assassination

[spice surge]

Idk wouldnt say that theyre dogshit

[soft shale]

when all NPCs are the size of my screen

fml

[bleak spoke]

if i'm never pulled/dragged/sucked by a boss mechanic again, i would consider the game improved

[marble hemlock]

ovinax didnt need to be a 10 minute fight

[sullen hollow]

i think both ovinax and silken myth was fun

[mighty crown]

silken dps check is actually nonexistant

[soft shale]

i died to swirlies yday on a kill because 4 stacked BELOW an egg and the boss

[marble hemlock]

neither did silken, fwiw

[mighty crown]

its mechanical check to the max

[soft shale]

yea baits dispels getting the webs

[subtle tundra]

then why was i benched as an assa rogue, check mate

[sour oasis]

so my us friend

[marble hemlock]

kyveza is alright but just tuned too unforgiving

[sour oasis]

how is your vault

[pseudo cosmos]

Only fun boss is queen imo

[sullen hollow]

just get freedom as rogue

mechanic basically doesnt exist

[soft shale]

wrong boss

[sullen hollow]

webs

[mighty crown]

💀

[spice surge]

I was dead the entire fight almost 💀

[bleak spoke]

the duality of eleem

[marble hemlock]

hope you check regularly until theres 8 more parses

[sour oasis]

Or it's not the time for US ?

[mighty crown]

@spice surge

[soft shale]

dont worry i will get there in some weeks

[spice surge]

Blue brothers put a triple orb for me

[mighty crown]

[marble hemlock]

they have 8hr maintenance

[half moss]

Hey all, besides whispyr, any other creators make a video about rogue changes this patch? Can only find one.

[sour oasis]

krkrkrrkrkrkr

[soft shale]

the shroedinger 0

[sour oasis]

8 hours ????

[soft shale]

lovce those

[sour oasis]

we will get it in europe too no ?

[soft shale]

i do but i only cover sub

[marble hemlock]

doubt it

[soft shale]

unlucky

[royal lantern]

as somebody with color weakness

no, fuck ovinax, and whoever thought the fight visuals are OK can go fuck themself and never work on anything again

[marble hemlock]

EU maintenance is typically a lot shorter than NA

[soft shale]

yea usually we gamin at like 5

[sour oasis]

how can we explain it ?

[weak hearth]

Shivz

[soft shale]

instead of 11+ like NA

[sullen hollow]

what boss is this

[spice surge]

[mighty crown]

ansurek m

[sour oasis]

it's a big huge difference

[mighty crown]

i died

[half moss]

Ty

[sullen hollow]

damn

[marble hemlock]

they need time to setup and test things, and once theyve done so successfuly they know what to do for EU?

[bleak spoke]

a fun little gift that made it past the metal detectors

[soft shale]

makes sense NA is beta test server

[subtle tundra]

ansurek feels like the hardest boss ive ever played

[soft shale]

i have seen some terrorist 4 orbers

[marble hemlock]

deploying something successfully the first time takes a lot of time and sometimes trial and error. once youve done that once, you can easily do it again without much issue

[sullen hollow]

is that log from today?

[vocal cypress]

voidreapers+treacherous simming over voidreapers skardyns o.O

[soft shale]

ansurek is sarkareth

but there are also mechanics

[mighty crown]

nah yday

[soft shale]

apart from ball busting dmg

[subtle tundra]

sarkareth has 0 mechanics in comparison

[mighty crown]

ansurek =

sark =

[soft shale]

i mean pre nerf nerf i had my hand on pot

[mighty crown]

[warm vortex]

First 10 i did with fatebound

[subtle tundra]

i have had 0 kbs parried

in 200 pulls or whatever

[shadow patio]

Which dungeon

[subtle tundra]

so uh

skill issue?

[marble hemlock]

on sarkareth?

i doubt it

[subtle tundra]

ah

[marble hemlock]

that fucker was looking at the raid

[subtle tundra]

i thought it was queen

[marble hemlock]

for all of p2

[soft shale]

sark could parry while casting or moving sideways

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[warm vortex]

SoB with 1 wipe

[marble hemlock]

nah

sark can suck my nuts

cuz you had to look at that fucker for all of p2 and most of p3

[mighty crown]

kingbane being parryable is

the dumbest thing

[soft shale]

etraeus did that too

fucker was casting to the tank

[marble hemlock]

thematic and fitting game design?

[hardy dagger]

delete parry 🙂

[mighty crown]

delete parry add positionals

[soft shale]

then the mad man just looks my way and parries my shadowstrike

[mighty crown]

[hardy dagger]

2004 lookin ass mechanic

[soft shale]

become trickster

embrace sub

no parry in town

[subtle tundra]

i love that ct is parryable. seems so out of pocket

[soft shale]

just keep details on always show me

[spice surge]

Ye just have a sub in your raid for parry removal

[soft shale]

team player

yea

[spice surge]

How hard could it be to find a sub rogue

[soft shale]

a bit hard

[hardy dagger]

1min cd getting parryd

[hollow cedar]

love when that happens

[mighty crown]

tomorrow? impossible

[soft shale]

we are the kakapos

[bleak spoke]

what's the crit rate like on your fok

must be so pleasant tbh

[warm vortex]

No idea

[subtle tundra]

imagine getting cp from your foks...

[warm vortex]

but just for ref i have 30% (12K) crit

so it feels nice

[bleak spoke]

can click your line in details and it'll show

in the dmg breakdown

[calm grail]

I'm real excited for feint to be off the GCD

[warm vortex]

i keep getting 2cp mutilate which pisses me off >:(

[fallen arch]

This assa rogue population is insane

Never seen it this high

[soft shale]

assa is good

[fallen arch]

Fotm rerollers

[subtle tundra]

woah spec is tuned high -> popular

[soft shale]

some people are rerolling because they dont have rogues on roster

[subtle tundra]

woah

[calm grail]

I don't want to brag but, I've been a rogue since Wrath. AMA.

[subtle tundra]

and assa being good in m+ also means people reroll for that

[fallen arch]

Ye

[calm grail]

I swapped to Outlaw in BFA though cause I got bullied for being sin.

[fallen arch]

Prob main reason

[calm grail]

So this feels REAL good.

[shadow patio]

Yeah but you’re a fate bound rogue now so does it even count?

[calm grail]

I'm not REALLY fatebound.

[grim jay]

Id rather get bullied

[fallen arch]

Now they’re finding out ppl still hate rogues and wont get invites

[tired gull]

Vanilla for me

[calm grail]

I just don't like non CP classes.

Monk was the only other one I enjoyed

slightly

[warm vortex]

I was playing sub, disliked it this season, played assa, enjoy it more, and do better on it too

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/z4vfb7j.jpeg nah like, this screen

[quiet oar]

Wait the no parry is for the whole raid?

[soft shale]

yes

[sullen hollow]

agreed

[quiet oar]

So its basically a raidbuff?

[spice surge]

I mean ye but it sucks ass

[sullen hollow]

also @mighty crown did u try assa on m ansurek yet

[soft shale]

kinda but only tanks really benefit a lot from it

[sullen hollow]

i wanna play it, but is it grief

[quiet oar]

Well kyveza would like to talk to you

[bleak spoke]

depending on your tanks, all your melee might benefit form it

[mighty crown]

no ill play it tmrw tho

you will grief p2 for sure

zdps

[sullen hollow]

we had our first 4 pulls on ansurek

yea

[soft shale]

im always trickster on that boss

[sullen hollow]

i figured

[soft shale]

fuck parry

DS can suck my nuts

[quiet oar]

im Sin

[subtle tundra]

its pretty good kb spatter on 2nd platform

[warm vortex]

I will say

[soft shale]

getting my DN evis/envenoms parried

[bleak spoke]

accidentally crimson tempest woops

[mighty crown]

now that i think about it doesnt sub also grief p2 tomorrow

[subtle tundra]

but you need to have that assignment

[warm vortex]

It might be skewed

[sullen hollow]

i mean you can send kb into big shield add no?

[warm vortex]

as we had a pull where a spotter ran off and hyper pulled

[sullen hollow]

to less grief

[subtle tundra]

you cant cause it dies too fast

[mighty crown]

ye our issue was first platform damage tho

not 2nd

[sullen hollow]

y

[quiet oar]

Ill just not tell my guild, that sub can do this to all melees

[soft shale]

you can stack supercharger

[soft shale]

in intermission and free add

[sullen hollow]

oh yea

[warm vortex]

Also vault is looking nice this week :D

[soft shale]

get 4 stacks

[sullen hollow]

maybe supercharger will be good ye

[soft shale]

then blast add with 6

[bleak spoke]

damn 46.8% doesn't seem that insane

[subtle tundra]

first platform im portal guy...

[marble hemlock]

i still wanna know what the cap is on supercharger stacks

[mighty crown]

[warm vortex]

Also how will we use supercharge and the twist the knife

[marble hemlock]

or if every m+ will start with us building 30+ stacks

before starting the key

[sullen hollow]

[soft shale]

they reset on key begin but you can stack them on things like CoT

or grim batol drake

[marble hemlock]

both of these are passive

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/tootLBm.png new dummy doesn't parry like the turnip does

[quiet oar]

ohhh yeah inject it to my veins

[marble hemlock]

youll try to go for 200% envenom uptime

[bleak spoke]

also it makes fireworks!

[warm vortex]

Oh fuck i keep forgetting

[soft shale]

problem with charger on assa is you need a target

[warm vortex]

that the supercharge

[quiet oar]

we love prekey shenanigans

[warm vortex]

isnt like a use thing

[marble hemlock]

ye

i mean its a bit annoying for outlaw

[soft shale]

as sub you can just send SoD

[marble hemlock]

cuz supercharger is tied to rtb

[soft shale]

yea they cant roll a lot

[marble hemlock]

and sometimes you dont wanna hit rtb, but you wanna get supercharger

[soft shale]

outside combat

[warm vortex]

Oh yikes

[soft shale]

or without using finishers

[warm vortex]

that sounds like dumb design

[sullen hollow]

is there a world we dont play ct in m+ anymore

[marble hemlock]

no

[soft shale]

dont think so

ct is giga

man

[marble hemlock]

CT slams a lot more this expac than last

[bleak spoke]

ct is so insane

[sullen hollow]

and just go hard envenom and caustic

[grim jay]

But lets be honest, who cares?

[marble hemlock]

and you wanna path to SS anyway

[royal python]

I never play CT

[warm vortex]

Also is TtK in m+ or just a raid

cause im assuming charger is both

[subtle tundra]

wrong!

[marble hemlock]

as much as i dislike outlaw as a spec, i think that when any change to the class tree happens and it really only works for 1/3 or 2/3 of the specs, its a change that kinda shouldnt happen. not for a pure-DPS class anyway.

[quiet oar]

I think more people care, than people play sub

[bleak spoke]

we probably drop sd for ttk but dont do it unless the key is high

[marble hemlock]

that is indeed factual

[grim jay]

I think the bad part of the design is actually on the rtb side rather than the supercharger side

[marble hemlock]

nah

[quiet oar]

Supercharger on RTB is just bad

[grim jay]

More than all 4 of them?

[marble hemlock]

i think possibly holding on to RTB when you have good buffs, make the button more interesting

[open socket]

i use #showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm][] Rupture for my rupture (so i can mouseover, if not mouseover then target), but that macro doesnt seem to work with shadowstep, of course taking out the ,harm part. What am i missing to make that work?

[marble hemlock]

if youd just send RTB on CD, you might as well remove the spell and just make CTO baseline for the same effect

[bleak spoke]

i miss rolling without a cooldown for combo points

[quiet oar]

*as HO

[grim jay]

Idk im probably biased anyways as I dont really like rtb at all

[spice spire]

You are a ho

[bleak spoke]

it still feels to me like the only thing worse than having to roll for buffs is having a cooldown on rolling for buffs

[quiet oar]

Well yeah because im all yours

[marble hemlock]

i.e. i think the dance -> vanish and subterfuge reworks for 11.0 were kinda garbage, specifically because of how it ended up being completely useless for assa

[grim jay]

You can ho dn

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069423231695589456/1290619740594638868/IMG_6611.gif

[bleak spoke]

bring back +90% garrote dmg on subterfuge

[marble hemlock]

no thanks

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-hellscream-gif-22929956

[bleak spoke]

i'm joking really, that row was so strange

[golden loom]

haven't played Imp garrote before tomrrow, and coming from a classic HC perspective its gonna be weird to use vanish as a DPS CD

[grim jay]

I like the idea honestly, it just isnt at a point where it really is good tho. The only thing I dont like is that it kinda deletes vanish as a defensive, which could potentially get outvalued as soon as they get it right for sin

[calm grail]

Can I get a small paragaph about tonights changed so I'm ready for raid tonight? What talents need to be swapped into, and what changes rotationally? I read MA changes nothing and it "Just works".

[bleak spoke]

check pins

[sullen hollow]

check the pins

[grim jay]

Or the Youtube video

[calm grail]

Yeah, I read them, but my brain couldn't put together a final talent tree picture in my head.

[sullen hollow]

so watch whispyrs video

where he breaks it down

[marble hemlock]

click on the single target sim

theres a talent tree in there

[calm grail]

Oh I just checked

[grim jay]

Yeah there literally are links

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/elQPQKL.jpeg

[calm grail]

He updated WoWhead

[marble hemlock]

click icon on the left

but yes, both wowhead and icyveins guides are updated too if thats easier for you to consume than whispyrs video or the info in the pin

[sullen hollow]

yo seli how come you dont stream much anymore i watched u so much in bfa

[marble hemlock]

just kinda dont feel like streaming

[shadow patio]

From what I understand everything is the same

[sullen hollow]

ah well thats an easy one

hehe

[marble hemlock]

the way i spend my time at the PC isnt really conducive to streaming, as i zone out a lot or check stuff. maybe i have some 15min of work to do here, an hour there etc.

[calm grail]

I know race doesn't matter, but numerically, is Dracthyr solid?

[shadow patio]

For the most part. You’ll need a new WA

[sullen hollow]

i see

[marble hemlock]

as much as people make fun of it, but streaming for 6-8hrs uninterrupted without major downtime isnt the most enjoyable unless chat is very active

[sullen hollow]

nah i get that

[marble hemlock]

i miss those times tho

flying circles in dazlar and just yapping for a few hours

[sullen hollow]

xd

temple of sethralis

[marble hemlock]

okay i dont miss that one

[sullen hollow]

hahaha

[marble hemlock]

but underrot is the best dungeon they ever made, dont @ me

[quiet oar]

I wont @ you for this wrong statement

[sullen hollow]

tbf underrot was a banger ye

[quiet oar]

no worries

[marble hemlock]

well

underrot was 9.5/10

last boss was ass

[quiet oar]

second too

[bleak spoke]

nah, second boss was good

[marble hemlock]

second boss was fine

[grim jay]

Underrot is the definition of mid imo

[quiet oar]

Annoying walking ass

[grim jay]

Easy 5/10

[slim pebble]

I came back in BFA after a 3 expansion break and underrot was my first ever timed 15. Always special to me in a weird way

[bleak spoke]

i really liked the first boss

GHUUN, ACCEPT THIS OFFERING OF FLESH AND BLOOD

[marble hemlock]

first boss prenerf

when every add-spawn had +1 add

[slim pebble]

The first boss dying in like 42 seconds on fortified was the best part of the dungeon

[marble hemlock]

and healer had to go out and spec DPS for you to have a chance at killing it

[deep gyro]

Junkyard best dungeon

[marble hemlock]

eww

EWW

[pseudo cosmos]

Ye nuke her or die was hilarious

[bleak spoke]

that was like s1 when it was like your disc priest would spec shadow or something right

[marble hemlock]

i quite liked cathedral

DHT was goated af as well

[deep gyro]

Or freehold.

[marble hemlock]

actually DHT is the best dungeon they ever made

[bleak spoke]

my favorite dungeon was shrine of the storm

[marble hemlock]

freehold was mid af

[quiet oar]

Taszavesh

[bleak spoke]

i think the third boss had some problems with the water

[merry bison]

We use crimson in st right?

[bleak spoke]

but like

other than that

[tired gull]

No

[deep gyro]

Opinions amirite

[pseudo cosmos]

Freehold spam for dice trinket

[quiet oar]

Not really

there is some edge case

but no

[dapper cradle]

Damn, no TTK in hybrid build

[slim pebble]

I’d rather drink paint thinner tbh

[dapper cradle]

Cleave build doesn’t seen that far behind tho?

[merry bison]

I only sustain 700k st even tho good gear and I hold my bleeds up, track buffs and have my cds for ramp

feels wonky

[slim pebble]

If they bring back Shrine of the Storm or spires of ascension in m+ again I will have to take a break that season

[dapper cradle]

King’s Rest

[bleak spoke]

i think shrine was where you could really show the things i like about key, understanding of packs/spell queueing, group coordination, precise movement, etc

[quiet oar]

You want to envenom

really hard

[bleak spoke]

it was definitely the key where when i played good, I really felt like I was fucking good

[dapper cradle]

It will certainly be either king’s rest or shrine

Or maybe that temple place with the snake dudes

[marble hemlock]

shrine had too many casters

so it ended up beign a snapfest

[noble pollen]

King's rest is nice, they just need to tune it right

[marble hemlock]

no

god no

[bleak spoke]

yeah, i think by the end, the goblet tech was too widespread

[hallow sonnet]

I also did kind of enjoy KR on high keys back in BFA

[marble hemlock]

any dungeon with either a weekly rotation to it like KR spawns on 3rd boss, or just full RNG like arcway/waycrest can go fuck themselves

[peak saffron]

Freehold only pls

[hallow sonnet]

Though in modern time, rng in arcway and waycrest was removed

[bleak spoke]

i think KR was the first time i specced elu in serious content

[marble hemlock]

now i have arcway naltira ptsd again

[hollow elk]

Mechagon has to come back

[bleak spoke]

waycrest rng was fucking crazy

[hollow elk]

with 8.3 seasonal affix comeback

[bleak spoke]

-3.5 top right

drop it down try again

[dapper cradle]

They wouldn’t do freehold or mechagon again

[bleak spoke]

[hollow elk]

8.3 affix best affix ever

[bleak spoke]

i liked reaping

[quiet oar]

Encrypted

wants to talk to you

Encrypted was the best

[bleak spoke]

but i think shadowlands s3 was the most interesting

for seasonals

[dapper cradle]

I really miss quaking fr

[hollow cedar]

Yes encrypted was the most fun i had playing m+

[hollow elk]

Awakened goated

nothing was as fun and well designed

[bleak spoke]

i miss quaking because i could punish my ranged players if I didn't like what they were doing

[normal mist]

Which one was that during SL where we could get bonus stats for killing mini bosses?

[marble hemlock]

i think the portals were pretty neat

could do some cool routing stuff with it

[bleak spoke]

i think the minibosses were annoying

[hollow elk]

nah was fun af

[marble hemlock]

3/4 were okay

[warm vortex]

Anyone know how far behind fatebound is percentage wise in m+

[hollow elk]

i hope they bring back some seasonal affixes

[marble hemlock]

the random placement sucked tho

[bleak spoke]

i think figuring out portal routing was my favorite part of nya, i played like 2 weeks of keys with avade where we just did cooked shit to try to sneak into different portals etc

[rotund oak]

its about 5.2% for me

[merry bison]

ermmm, guess I get som more gear

[nova aspen]

[hollow elk]

i loved junkyard in awakened season

[pliant remnant]

NERF ASSASSINATION REEEEE

[bleak spoke]

the pullaway sap kidney blind to get into the atal portal on zombie side was our tech from day 1

[grim jay]

Quite some % dps wise and about 90% defensive wise

[bleak spoke]

like the one by the stairs with the cheapshotmen

[iron carbon]

Wowhead guide already update for 11.0.5 ? I don't see ER anymore in opener

[hollow elk]

prolly getting updated atm no?

[grim jay]

Love the fdk buff

[bleak spoke]

holy fuck i just had a memory blast @marble hemlock i was there when you discovered live that spot in the wall that dropped sanguine up

like the snap spot coming down the stairs at the entrance

[rotund oak]

ER is gone friend,its replaced by supercharger

[arctic socket]

Frost dk was kinda packing tho

[nova aspen]

ikr

[iron carbon]

I know right

[bleak spoke]

i could not believe my eyes

[iron carbon]

So, that's why I ask if the guide is already updated

I wanted to know when to put ER playing without shrouded suffocation

[marble hemlock]

in atal?

i didnt discover it, but ye

z-axis always fun with sanguine

[iron carbon]

For the last day of ER living 🙂

[grim jay]

Fdk was already the best and now is even stronger. Arcane might see quite the push aswell

[marble hemlock]

z-axis in general i just smth wow doesnt do very well

[hollow elk]

dw they will get big aura nerfs

[iron carbon]

it seems so

[rotund oak]

z-axis in tol'dagor

[grim jay]

Idk about that

[rotund oak]

i rest my case

[marble hemlock]

from hitboxes being too far up in the air (lmao anduin) to spell effects not hitting you when youre 1y higher on the z-axis etc.

[hallow sonnet]

For Arcane, their setup also got less complex

[bleak spoke]

https://www.twitch.tv/seliathan/clip/ObedientBrainyBibimbapGingerPower

[marble hemlock]

ye that was a good snap spot

[bleak spoke]

it was great

[keen mantle]

might be bad habit honestly , im supposed to do it once every 10 sec. Tbh i got rly tilted when i was on 5cp and fan gave me 1 cause no crits so thats the main reason kekW

[marble hemlock]

ye

its funny cuz i used to do that too

[bleak spoke]

lowkey when i'm at 5 with a TDN in aoe

[marble hemlock]

and i justified it with "im energy capped anyway, might as well use a mut to get to max CP instead of fok for more prio"

[bleak spoke]

i know what i'm pressin

[prisma forge]

Have sims been updated for new items out of BRD?

[iron carbon]

Same rofl

[bleak spoke]

cuz if i hit a fok and i see 6

gonna lose it

[iron carbon]

I'm not alone doing this shitty thing

[bleak spoke]

[hallow sonnet]

No real shade, but very few specs you'll notice much of a difference between playing perfect, and playing comfortable during the non-critical (CD's usually) timings

[iron carbon]

Just fcking blind btw

[hollow elk]

xd

[hallow sonnet]

There's so much else that loses you more damage. Like having a pack being gathered a bit slow due to a late interrupt before you open will probably cover all those types of "misplays" over a dungeon - timer wise

[hollow elk]

saying Patch: 11.0.2 in the header tho

i dont think its fully updated but yea

[bleak spoke]

part of why i'm excited to play some subterfuge iron wire

[royal lantern]

but but

there MUST be a deeper meaning behind it >:c

you cant tell me that not every single button Press is 300% calculated with a perfect purpise in mind

or smth like that, idk, people are weird with the "but casual did X" stuff lol

[bleak spoke]

[rotund oak]

garrote for everyone

[marble hemlock]

Probably just a header that didnt get mass-updated. Both wowhead and icy veins guides are updated content-wise afaik.

[keen mantle]

I mean im a human so i do mistakes surely kekW

my accuracy is just on point most of the times.

[royal lantern]

sure, a "human"

🤖

[marble hemlock]

rogue mains arent human tbh

[shadow patio]

We’re dancer

[hollow elk]

me roboto

[keen mantle]

ye no mistakes allowed

I SAW CASUAL DOING MUTILATES ON AOE SO I DO TOO

[rotund oak]

mazochists for sure

[keen mantle]

HES RANK 1

SURELY HE KNOWS

[bleak spoke]

last time i popped open a casual stream, he dwarfed his tank into viqgoth on-frame on the second platform, i wouldn't call that human behavior

[royal lantern]

"its for prio dmg"

[marble hemlock]

ye i remember when both speed and i played vigor in SL because we just didnt wanna bother with mfd hotkeys

and somehow that became a thing of "surely its better" despite both of us saying its just us being lazy

[karmic fog]

Can anyone tell me what the thing behind my back is? dunno how to remove it, and its not even my cape

[nova aspen]

its ur profession equipment

[bleak spoke]

mfd

[rotund oak]

thats a weird prof equipment but looks like a gem thingy

maybe he's jewelcrafter

[hard sparrow]

looks like the totem from delve

[nova aspen]

idk im just guessing

when i craft a gem, it puts on profession equipment

[rotund oak]

might be a quest item

[nova aspen]

then i look ugly af

[nova aspen]

did u craft something recently

[royal lantern]

you always do

:3

[nova aspen]

i have nighthold mythic set on

[safe barn]

are we aiming for gear of BRD? saw some daggers that look awesome

[rotund oak]

do u know him?

like irl

[royal lantern]

yes i do

[rotund oak]

is that claim true or habibi lies?

plot thickens

[nova aspen]

its true it took me like 6 weeks to get it all

also no red infernal mount

[rotund oak]

no i mean if u know tryan irl

😂

[spice surge]

Last time i checked some of the trinkets werent in, but the daggers all seem horrid

I wouldnt expect anything to be good though

[safe barn]

i saw the passives of the daggers and got excited

[nova aspen]

oh no i dont lmao

[royal lantern]

yes you do

[nova aspen]

[dapper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/meowdy-howdy-cat-howdy-cat-in-a-hat-cat-in-the-ten-gallon-hat-gif-27347110

[nova aspen]

oh maybe you're that guy

[spice surge]

They have those instead of stats

So theyre not great

[safe barn]

this was the only trinket i found so far

[neon drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[languid frigate]

Are we getting the 6% ST buff to all builds, or is this coming specifically from TTK?

[dapper halo]

nyan nyan nyan :3

[grim jay]

Its old build vs new build

[quartz locust]

So what are you guys putting on your old SnD keybind

[ionic matrix]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[languid frigate]

So for example. The same M+ talents will be doing 6% more in the new build regardless?

[grim jay]

Idk yet tbf, maybe blind because my current bind aint as comfy

[grim jay]

No

The m+ build doesnt change

Or barely rather

He said that aswell tho

Only St builds change and only ST for raid is getting stronger

With those new builds

[languid frigate]

Ah yeah that was my question. Likely due to the TTK changes?

[fringe oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps if not talented into shrouded suffocation we use mutilate but then when will we apply garrote?

[grim jay]

Ttk changes and some double dipping

MA stronger

[grim jay]

There are pictures for openers

[quartz locust]

if you just follow the sequence, it's after CDs

[fringe oxide]

That's what I thought but that is super weird for me

[grim jay]

Shrouded or not doesnt change anything

[gritty cypress]

Does Sudden Demise just not work in D slice? Doesn't show any damage on the hybrid sim

[grim jay]

In single target

[fringe oxide]

It says to use mutilate if not talented in the new picture opener

[quartz locust]

assume you wan't an envenom up asap and get to CDs asap to take advantage of twist the knife, then start caring about maintenance stuff

[hollow elk]

does someone have a luxthos weakaura edit with envenom in it

[grim jay]

Its probably an oversight as the prio still has garrote over CDs as it should have

[fringe oxide]

That's crazy for my brain

[fringe oxide]

I hope so man that would not go well in my brain

[grim jay]

It just messed up the order

Visually

Ig

[fringe oxide]

I would love to be in the loop on this

[grim jay]

It should be mutilate after garrote

If you dont have shrouded

So you get the cp

[fringe oxide]

That's what I guess

[grim jay]

You want

[fringe oxide]

But whispyr might be cooking something else?

[grim jay]

Ive DMed him about it

[quartz locust]

that makes way more sense lol

[fringe oxide]

Love you

[zenith prairie]

I’m assuming this has been answered 100s of times by now. But is the new goal to make sure we have double envenom up as long as we can in kb window? Other than pooling for that we just try and maintain uptime?

[fringe oxide]

Can you @ me when you have a response?

[faint vessel]

are we talking about this opening sequence? surely that's an oversight, I can't see a reason why we'd skip garroting at all before CDs unless Im missing something major

[quartz locust]

yeah the branch should be coming from inb etween the garrote and rupture

[fringe oxide]

We are yes

[faint vessel]

yeah thats got to be an oversight/error in the graphic

[grim jay]

If I remember it ye, but I can guarantee you that its just visually misleading in that case

[faint vessel]

you'd be missing 2x garrote damage for most of Deathmark

[winged sun]

Guys

[fringe oxide]

I thought I missed something major and thought the same thing

[winged sun]

The 11.0.5 buffs on st apply to m+ build or only raid?

[ancient rain]

i can imagine a world where someone looked at that and felt smart for holding garrote for after the first envenom

[winged sun]

Cba reading an essay in pins

[faint vessel]

it's ST

[winged sun]

Both raid and m+ build?

[quartz locust]

zero changes to m+ build

[winged sun]

[faint vessel]

M+ build wont be impacted afaik

[winged sun]

I see

Hows frost dk getting buffed

Kinda odd

Only we deserve buffs

Not them

[jolly heath]

Can just let dk have fun

[winged sun]

?!

[strange python]

Does anyone know how far behind fatebound is on sims off the top of their head?

[faint vessel]

this world exists. I ran a low key yesterday with some friends on my aug alt and we grabbed a 616 assassination rogue for a +5 GB. I thought 'oh this dude needs a group to get his skardyns'. Partway through the key my scale aug is less than 100k DPS overall behind im and Im gapping him on some pulls

[rotund oak]

Liar habibi

[faint vessel]

dude was running pure ST raid build, no IC, no caustic, nothing

[grim jay]

Like one percent in St and multiple in m+, more like 3 with the flensing bug

And way behind on defensives

[quartz locust]

this is hero talent rework patch, which happened to buff strong classes in some cases and nerf weak classes. Tuning the rework should be soon(tm)

[faint vessel]

we're about to fly to close to the sun

[upper oak]

im hoping my monk gets some love lol

[hallow sonnet]

Like, happens. People forget to swap spec and just think "might as well just pump on bosses, just a +5" or something

[quartz locust]

everyone should just play shitty until tuning

for most of you that would mean carry on as usual

[faint vessel]

Oh of course it happens, but from chatting he simply had no idea

poor guy probbaly snagged a wowhead build and went to blastin

[hallow sonnet]

ah yeah then probably there's some need of guidance that's not just "use the top build"

[faint vessel]

yeah I politely let him know and he was appreciative

[hallow sonnet]

Send him to whispyrs 3h school youtubes

[faint vessel]

no reason to be toxic to someone in a +5

yeah I told him to search whispyr's vids 😛

[hallow sonnet]

No reason to be toxic to someone outside of a +5 either

[faint vessel]

wellllll

[quartz locust]

luckily i still timed the couple keys where i forgot i was in ST build lol

[winged sun]

how

[grim jay]

Probably weeklies or something

Can 2 dps weeklies

[winged sun]

Im not saying that he cant time them

How did he not notice the rotational difference

[slate crown]

PTR down fuck

[feral wasp]

Rogue shadoy clony hero talent rework when?

[winged sun]

PTR down fuck

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-office-rampage-mad-angry-gif-12918172

[winged sun]

Hi new green guy

Ur new in ravenholdt?

[quartz locust]

i noticed during the first pull, i was just stuck lol

[faint vessel]

I would pull my hair out if I didnt immediately go change

[white lance]

ye it just went down a few minutes ago

[slate crown]

noper doper

[rotund oak]

why so

[winged sun]

Never seen u before

[slate crown]

you have

[thorny crown]

Why does mr casual say its bis with skardyns + dawn trinket instead of what everyone else says? 😛

[slate crown]

you just didn't notice me

I know because I've seen you

[winged sun]

I never noticed u you say

[earnest remnant]

zeross forgot his meds again

[slate crown]

I've been around more than a year

[faint vessel]

casual says skardyns + crystal is BiS in M+?

[winged sun]

Is that it?

So ur new

[slate crown]

Idn

I have many chats

[slate crown]

lots of many

I'm a green name, that must mean something

[winged sun]

well many chats doesnt change the fact that ur new

[hallow sonnet]

Lisonna has more messages posted in public channels during the last year than I have since the start

[inland escarp]

You can see his join date is before yours lol

[faint vessel]

dunno, he might be seeing his best results from it, then.at some point there's sim math, and then there's what you actually get in a run

[winged sun]

Im a rank 1 yapper and im not green

[thorny crown]

i guess

might have to farm one out to try it

[earnest remnant]

the voices

[white lance]

!followage

[faint vessel]

anecdotally from play and then relying in sims the passive trinket options are all pretty tight with eachother

[slate crown]

dunno what to tell you friendo

[rotund oak]

u are known to be silent but women

joking ofc

[winged sun]

U only play assa?

[hallow sonnet]

Don't do that

[winged sun]

Or did u try to play outlaw and sub

[slate crown]

assa and sub

[winged sun]

I see

[slate crown]

[earnest remnant]

she knows that rogue only has two real specs

[winged sun]

Ur a theorycrafter too?

[earnest remnant]

she a real one

[winged sun]

Well

Real rogues play all specs

[stray adder]

says who

[earnest remnant]

yeah assa and sub

[winged sun]

Perfectly too

[faint vessel]

cries in outlaw and sin pref

[slate crown]

Weakauras not updated, didn't have time, lots of RL shit, was hoping to update them today and now I can't , at least I got TTK mostly done but need to add supercharger support

[marble hemlock]

all 2 of them, yeah

[rotund oak]

[winged sun]

Outlaw dominated bfa but most of u didnt play that expac anyway

[marble hemlock]

outlaw isnt a rogue spec, its a warrior spec

[winged sun]

[slate crown]

I do indeed have messages in the tc channels you may

But mostly WA stuffs

[winged sun]

WA

Not assa

[marble hemlock]

it didnt dominate tho

[winged sun]

It did

Raid doesnt count

[inland escarp]

Seli was my assa rogue hero in bad

[hallow sonnet]

Outlaw really was mainly the tail end of the expansion

[winged sun]

M+ is all that matters

[inland escarp]

Bfa*

[winged sun]

Wdym

[marble hemlock]

assa took over with high corruption

[winged sun]

All of mdi and all seasons had outlaw

[winged sun]

Not rly

[hallow sonnet]

Well outlaw also got adjusted

[rotund oak]

seli was everyone's hero before he retired to old age

[winged sun]

8k rio rogue was outlaw

[marble hemlock]

MDI isnt representative of the game

[winged sun]

He was r1

[dapper cradle]

[marble hemlock]

okay and?

[winged sun]

Pushing too tho

[inland escarp]

It’ll happen

[rotund oak]

[marble hemlock]

assa was very competitive to outlaw in bfa

[winged sun]

Ppl didnt play keys without outlaw

[rotund oak]

dont just lose faith on him,good lad

[winged sun]

Competitive, but outlaw was better

[marble hemlock]

it was not

[winged sun]

Cant be buyist all the time

Cuh

[marble hemlock]

was easier to play

cuz wits hardcarried

[winged sun]

It had alot of cc

[marble hemlock]

that you never needed

[winged sun]

Thats the only reason it was played

?

[marble hemlock]

if the grp wasnt braindead

[pure moth]

if you look at pin the answer is right there, don't even have to scroll.

[winged sun]

[marble hemlock]

it had a lot of random cc

[half dawn]

are you guys all running transmitter for m+?

[inland escarp]

He’s in here fighting the good fight now

[marble hemlock]

unless you held onto bte just for the stun, but like... why?

[winged sun]

U only played assa so ur definitely gonna fight that

[faint vessel]

dont care if its slightly better, hate dealing with it

[daring hamlet]

hes green again

[faint vessel]

(transmitter)

[grim jay]

I can understand everyone not playing it

[winged sun]

Not rly it was primarily gouge

[grim jay]

Bfa sucked ass

[winged sun]

And grappling hook for skips

[marble hemlock]

ye, and if someone didnt troll my tol dagor, i wouldve beaten every single outlaw. wouldve made that assa the dominant spec cuz it was r1?

[winged sun]

Especially in nzoth affix

[snow quest]

is auto tea on ptr sims broken and doesn't give any energy?

[grim jay]

?

Wdym

[winged sun]

Did u beat every outlaw tho?

[marble hemlock]

psure sim still uses tea manually

[rotund oak]

yas!!

[winged sun]

Tol dagor was an outlaw dungeon

[marble hemlock]

except for 3 of them, yeah

[snow quest]

looked at an outlaw log where it auto triggers tea and it never got the energy from what I can tell

[winged sun]

All dungeons were outlaw dungeons

[snow quest]

thought you guys might know something

[harsh anchor]

I miss BOTE

[rotund oak]

outlaws bombing the chat again

[grim jay]

Id suggest asking in the outlaw chat in that case

[winged sun]

The skips u could do with grappling hook, gouge was already alot

And no u never held bte

Even in highest of keys

[snow quest]

no tea experts in the outlaw chat it seems

[winged sun]

Im in the army

[grim jay]

Yeah most of them never look at energy either way

[snow quest]

do they have tea?

[winged sun]

Yes

[snow quest]

excellent

[marble hemlock]

check outlaw tc channel if its been reported there or smth

[jagged niche]

BfA talk

[grim jay]

Big L

Worst expac

[jagged niche]

True

[rotund oak]

yo

[harsh anchor]

EP was fun

[jagged niche]

Bring back s3/s4 sl Type of Dungeons

[inland escarp]

I liked bfa 🥲

[snow quest]

sadly we are not so many tc:ers left

[hallow sonnet]

Same

[snow quest]

I'll check with koji later

[marble hemlock]

ye

[hallow sonnet]

WoD too

[marble hemlock]

probably the best idea

[grim jay]

Wod was better than bfa by a mile

So if you already liked bfa

You should like wod aswell

[marble hemlock]

wod didnt have m+ tho

checkmate

[hallow sonnet]

Raidwise both were a step up in encounter design from everything before

Well WoD did get mythic dungeons

Towards the end only though

[grim jay]

True but even that couldnt save the mess bfa was imo

[pure moth]

real rogues only play Sin

[jagged niche]

Wod had no content

[grim jay]

Wod still had decent pvp and you could play multiple alts

[waxen oyster]

wod had good raids

[jagged niche]

Pvp

[hallow sonnet]

Real rogues play by whatever rules they want, and they aim to just improve and get better at it.
Since there's so much other than theoretical numbers that goes into deciding if you manage to beat content or not

[waxen oyster]

and let's be real

[stray adder]

Gorgrond is still laggy to this day

[waxen oyster]

most "content" blizz makes that isnt raids

is largely hated

the maw

korthia

[rotund oak]

wod was the only expansion i couldnt rly play alot since i did my army service.. but from the little pvp i did,it was atrocious for rogue

[waxen oyster]

[rotund oak]

dunno about pve

[grim jay]

Depends on which patch ig

[hollow elk]

mega dungeons > m+

[jagged niche]

I Wonder Why people hated the maw

No logical reason to Hate it

I loved not being able to Mount

[hallow sonnet]

PvE was quite nice, specs were a lot more specialized back then. So there was quite a bit more cross speccing between ST, Cleave and AoE

[rotund oak]

was done with the army before last tier raid patch

[coarse jay]

Can't wait to go dragon today

[hollow elk]

dwagon wogue

[stray adder]

Gecko rogue, that aint a dragon

[white lance]

i had two back to back 45 min mirror matches (rogue shaman) in arena in wod, havent pvp'd since ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stray adder]

goofy looking lizard at best

[coarse jay]

Komodo dragon lethal poisons

[patent igloo]

So basically we don’t press ER & SnD. Anymore, what other mods to rotation

[rotund oak]

was disgusting,it was firemages everywhere basicly

[hallow sonnet]

devlin, did you ever play in A few good men back in vanilla?

[white lance]

yes

[hallow sonnet]

Neat, I was in Fate back then

[white lance]

ah i thought i remembered the name

[hallow sonnet]

I've always wondered if it was the same devlin

[white lance]

same ol same ol 🙂

[grim jay]

For me its just alliance belf rogue

[hallow sonnet]

I saved your kill vids back when I was younger :D

[white lance]

was that god damn beijing in fate

[arctic socket]

Can someone post their fok proc weakaura

[hallow sonnet]

Oh, I seem to recall that

[white lance]

unkillable priest

[hallow sonnet]

I know a lot joined huhu on horde

[arctic socket]

Since we aren’t VV enjoyers anymore gotta press fok

[hallow sonnet]

lost contact with like most

[grim jay]

Just take lisonnas

[arctic socket]

Where is that

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[barren sleet]

For the new video Whispyr did, are there any links to those talent trees? The WoWhead ones look out of date at least for the raid section. Or will they get updated once the patch goes live

[grim jay]

Lisonna=LE

[nova aspen]

anyone by chance have a focus target shadowstep kick macro?

[white lance]

ye i guess, i played with impact up until recently if you remember him, also og rogue

[hallow sonnet]

Oh fun

[arctic socket]

Do you know the spell id for the proc off top of your head 😂

I will just make one instead of installing a whole collection

For one thing

[hallow sonnet]

I sometimes talk with Rave and Anfroy, also rogues. But seldom now

Well well, nice catching up :)

[grim jay]

No, it should be on wowhead tho

[white lance]

same 🙂 crazy that i remember those names

[grim jay]

Am not at home so cant post either

[hallow sonnet]

:)

[wraith burrow]

bleh, gotta redo all my talent trees before raid tonight

[slim pebble]

Just run out of the dungeon quick if it’s the first pull

[wraith burrow]

assuming servers are borked

aren't*

[inland escarp]

Are you asking for clear the witnesses ?

[grim jay]

Yes

[worldly nebula]

Will we be able to buy/mog the other tier 2 leather sets from the event?

[toxic burrow]

Broken servers? Don't be silly. Blizzard has 20 years of experience with patch days. I'm sure everything will be fine. 🔥

[sharp lily]

You can buy all the sets, first one is 60 tokens, second is 40, and each one after that is 20.

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[grim jay]

NA are beta testers anyways

[onyx coyote]

Gotta say not a fan of how wowhead does the opener rotaiton guides anymore 😦

[arctic socket]

Sadly gotta add more to my weakaura pack since we gotta start tracking it 😦 (since we aren’t VV enjoyers anymore)

[grim jay]

Idk it imo is pretty good if it works

[worldly nebula]

Ok, but can I mog the monk set on my rogue? idk if this is a class only thing or w/e

[sharp lily]

I'm going g to feel safe assuming they are class restricted.

[arctic socket]

What’s wrong with the rotation?

[onyx coyote]

I just rathered the text format

[latent bluff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[worldly nebula]

dang it, then idc rogue ones looks bad to me

[grim jay]

Some people dont like the pictures

[grim jay]

Unpopular opinion

[arctic socket]

The new t2 isn’t that good

[bold bramble]

Guys, is there an item in the aniversary raid we like to have?

[arctic socket]

Coulda been better 😦

[onyx coyote]

Though it seems our rotation did not really change at all?

[worldly nebula]

you guys like the mog?

[onyx coyote]

only removal of remand and snd?

[grim jay]

Its atleast above average. The only really good ones are monk dk and shaman

[arctic socket]

Paladin one looks sick

[worldly nebula]

man I want the monk one on my rogue. Why is it not possible 😦

[grim jay]

Idk, maybe wont even get it

[grim jay]

Because its a monk set and doesnt even look roguey at all?

[arctic socket]

I’m definitely not going out of my way to farm any of the sets

[grim jay]

I will for dk and monk

[worldly nebula]

you think my rogue mogs look like rogue? xdd

[arctic socket]

But I might have to get the t2 set just to make a cursed tmog with the xavias shoulders

[grim jay]

Just do one with the old set then

[arctic socket]

Naw

Not the same

Part is the set is definitely cool lookin

[normal mist]

[arctic socket]

I don’t like the belt at all tho

[snow kindle]

old t2 rogue better

[hallow sonnet]

A few years ago I used to transmog my rogue into a green version of some monk set back from mop. Confused some people.

[normal mist]

Yes but actually no

[austere bramble]

guys is sin one of the better ST specs in the game now?

[arctic socket]

I like to make my rogue look like a Druid

[hallow sonnet]

I think that picture you sent looks like it's missing particle effects?

[arctic socket]

Nah it’s pretty low tbh

[grim jay]

For raid ye

[grim jay]

What

[arctic socket]

Nah

We need another buff

Trust

[grim jay]

Is blizz reading?

[snow kindle]

for me the vhest/shoulder/helm are just not as good but the rest is good

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[grim jay]

Bro our St is so bad

[arctic socket]

Always watching

[normal mist]

It's the first one, yes, it's missing shoulders particles and head being all black

[onyx coyote]

What do you swap out again if you rather the vicious venoms build?

[normal mist]

It's just a new better remodel that isn't stuck in 2004
Obviously some will hate it and some will love it

[normal kindle]

aka i LOVE IT

[spring sigil]

I enjoy my Shrek transmog too much

[harsh anchor]

I just like the layered parts of it. Especially the legs. Makes it look more like armor than tights

[spring sigil]

Only reason i have an orc rogue

[normal mist]

True

I might be running this

[nova aspen]

sick helm

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/yoink-meme-yoink-that-meme-my-meme-yoink-meme-gif-23925378

[snow kindle]

where is the helm from

[normal mist]

Future trading post

[slim pebble]

Trading post

[snow kindle]

pretty cool

next month?

[steel ridge]

that looks sick, what is that hood?

nvm trading post 🙂

[normal kindle]

SPIDERMAN HOOD

[tired gull]

anyone know where the helm is from??

[arctic socket]

I don’t like those shoulders

[steel ridge]

🍻

[arctic socket]

Try the meme red n black ones

[nova aspen]

try that look with mythic nighthold shoulders maybe?

[normal mist]

Not on PC right now, bit there's definitely room for improvement

[arctic socket]

That tabard matches so well

Isn’t that the candy tabard though

[stray adder]

Naxx rogue set is the best set

dont @ me

[normal mist]

My only chances on getting it are if @hollow river gets me one

[wild pine]

@stray adder

[arctic socket]

Full set it up

[tired gull]

can't believe i have to wait all day to see my vault

and update my talents

[stray adder]

nothing beats it

[arctic socket]

Oh you have the poor man’s one

[stray adder]

the good looking one

[hollow river]

Thanks for reminding me I’ll try to check on that today

[tired gull]

kind of a fan of the boner gear

[arctic socket]

I don’t like that set on female characters

Looks so much better on bulky characters

That set is bis on Tauren

[normal mist]

Thank you so much for that King

[lilac anchor]

Less clothes for better freedom of movement and a top hat for style...

[arctic socket]

What’s the back pack for

[lilac anchor]

Supplies

[faint vessel]

ive been hunting the gloves for a year

[arctic socket]

[faint vessel]

I was bitching about the helmet a couple weeks ago while killing KT and it dropped, yay

[stray adder]

the belt for me

[tired gull]

i'm also a big fan of t2.5

[stray adder]

leather doesnt drop from naxx

its a myth

[arctic socket]

It’s probably better for you to not use a belt

[faint vessel]

I started my initial WoW experience in vanilla, right between T1 and T2. Bloodfang speaks to the inner 14 year old in me

[arctic socket]

Instead of what you have

[stray adder]

this guy

[faint vessel]

Im so excited for the bloodfang remaster

[tired gull]

can't wait to see everyone using the same remastered t2 mogs

[faint vessel]

I dont pay attention to anyone elses mogs anyway

[arctic socket]

T3 it up

[normal mist]

And we'll be happy

[hollow river]

Is it just me or do Feral artifact daggers fit Bonescythe better than our own

[arctic socket]

They do a lot

[hollow river]

[faint vessel]

the battle dagger(s) are awful

so tiny

[normal mist]

Probably... Yes