCbQy3UEEsWgG

[honest needle]

ok so wowhead is updated

[copper sun]

In single target, what combo point should i be envenoming on if I want to min-max?

[coral ibex]

5+

7 to consume darkest night

[oak tangle]

whilst i am a monkey, i also hate cast sequence so gonna take that crap out

[urban lily]

anyone using whisp WA? sometimes when i envenom with 5 cp it doesnt refresh TtK

[dreamy elk]

Couple of sin related questions:

1. When pins say max envenom uptime, just means let envenom buff tick down to low duration then refresh (but still benefit from rapid injection)?
2. When KB is active, you still want to finish at 5CP or is it always 2x mutilate -> envenom?

[oak tangle]

i spent all day yesterday trying to make a weak aura to track each envenom charge, it's cooked trying to track things

[dreamy elk]

Also, anything special about playing around TTK?

[tight reef]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[vital flicker]

I like that everyone is asking about the tea macro but none of the button spammers are complaining about spamming feint because they aren't using their defensives

[copper sun]

Feint is GCD

[cunning needle]

bold of you to think i have that bound

[vital flicker]

lol no it isn't

[honest needle]

im debating if i should try master assa or twist the knife wow head dont use it

[urban lily]

someone doesnt read patch notes

[copper sun]

I actually did not realise

I swear it used to be xD

[oak tangle]

it did

[balmy condor]

Standard procedure to ignore resources, I’m used to it

[oak tangle]

im doing grocery shopping, any suggestions

[balmy condor]

12 feet of rope

[vital flicker]

alcohol and painkillers

[balmy condor]

An industrial can opener

3 olives

[urban lily]

@balmy condor whisp sometimes when i envenom with 5 cp it doesnt refresh TtK, prob something off with the WA?

[oak tangle]

too much effort, alcohol drugs and harware not sold in our grocers

[balmy condor]

A wind up racecar

[glacial crypt]

RED BULL

Comic con tickets

[balmy condor]

Bit buggy weakaura, Lisonna has updated it today so I’m gonna update my pack when I get home

[oak tangle]

get triggered

[glacial crypt]

omfg

get grapes

and strawberries

[keen spruce]

gerps gud

[cunning needle]

woolies 👎

[vital flicker]

anyone who is going shoppin this week should buy another computer monitor so they can look at Wowhead while they do other things like looking at discord or playing wow

[balmy condor]

Take a melonball, cut it in half, and then scan that at the self checkout

[uneven plume]

guys i gotta question. Would youi rather take, 626 tier helm with socket and avoidance, or 639 mythic tier helm with no sockt and avoidance

[neon thunder]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

The mythic

[glacial crypt]

take the ilvl

the socket value is nowhere near that many ilvls^^

[oak tangle]

it's only cause i got everyday rewards, and i know im falling into the fallacy

[uneven plume]

not even the avoidance for high keys?

[vital flicker]

ilvl for high keys

[glacial crypt]

That's something you'd know yourself if you're there

[cunning needle]

get a phone plan with them as well and save even more

[balmy condor]

You’d be a clown to walk into keys with a hero helm brother

[cunning needle]

10% off once a month or something

[balmy condor]

+0.5% avoidance -2% hp

Incredible work

[hushed elbow]

how much worse is not taking subterfuge? this feels awful

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[oak tangle]

i really should pay their service, cause then i get free delivery

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge is probably better than alternatives

[flat sentinel]

spyglass out simming sac atm for me

for st

[balmy condor]

Nice

[acoustic roost]

Stats do be statting

[flat sentinel]

yeah guess il run that tnight

[balmy condor]

Me when my stats and I equip so then my other stats and now stats because when stats I stat

[glacial crypt]

ssssssss

[balmy condor]

Is that British for zzzz

[glacial crypt]

No I typed like I stuttered

[balmy condor]

I can’t read it through your heavy accent

[glacial crypt]

since when I read what you said outloud i started just going "ss sss s s"

[glacial crypt]

shut up

[balmy condor]

Cockney nice this time of year?

Or is it just always ugly

[glacial crypt]

WHERE?

I'm in freaking LONDON rn for COMIC con

[copper sun]

Im getting this weird bug where pressing my fan of knives randomly uses my thistle tea

Anyone else encountered this?

[glacial crypt]

i spent money to dress up as a bunny in a warehouse

[oak tangle]

lunden mayte

[balmy condor]

Wangfiddlevillington get some sun recently?

[glacial crypt]

😭

[balmy condor]

Is it auto proccing mayhaps

[glacial crypt]

Scotland has nice weather rn it's always drizzling this time of year

[copper sun]

How does that work?

[balmy condor]

You drop under 30 energy

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

Tea drinks myself

[glacial crypt]

30 n r g gets you a tea yummy

[balmy condor]

Itself

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahahaha-gif-23474087

[balmy condor]

Themselves?

[glacial crypt]

Hmm

Itself

[cunning needle]

what does the tea identify as

[glacial crypt]

it's your myself

[copper sun]

Is that a talent doing that or what?

[glacial crypt]

not your myself its

itself no themselves

[cunning needle]

the tea has a mind of its own

[balmy condor]

Thistle tea does that

[oak tangle]

to the people wanting a petition about bugs before, you know what we should ACTUALLY have a petition about?

renaming tea to coffee

a choice node even

[glacial crypt]

You what

[balmy condor]

Okay but 3 tea charges means it’s plural right so should be themselves

[copper sun]

Im fucking oblivious I guess

When tf did they add that?

[balmy condor]

Tuesday

[knotty vapor]

am i going crazy or do my abilities just randomly fucking miss sometimes... currently on queen and there's like a 1/10 chance my ambush misses and destroys my opening damage

[glacial crypt]

no the charges don't change the amount consumed

[oak tangle]

ima press my thistle coffee

[glacial crypt]

the singular tea consumes itself when you do the 30 n r g

[balmy condor]

But each of them can drink THEMSELVES

[glacial crypt]

whilst the other two teas consume not themselves

[runic hinge]

She parry

[knotty vapor]

from behind???

[glacial crypt]

HELLO?

[copper sun]

Could that be cucking my gameplay during raid?

[balmy condor]

Haha hey :3

[balmy condor]

No

[glacial crypt]

i didn't read the parry context holy fuck

[knotty vapor]

lol

[balmy condor]

Auto drinking tea is very very minor dps loss

[slate crown]

It's like having a syringe of caffeine taped to your side so when you lean over from falling asleep you get injected

[cunning needle]

you know i swear they upped parry chance by 300% this patch

[balmy condor]

Inconsequential

[cunning needle]

i didnt parry nearly as much last week

[copper sun]

Ok ty ❤️

[cunning needle]

suddenly im parried 3x in a row

[glacial crypt]

This is actually

[uneven plume]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[glacial crypt]

I love that

But then maybe right what about

[oak tangle]

it's all a ploy to stealth buff sub and trickster

[runic hinge]

She got like 8 legs bro. She can parry you from all angles

I’m kidding

[glacial crypt]

Assa Coffee
Outlaw Rum
Sub Tea

[cunning needle]

trueeeeee im so going back to sub

nobody askes stupid questions in there about rotation

because noone plays the spec

[neon thunder]

!wa

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[wispy epoch]

For your plater, if something has Mark and Caustic Spatter on it, what color does it prio? @balmy condor

[stray adder]

has anyone tried a key without sbs today?

[silent stratus]

!wa

[balmy condor]

Orange-ish

[silent stratus]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

Idk what to call it

[wispy epoch]

mango

[magic fossil]

magenta

[balmy condor]

Tf you just call me

[knotty vapor]

also what's the deal with supercharger, is there a blurb on it in the guide? Idk how to play around it now

[runic hinge]

You don’t

[cunning needle]

🥭

[vital flicker]

you don

[cunning needle]

you just play the game

[knotty vapor]

okay i thought so

[runic hinge]

You just always build to 5 and it plays itself

[knotty vapor]

i assumed since there was no buff I just wasn't supposed to give a shit anymore

but had to be sure

[cunning needle]

ye

shits given = approx 0

[oak tangle]

do i have to build to 5 though, in a niche case where i want to slam in a rupture or some shit, around a shiv time, can i finish on low cp to save the gcd to keep up envenom buff

[stray adder]

i love when i forget to re-apply poisons before a key and I get negative energy regen mid boss fight, skill issue fr

[oak tangle]

or is supercharger just +2

[magic fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-guy-no-nope-shakes-head-gif-15704172

so many questions

[cunning needle]

pretty sure our sark kill has me applying poisons mid fight

[glacial crypt]

I love the questions

any coachers???

[stray adder]

style points for sure

[glacial crypt]

I hear @balmy condor loves helping people

[shy pecan]

@balmy condor can you coach me?

[balmy condor]

No but I can couch you buddy haha hey, the names j d Vance

[oak tangle]

i was gonna copypaste his coaching bio, but its gone

[vital flicker]

@balmy condor can you read the wowhead guide to me as I fall asleep?

[shy pecan]

[maiden wasp]

what do I drop to take subterfuge gang

[balmy condor]

Te pins

Da peens

[stray adder]

ze peens

[fallen moss]

hey peeps. is there a focus macro that works on voracious worms (ovinaxx) to target + add mark?

[glacial crypt]

That would just wake me up ngl

like holy shit we're talking ASSA ROGUE?

[magic fossil]

os alfinetes.

[glacial crypt]

DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW SHIV WORKS NOW?

[glacial crypt]

yes

let me send

i have the thingy ON HAND

[balmy condor]

What if I read you the APL line by line

[glacial crypt]

/focus [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [harm]
/run SetRaidTarget("focus", 8)

1 - Blue Square
2 - Green Triangle
3 - Purple Diamond
4 - Red Cross
5 - Yellow Star
6 - Orange Circle
7 - Silver Moon
8 - White Skull

[vital flicker]

I'd take it

[glacial crypt]

You need assist for it obviously

OBVIOUSLY

[balmy condor]

Including all the AI garbage that gets sifted through from an anonymous source I have blocked

[midnight mist]

WHOSPER

[glacial crypt]

omg hi sac

[midnight mist]

tell me is assa buffed in m+

smol number

[balmy condor]

It is

[midnight mist]

%

wtf no wae

[glacial crypt]

whimpy was just talking to me about how much he loves your brain

[errant mauve]

do we drop lethality and supercharger for subt?

[balmy condor]

Couple % yeh

[midnight mist]

give numvber cuh

dont do me like that

[balmy condor]

Uh

[glacial crypt]

69%

[stray fox]

Is MA w/o subterfuge in m+ good too? Or are they a package deal

[midnight mist]

i was happy outlaw buff was having it catch up a bit

[balmy condor]

Whatever the difference is between 1.89 and 2.05

[midnight mist]

no wae you guys do me like that

[glacial crypt]

the critter buff?

[midnight mist]

oh ok

hm

well

[balmy condor]

Is that like 6?

7?

[glacial crypt]

wait

[subtle cipher]

@balmy condor but about about charger?

[midnight mist]

gg i guess

[glacial crypt]

0.11 + 0.5

[midnight mist]

how do you guys keep getting away with it tho

[balmy condor]

What

[subtle cipher]

did you charged these nuts?

[stray adder]

zac is awake at 4-5 am right now

[subtle cipher]

[stray adder]

madman

[midnight mist]

bro idk

[glacial crypt]

@midnight mist real?

[balmy condor]

I’m Stu locked

[midnight mist]

i played 12 h straight today

[glacial crypt]

how close to london are you zac

come comic con

[midnight mist]

and i realized i forgot to eat

[balmy condor]

[midnight mist]

kinda wild

[subtle cipher]

[stray adder]

he lost his senses

[glacial crypt]

eat the caps of the red bull cans

[midnight mist]

8%

wtf

[thorn fjord]

Nah he was just locked in

[balmy condor]

Sure yeah

[midnight mist]

no wae you guys got a 8% slice buff

or

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[stray adder]

nah dude nerf Ele sham

[midnight mist]

ok whatever im so done

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge is a good talent

[glacial crypt]

leave ele sham alone

[stray adder]

redirect the attention to ele

[vital flicker]

does it hurt to say that?

[balmy condor]

No

I love subterfuge

[midnight mist]

sin got buffed like 3 times in a row while being the top dps spec in m+

[thorn fjord]

It sucked when it sucked

[stray adder]

12 sec iron wire

brrrrrt

[glacial crypt]

and the channel has been giga yap all day it's been very fun

[shy pecan]

@midnight mist nerf outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Oh he’s used to that

[shy pecan]

[stray adder]

kick outlaw while its down

[vital flicker]

fix outlaw

[glacial crypt]

GOOD IT'S FUN

[midnight mist]

also you guys can take vanish now right

[stray adder]

cap blade flurry at 4 target

[urban lily]

just realized you can shadowstep ansurek venom nova lol

[vale lantern]

#fixoutlaw2024

[thorn fjord]

Make it Inlaw

[coral ibex]

dont do this

[oak tangle]

#fuckoutlaw

[urban lily]

make me

[stray adder]

pirate rogue

[errant mauve]

do we take 1 point in subt or drop supercharger and take 2?

[balmy condor]

People keep asking me that though as if I’m like the biggest hater or something and it’s legit so misplaced. I want bleeds to be good in m+, subterfuge is good, I want subterfuge to be good and bleeds to be good and multidotting to be good and even without a trace is fine.

I’m always hating on them because they sucked and I want them to be better, not because I hate the talent

[glacial crypt]

The only thing that really matters is exsanguinate doesn't exist

[thorn fjord]

Ok so which talent DO you hate

[balmy condor]

Systematic failure

[thorn fjord]

[stray adder]

ill answer it

[wintry pagoda]

Howd you approach fatebound class tree wise? just sac subterfuge for coldblood? sac tea for coldblood?

[vital flicker]

that makes a lot of sense, I always felt the same way about bleeds and subt so I was excited that they buffed it... without a trace is still garbage though

[balmy condor]

I think systemic failure and vicious venoms limit a lot of access to zoldyck in m+ and aoe situations

[wintry pagoda]

[balmy condor]

And that’s not good

Like tiny toxic/arterial

Has the potential to be really good

But it’s always cockblocked by being behind unplayable garbage with systemic and vicious

[glacial crypt]

love this talent

[balmy condor]

The ovi’nax build with CT and arterial is one of my favorites of all time

[novel star]

stepping it probably gains you like an auto attack

after bomb

stepping it without getting in the bomb is raid terrorism

[balmy condor]

I think it’s a really cool build with a lot of skill expression in shiv timings and knowing where your damage comes from at what times

[thorn fjord]

Ovi build is a lot of fun yeah

[balmy condor]

Like it’s a VERY fun and complex and deeply rich build

[novel star]

youre very complex bby

[oak tangle]

CT always gonna leave a bad taste in my mouth

[stray adder]

how rich we talkin

[glacial crypt]

💸

[balmy condor]

Quadrillions of pesos

[thorn fjord]

CT on brood makes so much sense tho

[stray adder]

pretty sure thats 40$

[thorn fjord]

It feels really good

[subtle cipher]

take subterfuge and take sudden demise

[midnight mist]

guys !

[thorn fjord]

Play style on that fight is smooth as butter

[subtle cipher]

let your tank be a big boy

[arctic bramble]

is the event dagger good for offhand?

the one deal 300k bleed over 30s

[novel star]

no

[midnight mist]

I thank you all for your patience with me earlier today

[arctic bramble]

😦

[novel star]

none of the items from brd are good

[midnight mist]

good channel

[thorn fjord]

Gonna practice the subterfuge build more

[oak tangle]

but you guys remember CT spam, to get the intial hit right??? don't blame the son for the father i know, but...

[midnight mist]

i will remember

i might come back in the future

[thorn fjord]

The benefits outway the comfort

[stray adder]

I wish you live a life full of croissant zac

[midnight mist]

you guys arent the enemy anymore

[thorn fjord]

This is a bad representation of how it normally is in here =0

[novel star]

i apologize for being so angy zac

youre alright for a pirate

[midnight mist]

its ok i do the same

[thorn fjord]

Zac is goated

[novel star]

lmao based

[midnight mist]

when i talk to people that dont understand

sometimes

[novel star]

its just

[midnight mist]

its hard

[stray adder]

fotm cucks

hate em

[novel star]

5 million annoying messages in one day

[thorn fjord]

It’s like watching a car crash though I haven’t been able to leave

I’m usually not in here this late lmao

[silk sundial]

Will heroic brd kills fill up our vault slots? Got 3 kills in. I hope the vault doesn't roll brd loot

[stray adder]

this channel was more entertaining than reddit today

so many mental breakdown happening

[thorn fjord]

Homeboy took the mute earlier

[oak tangle]

i have not been here for as long as i was during the original rework, but like.... this still not as bad as "do i need to stay above 50% energy" every 3 posts

[thorn fjord]

Was great

[ripe rapids]

What would be the M+ spec with Subterfuge/Master Assassin?

[thorn fjord]

📌

[bleak ledge]

check pin

[balmy condor]

I’m about to be your enemy I’m splitting pooling logic by build cause raid builds is 0.3% and dungeon builds are 1.1% to pool, so I’m just hard removing pooling from single target and keeping it in for dungeon builds good luck deciphering it buddy

[thorn fjord]

Yo Guy got CE playing on an Xbox controller??? Lmao

[runic hinge]

Who did

[thorn fjord]

Someone complaining about tea

But I think it was a meme

[midnight mist]

wtf

[balmy condor]

(I think it’s basically just if you don’t have dashing you should pool into kingsbanes and if you do have dashing you just go full ape but idk yet)

[thorn fjord]

I’m hoping for the latter

[balmy condor]

It’s not an either or

[novel star]

for real

[balmy condor]

That’s one thought

In totality

But I’m tempted to tack the pooling logic onto a carnage check

Instead of a dashing check

Just depends how the numbers add up idk

[novel star]

god i love going ape

[stray adder]

dicks out for harrambe

[ebon notch]

There’s no flat % increase yet right

For the buffs?

Or did I miss it

[sick orbit]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

In 2024?

[stray adder]

we talked about going ape

[balmy condor]

6-7% in st and around that in dungeons

[ebon notch]

That’s kinda huge

Jesus

What does that put the bid profile at

[bleak ledge]

man, should have rerolled outlaw for 11.05 these mythic top logs are looking THICK

[oak tangle]

you take that back

[stray adder]

I almost fainted reading that

[thorn fjord]

!wa

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[runic hinge]

Damn I missed it

[glacial crypt]

nooo it'll happen again don't worry

[indigo mulch]

Someone was losing their mind earlier about tea in m+

;s

[ripe rapids]

Do you not run Supercharger if you want Superterfuge?

[glacial crypt]

supersuper

[eternal hawk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[stray adder]

you dont

[upper wraith]

higher ilevel wep always mh slot? cant remember

[indigo leaf]

@slate crown hi i'm using your twist the knife weakaura and i'm wondering how i can edit the width of the bar? changing the height works but width doesn't, presumably because of the custom stuff. i looked through some of the code but didnt find anywhere where the width would be defined

[hollow river]

Yes

[indigo mulch]

damn it did not take them long to start nerfing ele shamans lol

[stray adder]

I told you

nerf ele

[ripe rapids]

So this would be the M+ spec with MA/TTK

[stray adder]

I dropped recup for WaT

[novel star]

put recup in lethality

or double vanish but thats cringe

other than that though yes

[indigo mulch]

I feel like they should stick something extra onto double vanish ;s

it just dosen't feel very good to take to be fair

[real granite]

i dont feel like dropping sb for sbs

[glass root]

any tips for Delves?

[real granite]

i like more dropping doomblade and sbs for sb and sudden

sb is 5% +- on a dung, its huge, sbs its 2% at most plus 1 global on every restealth

now that we got MA on restealth, fok will go 7cp almost always

so having to press 1 extra global per pull/restealth+rup reset in exchange of sb seems fair to me

plus doomblade is also garbage on its own

but the numbers will tell ig

[strange python]

is drakthyr good for rogue or i should keep going with my vulpera? 😄

[slate crown]

Hi, yes the width is set in the group, not the sub aura.

The aura's width is overridden by the custom grow code in the dynamic group. The grow code takes every bar inside of it and stretches the bars so they fit evenly into the same width regardless of how many bars there are. It's how the aura stays the same width for ttk vs non ttk.

Inside the grow code is a width setting, totalWidth here. You can modify this width to adjust the overall width of the group, which will stretch the inside bars to fit.

Putting this one into the "potential customization options" bucket for future versions so you don't have to edit code for this.

[fallow canopy]

kind of a random question but does anyone know of a PoV video of a rogue on mythic silken court?

[runic hinge]

Tricks brann AFTER you open

[rotund oak]

set brann on healer with arrow+amorphous,dont die 🙂

better spec sub,its faster

[scenic nacelle]

!wa

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[plain whale]

!wa

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[vagrant brook]

imagine

if tiny toxic blade

[spice spire]

Don’t

[vagrant brook]

put shiv off of the GCD

[spice spire]

Don’t

[vagrant brook]

that would go massive

[vital flicker]

imagine if amp poison connected to tiny toxic blade on the talent tree

[spice spire]

Okay

Imagine if

[glacial crypt]

that goes hard

[spice spire]

Your name is rang

And some pings you

And you’d always go

“You rang?”

[glacial crypt]

@vagrant brook

[spice spire]

Damn

[glacial crypt]

we have a rang

[vagrant brook]

damn that would go crazy

[spice spire]

Ik I’m literally doing his bit rn

[glacial crypt]

He has his own bit??

[spice spire]

Well their bit

[glacial crypt]

that's like a cartoon character bit