assassination

[coral ibex]

in options, search bar "personal resource"

[crimson jackal]

Personal bar in plater addon

[drowsy hatch]

you want to have enough to maintain 2 during all of kb

[coral ibex]

no, that is the default personal resource display

[drowsy hatch]

so you might have to pool a TINY BIT

but probably not

[crimson jackal]

Ah mb, i have all that turned off and plater has a similar thing 😂

[coral ibex]

me too

found here

just untick it

[strange python]

I still say feint off GCD is biggest change 😂

[drowsy hatch]

feint off gcd is just rad

[crimson jackal]

Did they make that a thing?

[drowsy hatch]

yeah

[coral ibex]

yesterday yea

[crimson jackal]

Going to wear out thay key now, like my undies

[drowsy hatch]

smash that

[crimson jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-keyboard-smash-gif-15394889

[turbid nymph]

Is the new tea mechanic boring ?

[strange python]

@balmy condor , out of interest....why is elusiveness not the recommended m+ talent? Is it because cheat death kinda covers all levels?

[crimson jackal]

More annoying 😂 for me

[woven shore]

atx

now found it

[coral ibex]

hot take: tea is a bandaid and shouldn't grant energy at all

[strange python]

Haha ama go look wowhead again for added notes 😂

[turbid nymph]

I swear i dont understand why they would make this shit automatic

[drifting cedar]

i'm watching sikran top logs and ppl are maintaining so high envenom uptime

[balmy condor]

difficult balance to strike for guides. They're generally written for newer players, and they definitely don't need elusiveness, but elusiveness past like 12 is required

still unsure how I want to handle that

[drifting cedar]

wonder how, i'm at 86%

[coral ibex]

ttk

[pulsar elk]

Should I have that up before i kingsbane? what do you guys mean by pooling?

[drowsy hatch]

pooling refers to energy. Dont worry about amplifying at all

Current build makes pooling largely unnecessary though

[pulsar plank]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[exotic pulsar]

what you guys dropping in M+ to snag subterfuge?

[coral ibex]

supercharger

and lethality

[drowsy hatch]

drop lethality and/or supercharger

[indigo elk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[pulsar elk]

Subterfuge the way to go?

[coral ibex]

try it out

12s of +25% crit chance from master assassin is really good

[strange python]

As is is fine, I think, I'm definitely not a great player, sitting in the 11ish key range but elusiveness was revolutionary. Albeit took some learning and I definitely think keeping the guide as is works better overall. One suggestion, maybe if not already there, would be to add to the advanced commentary similar to you've done with the advanced rotation stuff.

Don't jump too fast though, the content your pushing is already outstanding, and much appreciated by the community 👊

[thick burrow]

what fatebound is running to get coldblood and subterfuge?

[exotic pulsar]

25% crit and cleaving dots

[drowsy hatch]

+11 is way way way higher than those guides are written for

[coral ibex]

hard agree that getting off cheat and learning to use elu was a skill check

[exotic pulsar]

seems pretty busto

[woven shore]

How to i make plater bigger

in Plater

[coral ibex]

enemy npc bar

[livid spear]

why is double envenom bar like this xD

[round harbor]

getting a wa that literally speaks to you and says use defensive also helps

[coral ibex]

i dont have one of those

i have one that says kick when my focus is casting something i need to kick

thats about it

[turbid nymph]

Sounds broken bth

Tbh

[livid spear]

link kick WA pls

[round harbor]

https://wago.io/5SiYaRAuX

[fast nacelle]

is it normal that MA buff is not shown in charcter stats?

[round harbor]

not the kick wa, the defensive one ^

[silk tusk]

do we do double subterfuge or lethality.... and sudden demise switches to twist the knife?

[balmy condor]

yes, it's not character crit

[fast nacelle]

[coral ibex]

i lied its actually part of littlewigs

[balmy condor]

if it showed up in character stats it would affect trinkets and shit too

and that's no no zone

[fast nacelle]

i remember

the trinket in legion

what a glorious time 100% crit

[bitter solar]

Shadowlands MA with spears in Necrotic Wake lmao.

[woven shore]

can you tell me how to fix this

[drowsy hatch]

looks perfect

[woven shore]

xD

[round harbor]

why asking rogue discord, when its elvui thats fucked

[coral ibex]

lol nope sorry, i dont have a ui like that

[round harbor]

filthy ele reroller

[violet bay]

2nd boss ara ara the charge , can we vanish it? Or will it target someone else if u do

[round harbor]

be gonest!

[woven shore]

is this how you talk to a mythic raider rogue main

[round harbor]

yes

mythic raider only tells me you enjoy having multiple jobs

[woven shore]

XD

[round harbor]

and not getting paid for the second one

lol

[woven shore]

true

its actually fun with my guild

and scoring world rank 7 assa on hound feels good

REALLY good

[neat pulsar]

hey, every time MA is playable I ask the question but I always forget ^^ Garrotes and Rupture casted during MA benefits of the crit bonus during their whole duration ? or only during MA duration ?

[viscid spear]

Looks like a dirty Shaman to me

[desert cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

ma duration

[livid spear]

is the opener the same with MA or different to use crit bonus for other than bleeds?

[vagrant brook]

dunno if it makes sense but in terms of raw damage I simmed all dungeons with MDT routes and builds with subterfuge were <= -2%
only in DSlice it simmed higher
best builds included 2xleth+sc+ttk+ma with no sudden demise and no sanguine blades
3 min patchwork with combinations of M+ builds also had the same results
(this is for my char though)
still good value for IW tho

[round harbor]

your overthinking it

[pulsar elk]

Are we still using latest or is nightly all good to use?

[round harbor]

and letting sims cloud your brain

[arctic socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9yWIRHQiE8 Rogue chat atm

[smoky sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[faint vessel]

Late iron wire on heavy caster pulls has felt really good today

[tacit pollen]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[coral ibex]

more ironwire = you can pull more casters = you can pull more = you do more damage

[gray horizon]

Just wanna shout out whispyr and the other shadowblades for dealing with all the influx of tomfoolery. you're all the best

[vagrant brook]

its not so linear but sure

[woven shore]

[thorn fjord]

@slim pebble they both feel pretty close tbh

[balmy condor]

I rubbed my balls against a cheese grater for 7 hours to answer one question:

Is it more fun than opening assa chat on a patch day?

The answer might shock you

[coral ibex]

what side of the grater tho

was it the side with the 2 big slices

that would hurt a lot

[bitter solar]

bit kinky

[drowsy hatch]

is that what was on your of

if you did that key

[real granite]

there's a bug around that makes you get into perma combat, not being able to stealth until you relog

this is infuriating

[coral ibex]

yea its called chain pulling

[halcyon grail]

It's the broccoli hair. 💯 Shaman enjoyer.

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[frail tendon]

mb lol

[fleet pagoda]

hey when we doin that again

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

yeah sub to my onlyfans for more ballsack grating content, I just released my newest video, check it out! It's titled "reading class discord for 15 minutes"

[thorn fjord]

LETS GRATE THEM BALLS

[drowsy hatch]

all im hearing is we need penis jokes to make this chat enlightened

[livid spear]

why dont you show stacks on feint on WA?

[real granite]

also vanishing or melding when stealth's MA didnt finished yet, doesnt proc MA

[balmy condor]

that's a good question actually

I don't think I've noticed

[pulsar elk]

Is blackrock worth doing?

[fleet pagoda]

don't vanish too early or no MA

[cunning needle]

is anything in life here worth doing. why do we put in so much effort only to suffer

[pulsar elk]

Damn, I need to log off lol

[bitter solar]

deep

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[digital spindle]

the [LE] Rogue weak auras are incredible

[dapper pumice]

what is this lag, anyone else getting it? literally have delay even summoning my mount sometimes with 50ms

[dark osprey]

How does shadowmeld into stealth works? Sometimes I can stealth after sometimes stealth button is grey and I can't press it in m+

[lyric cypress]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dawn heath]

do people actually recommend using this?

[cunning needle]

to give you an actual answer.

do it for fun, gear wise depends if you have myth track gear or heroic

heroic gear is sorta okay but nothing we want to use forever

[halcyon grail]

because you didnt manage to break combat via meld.

thats not part of melds functionality

[fallow sonnet]

anyone have a link to specific talent builds for each brd boss?

[modern ruin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drowsy hatch]

i dont know if someone was psychotic enough to make specific brd talent builds

[robust slate]

ok im fried is there a guide on how to properly use twist the knife stacks or some shit or just do whatever

[balmy condor]

Yes

[unique sorrel]

BRD lockout is weekly right? im not cooked in the head thinking its daily?

[robust slate]

i was parsing 99 before and now im a bot

[halcyon grail]

I want a specific build that says "I'm a bad bitch leavng brat summer and entering brat fall."

[dark osprey]

Is there a way to do it or is it random? Tried two times in gb after third boss goes down to call dragon but it didn't worked

[worldly sail]

cant meld to stealth in bossfights

[dark osprey]

I see..

[halcyon grail]

if you're in a party? no not really.

[errant mauve]

Any of the brd items really good for rogue?

[dawn heath]

so we shouldnt manually press tea?

[halcyon grail]

your party stays in combat? YOU stay in combat.

[dawn heath]

outside shiv?

[dark osprey]

There is my answer thanks!

[halcyon grail]

anytime, brah

[dawn heath]

also i have no fucking idea how to open in m+ i am kinda annoyed by this i was jsut getting comfortable with the old spec

[worldly sail]

well it still works in m+ sometimes, but some mobs just keep you in combat for some reason

[spare cargo]

@dawn heath nothing changed wtf 😄

[errant mauve]

Open the same way lol

[tardy raven]

Been along time since i've played rogue but just wanna check that outside of vanish and the opener we don't really mess about with stealth as assass right?

[digital spindle]

it's early days big dawg, just take it easy, it'll come

[tardy raven]

nomore shadowdance?

[errant mauve]

Not in sin spec

[ornate gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[digital spindle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

it did

not having serrated bonespike and 12s stealth windows is alot

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iWkNxHDI8NQ9YGKwc?invite=cr-MSxJM1IsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA how does this look? i dont know when to vanish

[spare cargo]

so just drop in 2 more garrotes

[dawn heath]

also the dummies here lag for some reason

[digital spindle]

it's WA

[dark osprey]

Is it worth to go dracthyr as assa for m+ or dwarf is still better? Bonus mastery and the cc seems worth to me

[cobalt sphinx]

nelf for restealths for giga dam

[pulsar plank]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cobalt sphinx]

48 seconds of iron wire

[winged quail]

Worth for the double jump alone ngl

[dawn heath]

like i don't know i just tested the new build my damage was tuirbo ass

but my tank was also turbo ass

[dark osprey]

When it works..

[dawn heath]

so it was kinda hard to tell

i feel more griefed with a bad tank in this build

as compared to the other

[sour oasis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[digital spindle]

was anything updated in 11.0.5 that would need plater profile updates? I got some plater script error on Stitchflesh trash when I was fixated

[real granite]

most times doesnt work cause of mob's eyes, if theres an eye on the pull, move away from it a bit, and meld

[timid hound]

Has anything changed in the talents, or is it still the same?

[drowsy hatch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[digital spindle]

doing the lord's work

[real granite]

probably not worth dps wise, but if you lost the mark imo it is

[drowsy hatch]

im just leveling a priest nothing better to do

[vital dew]

man I love the hybrid build

[umbral monolith]

"Out of date" in game is just a single number in a single file. I haven't had any reports of actual errors, so we'll probably push an update for Details sometime today with the new version number.

[cobalt sphinx]

anyone praying for a hand of justice in their vault

[pulsar plank]

dumb question does order of embellishments for waist wrist matter? everybody did crit one on wrist and buff one waist

[cobalt sphinx]

or one of those broken glass bottle shankers

nobody did that

buff one being the double nerubian one?

[pulsar plank]

yeah

[cobalt sphinx]

then they'd have ascendance and cannot have a wrist one so it's different people

[lethal arrow]

might be best to not even do the brd raid on main if it means that shit can show up in my vault

[cobalt sphinx]

but no it doesn't matter

tehy're just getting farmed by different bis lists

[pulsar plank]

Ah I have ascandence on dagger?

so I cant do crit one?

[open canyon]

guys i dont undestand the supercharger talent, after i press shiv i have to land in a specific combo point or what?

[cobalt sphinx]

you can have a maximum of two embellishments

so you can only have ascendance + doubled

[hallow pelican]

I got one already ... I thought they were mediocre

[pulsar plank]

Okay so I should go for double + ascendance thank you

[cobalt sphinx]

they're ass i'm just making fun of how running BRD reduces your chances at seeing a heroic spymaster in your vault

[gritty sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[umbral monolith]

... You're one of the reasons we have a hard limit coded into details just to stop that from happening... Smh my head man.

Good to know that we weren't crazy for adding that. 😛

[hallow pelican]

ah... got one of those as well

[thorn fjord]

@slim pebble Verdict is play whichever is more comfortable for the key builds

[spice surge]

No. Theres no specific cp

Just your next finisher

[balmy condor]

your code means nothing to my details nickname extender wa

[lapis saffron]

No more mini game. Just finisher

[open canyon]

So if i have DS mark and press shiv i get a super evenom?

[balmy condor]

(I have no clue if that still works)

[umbral monolith]

Nope

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[pulsar elk]

Is there a certain time frame i should refresh garrot and rup?

[umbral monolith]

It likely still sends the name, but we have a function not part of the send/receive code that checks name length and guild affiliation

[coral ibex]

in pandemic

[hallow pelican]

Is there a reason the Sims of patchwerk are hitting Tea AFTER Kingsbane? i thought u wanted to hit it with shiv BEFORE KB

[light mirage]

roughly between 1-6 seconds, which is the pandemic window

[sour oasis]

Hello guys

i didnt understand the blue bar

on the wa

[drowsy hatch]

its pandemic

[umbral monolith]

Bar is blue, what more is there to know?

[sour oasis]

of ttk

the fact we have two buff ?

or i mistake

[slate scarab]

How bad is the Deathstalker's Mark not resetting bug for raiding? Do I need to change hero talents?

[drowsy hatch]

yeah. Its pandemic of lower buff

[sour oasis]

but when he past the blue bar

[normal mist]

this was HARD wtf

[sour oasis]

i still have two charges

[hallow pelican]

Is there a reason the Sims of patchwerk are hitting Tea AFTER Kingsbane? i thought u wanted to hit it with shiv BEFORE KB - sorry for asking the dumb question

[floral fractal]

the Whispyr Plater WA is coming up as not a WA import

[vagrant brook]

its a plater profile

not WA

[faint vessel]

Yeah we tried to fun run it with alts and it was a shitshow

[floral fractal]

but it's linked to WA, do i just paste it in some plater place? 1i've never done that

[vital flicker]

I think I have cooked up the grossest bleed build (not in a good way) that only sims like 2% behind the hybrid build in my mdt sims and sims ahead in dungeon slice CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZMzwMMDAAAAAAzyMmlZAAAAAAotlZmhZmBGWmlBjxMzMzYmZGbbLjZA2mZZswYGzSjZbZYy2wwCA

[gray horizon]

Anyone got a link to updated Fatebound ST builds?

[viscid breach]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[vagrant brook]

my eyes

[gray horizon]

jk found them

[stable cove]

in raid opener now are u guys hitting rupture on 4 cp depending on rng??

[pulsar elk]

Oh okay, I figured thats why the WA symbols light up. Thank you!

[vagrant brook]

you copy the string and in /plater go to Profiles and Import Profile then paste the string

[floral fractal]

thank you

[gray horizon]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic venture]

I dont get why I cant set Echoing reprimand in my tree....

[floral fractal]

anyone got recommendations for a WA or addon for visual timers? like SliceAdmiral

[hallow pelican]

Again sorry to spam this but - Is there a reason the Sims of patchwerk are hitting Tea AFTER Kingsbane? i thought u wanted to hit it with shiv BEFORE KB

[drowsy hatch]

mastery buffs are better for later parts of kb

[digital spindle]

with 2 shiv do you still use first stack before?

[drowsy hatch]

yeah

cause it covers all anyways

tea doesnt

[digital spindle]

cheers

[drowsy hatch]

unless you use all 3 ig but, yknow, dont

[flat musk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hallow pelican]

k ... the ST rotation looked weird to me - i've macro'd tea to shiv so i suppose it doesnt really matter

[drowsy hatch]

st rotation is basically the same

[coral ibex]

haha yea its great

[drowsy hatch]

just more envenom

[coral ibex]

i enjoyed it

going back for heroic later this week

[clear oar]

are any of the weakauars update to new shiv

[drowsy hatch]

man I dont feel like my guild is gonna be able to do heroic lol

[vagrant brook]

probably also tries to not overcap energy, so using KB uses energy and then you don't overcap as much when using Tea

[clear oar]

im a luxthos user and this dude is lacking

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drowsy hatch]

theres no need to track supercharge

so nobody is

[clear oar]

oh

[distant plinth]

Outlaw busted again or? Only outlaw on top on sikran😂

[drowsy hatch]

its totally passive

[thorn fjord]

@slim pebble negligable at most https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gRLyoKQY2FGogqcbXayf85

[agile osprey]

Yeah coup bug is going strong

[slim pebble]

Thanks dude

[serene solar]

Yeah I dont trust anything outlaw while coup bug is in the game

[cloud crown]

What should I choose? I have heroic 626 Transmitter

[normal mist]

sim

[drowsy hatch]

goated Ocarina always

[slim pebble]

Skardyns

[thorn fjord]

Grace

[drowsy hatch]

no need to sim

[slim pebble]

But yes sim

[thorn fjord]

Nah you dont sim you take the grace lol

[vale lantern]

i played priest last night in heroic and first 3 of mythic our bm hunter kept begging me for PI but i did the responsible thing as an assassin rogue main and gave it to our other assassin rogue

[cloud crown]

But sim can't see the future

[dawn heath]

would u be able to tell the trinkets without the icon?

[thorn fjord]

?

[floral fractal]

what're y'all using to track timers? just plater?

[thorn fjord]

You getting another mythic track grace from box?

[vapid geode]

Middle one is grace

[thorn fjord]

Grace is the purple one in the middle

[floral fractal]

lucky bitch, never in my vault and hasn't dropped in over 20 GB runs

[cloud crown]

dont have grace

[fresh pelican]

take it then

[distant plinth]

Ahhh bug abusers

[vapid geode]

Got mythic grace 2 weeks in a row

[thorn fjord]

Must be nice

[distant plinth]

Holy fuck its been alot of bugs in TWW

[thorn fjord]

that 606 grace still going strong

[agile osprey]

[dawn heath]

i'm not convinced im gonna play the new talents

[vapid geode]

Nah 606 is crazy

[dawn heath]

might just play this instead

[thorn fjord]

Nothing out sims it but a higher grace lmaoo

[arctic tusk]

is tiny toxic blade actually better than blindside for a broodtwister fight?

going off of the raid council build

[barren epoch]

myth kukri but 606 skardyns grace

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[barren epoch]

my guy hit the gb

[thorn fjord]

Im 16 runs in

Havent seen it drop once

[vapid geode]

I ran it 65 for the ring

[arctic tusk]

even if u lust in execute?

[thorn fjord]

actually one time.. healer got a warband grace

[thorn fjord]

More than likely

[barren epoch]

30% chance at any loot and then 11 pieces, does that mean its a 2% drop chance

lol

[thorn fjord]

its hell

I hate it

[barren epoch]

so like 50 runs

on avg

[vagrant brook]

you spend a lot of time using fan of knives so blindside loses value

[strange python]

Na 50%, you either get it or you don’t.

[arctic tusk]

that does make sense

[heavy jolt]

does evasion not work on ovinax parasites?

[honest crow]

everything is a 50% chance

[dim estuary]

Please, can someone explains me how the other rogue (zuzuu) has Envenom max crit 7M while I (daggerovitch) do only 4.2M max ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/rdazPRnm4kTYCWgX/self#fight=46,46&type=damage-done&by=source&ability=-32645

[whole mason]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[coral ibex]

trialing for a guild, guild leader just pronounced plater as "platter"

red flag?

[novel star]

[bronze rock]

what if i drop bonespike for MA if im playing subterfuge ?

or is it better to drop sudden demise ?

[barren epoch]

i think thats why you run subterfuge

[bronze rock]

yeah i know i have to drop something but idk what since im new to assa lol

there's a lot of stuff going on

[stray adder]

that's what Whispyr was playing earlier

if you drop sbs and db to grab sang + sd it sims the highest but idk it doesnt feel as good

[bronze horizon]

I was simming that, but i actually had dropping TTK for sang simming 50k dps higher

[stray adder]

yeah im not a fan of TTK in m+ tbh

doesnt feel that good to me

[bronze rock]

idk i always hated sbs so i kinda hope someone will drop it so i can do it aswell lmao

[barren epoch]

whats wrong with sbs

[stray adder]

yeah not sure whats wrong with sbs either

[thorn fjord]

Whats there to hate? Its passive lol

[barren epoch]

if you have the point for it isnt it just all upside?

[gritty gate]

why darkest knight does not get proc with supercharger and 5 combo points, is it bugged?

[stray adder]

doesnt count

[drowsy hatch]

thats just how it works rn

[bronze rock]

i just hated since shadowlands, it hurts my eyes watching that thing talented

[gritty gate]

bruh

bs

[bronze rock]

im just an idiot

[drowsy hatch]

assume not being a bug until further notice

[barren epoch]

its got a cool ass animation and sound effect too

it actually makes me sad to drop it

[stray adder]

sbs is not the same as it was in SL

[bronze rock]

i know lol

[barren epoch]

spending globals on sbs would suck tho

i can understand your disdain

[stray adder]

you can do that if you don't wanna play sbs

[bronze rock]

imagine spending globals on sbs as outlaw

[stray adder]

imagine playing outlaw

[bronze rock]

bruh

[vapid geode]

Anyone else feel energy starved in m+ single target? Should I be pooling for mutilate as well or what?

[barren epoch]

is outlaw the older or younger brother to assas

[stray adder]

younger for sure

[ivory leaf]

so how do we know when to use FOK in ST? i see the sims doing it, i dont know when we would do it?

[vapid geode]

There’s a buff zekris

[vital flicker]

combat is the older brother to both

[scenic nacelle]

Mark randomly dropping again

[bronze rock]

btw i wanted to drop sbs cause it bugs with dummies and i cant even try shit cause it keeps me out of stealth lmao

[scenic nacelle]

im aware its in the pins but im thrilled its back

[slender badger]

Sims still broken? heroic sikran's endless arsenal is outsimming my heroic treachous transmitter by 30k still lol, is this real?

[stray adder]

not a bug, it does go away until the target is dead

gotta LoS

the dummies

mount up and gtfo

[bronze rock]

ye i know it's not a bug, but it is if i fly away and it stays

[stray adder]

not far enough lol

[indigo mulch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gloomy otter]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sour oasis]

except CD

of deathmark

u will not have two stacks of envenom no ?

without proc tea

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/DLCj81F.png

is this supposed to be emtpy?^^

[marble meteor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drowsy hatch]

thats where ttk should go

[gloomy otter]

are ajny of the other WAs up to date?

[pliant silo]

envenom something

[indigo mulch]

try lis's WA.

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[indigo mulch]

LE's WA.

[gloomy otter]

LEs Group?

[gray horizon]

are we still using wax on MH?

[gloomy otter]

ill try ty

[scenic nacelle]

LE's is really good

[dawn heath]

cant wait for then to fix flensing knives

so i can actually play bait and switch

[loud light]

Just double-checking after looking through logs, does Supercharger not show up as a buff at all?

[magic ginkgo]

With the new changes, do we not use thistle with kingsbane anymore and just keep the tea entirely for energy?

[turbid bone]

no buff

[stray adder]

no

[grizzled ember]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[indigo mulch]

Just macro tea to kb now

its just brainless.

[stray adder]

to shiv you mean

[indigo mulch]

shiv sorry.

[bronze rock]

i find wowhead's guide confusing for someone that never played this spec

do u know someone that explains rotation a little better

or do i just turn on my brain

[loud light]

not that it really matters, but their big envenoms were buffed by both darkest night and supercharger (right after shiv)

[stray adder]

turn on brain

[sleek ridge]

BRD daggers any good?

[north tartan]

is it not worth garroting in aoe except for vanish > improve garrote? or garroting from stealth?

[indigo mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793/videos

This is legit the same guy that does the wowhead guides though

but if you find it easier to look at something then there you go.

[bronze rock]

tyvm my friend, kinda didnt want to turn on my brain

[dim estuary]

Oh ok thank you, also do I do something wrong ? On the same fight they do much more evenom than me… but looks like they got a lot more of free ambush proc, only RNG here ?

[ripe orbit]

anyone have a working WA to hide combo points under default unit frame?

[soft niche]

do we pool now ?

[static glacier]

keep garotte and rupture up, generate combo points with mut and spend with envenom. ur cooldowns sequence is envenom > death mark + pot + trink > shiv > kingsbane > mut / env.

there's st sin

[indigo mulch]

Pooling currently is basically dead, sim logic currently is "maintain envenom buff without wasting uptime"

[lament imp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[loud light]

others can chip in if they like, I don't really have time. Not much you can do about having a good or bad proc rate on blindside, but in terms of combo points https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rdazPRnm4kTYCWgX#fight=last&source=8&type=resources&spell=104 I'd be careful how often you're overcapping- I'm guessing these aren't all getting to 7 for darkest night

make sure you're following the 5+ finisher rule if not consuming darkest night

[wispy adder]

It's me or the rupture doesn't spread?

[soft niche]

yeah i noticed that as well

some times it does some times it doesnt

[real granite]

sorry for the not sin related, but im going mad trying to find a solution

[upbeat gale]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real granite]

does anyone knows how to disable npc chat bubbles inside instances, so they dont go over plater?

[hollow river]

The only setting I’m aware of disables ALL chat bubbles

[real granite]

ye that would work for me, in extremis

[slim pebble]

Im terrified

[hollow river]

It’s in default blizz settings

[dawn heath]

i'm still doing more damage with old build

maybe its skill issue

[ivory flower]

i want to say GG TO BLIZZARD they fukin fuked the spec

[river shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

???

are you ok dude

[tame valve]

Does anyone have a macro to quickly switch targets and then apply a garrote or rupture at the same time?

[ivory flower]

darknight buff and mark disappear

and there is no fukin rason

reason

tea automatic is the worst duumbass idea ever

[young sluice]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[fickle girder]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-brain-raisin-gif-12839853

[hollow river]

DS Mark just has some bugs

It’s not a big deal

[ivory flower]

just some?

JSUT SOME

[hollow river]

And auto tea doesn’t matter at all

[ivory flower]

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

[hollow river]

Bugs will get fixed

[ivory flower]

IT DISAPPEARS FOR NO REASON

[hollow river]

It’s not the end of the world

[ivory flower]

before there was things to do to not proc the bug

now

it just disappears for NOTHING, automatic tea is just a newbie firednly shit

in raid, doesn't matter

in m+, for St on boss

it sucksssssssssss

[dawn heath]

i've noticed sometimes

its on the target

i hit envenom

it doesnt lose a stack

[fickle girder]

Good lord, imagine someone getting this guy's coffee order wrong

[dawn heath]

and u do that 3 times more

then it loses a stack evnetually

[hollow river]

So spec fatebound until it’s fixed

[ivory flower]

xdxdxd

fatebound suks

[hollow river]

Auto tea once again, does not matter

[meager glacier]

can any1 recommend me a good plater profile for assasination? having trouble tracking bleeds etc. ty

[ivory flower]

stop tell what god whispyr says

IN ST WITH THE RIGHT BUILD YES IT DOESNT MATTER

[hollow river]

I believe whispyr has one but idk if it’s updated yet or not

[ivory flower]

in m+build IT MATTERS

[stray adder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow river]

Bro

[stray adder]

last one

[hollow river]

Calm down

[fallow canopy]

well someone will get muted soon

[stray adder]

I prefer cev's one though

[hexed root]

anyone else having issues with darkest night falling randomly?

[indigo mulch]

Find a blunt and smoke one.

[tame valve]

Does anyone have a macro to quickly switch targets and then apply a garrote or rupture at the same time?

[lucid rain]

tbf auto tea in m+ is a pain

[fickle girder]

Bro is crying up a storm

[hollow river]

Yeah some people are

[fallow canopy]

yep its one of the bugs that the patch brought

[dawn heath]

do u guys also get that but when u envenom with full CP and it doesnt lose a stack

[cyan karma]

Ngl the spec does feel noticeably worse in m+ for me too… I get your frustrations…

[hexed root]

ok, i'm glad I'm not crazy

[ivory flower]

NO I WILL NOT they fukin cut 3 buttons to be newbies friendly and it just fuk the spec

[hexed root]

its tilting af

[hollow river]

Doesn’t exist

[hexed root]

new to wow?

[hollow river]

The spec is even stronger now so idk where you’re getting that idea

[indigo mulch]

Whats making it so bad in m+ tho?

[ivory flower]

IN RAID SINGLE TARGET

[hollow river]

Yep

[tame valve]

realy bro ?

[white orchid]

I legit cant hit the adds with caustic on Rashan for the life of me lol

[ivory flower]

i dont give a fuk about fukin raid

[hollow river]

Ye

[hardy prairie]

do we hold shivs for M Ovi or just send as we get KB?

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iWm6NwqaLlDpqwTkF?invite=cr-MSx6WXksMTcyMzI0NTA1LA anyone else have this bug with mark?

[hexed root]

my raid performance tanked, which I blame my mark issue

[fallow canopy]

don't know what to tell you bro, sure the bug is annoying but w/e it will get fixed and its just not something to get that mad over 🤷‍♂️

[ivory flower]

STOP PLAY ROGUE IT SUCKS

[lucid rain]

bruh

[wispy adder]

It's me or the rupture doesn't spread?

[hexed root]

whats the bug? I'm missing it i think

[pliant terrace]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow river]

Might be bugged

[ivory flower]

i fukin play sin for 5 years, it's the first time i want to reroll

[dawn heath]

im using envenom doesnt use up a stack

on my DM

[hexed root]

you're playing rogue wrong

[umbral sigil]

Picking the rogue back up since frost mage is still doody caca. Do I need to track Twist the Knife or is that not exactly gameplay changing?

[wispy adder]

Any solution?

[indigo mulch]

His marks aren't getting consumed.

[hollow river]

Wait for a fix

[fickle girder]

then shut the fuck up and reroll. jesus christ what a cry baby

[pliant terrace]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

it just randomly fixed itself

after 3 envenoms

but like??

[indigo mulch]

I mean this patch broke shit ton of stuffs, not only rogue stuffs, bosses randomly stopping doing shit for like 30s in raid etc.

So yeah, overall state of the game is pretty grim right now

[hardy prairie]

???

[stray adder]

guys give it time, game's in alpha

[arctic venture]

its rage

[umbral sigil]

Mages got boned thats for sure

[errant mauve]

Blizzard doesn’t care it has your money already you’ll wait until the end of the year for them to tell you they’ll fix it and they still won’t

[hollow river]

Nah

Usually bad bugs get fixed pretty fast

[errant mauve]

As @silk bane has already said there’s bugs that have been known for awhile that haven’t been touched or something like that I’m paraphrasing

[dusty zenith]

Guys if you want a simple answer on how to play rogue. Go to Warcraft logs . Look up top assassin rogue and follow what they did during that fight for rotation. Gives a good feel for how things should flow

[inland fox]

wowhead or icy veins BiS gears which to follow ?

[normal mist]

Eh

[hollow river]

Yes, bugs that aren’t as debilitating

[normal mist]

Not really

[errant mauve]

All bugs are debilitating

[boreal pond]

Situation, have darkest night, rupture about to fall. Complete DN or reup rupture first?

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/good-bug-dead-bug-bugs-starship-troopers-gif-27594834

[hollow river]

What

[ivory flower]

bc i can't fukin do dmg cuz the fkin mark disapper , am i supposed to do a zerocool move to just get the fukin mark everypool gosh. I'm not the best, but eww why did they do an automatic tea, thats just fukin dumb, i need that fukin energy at the right time and not when i drop under 30 energy gosh. Pooling is over only for raid talents, for m+ you still ned to. moreover you have to pay attention to not drop under 30 cuz funkin newbie automatic tea

[silk bane]

thats not what i said. its just old bugs are back with 11.0.5

[hollow river]

Flensing knives is debilitating?

[errant mauve]

I said I was paraphrasing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[normal mist]

You need to get some air

[hollow river]

Some bugs legit do not matter

[ivory flower]

i'm fukin tilted

[indigo mulch]

Go grab a drink.

[umbral sigil]

help

[normal mist]

And cookies

[thorn fjord]

Touch grass as the kids would say

[hollow river]

[indigo mulch]

lmoa

[umbral sigil]

shadow nerf?

[normal mist]

I didn't want to go that far

[thorn fjord]

i legit laughed lol

[stray adder]

you good bro?

sound a lil emotional

[hollow river]

Nah just bugs

[umbral sigil]

its a feature not a bug

[toxic zephyr]

what's the bug?

[hollow river]

Too many to count atm

[normal mist]

Mark dropping

Wait

[thorn fjord]

only had that happen a couple times for me so far

[normal mist]

Wtf am I doing awake

[thorn fjord]

Barely noticable

[indigo mulch]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iWm6NwqaLlDpqwTkF?invite=cr-MSx6WXksMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

someone posted this aswell, his marks arent even getting consumed.

😄

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/i-sleep-meme-sleep-meme-go-sleep-sleepi-ng-gif-26260737

[frail tendon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[errant mauve]

There’s maintenance tomorrow so I’m sure they will fix mage with a buff to dmg everything else can wait

[thorn fjord]

he had DN up bro cmon

[uncut ether]

This has been a thing since before patch I’m pretty sure. Can’t consume mark stacks with DN up

[dusty zenith]

I Havnt really bothered to play since the patch to be honest. Dave the diver pretty fun to play while bugs get sorted out

[fleet atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stray adder]

bro said dave the diver 💀

[dawn heath]

is that a bug

or

intended?

[thorn fjord]

Dave the diver prop a better rogue than alot of these people LOL

[thorn fjord]

its a bug but we've known about it a long time now

[errant mauve]

How do you have DN up with mark stacks… don’t the stacks get consumed and turned into mark?

[crude anvil]

is there anything wrong with macroing thistle tea into vanish for raid

[dawn heath]

if u ambush

from stealth

[ivory flower]

i'm not, i did some raid i was happy cuz it was a up. then i tried to do some keys and then mark disappear, not enough dmg in aoe. boss in m+ , St sucks cuz automatic tea. No fun, like i could be ok if i was playing badly but i'm not and i just do shitty overall

[hollow river]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[thorn fjord]

krill issue tbh

[indigo mulch]

I see him cast 3 envenoms o_O and only disapears so i dunno, does DN have 2 stacks now?

[thorn fjord]

You cant consume any marks while DN is active

[novel star]

yes this is not a new bug

[thorn fjord]

So he either ambushed on pull or vanished ambush while DN was still active

[novel star]

been like that a few weeks now

[thorn fjord]

over a month

[errant mauve]

So consume DN and you’re good to go?

[novel star]

ya

[errant mauve]

sooo what’s the problem

[novel star]

well

[cyan karma]

Sometimes you don’t

[thorn fjord]

it all started 20 years ago

[cyan karma]

And you loose

[novel star]

i mean thats just such a vague question how do u even answer that

the problem is he pressed finishers without cycling the mark

[median flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

like yeh u just go to 7

but even then

having dn+active mark and consuming dn

keeps u at 3 stacks

so its just shit

[thorn fjord]

Trust it'll be fixed soon

[novel star]

Ye bro

[errant mauve]

This game is shit and here we are

[novel star]

month 3 of the tier

the bugs will be fixed

surely

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-comedy-leslie-nielson-serious-dont-call-me-surely-gif-3518774

[novel star]

and then month 4 theyll reintroduce them again

[slate crown]

FYI To anyone in chat the envenom bar is updated with some stability and bug fixes so it should be more consistent

[thorn fjord]

Why you so awesome hmmmm??

[novel star]

whispyr get out of bed and steal LEs shit again

[errant mauve]

I’ve missed a lot of xpacs cause I quit for a long time but this is by far the buggiest I’ve ever seen the game

[umbral sigil]

whyspers plater mod wont import to plater, am i doing this wrong? Im on the modding page and click Import

[thorn fjord]

You gonna add vanish to your KB WA? @slate crown

[thorn fjord]

might have a bad copy pasta?

try it again

[umbral sigil]

treid twice :/

[quasi sonnet]

are u importing it as a mod or as a profile

[umbral sigil]

a mod

[slate crown]

Is this a thing again? My understanding was that this wasn't a thing again

Imma wait to hear that vanish's rule is "when kingsbane has X seconds left"

before I add that tick back in

[thorn fjord]

Not sure entirely... I saw earlier we were wanting to vanish at 6s left

But its been a hurricane today

[slate crown]

did the person's name start with wh and end with OPEN WOWHEAD?

[indigo mulch]

I've been vanishing at 6 again. Not sure where else to put it to be fair.

[thorn thorn]

I only know of Whispyr

Also is that pin not specifically for Master Assassin?

[thorn fjord]

I mean current build takes imp gar so you'd want to refresh it anyway in the opener

[thorn thorn]

The part about Vanish with Kb anyway

[vivid stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[soft niche]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[buoyant schooner]

how important is the ilvl on our offhand?

[dense talon]

correct me if i am wrong here. in single or two target, my third thistle tea is getting auto consumed and I am out of thistle teas when kingsbane is coming up. Do we stop using enegery spenders like 10 secs before KB is up so as to pool enough energy to get atleast 2 envenoms in KB?

generally i leave on charge of TT to be sync with kingsbane

[umbral sigil]

so is AOE just spreading the goop to as many goobers as possible and then if everythings ticking we FOK?

by goop i mean all the dots

[keen scaffold]

why did they do this auto consume of tea change 😦

[hollow river]

Not as important as MH, but sim yourself

[ivory flower]

BECAUSE IT DELETES A BUTTON FOR NEWBIES

it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[hollow river]

People

Auto tea literally does not matter

[idle condor]

why does my energy regen feel fucking terrible in keys?

[void pecan]

marco tea to shiv and live your life.

[gritty laurel]

yeah, isn't it like 0.2% to optimize tea?

[spice surge]

With proper play the auto tea shouldnt affect you, but even if it does auto proc its a 0.2% loss

It doesnt matter

Its completely irrelevant

[thorn fjord]

Good luck boys

lol

[buoyant schooner]

yeah, but i mean having an M track main hand and hero track off hand shouldnt be that huge dif compared to two M track weapons right?

[ivory flower]

WITH THE RAID BUILD£

not for m+ gosh damnµ

[keen scaffold]

its not even that it doesnt matter gain wise it just feels bad 😂

[ivory flower]

IN M+ ITS A FUKING BIS LOSS

[spice surge]

Do you think it jumps to 5% with the m+ build?

[dense talon]

how do I play out this situation (what should be my next steps): 0-30 energy left and KB is up.

[gritty laurel]

how are you dipping below 30 energy in M+ outside of spamming on bosses anyway?

[spice surge]

What? KB is up so you keep going

Or are you like "ey lmao auto tea popped before so i cant possibly pool for kb"

Again, IT DOESNT MATTER

[ivory flower]

when you don't have fukin energy with kingbanes and DM and can't fukin teak, y its a biiiiiiig loss, you'll have to not be under 30energy FUUUUUUUUUUN

[hollow river]

I’d recommend running a sim to check I can’t answer that 100% off top

[spice surge]

Its not

[dense talon]

I mean without energy if I use KB, I can at the max get one enevenom out.

[thorn thorn]

Homie what are you saying

[slate crown]

we will want to be vanishing for last 6 of KB with master assassin oh I only now had time to actually read up on rotational stuff, been so caught up in envenom bar

[spice surge]

Well you should have more energy before you kingsbane then

[slate crown]

ok, back to the mines (later, I can't right now)

[ivory flower]

and for what, because fukin noobs can 't press an additionnal button

[slate crown]

the vanish bar is easy to add

[spice surge]

If you dont have a tea charge

[toxic zephyr]

is our energy generation just much better now?

[ashen totem]

Then play well, dont get under 30 energy for no reason. This tea change only revealed who are the peanut brains starving themselves out of this world by spamming for literally no reason

[thorn thorn]

I feel in M+ even in ST its pretty hard to get tea to auto proc

[spice surge]

Again, with proper play it should literally never matter

But even if you accidently proc it, its not a big deal

It doesnt matter

Its just your feelcraft

[toxic zephyr]

i feel like im not running out of energy much anymore. which means hella envenom spam. i went from waiting to envenom almost dropping, to just sending it because im going energy cap

[novel star]

as stated in the pins

Auto-proccing tea is also fine. Sims avoiding tea perfectly is +2k dps (+0.18%).

[ivory flower]

SORRYYYYYYY i forgot i just fukin sucks

[buoyant schooner]

ok thanks!

[novel star]

youre this mad about <0.2%dmg btw

[ivory flower]

WITH THE RAID BUILD OMB KDFPJ?NFOERZJGFK.¨R£ZEA

[thorn thorn]

Oh boy so its not worth worrying about

Even in raid build

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[ivory flower]

i'm talkin about m+ single target gosh, in raid yeah it doesnt matter

[spice surge]

Brother its not much different for m+

[novel star]

i dont think its very different

[thorn thorn]

It isnt different

[ivory flower]

oh damn where am i

[novel star]

you just think it feels bad

[umbral sigil]

are we not using slice and dice in the opener at any point?

[novel star]

which is fair

but its not number bad

[spice surge]

It might be -0.3% or -0.4%

But its not a big deal

[novel star]

ye

idk

[hollow river]

Envenom applies it now

[ivory flower]

soooooo

[gritty laurel]

we aren't ever pressing SnD again because it just turns on with envenom now

[spice surge]

Again, thats assuming you fuck it up, if you just play it well it doesnt matter

[novel star]

the worst possible usage of tea before was one that wastes energy

and auto tea can never waste

so

[thorn thorn]

Sub 1% is irrelevant imo, sub 0.5% not even worth worrying about

[novel star]

its fine?

[vivid stream]

the wa does not show clear the wittness ?

[novel star]

which wa

[vivid stream]

whyspes wa

[novel star]

it does

whispyrs wa hides ctw if you have vicious venoms talented

[ivory flower]

you get energy from two talents that you can't get in m+ TTk and the other on left , both help you to get a loooooooot of energy. You don't have it inm+ so

[vivid stream]

where? i see it in there but it never shows up

[novel star]

if you have vicious venoms you wont see it

[vivid stream]

I don't have it talented

[novel star]

cause its bad to press with vv

[ivory flower]

when the fukin tea auto tiggers

[novel star]

if you dont and youre not seeing it then idk

cause i use whispyrs and it just works

[novel star]

brother i dont know what to tell you

[ivory flower]

it just fuk you cuz in fact you don't need that extra energy

[novel star]

teaing outside cds already wasnt that huge of a loss before

[ivory flower]

at this moment

[thorn thorn]

It is really as simple as dont press a button if it drops you below 30 energy

No idea what else to say

[novel star]

but also yeah

[gritty laurel]

kata, i say this as nicely as possible: if your M+ damage is bad, it's not because of the tea change. even for single target

[ivory flower]

i only used tea during kingsbane

and i was doing wayyyyyyy more dmg in st

[novel star]

Congrats, you were using tea incorrectly.

this change makes you gain damage

stop complaining

[ivory flower]

dear explain how i was supposed to use tea ?

[gritty laurel]

with shiv and without overcapping energy

[novel star]

it was during shiv not kb

[spice surge]

Macro it to shiv and forget about it now

[ivory flower]

to fukin get energy to chain envenom outside cooldown?

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[gritty laurel]

no, not to chain envenom

[novel star]

have you thought about what being in cooldowns means?

in kingsbane you envenom for uptime

in SHIV you mash envenom

thats why in shiv

you want the energy

or at least

this was how it was

before

now its diff

but like

[ashen totem]

Either way, if auto triggering the tea bothers you that much, dont auto trigger it. Its you pressing the buttons that makes it auto trigger.

[thorn thorn]

Also Envenom cranks compared to KB

[dawn heath]

looked at a bunch of reset keys from top rogues most rogues have not made the swap yet and are not playing master assasin and twist the knife

[onyx rain]

progging kyveza right now and fatebound feels pretty good

[dawn heath]

could be because they wanna play what they are comfortable with on a high key not sure

[gritty laurel]

not too surprising, they're probably waiting til the theorycrafting settles

[ashen totem]

i ran some sims and they arent conclusive, most are probs waiting

[ivory flower]

i fee like i'm talkin to a wall, a dumb wall that doesnt understand anything

[dawn heath]

is supercharger working? btw

[novel star]

Funnily enough i feel something similar

[dawn heath]

feel like when i talent into it, it does nothing

[onyx rain]

check pins

[gritty laurel]

brother, insulting people who are trying to explain why your screeching about tea is wrong is not going to make your dps go up

[thorn thorn]

Make it both of us actually

[hollow river]

You might not be using an updated WA to see it

[junior isle]

/wa

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[dawn heath]

maybe i go back to supercharge instead of subter

if u dont play master assasin is there any point of subterfuge

[keen spruce]

not rly

well

17 second silence

[gritty laurel]

that's the best part about sin this expac: damn near everything works

[novel star]

Iron wire is really nice but thats about it

[dawn heath]

well some call it good i find this to be rather annoying

[balmy condor]

And no matter what I say, pushers will say I’m wrong

[novel star]

longer IC/IG are fake

so its kinda just ma and iw

[real granite]

i guess that all ppl that doesnt care about the tea change didnt spam 7cp envenoms when pull is dying to get dn procs back to back, even going under 80energy. Now is it wrong?

[dawn heath]

i am mostly annoyed about the subterfuge stealth bar thing

i needed to remap my keybinds

thats why i wanna get away from it

[novel star]

whispyr can you like

delete thsi channel

for a week

[spice surge]

They yap about without a trace for so long, now that its actually decent/good theyre not even playing it

[novel star]

it is not a fun place

[ashen totem]

I coach a couple of rogues and usually thats the 1st thing i have to go through

[eternal quail]

anyone got a link to the liquid Maximum video roughly 5 months ago where he just doesnt watch whispyrs video due to it being named something like this

[balmy condor]

Had a guy in DM’s earlier link me a screenshot from like 4 months ago with a beta build where I called him stupid and he was taking a victory lap saying he was right

[novel star]

holy fucking based

[brittle quail]

hey in our opener with ttk do we want to do double envenom a simple is enough before cds

[hollow river]

[thick sail]

@balmy condor thank you for the pin in Assassination about the new patch, very thorough and helpful

[spice surge]

Man he really got ya

[balmy condor]

Np

[novel star]

i think one envenom before cds is still correct but i dont rly know

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[novel star]

i saw whispyr set up dm kb with two env in his awesome 100 parse

[hollow river]

10 changes to the spec later they became correct

[dawn heath]

i really dont like the stealth bar

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I can tell you why but you would hate me

[novel star]

Go on

i could never hate you big boy

[balmy condor]

Delaying CDs 3ish seconds for adds

[novel star]

ah

[dawn heath]

bruh

[brittle quail]

x)

[novel star]

that's pretty based actually

you really a rea fucking parse farmer

HHAHAHA

[dawn heath]

Playing supercharger simmed 400 dps better than subterfuge 💀

in DSLICE

[balmy condor]

If you ain’t first you’re last

[zenith cedar]

the other rogue in my raid is bug abusing

[novel star]

god fucking damn

[zenith cedar]

sadge

[novel star]

[brittle quail]

so simple envenom in the opener still the norm

[dawn heath]

0% difference

between the talents

🤔

[balmy condor]

Yes

[novel star]

think single env before cds in general is still the norm

[brittle quail]

thanks

[novel star]

idk

[dawn heath]

so

[balmy condor]

(I’m also the add killer in my raid, me and DH)

[novel star]

Ye but its funnier to say parse farmin cus wcl change

shut up about like

[balmy condor]

True

[novel star]

u being useful

thats cringe

[ivory flower]

YOU HAVE 2 CD AS SIN KB AND DM, you want to press tea for energy during KB/DM if you're low on energy and can't chain envenom. The thing is, with the auto tea you macro tea with shiv ok? but if you fall under 30 energy you use tea at a moment that isn't usefull and when dm and shiv come back and you don't have energy neither tea you're burst is fuked up. The solution might be pooling before cd's or jusst trying to not be under 30 energy. maybe i shouldn't use a macro tea+shiv for m+. Well an auto ability is now harder to use than when it didn't proc auto. Nice

[novel star]

oh boy

a paragraph

that one took like 5+ minutes

[restive falcon]

is naglering good for us at all

[novel star]

i was wondering if he passed out on his keyboard maybe

[stray adder]

nah kata is just baiting at this point

[novel star]

lot lot lot of talking for something thats already been simmed to be barely any dps loss

[balmy condor]

I played caustic during rash when it wasn’t on logs and I was called based for making sure adds die, don’t change anything and not I’m a padder

[covert sedge]

when are we ever being struck by mobs

[balmy condor]

[eternal quail]

you're

[thorn thorn]

Simple Solution. Do not use an ability that would drop you below 30 energy

[restive falcon]

m+ when your tank is ass

[covert sedge]

not gearing around a tank not holding aggro in 2024

[restive falcon]

im full gear lmao just wondering

[balmy condor]

Grats or sorry that happened

[hollow marlin]

Deathstalkers mark bugging sometimes?

[stray adder]

yes

[dawn heath]

Standard m+ build Super charger.
2,0619M Dslice
1.081MPatchwerk (5minutes)

Standard m+ build Subterfuge
2,0614M Dslice
1.054m Patchwerk (5minutes)

MA Subterfuge TTK build
2,101M Dslice
1.076M Patchwerk (5minutes)
these are my sim results

[hollow marlin]

ripperoni

[novel star]

anyways i got a heroic raid to do

thanks for typing brotha

[covert sedge]

im just saying that its near impossible to get even like 10% value out of that ring as a rogue, we cant even endure melee damage well

[novel star]

i aint reading it

❤️

one love!

[hardy prairie]

are we actually using tiny toxic blade on Ovinax or is that a myth?

[real granite]

i dont really care about the % dps, i do care tho that now i have to "pool" when the pack is dying when b4 i was spamming dn procs, its not really relevant, but it is undenniably worse, in feeling

[dawn heath]

if the sims for Dslice are within 1% i guess it comes down more to preference

[ashen totem]

you can re sim those for pure ST and see if any of the builds bother you

[past furnace]

Is ascendance on a 636 dagger, better than using two mythic daggers and a different embellish?

[ivory flower]

sometimes? very often at least, the spec is unplayable, i lost the mark like 10 time in a dungeon, very fun

[dawn heath]

sure ill do that

The question is though

do i sim 5 minutes or do i sim somehting like 3minutes?

[hollow river]

Should prolly sim that

[dawn heath]

and do i sim the buffs i do have? or dont?

[brittle quail]

lol you havent tried outlaw aand fatebound still playable

[dawn heath]

do i sim lust?

[gritty laurel]

embellishments are pretty low impact, but so is 3 ilvl on offhand. i'd sim it

you can run standard patchwerk with buffs, target dummy, and dungeon slice to get a good picture of what different setups impact

[past furnace]

I just got a second mythic dagger but ive already crafted the 636 im thinking it just might not be worth the cressts

[terse island]

Crimson tempest on two enemies yes or no?

[pastel talon]

Anyone else finding this tea change an absolute annoyance?

[gritty laurel]

yes

[gritty laurel]

no

[hollow sphinx]

is there any reason to have slice and dice on a hotkey now?

[marble prism]

!tea

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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

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[gritty laurel]

nope, fully passive now

[hollow sphinx]

ty sir

[dawn heath]

there i've updated them