#assassination

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raven egret
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Yeah it's still up in the air a bit, will be a fun raid night XD

young dust
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it should cut the beasts while you're killing them, and if you have a fire nearby, isnta cooked food on your bag

bleak spoke
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but if it does, there's niche value in m+ to finish right before a long rp or osmething with many combo points

tranquil cobalt
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So we freed up two keybinds with these changes today? Nice

bleak spoke
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so you can cast snd at some point

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and not drop it at all

wise whale
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i wish gromnak played rogue tbh

bright rain
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Can rogues make Coaglamation trivial with the orbs by using cloak?

little tulip
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yes

little tulip
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it's a good idea

bleak spoke
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it's very good

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the healing absorb scales pretty aggro with key level

bright rain
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definitely noted

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thanks

fair ferry
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Anybody have energy problems in long fights?

deep gyro
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Zzzz

bright rain
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I don't play rogue but my M+ group has one

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Should rogues use cloak for clearing orbs over using it as a defensive in CoT?

cobalt sphinx
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on the second round of balls you should pick all the orbs and then cloak for dark pulse

young dust
little tulip
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depends, if a bunch of orbs are in creep you should cloak and hoover the orbs

cobalt sphinx
little tulip
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but most pugs are good about not letting that happen to begin with

young dust
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i mean feint and evasion are more than enough for the dot pulse

bleak spoke
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i know it's for ants gonna zoom in

royal lantern
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have a dps warrior that solo's every single orb wave without doing anything

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second wind ftw

bleak spoke
bleak spoke
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literally 2.5m absorb shield

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on application in a 13

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from each ball

bright rain
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also is assa just insanely squishy?

bleak spoke
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no

young dust
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no

deep gyro
bleak spoke
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but you're weak to rot dmg, as is traditionally the case

raven egret
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I wouldn't say insanely, we don't have the biggest health pool is all

cobalt sphinx
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without elusiveness it has pretty bad single target damage/dot mitigation

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or like none at all

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it has no wall

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almost all classes have a 30-40% wall

young dust
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i mean, we have low hp, but we have the tools to survive

bright rain
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your wall cds are pretty low cd no?

raven egret
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Imagine not using elusiveness 👀

deep gyro
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Feint is low cd.

dapper cradle
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Off gcd soon

royal lantern
# raven egret Ewwww warriors, icky

the second wind interaction is just funny af

picking up the orbs doesnt do dmg, the boss only does dmg every 20ish seconds, so a dps warrior can take them all, Second Wind heals the shield away in 5-6 seconds and thats it

its cool that it works, ngl dracthyr_kek

pseudo cosmos
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we got a few key abilitys to help not get clapped

raven egret
royal lantern
bleak spoke
royal lantern
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(to have the same deffensive value a DK has that doesnt do anything at all)

bright rain
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got it

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thanks for the insight!

bleak spoke
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i mean evasion wall is better than ibf

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i guess

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by 5%

dapper cradle
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Dks have cdr for their wall tho

young dust
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otherwise you get nuked

dapper cradle
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And ams is giga

coral ibex
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and then they have amz, and ams, on top of having like 8m hp and they wear plate

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fuck dks

dapper cradle
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Ams is unironically the best defensive in the game

young dust
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raid wide damage is always fine

bleak spoke
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but i'm bad

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etc

coral ibex
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and death's advance so they just laugh at many mechs everyone else has to do

bright rain
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kind of surprised WoW head recommends Cheat Death over Elusiveness in M+

bleak spoke
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i'm not surprised

bright rain
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Elusiveness just seems like the better answer

young dust
coral ibex
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cheat is good in lower keys which is most people

bleak spoke
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you don't need elu to live in 10s

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and most of the population aren't going higher

bright rain
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so during most group wide dmg events y'all just pop Feint

spice surge
bleak spoke
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^

spice surge
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Ye you'd take more damage

royal lantern
spice surge
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But negating a death earlier in the key to something dumb is gonna be better

young dust
bleak spoke
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it's like 18% now that they're nerfing rune carved plates by a pittace i guess

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pittance*

hollow stone
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ye ^

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Ah the other part of elu, roger

bleak spoke
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tbh i might start playing atrophic poison in keys with light casts

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like wake etc

young dust
spice surge
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Multiplicatively

dawn heath
young dust
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100 damage = 100 * 0.8 * 0.8?

dawn heath
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we wiped on last boss

spice surge
bleak spoke
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so for aoe magic dmg hit it would be 100 * 0.6 * 0.6

spice surge
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20% would be 0.8, not 0.6

pseudo cosmos
young dust
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i think he's considering feint as well

bleak spoke
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well i'm assuming you're getting 40% from "aoe" from feint and 40% from "magic" from eva

young dust
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but its still wrong

spice surge
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Then it would be 0.6 x 0.8 x 0.8

bleak spoke
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ah okay

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makes sense, evasion is in two pieces already

hollow stone
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additive would be coooool

bleak spoke
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it's still 62% mit

hollow stone
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so thicc

bleak spoke
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which is not as good as ice cold but what can you do

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better than ginvis!

raven egret
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Crimson Vial harder

young dust
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we just gotta get good

bleak spoke
royal lantern
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average mage talent

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like

hollow stone
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it’d be cool if we got a similar choice node that allowed us to drop cloak for a FAT dr cd like ice cold

royal lantern
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its not even a meme

bleak spoke
royal lantern
bleak spoke
royal lantern
pseudo cosmos
royal lantern
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45sec 10% dr btw

eager gazelle
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do alter time next

bleak spoke
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there's more

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blink barrier

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actual barrier

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mass barrier

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displacement actually heals you for more than crimson vial for no reason btw

young dust
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lmao mages are like solo self found healers

hollow stone
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blink barrier is like a 10k shield, fuck am i a mage sympathizer?

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send help

bleak spoke
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and pressing alter refunds blink charges

royal lantern
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:3

hollow stone
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youre right, its the mages who are wrong

young dust
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stop im getting depressed

royal lantern
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its just stupid cus like

we had it for a while that rogue and mage both where "you are good at mitigating dmg if it doesnt happen regulary"

bleak spoke
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oh still wrong one

royal lantern
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and then blizz just went and made it 100% of the time for mage

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while also giving them multiple max hp heals

bleak spoke
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AH SHIT STILL WRONG ONE SORRY

young dust
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they have 5 skills or so that are able to remove webs in ovi'nax

bleak spoke
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this must be one of my best bits

young dust
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meanwhile we have 2 and one of them is from our damage rotation

bleak spoke
hollow stone
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its a good bit

bleak spoke
spice surge
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Ok now try linking all the DK ones

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They have like 9 or 10

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Not 4

bleak spoke
young dust
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crimson vial should be off GCD and 3 charges if talented. With auto-drink, same as thistle tea

bleak spoke
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crimson vial should just return to healing you for 40%

young dust
bleak spoke
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they cut it in half because allegedly we were gonna get some weird vial stuff with pickpocketing mobs

eager gazelle
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new talent idea: feint activates crimson vial

bleak spoke
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torghast talent

eager gazelle
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we are gaming now

bleak spoke
stray adder
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new talent: You cannot die

bleak spoke
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step activates vial vial activates feint feint activates evasion evasion activates cloak cloak refunds a charge of step

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that's actually how i did the torghast boss rush

eager gazelle
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all off gcd pls

bleak spoke
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the defensive cycle

timber meadow
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how many keybinds do we get refunded due to the patch?

stray adder
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2

bleak spoke
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and i just stepped the mobs over and over

pseudo cosmos
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this is what the mob sees

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when u do all that

royal lantern
runic terrace
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As a non-native I have a really hard time to understand it😅 Do I spam Envenom if I have enough energy for TTK to procc and KB is not up in the next 6 seconds? Or do I like wait for the old Env to be at ~1 second?

young dust
normal furnace
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hi, dumb dumb question. First day playing rogue - do I understand correctly that Echoing Reprimand is not mentioned in the rotation portion of the wowhead guide because from tomorrow (EU) we won't be using it?

faint vessel
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yerp

vast patio
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Still don't get why they couldn't make auto thistle a choice node.

faint vessel
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it wont exist as a usable ability, its now a new talent

vast patio
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Best of both worlds.

spice surge
normal furnace
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thanks

faint vessel
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the VT/earthquake treatment, I figured they would based on feedback

spice surge
bleak spoke
# spice surge Ok now try linking all the DK ones

will of the necropolis blood draw null magic 15% bonus absorb shields 3-6% avoidance conditional to being cc'd, lichborne bark, amz (does that count), absorb shield on white hits, rune carved plates

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death strike, tbh

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they don't even take death pact cuz it's not high quality enough

gleaming geyser
stray adder
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after today's patch

bleak spoke
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oh yeah 20% stam

gleaming geyser
dense lodge
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@balmy condor Lovely work on the video my bro. Really good watch and explained everything in detail. Thankyou!

fickle light
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how do you guys deal with aggro, i'm pulling agro near the end of packs and just dying

upbeat cave
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hi guys, is there still a weakaura for roll the bones rerolls?

royal lantern
dense lodge
fickle light
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so theres nothing i can do?

royal lantern
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cus how tf do you lose aggro AT THE END of a pack OMEGAKEKW

vast loom
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your tank is doing something wrong

royal lantern
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aggro should never be an issue after 5 seconds

dense lodge
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only way you should ever agro is if you dont tricks and you insta crit the mob before the tank hits it

royal lantern
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unless your tank legit doesnt play the game

royal lantern
fickle light
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its normally the 1 mob i've got deathmark and kingsbane on

strange python
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They hotfix nerfed mages and dks

royal lantern
strange python
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Bless

vast loom
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even then

pseudo cosmos
stray adder
vast loom
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the only time i get aggro is if i hit a mob that wasnt in the initial aoe my tank did

faint vessel
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they went after those real quick, breath damage down 10%?

nimble tartan
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chat do i become a dragon

lilac anchor
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"We’re also planning tuning for other specs, to be implemented with weekly maintenance next week (30 October), and we’ll have more specifics to share on that in a few days."

/hide

dense cloud
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xD quick arcane and dk nerfs

dense cloud
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lol

stray adder
faint vessel
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tricks the shamans

subtle tundra
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we gotta vanish

normal furnace
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buffs for arcane

stray adder
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going to the mage discord

faint vessel
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hit all the buttons

dense lodge
faint vessel
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collectively, sin rogues should throw parses for the week

daring hamlet
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lil nervous that with frost dk getting these nerfs, assa gonna be next after a couple months : /

faint vessel
pseudo cosmos
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were fine copium

daring hamlet
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we were already competitive with fdk

faint vessel
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fun minigame

quasi stump
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I mean ill still play assa even if it gets nerfed cause iron wire is so fun

daring hamlet
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and now were jsut gonna look lopsided

patent elk
daring hamlet
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yeah..

tall atlas
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Is this still rough and salty?

stray adder
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Arcane getting hit with 14 different nerfs before BM hunter becomes playable is crazy

dense lodge
faint vessel
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oh yeah find the yapper, that sounds fun

tired gull
thorn crater
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Watching the video of Whisp I’m on the m+ part. Have I missed something? Had we stopped running scent?

stray adder
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frost got cooked lol

normal furnace
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do you use poisoned knife at any time? Like is it worth keeping on a panel?

thorn fjord
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Well well well

normal furnace
west crown
normal furnace
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and enhs maybe

bleak spoke
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hard to crit with garrote cast

stray adder
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Guys we need to bait Blizzard's attention to another spec

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Nerf Boomkin

onyx wind
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assa rogue doesnt need nerf its very weak atm

mellow swift
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Rogue is completely balanced

lone ginkgo
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do i craft 2 weapons until i get a myth track?

normal mist
normal mist
gleaming geyser
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we got a 30% buff just now (to race change to dracthyr) Stonks

thorn crater
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Is patch live in murica?

novel badger
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Can we all agree to play bad on purpose this week to avoid nerfs next week? pls guys

west crown
lone ginkgo
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what do i do with my other sparks just nothing?

west crown
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fill in gaps with your gear

stray adder
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New rule: Do not apply rupture this week

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buy a darkmoon trinket

gleaming geyser
bleak spoke
stray adder
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perfect

west crown
daring hamlet
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like the only reason people didn't complain about assa is cuase we had fdk as a shield

bleak spoke
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we still have fdk as a shield they got buffed

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and also enhance

daring hamlet
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our M+ dmg is crazy, we dont burst as high but our overalls are like very simillar to fdk

normal mist
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and now nerfed

bleak spoke
west crown
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no buff

daring hamlet
normal mist
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arcane and fdk got nerfed just now

sudden trench
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Big nerf xD

stray adder
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my fdk friend is malding

novel badger
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FDK got gutted

west crown
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I feel we are next on the chopping block

fathom cove
quasi stump
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“Not only is sin rogue one of the most powerful specs DPS wise, it has one of the most overpowered abilities in the game, Iron Wire”

vast loom
daring hamlet
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nah you can do crazy dmg in basically any key level

bleak spoke
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okay but like you're still getting wither away and dark talons at the same time now

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like

vast loom
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in 10s things die so fast i cant even use CDs half the time

white orchid
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Anytime assass gets
Nerfed it somehow gets over nerfed lol

daring hamlet
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splatter just hits too hard

vast loom
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its good dmg for sure but i wouldnt call it crazy

bleak spoke
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in 10s you can go really really fast if you want

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garrote garrote kb rupture ct muti

stray adder
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as long as they dont nerf it to the point where we gotta play outlaw im good

normal furnace
west crown
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spatter needs another 5 % nerf if they do anything

daring hamlet
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am i crazy for being legit enrvous bout an assa nerf without our fdk shield anymore?

bleak spoke
pseudo cosmos
mint egret
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the one thing we got going is that nobody plays rogue so

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its like 3% representation

daring hamlet
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echo is running one in their push comp unfortunately

mint egret
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ret is like 14

bleak spoke
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muti fok deathmark env etc

daring hamlet
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and thats a hugely watched stream combined between them all

pseudo cosmos
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1 rogue out of 20

west crown
bleak spoke
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you get 3 stacks of scent

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that's fine

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if you get the other stacks

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pack will die

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the rupture is so you can even spatter in the first place

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if you could spatter without it

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you would go gg kb env

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to go really really fast

west crown
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maybe my groups are bad because i dont have packs where im using KB lasting less than 20 seconds

bleak spoke
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your final tick of KB will pop before they can cast exterm

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that's the idea behind this

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cuz fastest they can open is remorseless walking in, howling reaper pillar breath

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dnd

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4 oblits into exterms

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with one howling blast proc

visual hemlock
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can NA people login into game? or still maintenance

west crown
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we have 3 hours

visual hemlock
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aggh

vast loom
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we have 3 hours before the 1st extendo

bleak spoke
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so the idea is you get your KB to pop before they can get to the bottom of pillar

dense cloud
cobalt sphinx
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-90 gilded -2 sparks

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it was fun playing fdk for a week

quasi stump
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LMAOOOOO

bleak spoke
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now people will see how good udk is

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with plaguebringer abom

normal furnace
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O_o 52% nerf?

fathom cove
west crown
bleak spoke
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spoiler: it's fucking insane

quasi stump
blazing pumice
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i did tell that guy complaining the season was over yesterday to chill the fuck out

quasi stump
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Idk

normal furnace
stray adder
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I'm sweating bullets, mid maintenance nerfs is crazy

bleak spoke
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like

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so unholy is so easy now actually

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you scourge strike to apply a self buff of exsanguinate basically

cobalt sphinx
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fdk might be fine

bleak spoke
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then you hit abom and it puts on all your dots

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and you hit epidemic until your face goes blue and you do a gorillion dmg

pale nexus
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dracthyr rog gna be a good thing?

daring hamlet
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im curious how much of a nerf this is compared to live (becuase I assume these numbers are based on the ptr variant of dk which was accidentally buffed)

normal mist
pale nexus
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extra mastery/mobility lol

normal mist
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doesnt fucking matter

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it still isnt a dwarf

bleak spoke
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but then if the pack is still alive you can pop vile contagion? contagious taint? smelly taint? it's the one that looks like green corruption, to dupe your existing wounds/diseases from main target to cleave, and then you can pop wounds and press epi for another 30 seconds

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like

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also you can do all of this from ranged

stray adder
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wasn't rider like 2-3% behind deathbringer though

royal python
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are sims updated for sin for the new patch ?

bleak spoke
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yes

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you can play glacial advance rider

royal python
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thanks

bleak spoke
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and fast frostwyrms

fathom cove
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whatever they do to assa, I just hope they leave our AoE alone 🙏 please

bleak spoke
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and it's like 2.5 or something

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but it can actually do more if you get lucky

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with uhh trollbane? procs

royal python
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they should nerf crimson tempest, so real spatter players can play

bleak spoke
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the one that does the dmg proc

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and if you don't have to waste globals on pressing dnd cuz you get morgraine

strange python
bleak spoke
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literally fdk is fine

stray adder
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yeah thats what im seeing

shell lodge
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Anyone got recommendations on wa to track the twist the knife envenom durations? Can you extend them via pandemic mechanic?

stray adder
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just play rider

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which is 10x more fun

bleak spoke
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okay i played a key with double rider dk

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the riders pull packs

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that you're not fighting

chrome mirage
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sick

bleak spoke
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it's kinda funny

slate crown
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and then servers went down

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but we'll have some eventually out there

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I know others will probably make one, I'm working on one

bleak spoke
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we were doin grim batol lava room, and whitemane charged down the stairs 40 yards to pull the boss

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it was fucking hilarious

slate crown
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It's mostly working now but I couldn't get it uploaded yet, and need to add supercharger support for the pandemic tick

bleak spoke
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we were already out of combat

slate crown
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And yes, the second stack pandemics into new stacks

bleak spoke
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like she just ran off

shell lodge
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Does pandemic extension work on the envenom durations on ttf?

visual hemlock
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would be cool if rogue dragons while in stealth went on 4 legs

shell lodge
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Like does it extend the buff with less duration each time?

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Cuz iirc they are asynchronous buffs

bleak spoke
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i guess that's not weirder than liking feet

slate crown
drowsy hatch
gentle badger
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Are we going to put up both envenom stacks before we deathmark shiv kingsbane during opener?

shell lodge
serene solar
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Frost dk got some of their discord channels locked until sims come in cause the dooming was so hard.

slate crown
shell lodge
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TLDR perfect assa rogue rotation upkeeps highest possible 2x envenom buff by envenoming only in pandemic (outside of burst)

bleak spoke
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literally just play rider

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it's insane

spice surge
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Well this place aint much better, tons of people dooming about the tea change all the time kekdog

bleak spoke
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yeah i guess

thorn crater
bleak spoke
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i guess if they hit deathstalkers really hard but fatebound was within 2% people would be dooming and someone on another discord would be saying they're so stupid just play fatebound

shell lodge
hexed frost
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Bruh what are these new M+ builds PogO

Blindside/cleave build but no bone spike

Bleed build but no blindside

Two of my fav abilities xla

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Atleast I can do iron wire now though

shell lodge
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Ttf will net us higher energy gen but prob not enuf to just press muti muti envenom without pooling

thorn crater
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Was anyone actually playing blindside with scent?

hexed frost
vale shore
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was anyone NOT playing iron wire? thats just trolling

hexed frost
fickle lotus
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Are yall gonna be waiting to take your vault item for raidbots to update or just rip it natty?

desert cove
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
royal python
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why is it when i cast a single rupture (the only combo spender) - above 5 cp, i get 4 hits of tail coin in details ? how does it work

vale shore
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starting every pack with it all silenced and doing less damage?

vale shore
royal python
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single mob

vale shore
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and flipping twice from stealth

royal python
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ok flip twice makes sense

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thanks

vale shore
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deathmark makes a double flip

proper cosmos
bleak spoke
desert cove
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I hope lisonna is going to be able to update their WA package for twist the knife today, their pack is my favorite to use for rogue

royal python
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thanks

fickle lotus
jaunty warren
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lol

cerulean walrus
bleak spoke
fickle lotus
bleak spoke
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yeah

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lmao

fickle lotus
bleak spoke
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i mean my gear is like, there's clear points of upgrade

slate crown
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Once servers go live I can brush up envenom and publish what I have but the rest of the pack isn't updated for supercharger/symbols charges/SnD purge. The envenom tick for pandemic won't account for supercharger points

bleak spoke
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tbh i didn't need a sim to tell me "get ilevel on the pieces without ilevel"

shell lodge
desert cove
bleak spoke
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"mythic tier is good because it's more agi than heroic tier"

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etc

jaunty warren
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I am willing to bet that all the devs are working pretty hard on that job they don’t get paid for….i have faith…and patience

shell lodge
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It’s for love

frosty vigil
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where do we rank frost dk after recent nurfs?

west crown
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F tier

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50% nerf

jaunty warren
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Why do we care in the rogue discord?

shell lodge
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It’s dead reroll ret

slate crown
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the nerfs came out

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like

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20 minutes or whatever ago

shell lodge
desert cove
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I'm glad that fdk got nerfed

white lance
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are the fdk sims out yet

eager gazelle
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we care becuase all the fdk are re-rolling rogue

blazing pumice
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i've done an ai-powered mainframe simulation, frost are d-tier

stray fox
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So does that ST rotation change any with pandemic working with ttk? Or is it still same rules

desert cove
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it was kinda wild that arcane mage and fdk were both getting buffs

eager gazelle
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they are among us

quasi stump
bleak spoke
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actually they are rerolling enhance

frosty vigil
royal python
bleak spoke
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tbh you should literally play both

shell lodge
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Fdk players rerolling rogue are in for a rude awakening when they start getting one shot by abilities in 12s

jaunty warren
shell lodge
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Going from plate to leather KEKW

normal mist
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maaaaaaaaaaybe

bleak spoke
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i assume people in lfg or something

west crown
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I leveled a fdk to try it this expansion. Then got into the gameplay and was bored out of my mind

royal python
bleak spoke
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tbh dnd feels like legion/bfa blade flurry

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2 charges of cleave

west crown
wet storm
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Yeah I tried to join DK discord to laugh and couldn't

thorn crater
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Ok so we send everything with cds, not caring about clipping and shit and then go back to just use envenom only when it’s about to expire?

fallen stag
thorn crater
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And do we do that every minute with KB?

pallid bough
#

thats wild holy shit

#

hahaha

shell lodge
#

I’d be surprised if we don’t send on our 2m window

fossil sand
#

Question for the big rogue brains about Iron Wire (as Deathstalker).

It seems like we are opening from Stealth with Ambush to apply mark, without taking Subterfuge do we have to skip ambush to get the silence from Iron Wire and then wait to apply Mark through max cp Envintom?

thorn crater
#

Even with cds?

#

I would think every time KB is up we send no?

shell lodge
#

Yes

lyric basin
#

Guys how is the patch affecting us as assassination % wise?

pallid bough
#

6% ST

#

maybe more

shell lodge
#

But then the question is do we pool prekb to make sure we have enuf energy

pallid bough
#

dunno

lyric basin
#

Omg juicy

pallid bough
#

def 6-7% tho

shell lodge
#

Cuz dm gives insane energy gen but kb alone doesn’t

pallid bough
#

sims are still janky

lyric basin
#

Is aoe affected?

thorn crater
fallen stag
normal mist
shell lodge
#

U kinda did but idk to what level we have to pool now

pallid bough
#

uhh I think someone in discord cooked up a good build

#

for M+

west crown
lyric basin
#

ST is where we need love tho

west crown
#

should be fine to send

serene solar
young dust
#

we are fine now

shell lodge
#

Could be bad take but I’m low key scared about getting 6% buff

#

Always best to be one below best so u don’t get nerfhammered

young dust
#

fdks are fine as well, bunch of fotm crybabies

west crown
fathom cove
royal python
#

flensing knives * cough cough

fathom cove
#

you still open with Ambush

thorn crater
#

Oh boy updating guides is not gonna be fun

lyric basin
#

They nerfed our cleave tho so atleast they can pay up with some ST

indigo mulch
#

Wait what happend with fdk's? O_o

#

i thought they were getting a buff

young dust
fathom cove
west crown
indigo mulch
#

lmao

shell lodge
spice surge
lyric basin
#

Yeah that’s our top1 dmg in cleave

spice surge
#

Our overall never want down, ye they lowered the spatter number

fathom cove
#

it wasnt really a nerf

stray adder
#

god i love fotm rage

shell lodge
spice surge
#

But we got bigger numbers on the things that spattered

sour relic
#

is there an optimized M+ high key build yet

young dust
#

they mentioned it wasnt even supposed to be a buff

lyric basin
#

That’s true

fathom cove
#

because our ST dmg that cleaves got buffed, it was a very very minor nerf in AoE

frosty bridge
#

wait

shell lodge
#

And it basically wasn’t a nerf bc of how spatter works

west crown
young dust
#

but they hadnt opened the calculator yet

frosty bridge
#

does cloak not work on necrotic wake first boss anymore

spice surge
#

Only first second

normal mist
#

on the 1st second

lyric basin
#

Let’s hope they forget us again after this buff

frosty bridge
#

As in, i gotta press it giga late

pseudo cosmos
#

yes

spice surge
#

But ye evasion works oto

young dust
#

evasion works

shell lodge
#

Yo this thistle tea changes tho anyone else pissed at that

frosty bridge
cobalt sphinx
#

intervene works too

indigo mulch
#

this looks a bit omnious though ngl

spice surge
west crown
pseudo cosmos
lyric basin
serene solar
frosty bridge
#

wait is that some bug then or

fathom cove
spice surge
#

If you play the spec properly it wont proc anyway

#

Even before this change

shell lodge
#

Ya but I’m bad

cobalt sphinx
#

everyone makes mistakes

frosty bridge
#

I dont remember having to cloak like that back in SL

indigo mulch
#

I have a feeling rogues will be in a very good spot for like a week, then the nerf hammers will smite thy rogue.

shell lodge
#

So let me be bad without punishing me

subtle cipher
#

100%

spice surge
#

Its not even punishing, its super mega minor

frosty bridge
#

is that specifically for that ability or a cloak bug?

frosty bridge
#

i just got deleted in a 13 because i thought i can just cloak kek

spice surge
#

Some rare cases where it does matter

bleak spoke
#

supercloak is wild yeh

subtle cipher
shell lodge
#

Wait did they patch nw first boss breath to bypass cloak?

frosty bridge
#

I see I see

spice surge
#

Rogue defensives can never be straight forward

#

It has to be complicated

fathom cove
stray adder
bleak spoke
#

like usually it's like if you get a debuff supercloak will have it not apply at all, compared to normal cloak dropping the debuff etc

frosty bridge
#

i dont remember, was it like that back in SL too?

spice surge
#

Nah

bronze pike
#

next time rogue gets nerfed

bronze pike
#

would be peak

#

and needed

spice surge
#

It usually happens when they re-add dungeons

fathom cove
#

doubt all you want

bronze pike
#

cause the lurkers act like animals when op spec gets touched

spice surge
#

its been the case in a lot of re-added dungeons in DF too

bleak spoke
#

the belching guy was always super cloak though, in stitchflesh room

#

like the last pack before the boss

fleet pagoda
#

speaking of rogue defensives, how is DR on evasion with elusiveness + bait and switch calculated? is it the value(.8)(.8)?

frosty bridge
desert cove
#

do we know if they've fixed flensing knives existing

#

so I can go back to taking bait and switch

spice surge
#

So presumably no

desert cove
indigo mulch
bleak spoke
#

also if you supercloak the fiery ricochet it won't bounce, on that topic

#

in siege

desert cove
#

I'm so lost

bleak spoke
#

the first second of cloak

young dust
#

the talent

fathom cove
desert cove
#

kk

frosty bridge
harsh anchor
#

Soup or cloak

bleak spoke
#

is more immune than others

desert cove
#

wait wtf I never knew this

subtle cipher
desert cove
#

god I hate rogue defensives

pseudo cosmos
#

kek

indigo mulch
bleak spoke
#

wait till yall figure out how vanish actually works

pseudo cosmos
#

ikr

strong wing
#

Im having this lua error with whysper WA, dont know if you guys can help me solve it since I have 0 idea about was: 2x Lua error in aura '[LE] (Sin) Garrote': Trigger 3
WeakAuras Version: 5.17.2
Aura Version: 3.0.4
Stack trace:
[string "return function() --For auras with infinite..."]:58: attempt to index field '' (a nil value)
[string "return function() --For auras with infinite duration"]:58: in function <[string "return function() --For auras with infinite..."]:56>
[string "=(tail call)"]: ?
[string "=[C]"]: in function xpcall' [string "@WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:672: in function <WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua:657> [string "@WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:1008: in function ScanEventsWatchedTrigger'
[string "@WeakAuras/WeakAuras.lua"]:4838: in function SendDelayedWatchedTriggers' [string "@WeakAuras/WeakAuras.lua"]:4949: in function UpdatedTriggerState'
[string "@WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:941: in function ScanEventsInternal' [string "@WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:878: in function ScanEvents'
[string "@WeakAuras/Prototypes.lua"]:766: in function <WeakAuras/Prototypes.lua:728>

Locals:
as = <table> {
}
ts = <table> {
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}
}
snapNum = 1
(*temporary) = nil
(*temporary) = nil
(*temporary) = nil
(*temporary) = "attempt to index field '' (a nil value)"

pseudo cosmos
#

if ur super good at timing vanish it also works as a immune

#

unless they fixed that

bleak spoke
#

not disjoints

#

when you vanish you vanish twice actaully

desert cove
#

huh

bleak spoke
#

there's 2 threat drops

desert cove
#

I see

#

so it's like a double shadowmeld

spice surge
bleak spoke
#

once on press when you acquire the debuff, and then again when the debuff expires

spice surge
#

But yes back in the days it used to work like that

barren island
pseudo cosmos
spice surge
#

Got fixed in like mop or something

young dust
#

you have to cloak preemptively Sikran's charge

#

you get no line if the boss targets you

#

but he still charges everyone

bleak spoke
#

but you can cancel aura vanish to force out the second vanish instantly

#

so if you're trying to escape a truesight mob

fathom cove
bleak spoke
#

you can turn a corner and cancel aura vanish

#

and it will deaggro

#

etc

barren island
west crown
#

is warcraft logs resetting?

#

cant see stats

desert cove
bleak spoke
#

yes new partition

desert cove
#

that's not an immunity

drowsy hatch
#

logs will def need to split

pseudo cosmos
#

im suprised enh is dodging all the "tuning"

spice spire
#

What

shell lodge
#

Yo what do you guys mean by supercloak for NW boss? Can’t u just cloak and not take dmg from belch

royal lantern
#

i swear

so many names that showed up in the last month with some REALLY "strong" opinions based on absolutely nothing, that say them as if they are some hard facts

royal lantern
#

its insane

spice spire
#

Anything after

bleak spoke
broken sandal
#

How muich effort should wer be putting into staying above 50% energy for sanguine blades? Is it just an equip and forget or is there specific min maxing?

spice spire
#

Is ur gonna get domed

pale nexus
#

im eating popcorn watching all this

bleak spoke
#

if you go early you get owned

spice spire
#

Super cloak is like actual invuln the first 1.ish seconds

west crown
shell lodge
#

Wait what I’ve literally done nw tens of times and never died to it and I never paid attention to the timing

spice spire
barren island
shell lodge
subtle cipher
#

KEKW

bleak spoke
bleak spoke
#

yeh

proper cosmos
#

All fun and giggles watching the nerfed specs discords going crazy but next week is our turn

simple yoke
#

Anyone have Euro/Aussie friends that play Saturday/Sunday Mornings (Morning from the US perspective)

spice spire
#

Either way

spice spire
shell lodge
#

How has this literally never happened to me

spice spire
#

Ig

desert cove
#

I'm just here to gain information and also cause a little bit of chaos

#

🙂

bleak spoke
#

maybe

shell lodge
#

Belch is nature dmg and cloak is magic immune

spice spire
shell lodge
#

Is cloak shit

spice spire
#

It definitely changed this tier

barren island
#

assa st damage too strong, lets nerf it but leave enhance alone 4Head

west crown
spice spire
desert cove
#

you're probably a toe sucker too

bleak spoke
#

idk

bleak spoke
#

we probably see an aura nerf

#

or something

barren island
spice spire
#

I think we still don’t hit hance tho

#

But I mean

bleak spoke
#

enhance got buffed too

spice spire
#

Either buff other classes

barren island
#

exactly lol

bleak spoke
#

don't listen to the propaganda of "we're not sure"

cobalt sphinx
#

enhance is seeing some changes

royal python
#

Nope, it'll be a deathstalker nerf cause fatebound underrepresented

bleak spoke
#

"some changes" including an upward trajectory of simdps

spice spire
#

Or nerf the top (us included at this point)

barren island
#

deathstalker = shitstalker

cerulean walrus
#

Quake are you ready for all the goobers crying about Mortimer forcing them to chug tea under 30 energy?

safe barn
#

its so much fun when other discords become as unhinged as ours sometimes

cerulean walrus
#

When it actually happens

desert cove
#

you need to go watch whispyr's newest rambling vid

west crown
#

leave us alone is just a way to (try and) keep a spec competitive with enhancecopium

safe barn
#

dudes are malding for no reason at all

pseudo cosmos
safe barn
#

ive never seen mage bad in a patch

royal python
desert cove
#

fatebound and deathstalker have always existed within like, a 1% diff iirc

bleak spoke
#

i've got some bad news about parsing 99

desert cove
#

less than that I think actually

strong sleet
#

!upgrade

robust axle
cerulean walrus
spice spire
#

!up

gentle crown
#

I relate more to deathstalker, i play if for the class fantasy

past panther
#

are yall ready for the fdk’s to reroll sin rogue and enhancement shaman?

cerulean walrus
#

Here it comes

gentle crown
#

duh

#

fatebound, nah.

#

I'm a deathstalker

desert cove
#

and that remains true, fatebound is now just slightly ahead as of the last sims whispyr did

spice spire
royal python
#

Fatebound is way ahead if you time your heads + sanguine blades in between cds

drowsy hatch
#

This guy is bound by fate kekdog

royal python
#

N you flip lucky

cerulean walrus
gentle crown
cerulean walrus
spice spire
desert cove
#

yeah I'm aware

spice spire
#

He can only lose 100%, the gains are infinite!!!!

shell lodge
#

Is it possible to take ttf, iron wire, and sudden demise in m+ tree

bleak spoke
#

i'm gonna do a flip off a bridge

cerulean walrus
bleak spoke
#

call it an edgy case

spice spire
#

Boo

gentle crown
tropic cedar
shadow patio
#

Any updates WAs?

desert cove
#

he should flip in a mobius strip formation

hoary kernel
#

I was about to ask if anyone has tried fatebound with twist the knife and realized that the maintenance does not end until 2 hours

cerulean walrus
bronze pike
bleak spoke
spice spire
shadow patio
west crown
cerulean walrus
desert cove
#

yeah none of the WAs are updated yet

spice spire
#

I mean

cerulean walrus
spice spire
#

It’s also fine

drowsy hatch
#

It's over is the default situation

#

which is why it's green

bleak spoke
cerulean walrus
#

It’s always over

desert cove
#

I really hope my goat Lisonna can add the twist the knife implementation

spice spire
desert cove
#

before my raid tonight

#

🙂

gentle crown
#

I like to play with my monitor off - get a feel for real gameplay

spice spire
#

Lisonna adds and whispyr yoinks and adds

cerulean walrus
#

True true

indigo mulch
#

I'm blind so i use touch screen.

#

ez

desert cove
#

true rogue moment

cerulean walrus
spice spire
#

He already said this

#

Man said cba and I respect it

#

LE a true grustler tho

tropic cedar
#

it's called Caustic Spatter

nova aspen
#

the frost dk chat channel kek

bleak spoke
pseudo cosmos
past panther
gentle crown
#

sucide watch over there.

past panther
#

my little brother is a fdk and is already trying to doom

crystal vault
shell lodge
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hoary kernel
#

Its barely a nerf though no?>

#

likea 2% nerf?

#

for frost

cobalt sphinx
#

yeah seems like it

gentle crown
#

they believe they are "catching strays"

past panther
#

Nerfing one of the things that’s like miles ahead of a lot of classes still leaves them.. miles ahead

#

like

orchid cedar
#

how much is the arcane changes in the end?

#

will we be next in line? D:

gentle crown
#

if only they could use their frost dragon and not pull other mobs

#

dummies

hoary kernel
#

lmao there is no way that graph is real

#

....

past panther
#

almost right at over twice the representation of the 2nd most ranked class

hoary kernel
#

is it?

past panther
#

idk it’s crazy and kind of believable

cobalt sphinx
#

yeah fdk is good in keys

bleak spoke
spice spire
past panther
#

fdk is INSANE in keys

#

especially big pulls in high keys

hoary kernel
#

whack

past panther
#

breath just doesn’t stop

pseudo cosmos
#

some keys even take two fdk

gentle crown
pseudo cosmos
#

busted shit

spice spire
#

That was a Jordan graph and they’re usually pretty reliable on info

bleak spoke
#

well it does, on average at 37 seconds into the pull

keen reef
#

Can some1 send new notes?

spice spire
#

It has the addendum

hoary kernel
#

Reminds me of people complaining about caustic spatter nerf, like as a whole it turned out to be a buff

bleak spoke
#

in fact

spice spire
#

Noted as additional fdk and arcane nerfs

bleak spoke
#

breath stopping is what makes it playable in key

woven shore
#

what is 1% titel anyway

#

all +12?

gentle crown
#

when you die, blame the healer

spice spire
#

2800+?

bleak spoke
#

cuz the variations of breath where it didn't stop were completely worthless in m+

spice spire
#

I think it’s like 2859 rn

bleak spoke
spice spire
#

But don’t quote me

visual hemlock
#

NA servers live?

spice spire
#

No

past panther
#

no

woven shore
#

no

spice spire
#

2 more hours

cursive flicker
#

No

past panther
#

5pm central

visual hemlock
#

...

past panther
#

if no delays

desert cove
spice spire
#

Yeah

#

People are uh

#

Yeah

desert cove
#

like that is so insane to me

past panther
#

they go hard and fast

robust axle
#

people are 3100+ already

desert cove
#

I can barely keep up with mythic raiding

#

idk how people can push title

#

like it seems inhuman to me

past panther
#

keys are not the hard part

woven shore
#

3100 is everything +14

#

up

past panther
#

keeping a competent 5 stack with the same schedule is

woven shore
#

i believe

hoary kernel
#

Saw someone who got CE, title and glad in one season

gentle crown
kindred hinge
#

Some 3k1 in Q yeah.

dusty zenith
#

Servers up

hoary kernel
#

and I jkust assumed that they played 24/7

gentle crown
#

they play wow all day everyday

desert cove
woven shore
desert cove
#

but like how do they afford to play the game tho

spice spire
desert cove
#

boosting I guess

spice spire
dusty zenith
#

In 2 hours

spice spire
woven shore
#

motherfucker

desert cove
#

but that would mean they would also need to be pushing keys for hours on end

spice spire
#

Love u

gleaming geyser
past panther
desert cove
#

and also have the time to boost

nova aspen
#

ban that guy

gentle crown
woven shore
#

so what is this 1% thing about anyway

pseudo cosmos
#

fuck playing wow allday everyday id go insane

woven shore
#

you need 2800 io ?

bleak spoke
hoary kernel
#

theoretically do you think its possible to get title pugging?

woven shore
#

atleast 5-6 hours

bleak spoke
#

i mean it's literally been done by multiple ppl i know

woven shore
#

when off 16hours

#

xD

bleak spoke
#

i keep telling them they should play with teams

gleaming geyser
bleak spoke
#

because it's more fun

bleak spoke
#

but

#

whatever

#

some ppl just like lfg for some unholy reason

nova aspen
#

u just need an aoe stop rotation, and kick assigns

desert cove
#

yeah I'm an 8 10s for the week kind of guy

#

then all my other time goes to mythic raid