assassination

[blissful cosmos]

alright

[tacit wedge]

i've been SnD hater since it was brought back in Legion

[real pike]

exactly

[verbal flower]

Suck n duck

[royal lantern]

my brother in christ, EU didnt even play yet

[bold glen]

Slice aNd Dice

[dawn heath]

bro

[marble hemlock]

If you only ever press buttons when youre above 80 Energy, you will never hit sub 30.

[subtle tundra]

ill fight you on that

[twilit girder]

Am I missing something, how are people getting ER with 1 point in Supercharger?

[dawn heath]

i'm looking at new logs

[half echo]

i got huge lags since today, maybe anyone else , could it be the whispyr Plater setting ?

[royal lantern]

*SL

legion it was a optional talent for yahtzee pirate that you didnt touch

[tacit wedge]

no rushed setup

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well, don't choke me or I might cum

[bold glen]

bugged talents, it's showing last weeks talent setup into new patch talent ui

[somber geyser]

How are people comparing ER with the new shitty supercharger....
We got 10 free overloaded CPs and now we get 1 ONE!!! for every shiv

[tacit wedge]

yeah and even in Legion i thought it was pointless as a talent

[subtle tundra]

noted for future reference

[somber geyser]

If thats not a nerf than that is...

[grim jay]

Calm down

[subtle tundra]

WOOF

[twilit girder]

Ahh ty

[hallow sonnet]

You do get lethality as well

[spice spire]

Dog

[twilit girder]

Anyone got an M+ build code they can share for this patch?

[barren island]

If you are not worried about parsing above 98% I doubt you need to worry about tea lol

[grim jay]

Its the only thing that keeps varas in check

[spice surge]

Before you'd get 9 cp spread over 45 seconds, now you get 6 cp during your shiv, thats not a nerf.

[marble hemlock]

I hate to break it to people, but even if you plan on parsing 100, you don't have to worry about tea.

[worldly sentinel]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[faint vessel]

Where is this nerf people keep complaining about

[spice spire]

You can usually steer varas from menty bs

[earnest remnant]

ill worry

frick u

[grave trail]

Cause some people hated the mitigame and its ine less thing to think about how is it confusing?

[earnest remnant]

just to spite you

[grave trail]

Minigame

I personally.didnt mind it

[normal mist]

What nerf?

[marble hemlock]

Sorry, can't hear you from down where you're talking, Gnome player.

[tacit wedge]

The "new" echoing reprimand is bait, because you lose Rushed Setup&one point of Lethality

[faint vessel]

Exactly

[spice spire]

Log back into lost ark lil bro

[earnest remnant]

cant hear you stuck in a root over there

[grand comet]

is there any busted items that i need to get from the BRD vendor?

[earnest remnant]

servers are down bozo

[faint vessel]

Nope

[novel star]

no

[normal mist]

No

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Insane didn’t ask tho

[grave trail]

It's coming next week

[faint vessel]

And based on our fun run in BRD last night fuck that raid

[marble hemlock]

jokes on you, were still wiping on court

[grim jay]

Monk and dk transmog

[normal mist]

[subtle tundra]

dont wipe, let it crust

[marble hemlock]

Gentleman's nap, I respect it

[half echo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[somber geyser]

How do I get 6 points during my shiv?

[earnest remnant]

insane that you think it matters if you ask or not

mr red name

actual random now

[marble hemlock]

always has been

[earnest remnant]

[marble hemlock]

(i love him tho)

[spice surge]

3+3=6. Obviously if you dont spec into all of it and spec lethality instead you dont get that many. But likewise you wouldnt have gotten that many if you specced lethality in 11.0 either

[spice spire]

Yet you’re my reply guy

Curious!

[wise kraken]

hey i've a question what is the mimimum we want in haste ? im 630 with 2600 haste is that too low ? for mm+ . thx for your answer

[earnest remnant]

am i your reply guy?

[subtle tundra]

0 is the minimum

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

maximum is 120k

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[marble hemlock]

I honestly don't think ER got changed because of Assa anyway

Psure they changed it cuz it was a dog button for Outlaw/Sub

[opal tendon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

it got changed cus people complained about button bloat

[normal mist]

Fuck

[wise kraken]

ok thank you

[normal mist]

This fucking channel looks like outlaw in a slow day

[grave trail]

I liked it on outlaw

[subtle tundra]

what button bloat my dog cause i struggle to find shit to press

[somber geyser]

2 in supercharger give me 2 what else give?

[normal mist]

I cant keep up

[grim jay]

Im sure they changed it because people were crying like babys because they didnt like ER and "button bloat"

[spice surge]

What? Two points in supercharger gives you 2+2, and then forced induction is another 1+1

[marble hemlock]

He's comparing Forced Induction+2 Supercharger to old ER

[novel star]

so we’ve confirmed now that pandemic on old envenom is optimal right ttk sims still weren’t working when i went to bed i think

[valid magnet]

hey, sry if this has been asked often already. is masterassassin bugged with subterfuge? if i restealth while subterfuge is stillt up i lose masterassassin/it still ticks down

[marble hemlock]

If you wanna compare old ER, you gotta compare the same level of commitment to it, which was 2 Talent Points before, now it'd be 3 (but you get more out of it if you do 3)

[faint vessel]

Better question is why subterfuge

[somber geyser]

I had none of them, only 1 point in Supercharger.. But thats what Wowhead is saying is the best spec for m+ which clearly isnt..

[subtle tundra]

cause its pretty fucking good in m+

[grim jay]

Bcs pins

[subtle tundra]

restealths pog

[dusty phoenix]

it was amazing on outlaw

[faint vessel]

Ehhh thought most considered 12s IC unnecessary

[marble hemlock]

Well yeah, but trying to compare 1 point in Supercharger to 2 points in ER+Capstone also doesnt really make any sense does it

[faint vessel]

I understand what it does but sounded like it was viewed as not it

[spice spire]

It’s for MA

[grim jay]

Its not about ic

[novel star]

but it’s about iron wire and MA tho

[subtle tundra]

its mostly about MA being 12s and being able to garret for silences

[grave trail]

Ur basically old veng dh in m+ silence for days

[novel star]

12s ic is fake and bad

[faint vessel]

Iron wire rather, sorru

[grave trail]

Make key ez for monkeys

[spice spire]

Garret 12

Musclebrah would be farming

[faint vessel]

Yes 12s iron wires yes, y’all are enjoying it then?

[somber geyser]

Link me your build plz

[marble hemlock]

Yea I don't think being able to sillence an entire pack for 45 seconds is okay.

[subtle tundra]

yes here in asa we garret

[faint vessel]

Garret everything

[subtle tundra]

ill tell you saturday

[marble hemlock]

For what?

[somber geyser]

m+ ass

[spice spire]

Need a current day rendition

[fresh kelp]

Yea this is like even better than s3 vdh

[somber geyser]

To see what I am picking wrong

[marble hemlock]

Take the one from the guides for the time being, or follow the instructions in the pin about playing Subterfuge if you'd like. It's not quite figured out yet what the best M+ build is gonna end up looking.

[faint vessel]

oh the pins did get updated

[left sundial]

Rotation change?

[grave trail]

It's not really 45 seconds but it's a lot

[subtle tundra]

ambush garret 1 rupture rupture garret 2 mutilate ct dm kb fok fok envenom

[marble hemlock]

The subterfuge stuff came to light within the last like 48 hours, so it's not fully optimized yet.

[subtle tundra]

look at my dmg

[faint vessel]

yes thank you

[marble hemlock]

It is tho

[faint vessel]

the initial impressions and sims seemed to say eh

[pseudo cosmos]

am trying the subterfuge thing looks fun

[faint vessel]

ill give it a shot, I love 12s iron wire

[tacit wedge]

I can't wait for Zerocool to be live, so I'll know which talents are good (i just take the opposite of what he takes)

[grave trail]

How is it 45?

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

sims got like 100k in dslice with it

[fresh kelp]

Play nelf and silence a pack for a minute straight

[faint vessel]

it's like training wheels for your keys

[subtle tundra]

its uh

pretty good

[marble hemlock]

If you go double Vanish, you get 12 seconds of Garrotes which silence for 5 seconds, so thats 17 seconds of silence per set of Stealth, you get 3 of them.

[grim jay]

It would be fucking glorious if he now wouldnt use subter and without a trace

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

are you dmb/

[spice spire]

Ok dude

[subtle tundra]

?!?!?

[spice spire]

Mod abuse

[marble hemlock]

I'm not a mod

[frosty bridge]

tbh the TTK build he uses goes kinda hard ngl

[marble hemlock]

I'm a CF

[tacit wedge]

ok but dslice is bad because packs don't live long enough so most of your damage will come from sudden demise

[boreal epoch]

[marble hemlock]

[spice spire]

Cf abuse

[subtle tundra]

true sims are bad, everything is fake, feelcraft it, dog. go ham

[marble hemlock]

51 seconds is over 45 seconds

[crisp pine]

Source?

[grim jay]

Trust me bro

[tacit wedge]

where did i said that?

[marble hemlock]

So me saying "silencing a pack for 45 seconds is illegal" means that if you can silence for 51 seconds, my point still holds true.
q.e.d

[tacit wedge]

that's the whole waffle discourse again

[marble hemlock]

checkmate atheist

[spice surge]

Bro is simultaneously the victim and the perpetrator

[spice spire]

Hmmmm

[grave trail]

I guess if you don't do any set up other than garrote then yeah too lazy to do math so I'll believe you

[opaque sigil]

But MA build doesn’t take sudden demise afaik…

[spice spire]

That’s kinda me tbf

[primal cargo]

so am i correct that crit is now more important than mastery with the spec changes ?

[subtle tundra]

im just joking around cause i dont care about your argument

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

I mean even if you dont, you can just garrote twice, then do other stuff, garrote again if mobs start casting again, rinse repeat

[spice surge]

Playing for both teams i see you i see you

[spice spire]

Not just in this instance in general

Yessir

[faint vessel]

for Subterfuge we just move points from lethality if I read dpins right?

[spice surge]

Swinging both ways yepyep

[spice spire]

Fuck outlaw (but also love ur rogue brethren)

[marble hemlock]

Seems that way, yes

[faint vessel]

tyty

[spice spire]

What did he mean by this

[marble hemlock]

Not surprising that Quake swings both ways tbh

[subtle tundra]

he plays sub and assa

[faint vessel]

my regular tank is going to be so excited for 12s iron wire

[spice spire]

You shut ur mouth varas

[fleet mountain]

i cant believe i started out as outlaw xD

[spice spire]

I’d never

[grim jay]

Dont quakes usually swing in all directions?

We dont have any in germany

So I dont know how it works

[marble hemlock]

I think they mostly swing in 2, which is why its so damaging

[spice spire]

You’ll know soon

[marble hemlock]

If they swung in random directions it wouldn't create as much friction and damage

[marble hemlock]

Thats also not true, we had a few last year

[dawn kelp]

so is subterfuge the play in m+ seems like a lot are running it

[grim jay]

Where

[icy mantle]

wich talent correct?

for rogue

[marble hemlock]

Where I live

[subtle tundra]

my whore mouth will be shut

! ! !

[river acorn]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[delicate trench]

i kinda miss ER

[marble hemlock]

Southern BaWü had a 3.5-4.0 quake last year

[icy mantle]

for?

[tight condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[lusty thicket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grave trail]

Sp u don't waste it, puts it on a 5 sec cd I think

[opal scroll]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

I didnt get any of that

[languid frigate]

Which talent points do we think we are rearranging for subterfuge currently? Want to try some sims.

[grim jay]

Imagine how destructive @spice spire would be, since he is a 10

[spice spire]

That’s false bestie

[oblique plover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marble hemlock]

i mean he is pretty destructive. man is unironically worried about breaking peoples backs when he hugs them

[novel star]

shredded

[spice spire]

I’m not that

[deep gyro]

I think the change is recuperator and supercharger off and 1 point in lethality. For the 3 points needed to get to subterfuge.

[spice spire]

But yeah and?

[novel star]

Jacked

[crystal vault]

sim with latest/nightly or w/e?

[grim jay]

Thought quake would rather blow peoples backs out

[marble hemlock]

should pmuch always sim with nightly

[lime pelican]

any envenom overlap wa's?

[crystal vault]

someone said always with latest.

[marble hemlock]

Lisonna made one, dunno the link tho 😛

[spice spire]

Yeah whispyr

But

[deep gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Latest is a bit fucky

Or was

Oh nvm it’s fixed

Ignore

[marble hemlock]

if it was whispyr, listen to him

[crystal vault]

[spice spire]

It’s rare that latest ever has an issue

But it did yesterday

[idle roost]

so... are there some optimal talents alreadyor ppl is testing?

[royal lantern]

even if its day?

[lime pelican]

how can find it?

[spice surge]

Latest sometimes gets updates where people accidently did the wrong thing so it can occasionally be wrong, but 99% of the time its fine

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lime pelican]

are these wa's updated with the envenvom overlap

[deep gyro]

I did the wa command too.

[marble hemlock]

Psure it's part of the LE's Group WA pack

[spice surge]

Whispyr and LEs are ye

[spice spire]

It’s either in collection or in group

Idr

[lime pelican]

thnx

[spice spire]

I didn’t push whispyr’s change last night

[spice surge]

Possibly the others too but idk

[tacit otter]

Here

[crystal sierra]

how does Ara-Kara Sacbrood work? Do I have to be in combat for 1min+ for it to be worth?

[half dawn]

How long before ele sham is dead? 1 day? Before the weekend?

[icy mantle]

talent muscleba

[tacit wedge]

Sir/ma'am, this is the sin rogue discord channel, we don't know abt ele sham

[vestal wren]

nice picture, but does not fit

[trim isle]

dont use him for how to play properly lol

[tacit wedge]

I miss Infexious Gaming, i'm sure he'd have cooked a insane talent tree

[marble hemlock]

i dont even know if theres any reason to track both envenom stack durations

[spice spire]

[spice surge]

Ye to me it seems like tracking the lowest duration one is good enough

[icy mantle]

Is this tree not correct??

[idle roost]

no serrated?

[trim isle]

"heres how i parsed 100 on a normal boss with these insane talents!"

[marble hemlock]

which any old envenom tracking WA will do

[merry bison]

does someone know where the warcraftlog files are saved on the computer, need to delete them

[final dawn]

this certainly has already been answered, but with supercharger we are still aiming for 5+ cp on the finisher?

[tacit wedge]

no serrated in m+ is cringe

[spice surge]

In the logs file in your wow directory

[merry bison]

ty eleem ❤️

[orchid wind]

is double lethality better or 2x point supercharger ?

[marble hemlock]

World of Warcraft/retail/Logs

[icy mantle]

2.10m in overall

[tacit wedge]

the pawn string

[royal lantern]

can talk with whisp around it i gues, idk

[candid token]

I've really tried to find the answer, but do we play around TTK or just let it exist, or could someone direct me to somewhere I can read about it?

[tacit wedge]

and? serrated is still BiS for m+

[marble hemlock]

it just kinda exists and you play as before

[merry bison]

Just deleted them, thanks a lot again

:3

[icy mantle]

zerocool play with two vanish

[candid token]

Cool cool, big thanks

[marble hemlock]

with longer duration envenoms you just end up getting double stack naturally for like half the fight

[rain wraith]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[trim isle]

zero plays with it cause he likes the playstyle, it doesnt do more damage

[royal lantern]

good for him, its still really bad and should not be done

[novel star]

think this guy is baiting

[spice surge]

Subterfuge in M+ is looking good (master assassin is large), without a trace not so much but it's either that or lethality so play whatever honestly

Per the pin

[novel star]

don’t bother

[dawn heath]

lost the ring from queen to some rat

[trim isle]

he just copies what strimmers do its ok he'll learn eventually

[dawn heath]

:sadge:

[marble hemlock]

gonna copypaste what i wrote yday

In reference to playing Without a Trace or cheat vs elusiveness, its really simple in my opinion.

if you have to ask, you pick cheat and dont play without a trace, because if you were in a position where elusiveness/without a trace were better choices, youd know already.

[novel star]

[grave osprey]

Whats the effective duration of MA with Subterfuge?

[icy mantle]

wich talent correct? kushl play different

[novel star]

12s

[spice surge]

After the changes trace is a lot less bad though tbf

[tacit wedge]

the one provided by Whispyr

[grave osprey]

Ah kk, ty!

[marble hemlock]

ye but youd still not rteally play it for DPS

vanish for DPS is cringe

[trim isle]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZGmhHYAAAAAAYWgtZAAAAAAottZmhZmxYmZWmlxYwMzMzgZmZbbZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA for m+

[grim jay]

Didnt

[novel star]

i have to step away so i don’t say something bad to this individual

[marble hemlock]

but with the MA and subterfuge change its actually a thing again, which i hate

[spice surge]

But we could recommend it so we get fewer people in here yapping about restealths?

[marble hemlock]

idk im going scorched earth now

so i recommend ethereal cloak

[tulip fern]

buT cHaiN pUlLs loWeR mY dpS

[tacit wedge]

same, i can be very heated when it comes to Zerocool or Heliki users

[faint vessel]

so if I play subterfuge Im getting rid of 4 buttons in M+? ER, SnD, Tea (macrod to shiv), and supercharger?!

[grave osprey]

What should we be dropping to take Subterfuge? Lethality and Echoing reprimand?

[unreal kayak]

anyone know of any bugs on mythic bosses since its patch day ?

[icy mantle]

can send print?

[delicate trench]

has anyone tried something like this ?

[marble hemlock]

assuming you macro tea and shiv, ye

[faint vessel]

yeah

[trim isle]

just look on wowhead man

ffs

[faint vessel]

ahaha thats hilarious

[icy mantle]

twist and knife?

[quick shore]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[marble hemlock]

yes, as the pin says.

[grim jay]

3

Tho

Supercharger aint a button

[dawn merlin]

that sims quite well for me, going to try it later today ye

[delicate trench]

okay i thought i was the only one. let me know how it went for you too

[tulip fern]

Yo guys can anyone tell me exactly what is said in the wowhead guide, word for word please

kek

[grim jay]

Whoever wrote the pins did

[royal lantern]

press buttons

[marble hemlock]

says ||bait used to be believable||

[icy mantle]

lol

[deep gyro]

That was the build that started the whole subterfuge is good talk

[dawn merlin]

with 2 in SoB tho

[half dawn]

Is it a twin screw supercharger tho?

[icy mantle]

trade talent with more damage in 35% low for stack evenon?

[grim jay]

Triple

[late surge]

wait seli, ur saying its not worth tracking both envenoms?

I asked whispyr earlier and he said it was

[delicate trench]

yeah but was dropping supercharge and lethjality for 2 subt better ?

[faint vessel]

oh true, duh.

[half dawn]

not a thing xd

[delicate trench]

i just wanted to know some feedback

[deep gyro]

Im too small brain for the sims but that was the highest simming m+ build as of what i heard yesterday

[grim jay]

Its getting tested

[sullen hollow]

im trying to cook this

[grim jay]

Now it is

[marble hemlock]

i dont think theres much you play around with. the only value i see is not casting a third envenom before the lower duration one is in pandemic, but realistically how often is that gonna happen

[grim jay]

[languid frigate]

Not taking serrated feels cringe, but it is simming a lot higher for me

[pliant terrace]

blizz about to send ele shaman back to classic with the nerf hammer

[grim jay]

Thats exactly what Whispyr said has value ye

[marble hemlock]

but ive also played the spec forever

[tall atlas]

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[marble hemlock]

so i know the pandemic values by heart

[tender bay]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[marble hemlock]

so theres value for people who are new to the spec, for sure

[late surge]

my old envenom tracker just tracked the higher duration one

and I think thats kinda grief

[grim jay]

Does also play worse tho

[tacit wedge]

I don't understand the point of Subterfuge+TTK, you take Subterfuge it's for more iron wire through garrote

[marble hemlock]

yeah that'd be poop

[split veldt]

so does this mean use envenom after vanish?

[late surge]

it just refreshed to the new one whenever I pressed envenom

so now I yoinked lisonnas one

[gentle fog]

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[marble hemlock]

ye ill prolly yoink the code that tracks the lower duration one, but cba the rest

[split veldt]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[late surge]

could u link that after

my goat seli

[marble hemlock]

no

[dusty phoenix]

if we are low-ish on energy, do we try to play around double envenom uptime at all or just slam envenom whenever possible?

[late surge]

oki

[marble hemlock]

[grim jay]

Its for damage aswell fam

[native heron]

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[late surge]

rood

[opaque sigil]

BM hunters along the way it seems lmao

[tulip fern]

is there any reason to still have SnD bound that I might be ignoring?

[grim jay]

No

[late surge]

no

[tacit wedge]

yoink it out of your bars

[tulip fern]

big

[tacit otter]

seperation anxiety

[tacit wedge]

into the bin

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/KmsYZq0.jpeg

okay the fuck is this

[tulip fern]

trigger warning

with triggers

[late surge]

combat log ones are for envenom tracking im psure

but im dumb with weakauras

[marble hemlock]

oh actually

[late surge]

and when I tried figuring that out

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/Va95Wv6.jpeg

[late surge]

my head exploded

[marble hemlock]

this might already do the trick for your case

[late surge]

HMM

no

its on that

xd

my current one is turbo weird tho

sometimes tracks old sometimes tracks new

so idek

its cooked

[native heron]

in "LE's Group" it includes twist the knife correct? or am I just missing a envenom bar? Just want to make sure im seeing things right.

[late surge]

yes

it does

Lisonna can I somehow increase width on the TTK bar

nothing changes when I change width in display

[gloomy otter]

hey quick question why are so many ppl either dwarf or mechagnome as rogue?

[late surge]

dorf racial insane in m+

mechagnome sims best

[gloomy otter]

whats their racial? isnt it only the def ability?

[acoustic roost]

stoneform yes

[tacit wedge]

stoneform OP

[gloomy otter]

and thats a reason to play it?

[noble flume]

dwarf self disspell

[acoustic roost]

in super high keys where you need to survive

[tawdry gorge]

how much haste should i aim for as assa?

[acoustic roost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[native heron]

dorf is master race

[quaint hull]

none, you sim

[gloomy otter]

everytime i sim something its most of the time only a difference of 0.1% , either im simming wrong or its litteraly not that much of a difference

[acoustic roost]

^^

[wicked tendon]

i have 621 ilvl with 10.5 crit, 3.2k haste, 16,7 mastery, 3,2k versa is it okey stats? im newbie in wow so sorry if i wrote something bad

[rain oyster]

!whispyr

[acoustic roost]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

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[violet flint]

did darkest night and shiv stop working now again?

[tacit wedge]

dwarf>dark iron dward>mechagnome IMO for survival
because DI dwarf get some stats on top of the dispell

[gloomy otter]

like if i sim 2 rings one with crit/mastery , one with haste/mastery its 0,1

[quaint hull]

yup.

[acoustic roost]

thats about right

[gloomy otter]

but mechagnome does more dmg right?

[quaint hull]

sim

[safe linden]

Does sin feel like shit to anyone else now that they added the auto thistle tea? I’ve been struggling hard

[acoustic roost]

sim it, you can change the race and see for yourself

[wicked tendon]

how can i sim? every time i've tried it tells me MORE AGI, but i know that more ilvl let me more dmg ;d

[gloomy otter]

where do i change race?

[noble flume]

if u go 30 energy prob u should change ur playstyle, u do something wrong

[royal lantern]

small king without the king Part

[grim jay]

You are playing wrong then tho

[quaint hull]

technically in raid st, yes

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[noble flume]

im telling this going on 30 energy so im thinking aoubt my gameplay rn ngl

[marble hemlock]

yeah by the looks of it, idk if you can track it in a single bar, which is kinda cringe

[gloomy otter]

ty

[late surge]

idd

[quaint hull]

fyi changing race is never a large upgrade. You probably just need higher ilvl items

[final star]

repurpose ironfur bar to envenom

[late surge]

I just used lisonnas and made it fit my ui

[fair wharf]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[south prawn]

Does going MA build increase the vaue of mastery since ur gaining a lot of crit from multiple sources?

[wary herald]

Where do u put the point for m+

[tacit wedge]

Supercharger&darkest night is broken :(

[molten cosmos]

Sorry for the question but even by reading upper I still don't understand. Is there a reason to track the second buff of Envenom since we still looking to pandemic it? We naturally do the things no?

[late surge]

yeah just finish at7 with DN

[grim jay]

It doesnt change the fact that you need to sim your stats at all

[safe linden]

Oh what am i doing wrong then

[novel veldt]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gloomy otter]

yeh but im playing undead rog right now , and it feels like some kind of waste 😄

[late surge]

it would devalue crit ig?

[acoustic roost]

drac vs mecha sim. ~13k dps which is meh compared to being a dragon 🙂

[tacit wedge]

a bit sad it's back to doing that, after the time we spent waiting for blizzard to fix the ER bug

[late surge]

u wanna pandemic the lower duration envenom

[royal lantern]

mate i dont even know the differences

[late surge]

so that would be the reason to track

[acoustic roost]

exactly

[royal lantern]

cus race dps is a meme lol

[acoustic roost]

which is why you play what looks cool/has a utility racial you prefer

[late surge]

Im dorf bc dorf runs funny

[tacit wedge]

i play blood elf because i'm the only mass dispell in the group

[final star]

I thought pandemic doesn't exist for envenom anymore

[wary herald]

!talents

[tacit wedge]

it doesn't exist with TTK

[final star]

(when talented into ttk)

[tacit wedge]

if you don't talent into TTK, you still pandemic Envenom

[late surge]

why would pandemic dissapear?

[royal lantern]

apperantly it does

[gloomy otter]

true lol

[molten cosmos]

And if I talent TTK, what should I track then

[late surge]

it exists with TTK

[molten cosmos]

I'm confused holy

[south lava]

can we remove our embeliish by recrafting?

or need to use spark again

[safe linden]

Just by recrafting it with a remove embellishment item

[delicate trench]

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[south lava]

can i get the name of the item

[acoustic roost]

yes, theres a remove ebmellish powder sold by griftah near the portal to the azh kahet or something

[late tusk]

reading about race, do dwarf really improves surv enoguht to worth it?

[crystal vault]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[late surge]

theres now 2 envenoms to pandemic instead 8)

[gloomy otter]

are there any interesting items in the new raid for us?

[frosty bridge]

dont think its that massive this season

[acoustic roost]

no

[late surge]

its pretty good at negating rot damage

[acoustic roost]

unless you're doing cutting edge keys

[frosty bridge]

there was definitely season where dwarf felt insane, s2 DF for example

[grim jay]

No

[vast loom]

dwarf feels nice when its good but its nothing crazy

[frosty bridge]

i think you easily get away with any race now

[median igloo]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[final star]

batchest

[blazing grove]

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[gloomy otter]

whats this macro about , why do we wanna do this

[final star]

pins

[stray adder]

I play dwarf because Im 6'3 irl and I wanna know what it feels like to be a short king

[violet flint]

anyone else have issue with supercharged not working with darkest night?

[sage shoal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[frosty bridge]

its bugged

[violet flint]

fuck , again

[late surge]

doesnt feel as bad this time tho

[final star]

Darkest night just seems to be using your current combo points instead of what it will be additionally

[odd ingot]

Is whispyr's WA bugged?

[late surge]

wdym?

[frail geyser]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[late surge]

thats envenom bars

not bugged

[odd ingot]

Aaah

kk

[split veldt]

so much empty space now

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-doctor-strange-weird-but-ill-gif-22813116

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[stray adder]

B is a crazy keybind

[royal lantern]

wtf

distract on 5

????

[gleaming geyser]

rupture on V

[split veldt]

how is B a crazy bind lol

[heady ridge]

is the shiv+tea worth it even when overcapping on energy? there's just no way i could pop a tea while on BL

[tawny geyser]

Distract on 5 is shocking

[grave osprey]

Pots on G 🤔

[stray adder]

Arcane torrent on no keybind is also crazy work

[acoustic roost]

throw knife on z is crazy

[wispy epoch]

Probably left handed

[bronze flicker]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[split veldt]

it's on ~

[wispy epoch]

Guys

[split veldt]

right handed lol

[wispy epoch]

I don’t think Fatebound is it

I inted a 13

[stray adder]

bro is never showing his keybinds again 😂

[median igloo]

Tea is no longer used for energy now that we have so much more of it. So it's for the mastery buff now

[acoustic roost]

fatebound was never it in keys XD

[split veldt]

my hand hits all these binds easy, lmao dont @ me

[fair wharf]

deathstalkers mark bug is making me hear voices

[blazing grove]

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[west canyon]

Was this new patch a nerf or not?

[stray adder]

I feel my hand splitting in half when going for that B keybind

[tawny geyser]

I kinda miss the peace and quiet in this channel 😦

[gleaming spire]

St buff aoe neutral

[frosty bridge]

respect the B crimson vial

using the same bind

!

[wispy epoch]

Y’all would shit at my keyhole’s

Keybinds

Ty phone

[iron prism]

Lemme see your keyholes bro

[wet storm]

plz show keyholes

[crude sequoia]

bruh

[split veldt]

Comfortably hitting all the binds

[jaunty hill]

Damn I love this Discord 😄

[dapper cradle]

throw knife on z is kinda pog actually

[wispy epoch]

FreakyFox

Diddy fox

[valid musk]

Damn he came with receipts

[dapper cradle]

[wispy epoch]

I was fighting for my life against a subtlety rogue in a 10 last night

Thought it’d be easy but they kill the small shit so fast

[stray adder]

"Comfortably hitting all the binds" followed by a picture of his hand resting on his keyboard hahaha

[dapper cradle]

is sub back

[stray adder]

W mans

[wispy epoch]

Burst like 8mil every 3 packs

[jaunty hill]

Blackpowder?

[split veldt]

my stealth button is T

[worldly bridge]

is this a secret op drop ? With bleed interactions

[jaunty hill]

T for tealth, feels right

[fallen ginkgo]

like T for stealth

... wait

[dapper cradle]

#1 heroic parse on sikran/bloodbound is a sub rogue

[crude sequoia]

no clue

trying to sim it lol

[random fossil]

bro how did i not think of B as a keybind before

[acoustic pendant]

well well well

[split veldt]

i use vial all the time, and my thumb just naturally rests on that key

[acoustic roost]

no secondaries. probably not worth

[stray adder]

because it opens up your bags?

[crude sequoia]

yeh tahts my concern too

[orchid wind]

i feel like my uptimes are lower in st rn, can't really maintain envenom like (92-93%~) , and my energy lacking is higher, is it normal ?

[native heron]

Smoll tonky assassin. haha

[dapper cradle]

poggers, that's a sick trink

[blazing grove]

sorry i'm sure it's been shared but does anyone have a talent build with MA and Subterfuge?

[spice surge]

@marble hemlock Dont think we should recommend that shiv+tea cast sequence thing. While in non-open world zones like orgrimmar or an instance like the rookery (for testing) it doesnt reset properly and wont cast tea on your next shiv

[wicked tendon]

on m+ we will already dont play echoing ? 😮

[acoustic roost]

atm we don't play echoing anywhere

[late surge]

Im rocking this

[worldly bridge]

Am i reading this right ? Is it like

• "fuck the remaining duration of imp garrote just vanish for the crit and reapply garrote"
  OR
• "dont even reapply it as it sucks anyway it doesnt rly matter"

[raven trench]

so with the changes of talents what talents are u playing guys now ?

[ebon quest]

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[wicked tendon]

why ppl play tricks instead of blackjack ?

[dusty phoenix]

would like to know that as well

[grim jay]

The ones in the pin/guide

[acoustic roost]

habit

[royal lantern]

items dont interact with class effects

for like 10years now

[wicked tendon]

at this moment im too weak to take aggro 😄

[harsh anchor]

I refuse to die to threat

[jaunty hill]

If you know the tank, and know he needs threadhelp here and there be a Gentlesin and pick tricks

[wicked tendon]

on +10 i made like 1.6m dps overall

[fathom flax]

Can’t blackjack in raid so tricks boss on pull, and not taking tricks in m+ is trolling

[orchid wind]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
Uses a cast sequence to avoid double casting tea if you mash the button:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[wicked tendon]

but blackjack in pack also seems good

[acoustic roost]

actually blackjack is better in M+

[grim jay]

Its more of a later down the line thing because in subsequent DMs you wont have imp garr from the opener, so you basically only have imp garr for the last seconds of DM

[royal lantern]

tricks doesnt help at all lol, what are you talking about

tricks IS ussules

[wicked tendon]

yeah i mean on m+ i know in raid its useless

[raven trench]

where are them

[royal lantern]

yes, m+ aswell

ussules

[frosty bridge]

Not always true, DH have trinkets and item procs scaling with Know your enemy, in Shadowlands deeper daggers worked with trinkets and daggers

[jaunty dew]

I often still run tott because tsome tanks aren't getting aggro quick enough xD

[random fossil]

what is ussules

[wicked valve]

I have a dumb question. Do we ever cast FoK in ST when we proc clear the witnesses?

[hollow stone]

the s is silent, thats why its called stealth

[wicked tendon]

so fuck it i will keep play blackjack i like this talent

[dusty phoenix]

trinkets should also benefit from master assassin right?

[feral crag]

do we play any differently around subterfuge? i.e. ambush spamming

[jaunty hill]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

no clue

[royal lantern]

no

ma is not +25% crit rating

its +25% crit on rogue abilitys

[dusty phoenix]

ok ty

[tired swallow]

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[marble hemlock]

ping fuu and he can remove the command methinks

[wicked tendon]

can someone guide me how to property sim my rogue what can i change in my build ? i dont have expirience in it

i mean my gear*

[spice surge]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[spice surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[worldly bridge]

Why wouldnt u ? We used to line up DM with vanish as its both 2Mn right ?

[jaunty dew]

I hate with a burning passion the tea change, I've had several times where the last tea procced outside of my KB and just prior to coming off CD (And yes, I know I can pool, but often times I'd rather run out of energy than use a 'bad' tea)

[merry bison]

hey folks, how much haste do yall carry around?

[royal lantern]

idk

[void gulch]

bro sometimes you just wanna bdump energy before the pack dies and you character drinks that shit like its moutnaindew

[prime hull]

Should I stop tracking SND now?

[jaunty dew]

Exactly

[hollow stone]

lol

[frosty bridge]

Have the addon "Simulationcraft" installed, ingame you type /simc, copy the string and then on raidbots.com you click that top gear thing on your image and paste it there. From there you can choose all the items in your bags (or you can add items you do not have) to compare to each other.

[spice surge]

No point to track it ye

[prime hull]

Maybe I should unbind it as well.

[jaunty dew]

Yes, you basically have a 99% uptime

[blazing grove]

thanks!

[jaunty dew]

Where the 1% is just the until the first Envenom comes out

[raw wyvern]

I do be linking an ice cold dew after spending all my energy, it Pepsi you right up

[sonic terrace]

same here ... :/ going back to school to learn how to magane this

[south prawn]

For MA build, is the only change to gameplay is that we have to vanish last 6-7 seconds of KB?

also fan of knivies to get to the second rupture

[hollow stone]

Is the tea hate a bit? I cant tell

[proper tapir]

Just Vanish in the last 12 sec of KB (assuming you take MA). And you can keep Imp Gar up a little longer, try to hit it one last time before the buff falls off

[raw wyvern]

For the average assa player, the tea change doesn’t matter

[coral ibex]

people feel very entitled to run themselves dry on energy at their whim

[grim jay]

It requires a minimal amount of braincells and barely any managing

You just dont spam your keys

As you didnt do before either

[random fossil]

with MA u dont wanna vanish to have a full duration imp garrote during DM, u wanna vanish to get MA for the last seconds of KB, i think is what the difference in playstyle is now

[raven trench]

what did they change about tea ?

[coral ibex]

auto use under 30 energy

[grim jay]

It does in the sense that the average sin player probably doesnt watch his energy

[golden loom]

Got a myth track Blod-Kissed Kukri and even rolled speed on it from vault today

[feral crag]

Nah for M+ (assuming we continue to ignore MA in M+), so basically just to get a refresh on garrote

[cyan dew]

Guys when i'm on burst window and it's time to press Shiv but i'm at 5 cp. Do I envenom or I press shiv? 6/7cp too? Do I renew garrote/rup during burst too?

[jaunty dew]

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[grim jay]

But then again it doesnt even matter if it Auto proccs

[hollow stone]

assuming the pin is right, its -0.18% loss in st if you just let tea auto use

[queen egret]

!shiv

[hollow stone]

thats nothing

[jaunty hill]

you auto chug it after going under 30% Energy

[celest marlin]

soo much talk 😄

[spice surge]

30

[kindred cobalt]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[spice surge]

Not 30%

[coral ibex]

no, its 30 energy

not 30%

[raw wyvern]

None of us do after these changes

[coral ibex]

you have to be basically fully oom to trigger it

[proper tapir]

No no, MA is the play for M+

[jaunty hill]

oh not the % that was a musclememory lag

[crude sequoia]

almost

barman shanker lmfao

[hollow stone]

If it was 30%, then ppl could be upset (imo)

[coral ibex]

offhand is basically useless this isn't surprising

[grim jay]

You always keep garr and rupture up and you can savely shiv at 5 cp

[feral crag]

oh it is?? Not seeing that in the pins and discussions seem iffy on this + whispyr's vid commented that it doesn't really make sense

given we are spending MA duration applying bleeds

[raw wyvern]

Remember to flex it in the meadery bartender scenario during season 2

[cyan dew]

if i'm at 7cp do I envenom then shiv or should I shiv too?

[coral ibex]

me when MA during the end of KB and DM with caustic spatter up

[hollow stone]

New tech fresh off the press

[coral ibex]

that shit cranks bro

[uneven summit]

People using alchemical in dungeons yeah?

flask

[grim jay]

You still crit more and get St usage

[proper tapir]

That's because the game is in a state of chaos.

[feral crag]

does that mean we're taking TKK too

[coral ibex]

alchemical in all scenarios

[feral crag]

lmao

inc mage level nerfs

[wicked tendon]

yeah but i have like this, can i sim like "you can improve you dps if you check back " or "more crit less mastery", or i need to sim every item i will drop ?

[grim jay]

If for whatever reason that happens, you probably still shiv

[wicked tendon]

if i make noob questions than sorry im totally newbie in wow 😄

[coral ibex]

7.5M DPS WTF

[hollow stone]

Likely; details in the recent pin

[coral ibex]

brother why are you simming 10 patchwerks

[wicked tendon]

its 10 targets 5 min, streamer tells its best sim for m+

[sullen mural]

10 targets xdd

[bitter horizon]

hahahaha

[crystal sierra]

I may be late on this, but can we not apply spatter, is it bugged?

[coral ibex]

which one

[cyan dew]

tyvm

[final star]

5 mins 10 targets (exists in-game)

[wicked tendon]

casualaddict

[final star]

but yeah sim dslice

[grim tree]

!fuu

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[hollow stone]

ahahahaha

[coral ibex]

thats hilarious

and wrong

[glacial crypt]

[wicked tendon]

i usualy tried 5 targets

[hollow stone]

dslice you need to use your brain a bit too btw

[blissful pumice]

Do u guys play with super charge? feels super shit to me

[grim jay]

Dungeonslice is the best sim for m+ for rogues

[molten echo]

No, it aint bugged, works just like before

[hollow stone]

dslice is for us and its still sus at some points

[arctic socket]

How does it feel super shit

[snow hamlet]

!tea

[arctic socket]

It’s a passive

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[raven trench]

so we stil use shiv at the middle of kingsbane or what ?

[coral ibex]

yes

[chilly mist]

just sim multiple scenarios, 10 targets-40s, 6 targets-40s. Feel like 5 min multi target sims arent the best to rely on

[crystal sierra]

It doesn't trigger from mutilate on dummies? I have ruptore on target ofc

[grim jay]

It doesnt feel like anything at all because its just there

[sullen mural]

Do u habe poison on target tho

Have*

It aint just rupture buddy

[crystal sierra]

yeah brb, maybe an idea to apply poisons 🙂 dont mind me

[blissful pumice]

You cant trigger darkest night with it like with the Reprimand we had

[coral ibex]

10 patchwerks is also not good to rely on as it literally never happens

dslice is way more representative

as is dungeonroute

[arctic socket]

So just press multi again

[bitter horizon]

so we running subterfuge + MA chat?

[raven trench]

do we still use shiv in the middle of the kingsbane's duration, ?

[bitter horizon]

no at the end of DM

[arctic socket]

Energy feels so much better

[blissful pumice]

yeah but i like the talent before more

[chilly mist]

Yeah i agree but if you were to sim multi. Dont do it as 5min was my point 🙂

[coral ibex]

it was yes 30s ago and is still yes

[willow wren]

Whats the command for known bugs

[grim jay]

Its in the guide

[arctic socket]

I’m glad Er is gone

[sullen mural]

Do we still use shiv at the middle of kingsbane or what?

[arctic socket]

9cp envenoms be hitting

[pliant vortex]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro

/cast Shiv 
/cast Thistle Tea

[bitter horizon]

Do we still use shiv in the middle of KB window?

[hollow stone]

It seems this patch brought back old bugs (like that); bet is it will be fixed

[stray adder]

if you have 1 charge you use it at the bottom of the kb window yes

[arctic socket]

You use shiv at the start of kb and at 8 seconds left

[blissful pumice]

yeah hope so

[frail geyser]

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[hollow stone]

Psure the “env at full cp with dn up and the target dies removes mark” is back too

So heads up

[arctic socket]

Shiv usage hasn’t change any

[sharp viper]

!fuu

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[bitter horizon]

yeah i know was just joking around

[spring moat]

Highest dps ever done so far and back to blue parses. lol

[kindred hinge]

It has begun

[zealous wolf]

is ele broken?

[molten echo]

Very

[arctic socket]

Ele shamans about to get giga slapped with a Nerf

[hollow pier]

Beyond busted

[full flicker]

busted in keyz yea

[zealous wolf]

xdd

[grim jay]

In raid aswell

[hollow pier]

Saw one do 27 mil burst last night

[hollow stone]

Its insane in st too lol

[full flicker]

even better

[sterile badge]

do we have to check any particular timewarped trniket?? Golem Gearbox doesn't look bad

[arctic socket]

Busted in raid by a long shot

[bitter horizon]

but chat, do we run subterfuge with MA now or?

[grim jay]

All suck

[arctic socket]

They look Doodoo

[sterile badge]

that was fast

[hollow stone]

Pin talks about the m+ stuff, probably do, things will keep updating

[kindred hinge]

Final build not cooked yet but there is test along this way yes

[analog hornet]

Have the new Raid some good gear? (HC)

[bitter horizon]

but we drop Bone spike no?

[grim jay]

No

[hollow stone]

you CAN but i wouldnt

[bitter horizon]

hmm

[hollow stone]

Read the pin about it, its quite clear and helpful

[gleaming geyser]

Not really; no mastery on gear

[bitter horizon]

maybe i should read pin chat

[modest vector]

Which CP does shiv supercharge?

[coral ibex]

the last one you use for your next finisher

[grim jay]

Cap

[sullen mural]

None

[hollow stone]

Doesnt work that way

[molten echo]

It doesnt

[kindred hinge]

That's the one whyspr was messing with this morning

[coral ibex]

whatever your next finisher is, you get +2/3 cp added

[glacial crypt]

Oh this channel is excellent today

[south prawn]

u drop bone spike so u can use the MA buff when u FoK to get your second rupture XD (not financial advice)

[gleaming geyser]

🧢

[full flicker]

disregarding a nerf that might still come tuesday, is there a utility reason that could see ass rogue not taking the melee top spot from frost dk in m+? survivability should be somewhat the same? or does dk bring sth mighty that ass just cant compete with?

[bitter horizon]

so we drop ampf posions

[grim jay]

Old already again

[grim jay]

No

[spice surge]

Assa is significantly squishier than dk

[calm grail]

What caused subterfuge to go from complete shit in m+ to good? I thought we'd already calculated the MA change when considering it. Does it sim better now that sims are mostly fixed?

[coral ibex]

MA and iron wire

[chilly mist]

Amz, Ams, grip, tanky, etc

[sullen mural]

Dk is so much more tanky than rogue

[south prawn]

assa survivbility much more punishing u miss 1 feint see u next life

[arctic socket]

Amz alone is pogu

[sullen mural]

Holy i wish it was close

[grim jay]

Is the current cook

[spice surge]

Feint doesnt work most of the time anyway without elusiveness

[lusty thicket]

A bit confused, does slice n dice proc on its own or is it just a not worth spell to use?

[calm grail]

Is using Subter in M+ just a case of "It could work" or "It's the best overall simming" option right now? I don't see an updated build on WoWhead for it.

[arctic socket]

These some spicy m+ cooks

[south prawn]

dont tell me ur running cheat death

[bitter horizon]

damn cook looking good

[royal lantern]

survivalbility the same?

mate, DK is literally unkillable, when rogue uses feint with elusivness they get 20% dr, DK just has 20% magic dr passively

[chilly mist]

Also fairly sure their hero talents got buffed? But in higher keys dk utility is incredibly useful

[proper tapir]

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[bitter saddle]

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[arctic socket]

Is the boss ST noticable with ttk in this build

[grim jay]

Whispyrs cooks were independent from yours

[mint egret]

isnt subterfuge still not worth it

[maiden sierra]

anyone got the current highest simming talent build for st?

and i mean sims

[chilly mist]

!fuu

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[grim jay]

I didnt play yet, but from Whispyrs screenshots it did seem much better

[arctic socket]

How feelsbad is it tho dropping SD

[bitter horizon]

im curious too

[proper tapir]

Yikes! But okay dude, have a great day.

[grim jay]

I dont mind it personally tbf

Probably not great on lower keys

[calm grail]

I'm not super versed in reading the links you provided, how do I see which talents were selected?

[full flicker]

ok, didnt really play a lot of rogue these last seasons but always had the feeling rogue's quite a bit tankier than most - i guess tww dk is a whole different ball game then 😄

[spice surge]

Unironically not sure the game has ever had a dps be as tanky as DKs currently are

Its absolutely insane

[royal lantern]

yep

[arctic socket]

Paladins are pretty tanky

[molten echo]

I mean obv 50% attack speed is worth having. You get SnD for free with your first envenom now, and it adds time to the buff each envenom like before. So you never have to press it anymore

[royal lantern]

like, you unironically need to stand in shit on purpose to die as a DK

[kindred hinge]

It's not finished, they were still discussing it when Whysper went to bed. Will have to wait a few days to stabilise but globaly you can play a few variation within standard deviation

[royal lantern]

normal passive dmg? dont even need to Press a button

[spice surge]

In comparison to most specs yes, but in comparison to DKs theyre squishy as hell

[lusty thicket]

got it. Thanks.

[arctic socket]

Might try out dropping SD on 10+ anything below that mobs die way to fast

[molten echo]

I had a fdk legit tank a boss in a +10 for a good 30-40s til we killed it when our tank died

[neat raptor]

Whats the new build plz send the code for m+

[molten echo]

Ridiculously tanky

[spice surge]

If a rogue has elusiveness feint+evasion up theyre still less tanky than a DK with nothing up

[stray adder]

plate rogue when

[royal lantern]

i just think about the log from @quiet oar where their DK ate 7ovinax mythic circles at once, and he would have survived 6 WITHOUT USING A DEFFENSIVE ABILITY

its legit stupid

[wicked tendon]

so this is actualy my sim on dungeon slice with only bloodlust https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iMvuv9sMMxfZmo9RqDAjD2

and im making 1.60/1.64 overall dps on +10 so gear is making a wall for me ?

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[full flicker]

was it always that tanky or what did change in particular with tww that survivability is so noticeable now with dk?

[proper tapir]

talents=CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzmxsNDAAAAAAttNzM8AzMGzMzysMmZwMzYGMmZbbZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

[grim jay]

Dungeonslice is for gearing/talent choices, not for dps comparisons

[onyx crane]

idk if I like this change

[arctic socket]

Why wouldn’t you like the change

[spice surge]

They just added like 5 new big defensive nodes and buffed the old defensive nodes massively going into tww for them

[royal lantern]

DK was always kinda tanky, but since DF we have a deffensive creep on insane level, and TWW amplified it even more

[kindred hinge]

What wall ? You cannot expect to have th e same numbers at the end of a key than a Dslice sim.

[sullen mural]

Is normal sim updated yet or still nightly

[full flicker]

ok thanks for clarifying 👍

[onyx crane]

it feels weird

the new changes

[kindred hinge]

Dslice is usefull to understand if a piece of gear will increase your dps in a key situation but it is independent key by ley

[onyx crane]

are weird

[frail geyser]

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[spice surge]

Whats weird

[onyx crane]

shiv empowers the first combo point

[quiet oar]

i think Iceborne was active

[spice surge]

No, it doesnt empower the first combo point

It empowers your next finisher

[arctic socket]

Shiv just adds +2 combo points to your next finisher

Spec into supercharge and never think about it again

[wicked tendon]

i just want to find what changes in gear it good to make for me, cuz i dont fucking know, do i need drop items and sim every one, or simbot have something like "you need less mastery more crit" etc

[eager thunder]

hi everyone i see on wowhead we are buffed fot 6% It's real????? /O

[onyx crane]

but it does not apply to DSM

[arctic socket]

No

[final star]

why didn't they just make it a buff ffs

[onyx crane]

wich echoing did

[grim jay]

You sim every gear/combo on topgear

[arctic socket]

But with how energy stuff got changed, it’s easy to build up to 7 for dsm

[onyx crane]

wich was a lot more fun to play with

[kindred hinge]

Use topgear to sim what you have and drop optimiser for what you want to target

[prisma tundra]

echoing was actually fun design i wonder why they removed it

[onyx crane]

now the crazy lag in dornagal makes fighting the dummy not that fun

[arctic socket]

I’m glad the er minigame is gone

Honestly

[spice surge]

Because the vast majority of people did not find it fun

[bitter saddle]

pur single target energy problems are kinda gone

[arctic socket]

Go to sw/org

[spice surge]

It was one of the most complained about things, besides snd

[bitter saddle]

i can spam and spam and spam against dummy its nice

[marsh falcon]

I dont think im understanding supercharge

[arctic socket]

Energy problems gone

[bitter saddle]

xye they gone

[arctic socket]

It feels good man

[quaint hull]

you turn it on and don’t think about it

[marsh falcon]

really? im finding myself more energy starved

[prisma tundra]

thats kinda surprising tbh it always felt really nice to play with compared to running an extra vanish or something

[marsh falcon]

what am i doing wrong