assassination

[arctic socket]

I want the priest dagger

To use

Those things are sick asf

[faint vessel]

I like the MoP class arsenal daggers

prettttty sure some of the MoPclass arsenals were designed with remastered t2 in mind

[hollow river]

I didn’t even know they had artifact daggers until I started playing one

[normal mist]

Also since we're talking about looking good:

• #1262437829150113855 Go check your fellow rogue's transmogs and leave some likes (⭐)!

[clever kindle]

ghostblades are the best dagger and its not even close

[toxic burrow]

Had to throw on the ol' Ice crown sack helm since the xmog theme tonight is Icecrown/Mawsworn nonsense. Feels weird being a sack monster again.

[hollow river]

[stray adder]

I will deny that as a way to cope for not having them

[faint vessel]

^

[clever kindle]

honestly they should have made mage tower come up again with og weapon stuff for the 20th anniversary

[toxic burrow]

Managed to get the void illusion applied to my ghost blades. I am happy with them.

[clever kindle]

as owner of all 3 rogue mage tower weapons I do not give a single shit if more people could get them

[stray adder]

I like unobtainable stuff

I would be pissed if people were able to get MoP challenge mode sets in 2024

[clever kindle]

im ok with it as a brief window in time, 20th anniversary thing

but not like, regularly

[tired gull]

i think the rarest item i have is Haunted Memento

[clever kindle]

also mage tower kinda got pretty easy by the end of it being up

I was slamming it on alts

[stray adder]

yeah it's so free

especially the rogue one

[viscid spear]

Oooh, all the talent build stuff in that pin is based on today's patch?

[tired gull]

yes

[normal mist]

SAME

[tired gull]

idek what mage tower is

[half moss]

Fangs of the father's daggers with Dark Mantle set, forever and always. Honestly those daggers are so cool I could never use any others.

[viscid spear]

I've been distracted this week

[tired gull]

big fan of fangs

[upper echo]

They should just release the mage tower appearences but with different tints

that should solve everything imo

Old tints from legion = inaccessible

new tints from new Events

[half moss]

They are honestly just so dope. Colors are great, details, they are alive.

[clever kindle]

if they werent so chunky I would use them

[tired gull]

and big! and enchant mogs look good on them

[normal mist]

And the best slow fall animation in the game

[clever kindle]

this would be ok in my book too

[half moss]

I play taurem, so they seem appropriate. What mogs you like with the daggers? Any pictures yall have? I just love the OG dark mantle but I know there are better color schemes that would go with

[viscid spear]

Is green fire for Locks still possible? Just anyone that did it when it was current got the Feat and title?

[clever kindle]

Im at work so missing my screenshots folder

[royal lantern]

youre right, blizz should remove mythic tmog and mounts after a tier is over, them being obtainable after 4+ years for others makes them less special for me

(thats a joke btw)

[normal mist]

You can still get the green fire but no title

[stray adder]

I agree with your joke

[tired gull]

hey that's actually something i got while it was current, green fire questline was so dope

[stray adder]

Remove transmog entirely

[normal mist]

No

[stray adder]

let people have red shoulders with green chest armor piece

[royal lantern]

yeha, get a life then loser

lmao

[normal mist]

I'd lose my status

[royal lantern]

pathetic

[stray adder]

🪝

[upper echo]

Either they add new appearances or add new tints to the existing ones

[royal lantern]

you know how hard it is to see if sonebody is baiting or serious

[dapper cradle]

fdks and arcane buffs on reset

[upper echo]

keep them FOMO style

[dapper cradle]

[stray adder]

nobody hates transmog dude

[upper echo]

so nobody fucking cries lmao

[normal mist]

True

[normal mist]

Also true

Pvpers like butchering Transmog actually

[stray adder]

they also like butchering UIs

[hollow river]

we make the best everything

[royal lantern]

sure grandpa, now get farmed by a 4week old feral pvp alt

[proven plinth]

Nah, original legión artifact kingsbane mah g

[twin bay]

feeling the pain in every line of the pinned message x)

[hollow river]

i'm too busy farming on my 1 week old feral alt tyvm

[sudden sigil]

I know someone answered earlier but I missed it.
Its about embelishment and archob list 2x daggers and wowhead with the thread on Armor pieves - what is the right Way to go with embe?

[limber lion]

Either is fine

[twin bay]

will you have acces to a myth track dagger anytime soon?

[limber lion]

2x Dawnthread is better in mythic+

But they're very close

[sudden sigil]

Most likely not I think

Rng Jesus you know

[thorn fjord]

Happy patch day friends

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter

Eleem about to shit on embellishments again

Listen to him

[spice surge]

Craft a mainhand dagger with your first 90 gilded crests

[sudden sigil]

Aaaaah fair

[tired gull]

hpd, now we just wait 8 hours to be able to hopefully login 😴

[spice surge]

Embellishments are whatever

[limber lion]

[stray adder]

8 hours if not extended

[clever kindle]

I think they said 8 hours to cover possible extendos

someone learned proper patch management at blizzard

you say 10 hours, finish it in 5, applause from everyone

[stray adder]

They dont have a great track record when it comes to finishing maintenances on time

[clever kindle]

say 8 hours, finish it in 8 hours 15 minutes, everyone hates you

[thorn fjord]

Mythic track skardyn in my vault today… trust

[real pike]

still fuming everyone has the thundering onyx serpent now tbh

[clever kindle]

im currently rocking a 619 ascendent serum please rng gods

[stray adder]

I don't, don't know if it helps

[worthy laurel]

So I watched Whispyrs 11.0.5 video and he is suggesting a hybrid build for M+ now.

How much do we lose if we do pure bleeds? Is it mostly in ST?

[real pike]

thanks bro feel all better now

[real pike]

this was always the recommendation

bleeds will mostly see a loss in ST yes, generally considered better for lower keys I think

[worthy laurel]

Gotcha. The talent build on wow head for M+ seems to be pretty close to pure bleeds and it's what I've been using.

[icy girder]

anyone got a good deathstalker weak aura?

[upper oak]

Do you all just cast rupture twice without swapping targets then build for indiscrimanate carnage? I find myself just struggling to get established fast

[coral ibex]

yes

[upper oak]

also in low keys things just die too, feels bad

[harsh anchor]

Sometimes I feel like being lazy and sometimes I don’t. It’s on a pull by pull basis

[thorn fjord]

All about muscle memory baby

Just build that fucker up

[worthy laurel]

It depends on number of targets to me

[thorn fjord]

More than 3 and I’ll send twice more times than not

[kindred hinge]

Do you want to minmax? Do you need to min max ?

You can do 12+ being a lazy bum so depends on what you want personnally

[molten flicker]

are you doing 2 ruptures in a row in the same target or what

[upper oak]

yeah

[merry bison]

what are the benefits of using fan in st?

[molten flicker]

but why

[upper oak]

we need 5 so it usually gives me 5

[kindred hinge]

Because during Carnage bleeds are smart. You can spam the same target and it will spread to target that will not have them

And if everyone has a bleed it will go randomly among the target

[molten flicker]

-1 since your main target already has bleeds?

[heavy canopy]

It’s technically better to manually swap to a non-Ruptured target if more than three enemies need bleeds

[kindred hinge]

Doing 2 rupture spread 5 total

[faint vessel]

technically better vs your mental capacity and swirlies and getting back to your marked target

[kindred hinge]

6 if you swap to non and the target count is 6+

[upper oak]

yeah i know its innefienct numerically

[kindred hinge]

But dps gain is minimal

[coral ibex]

doesn't matter

[faint vessel]

but really only a problem with mark on first pull

[heavy canopy]

But that requires switching between targets and back to your main target, which might not be worth

[coral ibex]

you max scent stacks with 5 ruptures

[faint vessel]

feels like thats like the biggest pull tho

[ionic fox]

I want a button to auto target your marked target. Sucks trying to find that fucker in a pack of 15 😂

[kindred hinge]

So the question is more do you want to min max, do you need to min max do you have the brain power t odo so etc

[molten flicker]

max scent stacks, ok but ruptures do a lot of dmg?

[faint vessel]

you can juggle that with macros if you're willing

[merry bison]

so you just double rupture on one target in a pull w 8+ targets, lets say its a high kick prio target and you need to interupt it

[heavy canopy]

I’m looking to make a Plater setup that makes the main target very big and prioritize clicks

[molten flicker]

I just use mouseover macros so I don't need to swap from my main target

[slow snow]

Guys just use a focus target it fixes everything..

[kindred hinge]

Someone has whysper/bot prompt for Rupture and psread ? Forgot about it

[tired gull]

same

[inland escarp]

But the minus one rupture damage!

[molten flicker]

garrote + rupture on all/mostly all if they are too many

[heavy canopy]

Doesn’t work if you actually need a focus target, say for kicks

[faint vessel]

isnt garrote on more than 5 more optimal than rupture on more than 5?

[limber lion]

Why would it be?

[slow snow]

Target your marked target.. focus the kick target. Ambush MT, Focus garrote for silence on kick target, focus rupture, rupture main target, garrote main target… finish your rotation

[faint vessel]

thought it was more damage, could be wrong

once you max SoB youd prio 8 garrotes vs 8 rupture

[limber lion]

Rupture is much better because of SoB

[kindred hinge]

I double rupture my prio target and tab for high prio kick

[faint vessel]

yeah after max SoB

obv 5 rupture

[upper oak]

but what if your rupture goes onto the kick target

[inland escarp]

Are you saying you rupture past 5?

[molten flicker]

yes

[limber lion]

You don't think about 5+ bleeds outside of IC

If you have IC, you bleed everything

[faint vessel]

plus additional garrote for Iron Wires

[limber lion]

If you don't have IC, you want to get to 5 Ruptures if possible

That's it

[faint vessel]

if I had an additional IC global, Id spend it on garrote > rupture personally

my regular group knows to hold kicks for after IC window in case I catch something 🤷‍♂️

[heavy canopy]

Why 5?

[faint vessel]

5 is max SoB

[limber lion]

Scent of Blood

[heavy canopy]

Doesn’t SoB stack 10 times?

[slow snow]

This is what I’ve been doing and it takes all the guesswork and frees up a ton of cognitive load: Pre SlicenDice ->Stealth -> set target -> set focus -> ambush MT -> garrote FT -> rupture FT -> rupture MT -> garrote MT -> mutilate MT (sets up Caustic Spatter) -> Crimson Tempest -> DM -> ER -> Envenom -> KB (keep up 100% Envenom uptime)

[limber lion]

No

Or well, it does if you have one point

But you take 2 points

So it's 4% per application

[ionic fox]

I typically just garrote my main target 3 times and rupture twice then start blasting. ☠️

[limber lion]

Up to 20%

[heavy canopy]

Ah right

[limber lion]

That's fine

[molten flicker]

is it really

[tired gull]

yes

[molten flicker]

learned something today

[faint vessel]

yes, 5 SoB and a bunch of garrotes

[limber lion]

Why wouldn't it be?

[ionic fox]

Garrote garrote rupture rupture garrote

[pseudo cosmos]

Yea it is

[limber lion]

It automatically spreads everything with Indiscriminate Carnage

[tired gull]

most of your damage is coming from spatter and ct

[faint vessel]

energy + agility + damage

[viscid spear]

Good thing I got it when it was hard

[molten flicker]

yes, I know what IC does

[faint vessel]

you cant spam for spatter damage without energy

[pseudo cosmos]

5 ruptures for 20% agi is more than enough

[molten flicker]

just thought bleed dmg is strong

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah really only gotta do 3 garrotes if you need silences on more than 5 targets

[limber lion]

That's a lot of work, I just slam one target and call it a day.

[faint vessel]

I mean lets be real

[limber lion]

It is strong

[heavy canopy]

Hmm, maybe I’ll just double cast on a single target then

[limber lion]

That's why you spread garrotes 3 times and Rupture twice in the beginning

[faint vessel]

how many of you play with tanks that are pulling significantly more than 8 targets?

[ionic fox]

So 2 ruptures on main target will get exactly 5

[slow snow]

Not if you have a focus shift modifier for each bleed and also all your cc

[faint vessel]

Im certainly not, most tanks arent willing to giga pull

[cobalt sphinx]

rupturing off-targets also doesn't cycle dsm

[slow snow]

It makes sure your kick target (focused) gets an early silence

[kindred hinge]

Key dependent tbh

[faint vessel]

ofc

[stray adder]

the mental overload is real

[heavy canopy]

Giga pulls are different though, we have Ambush and CDs up

[molten flicker]

no, I'm not doing so many mega pulls

[faint vessel]

it occurs, but its not as common as last season

[limber lion]

But what about the second Rupture

What if your main target is already Rupture'd

From the FT rupture

[inland escarp]

Bleeds are just fuel for the engine

[kindred hinge]

Naturally occuring for everyone would say Mist/ COT ?

And SV ?

[faint vessel]

bleeds are for fat agi and energy to rip envenoms and caustic

[pseudo cosmos]

And ct

[faint vessel]

^

[slow snow]

You’ll still get 5 and wont have to check all the possible mobs that dont have it

You can game it with positioning

[molten flicker]

how often should I be pressing ct?

[coral ibex]

only to refresh

[limber lion]

Right, but why wouldn't you just rip it twice on the main target then

If it doesn't matter

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[winged gust]

may i ask what does FT and MT means here?

[faint vessel]

as often as you can in 3+ targets after your IC window

[ionic fox]

Also you don’t want to spend too much time getting so many bleeds out because the frost dk will just kill it all before you caustic spatter 😂😂😂

[merry bison]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[faint vessel]

IC bleeds, get caustic & envenom buff, get CT out

[slow snow]

Focus target and main target

[pseudo cosmos]

Finally someone did the command

[faint vessel]

its the same every pull, rinse repeat

[winged gust]

tysm

[limber lion]

But yeah, if we're pulling like 3-7 mobs, just sending everything on one target is enough

[calm pond]

They’re getting buffed too. Patch team mains frost dks

[limber lion]

You'll spread Garrotes/IW on everything

And get 5 Ruptures out

[faint vessel]

If your group is doing massive pulls with 10+ target counts you're already in the headspace to manage changing targets etc

[ionic fox]

Well not when your tank chain pulls with one target left keeping you in combat eternally.

[simple yoke]

If a frost DK kills everything in a 8/9/10 before you Caustic, then they're hacking, too much health on those mobs, especially on fortify

[pseudo cosmos]

Tbh if your looking at garrotting 8 mobs for silence just go next key

[faint vessel]

yeah that hurts

[slow snow]

Having the focus target ensures an early silence on the caster mob. The focus rupture is an attempt to get 6 ruptures out it doesn’t always work but its a no guesswork the same thing every pull type of thing,

[faint vessel]

Ive gone with reminding the tank theyre safer with me stealthing

once they get cracked they usualy figure it out

[ionic fox]

lol what 😂😂😂😂😂

[winged gust]

what about kyrian btw

[faint vessel]

or when a ret or DK rips off them

[fallen pilot]

my tanks have made it a sport not letting me restealth

[slow snow]

That’s echoing reprimand i couldnt remember the name

[faint vessel]

I just link iron wire

[limber lion]

Yeah I get it, if you're used to doing that, it's fine all good

[molten flicker]

what is kurian

[ionic fox]

Also it was sorta a joke about how phat frost dks are

[winged gust]

oh lmao sadly thats changing to supercharger

[wraith burrow]

Are the suggested talent builds for each boss already updated on wowhead?

[limber lion]

Don't think so

[faint vessel]

prob not

[slow snow]

One less global 🙂

[limber lion]

You just play the one build linked in the pins on everything

basically

[simple yoke]

They're phat for sure, but like.. if they're 100% blasting befor eyou get out like 8 globals, they're doing sketchy stuff

[limber lion]

Can probs fit a CT there somewhere on some bosses

But that's about it

[faint vessel]

play pins, or if you want to sweat you can review warcraftlogs during your raid

[stray adder]

ER

[agile kestrel]

so do we get PI now?

[limber lion]

No

[thorn fjord]

Hell nah lol

[calm pond]

Feint is no longer a gcd with this upcoming patch right?

[fair coyote]

the council build has me confused, cause i think the council fight is silken court but it says to go CT

[ionic fox]

Bro, you the type that thinks everyone is hacking everywhere

[simple yoke]

Ret exists

[faint vessel]

you guys just need to play with worse DPS

our guild tried PIing our BM hunter last night on H Ansurek and eventually said fuck ti we're PIing adept and I just let em

[wraith burrow]

Referring to the single target raid, raid cleave etc. and not the ones listed under the raid discussion section?

[simple yoke]

We've interacted one, time and I addressed your exaggerated claim, and now I'm the "he's hacking guy" chill out

You exaggerated i said no effing way, that's it

[rotund oak]

yup it becomes an off-gcd button

[faint vessel]

single target raid on ST fights, raid cleave on fights with mobs that are material like brood

[molten flicker]

what does play pins mean? I don't see any talent builds in the pins of this channel?

[calm pond]

Thank god

[faint vessel]

they were, wowhead builds then

[limber lion]

There still are builds

They are the url links to the sims

You can rip the builds from there

[faint vessel]

youll be fine with whispyr's recommended builds either here or on wowhead

[limber lion]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMMmhHYAAAAAAY2glZAAAAAAottZmhZmxYmZWmlZmZMwYmZmxMb2GzAsZWGYALBLDTghFA

This is single target

[wraith burrow]

I laughed looking at logs, one fight had a sin rogue with like 6 PIs...

[faint vessel]

yeah I mean you should filter down

there's gonna be a ton of rogues with 99 parses that arent gettign PI

[simple yoke]

If he is the zooted raider in that group makes sense

But, overall yeah would be bad to PI us

[knotty rose]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[simple yoke]

If you're not getting PI, shouldn't be against ones that are XD

[molten flicker]

how do I get to the talents from the raidbots urls?

[stray adder]

just remove PI

call it a day

[molten flicker]

I tried looking for it last night

[simple yoke]

if we have the remove PI discussion we would have to have the Aug go bye bye discussion

and they're too young for that

[limber lion]

I just ripped it for you above

[faint vessel]

logs do a decent job of filtering out aug

[royal lantern]

nah, fuck aug, delete it

end of the discussion

[faint vessel]

oh remove PI completely

missed that, hah, yes

do it

[simple yoke]

They do, and it give sit back to the Augy, so overall it is better

[molten flicker]

ye I imported it, thanks but I'm mostly doing keys so more interested in that

[kind forge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cunning notch]

Assa gets buffed? Looks like they will stay top tier with dk, whi also gets buffed lol

[limber lion]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzmxsNDAAAAAAttNzM8AzMGzMzysMmZwMzYGMmZbbZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

Play this

[languid frigate]

Are you able to explain or share macros used for your MT and FT. I find there isn't much time between pack pulls, to restealth and pick out the correct mobs. Are you using mouse overs?

[limber lion]

Recent find in #1065730164077645916

[simple yoke]

I don't like that Tricks has issues with cast on focus /retarget macro stuff

[rotund oak]

the worse thing is that arcane mage gets buffed

[frank condor]

are any of the BRD raid loots any good? do we know? i see trinkets and proc weapons

[limber lion]

Not really

[faint vessel]

HoJ might be okay if you dont have something?

maybe?

[molten flicker]

is it worth playing before patch or should I wait?

[limber lion]

No, only after

[simple yoke]

what ilvl is BRD dropping though?

[molten flicker]

great thanks!

[faint vessel]

you cant play before patch so

[pseudo cosmos]

I didn’t get this buff at all apparently one of the devs is playing it so ye

[limber lion]

Glgl

[royal lantern]

because none of those changes are balance related, they revamped talents and for some specs that reulsts in a dmg gain that will get adjusted fast

plss

[faint vessel]

your only option is after rn 🙂

[royal lantern]

guys

think for 3 seconds

just for once

pls

i beg

[rotund oak]

why wonder fam,its mage,if they are stupidly strong blizzard buffs them more

coz mages

[limber lion]

lol

[pseudo cosmos]

True fuck mage

[stray adder]

mages are never bad

[molten flicker]

what u mean, patch is tomorrow

[simple yoke]

I mean, I will always vote that warlocks become fotm because cookies and closet is top tier, but that's just me

[faint vessel]

servers down rn

its today..

[rotund oak]

Its Mage and the rest of the classes,we are just chasing its shadow

[pseudo cosmos]

Name a expansion where mage has been bad

[rotund oak]

none

there is no expansion

[safe barn]

is ptr working

[limber lion]

Different timezones...

[molten flicker]

I'm playing right now, making group for m+

[royal lantern]

saying "warlock is FotM because of the warlock raid buffs" is a bit weird

[limber lion]

He's NA

[pseudo cosmos]

Exactly

[faint vessel]

ahh

[limber lion]

You're EU

[simple yoke]

I mean... I wouldn't say they were great in wrath/panda, but that's me

[faint vessel]

I forget they do that weirdness

[limber lion]

lol

[stray adder]

Thoughts on scalecommander buff?

[faint vessel]

and that EU exists

funny dragons are best

[wise whale]

WHOS READY TO BETA TESTT

[simple yoke]

I'm saying, I wouldn't mind if they were, I'm not saying they are because of it

[frank condor]

hero track

[slow snow]

Yeah i can share when I get home. Basically i have a mouseover set focus macro and sticky targeting enabled so i never lose my main target. Going into a pack I use the mouseover set focus on the caster mob and target the beefy mob. Then all of my bleeds and cc (blind, kidney, kick, shadowstep) have a shift modifier to cast on the focus target and a regular button press will cast on main target.

[frank condor]

if you do it on heroic

[simple yoke]

oh okay, so not entirely useless

[pseudo cosmos]

NA is ready to beta test step up lads

I’m waiting on eu

[simple yoke]

Gilded crests from final two bosses?? XDDDD

[stray adder]

EU gonna get a 1h maintenance tomorrow

privileged

[rotund oak]

best region just gets everyhting

u boys are smaller market

its how things are

[molten flicker]

are they fixing the flensing knives bug with patch?

[limber lion]

Don't think so

[wise whale]

no

oops sorry cev

[simple yoke]

Hot fix within 2 weeks prolly though

[wise whale]

meant to @ the homie that asked

[faint vessel]

i m ean after this buff please fix it, reel it in a bit so we dont get the big hammer

[limber lion]

No worries

DN and mark still bugged

Should probs fix that first

[languid frigate]

That sounds like a pretty decent setup. I wonder if it's possible to focus the mob marked with a certain symbol. I use the Automarker WA. So it could be a good shout to always focus the Star for example and sit on that for kicks.

[faint vessel]

we gotta tricks frost DK/arcane/ele to get rid of nerf aggro

[slow snow]

Yes that can be added into the set focus macro to mark the target with whatever symbol you’d like. I dont think you could make a macro to always focus circle or something.

[faint vessel]

also does anyone else randomly tricks an unlucky person during trash? someone in our guild got a weakaura that announces who I tricks

I was assassinating people left and right

[stray adder]

I'm happy as long as BM is bottom tier

[simple yoke]

hehehe, I've thought about doing that to our raid lead

but, never got around to it

[limber lion]

I don't even take tricks in any of my builds

Useless button

[faint vessel]

after a raid someone posted a screenshot of buff uptime during trash and showed tricks on people 😂

Its so fun

[subtle cipher]

[simple yoke]

It's much mroe fun in outlaw where it's perma for a whole dungeon, but that's a bad talent choice according to most things

fun though

[stray adder]

the fotm is real

[scenic kiln]

sub not even there LOL

despair

[faint vessel]

I tried that for a bit and it was hard to force it

[subtle cipher]

What is sub

[faint vessel]

the tnaks were too quick early in the pull

[vestal wren]

damn, all the sub rogues

probably needs a nerf after the 4% buff today

can't run wild like this

(i am joking, also did not expect that much assassiantion)

[languid frigate]

Ah yeah, it looks like the wow API might not allow you to. Would be good to hear about those other macros later when you're free though, thanks.

[nova aspen]

this proves they dont even glance at m+ performance

entirely based on raid

[dawn viper]

Casual out here inspiring the masses

[reef ravine]

do i only shiv in combination with kingsbane if i have double shiv?

or always when shiv is ready

[sacred schooner]

they will nerf if can find one

[rotund oak]

with 2 stacks of shiv u cover all KB yes

[reef ravine]

kk thanks!

[rotund oak]

you are welcome fam

[simple yoke]

Shiv before, KB, then shiv to finish timer

[pseudo cosmos]

Bruh frost dk needs looking at I’m sure it’s all sindrigosa

[simple yoke]

I was confused but after videos and reading all the buttons it makes much mroe sence

Thistle tea before KB if you can as well, free mastery is always a win

[reef ravine]

i thought thistle tea after KB?

[buoyant schooner]

and with only 1 shiv? save for kb always?

[rotund oak]

frost dk pumps and facetanks stuff

[simple yoke]

it's dynamic so before or after both should be fine

far as I know

[reef ravine]

ahh k

[faint vessel]

with 1 shiv you can use it off CD because it'll be shiv for last part of KB, then shiv 30s later

[stray adder]

isn't tea going to be harder to manage after today's patch though?

[subtle cipher]

No

[faint vessel]

burn the charge in between KBs for more damage, its back up by the time you're in KB window

[agile kestrel]

as sin in m+ I usually gap frost DK in overall. it's all breath for sure. They do like 1 billion DPS on big pulls then do nothing outside of breaths.

[ebon mortar]

You guys think with the double envenom we will be a contender for PI again?

[simple yoke]

I'm not settled on it being harder, just don't mutilate at 75 energy if you need it for KB?

Should be getting enough passive energy from free snd and everything else now

4 second window to take a what 15 second buff? Doubtful

[pseudo cosmos]

Snd was basically a passive as it is

[agile kestrel]

no

[simple yoke]

It was, but now we're pretty much guarenteed to never not have it

[molten echo]

Nice QoL to not have to press it in the initial pull of the dungeon atleast

[simple yoke]

so, energy regen is perma up, with that and vigor, and I think overall whispyr was saying energy is flying at us now, spec got faster

[subtle cipher]

I mean, pressing 1 time per dungeon/ pull

Kinda w/e

[faint vessel]

no SnD press and no pressing ER?

stonks

[stray adder]

-2 gcd W shit

[subtle cipher]

3

[simple yoke]

yeah 2 free globals in opener, and 6-8 free globals in boss fights

[inland escarp]

ER was a nice cheap builder though 🥲

[simple yoke]

not a L at all

[subtle cipher]

Feint

[faint vessel]

feint off GCD

[molten echo]

Kinda, but specifically first pull of mists it has always felt clunky to me to use a gcd on it

You just wanna start pumping

[pseudo cosmos]

Er is baked into Shiv tho as empowerd or whatever it’s called

[faint vessel]

damage buffs are sweet, but these QoL changes are chefs kiss

[subtle cipher]

Tru

[simple yoke]

Always pump forget SnD, it's coming off my bar immediately

Can't wait to log in

[tired gull]

gonna miss ER, the dopamine hit when you have dn and land on one next global is

[pseudo cosmos]

Ye straight to dummy & aura updates

[scarlet meadow]

You guys think we will go back to the no crimson tempest m+ build from Dragonflight for high keys again?

[chrome blaze]

is there any thinking required for fatebound? i havent tried it yet

[subtle cipher]

Yeah, indeed

[subtle cipher]

Nah

[pseudo cosmos]

Nah ct does way to much dps and overall in general

[molten echo]

Doubtful, CT is so big

[subtle cipher]

Not having to deal with funky deathstalker is a big win

[faint vessel]

and every key is fort and tyrannical, so theres always big packs. our prio damage is already so strong with hybrid

[simple yoke]

3rd bleed, and it plus the AoE shiv talent... soooo much damage

[scarlet meadow]

It’s scaling got nerfed 50% ish though was my concern

[pseudo cosmos]

Still not enough to not run it

[hexed canopy]

!crafts

[iron valve]

CT didn't get nerfed, tooltip got updated

[hexed canopy]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[faint vessel]

yeah but abusing shadowstep CD for some fights is so good

I like the novelty of back-to-back step but not having reduced step CD feels foreign now

[subtle cipher]

Indeed, but on some bosses is kinda wonky, first cot boss you need a vanish, on second Gb boss sometimes it doesnt apply even after vanish, and if you lose it, its gg

Such a bad design

Messed up to apply it, bye bye dmg till restealth/vanish cd

[faint vessel]

ive somehow managed to get mark on that boss recently in CoT

[oblique smelt]

Fatebound might be worse in that it's more and rng is never super fun, but i can't wait to not have to worry about it not refreshing

[faint vessel]

I thought I couldnt do it ever but suddenly it works

[oblique smelt]

Deathstalker that is

[subtle cipher]

Plus fatebound has the dopamine hit

Deathstalker boring

[slim pebble]

All of our hero talents kinda suck

[tired gull]

deathstalker has the ultra juicer venoms tho

[faint vessel]

ELI5 the fatebound dopamine hit

[slim pebble]

Playing my DK Alt and seeing the stuff thematically is so cool

[tidal cloud]

guys, can someone share pls good Plater profile for assa please 🙏

[faint vessel]

I just hit buttons if I play it

[slim pebble]

!wa

[faint vessel]

I dont know how to min/max it at all

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[little tulip]

also auto drinking at 30 energy sounds like a nice qol change

[tidal cloud]

thx a lot

[little tulip]

if it's 30% that's kinda griefy but they probably mean 30/300 energy

[fierce wind]

You need a turnip my friend. Or just pull those three spiteclaws for slice before the dungeon

[arctic socket]

It says

30 energy

Not %

[oblique smelt]

https://wago.io/PerclknQY I'm using this one, really like this, it has highlights for prio target so it's easy to see which ones are good targets for you to funnel in to

[little tulip]

yeah seems user friendly, took pot off shift f2 and put it on f2 for similar reasons

[arctic socket]

I put feint on my old ER keybind

Pinned

[faint vessel]

my feint was already on a 'better' keybind than ER for me

feint is life

[subtle cipher]

Feint is bad

[tired gull]

feint is on F (for obvious reasons)

[little tulip]

shift e and shift mw down, shift q is rogue pot

[subtle cipher]

Let your healers work

[arctic socket]

My old feint keybind was shift j

[subtle cipher]

[arctic socket]

It’s now g

[arctic socket]

That key is for flash

[subtle cipher]

Feint on shift f

[tired gull]

cloak

[little tulip]

some of you got spider fingers lol

[subtle cipher]

Shift 8

[faint vessel]

didnt you say youre using F2?!

[autumn rover]

Oh god a league player lol

[arctic socket]

Your cloak and evasion isn’t shift r / t

[little tulip]

yeah

[hollow stone]

Nope, D is for “Da flash”

[little tulip]

[tired gull]

shift r is rupture

[faint vessel]

R for rupture for me

it just makes sense

[subtle cipher]

Rupter is 3

[tired gull]

mut is 3

[subtle cipher]

R is envenom

[arctic socket]

Rupture is r

[faint vessel]

confession: my 3 key is completely clear atm on sin

[viscid spear]

Reptar is a dinosaur

[little tulip]

garrote 1 rupture 2 trink 3 envenom 4

[subtle cipher]

Actually mut r and envenom 2

[arctic socket]

3 is for envenom

[tired gull]

shift t is sprinT

[faint vessel]

I moved kidney after years and didnt put anything back there

[little tulip]

c is not bound to anything

[viscid spear]

3 is my interrupt on every class that has one

[little tulip]

crushin lol

[subtle cipher]

Kidney shift 7

[arctic socket]

C is for my character menu

[faint vessel]

G is my interrupt for every class

[tired gull]

c is fok, shift c is ct

[chrome blaze]

Mut 1 env 2 rup 3 gar 4

[subtle cipher]

Interrupt = Q

[arctic socket]

Fok is 6

[faint vessel]

F for primary movement ability

[autumn rover]

Ewwww you dont have a trink macro?

[lean plover]

C is i sprint

[tired gull]

for cleave of course

[pseudo cosmos]

Kick is R for me

[calm grail]

Is the current APL up to date with the new patch?

[rotund oak]

r is universally for all interrupts across all characters 😛

[tired gull]

wrong reply 😦

[tired gull]

that's what e is for

[little tulip]

i've heard those are sub optimal

[arctic socket]

If you’re using transmitter you don’t want to bind it with deathmark

[serene wyvern]

heya, i am using atrocity ui, but it there any method to chage the wa for rupture to track how many targets do i have with rupture? or how many stacks of scent of blood do i have

[arctic socket]

Gotta get the most uptime

[faint vessel]

if youre using skardyns macro that shit

[simple yoke]

Kick is Shift3 for me lol

[serene wyvern]

right on the wa, not create a new one

[arctic socket]

My kick is on 5

For every thing I play

[karmic dawn]

Interrupts go on F

[arctic socket]

I don’t have sprint keybinded tho

I press it

[pseudo cosmos]

Actually kick is on 5. And kidney is R

[sudden swan]

My man

[arctic socket]

Same with my health potion

[little tulip]

oh speaking of mastery, how does skardyns work on bleeds already applied

[faint vessel]

there is, id suggest searching some WA guides and then browsing through the Create option

[arctic socket]

Not vial

[golden ginkgo]

Wait you guys don't click everything?

[little tulip]

does the next tic just get fatter?

[faint vessel]

youll have to add a buff and asign triggers

[viscid spear]

Based clicker like me

[onyx linden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

im using ''e'' for gouge/''shft-e'' focus gouge/''Alt-e'' lockpick

[simple yoke]

I like this question, also super curious

[limber lion]

It will be once Raidbots pushes the update

[serene wyvern]

i saw that zero has it, prob i will try to adapt to my existing wa

[calm grail]

I meant are they on the SimC github

[limber lion]

Mastery is dynamic, it just increases the damage of the bleeds etc. for its duration

[limber lion]

Yes

[faint vessel]

yeah a handful of the WAs in !wa do, it's not the hardest thing to add but I gave up and just used one of theirs

[thorn fjord]

4 button on naga baby

[arctic socket]

I refuse to keybind it just so I can say I click ability’s

[arctic socket]

Is the 12 button one

[serene wyvern]

thnx man

[arctic socket]

Having small thumbs is bis

[stray adder]

someone requested it and that was the official response from one of the ui dev

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I have all 12 bound and the top two bound

I’ve got waaaay too many keybinds tho

[faint vessel]

you could also try grabbing the WA from one of those packs and copying it into your existing HUD (e.x. open the dynamic group and snag the rupture WA)

depending on the rest of the group ymmv

[gloomy mason]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slow snow]

Ok so all my bleeds and cc(kick, blind, kidney, cheap, and shadowstep) have this macro:
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [mod:shift,@focus] Kick; [nomod,@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead][]Kick

It will cast on mouseover if mouseover, cast on target if no mouseover, cast on focus if pressing shift.

[thorn fjord]

Love that reply lol

[slow snow]

I couldnt get into the game so checking my actual macros isnt possible

[coral ibex]

this is what i did

also i expect an update for atrocityui on monday

[languid frigate]

Ah no worries, that looks great. I will have to adjust some bars when i'm home with ER and SND gone now, so will have some more room for setting focus targets too.

[limber lion]

based

[stray adder]

Yeah he cooked lol

[visual hemlock]

Anyone knows if NA servers are on?

[quasi stump]

Its an 8 hour maint

I doubt it

[visual hemlock]

Yikes

[viscid spear]

3pm PST my dood

[quasi stump]

Why couldnt they have done the maint like

Late last night

[viscid spear]

Too busy ruining Frost Mage

(Their tier set is garbage now)

[slow snow]

they are humans with jobs who work normal hours

[viscid spear]

Their job is this game though.

[coral ibex]

did you know you can hire people who live in different timezones

[visual hemlock]

Wanted to see who got what in their vaults

[stray adder]

this whole maintenance drama could be solved by moving the great vault to mondays

lmao

nobody would give a f

take the whole day if you want

[slow snow]

not if they need ppl on site to work on the servers and game

[viscid spear]

Not a Skardyn's Grace for me, that's for sure.

[simple yoke]

I doubt they've needed on site before for almost 4 years now

[slow snow]

take the day off focus on irl stuff get your chores done be ready to game

[simple yoke]

Most maintenance like this can be done super remotely

[green nebula]

Skarydn doesn’t exist

[coral ibex]

do you think they gotta hammer the physical servers or something boss

[simple yoke]

Amen, but if it's in my vault. I'm praying to soemthing

[slate crown]

Yes, add a trigger to rupture for the Scent of Blood aura on you, then use %4.s (where 4 is the trigger number) in a new text element to tell you your number of stacks.

[coral ibex]

screw in the new patch

[slow snow]

yes im so out of touch its a bunch of monkeys hittin the servers with sticks in my head

[viscid spear]

Gonna have to bribe guildies for GB keys

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-computer-zoolander-computer-gif-16361698950246526031

[green nebula]

The problem is that the loot pool in GB is massive

[coral ibex]

ok so why would you think you need to physically be near the servers? its american employees working at normal american hours doing maintenance for EU servers

[green nebula]

Kinda blows

[stray adder]

you would think we'd have bad luck protection in 2024

too much to ask

[coral ibex]

or do you think the EU servers are visited in the middle of the night by blizz employees from america every week

[slow snow]

its a corporate environment, they need decision makers and management to help when things go wrong.

[chrome blaze]

bad luck protections reduced subs, probably

[drowsy hatch]

Doesn't EU use server gnomes for maint?

[dapper cradle]

servers up yet?

[stray adder]

as much as farming GB 50 times and not getting the trinket you think?

[chrome blaze]

i mean youre still subbed right

[viscid spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/1213871410733129768/20240302_160904.png?ex=65f70cd8&is=65e497d8&hm=3939b030b95d7ab778e84362c6eb120f9462bdf0fa2af22ca3933f54e2e14a26&

[coral ibex]

outlaw loot spec for gb is tech

remove the dagger from the pool

[stray adder]

yeah but my friend's brother works at blizz so i get free 1-year subs

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/ion-hazzikostas-world-of-warcraft-edict-wow-gif-26273936

they should do 1 bullion per season

[little tulip]

murloc onesie's only 10 dollars

._.

[patent igloo]

We should all stop chasing pixels and move on with our lives

[tired gull]

what are those coin things from vault? give you a socket or something?

should make it where if you have enough coins, you can just pick an item you want

[stray adder]

you do you bud

[patent igloo]

Nice name btw lol

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/no-waifu-no-laifu-chuunibyou-demo-koi-ga-shitai-manga-anime-japanese-manga-gif-5626856

[chrome mirage]

So whats everybody gonna use their SnD hotkey for after the patch?

[stray adder]

a toy probably

[patent igloo]

Group disband

[thorn fjord]

/quit macro

[patent igloo]

Macro’d w/ drums

[gusty estuary]

misdirect to top dps

[chrome mirage]

/train

[little tulip]

not taking snd off z

not ever

[coral ibex]

what keybind are you all reclaiming

mine was on 1

[stray adder]

snd on 1 is crazy work buddy

[chrome mirage]

Alt+ i is mine

[thorn fjord]

Alt 4 for me

[gusty estuary]

F

[stray adder]

shift + F

[limber lion]

3

gg's

[patent igloo]

V

[coral ibex]

1 isn't a big prio keybind for me

[thorn fjord]

No clue what I’m going to put there

[coral ibex]

primary rotation is on QERTF

[thorn fjord]

1 is mutilate lol

[little tulip]

it made sense on outlaw cause you could use it to get restless blades to proc on something more useful

but yeah rip

[limber lion]

Also previously to maintain Alacrity

Or before CTTC was introduced in 9.0.5

[coral ibex]

q is mut, e is garrote, r is rupture, f is envenom, t is fok

[tranquil birch]

After many years my push to talk goes to back on my mouse where it belongs

[chilly pecan]

Is Pyrite Infuser worth using ?

[viscid spear]

Do we have to cast SnD at all or does Cut To The Chase actually grant it from nothing?

[limber lion]

Yes

Slice is not a button anymore

[stray adder]

keybinds? I just click stuff

[limber lion]

You get it from Envenom

[little tulip]

yeah its donzeo

[viscid spear]

Oh it's not even an ability?

[limber lion]

Nope

Entirely passive

[viscid spear]

[drowsy hatch]

It is an ability still just pointless to ever hit

So remove it

[real pike]

wait for real

[stray adder]

they didnt remove

[real pike]

yessss it's staying on my bar for sure

[stray adder]

they changed cut to the chase

but its still there

[chrome blaze]

it gets auto applied when you hit a finisher i think

[limber lion]

Ya'll are demons

[real pike]

would feel wrong not to see it on a bar

[limber lion]

Just take it off the bars

[dapper halo]

[stray adder]

it's a dream come true fr fr

[real pike]

nah it's staying right where it is in prime position on 3

[stray adder]

W shit

[drowsy hatch]

lmao mine was on 3 too

[limber lion]

Good choice.

Mine was on 3 as well.

[jolly robin]

why on 3 when you press it once every few minutes

[tranquil birch]

Opener is going to feel SOO much cleaner without ER and SnD buttons

[limber lion]

Because previously you didn't.

[real pike]

it's from my old school days of SS 1, Gouge 2, SnD3, Rup 4, Evis 5

[coral ibex]

judge me

[drowsy hatch]

Just a holdover when you didn't press it once a fight

[dapper halo]

good riddance for snd

[limber lion]

I had to press it once every 30s or whatever in the past

[real pike]

I just changed SS to Muti and Gouge to Ambush

[limber lion]

I ain't changing keybinds just because it's redundant now

[jolly robin]

need that thing on an infrequent key bind, I had Ctrl 1

[real pike]

don't think I could ever change at this point, it's too ingrained

[green nebula]

Does anyone know exactly what the subterfuge change does? Wording is confusing

[limber lion]

What is confusing about it?

[drowsy hatch]

I didn't really need the extra easy access button

[bright charm]

SnD on f4 🙂

[limber lion]

You get stealth benefits, like Master Assassin, for the entire duration of it and then again after it

[real pike]

extends existing effects rather than being its own

[limber lion]

So you get 12s of Master Assassin

Or 12s of Iron Wire

Very sick

[little tulip]

you know probably poisoned throwing knife would be good replacement

but i'd keep it on my bars just incase, weirder things have happened

[green nebula]

Ah thanks

[limber lion]

Np

[green nebula]

12s of iron wire in keys is pretty baller

[limber lion]

Yup

[drowsy hatch]

Bars are gonna look mighty empty now

[stray adder]

BM hunter type shit

[limber lion]

No clue what to put on E though

Where ER was

[half tartan]

I have focus mouseover LOL

on E now use to be blindside

[limber lion]

Blindside?

You mean Ambush?

[real pike]

E for echoing reprimand, guess that needs changing

and Q for kingsbane

[half tartan]

Well, yeah

[white lance]

qingsbane

[maiden sierra]

are there any interesting items from the new raid?

[dapper cradle]

Blindside should turn your screen black for the immersion

[limber lion]

Timewalking? No.

[drowsy hatch]

Nah nothing good

[green nebula]

The SnD change is my favorite

[upper echo]

jup

[maiden sierra]

not timewalking, the aniversary event

[limber lion]

Right

Still no

[drowsy hatch]

Nothing out of BRD still

[upper echo]

it was so fucking annoying to add it to the rotation

[bright charm]

didnt know having ER on E and kingsbane on Q was so universal

[half tartan]

In keys when people get pissed cause you ask for CPs

[drowsy hatch]

My KB is 5 and ER is Shift-1

Or, was

[bright charm]

HANK

[royal lodge]

Even proc dagger in OH doesnt compete with on-par ilvl? Strange

[real pike]

oh no

[tacit mauve]

Do we get slice and dice on any finisher or just envenom?

[jaunty hill]

Wait can we slice and dice completly throw in our book?

[limber lion]

Envenom

[cunning grove]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallow canopy]

sorry if it has been asked a million times but with the new build do we move away from pooling into a more spammy way of playing?

or its the same?

[limber lion]

Sure

We don't really pool that much currently honestly

But even less so with TTK

[fallow canopy]

I see, thanks!

[half tartan]

Lol I just reread that

[limber lion]

You just wanna have energy ready for KB windows and that's it

[forest nacelle]

don't we pool when we hit like enough energy that you can't do anything at all?

[limber lion]

Otherwise just send all the time

lol

[limber lion]

What does this sentence even mean lol

[forest nacelle]

i mean when you hit 0 energy

[dawn heath]

not like this

[limber lion]

Currently the only "pooling" that you wanna do

is staying above 30 energy

[tranquil birch]

It'll probably feel more spammy though with the big apm increase

[limber lion]

so you don't proc tea

[forest nacelle]

yeah thats what i meant

[limber lion]

or if you don't care about 0.2%, then you don't even do that

It's fine to be out of energy

[upper echo]

was just about to ask

[real pike]

so we don't pool to 70%ish if we drop envenom any more?

[gusty estuary]

Brann?

[upper echo]

I'm not gonna care about that .2%

[limber lion]

We haven't done this entire patch

So yeah no

That was a thing with the actual 4p in Dragonflight

[real pike]

oh

[limber lion]

Because it was so strong

and you wanted to chain

We don't care about chaining anymore

[real pike]

I thought it was still a thing when the baked it into talents

[tacit mauve]

Wowhead guide mentions it

[limber lion]

We only care about uptime

[real pike]

well shit

[limber lion]

It was, but the version is super washed out and poor

[real pike]

I've been playing an xpac behind this whole time

[limber lion]

You don't really care about it if you play it

[forest nacelle]

i literally took a nap, woke up, and made this sentance, im so groggy, i blame blizz.

[limber lion]

Just maximum uptime

chains or not

you're chilling

[real pike]

noice

so in which case you do just spam on low energy and just pool for kB

goddamn my life could have been so much easier this tier

[limber lion]

Well, you basically just spam all the time

But you have to still play a bit clever and pool sometimes

If Rupture is about to fall off or whatever

you want to preemptively think about it and get to high cp for it before it hits pandemic

[real pike]

but surely pooling to pandemic envenom leads to longer overall envenom uptime because you won't run out of energy as much?

[limber lion]

You don't want to be at 0 energy, 0 tea charges and 7s of Rupture remaining

[limber lion]

What

[half tartan]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

I mean yeah

If you don't clip it

But clipping with the new TTK is pretty hard

[half moss]

Omg combat I've been doing the same thing, pooling

[limber lion]

You'd have to send 3 Envenoms back to back to back

[real pike]

I thought this was current i.e. before 10.0.5 or whatever it is

[limber lion]

And getting to 5+ cp everytime between each cast

[real pike]

my bad

[upper echo]

so when should you pool energy?

[real pike]

NEVER

(tbc)

[upper echo]

ok

[limber lion]

Yeah, more uptime is either letting Envenom drop or reapplying it during pandemic

You do not spam

In the next version it's fine to spam

[half moss]

So pooling is no go, and same with chaining to keep envenom chains? I have all 90+ heroic parses and have been playing wrong apparently

[real pike]

yeah we're on the same page, I was just reading in a funny accent

nice nice

[upper echo]

so I don't need to change anything about the way I play rn

[limber lion]

No, pooling is always fine, there's no harm in pooling

But there's really not much to gain from it either

[half tartan]

What are we gonna do without slice and dice button, they stole our class identity

[limber lion]

You can spam or pool, it's gonna be the same output anyways

[cyan dew]

Guys english is not my main language and reading what whyspir said on pins, looks like our talent build for ST changed, but our roation didn't, right?

[limber lion]

Yes

Rotation is the same

but you can spam more

yay

[cyan dew]

yayyy

[upper echo]

ahahahh

[cyan dew]

ty Cev

[limber lion]

np

[normal mist]

We monkey brain now

We press zugzug

[upper echo]

always have been

[strange python]

aoe changed?

[limber lion]

No

[half moss]

For sure thanks for clarification

[real pike]

I'm unironically disappointed about this

[limber lion]

Np

[upper echo]

why I hated it

[stray adder]

that is a hot take

[limber lion]

I'm disappointed that it took them 6 years to finally get rid of it

"unpruning" my ass

in Shadowlands

[bright charm]

yeah it was just a nothing button you pressed at the start of the fight and that was it

[real pike]

I've played since TBC, it's such a core part of rogue for me I'm a bit sad to see it go

[limber lion]

BFA was a better expansion than anything that followed it because Slice was reintroduced in SL

Maybe TWW can take over now

[normal mist]

[stray adder]

you are a mad man combat

[upper echo]

yeah but they can add something else instead imo

[limber lion]

It was removed in WoD though

[bright charm]

gotta be

[real pike]

yeah sod was hugely enjoyable for me

[limber lion]

Was gone for like 3 expansions

[upper echo]

yeah no this gotta be bait

[real pike]

I took a break between whatever had Highmaul and Dragonflight

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[bright charm]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-gif-26178840

[stray adder]

SnD has been a burden for rogues since the beginning of time

[half tartan]

Do you guys know if Enhance is nerf, buff, or neutral?

IK they are bugged

[real pike]

when your opinions are so regarded everyone thinks you're trolling 😭

[placid adder]

dw snd will retturn in last xp of saga

[stray adder]

I mean there is just no way bro

[bright charm]

just to be clear i understand your wrong opinion

[real pike]

I still play on a wotlk pserver and enjoy the juggling of snd/rup

[normal mist]

Must be fun being an auto attack melee

[upper echo]

I mean at this point it was an "active it once, it will stay up" ah spell

it didn't add any depth to the class / spec

[real pike]

old Killing Spree gives me satisfaction it's hard to find in the modern game I can't lie

stunned everyone into silence with my objectively incorrect opinions kek

[faint vessel]

this was my complaint to friends and for why to just make it auto cast

[half tartan]

assassin should get death from above now

class fantasy

[faint vessel]

theres no maintenance to a buff that i only have to press once

if I had to think about pressing it EVER after once, sure

[bright charm]

was playing my outlaw the other day and made the terrible mistake of using killing spree on Dawnbreaker i can't believe i made such a rookie movie i'm never going to live it down my guild members will certainly never let me live it down

[real pike]

sometimes it dropped in m+ when the rest of the group wiped or something

[upper echo]

Idk it ruins the momentum

[faint vessel]

admittedly yes, but thats also gapping all buffs etc. 'maintenance' window over

[upper echo]

Like on outlaw it felt so unnecessary and I couldn't active it when I got a proc spree

anyways I'm glad it's gone

leaves room to add more cool shit

Like Slice and dice

[winged sun]

Guys

[upper echo]

loved that shit

[winged sun]

Can someone explain how shiv is good in aoe?

Or is it only st

[limber lion]

With AP

Or if you wanna do big prio damage

that's it

[winged sun]

Whats AP

[half tartan]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6AtP7Hyd-r4KLVh1-RsnHmASdh9t_1LN7A_GQoa8t-I/%3Fformat%3Djpg%26name%3Dsmall/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/Gado7X9XQAASbE_?format=webp

[limber lion]

Arterial Precision

[stark halo]

Anyone know if BRD heroic raid Trinkets are going to sim better than Sacbrood/Skardyns, or if any meta breaking items are coming to us that we can use? Or is it just another catch up mechanism

[winged sun]

So it has nothing to do with aoe even with caustic spatter?

[limber lion]

Catch up

[winged sun]

Interesting

[limber lion]

Nothing good

[limber lion]

No

Caustic Spatter does not work with Shiv like that

[coral ibex]

nothing in brd has mastery bc mastery wasnt a stat in classic

[little tulip]

there's another wrathstone in the brd loot table that might be interesting

[winged sun]

Kingsbane/deathmark is aoe tho ye?

[coral ibex]

so brd loot largely sucks

[coral ibex]

source? none of these are on use +stat

[bright charm]

yeah i think this is true and real

[little tulip]

was just looking yeah

sadge

[broken aspen]

Assa m+ S Tier ?

[stray adder]

of course

[molten echo]

Foshoe

[little tulip]

barman's shanker is looking kinda cute tho

[half tartan]

do yall play cheat death whomever does high dungeons

[gusty lichen]

How many people are switching to Dracthyr? Is it even a discussion?

[bleak spoke]

Looked okayish in pure single

[stray adder]

if you wanna be a goofy looking gecko go for it

nobody is stopping you

[bright charm]

i know many scalies who are switching to Dracthyr yes

[bleak spoke]

Why are we trying to make the only easy transmitter task hard

By switching to dracthyr

[kindred hinge]

Did not switch to dwarf will not do to Dracktyr. I love having no meaninful oassive to think about

[little tulip]

we're just behind ret in aoe from what i saw on youtube at least in m+
https://youtu.be/t9abK05miTQ?si=wpVnu5jI5ZOicxcn&t=471

[deep gyro]

Loll facts

[little tulip]

more st probably goo

[spring moat]

Well, the Factorio expansion dropped. Time to start raid logging again. Lol

[kindred hinge]

What your range for high dj?

[half tartan]

Idk where stuff starts one shotting you

13s?

[pliant grail]

are NA servers up ?

[kindred hinge]

From 12s it is better to run elusiveness instead

[stray adder]

its an 8 hours maint

minimum