assassination

[ionic fox]

losing it randomly

[dire sphinx]

am i missunderstanding this, does super charge give us access to 9 cb finishers?

cp*

[coral ibex]

none of the TW loot is bis

[stable cove]

pre pot macro is not working sadge

[chilly marsh]

its a easy 700k swap every fight

[coral ibex]

not sure what you're cooking

[dark arrow]

wowhead M+ builds updated?

[viscid spear]

Yeah and then it can't be reapplied if you're in combat when you Vanish (i.e. boss encounters)

[novel star]

this guy is playing osrs man

switching gear mid fight

[quaint spindle]

ok taking fatebound to heroic queen

we shall see how this goes

[limber lion]

Don't call me out

[novel star]

LMAO

[chilly marsh]

you pull boss use it and swap for your main weapon

[short flicker]

What is atm bis for m plus trinket combined with skardyn grace?

[spice spire]

bro

[limber lion]

Thieving 🕺

[spice spire]

me when I pickpocket a kobold

[limber lion]

Mandate or whatever

Just use whatever you have

[viscid spear]

Keep your hands out of my pocket

[limber lion]

idk

[quasi steeple]

The builds in wowhead are up to date?

[limber lion]

Ye

[turbid dove]

What talents are folks running for M+ with the new echo reprimand changes?

[quasi steeple]

Pog, ty

[limber lion]

Well ER has been removed

But yeah

[dapper pumice]

rofl just tried BRD and the first boss destroyed everyone

[limber lion]

Gonna run Subterfuge personally

[minor gate]

why does deathstalker

like

actually suck

[limber lion]

Love me that 12s MA/IW/IG

[viscid spear]

Because the main mechanic just falls off sometimes?

[minor gate]

if im fighting a boss like stitchflesh im cooked

[quasi steeple]

Do we still open with ambush, right?

[open canyon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[short flicker]

I mean same ilvl of ara kara/ spy glas / and the one from dawnbreaker, I saw many ppl are playing dawnvreaker one combined with skardyn grace

[limber lion]

There you go then

[inland escarp]

#deletespyglass

[minor gate]

if he gets back on his pedestal we lose our mark

[limber lion]

Yupyup

[ebon prism]

Most of the top using empowering crystal

[minor gate]

WHY?!

[limber lion]

Just learn to play around it

[short flicker]

Thats shit now?

[limber lion]

If you know he's about to escape in 10s, don't reapply the mark on him again

[inland escarp]

if you drop the darkest night on the add it dies and you get it back, just transfer it

[short flicker]

So thats now bis ? Ara kara not good nor spyglas?

[inland escarp]

in m+ its low uptime

[minor gate]

yeah

but

[crimson vector]

if you macro shiv and tea should tea come before or after shiv?

[limber lion]

I mean you can have high uptime on it

[ebon prism]

I'm just saying what they use. All the top use skardyns and empowering crystal

[cobalt swift]

My combo point wa is funky, anyone have one that is updated?

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[limber lion]

Just yoink LE's

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[minor gate]

if the entire hero tree is based around one mark

why is it so easy to lose

[fossil sand]

Is sacbrood better than spyglass in M+

[quaint spindle]

blizz does not play rogue

[limber lion]

It's not based around the mark, that's the funny thing

There's like 1 node that interacts with it

Everything else is fluff bullshit

[gritty laurel]

all this DS talk is reinforcing my decision to chuck spare change at everything til it dies

[limber lion]

More Generator damage, More CT damage

Fan of Knives procs

etc

[viscid spear]

Yeah but we're losing Mark randomly

[minor gate]

it also gives us energy

[cedar elm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[urban raft]

anyone has a key log from after reset?

[limber lion]

Barely

[dire sphinx]

I'd put it before tea to reduce energy loss if you pop it too early

[tepid bough]

Dumb question -- Does anyone know why my assasination spec doesn't grant shadowstep?

[limber lion]

Look under "General"

Not under the spec

[cedar elm]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[wispy epoch]

How is Fatebound's survivability with the uhhh

[limber lion]

It should be there

[cedar elm]

!faa

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

Mine works with supercharger, though it only highlights your points similar to the base UI, showing you how many by highlighting from 1.

I don't like this, but it was the easy and quick solution. I would much prefer to show an element indicating how many combo points you could finish with, like if you're at 5 and can proc darkest night from where you are, but that would take more time than I have right now to update. If you stay tuned, I'll be making more updates in the days to come

[wispy epoch]

that carry?

[limber lion]

It's okay

It's nothing crazy

[tepid bough]

Not there either

[gritty laurel]

it averages out fine, but the thing about defensives is that you want to control when to use them, so DS wins by a mile on that front

[cedar elm]

so the tldr is just 1 in supercharger 2 in lethality

[hexed root]

i wish they didnt change us

😦

[limber lion]

Maybe reload or relog or something

It should definitely be there

[urban raft]

wait is lens best embelishment?

only m+

[zinc willow]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice surge]

Pick whatever embellishment you want, theyre all shit

[urban raft]

kk

[limber lion]

Based Eleem hating on embellishments

my favorite timeline

[urban raft]

this

[crimson wigeon]

seeing the discussion of fatebound is viable makes me want to play it, but i have no idea wtf is goin on

[gritty laurel]

you literally just play sin and the coins flip on their own, it's great

[lucid silo]

fatebound was already viable

it just wasnt as good

[tepid bough]

I've reloaded, removed addons, relogged, no dice. It's there if I spec sub but not assasination

[crimson wigeon]

fatebound is equivalent

[fallow canopy]

flensing knives survived the new patch

lol

[limber lion]

Weird idk, never heard of that before

Just use a macro then I guess

[ebon prism]

Big m+ gamers, would u take a 30 ilvl upgrade tier piece with avoidance or myth empowering crystal?

[limber lion]

#showtooltip
/cast Shadowstep

[zinc willow]

I think the answer it "it doesn't matter" but do I need to play around the number of envenom stacks I have and deciding when to cast my next envenom, or do I just send it like I did before today

[vestal coyote]

Shouldn't really be an issue but would it be intended that using a lower cp envenom than current duration of buff with twist the knife causes both buffs to expire based on the shorter duration? Seeing that while testing a weak aura

[gritty laurel]

with TTK you pandemic off of the shorter duration envenom

[cedar elm]

always crystal

[ebon prism]

Really?! Oh damn

Ok I take crystal then. Thx

[crimson wigeon]

sim it

[zinc willow]

i got that, but do i need to track it and play around it?

[crimson wigeon]

like how much of an upgrade trinket wise is it

[ebon prism]

It's not rly about sims. I can get any myth gloves to cata

[crimson wigeon]

I dont think empowering crystal is that amazing

[cedar elm]

you can get tier from any myth piece in raid or in vault, but there is only one crystal

[novel dragon]

anyone else's raids lagging to shit?

[ebon prism]

Just about getting bis myth piece or getting big upgrade now

[frank pollen]

yep

[gritty laurel]

yes, you still aren't going to have infinite energy on single target. Whispyr's weakaura set is already updated to track it

[zinc willow]

ahh awesome

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cerulean nest]

@slate crown the env WA for some reason isnt loading on ovniax

[ebon prism]

It's that strong of a stat stick? Dang

[slate crown]

May I ask, did it load on other bosses?

[cerulean nest]

it did indeed

[limber lion]

borked

[slate crown]

I what?

[cerulean nest]

no idea

[zinc willow]

so, looking at the WA, I want to reapply when my lowest of the two bars is within pandemic?

[slate crown]

Just to be sure reinstall

[cerulean nest]

doing it now yeah

[idle inlet]

is airborne irritant working on the mythic plus affix this week

[crimson wigeon]

its pretty good, but depending on how much you play and what you alreadyu have, bis teir with avoidance is BY FAR the best thing you can get

[fleet spade]

What do you guys do for a aoe opener on mobs that die fast, lets say 4 mobs live for a bit but the other 7 die fast. How do you take the most advantage of that? i don't believe the WoWhead AOE opener is best in that senerio due to how long it takes to get CS up.

[crimson wigeon]

literally will always use and avoidance is bis

[silent drift]

yeah man, ass rogue feeling too good :/

[eager ibex]

which one is the env wa

[spice surge]

Yes but only if you target a nonorb

[zinc willow]

just imported wispyers

[spice surge]

If youre targeting an orb it wont cleave

[idle inlet]

please tell me that is getting changed

[cerulean nest]

looks to be okay now after a reinstall

not sure what happened

[slate crown]

Thank jebus

[spice surge]

[cerulean nest]

i made it load at all times

idk if that helped it or not

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tepid bough]

Gross.. Just logged on to an old rogue alt I used to play ages ago and he has it, but my current rogue doesn't and the macro doesn't work either. what even the heck...

[slate crown]

You mean you removed the load conditions?

[cerulean nest]

yes

after reinstall

[limber lion]

Never heard of that before

Weird stuff

[west crown]

I almost couldnt get under 200 energy for most of silken court

ttk is stupid

[limber lion]

Hmm

Do we know how TTK works in the chat

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cedar elm]

is ttk busted or what

im confsued

[slate crown]

wdym?

[limber lion]

It's pretty good yeah

[faint vessel]

quite busted

feels great

[limber lion]

In reply to Ares

TTK does not provide energy whatsoever

[west crown]

yeah that hammer is going to hurt next week

[faint vessel]

^

we're flying so close to the sun

[west crown]

it does indirectly

[limber lion]

How?

[naive sage]

does it not through DS?

[shut owl]

dashing scoundrel shenanigans

[limber lion]

VV is just a shit node

It's always been either VV or Dashing

But yeah I guess whatever

[dapper pumice]

do i take ttk even for m+?

[limber lion]

I would

Wowhead doesn't

Take your pick

[tranquil birch]

fatebound not taking twist the knife in M+ still or wowhead guide just not updated yet for fatebound stuff?

[dapper pumice]

what should i take out for it?

[eager ibex]

where are some updated talents, wowhead is all over the place

[fossil dust]

What is ttk for clarification 😅

[crude anvil]

does it matter to track both envenom uptimes or do I just keep playing the exact same as before?

[west crown]

yeah 10% on dashing is good

expect it go get changes to 7.5% base

[crude anvil]

twist the knife

[sweet storm]

twist the knife

[nova fractal]

this is from whispyrs video

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps

[limber lion]

Eh it's okay

[dapper pumice]

what would u take out for ttk?

[fossil dust]

ah ty

[fossil dust]

ty!

[eager ibex]

thank you man!

[nova fractal]

np!

[west crown]

this from today?

[limber lion]

Yes

This is from last patch

[balmy condor]

all over the place how

[limber lion]

So looking pretty similar

[west crown]

well idk what it is then

but something is giving me way too much energy

[tranquil birch]

lol

[limber lion]

I mean if you have 2 targets in Silken Court

[west crown]

nah its been all raid

[limber lion]

And you play Dashing + whatever

[hot blade]

is new hand of justice trinket any good for us?

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[viscid spear]

Are people having problems with Deathstalker Mark dropping?

[west crown]

just court was stupid full always

[ionic fox]

Yes

[dawn heath]

it's so silly how the initial damage on last boss Siege of the DOT just actually oneshots you

[limber lion]

?

Just like they have been the entire expansion?

What's new

[prisma tundra]

wouldnt ttk give you a ton of extra energy by letting you pool more before having to refresh envenom with the 2 sec extra duration

[quasi coyote]

so whats the verdict on ttk or sudden demise

[limber lion]

Maybe it's placebo of the new shiny thing, idk

[prisma tundra]

if ur refreshing last second of duration like normal

[viscid spear]

I haven't noticed it dropping until today

[limber lion]

No, you literally do not even pool anymore

Because there's not enough time to get 2 Envenom's

or rather 3

before the first one drops

Like doing b2b2b Envenoms is really tough

[vast loom]

i just keep spamming and pray

[prisma tundra]

so new meta is to no brain spam ur spells other than before dm when u want 150+ energy?

[limber lion]

Also pooling does not equate to more energy

[vast loom]

seems to be working out so far

[limber lion]

Pooling is just using energy at a different time

It's still the exact same amount

[limber lion]

Sure

Well, not even necessary for DM

But KB windows in general

[prisma tundra]

ye u wouldnt actually have more energy but ud percieve it as more since ud be sitting at whatever number u wanted permanently rather than slowly losing energy

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iVXHuPe1HQBXuQ0qA?invite=cr-MSwzVE8sMTcyMzI0NTA1LA this is just silly

[nimble tartan]

chat is this still bugged givin dps

[limber lion]

Man tried to feint the dot

What a gangster

[raven egret]

server during Ulgrax reclear just decided to staop anwnsering us

[limber lion]

Yes

[dawn heath]

what do u mean

[viscid spear]

Just now on Heroic Court I had DM on Anub and we phased so I decided to Vanish and Ambush on Takazj but no DM was applied and the one on Anub disappeared

[dawn heath]

i feinted the dot

feint gives DR?

i feint the initial

to not get oneshot

[limber lion]

Does it?

[dawn heath]

yes

if u take elusiveness

[distant birch]

20%

[limber lion]

Right

You play Elusiveness

Yuk

[drowsy harness]

You have to in high keys

[limber lion]

But yeah, Siege is dumb

[prisma tundra]

think elusiveness is almost a must for 12+

[dawn heath]

i die from 100% to the initial without that up

[limber lion]

There were always so many issues with the scaling of Siege back in BFA

[limber lion]

Yeh fair enough

Love that it's tyrannical every week now

[distant birch]

• is good with evasion too

[limber lion]

instead of every other week

Anyways

Shit game

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/runescape-oldschool-old-school-runescape-osrs-canoe-gif-26555920

[true rapids]

how can I compare drac race in simc?

[novel star]

energy feels so stupid man

what a mess

[limber lion]

already on it bozo

[limber lion]

To your current race?

Paste your simc input in Advanced, type:
copy=Dracthyr
race=Dracthyr

Below it

And that's it

[true rapids]

tyvm

[limber lion]

Np

[distant birch]

is mechagnome still the best in ST?

[woven shore]

we made it boys

[limber lion]

EU still sleeping

Enjoy it while it lasts

[hollow talon]

on second thought maybe i dont need this lol

[limber lion]

Orc

[woven shore]

world rank 6 bloodhound

jesus fucking christ

i coulve been rank 1

[lucid meteor]

does the sim have my character getting healed for the raid neck verse proc? like how would i see if this thing is actually better or not

[woven shore]

if i didnt do adds

[prime hull]

Did the patch slightly change how much we like different stats? I heard some people talk about it.

[woven shore]

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant birch]

so bloodmalet sucks? 🤣

[limber lion]

Stats matter just as much as they did before

So not at all

[tawdry flume]

So is Hybrid the best to take for m+ only?

[true rapids]

looks like simc doesnt support it yet?

[limber lion]

Could be

[limber lion]

It's the same line

[prime hull]

I listen to the robot of course I was just curious if one stat got relatively more valuable or not because of TTK.

[true rapids]

we wait

[distant birch]

so it's the same

yeah

[limber lion]

No, it's all just a wash

[hoary apex]

do we even need to track snd anymore?

[balmy condor]

no

[woven shore]

thats so ugly wtf

[quasi coyote]

bro changed his name 💀

[eager ibex]

why does wowhead not have a mythic+ build, it has specific dungeon builds but where is the main build

[vagrant brook]

talent builds and scroll down?

[hollow talon]

cow is cursed

forgot how bad the xmogs are

[woven shore]

yep

cow is giga ugly

as fuck

[rain mortar]

It’s dragon szn and I don’t care what any sims say

[woven shore]

would try to tmog cow rog into Alistar Cowboy skin

[hollow talon]

Oooh

Good idea

[woven shore]

yea

that would maybe look okay

[balmy condor]

??????????????????

I even include alternates bro be so fr

[woven shore]

openwow head

xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

whisp are you proud of me dummy hitting rank 6

[eager ibex]

I open up the rogue page

I click this button that says mythic+

[woven shore]

i will show you my friend

[limber lion]

Try the "talents" button

or whatever

[hollow talon]

Did anyone try any 12s since patch how is it

[shut owl]

new opener feels so fast but also is completely throwing off my flowstate without having the weird extra gcds lol

[woven shore]

Rogue will be nerfed soon

100%

[eager ibex]

Ok I see it now, maybe should include a link to this talents thing it was an oversight for me personally

thanks

[shut owl]

not before BM lol

[woven shore]

what is with bm ?

[random fossil]

What do I put on my 4 and 5 keybinds now that er and snd are gone

[woven shore]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps @eager ibex

[novel star]

rogue will be nerfed or it will be buffed or maybe it will be not touched or maybe it will be reworked or maybe i dont fuckin care man

[onyx musk]

@drowsy hatch cook update

[novel star]

play the game

[woven shore]

true

[slate crown]

I'm trying I really am

[woven shore]

time for 3 rogues in raid

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cant-see-cant-read-meme-ken-jeong-gif-16673476

[rapid barn]

think this trinket gonna be anygood in hero track ?

[icy girder]

could be sim it

[prime hull]

Wait, does the new subterfuge mean master assassin is 12 second long?

That can cover almost our entire kingsbane if true.

[limber lion]

Yes

[urban raft]

Did they do something to caustic spatter? Or my friend just bad?

[novel star]

it sure does mean that

[prime hull]

That's crazy.

[novel star]

but its not worht taking subterfuge

because you trade good talents for a gimmick

[limber lion]

Merk likes to disagree

[woven shore]

lol `7

[limber lion]

#1065730164077645916

[rapid barn]

Bad like me

[prime hull]

I saw some thread in tc-research with a guy talking about it but I can't read/understand what he changed I'm too dumb.

[novel star]

agony

[limber lion]

No not agony

It's joy

Subterfuge is goated

[spring moat]

Changes feels good imo. Consistently more output for me

[faint vessel]

spamspamspam

im getting thrown off with all this room for activities

[spring moat]

Spam feels good. Unless I’m doing it wrong

Envenom damage nutty

[limber lion]

I'm actually wondering if Subterfuge would be NUTTY in single target, imagine! DM - Shiv - KB - Generator - Generator - VANISH - ENVENOM

boom entire KB window in MA window

[oak tangle]

the recommended hybrid build for m+, was it sudden demise that we can drop for TTK?

[limber lion]

big crities!

OMG!

[prime hull]

Can you explain how the rotation would change to make subterfuge sim ahead again? I am looking at this code block and it's not making sense to me.

[vagrant brook]

don't wonder cause other people already did the work for you and subterfuge is not it

[strange python]

is bubbling wax still pickpocketable

[frozen glacier]

so is anyone else doing a lot more than 6% more damage

it feels crazy

[cursive sparrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brittle quail]

on 2min fight mb otherwise probablt not

[limber lion]

You don't know who I am

[strange python]

just pick pocketed 15 mobs and no wax, bad luck?

[limber lion]

Probs unlucko yeah

[cursive sparrow]

does fuu nupdated?

[idle inlet]

is wax better than Whetstone?

[limber lion]

No

Whetstone always best

but it costs money, wax doesn't

[strange python]

yes but wax ez cheap

[neon thunder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[noble void]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[faint vessel]

wax + whetstone saves money and your parses will be just fine

[vagrant brook]

I just mean that people have tried and theorycrafted about that since the changes were announced and with the current APL subterfuge is not it. Who you are is irrelevant to this fact

[uneven plume]

so when do we vanish in Raid?

right before first envenom in DM?

[limber lion]

I am also one of those people

So yeah

[wispy epoch]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=454428/fateful-ending anyone know what the buff is called?

so I can watch it on my WAs

[limber lion]

We have been theorycrafting it

[karmic crystal]

They've already thought!!!

:^)

[faint vessel]

for the fun parts where you need to re-mark ^.^

[idle inlet]

does warcraft logs have damage breakdowns of dungeons or just raid fights?

[zenith tree]

Did they ever fix the weird WA bug that was nuking fps?

[zinc frost]

Nah it’s pretty relevant who he is in here lmao

[limber lion]

It also has dungeon logs yeah

[fossil sand]

Doesn't seem like Fatebound builds are updated on Wowhead?

[limber lion]

Yeah

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[limber lion]

Or well, they didn't fix it but you can use this to fix it yourself

[junior kernel]

lucky coin

[zenith tree]

Yeah I was telling a friend about it but didn't know how to put it into words lmao

ty

[indigo mulch]

what counts as a model? Like the portrait on your character for example?

[limber lion]

Weakaura models

They're different stuff

[raven egret]

uhm feeling good tonight

[shut owl]

anyone have a different item ID for the flamelash's fiery spike dagger? the in-game numbers and simcraft numbers are different because its pulling the vanilla version and trying to scale it up; but something looks off

[twin hull]

BRO who ever came up with this thistle tea getting consumed when on low energy needs to be sent to shadowlands and made to do torghast for a month

like srsly

wtff

[indigo mulch]

The amount of lag i get when the stupid adds at ovinax spawns

its insane.

i drop down to like 14 fps

[wispy epoch]

TY

[limber lion]

Found the spammer

[peak mulch]

with super charged if u finish on 7 cp is it wastting it or still amping the dmg further

[random fossil]

Yo send me in I miss torghast

[wispy epoch]

im making a weakaura to play this when I proc Lucky Coin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nssIV09yapA

[raven egret]

Skill issue

[oak tangle]

literally

weird take to have issue with the tea changes

[twin hull]

i dont get it...though im not suppose to spam...but just auto attack and keep envenom uptime...and i see my dps drop from 1m to 800k...

like how does that even work

[wispy epoch]

youre still manualling tea

[junior kernel]

wym

[wispy epoch]

if you want to minmax

for your burst

[oak tangle]

it a) removes a button
b) gives you more pooling logic to make the game interesting

[twin hull]

thats the point thistle tea skill issue

[wispy epoch]

FEINT OFF gcd IS SO AMAZING

[oak tangle]

either option is a win for someone

[runic hinge]

Bro if your dps is going down by 200k that’s not a tea issue LOL

[vagrant brook]

it counts as 9cp

[hollow river]

oh man lmao

[peak mulch]

ty

[paper chasm]

so wtf is the point of the supercharged cp being on the first two, I just go back up to 7 and that's it right? I don't actually press my button on the first two right

[twin hull]

explain...what exactly do u do? on ST in m+ when u have no cds.. and just on low energy..

[hollow river]

i just found that so funny idk why

[junior kernel]

kinda

[cunning basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wispy epoch]

just be fatebound and dont worry

[runic hinge]

Do whatever you want the tea change is .2% dps if you just spam it when you’re low energy versus only holding for shiv

[raven egret]

Pooling

[wispy epoch]

plus Tea is off GCD

[paper chasm]

is fatebound better ST now over deathstalker?

[wispy epoch]

so like

what's the issue

[raven egret]

thats litterally pooling when you are out of CDs and got nothing ready

[runic hinge]

Playing tea badly is almost no damage

[strange maple]

oh no echoing reprimand become passive ?

[wispy epoch]

less human errors so kinda?

[junior kernel]

what did they change for tea?

[civic gate]

anyone have a macro to put all your poisons on without having to click each one?

[limber lion]

(honestly I'm just freeloading off of Whispyr nowadays, but that was a good zinger for sure)

[strange maple]

my weakaura not tracking the supercharged point

[limber lion]

🕺

[limber lion]

There is no supercharged point

[woven shore]

casts itself on 30 energy

[wispy epoch]

no deathstalker bugging

[limber lion]

So there is nothing to track

[sonic zinc]

brd is wild

[strange maple]

oh ok

[junior kernel]

just auto-cast added?

[limber lion]

Makes your next finisher do +2 cp

[twin hull]

thats when i lose the dps...

[woven shore]

yep

[raven egret]

well yeah, we are burst oriented class, we have high ups and low downs

[junior kernel]

so that's not a problem as i see xd

[wispy epoch]

wait

did thistle tea always have

[strange maple]

its kinda fun with the supercharged points now they took it off ?

[wispy epoch]

3 charges?!

[oak tangle]

maaaaaaaaaaan. i dont want to make a weakaura for supercharged stuff, but my memory is also failing me

[fierce tulip]

i miss ER

[limber lion]

Yes

[mighty rapids]

so whats actually changed gameplay wise im so confused

[limber lion]

There is no weakauras to be made for it...

Literally

[runic hinge]

You don’t need a weak aura. Still just send on 5+

[civic gate]

you don't press snd or thistle tea

[limber lion]

Nothing changes

[oak tangle]

don't underestimate my ability to forget in once gcd whether i have a buff

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

If you do or don't

Literally

Nothing changes whether you have the buff or not

[vast loom]

i think caustic and signular focus are hitting more than often for some reason

causing lag

[limber lion]

You always still finish on 5+ cp

[oak tangle]

even with DN?

[vast loom]

this is like 4min into the pull

[limber lion]

You play DN normally

If you have DN, you build to 7 stacks

[fallow canopy]

holy ky'veza is bugged af lol

[limber lion]

Just like you would

[oak tangle]

it's not worth max cp (when bug fixed)

[limber lion]

Yeah if it's a bug

For now who knows

[twin hull]

so me losing 150 to 200k dps over the course of pooling in a boss fight is normal?

[wispy epoch]

does cold blood and inevitable end make caustic splatter bigger?

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-confused-gif-15712129875520007531

[safe barn]

its so hard to see sikran rain of arrows for me

jesus christ

[junior kernel]

if u sustain bleeds and uptime envenom 150+ energy ( with sanguine ) that's fine

[brittle quail]

same

[wispy epoch]

just feint

[runic hinge]

Have you ever seen assassination damage profile?

[oak tangle]

i also have no idea whether the knockback hurts me or not, i have cursed unit frames, and i cloak and stand in melee, but i dont die

[strange maple]

it feels weird without echoing reprimand

[wispy epoch]

i love it, especially as FB now

no more getting cucked by echoing rep

[strange maple]

oh yea true

[twin hull]

bro i just went to normal school...not hogwarts...so im no wizzard...how do u manage that...im so lost

[north mica]

any good?

[wispy epoch]

no

[twin hull]

say i havnt...can u explain what i missed?

[junior kernel]

no

[scenic kiln]

no

[north mica]

rgr

[runic hinge]

Big burst. Low lows. You’re not gonna be blasting the whole time.

[junior kernel]

;D i fail sometimes

[onyx coyote]

was our ST cleave nerfed? was doing heroic queen and the dps i was doing was quite lower in cleave

[vagrant brook]

this is how our damage fluctuates in a single target fight

[pure star]

feint off gcd, goat of all changes. feels so good

[tropic cedar]

you have to cloak within 1s of the cast going off to negate the knockback and damage completely

[cerulean nest]

anyone have a good mercurial egg WA?

[junior kernel]

if u cant sustain u just delete sanquine

[oak tangle]

i can step in, do i still take damage?

[tropic cedar]

what do you mean?

[thick sail]

How are the changes? My friend is telling me he tested ER and Supercharger expecting his finishers to deal 10 CP of damage but on a dummy it seems to be 7 points of damage, is that intended?

Don't yell at me, I haven't read the notes or installed the patch yet, just asking on his behalf

[oak tangle]

you said cloak last second to completely negate damage and knockback, was just unclear on whether that meant the damage portion was still there or not

[tropic cedar]

no damage, no knockback

but has to be within the first second of cloak

[oak tangle]

so all im doing by cloaking early is gett DR?

[torpid lion]

sikran hits thru cloak

the aoe he does must be phys

[tropic cedar]

unless you cast it right before it goes off, yes

[junior kernel]

most of damage is phys in m+ and raids as i see it 😉

[onyx coyote]

I found them horrible on queen heroic

[hollow river]

with Forced Induction and both Deeper talents, it does 10 yeah

[tropic cedar]

cloak has full immunity for the first 1s

[onyx coyote]

was not doing anywhere near damage i did last week

[vagrant brook]

Supercharger adds 2cp to your finisher after Shiv

[torpid lion]

is that real full immunity for the first second?

[oak tangle]

this game needs to chill on making blue damage phys

[tropic cedar]

yes

[torpid lion]

i dont remeber that at all

[tropic cedar]

it works the same for NW 1st boss frontal

[silent granite]

worth holding CDs until first web on council or nah?

Idk why that was a reply

[oak tangle]

phys is brown

not

blue

[faint vessel]

do you have a bunch of rets and warriors?

[junior kernel]

no afm

[silent granite]

o7

[thick sail]

He says he's only seeing 7 points of damage. Granted he's Outlaw so maybe that's why? Dunno

[uneven plume]

devlin pack updated for 11.0.5?

[hollow river]

let me test, it's def working for sin/sub

[safe barn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[thick sail]

Okay, thanks!

[brittle quail]

hey what pack has a WA bar for envenom stacks pliz ?

need to yoink it

[balmy condor]

le, mine

[brittle quail]

thanks

[balmy condor]

le's collection has a standalone

you should just grab that

luxthos is updated too I believe

[oak tangle]

lol whispyr

[dusty zenith]

You can also look into the top right and see the envenom icon has stack numbers as well

[brittle quail]

luxthos doesnt show double stack

[balmy condor]

hm

someone earlier said it did

guess they were lying

[torpid lion]

i used one in raid tonight

[dusty zenith]

Lux isn’t a rogue main

[torpid lion]

and it was not working 100% of the time

i would have 2 stacks but only 1 bar filled

[brittle quail]

i just downloaded and tried it did show the the bar for the latest stack

ie not good enough

[balmy condor]

I mean, to be totally honest

[dawn heath]

is there anything u need to think about regarding supercharger? i'm abit confused about this new talent it doesnt have any visual combo point changes?

[balmy condor]

that probably is good enough

[balmy condor]

no

[blazing tulip]

somehow i feel like i am doing less dmg than before the patch

[keen rover]

I mean yours has both envenom stacks showing

[brittle quail]

actually yeah probably but i want that info like on ironfur

[torpid lion]

i felt that way aswell

[kindred flare]

Anyone got a standalone TTK WA?

[uneven plume]

what do we do new with double envenom stacks

[thick sail]

Whisp I like your new name. I would open wowhead, but the sheer amount of cancerous multi window video ads and scripts it runs causes my 2020 Alienware PC to potato

[torpid lion]

just give it time new rotation will take time to adjust

[clever kindle]

with taking improved garrote now do we just send it after ambush as if we were using shrouded

[uneven plume]

is the playstyle still the same?

[torpid lion]

not even new rotation but new buff upkeep

give it time

all my parses tonight were below my 99s from before the patch

but it was a messy raid night so

hard to compare

[hollow river]

supercharge does seem weird for outlaw

[stray fox]

hows it new? dont you just always keep envenom up but spam more with more energy

[runic hinge]

Get an ad blocker brother

Stop living in 1998

[tropic cedar]

im noticing it doing more damage in ST for sure

[strange python]

would you guys craft anything else? i did belt and dagger so far

[thick sail]

Tell me how and I will!

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor Whispyr the bars are still long

[tropic cedar]

our fury war didn't know that adds were added back for Rash KEKW

[cerulean walrus]

Your screams were not enough

[thick sail]

Uh oh, maybe he discovered an issue!

[dapper pumice]

anyone group with an ele shaman yet? LOL

[fierce tulip]

wait i also didnt know

scammed

[rocky steeple]

they're insane?

[past furnace]

Whats up boys, so just ran a couple 11s, and my aoe feels about the same, but ST target is horrible, any1 know what i might be doing wrong?

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection has a standalone

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[dapper pumice]

ridiculous right now

[rocky steeple]

Yeah im with some and i cant keep up

theyre absurd

[balmy condor]

it is not

[cerulean walrus]

I just had it happen

After updating

[static glacier]

eh cool info, too bad we just can't spatter them

[dapper pumice]

its hilarious they emergency fixed DK and mage and let ele shaman go live LOL

people were already realizing how insane it is on ptr

[acoustic roost]

!LAG

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[cerulean nest]

is there a particular logic for the ovinax trinket that we care about

[tropic cedar]

some of my spatter was hitting but not what it should be thats for sure

[mellow ridge]

so i know pinned message says that new supercharger is working for 5 or more, but its not for me? just majorly jank rn right?

[vagrant brook]

ring is a good option

[tropic cedar]

iirc it only works when DN isn't* up?

[tawdry crypt]

am I just shiving on cd in st or

[tropic cedar]

i could be misremembering what was said tho

[tawdry crypt]

still holding for dm/kb

[strange python]

ty

[dapper cradle]

bro sin is pumping rn

[dawn heath]

what do i put here now that ER is gone

[dapper cradle]

/fart emote

[cerulean walrus]

A toy

[harsh anchor]

hearthstone card toy

[runic hinge]

UwU macro

[iron valve]

/train macro

[dawn heath]

some great suggestions

[dapper cradle]

i have rupture on r too

[tropic cedar]

Prismatic Bauble

[iron valve]

R is for rupture

[prime hull]

Health potion.

[dawn heath]

Fan on E is probably my best bind

it feels amazing to press

[dapper cradle]

fan on q

[whole sand]

bro please swap 1 and e's position its killing me

[dapper cradle]

mut on e

[prime hull]

You will use it more if it is on a convenient bind like 4.

[wild birch]

F for Fan

[dapper cradle]

F stands for crimson tempest

[hollow sphinx]

fan on mouse4

[dawn heath]

ocd people will hate my setup

[wild birch]

Shift+F Crimson

[tropic cedar]

tf is this bind

[vagrant brook]

fan on mousewheel up

[dapper cradle]

that's the sigma key

[dawn heath]

next to 1

to the left of 1

[tropic cedar]

ah, this? ~

[dawn heath]

§§§§§

[whole sand]

that is some ritualistic looking tldr

[dapper cradle]

that's my guess

[hollow sphinx]

help

[dapper cradle]

i think he said that's his mousewheel though

bro what you're pressing 6?

[whole sand]

i hate it when i fatfinger healthstone instead of my cooldown

[hollow sphinx]

6 is ez

[tropic cedar]

6 for an off-gcd bind is brazy

[dawn heath]

i don't like using rotational buttons on 1-4

[tropic cedar]

me either

[dawn heath]

i really like using f,r,g,c,t,e

[dapper cradle]

shift-j for ghostly strike

[tropic cedar]

i use numbers for cds

[whole sand]

based

[dawn heath]

tea on 6 is kinda crazy

i guess you use a naga mouse

or u macro it

or some shit

there is no way man hits 6

to tea

[dapper cradle]

he must have giga hands

[dawn heath]

off gcd

[dapper cradle]

or he ises esdf for movement

[hollow sphinx]

all keys baby

[whole sand]

fucking piano players

[dawn heath]

right people were yapping about macro'ing tea to shiv

is this actually a thing

[whole sand]

sounds bad

[karmic crystal]

has anyone else noticed their mainhand weapon is absurdly large?

[vast loom]

it didnt feel too bad i tried it out, but i think just ignore it after opener and it kinda just works lol

[dawn heath]

is it time to get rid of S&D tracker

i'm not sure

[hollow sphinx]

actually true

[whole sand]

see

i knew it

'6 is easy'

[vast loom]

6 is in range for me as well but i play on a mmo mouse

i put my rotational buttons on my mouse tho >.> a lot of people dont

[tropic cedar]

pretty sure macroing it would be even worse than just letting it activate @ 30 energy since you are bound to waste energy that way

[karmic crystal]

this is what my weapon looks like atm

[abstract parrot]

i got arakara trink for vault

[hoary apex]

do I even need to track supercharger since we can't use on 5/6 to proc darkest night so we just finish normally?

[tawdry crypt]

is ethereal cloak still giving damage

[dawn heath]

are the sims updated for raidbots?

is that why i've lost 40k dps

[gray flower]

did the rotation meaningfully change with patch?

[dawn heath]

okay with new talent build its 1.069m

so it seems like we lost some ST in m+ build

[short comet]

!wa

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[true lintel]

struggling between egg and ring, thinking ring is better since most people dont take egg in 12+ keys

[spare cargo]

They dont take egg cause maybe they dont have it?

[true lintel]

I dont think thats the case for people doing 12s and higher, it seems like the empowering crystal is just performing better

[jolly heath]

lol it’s ilv

[winged basin]

idk if its cause prog + newish (kinda?..) rotation, but I feel like I sucked butt in raid tonight, feels better atleast tho, really like the way sin is playing in 11.0.5

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/87971310

no sikran kill, but 20% atleast

[vapid skiff]

they take another if thats what they have at myth track because +13 ilvl over hero

good myth track trinket from vault is insanely valuable

take it

ring you can craft/get from raid close to as good

that trinket only from vault

[dawn heath]

so what are people doing with their s&d now

is there still value in tracking/having it on your bars?

[karmic tusk]

No

[blazing pumice]

well you could still pre-key an snd

[hoary apex]

how are you supposed to track supercharger? or is it even worth it?

[blazing pumice]

only gives you like a few extra seconds you wouldn't have it on first pull but w/e

[restive spire]

THEY TOOK MY BELOVED ECHOING REPRIMAND BUT GAVE ME THIS

[vapid skiff]

F reprimand

will miss it

[blazing pumice]

!wa

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[green magnet]

any1 else feel like dog shit during boss fights in M+ with no echoing reprimand to pool energy more often?

[oak tangle]

@slate crown are you able to help me with some weak aura things? say i had 2 auras, in an attempt to track both stacks of envenom, how do i track each one individually? i'd prefer to use the gui rather than code if possible

[pure falcon]

me

[civic gate]

does anyone here use a macro to put on all 4 poisons?

[wide sand]

you can use a cast sequence, but dosen't change much

[slate crown]

you should DM me I was just about to stand up for a bit, I'd be happy to help

[oak tangle]

go stand 🙂 i can mess around till i find something

[pure falcon]

if i do single target build in raid, i feel the same but when i fight mythic+ bosses with the sudden demise build i dont pump as hard

[restive spire]

you dont really need to pool anymore its a tiny tiny tiny tiny dps increase to pool vs mashing with envenom stacking to 200%

[cyan dew]

Guys is Sikrans Arsenal bad? I got a mythic one and it's simming 0.5% better than contract and dead-eye. Should I use it or it's not worth the trouble?

[green magnet]

hmmmm so i can just spam as much as i want?

[slate crown]

!wa Yeah you can look at my aura for it if you want but it's all code. If you still need help whenever you're free to ask

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[restive spire]

pretty much i think its a .2% dps increase or something to pool for kingsbane

[errant trail]

So are we going twist the knife

[dapper pumice]

do we take ttk for m+?

[true lintel]

sims at 636 for each say ring is higher dps increase

[simple gulch]

I really miss ER

[tawdry halo]

ER was good and also fun

don't @ me

[simple gulch]

Is fatebound the move now?

[twilit flower]

is there any "new" suggested builds?

[restive spire]

you can for boss damage both, going down sudden demise side is viable too

[simple gulch]

I hope someone has some

[dapper pumice]

word, so its really just for tyr

if at all

[vapid skiff]

ye im not saying pick the highest sim now

im saying pick for the long run

[shut owl]

parried KB 4 times on bloodbound horror. I love this so much lol.

[vapid skiff]

thats why i explained why i think egg is the pick

becuase its not as simple as higher number this week

[kindred cobalt]

im crying on thistle tea change

[vapid skiff]

but you can do that too if you want

[red coral]

new tea feels like we should be careful to not run out of charges before kingsbane window or not

[dawn heath]

i now have 2 shivs instead

one with macro with tea and one regular

[zinc willow]

is shadow-binding ritual knife accurately simmed? i have it and a sac at the same ilevel and sac always sims below

[vital dew]

T for Tea obv

[woven frost]

What is this I’m hearing that we don’t need SnD anymore?

[hollow sphinx]

why does blind only destroy 1 orb?

[hasty echo]

cast it on a mob

not on an orb

[dapper pumice]

nothing good in BRD for us it seems?

[dawn heath]

hot take

leave the orbs up for funnel

CT & rupture them

[gentle apex]

It just gives duration now you don't need to cast it separately

[dawn heath]

let others deal with it

[dapper pumice]

orbs is free combo points to me

[dawn heath]

yep

FOK

ez pad

[gentle apex]

They just gave us fresh places to put our knives

[dawn heath]

Also...

Reset in 24minutes

[gentle apex]

Is there a like a write-up of what changes are looking like because my house is still f***** from hurricane

[dawn heath]

surely vault wont dissapoint

[copper jackal]

guys what's the new talents needed for MM+ ?

[twilit flower]

im really trying to like the tea change, but after a while on the dummy i feel like im loosing my mind

[dawn heath]

one of these in myth track or queen ring would make me very happy

[dawn heath]

its a shit change but u can play around it u dont need to go below 30 energy

the only W with this patch is feint off gcd

and i feel like that is mostly just nice for m+ players

raiders dont press that button

they play cheat death

[arctic socket]

We also get better st

[dawn heath]

not if u play m+

we got infact worse in ST

i sim 16k less than i did with the other talents

[ivory bay]

what's the new talent tree in M+'s?

[misty holly]

The new daggers from BRD any good? Big damage procs

[arctic socket]

16k? Uh oh

[arctic socket]

No

[shadow badger]

NO

oops

no

[copper jackal]

same question :p

[dawn heath]

My ST sim went down with 16k my Dslice went up with 45k

[minor dagger]

addon for showing item tier?

[arctic socket]

Sounds fine tbh

[misty holly]

Even for offhand? or compared to other heroic track?

[dawn heath]

https://wago.io/bRl2gJIgz

[wispy marsh]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

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[loud trench]

does anyone have a macro for M brood to both focus the worm and kick so i can stop having to do a mouseover and a focus kick on two differnt binds and can spam one button for it

[dawn heath]

^this guy does not play keys

[loud trench]

i do but with a mouseover kick

[green magnet]

but im tlaking M+ we use TTK in M+?

[dawn heath]

u can probably make a target macro if its only one of them

but

[loud trench]

which is fine but there are 1000 parasites under the boss

[dawn heath]

if its multiple gg

[loud trench]

so you just wanted to take a shot at me for not playing keys then? lol

[dapper fractal]

so what talents tot ake rn?..

[dawn heath]

i'm just bored

18minutes for my vault

trying to pass time

i can feel the socket pick this w eek

[loud trench]

by just taking shots at people instead of offering help, got it

[dawn heath]

don't take it so seriously

[misty holly]

This place is very elitist, but try to take what advice you can get but dont take it personal.

[vital dew]

im just having fun with my stabby stabby dracthyr tbh

[dapper fractal]

is it worth it>

o.o

[onyx coyote]

I think they said the sims are not accurate unless you use nightly

[dapper fractal]

i was thinking cause of the racials

[misty holly]

most people will dismiss anyone who isnt looking for cutting edge or like +12 or higher keys tips

[vital dew]

if you can find a mog you like with it, the racials are fun but I did it like.. 90% for soar

[misty holly]

Oh your only doing +8, just play whatever....ignoring some people struggle at +8 and could use help

[dawn heath]

did use this last option should work or?

[onyx coyote]

I'm not sure just stating what pins says

[river acorn]

Does shiv not superchrage a CP atm? or am I tripping?

[dawn heath]

there seems to not be any visual for it

it was very confusing

[onyx coyote]

mine was showing first combo point as blue

[dawn heath]

i guess it juist does more damage

on your finisher

[river acorn]

I alkso hate these changes to sin feels terrible

[balmy condor]

latest working?

[loud trench]

im pulling M brood for the last three weeks and ive done 11s i was just asking for assistance

[dawn heath]

you sure that isnt just some weakauras?

[vagrant brook]

Pin from Whispyr states that "latest" is broken rn

[soft shale]

yea latest is 11.0.5 since 2 days ago

[onyx coyote]

nope i didnt have any auras up

[soft shale]

nightly will get changed today in rebuild likely

[dawn heath]

alright will rerun sims with nightly then

[dapper fractal]

what do i choose x.x

no guides show it

[onyx coyote]

i've been seeing lower dps though even in st and cant figure out why myself

[balmy condor]

guides definitely show it

[soft shale]

all imports show the points

[dapper fractal]

okay

[river acorn]

Whispyr are we bad now?

[main blaze]

Its right there. You pick that talent that needs points.

[balmy condor]

no we're giga op wtf

[dapper fractal]

oh

[balmy condor]

lmao

[limber granite]

wowhead bro

[thorn fjord]

I’m blasting I don’t know what yall are going on about

[dawn heath]

its all ogre

[dapper fractal]

diodnt refresh wowhead

[dawn heath]

bro

[indigo mulch]

inc rogue nerf next reset

[dawn heath]

rogue is dead

[vital dew]

Hmm i just realized you can just drop Iron wire for TTK.

[indigo mulch]

for sure!

[dapper fractal]

?

[onyx coyote]

I'm wondering if i'm just missing somethign tht was changed

[thorn fjord]

What is happening

[strange python]

I did 2.7M on ovinax before we wiped on last egg set, we are broken, I was 100M damage ahead of anyone else on boss

[thorn fjord]

These changes feel great

[river acorn]

which build you playin?

[river acorn]

idk man I miss ER

[vital dew]

[Citation needed]

[north mica]

sup with the revamped HoJ ?!

[strange python]

No crimson tempest just caustic and new ST talents

[oak tangle]

i am going to assume all who say they are doing worse, are people comparing their dummy parse to what they did last week in raid

[dapper cradle]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxsrUntj9luvnNnxyDuU3p2TzStKwRkik1?si=ZbRGHHPFx4PRJsQW

[onyx coyote]

No i just was not seeing same damage but i was using vicious venoms before

[dapper cradle]

why does whispyr back to back shiv here @balmy condor

[dawn heath]

i tried hitting some dummies on aoe

i was producing more damage

[onyx coyote]

so i'm not sure if its just getting used to the new rotation

[dawn heath]

havent tested st

[oak tangle]

what new rotation?

[dapper cradle]

i thought it was shiv pre kb and then last 8 seconds of kb

[raven egret]

raid night over, recleared up to Ovi, honestly spec feels extremely good today

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah it does

[mighty rapids]

think nerfs are comin tbh

sadly

[dawn heath]

Okay so latest and nightly is giving me the same result are both not working or are both working?

[onyx coyote]

I had not been using fok for clear the witness when i chose vicious venoms

[oak tangle]

you losing dps cause you dont press SnD in opener?

[soft shale]

yea we are only 200k to 300k behind enh and bm

maybe we get nerfed

[mighty rapids]

tru

[soft shale]

arcane did get a knee breaker tho

[dawn heath]

you meant to say ele?

[soft shale]

was funny

[hollow river]

enh is also doing big dam

as far as i know

[soft shale]

ele is good in dungeons not super boss dmg

[twin current]

are new talents updated on wowhead/icyveins?

[minor berry]

was*

[hollow river]

no. is.

[strange python]

We aren’t getting nerfed, why would we they are giving us a biweekly 2% buff

No reason

They will just buff other classes

[soft shale]

damn ele did get the snacker