assassination

[kindred dune]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[orchid pewter]

pls fix mr guide man @balmy condor

[undone eagle]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[grim jay]

You just forget everything about what ER did and read the talent

[arctic socket]

You spam during cds then play slowidh outside of them keeping up a envenom buff

[quiet oar]

???

Our DK

[marble hemlock]

he didnt live getting hit by 7 vile discharges at once?

kinda trash

[marsh falcon]

but you cant see the supercharged point?

[spice surge]

Without a defensive up

[marble hemlock]

you dont have to

[arctic socket]

Reread the talent

Last line

[quiet oar]

isnt the blue man icborne?

the icon

[marble hemlock]

supercharger is completely free of thinking

[spice surge]

Oh ye true, i guess tryan was just lying about there not being a defensive up

[proper tapir]

Umm it may be in nightly, look at the spell casts and make sure Vanish is coming in 2 secs after KB. The Simc APL is updated, that's for sure

[marble hemlock]

you just press button, next finisher gets +2 CP when you use it

[quiet oar]

Nah

[molten echo]

There isnt a specific combopoint supercharged like before, it just simply add CPs to your next finisher.

[calm grail]

I'm checking out some 14s and 15s that were being done and this is cooking
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFBRRUVUmJBCQRNVUVVEUZFQFKFQBFEVVVUCVA

[quiet oar]

I think it was a misunderstanding 😄

[calm grail]

Symbolic victory and follow the blood

[royal lantern]

btw, i like that our firemage cant aoe on ovi anymore, cus flamestrike makes him go out of mana after 3 casts

game is cooked

its insane

[marble hemlock]

cant wait to drop leeching, tea and vigor for aoe and get WaaT and forced induction instead

and lethality

[spice surge]

Is it baldman cooking again?

[errant mauve]

How many points in supercharger are we taking?

1 lethality 2 super ?

[blissful cosmos]

Is there a weakaura to show a red line at 80 energy

[pseudo cosmos]

[wicked tendon]

is hekilli good to use on dungeons and raids? or when can i good learn base for rogue playin

[marble hemlock]

no

[coral ibex]

no

[blissful cosmos]

I can’t find anything

[molten echo]

Read the wowhead guide rotation and practice

[marble hemlock]

you can take your current WA and add a tick

[coral ibex]

hekili is ass

[calm grail]

I got a 99 using Hekili for shits. Just use your brain and don't send CD's during intermissions/movement.

[coral ibex]

avoid it

[calm grail]

I don't reccomend it though.

[blissful cosmos]

@marble hemlock alright I’ll look into that thank you

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[wicked tendon]

send cds you mean dont waste cd's if its intermission/movement time ?

[marble hemlock]

basically, hekili will get you decent enough results, but it will teach you some gameplay behavior that may be difficult to unlearn, that end up being bad plays.

[calm grail]

I'm seeing a lot of TTK at higher keys. You still think TTK is worth during my pleb 10s?

[exotic bridge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[rugged sphinx]

I remember reading a pin earlier today about using latest on sims (cant seem to see it now, or im blind), is nightly still bugged?

[frank axle]

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[spice surge]

It was removed because its no longer relevant

[rugged sphinx]

thanks

was bored at work

[calm grail]

Yes. This. Assuming the APL they're running is correct, it can be a good jumping off point. It's obviously good to learn your spec though. I would wager half of the naysayers against the addon though do "All natural" fuckups and use WA's that do almost the same thing. If it's a point of pride though, learn your rotation. Your mileage may vary with it. It's a tool, you can misuse it or use it properly.

[vital haven]

3 kicks! anlaaki anlaaki

[blissful cosmos]

All I can say is I feel like rogue became more complicated with the tea changes

[spice surge]

No, you just realized that it was slightly more complicated

[spring moat]

???

[fallow canopy]

did anyone give ky'veza some tries yesterday? boss was tweaking the fuck out lol

[blissful briar]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[molten echo]

It probably did if you weren’t playing for envenom uptime outside CDs before i guess

[wicked tendon]

ok do you recoomend any video guide for assasination m+/raid ? or only wowhead is worth ?

[spring moat]

We one shotted it last night. The tanks were having issues with threat though

[icy girder]

any of the new raid loot good for us?

[blissful cosmos]

You were able to chain evenoms easily and stay below 50 energy and save teas for every kingsbane and major cooldowns it was easier

[fallow canopy]

some people got double twilight massacre or 1 time the portal stayed for like 5 seconds longer than it should

it was funny af

[true hearth]

!Rupture

[blissful cosmos]

Echo reprimand made it easier too

It was easy that way

[spring moat]

One of our hunters run with misdirect for some reason. He had to use it on cd or the tank would lose the boss

[strong vortex]

Soooo, Supercharger not worth, and blizard deleted cool covenant spell, right?
So no worth taking 25% after stelth and additinal tallents for more time after stelth (up to 12), right?

[blissful cosmos]

Now I feel like you need to be way smarter with energy

[spring moat]

SHREDDED goes the mage

[elfin heart]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[vast loom]

Ovinaxx was just randomly hard chilling for like 10sec before phasing on mythic, tanks got an extra mechanic and we got extra webs

very weird

[onyx crane]

I picked a mythic track dagger with crit haste and leech from vault

[strange python]

I’m assuming none of the daggers from the anniversary event are good enough to use in the OH?

[frank steeple]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[blissful cosmos]

You were able to even send extra evenoms and still not letting the buff fall with echo reprimand

[spring moat]

Ulgrax got stuck headfirst in his portal in the middle of the room for like ten seconds

[near oar]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[molten flicker]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[onyx crane]

that macro ... you could say rogues are getting ... shivtea

[dapper valley]

anybody got a updated single target spec for Rading for Sin?

[fallow canopy]

hopefully things get fixed b4 tonight but ngl it was entertaining seeing the boss doing some random shit

[onyx crane]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-schwifty-dance-dancing-party-gif-9365474

[tranquil birch]

Major noob question but I don't understand the #showtooltip line in these simple cast macros. I have the same one without that and it seems tk work fine?

[bitter saddle]

But man the auto drink tea is annoying

I don’t like that

[heady ridge]

last night heroic queen was like stuck casting the first liquify for like 5 seconds, we couldnt even go past that cuz everything was so messy lol

[thin dock]

playing without Bone strikes feels so shit

[molten flicker]

it works fine, but #showtooltip shows the tooltip

[thin dock]

ngl

[vast loom]

its just so you can hover the macro and see the tooltip

[tranquil birch]

I see

[vast loom]

instead of it doing nothing

[fading mason]

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[dapper valley]

guys i need a single target build for assa for raiding tonight

[faint vessel]

Or, you can show a different tooltip than the ability/trinker/consumable if you wish

[vast loom]

!guide

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IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[faint vessel]

Wowhead guide is updated

[dapper valley]

nice!

[prime hull]

!wa

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[dapper valley]

thanks for the heads up

[molten flicker]

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[dapper valley]

lets try method tho

[karmic crystal]

Lol

[dim estuary]

M+ build still cooking ?

[dapper valley]

a no good not updated yet

[karmic crystal]

Just use the pinned guides

[spice spire]

Won’t be until this weekend

[dapper valley]

speedoflife usually have insane builds

[marble hemlock]

psure method assa guide is written by whispyr as well

[spring moat]

Quake

[zealous wolf]

Bro you have per boss builds on wowhead

[slim wagon]

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[spring moat]

88% envenom uptime 🤯

[dapper valley]

idk lol i always copy the top rogue raiders from raider oi

and its usually speedoflife or casualaddict

[royal lantern]

that is literally 1 of the worst things you can do

[zealous wolf]

ok, but there arent any yet with new talenta

[prime hull]

I am trying LE envenom bars what do the little ticks mean? And why do they move?

[spring briar]

link? :D

[karmic crystal]

Pandemic

[cerulean osprey]

Curious, thoughts on why so

[dapper valley]

hes not up to date yet unforge

[sand oriole]

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!wa

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[royal lantern]

because you copy something without any context or thought behind it

[ruby coyote]

!ња

[kindred hinge]

Because people push in teams and will adapt depending on their needs which are not the eneds of 99.9% of the rogue pop

[ruby coyote]

!wa

[zealous wolf]

i have a feeling the new MA m+ build isnt that good, since you have to "waste" vanish for dmg with MA, and not to reapply mark if you lose it/reapply ruptures. Didnt try it yet but idk

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[kindred hinge]

And would not be relevant outside of the pulls they are doing with their particular teams/strat

[spring briar]

i see so much builds right now, but what is the commend one?

[crimson linden]

slice and dice now active with envenom, it will be a bug o now it is like that

[zealous wolf]

I still play hybrid

[molten galleon]

Are the Supercharged CP supposed to be counted for Deathstalkers mark and Darkest night ?

[dapper valley]

what is council again in raid?

which bosses counts as council

[zealous wolf]

Waiting for someone smarter than me to tell me whats the best m+ build 🙂

[cunning needle]

whatever you feel like playing mate

[simple yoke]

Stabby you here? You came to my raid group when we were pugging last night

[cunning needle]

it honestly doesnt matter that much

if you are asking the question, it doesnt matter what build to play

[cerulean osprey]

Thanks for your input

[zealous wolf]

Click on the nerub palace tab on wowhead, you have per boss talents

[kindred hinge]

It's not cooked yet, I have tried four since this morning, it is more or less similar. Play what you want and wait for final

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!wa

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[cerulean osprey]

Understandable point

[spice surge]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[kindred hinge]

It's just some min max that are not needed at the moment. The % of dps from one hybrid build to an onther will not be the reason you time or not so chill you have time

[nova aspen]

in my recommended YT feed

[round nexus]

This is currently the highest simming dslice build i found.
2 vanish charges and no twist the knife.

[zealous wolf]

No amplyfing?

[slate crown]

It's the pandemic timer for when you can safely cast envenom without losing uptime. They move around because it's based on your combo points, as the time for pandemic is based on the duration of the new buff you'd apply (the duration for which is based on combo points)

[spring briar]

it looks weird

[random adder]

Would u take queen hero trinket or myth legs?

[spring briar]

i would take the trinket

[kindred hinge]

That was the last build discussed this morning, with vanish/lethality at choice. But you can also play TTK. Doesnt really matter at the moment

[calm grail]

You know what really grinds my gears?

[dapper valley]

thanks that helped

[calm grail]

After 40 or so GB's I got Skardyn's

[zealous wolf]

What trinkets do you have now

[storm flint]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[calm grail]

Then the next day on Tuesday

[round nexus]

yes, the damage is about the same. But this build opens up for more missplays

and more bug corrections, if that's currently a thing.

[spring briar]

i think i take this one

its sim better for me

[onyx linden]

subterfuge without master assassin? what?

[grand trail]

im playing the old build and it doing still nice dmg, but i would try some tkk action

[zealous wolf]

Casual simmed this as best dmg for dungeons, idk if its true and he didnt even play yet, just simmed.

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMmZmZGmBAAAAAAYW8AmtZAAAAAAotlZmhZmxYmZWmtxMDmZMzgZmZbbZMDw2MLjNGzYWaMLLDT2GGWA

[random adder]

Basically all in hero skardyn ara kara boralus and so on

[dapper valley]

lol some builds are just exact same..

[round nexus]

The old build is around 5% less dmg according to my sims at least.

[zealous wolf]

Skardyn is better than transmitter i think

If same ilvl

[grand trail]

it still do fine in 10s key

[zealous wolf]

Hybrid?

[spring briar]

whats your build?

[round nexus]

ofc it's still a decent build

[zealous wolf]

Yes and its fine

[round nexus]

The rogue dream setup 😄

[kindred hinge]

There is still a difference between DS and Keys, you can see in last Whysper video that between a sim for Mist 13?14? and DS the builds simming highest were massively different

[stray adder]

so from what im seeing supercharger is hot ass?

[dapper valley]

yeah true

[full cove]

Hi guys, without going into great detail why i use it. I need help with an issue about castsequence macros. I buggs because of ambush/mutilate procs. Can anyone help?

[grand trail]

becasue im thinking if i drop SBS in my low keys i will be in trouble getting value of DM

[kindred hinge]

Subt without MA still seems weird

[grand trail]

but you get MA when you spreading bleeds

so idk how much value is that

[warm vortex]

You still run out of energy if you just spam stuff in st right

[robust axle]

Yo whats the tldr on the best Way to keep envenoms up? Do we just pandemic first one and then get 2nd up whenever?

[dapper valley]

yo wtf man Kyrian is gone, what do we do now instead

[spice surge]

Youre not spreading bleeds for 12 seconds

[zealous wolf]

its 9/12 sec MA so its not just bleeds

[spice spire]

Huge gamer

[delicate egret]

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[golden loom]

Does not feel like it

[delicate egret]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice surge]

oh fuck it didnt format properly

[spice spire]

I also almost missed that - you’re fine pinging me in chat I don’t bite

[spice surge]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[delicate egret]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

Updated.

[warm vortex]

ah alright
i remember trying it ealri9er and it felt like it

[sharp trellis]

Should i upgrade the embilshment item with crest or more ilvl globally ? using crit on both for M+ content

[kindred hinge]

Only for the first 6 gcd you still have it for the rest and the end of KB which is massive

[grand trail]

idk what do you drop anyway

[cloud reef]

do we want to try and avoid procing the 30 energy tea charge

[grand trail]

i dont like dropping sang or sudden either

[distant plinth]

how do we play around twist the knife now? do we try to keep 100% uptime on both envenoms? getting drained on dummies atleast hoho

[kindred hinge]

Avoiding it is a 0.2% dps gain. So w/e If you macro Tea to shiv you will always have it when needed

[tacit otter]

you gain in one area and lose in another, if you dont like that dont swap. just have to make that decision on your own til cooking is finished

[hollow stone]

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[molten flicker]

is the link to "LE's Rogue Collection" broken?

[hollow stone]

is LE's env in the rogue pack? must yoink

[hollow stone]

ye
https://wago.io/s2JVzLWHs

[grand trail]

best content is watching zac double FHD dmg in key

[dapper valley]

what does this do exactly?

[hollow stone]

nvm, LE the actual GOAT my god

[dapper valley]

all layouts have same keybindings?

[hollow stone]

put it separately already

[worldly wave]

Are there any info about new items from blackrock

[slate crown]

Envenom has always been separate 🙂

[worldly wave]

Any itme good for assasin?

[hollow stone]

you're the GOAT

YET AGAIN

[worldly wave]

A knif ehas bleed proc chance. Is it better than current bis?

[slate crown]

The collection link from the bot command works for me

[cunning cloak]

LE, ty for wa pack, its the best

[hollow stone]

this was certainly a me problem not you lmao

I am dumb and blind

but cute so

[cunning cloak]

it evens out

[faint tapir]

!fuu

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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[full cove]

any nice person here that can help me with castsequence issues regarding mutilate/ambush buggs?

[coral ibex]

why are you doing castsequence stuff with mutilate and ambush

blindside makes ambush replace mutilate

you literally cannot cast mutilate with blindside up

[robust axle]

So basically Always keep pandemic on your lowest stack of envenom, and have a 2nd up when possible is what im getting from the pin - do I understand that correctly?

[verbal creek]

experiences between dawnthread and ascendance + armor band in mythic raid? Preference overall

[misty holly]

Has anyone tested the new Blazefury Medallion yet? How does it do.

[full cove]

i use castsuequence for opener, (cause i cant press many buttons) @coral ibex and the macro buggs somethimes

[coral ibex]

don't do that

[desert tundra]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[strange python]

are all the wowhead talent builds updated to reflect the new changes?

[prisma rover]

Is there any way to not automatically use tea when it drops below 30?

[zenith prairie]

no

[prisma rover]

omg 😦

[bitter jetty]

Use it before

[nova aspen]

yes

[prisma rover]

Now when I want to use the burst, it turns out that I don't have a Tea available, because it has used them automatically.

[ruby oyster]

Do you even need macro for that? Just put ambush on stealth bar, use it on pull and then blindside procs overwrite mutlite anyway, unless you want to add rupture or garrote into macro?

[tired gull]

Ngl the monk anniversary tmog is dope, time to reroll!

[noble nymph]

imagine they would just make a choice node---> auto and manual tea

[prisma rover]

GG Blizzard

[zenith prairie]

Master assasin just makes Vanish a send with cd move right?

So for the first burst window like 10 seconds into fight should I be vanishing?

[vast loom]

just stay above 30 then 🙂

[bitter jetty]

You use your energy incorrectly then

[crimson linden]

slice and dice now active with envenom, it will be a bug or now it is like that?

[brave trench]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[kindred hinge]

No

[bitter jetty]

It is always up with env now

You can take it out from the bars

[robust axle]

So basically Always keep pandemic on your lowest stack of envenom, and have a 2nd up when possible is what im getting from the pin - do I understand that correctly?

[strange python]

Which one is it? someone else just said yes?

[cunning cloak]

pretty sure they're updated

[bitter jetty]

Bro check faq please

[noble nymph]

/wa

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[nova aspen]

this is the wowhead guide writer

[harsh anchor]

Is wowhead updated

[novel star]

raid builds are updated, m+ builds are technically not fully done but they are updated i just dont think the cooking is done yet

[kindred hinge]

MA/Subt build has not been updated yet in the wowhead M+ rota

[bitter jetty]

And the faq

[harsh anchor]

[still moat]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[nova aspen]

[clever sapphire]

that build is still in the cooking

so its not on wowhead because afaik the build didnt really exist yesterday when wowhead got updated

[storm flint]

!whispyr

[clever sapphire]

correct me if im wrong tho

[kindred hinge]

And tha's a fail appeal to authority when the authority himself si cooking the build.

It is not up to date yet because the builds are cooking.

[gloomy otter]

anyone got a clue why kingsbane is not working in a castsequence macro anymore?

[kindred hinge]

But still MA/Subt build have been the one recommended today by Whyspers

[prime hull]

So I'm supposed to pandemic the 2nd stack of envenom with the blue tick as much as possible I guess? And keep up 2 stacks?

[bitter jetty]

If build is being cooked then what we have now is up to date

[kindred hinge]

Different definition of up to date I guess

[nova aspen]

he didn't recommend it, he said its viable to play

[marble hemlock]

Just so people maybe get a bit of an idea, but the deadline for updating the guides is usually Friday/Saturday before a patch, and its about 5-10k lines of text and code. So yeah, theres gonna be mistakes, and yeah, it may not be updated with information that's fresh out the oven.

[nova aspen]

if its recommended, he would add it to wowhead

[kindred hinge]

Just read Selia above.

And yes the whole discussion this morning was about how MA is actually busted and will likely be the reco,mmended build

[rotund oak]

Seli pins

[pulsar ice]

Is transmitter 639 better then skardysn 626?

[uneven plume]

Yes

[bitter jetty]

What the hell is a deadline. We are not in the school.
We are already thankful for what we have

[bitter jetty]

Sim

[marble hemlock]

And I pity the people who have to proofread 39 separate spec guides, on top of any number of additional guides for events, patch stuff etc.

That's why the deadlines have to be so early.

[kindred hinge]

Not expecting to have anyone follow discussion here all day long btw so no shade here. But there was some heavy discussion since yesterday when the wowhead guide was updated. (Which is not a critic at all on the wowhead guide)

Different definition of up to date

[bitter jetty]

It is been like 1 day literally

[marble hemlock]

The date of the update is typically set when proofreading is done, not when the information was handed in, but yeah.

[bitter jetty]

Middle of the week

[light sphinx]

With the Envenom now stacking my WA tracking the pandemic window isn't working (I mean it is doing what it i made it to do but bear with me).

Been using "Remaining Duration" to track the pandemic window but this tracks the general buff not the remaining duration of the individual stacks. Is there a way to achieve this without writing custom code?

[molten galleon]

!wa

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[novel star]

my definition of up to date is up to date with when the information is actually good and accurate

i dont want the guide to be rushed with builds that arent done being theorycrafted yet

[marble hemlock]

Written guides have certain limits, and fresh-hot information is one of the weaknesses they have. That's what discord and other sources of information are for, that are better to deal with very recent developments

[novel star]

just for the idea of being More up to date

[coral ibex]

yea yea that’s all well and good but what about me? i want to know if this patch is BOOM or DOOM and i don’t want to read wowhead!

[kindred hinge]

It's neutral to boom

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/kaguya-boom-explotion-touhou-project-kaguya-boom-gif-27657364

[bitter jetty]

Just play fury warrior bro and go brrr

[coral ibex]

wow she got hit by the explosion that makes you bald, tough

[blazing plaza]

is it good ?

[bitter jetty]

No comments

[kindred hinge]

Anyway old /regular build on wow head is playable, all the variation of the MA/Subt are playable difference is not massive so W/e

[raw wyvern]

if you want to blast as rogue, reroll ele sham

[coral ibex]

why would you do that when assa rogue blasts

you'd have to wear mail, cringe

you'd be expected to have a healer offspec, cringe

you are a caster, cringe

[kindred hinge]

To get into keys kappa

[molten echo]

Outlaw also bugged atm, can just swap spec, no need to roll ele haha

[marsh falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040526681183629312/1298501347867627554/image.png?ex=6719cb1e&is=6718799e&hm=ac789b6684be40251a296c006d4139f2dea929cafc083c3db1989cfd3ab4ad7f&

Dagger over trinket? I have hc spyglass and skard, offhand is hc regi mh crafted

[coral ibex]

pugging +13 you are so cooked

[novel star]

sim it

if you dont have a myth dagger its likely to be the best but sim it anyway

[crisp stream]

whats MA

[robust axle]

So basically Always keep pandemic on your lowest stack of envenom, and have a 2nd up when possible is what im getting from the pin - do I understand that correctly?

[neat pulsar]

on Ankurek, is there a trick to optimize uptime at the end of P1 when queen pulls us with webs ? I saw Kush not going away a lot and then shadowstep in front of boss once he gets pulled. Is that easy to do ? is he shadowstepping boss or tank ?

[novel star]

master assassin

[coral ibex]

master assassin

[bright timber]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[novel star]

just shadowstep boss

[kindred hinge]

Legit 12/13 are funnier than 11 at least no random affix to deal with

[novel star]

on hc

on mythic you cant always step boss because wrest leaves pools

[prime hull]

Yeah I'm trying to keep up 2 stacks of envenom and I dont think I'm able to

[neat pulsar]

there is no shit behind it ?

[novel star]

no

[coral ibex]

wait what ive been stepping out to a caster and then running in

[novel star]

get in the air then step the boss

[coral ibex]

you can just hit step to cancel the yoink entirely?

[novel star]

stepping boss puts you on the ground stopping the wrest movement instantly

yes

[neat pulsar]

does it cancel pulling ?

[novel star]

yes

you also do this on platforms to the beam add

[coral ibex]

damn what is the timing for that when you're in melee range

[novel star]

because stepping cancels wrest + puts you behind him so the beam whiffs

[neat pulsar]

ok thx !

[kindred hinge]

What that work? been stepping on healer wrong for weeks ?

[coral ibex]

i feel like i'd just get sucked immediately

[novel star]

Idk i just run out and lose a few gcds for bigger timing window

if youre standing fully in melee range its probably like ~0.2s lol

[coral ibex]

hm

[novel star]

not worth

but running out and stepping boss is still better than stepping ranged

[coral ibex]

i wonder if that is much better than staying in as long as possible and then stepping out

hm

why do you think so?

[novel star]

almost certainly

because

[hushed elbow]

can confirm stepping boss is the way to go

[clever sapphire]

that sounds like a challenge to me

[novel star]

ranged stand far enough away from the boss that they're still outside melee range after wrest

so you step to them + walk back to boss

[hushed elbow]

you can dps fully until like a half second left on wrest, run away, then step boss as soon as you yoink

[brave swift]

so is this what people are rou ghly testing out?

[hushed elbow]

you dont even really miss a gcd

[neat pulsar]

kush gets away mid distance and step tank then I think, because he stays with the group

[coral ibex]

ill have to give it a try this week

[kindred hinge]

One of the variation Squishy yes

[prime hull]

Should i try to keep up the 2nd envenom or the first one here?

[snow juniper]

!wa

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[cloud crown]

can i ask whats tc's mean on the pin(pooling)? im not english speaker

[coral ibex]

stepping out has felt very safe, i usually step to someone who is close enough that i get yoinked back to melee

[clever sapphire]

both

[brave swift]

is there a list of them outside of whisper's pinned suggestions

[novel star]

@prime hull first, on the right

the blue bar is pandemic window

[clever sapphire]

wait huh you want 2 envenoms up no?

or did i misunderstand the question

[novel star]

yes that is what hitting envenom for the right one does

[coral ibex]

pooling is not pressing any button that spends energy while having 5+cp already

[clever sapphire]

aight i misunderstood the question

mb

[novel star]

first envenom is about to fall off, its in pandemic, so you hit envenom

[coral ibex]

you do this to maximize envenom uptime by refreshing envenom with <1s left

[novel star]

and then do it again

[kindred hinge]

No idea but it is just a few point change between Without a trace /lethality in general rogue and Dropping Amp/TKK too keep SD / Sanguine

[nova aspen]

is that LE's group?

[cloud crown]

i mean what is tc's

[prime hull]

Yes.

[distant plinth]

theorycrafters

[cloud crown]

oh thanks

[nova aspen]

i'm gonna try it out thanks, might change the combo point color

[upbeat sandal]

!WA

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[dapper valley]

so what does supercharger do?

[meager echo]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[coral ibex]

bruh

[dapper valley]

it just consome the combo point asif its 2?

[coral ibex]

read the talent

[tacit wedge]

Which talent can i take instead of Sanguine Blades?

[nimble vector]

stepping boss in intermission just puts you in melee range, but you need to be out a bit to spawn your web puddle not in the middle of the raid

[coral ibex]

you will find out

[novel star]

m+?

[kindred hinge]

MA if you have subt

[tacit wedge]

m+

[novel star]

yea MA i guess is the only option

but bad if you arent using subterfuge

[tacit wedge]

fck

[dapper valley]

so if i have max 7cp + a charged one, i will eviscerate asif i have 8cp?

[tacit wedge]

I'm not ready for the subterfuge pill

[coral ibex]

no, it will be 9

[novel star]

9

[dapper valley]

insane

[coral ibex]

because its +2

[tulip tide]

!wa

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[brave swift]

what is the benefit of subterfuge without master assasin?

[kindred hinge]

You would still take MA each time out subt

[brave swift]

ok that makes sense

[pseudo cosmos]

It’s not bad just swallow it with some water

[kindred hinge]

The question is if you want TKK /AMP / SBS /SD / SB

[tacit wedge]

i just don't like how this m+ build feels without lightweight shiv, but i can't take sanguine blade out without losing all my bleed talents, and i'm playing the bleed build

[kindred hinge]

Because you have too choose between those 5

[brave swift]

feels crazy to drop sudden demise /sanguine

[tacit wedge]

i take enough pill every day, one more would be too much

[nova aspen]

i agree

[brave swift]

for low keys sudden death seems obvious

[nova aspen]

sanguine with unlimited energy in m+

[brave swift]

but for 11+

[kindred hinge]

The build in discussion before whysper went to bed with SD/SB was this one but cooking not finished so for now no real answer

[tacit wedge]

ig i'll drop supercharger because it's bugged, and try subterfuge/MA

[hearty tendon]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[strange python]

Is the Luxthos WA tracking multiple envenoms? don't think it is

[charred salmon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dapper valley]

do you guys prefer luxthos or afenar?

[tacit wedge]

afenar aesthetic-wise

luxthos sometimes has crazy good custom code

[robust axle]

Neither

[brave swift]

this looks sexy

[potent moon]

any theorycrafters here to help wit the decision between master assassin and sanguine blades/ dashing scoundrel? also, is the goal now to keep 2 stacks of envenom if you have enough crit, does that reach some equilibrium energy wise?

[low kernel]

Roughly how much of a DPS loss is it if I just don't vanish at all to re-apply improved garrote during DM?

[calm grail]

What counts as a "Low key" is 10+ high enough to warrant changes?

[kindred hinge]

I hahve tried 3 or 4 variation in 12s today and not seen much difference but obviously Key results are anecdotal and I don't play perfectly

[calm grail]

Like I see some TTK in 12+

[rocky haven]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[brave swift]

i mean at item level now, i run bleed build in 10s

[tacit wedge]

i wouldn't count 10+ as "low", for me low stops at 7

[round perch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[cobalt haven]

When will Hekili update so I can blast again

[dapper valley]

im gonna move action bars bit higher and it should be enough for pve no?

[tacit wedge]

if i speak about Hekili users...

[brave swift]

low key to me is anything where i benefit the most from sudden death

[tacit wedge]

So we're asking personal inputs now? UI is strictly personal

[kindred hinge]

Yeah but dps in lowkey doesn't matter

[brave swift]

was just answering their question

[dawn heath]

outlaw bugged

people are exploiting in keys to time big keys

[molten echo]

Idd

[dapper valley]

i mean with this theres no need for wago packs right

[tacit wedge]

what

[errant mauve]

SD better in low keys and loses value in high keys?

[dawn heath]

3.4mil overall no aug

[jaunty dew]

Yeah I currently run this on the hybrid

[dapper valley]

well nvm idk, think ill try luxthos or afenar

[hushed hearth]

heyo, are they nerfed crimson tempest or just tooltip bug? went from 1m+dmg to 300k on tooltip

[spice surge]

If you dont want to use a WA pack then dont

[jaunty dew]

I'm happy to avoid SD as it loses a lot of value on high keys

[novel star]

tooltip

[grand trail]

so i did quick comparasion this bleed vs envenom buiild and both felt good to play tbh, sorry for resize issue

[spice surge]

No idea, tooltips are almost always inaccurate anyway

[onyx linden]

What's bugged about it

[dapper valley]

afenar seems to be more popular

[brave swift]

i think i like lightweight shiv > improved poisons here

[spice surge]

!wa

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[novel star]

ct numbers didnt get changed at all

[dawn heath]

im not exactly sure but he was maintaning 6 buffs the entire duengon

[novel star]

just the tooltip

[dawn heath]

all the buffs

[tacit wedge]

if this isn't your UI, you're nerfing your dps

[hushed hearth]

tyvm

[dapper valley]

but luxthos is more updated

[fresh kelp]

It’s old trickster bug that got fixed and then reverted with new patch

[potent moon]

anyone have some insight into how to handle the overlapping envenoms?

[kindred hinge]

Pandemic the lowest one

[tacit wedge]

i refuse to show my UI seen from OBS because I don't want to show my vtuber-sona

[novel star]

you still just refresh in pandemic

[dawn heath]

wtf am i looking at

[novel star]

while maintaining 2 stacks instead of 1

[dapper valley]

afenar last update is 8 oct

[tacit wedge]

what

[spice spire]

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[novel star]

so set up envenom 1 -> mash envenom 2 -> pandemic env 1 -> pandemic env 2 -> repeat

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lone crescent]

wow details name twinsies

[pseudo cosmos]

Am running this too

[tacit wedge]

it's whispyr pack

[tacit wedge]

your details name is also washed up raider?

[jaunty dew]

not bad

[paper hemlock]

!wa

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[spice spire]

People do edit off of afenar tho

Like

Constantly

[lone crescent]

haha, no just "washed up"

[potent moon]

i seem to run into an energy issue trying to do that while also not accidentally going to drink a damn tea at 30

[primal jolt]

there seems to be some bug in LFR about the scaling there's a lvl 45 rogue oneshotting every boss

[pseudo cosmos]

LE pack is the cleanest one for me tbh

Just

[novel star]

auto tea loses less than 0.2%dps if you proc it, dont bother thinking about it

[dapper valley]

oh nice lemme grabs

[novel star]

but yeah you cant guarantee 200% envenom uptime

just try your best

[safe barn]

quick question for the regulars

[novel star]

like we did before with 100%

[safe barn]

in this scenario, do I want to mut again?

[potent moon]

aaah ok, so i can't 100% it, that was the other thing i was gonna ask

[novel star]

yes

[tacit wedge]

on Carapace, i was on the evil path, my Details name was a 800 characters paragraph that would turn the fight into a diaporama if you had your mouse hovering my name

[crisp stream]

which wa is this in the center?

[safe barn]

ok, ive been doing right then

[jaunty dew]

Lux

[lone crescent]

besides whispyr's WA being updated, what's the difference between that WA and stock afenar?

[kindred hinge]

TDN is considered like a CD so you proc it asap

[potent moon]

by the way, is there a crit % where dashing scoundrel lets you keep an almost steady energy lvl with 2 envenoms uptime?

[jaunty dew]

I did some editing and added some triggers and conditions because it doesnt track 8 seconds for shiv or 6 seconds for tea on KB

[cobalt sphinx]

imagine progging anything difficult right now without 8 chain lightning merchants on the roster

[tacit wedge]

idk why pinging me, but i have no idea and i don't run dashing scoundrel

[potent moon]

answered the wrong man my bad X)

[spring briar]

i can see literally nothing xD

[royal lantern]

afenar baseline is updated very slow and tracks a shiton of thingss that dont need tracking/doesnt track things that SHOULD be tracked

[spice spire]

Yep

[safe barn]

thank you all

[desert vault]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[lone crescent]

gotcha, much appreciated.

[novel star]

i feel so dirty using tea shiv macro

[blazing egret]

does anyone else feel like you lost dps in singletarget because of not taleting echoing reprimand and thistle tea activating automaticly?

[novel star]

but i guess its time

[novel star]

No

[cobalt sphinx]

put a /say uwu in there

[coral ibex]

no

[cobalt sphinx]

does that help

[novel star]

i feel like i gained 6% damage because the math tells me i gained 6% damage

[nova aspen]

out law

[potent moon]

last build i got from whyspr was with dashing scoundrel, idk if that only starts working well at some crit %

[blazing egret]

idk but assasiantion feels off for me atm

[novel star]

well

its not

but maybe you just dont like the new playstyle

which is valid

[blazing egret]

its the same -2 buttons

[tired gull]

ret pally wake of ashes on doomwalker....

[blazing egret]

but i usually pressed thistletea when i bursted

and reprimand also

and reprimand also helped when i am low energy

[novel star]

if you were holding reprimand for cds you were playing wrong anyway

but yeah

[stoic shale]

Yo does anyone playing Mech Gnom ? got a question

[kindred hinge]

He was not max lvl right ? I have seen lvl 50s on shotting the LFR today

[tacit wedge]

we should ask Infexious for his pawn string

[novel star]

the situations where reprimand helped while we are fucked on energy just wouldnt really come up that much now anyway

[tired gull]

623 ilvl

[novel star]

because energy isnt that bad

anymore

[blazing egret]

what talents are you playing

mind me asking

[novel star]

the ones on wowhead.com

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tacit wedge]

the ones on wowhead(dot)com

[novel star]

imp poisons + vv changed to ttk+MA

[blazing egret]

the mythic + one right? which echoing reprimand is not talented

[novel star]

oh m+ talents

uh

i dont think those are really changed rn

[blazing egret]

they did a little

they dropped echoing reprimand

[novel star]

you can play ma or just the old one and its same shit

[potent moon]

didn't use to play on english until recently, which one was ttk?

[novel star]

twist the knife, next to amp poison

[potent moon]

aaah, thanks

[dapper cradle]

[robust axle]

So basically Always keep pandemic on your lowest stack of envenom, and have a 2nd up when possible is what im getting from the pin - do I understand that correctly?

[spare shoal]

!wa

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[hollow talon]

Which subterfuge m+ build should I u do

[placid wave]

Has anyone had any luck trying to fit Twist the knife into a m+ build yet? It seems absurd

[potent moon]

btw, do you run Dashing scoundrel in raid build or does that not help as much keeping 2 env up as much as it looks

[novel star]

yes you do

[worldly nebula]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[novel star]

all of this is on the guide though

[tired gull]

sigh from a quest chest

[novel star]

should really just get talents from wowhead instead of overthinking it

[kindred hinge]

Either the one above or Remoove SD /SB for TTK /AMP

[velvet bridge]

the nelf racial doesnt work ?

[hollow talon]

Ty brother

[potent moon]

was just curious, got pretty much to sim dps before the changes, now i feel like i am missing smth but might just be getting used to it 😄

[forest nacelle]

bleed focus?

[novel star]

i mean

you should feel like you have significantly more energy than you did last week

[kindred hinge]

Final build not cooked, there is a few 2/3 point variation It will me more clear in a few days

[potent moon]

i do indeed

[novel star]

if you dont feel this then something is wrong

but

yea

ur never gonna get 100% uptime on both envenoms

[crystal delta]

Any relevant loot for us in BRD?

[novel star]

just not happening

[olive tree]

So i cant find any absolute answer to this but is transmitter > skardyns even in raid ? got both on hero track and wondering if 626ing it is worth it (guild is at ovinax rn and idk if i can get myth transmitter early enough to make me regret those 30 crests) :-x sorryin advance

[novel star]

nope

[warm vortex]

Still feel like im running out of energy in ST
might be because my deathstalkers mark just dissapears from the bug

[potent moon]

then all is clear, thanks 😄

[fleet turtle]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[crystal delta]

how bad does the auto tea drink at 30 energy feel?

[kindred hinge]

Irrelevant

[coral ibex]

i literally do not notice it

[potent moon]

gotta find something to but on the reprimand button though 😂

[coral ibex]

if you are noticing it you are experiencing a skill issue

[crystal delta]

oh right, does our talentbuild change ?

[echo island]

I dont like it tbh

xd

[junior isle]

Energy management in m+ seems weird

[warm vortex]

Im noticing it but then again that could be due to the deathstalkers bug

[spice spire]

What do you mean

[potent moon]

the what O.O

[coral ibex]

sometimes your mark just vanishes

hehe

silly little mark

[pseudo cosmos]

[dapper cradle]

the mark vanishing is so sick

[echo island]

oh my good

[potent moon]

and i thought that was on me in that raid earlier, WHAT

[crystal delta]

does our talentbuild change now with this weeks patch tho?

[dapper cradle]

is it unironically a fatebound angle

until they fix DM

[spice spire]

Yes pins

[potent moon]

wowhead got you 🙂

[keen spruce]

oh is the mark dropping thing new

[coral ibex]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[keen spruce]

I assumed I was goofin something

[dapper cradle]

yeah bro since reset

[keen spruce]

Iwas getting giga tilted

[dapper cradle]

outlaw losing BF, we're losing marks

[spice spire]

Why are you playing shmeeps

[keen spruce]

girl asked me to do 7s

[spice spire]

Simp

[coral ibex]

can't imagine the level of crash out if i was playing outlaw and bf just turned off randomly

[onyx linden]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7kJVqCt9L1BPaNAz#fight=22&type=damage-done&source=8
LMAO he has all his buffs up 100% uptime

[tawdry hamlet]

i got skardyn's and dawnbreaker trinket, i heard its bis, but the ring looks so good.. any ideas folks

[blazing egret]

@novel star do you have a wa which shows which combopoint has been supercharged by Shiv? or am i reading something wrong about that talent tooltip

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

you dont need a weakaura to track supercharger

[willow vine]

it doesn't work that way anymore

[coral ibex]

it doesn't affect a particular combo point

[unique summit]

launcher big

[coral ibex]

your next finisher gets +2/3 cp added

its that simple

[blazing egret]

ah though it affected a particular combo point like reprimand

[coral ibex]

dont think about it

[jade abyss]

why is shadowsteo not in my spellbook with a new rogue?

[warm vortex]

Also my rotation might be scufdfed due to the lag

[coral ibex]

its not baseline

[blazing egret]

so its a waste if i spend it on 7 combopointts

[coral ibex]

no

combo points are linear

[undone eagle]

12 seconds silence garrote spam, what did blizz even think? 💀 '

[coral ibex]

if you send 7cp envenom with supercharger, you get a 9cp envenom

[junior isle]

Just feel like with the thistle tea Change I’m running out of teas on single target fights in 10+

[nova aspen]

we can put dawnlining on cape craft, right?

[noble nymph]

would you guys use transmitter trinket in m+ as well?

[blazing egret]

i felt the same

[jade abyss]

it wil be there when i skill the second charge ?

[coral ibex]

you will get shadowstep upon choosing sub or assa spec

since it was removed entirely from outlaw

[crystal delta]

So we now play MA and Improved Garrote in ST instead of Vicious Venoms?? how come - seems odd to me

[junior isle]

Watch whispyrs video he explains it

[novel star]

you dont care about imp garrote, you take it for master assassin

[coral ibex]

read the pins

[eager gazelle]

vicious venoms burns energy that you want to be spending on envenom instead

[dapper valley]

ai setup done for tonite raiding

[warm vortex]

Ok do we still need to pool

literally running out of energy in sty

[junior isle]

Iirs cuz of

[novel star]

and vicious venoms is bad because we want infinite energy to have 200% env uptime

[warm vortex]

using all teas automatically

[junior isle]

It’s cuz of master assassin

[noble nymph]

cause it doenst sim that well in dungeon slice

[rugged sphinx]

when i press shiv, am i supposed to see a supercharger buff?

[novel star]

talents that steal your energy (sang,vv) were ok before because envenom was near 100% even with them

[sinful shale]

yes i have a massive weapon going through my character

[coral ibex]

i mean if you dont want to auto use tea, dont go under 30 energy

[novel star]

but now we can theoretically aim for 200% envenom uptime but its not actually reachable

[coral ibex]

its very straightforward

[novel star]

so energy is just always good

[spice spire]

Ur good

[royal lantern]

ofc you take the ring lol

not even a question lol

the triket is a generic drop

[novel star]

thanks babycakes

[royal lantern]

the ring is a rare drop

[faint vessel]

its ring bb

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s ring all day big dog

[faint vessel]

that ring is better than any mythic ring youre getting

[novel star]

did i flex this in here yesterday

[faint vessel]

dont even think about it and move on

[novel star]

based loot council

[golden loom]

using vanish for MA feels kinda bad incase mark bugs

[warm vortex]

So we still pool?

[spice spire]

Damn bbgirl you thick af with gear

[warm vortex]

Im running out of energy if i dont

[novel star]

Fr

i have all 4 very rares now

well

[undone eagle]

have my children uwu

[novel star]

only one myth track

but like

hero warpblade/neck/ring and myth cape

[faint vessel]

'only hero track poisoned pact'

[rigid tartan]

why did he cast SnD

[faint vessel]

meanwhile my guild has to cut half the roster and kill H ansurek on an off night

[novel star]

and my guild isnt sitting me for sikran so i have neck vault chances forever

[raw wyvern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice surge]

Yes, dont exploit

[royal lantern]

MW monk having infinite procs

this patch

this fucking patch

is so funny

[cerulean violet]

!wa

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[ebon geyser]

did our rotation change after patch?

[royal lantern]

no

[robust axle]

So basically Always keep pandemic on your lowest stack of envenom, and have a 2nd up when possible is what im getting from the pin - do I understand that correctly?

[novel star]

Ye

but "when possible" means like

legit mash it if you can

but yeh

[onyx linden]

I dunno, I don't know what the bug is. Seems like he just has no cds

[novel star]

once you have 2 up you just pandemic the lower one

[robust axle]

Thanks!

[robust axle]

When you say the lower one

Do you mean the one with least duration?

[novel star]

shorter duration of the two applied

yeah

[spice surge]

He has coup for every dispatch, its an exploit that is going to get fixed asap. Dont do it

[weak vigil]

anyone got link to whispyrs WA with 2 bars for envenom?

[novel star]

so like

[sick scarab]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice surge]

!wa

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[novel star]

apply envenom 1 -> instantly apply envenom 2 -> wait to pandemic env 1 -> pandemic env 2

loop

[weak vigil]

that one dossnt seem to be updated?

[robust axle]

Got you, thanks

[warm vortex]

Oh my dumbass was trying to upkeep 2 stacks of enevenom all the time

[novel star]

still giga spamming in shiv tho

[warm vortex]

dumby

[novel star]

you should be

[lilac sonnet]

Guys, when do we activate SnD now ? in M+

[tough canyon]

!wa

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[novel star]

its not possible to have 100% uptime on both

but you are still trying to max out uptime

[karmic stream]

Is trailspinner a neck I can be satisfied with? Outsimming Sureki by quite alot for me and close to emergency Keychain even. In terms of BiS.

[warm vortex]

How?
I just run out of energy if i do that

[scenic kiln]

with first envenom

[novel star]

exactly

ttk is their solution

to forcing you to still run out of energy

by giving you a new impossible goal

100% envenom was too possible

[warm vortex]

Oh ok

[novel star]

so now the goal is 200%

and you cant get 200%

[warm vortex]

Lmao

[novel star]

so you just spend all your energy trying and failing to get 200

[warm vortex]

so i should just focus on keeping one up

and then get 2 in burst

[novel star]

no

[crystal delta]

we sure that we dont want the fire dot proc dagger for offhand from 2nd last boss brd?

[warm vortex]

Tf do i do then

[novel star]

you should be trying to have 200% uptime for the entire fight

[warm vortex]

if i can't upkeep 2

[royal lantern]

@spice surge wait, is the tea macro ok now, or not

[novel star]

its not attainable but its still the goal

[warm vortex]

well that just makes me run out of energy

[novel star]

yes which is assassination rogue

[spice surge]

its ok

I was silly

[novel star]

youre supposed to run out of energy

[warm vortex]

And not have enough for KB burst because i auto use tea

[onyx linden]

I feel like it has to be more than that. Hes casting KiR every 20 seconds. That makes no sense lol

[dapper valley]

lmao this new tea is so idk...

[novel star]

then u just pool before kb a bit idk

[rotund hornet]

!wa

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[pseudo cosmos]

Full send gg ez

[empty timber]

is fate build really that easier than death build ?

[inland escarp]

If you use first tea during kb, it should be back for every kb

[warm vortex]

Aight

[novel star]

eh

fatebound is kinda particular

still

with cb dm shit

[shell kraken]

So with the Twisting Knife WA from LE
Do we want to Envenom on the last second on the "other Envenombuff"?

[tranquil birch]

No. I do find it a lot easier in m+ tho

[novel star]

doesnt really do anything

[opaque sand]

Im getting crazy lag/delay on my skills today. Are servers shitting themselves or what?

[dapper valley]

but depletes my tea out of nowhere without me really opting for it

[crystal delta]

ohhh and - do we want to be dracthyr? 😄

[novel star]

ok sure but allow me to copy paste a line from the pinned messages

Sims avoiding tea perfectly is +2k dps (+0.18%)

+2k dps (+0.18%)

Who

Cares

i dont

[dapper valley]

aye

[novel star]

lmfao

[royal lantern]

i do

[mighty vine]

Fate is simming -0.150024% compared to mark in single target for me. Might just shut my brain off and do that

[novel star]

it feels kinda bad

cause in your head sure like

tea in burst good!!!

but

[willow vine]

yeah you just want to pandemic the first iteration of envenom

[novel star]

numerically

its just not relevant

ultimately the reality is energy in burst good

[stable hamlet]

any new changes in raid spec or the old one its still viable

?

[novel star]

and as longas ur tea isnt wasting any energy

which auto tea cant

ur gna be fine

[faint vessel]

I um....am kinda dumb. Im using Lis' standalone envenom WA. Just to confirm - being under blue tick mark is the pandemic window for the lowest stack?

[novel star]

just pool an itty bitty bit and ur vibing

[novel star]

yeah builds changed

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

wowhead is updated

[wary copper]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[warm vortex]

Tbh im just gonna play the exact same as i did before pooling just before reseting the first one
and just using x2 envenom during cds this feels impossible

[quartz yarrow]

in the LE Envenom WA, what is the blue tick? Pandemic?

[novel star]

mhm

[faint vessel]

so hit envenom under blue tick to pandemic that stack, yes?

[novel star]

mhm

[faint vessel]

ty

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[subtle field]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[surreal veldt]

Hey lads. Want to give a go to rogue, comin' back to the game. Planning on leveling a sin rogue. Races wise, is Dracthyr ok for rogues ?

[scenic kiln]

middle of pack

[novel star]

races dont really matter

[scenic kiln]

pick whatever race u like best

unless ur pushing world first that shit dont amtter

[faint vessel]

dwarf for M+ real nice

[mental kestrel]

!wa

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[faint vessel]

pick the thing you like, but if you want something that consistently helps in a key dwarf real cute

[surreal veldt]

Alright, thanks ! Will keep that in mind. 🙂

[urban raft]

Tauren is bis

[faint vessel]

i was just about to say or just be tauren

because its awesome

[urban raft]

Rogue tauren looks cool

[grim jay]

kinda twisted definition of cool

[jaunty hill]

I have just seen a Dracthyr Sin Rogue cought me completly offguard with tailsweep

[royal lantern]

i kinda doubt that

[faint vessel]

if they didnt nerf glide speed id have gone dracthyr

[royal lantern]

cus they dont have that ability

[novel star]

isnt it wing buffet

not sweep

[faint vessel]

one of em

[jaunty hill]

Or buffet but damn it was weird

[faint vessel]

i play a decent amount of aug and i have no idea which is which

[novel star]

buffet is the knock sweep is the stop

p sure race has knock

[warm vortex]

Still feels like im running out of energy if i don't pool like i did before the patch

[novel star]

evoker has stop

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the small differencre bettwen a knockback and aoe cc

man

[wicked valve]

I got the mistcaller ocaraina as my one and only mythic choice this week. Everyone point and laugh at me.

[faint vessel]

I know the difference in what they do

I dont know their names

obv Im not knocking back when I mean to knockup 😦

[novel star]

didnt say you were

im saying

the dracthyr race got the knock

[faint vessel]

no tryan hah

[novel star]

ah

kk lol

[jaunty hill]

Damn what have I done?

[floral fractal]

any of these for timers? like SliceAdmiral addon

[novel star]

yeah idk thats just a silly message

there is a massive difference between stops and knocks

[thick citrus]

If serious question, the first official release for the patch should be up on curseforge within 10-20 mins. Sin still has some issues to be sorted through but it works fine.

[faint vessel]

ofc there is

I just meant the name goofs

[novel star]

[faint vessel]

I put the buttons on the bar and never read them again

[novel star]

ok im double silly

cus i misread tyrans message

[floral fractal]

people actually use that trash?

[novel star]

whatever man i should finish coffee before i read this place

too much going on

[faint vessel]

its chaos in here

[jaunty hill]

I was knocked away 10 miles agains the wind and did not see this coming at all

[faint vessel]

its great

[rare owl]

!wa

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[warm vortex]

Assa St honestly feels worse rn
either that or im playing it wrong but it feels even worse energy wise if i try and upkeed 2x TTK

[raven panther]

I don't get the shiv/tea macro ? how is it good ? Like in my opener if I do the macro I lose so much energy, I shiv before KB and 6sec into KB, but most of the time I have 200 energy or more, especially on the first one

[rugged sphinx]

not sure what to put in my SnD and ER keybinds

first world problems

[novel star]

think the idea is we just have so much energy income anyway that it doesnt matter as much anymore

[dapper valley]

nice bleeds dont break stealth no more 100 now

[faint vessel]

all the space for activites

[desert vault]

Still nightly build for sims?

[novel star]

ya

[desert vault]

Thanks

[quasi stump]

yknow what im pissed about

[rugged sphinx]

i wasnt even struggling for keybinds

[unborn summit]

!wa

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[novel star]

always nightly unless told otherwise tbh

[quasi stump]

im still having to use my adventurer dagger

[faint vessel]

soo subterfurge & TTK & MA ye?

[quasi stump]

i havent gotten any other dagger

[arctic socket]

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