assassination

[winged sun]

[blazing pumice]

twist the knife

[winged sun]

!abbreviations

And

[subtle tundra]

ok

so if then

make subterfuge go with cleave build

[faint path]

Did they buff us again? Wtf

[subtle tundra]

so you lose single target but get single target kinda thing

and at the end you fuck hoes

[proper tapir]

I'm not sure if "fuck hoes" is a good thing or a bad thing; but I can't make more than 2 APL changes at a time or I get accused of being Shakespeare... so Cleave build will have to wait 😦

[subtle tundra]

fucking hoes is the goal

[proper tapir]

dude, I had no clue - I'll tell my wife that!!!!

[subtle tundra]

🗣️

[blazing pumice]

if there were any female rogue players they would find that offensive

[dapper halo]

i wuw my girl panda rouge, shes a cutie <3

[subtle tundra]

they'd also want cleave build with subterfuge

subterfuge good aswell for it cause

yea

so it makes sense

[rotund oak]

its RO-GUE,we are not a lipstick friend 🙂

[blazing pumice]

yer like i said sap

ffxiv is the better game

ninja is easier to spell

[dapper halo]

i know, i do that typo on porpoise

[dim yacht]

not really rogue related, but does anyone have a WA on hand that does the /message in say when eating and when done eating?

[rotund oak]

ik u do,thats why i slaughter every panda on warmode on 🙂

u are not allowed to live

[dapper halo]

but pandas are cute

[blazing pumice]

https://wago.io/XLMACCDqa

[dim yacht]

ty

[blazing pumice]

that was a joke, don't use that wa

[dim yacht]

nah ill just change the message

[blazing pumice]

i actually don't know

[dim yacht]

isnt that the point

i can set it to w/e i want

[blazing pumice]

that was just the annoying one i see people use that came up in google

[rotund oak]

the cutest beyond doubt,inside a ditch,memeing cringe rogue memes

[dapper halo]

also double food buff is good

[rotund oak]

they can eat there all they want

im fine with that

[vale lantern]

do we want any items from brd?

[robust axle]

Does tomorrows patch change anything substantially in our gameplay, both raid and m+ wise?

[shadow badger]

yo did they remove deathstalker yet?

[waxen oyster]

no its prob better with patch

[balmy prism]

ye it's gone

[shadow badger]

fuck yeah im so back

[waxen oyster]

There’s honestly very few scenarios dsm feels

legit trash

[shadow badger]

thats still not good enough considering 85% of all the hero talents function 100% of the time

[waxen oyster]

like i cant think a boss it doesnt work on

[subtle tundra]

will feel worse

cause er is gonezo

[waxen oyster]

well yeah

energy is faster

because no more vv or sanguine

[subtle tundra]

which i fucking hate

46 apm felt so nice

[waxen oyster]

also ttk stacking is like

makes it easier to keep up env chains

[shadow badger]

i hate downtime so im happy to press a button every gcd

[waxen oyster]

boy

hate downtime

[runic terrace]

This question might be stupid: as embellishment we play double Dining, right?!

[waxen oyster]

i have a spec for you

[shadow badger]

look at the color of my name

take a guess my fav spec

i play sin for raid

[waxen oyster]

i have a blue name because i like blue

[balmy prism]

ye I was very anti dsm at first

now I kinda like it

[waxen oyster]

mfw i play outlaw in raid

[balmy prism]

ew

[waxen oyster]

until i get jailed into sin

for a prog boss

[balmy prism]

I'm too much of a boomer to play outlaw

buttons go too fast

[shy pecan]

Imagine playing outlaw at all

[shadow badger]

thats where i am

[shadow badger]

law looks heat now that KIR is the super meta build

[waxen oyster]

it was already meta

technically

[shadow badger]

by like .5%

[runic terrace]

!embellishments

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-face-of-someone-not-caring-penelope-garcia-criminal-minds-s17e6-i-don't-mind-gif-16579445917564726696

[balmy prism]

2x dawnthread probably

[waxen oyster]

i dont even think the patch changes

buff ambush much

[shadow badger]

wait we are changing off ascendence?

[waxen oyster]

since they dont take supercharger

ascendance is marginally better on pure st

[quiet oar]

It is fun

But not with all these RP dungeons

[runic terrace]

So 2x Dawnthread Lining it is I guess

[mystic osprey]

6 percent buff

[waxen oyster]

outlaw is geeat in m+ wdym

i love losing to any tank with his monitor on

love target cap

[shy pecan]

[waxen oyster]

Yeah was mostly curious since the patch changes dont really buff anything for ho?

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

outlaws trying to gaslight the world again?

[mystic osprey]

HO will be behind yeah

[shy pecan]

No Tiramil and these yellow names saying outlaw’s fun

[mystic osprey]

HO problem

[waxen oyster]

Thats what I presume since supercharger is only a KIR taker

[night cipher]

Outlaw will be back when they put Necrotic Wake in S2 dungeon pool. Along with Zul'Aman and Magisters' Terrace.

[royal lantern]

ttk

cus like

blizz puts it in the gane

[waxen oyster]

NW is in the current pool

[mystic osprey]

Yep

[waxen oyster]

its honestly more of a sin dungeon

[royal lantern]

and NONE of the envenom related stuff is tuned around it

[mystic osprey]

It's really damn good too

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

and likr

holy shit singular focus

farms necromancers

to the dirt

complete passive is my third dam to them

[quiet oar]

Necrotic wake is already in the pool?

[night cipher]

Plaguefall*

[subtle tundra]

i kinda hate they bring back these dungeons and dont bring the buffs back in some form

[night cipher]

trying to think of the worst 4 they can put

[subtle tundra]

kings rest

[oak tangle]

why does plaguefall help outlaw?

[subtle tundra]

PLEASE

[night cipher]

Tol Dagor ?

[subtle tundra]

oh yea

[waxen oyster]

I do feel like

deathstalker could be much better

[subtle tundra]

idk which legion ones were bad

[waxen oyster]

if blindside ambush

could trigger it

[subtle tundra]

idk man i swear im not insane but sometimes my mark just vanishes

sometimes it fucking dissapears

midpull

[waxen oyster]

decent pullsize i guess

[subtle tundra]

i swear im not fucking insane

[waxen oyster]

if you forget the first room exists

most of pf's packs are relatively small

[oak tangle]

how does that help outlaw though, that equaly helps sin

[subtle tundra]

he means 5 targets

[waxen oyster]

im not even sure if outlaw is better than sin

[night cipher]

decent pullsize and the pace of the pulls

[waxen oyster]

at 5t

[subtle tundra]

idk outlaws keep fucking coping that its the target cap fucking them

[strange python]

Poxstorm

[oak tangle]

surely sub then jsut rolls in

[subtle tundra]

its literally just a tuning game. if outlaw is tuned higher its played

if assa is tuned higher, its played

[waxen oyster]

end of the day its tuning though yeah

[subtle tundra]

if sub is tuned higher, its played

not any deeper

[waxen oyster]

the flurry range being returned to acro range

will be a buff for most people

[quiet oar]

Yeha bringing necrotic wake back and nerf the weapons but not the dungeon

was a wild decision

[night cipher]

Never liked Vault of Wardens ... first that comes to mind

[subtle tundra]

no golems

[quiet oar]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

those things did half the down area

[waxen oyster]

seat

seat

[subtle tundra]

by themselves

[waxen oyster]

seat

whoever made seat

[quiet oar]

Cathedral?

[pseudo cosmos]

lol the vault wardens spiders near last boss was free noobcheck

[waxen oyster]

cathedral was fine after it got nerfed

prenerf cathedral

[quiet oar]

I just want maw of souls

[waxen oyster]

watching bad tanks let the group get murdered by warden ghosts

because light wasnt around

[pseudo cosmos]

ye was hilarious

[waxen oyster]

or you know

the pug whos ego is so hurt

if he gets knocked off during maze

and leaves insta

[royal lantern]

rememeber how important the target caps where in SL s1/2?????

[frigid wing]

someone let me watch you dps a key pls 🙂

[ashen scroll]

bonespike outlaw was incredible. bring it back

[waxen oyster]

bonespike in general

was fun

but no

[ashen scroll]

kyrian dust outlaw in SL S4

[waxen oyster]

you will have sepsis

and like it

[ashen scroll]

so good

[ashen scroll]

YUCK

[waxen oyster]

even though everyone hated sepsis

[shadow badger]

bird whistle was the true goat of s4 there is a reason why it is still the core gameplay

[waxen oyster]

i think only time sepsis did relevant damage

was sepulcher

[rotund oak]

dont wanna ruin the fun but deathstalker is alive and kicking

[shadow badger]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-doomer-gif-25753254

[waxen oyster]

or the pvp memers who abused sepsis

[ashen scroll]

what is bird whistle. i played that xpac and dont know what this is

[waxen oyster]

into the fact resto shaman had no poison dispel

[subtle tundra]

Ugh I want to record ansurek kill but I have major fps issues

[shadow badger]

basically what fan the hammer is now but instead of shooting 3 bullets it would just slam the 6 bullets saved up

[ashen scroll]

oh the bussy build

the leggo

[quiet oar]

Have you tried

[shadow badger]

yuh

[quiet oar]

having more power?

[waxen oyster]

tbh it was bussy lego

mixed with the tier

[subtle tundra]

Fuck does that mean

[waxen oyster]

probs more powerful pc

[shadow badger]

the leggo for flag was a big part too

[quiet oar]

A better PC

[shadow badger]

the cdr from it

[waxen oyster]

i mean the lego did fuel

acculumating the tierset faster

[shadow badger]

a combination of the 2 legendaries and the tier set made it fun af

[waxen oyster]

dust build was technically better

just harder to play

[shadow badger]

yeah but my gun didnt sound like a machine gun so it was bad

[ashen scroll]

the adrenaline i felt from kyrian dust in keys will never be matched

[waxen oyster]

and then the prepatch came

and basically

combined the two

[subtle tundra]

its only on ansurek i have problems

[shadow badger]

also ghostly strike didnt exist right?

[ashen scroll]

it did

[subtle tundra]

20 fps in intermission

[waxen oyster]

i still view fth as one of the largest successes

[ashen scroll]

i miss mark for death

[waxen oyster]

of df talents across the class

[shadow badger]

oh yeah everyone took quick draw though

fuck GS

[waxen oyster]

yeah kyrian dust build took ghostly

it was more of a maintenance debuff

[glad siren]

are those bubbling wax enchants worth doing? or are the enchants on the market better?

[waxen oyster]

its free

weigh dps vs your wallet

[shadow badger]

bring back dreadblades

[ashen scroll]

FACTS

[shadow badger]

i loved dreadblades

felt like outlaw had an actual cd

[waxen oyster]

i like how when they brought back dreadblades with cdr

[subtle tundra]

on a wax note, on queen ansurek while the boss was jumping to middle for intermission i proc wax
and it was on top of a fucking wave and i couldnt see it

[waxen oyster]

it got the rest of the spec's cdr nerfed

[subtle tundra]

i proc'd cheat death cause of fucking wax

[waxen oyster]

in the crossfire

[shadow badger]

yeah lmao

idk why they just didnt remove it from the cdr

[night cipher]

HEY! Bring back smoke bomb in pve and execute ambushes that proc DStalker

[shadow badger]

its fine for law to have a 1 min cd

[waxen oyster]

i logged in

saw it was on restless

[ashen scroll]

DF beta when outlaw had party wide CDR oh what could have been

[waxen oyster]

quickly was like

oh nononono

[shadow badger]

yeah i think people were more yelling about restless crew but the actual rogue players saw dreadblades on the cdr list and knew that was the real problem lmao

[waxen oyster]

df beta also had dance cdr

and you regularly had 5-6 buff

from cto

[shadow badger]

that was wild too x-x

[summer mist]

Im having a hard time getting energy what am i doing wrong in my rotation

[royal lantern]

nothing

[waxen oyster]

sin has downtime in st

[shadow badger]

nothing

[waxen oyster]

thats just the spec

[royal lantern]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[shadow badger]

i do miss SL when count the odds became a thing and the RTB buffs still felt like they held alot more weight so when you generated them with count the odds it actually felt good

now it feels like if you are not getting count the odds procs your just having a bad time

[waxen oyster]

neither sin or sub are terribly high outside their cds

lmao max conduit cto

with nelf

4 buff on pull every time

[shadow badger]

PEAK

imagine if KIR existed then HOLY

[royal lantern]

#outlaw btw 👋

[waxen oyster]

i miss manual bonespike honestly

[wise gull]

finally get into a 12 and fdk bricks the key second last pull

mists

i am sad

[waxen oyster]

it was our only fun cov ability

[runic terrace]

With the changes to TTK: Do we now spam Envenom if another is up or are we still like pooling to x seconds of the old one?

[balmy prism]

avoid fotm classes, 95% of them get to where they're at simply by existing and not having to know their class at all

[wise gull]

wasn't my group

[balmy prism]

oh

early morning my bad

[oak tangle]

is this why i dont get invited to keys

[wise gull]

we shrouded the first pack after second boss

[waxen oyster]

its ok i get invited after 5 minutes to 10s

[wise gull]

he died and released then tried to run back and pulled everything

actually trolling

[waxen oyster]

with 629 bags

[balmy prism]

lmao

[wise gull]

we had brez??

[solar wyvern]

Happens man, as they say, we go again

[waxen oyster]

check dk player

if he has a good mog

less likely fotm ape

[wise gull]

there is no go again I can't get into 12s

[balmy prism]

no mog no logs

[cunning basin]

do we know if they fixed flensing knives?

[waxen oyster]

i'd be impressed if they did

and not the laundry list of deathstalker bugs

that exist on sub

[solar wyvern]

If a 12 group is going well, i just ask the key holder if u wanna go 11 and fix key

Then go 12 again

Made me a lot of friends 🙂

[waxen oyster]

i just do 10s because average key player

not worth committing more of my declining free time

[wise gull]

the leader raged and told everyone to quit playing so

[balmy prism]

no point going higher if you're not going for r1 title tbh, just a headache tryna pug em

[wise gull]

i dont think that was happening lol

[solar wyvern]

Welp rip

[waxen oyster]

yeah i dont see a point in going higher

if im not going for title

[solar wyvern]

Fun is my reason tbu

Tbh

[wise gull]

it's pushing me to improve more that's my reason

ive basically never done m+

[solar wyvern]

High keys are genuinely fun so thats why I do em :p

[wise gull]

got all my portals s3 df that's it

[royal lantern]

i get you, but at the same time MANY of the "keys are fun" people are raging about keys 24/7, so im not sure if they actually have fun

[subtle tundra]

being challenged is a reason to play the game
same for playing for a rank 100 guild and a rank 1000 guild
completely different difficulty for the end boss

[wise gull]

i dont think i've ever raged about keys tbf

i feel like having a timed 12 would make it a lot easier to get into others too

[oak tangle]

same reason people like spicy food

[wise gull]

ah well

[dapper pumice]

honestly when i get to a point where my gear isnt getting better anymore, i start to lose interest

i play wow for the dopamine hit of getting item upgrades

[pseudo cosmos]

100% this

Can’t progress character am done games boring

[soft shale]

well they made it so you cant get top geared for 4 months

[strong sleet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[soft shale]

so maybe you loike it more?

[night cipher]

what do you mean? just gear the other rogues, maaaaan

[dim mural]

The new supercharged points just auto gives +2 on the finisher and is consumed? No need to finish on the charged point anymore?

[fast mural]

They say 6% single target, no buffs to AOE ?

[normal mist]

Even when upgrading hero pieces to 6/6?
Or myth to 6/6?

[subtle tundra]

well its not really a buff, there were reworks which happen to be buffs

[feral wasp]

bro how they buff arcane and frost dk is this real

[subtle tundra]

could've been a dps loss

just happens that the reworks are neutral for dslice

[pastel onyx]

more prio dmg with ttk tho, according to vid

me hit big mob

[subtle tundra]

all good until there is no big mob

hehe

[pastel onyx]

[balmy prism]

ye fair enough, I dont have the mental to pug and find friends that way and most of my friends ran away when we started doing 12s because of the initial brick wall

[subtle tundra]

i like the 12 brick wall cause its basically a big warning sign: youre just not that good

[balmy prism]

True, they gave up after the first pack in a NW 12

literally just logged off and didn't log back on

[normal mist]

Damn

[jagged niche]

The same can be said about assa

[quiet oar]

Thats why i dont play it

[subtle tundra]

i also got that warning
i was dying like a dog in my first 12s cause i hadnt pushed in some years

now i did more and im better

[quiet oar]

so i dont get that sign showne to me

[pearl ingot]

So let’s say my boss dmg in dungeons is subpar where would you start to improve could the problem alone be pooling? Assuming Cd usage and rotation is correct.

[subtle tundra]

pooling wont magically give you 10% dps or whatever

[slate crown]

I really fucking hope PTR is up tomorrow during maintenance please I’m so behind

[subtle tundra]

when youre told to pool its mostly like a 1% dps increase

[balmy prism]

ye pooling is pretty irrelevant on the bigger picture

[pearl ingot]

So it has to be something bigger. Thanks.

[balmy prism]

I'd look at your uptime

[subtle tundra]

our st dps is subpar in m+ if you compare to the actual good dps

[balmy prism]

any boss in particular you feel lacking on?

[subtle tundra]

like a dk gonna dumpster you

i think ele sham too

idk the meta that well

i play assa haha

[pearl ingot]

As well as an enhance but who should be behind me?

[subtle tundra]

the tank

[pearl ingot]

😅

[balmy prism]

spriest should beat you as well

[subtle tundra]

ofc depends on cds and shit

[pearl ingot]

Okay problem with dmg is not that bad

[subtle tundra]

if you have dm 40 sec into a boss and its a 2 min fight
and the other dps have on pull and have time to use again

youre gonna be so behind

thats the nature of m+

[pearl ingot]

Sounds like last boss stone vault :/

[subtle tundra]

ayo fuck that boss

cant believe it hasnt gotten a single fix

[balmy prism]

I enjoy healing it on hpal

[subtle tundra]

well dpsing it is actual hell

[balmy prism]

ye having to run out sucks

but I mean you have step up for every cleanse if you cloak second one

so you lose a bit of uptime but it's not horrible

[subtle tundra]

feint on cd, 50% melee uptime, always low hp

[dapper pumice]

hero 6/6, but i do 8 +10 misats every week for mythic vault

and i do first 2-4 bosses

on mythic

[pearl ingot]

Apropos defensives… what about the “book of shadows”think it was called like that(listed out defensive usage) but I can’t find it anymore. Have been in stealth for a while.

[subtle tundra]

cause its dead, didnt play cheat death unluck

[quiet oar]

I think Hero 6/6 isnt worth

when you get myth track items

due to raid

[sly blade]

Hey, just to be clear, I can equip 3 crafted 636, but only 2 of them with embellishments?

[quiet oar]

yes

exactly

[sacred schooner]

you can equip as many crafted as you want

[quiet oar]

you can even wear 10 crafted items

[sacred schooner]

even 10

[sly blade]

Okay, thank you very much!

[pearl ingot]

Oof, so there isn’t a list anymore where we can see which defensive is usefull dungeon specific?

[vale beacon]

for the last boss in ara kara, can I shadowstep to someone that's rooted?

[normal mist]

If you're getting to that point, you probably just need an alt now

[dapper pumice]

yeah my rogue is my alt 😄

main fdk

[normal mist]

I heard you can at the last second @vale beacon

[vale beacon]

ah ok

[normal mist]

I never tried it and usually play safe

[quiet oar]

Yes

Just need to wait for the "last" suck in

[vale beacon]

nice and ty

[delicate egret]

So warcraftlogs shows assa being really strong on rashanan, but when I was doing it last night I felt like I was really struggling. Are our rashanan logs "boosted" from letting adds live to funnel damage or something?

[quiet oar]

and shadowstep after that

[normal mist]

It seems you need another alt tank or healer hehehe

[subtle tundra]

assa is really strong on that fight even without adds
but putting adds in melee so spatter hits brings assa really high

[normal mist]

Not anymore afaik

[quiet oar]

i already have 11 alts !?

(they are jsut lvl 80)

[delicate egret]

Alright, must just be me misplaying then. Was my first raid on the rogue and starting straight in mythic was a preeetty steep learning curve hahah

[solid venture]

but dmg to adds isnt even counted in wcl

why would u even take spatter then

[cunning needle]

because adds still need to die

it's ethical

also dots ticking while it flies away gives good SS value or something

[solid venture]

if you are relying on an assa rogue to kill adds when u have dh's dk's and warriors

[cunning needle]

whatever that talent is

[dapper halo]

ethical, funny word

[solid venture]

then i got bad news for u

[balmy prism]

did raiderIO not send out an update today? Didn't get a curseforge update atleast

[normal mist]

Atleast on my heroic runs I don't take spatter
Adds die way too fast

[cunning needle]

yeah i don't either

[subtle tundra]

if thats your mentality, then i got bad news for you

just play caustic

id rather do slightly less on log than potentially wipe cause of me

[quiet oar]

I do on Queen

[cunning needle]

i do take it on mythic

[subtle tundra]

being a selfish prick

[quiet oar]

so i can get a good parse

to die

anyways

[normal mist]

I was talking Rashanan specifically

[tacit bramble]

no one takes it on ass for rasha

[quiet oar]

Oh yeah

Rashanan its bait

[tacit bramble]

not about being selfish, other classes clear them with st builds

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Whispyr's Plater

[quiet oar]

I mean

[subtle tundra]

swapping to caustic is not going to aoe build

[quiet oar]

Spatter doesnt even hit adds on rashanan

[solid venture]

top 50 assa parses are not using spatter

u are trolling

[subtle tundra]

ok bud

LOL

[quiet oar]

Wtf

[normal mist]

I take it everywhere but 3rd boss, 4th boss and princess

[quiet oar]

you know that adds

arent counted towards logs

on rashanan

[solid venture]

holy

[quiet oar]

the add dmg gets calculated out

[solid venture]

most delusional gamer

[dapper halo]

paddington is fun

[balmy prism]

On rash there's no point playing spat unless you have a dk grip for every spawn tbh

[quiet oar]

It literally isnt in the logs !?

add dmg on rashanan

[balmy prism]

yes it gets filtered out

doesn't count toward your %

but yeah, that shouldn't be your responsibility as a rogue

[subtle tundra]

you know you can spawn the adds in melee

[dapper halo]

why, cause "you cant paddington yourself to top dps neener neener"

[subtle tundra]

and spatter it

[quiet oar]

Tell that my ranges

they hate melees

and try to make it the hardest possible for melees

[dapper halo]

melee always gets more hate

[quiet oar]

Idk on rashanan you cant really cheeze it

[dapper halo]

it is what it is

[quiet oar]

so its fine

[balmy prism]

I just go full turbo zug on boss and ignore the adds on rash

[quiet oar]

parasites getting filtered out on ovinax is more reasonable

[subtle tundra]

idk i just like providing something useful to the raid

you do you

[final star]

Spatter isn't useful on rashanan if you play the fight correctly

[balmy prism]

I mean I have hunters, DKs, Warriors who literally kill the adds in ❤️ seconds

< 3*

[runic terrace]

As a non-native I have a really hard time to understand it😅 Do I spam Envenom if I have enough energy for TTK to procc and KB is not up in the next 6 seconds? Or do I like wait for the old Env to be at ~1 second?

[final star]

If adds are spawning in spatter range your raid are dropping them too close

[dapper halo]

i usually just spam fish cannon to ovinaks adds

[balmy prism]

and the way we spawn them spat doesn't reach

so literally no point, ergo I go full zug

[quiet oar]

exactly

[final star]

Always spawn outside the circle around the boss so you dont get knocked back

[cunning needle]

is splatter on you or on target?

[final star]

Target

[dapper halo]

do you ever use fok to get just one compopoint to do a finisher

[brave comet]

people were complaining i was popping the wrong egg on ovinx

am i not supposed to pop the closest eggs to the purple puddle or not?

[glacial crypt]

You pop the eggs in sets

[dapper halo]

we have assignments for eggs

[brave comet]

i popped the big one right next to the chalice, and the dps said i killed him for popping the tank spider

right, as i know 3-4-4 right?

but how do i know which is assigned to which?

[cobalt sphinx]

ask in raid chat

[glacial crypt]

The tank just needs to pick up the spider quicker you didn't kill anyone lmao

That's entirely down to how your raid is organised

[brave comet]

no one said anything, they refused to put down markers either

[dapper halo]

we have so good raidleader we dont basically need a boss mod

[quiet oar]

Fun fact

there are neutral for the first seconds

[brave comet]

they said everyone should know which one to pop

[quiet oar]

but start attacking players

[dapper halo]

i mean, our raid leader is like a sports commentator

[cobalt sphinx]

i think this is the standard pug strat

or standard pug groupings

i've usually seen them start top, right, left

rather than left top right

[brave comet]

ah

[cobalt sphinx]

one person stays out on the first round of pops in every zone

you go 3-4-4 3-4-4 3-4-4 eggs in each area

[brave comet]

according to the video i saw, it didnt really have an assignment like that

more that it said, that the puddle shouldnt reach the eggs

[final star]

Idk just break eggs nothing can wipe you anyway

[brave comet]

so destroy them before that happens

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that's the general strat

but i think that's the generally accepted grouping for heroic

[brave comet]

is that grouping easier somehow?

[final star]

It just breaks eggs closest to pool fastest

[cobalt sphinx]

it works so that's what they go with

it also avoids triple worms which is gonna be pretty tough on the group

[spare cradle]

Nie-ll are you asking about mythic or heroic?

[brave comet]

heroic

[shadow badger]

thats where your wrong i accidently broke a wrong egg and we killed the boss anyways and i got kicked after the kill because i fucked up 1 egg

[hot fulcrum]

I always do raid with pugs. And the best way to break eggs is when rl do marks + wa. So you have mark on you when you should break and you need to find egg with same mark

[spare cradle]

Is it a guild raid or a pug group?

[brave comet]

pug

[karmic gazelle]

Out of rogues specs what makes good dracthyr race ?

[hot fulcrum]

marks on eggs by rl + wa will add mark on you

[brave comet]

wa?

[hot fulcrum]

weakaura

[brave comet]

ah

[spare cradle]

Pugs are a bit random but unless you get instructions/markers, pop eggs closest to the creeping blood stuff.

An organised group moves the boss around and has specific eggs it wants to break with each set of debuffs.

[grim vigil]

sorry for noob question but whats better momentum of despair or follow the blood?

[cobalt sphinx]

momentum

i think momentum in all scenarios

[grim vigil]

some ppl run follow the blood thats why im asking, momentum sims better for me but stillw as curious

thx

[cobalt sphinx]

you are safe to follow the wowhead builds

[brave comet]

gotcha thank you all

[languid nymph]

are there any plater profiles or weakauras that help to track all these fckin dots on aoe pulls

[delicate egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[languid nymph]

o shid

[delicate egret]

yea

Does anyone know if there's any kind of assa POV videos of mythic nerubar?

[crude sequoia]

maybe some of casuals vods

not sure he even plays sin in those so can’t tell for sure

[shadow badger]

go watch exiles RWF vods

he played sin on every fight except the last 2

[feral wasp]

I dont get invited to +12s, when I try to do my own +12, it's depleted after the first pull most of the times, how do i progress

[shadow badger]

or you can watch whispyr prog bosses currently

[crude sequoia]

guild maybe

[shadow badger]

keep trying and be more stringent about who you invite lol

[subtle tundra]

you invite better players

[shadow badger]

when ive done my 12's ive not invited anyone who has not completed a 12 before

they dont understand the difference

but they are really fucking hard so its just gunna be difficult to get them timed anyways

so just expect to have them be bricked alot lol

[crisp stream]

The difference between 11 and 12 is big, I learned it the hard way by depleting N number of keys

Especially when you pug

[shadow badger]

i usually add the people i really like playing with from pugs so i know if someone i trust is in the group

also download the blacklister addon

and blacklist people liberally

[crisp stream]

The hardest part is dealing with the ego of people with high rating, they die once and immediately leave

[shadow badger]

yeah turn off chat lmao

[crisp stream]

XD

[shadow badger]

like league

./deafen

[royal lantern]

proving once again why m+ is a mistake

[shadow badger]

[subtle tundra]

best game addition since the launch of the game

[royal lantern]

sure thing grandma, now go to bed

[shadow badger]

idk bro warbanks are pretty nice

[obtuse robin]

and in 14 hours we can finally use them with patron orders

[royal vortex]

Yes but having actual content to play alts in is also pretty nice

[shadow badger]

W

ive got my faction change to a dragon ready too

[subtle tundra]

this grandma can throw hands

[obtuse robin]

dragon might be a net nerf for us

[shadow badger]

grandma gunna throw a fade

[subtle tundra]

bro what the fuck is a warbank

i barely know what a warband is

[shadow badger]

oh well i want the knockback and glide. ill lose the human spirit for that.

[shadow badger]

the bank that is combined and accessable by all your characters

[obtuse robin]

yeah u can buy boes from any server with it

and just put it in the bank

[shadow badger]

numerically it is but the mechanics you can cancel by having glide is crazy. the pull in on the intermission on queen, the last boss of ara kara. all great cheesable mechanics with glide.

[soft shale]

yea bough this ring this morning at 5 am for 740k

had to create a char in achimonde

used the secret strat

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

[soft shale]

just deposit on warband bank

[shadow badger]

yeah also your toons get a chance to get Warbound items from raid and M+ to trade to alts

[soft shale]

then withdraw on target server

[subtle tundra]

i dont know where this warband bank is

[shadow badger]

its in the bank

[subtle tundra]

i dont fucking get it aaa a aa

i havent used the bank since bfa

ok

[royal lantern]

varas when Basic game features

[shadow badger]

lol there was a big questline to get the warbank toy at the start of the xpac and your introduced to it in the dornagol tour

[normal mist]

Big as in do 3 quests

[subtle tundra]

bro i want to record the queen ansurek kill

get 30 million views on youtube

[normal mist]

Do it

[subtle tundra]

I CANT

fight is laggy af

[normal mist]

Fair

[daring hare]

just make a gif no one will notice

[shadow badger]

480p and post it to vimeo

[winged pumice]

yall reccomend bleed or hybrid for keys below 10? 😄

[subtle tundra]

im a big bleed build preacher

try it

see which fits you better

they have the same playstyle

just a different dmg profile

[winged pumice]

when i played the bleed build i felt like i was doing something wrong the whole time lol

gonna try it out rn

see how it goes

[shadow badger]

whats the difference between the bleed and hybrid build

[subtle tundra]

you still bleed and go in caustic

[shadow badger]

do you not take caustic in the bleed build?

[bronze pumice]

Both have

[pearl ingot]

!bookofshadows

[solar wyvern]

Idk maybe they just like seeing their number go up and not actually playing the game :p

If i wanna play a number go up game I'd just play cities skyline or something

[shadow badger]

is there ever a world that we go the other choice node from caustic with the increased carnage timer from subterfuge?

maybe im cooking too hard here

[subtle tundra]

nope never

[solar wyvern]

Internal bleeding? Aint no way

[subtle tundra]

caustic is way too strong and internal bleeding way too weak

both a caustic nerf and a ib buff would have to happen

and maybe then

[shadow badger]

i feel like IB should have an extra effect on it to contribute to aoe somehow

to increase the effectiveness of a exclusive bleed build

[subtle tundra]

bleeds will never be strong enough on their own with IC in the game

[solar wyvern]

It would have to pull mega weight, caustic is mega damage source in aoe

[shadow badger]

yeah i mean i dont know what they would do with it but they should figure out something for it IMO

buffing crimson tempest was a step in the right direction to quell caustics superiority

[solar wyvern]

Why is caustic being good a problem exactly?

[subtle tundra]

they dont compete at all

so it doesnt matter

you take both all the time in dungeons

[shadow badger]

dont think it necessarily is i just think caustic is kinda restrictive.

[subtle tundra]

problem is IC

bcs IC exists, you put bleeds out too fast

so theres nothing to do

and caustic is the only option

even if caustic was 20%

[shadow badger]

would putting caustic on a choice node with IC be an answer to our hypothetical problem?

[subtle tundra]

youd still caustic

[cobalt sphinx]

some bizarre meme that people picked up in this channel

[subtle tundra]

could be something

caustic for kb builds, ic for bleed buildso

[shadow badger]

yeah i just think that the capabilities of a true bleed build in aoe is squandered by caustic existing.

[solar wyvern]

No, cleave build without IC*** isnt even far behind. Unless IC got a rework you'd just never take it over caustic

[royal lantern]

a dot based spec not doing dmg with its dots but with "lol bladeflurry" is kinda cringe

[shadow badger]

^^^ couldnt put that into words but thats what i was thinking

[subtle tundra]

i wonder if feral will ever be good in m+....

[cobalt sphinx]

oh that's what it is, everyone is living in some multidot fantasy

[royal lantern]

like, spatter existing? sure

but why is bleeds literally 0dmg and everything is just CT and spatter

[subtle tundra]

but that fucking spec also got fucked in terms of dotting i think

back in bfa i used to have fun on it

[solar wyvern]

Thats actually pretty fair reasoning, whether I agree or not

[royal lantern]

you always have the weirdest fucking takes ngl

[shadow badger]

i mean our dots gotta do something and there has to be a easier way to spread them outside of IC in fights that last longer than ruptures duration

[subtle tundra]

cause this "fantasy" was how the spec was before df

[royal lantern]

like, just a dmg re-adjustment would allready help a bit

but like, you gotta remembrr

garrote is so fucking weak

you dont even use it in aoe

[shadow badger]

yeah garrote fucking blows

[solar wyvern]

Anytime you buff a bleed for aoe you buff ST, so what do you nerf? kB? Envenom? Melee autos?

[royal lantern]

people complained about ambush from stealth, meanwhile garrote is so weak that we didnt even play imp. garrote

like

bruh

wtf is going on

[subtle tundra]

you can buff bleed aoe with aoe conditionals

nothing revolutionary

look at ct

🙂

[solar wyvern]

Ala, each garrote applied increases garrote dam by X% i guess

[shadow badger]

they gotta break the Garrote spread portion from IC for garrote to be worth it in AOE

some alternate ability to be able to spread it

maybe just straight up rupturing applies garrote

[solar wyvern]

Nty i already am losing keybinds tommorow

[subtle tundra]

problem is, even if you didnt have ic youd still just dot a target, ct, go into kb

and only after that you can dot

cause caustic

haha!

[shadow badger]

scent of blood is probably a pretty good answer to cause you to want to rerupture things.

[cobalt sphinx]

what is the proposed alternative

fan rupture fan rupture fan rupture?

[misty kernel]

i tried to craft it int but couldnt i had alot from my dagger anlaaaaki 😦

[solar wyvern]

A proposed alternative is a major class rework tbh, and idk if they wanna do that after just touching sin in 10.2

[shadow badger]

i mean currently we are supposed to do that to keep scent up if the fight goes long enough but its kinda cringe

[shadow badger]

they just reworked arcane twice in a row why not

[south lava]

6 % buff effects on m+ or just for raid only

ST buff

[shadow badger]

look to the right of it

[midnight atlas]

this convo sound like the drunkards on my street corner talking about politics and how they would make the world better

[cobalt sphinx]

no effect on m+

[solar wyvern]

Simple, we're not mage so we don't get privilege

[shadow badger]

TRUE

or frost dk

[solar wyvern]

But thats not a rogue thing, thats an everyone thing

[shadow badger]

who just got their already great hero talent tree reworked becuase why not

id still take 3 new hero talent trees for rogue these ones suck balls

thematically DS And fatebound are fine but holy everything else gotta go

[subtle tundra]

wait people got their talent trees reworked?

and we didnt?

what

[shadow badger]

lol

[subtle tundra]

blizz im coming

[cobalt sphinx]

i think they wanted to cut down on this

[subtle tundra]

california was it?

[solar wyvern]

Hes exaggerating a bit i think

[subtle tundra]

can visit kevin and whispyr while at it

[solar wyvern]

Fdk didnt get "reworked" just touched on

[subtle tundra]

whispyr getting surprise romanian at his house

[cobalt sphinx]

frost dk has all-time variance on live

more than all casino specs

[solar wyvern]

Reapers mark just made less weird

[shadow badger]

they got like 8 talents changed its basically a rework without changing scythe

[solar wyvern]

They'll get aura nerfed next week most likely

[shadow badger]

same thematic but workds better now

feel like that shoulda been a class that needed it

[honest pelican]

Just let my mutilate hit 5 targets and give me cleave on envenom. Fab or knives applies ruptur/garrote/dp. 3 charges of vanish baseline with a talent that adds 1 charge + reduces cd by 30s/2 charge 60 second reduction ty

[autumn remnant]

well caustic spatter

[shadow badger]

removed

ez

[subtle tundra]

why dont my melees hit every target in front of me?

please add that

[shadow badger]

SnD should make us cleave auto tbh

[honest pelican]

That wouldn't be bad i guess but I never looked how much our melee really does

[cobalt sphinx]

they kinda do

[solar wyvern]

Hi guys, blizzard developer here! We heard you don't like spatter, so we've removed it and put in a new talent. Green Powder. A finisher like envenom that does aoe damage around you, reduced after 8! Thats all for rogues toodles

[subtle tundra]

ok that was clearly a fucking troll suggestion

[shadow badger]

hey guys we heard you guys like that we added blade flurry to sub so we are adding it to sin too!!! see you guys next expansion!

[subtle tundra]

? we got blade flurry in df

[solar wyvern]

Well tbh, its the other way around

Sub got it last lol

[honest pelican]

Give me back my 8yd range melee

[shadow badger]

trickster gives sub blade flurry

[solar wyvern]

Keep dreaming

[shadow badger]

outlaw has had since legion rework

[solar wyvern]

We got caustic in DF

[shadow badger]

yeah but its not directly called blade flurry so

[solar wyvern]

Neither is nimble flurry

[shadow badger]

shhhhh

[solar wyvern]

U silly goose

[shadow badger]

lol they shoulda made nimble give outlaw double blade flurry

that wouldnt be broken at all

[solar wyvern]

True

[rotund oak]

who is kevin

[subtle tundra]

my long distance relationship

[rotund oak]

hugzets on whispyr though

ah nice

[shadow badger]

ill just stand outside whispyrs window until he releases a new video about sin theory crafting

[honest pelican]

13 hours until us realms can open vault

[barren island]

You wish

[subtle tundra]

no cap i hate that we get buffed in raid

means when we get nerfed it will nerf our m+ aswell, which wasnt buffed

[shadow badger]

how so

[barren island]

Bro, we didn't became gods

[solar wyvern]

Yeah I fully expect a 2-4% aura nerf

[barren island]

Lol

[solar wyvern]

Just because blizzard sees rogue above 1% playrate

[shadow badger]

they can def nerf our st without toucing aoe

[subtle tundra]

my problem is them nerfing st and our st in m+ is dogass

[cobalt sphinx]

fury warrior wishes they had that kind of finesse

[shadow badger]

they did a good job at doing the opposite when they changed the tier set

[barren island]

Fury warrior was doing like almost double dps than ppl on raid

We are kinda far from it

[shadow badger]

warrior in general is being punished for not being dks

[barren island]

Cant compare

[cobalt sphinx]

warrior got thrown in the trash because it was perfect for a couple of the fights

and it's been there

in the dumpster

[barren island]

Yeah, it was insane in some fights

We are not insane

And we won't be lol

[shadow badger]

we are def insane on silken court

sub is at least

[barren island]

No it's not

War was doing 50% sometimes double the dmg of other classes

We are not

[spring sigil]

I feel like i do shite all on ass with silken court 😅

[shadow badger]

@barren island rogue averaging higher on silken rn, pre nerf.

[icy acorn]

ever since its removed i feel like my character doesnt have forearms

[spring sigil]

What sort of dps do you guys do on SC ?

[barren island]

Yes?

[spring sigil]

You mean you don't enjoy having to give bosees a cavity search to attack it

[shadow badger]

yes

so rogue is better than warrior on silken

[barren island]

That's good, not INSANE lol

Far from what war was doing

Who tf is comparing rogue and war at silken

Wut

[shadow badger]

you just did

[barren island]

No?vlmao

[spring sigil]

Oh jeez my highest dps on silken was 1.4m 🤢

[barren island]

On the fights that warrior was shining, where you readed silken there?

[solar wyvern]

Ngl I feel like being able to inflate your details on ansurek roots did not justify the warrior nerf, much like outlaw did not justify the nerf on week 1 either

[shadow badger]

you responded to the silken comment with this exact statement

[severe canyon]

I got an assa question. When not being able to engage packs in m+ from stealth, is the best play to spread rupture manually or go for caustic spatter set up?

[barren island]

War was insane cuz was pulling 50% / 100% more dps than some classes

Sin isn't pulling 50%more dps than shit

[solar wyvern]

Depends on key level, and pack survival length. If you can get 5 scent stacks and a full KB, rupture manually first. Since 20% agi is mega

If pack dies in 15 seconds KB and spread

[severe canyon]

KB?

[cobalt sphinx]

get 5 ruptures out and then set up spatter, 18 globals

[solar wyvern]

Kingsbane

[severe canyon]

Ahhhh. What about sudden demise?

[solar wyvern]

What about it?

[severe canyon]

Not worth for smaller packs?

[cobalt sphinx]

sudden demise is the automatic execute passive

are you talking about something else

[solar wyvern]

SD is passive

[cobalt sphinx]

crimson tempest?

[severe canyon]

Yes, but i believe its via the rupture spread?

[cobalt sphinx]

you ignore sudden demise entirely

[spring sigil]

So what's our 6% ST increase actually coming from tomorrow?

[cobalt sphinx]

ttk

[subtle tundra]

its not something you care

it just happens

[severe canyon]

Alrighty, thanks mate

[solar wyvern]

157% envenom uptime basically

[severe canyon]

I never even considered KB caustic. I just spammed envenoms

[spring sigil]

Ahhhhh right

[icy acorn]

overcharging darkest night full cp envenoms are going to geel real good

[cobalt sphinx]

set up your ui to track amplifying poison stacks

surely it's worth it

[solar wyvern]

Nah theres no way you'd play around that

Unless you're playing for big dopamine number

Then 1000% value

[languid frigate]

For M+ it doesn't look like much of a change? We lose Echoing for an extra point in Lethality?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah nothing changes in m+ unless someone cooks a ttk build i think

MA might be interesting in low keys

[subtle cipher]

You people dont know the meaning of insane, fury was doing a lot more dps than everybody. Rogue is so "insane" in silken that there isnt a single one on top 100 lmao

[cobalt sphinx]

idk how you'd fit it though

[shadow badger]

who you callin you people

[subtle cipher]

You

[solar wyvern]

You stinky rogues!

[languid frigate]

How do we feel about macroing tea to shiv now. Looks like Whisprs latest video gave us the okay lol

[shadow badger]

Blasted rogues!!!

[subtle cipher]

"Insane" aka not a single one on top 100

[shadow badger]

if i sort by rogues there are 100 rogues in top 100 actually

[solar wyvern]

Its a .2% difference. Unless you're playing rank 1 definitely fine to do

[solar wyvern]

[noble nymph]

do we again vanish the last 6 seconds of KB for master assassin? or just at pandemic range during deathmark?

[languid frigate]

Isn't there going for be a few awkward shivs where we run out of Tea though?

[normal mist]

Maybe

[solar wyvern]

Probably, manually doing it will always be better

But its ease of access

[shadow badger]

just refill your cup

[solar wyvern]

Smh sin players not boiling their kettle mid key to refill on tea

[languid frigate]

I've been doing it wrong all along. An IV drip of tea for infinite energy seems like the new tech

[solar wyvern]

Hes become too powerful, we need to take him down

[cobalt sphinx]

hard to identify the impact, i'm not even sure if new tea is even implemented in simcraft

not much you can do about it though

[languid frigate]

Is there an internal CD for tea? I often run pretty dry on higher key bosses. I feel like the auto popping tea might drain all my charges pretty quick.

[torn dome]

does teh cut to the chase change me no longer need to actively "activate" SnD and it'll auto cast when we 1st envenom?

[shadow badger]

ye

remove it from your bars

[torn dome]

nice

so 2 less buttons xD

SnD and TT

[shadow badger]

3

[torn dome]

and ER?

[shadow badger]

ye

[torn dome]

imba

[noble nymph]

can someone clarify? :)

[cobalt sphinx]

seems like simcraft randomly gains the thistle_tea buff whenever it uses shiv but doesn't gain the energy

that's sick

[noble nymph]

so just refresh garrote in pandemic range - thx!

[shadow badger]

👍

[tender cedar]

What Stands ttk for again?

[spring sigil]

For silken court is it right to literally just switch between the two bosses keeping rupture up and then just focusing whatevers up at the time with usual rotation+ kb + dm?

[formal harness]

Yoyo, will it be a thing for assa rogues to roll for a dracthyr? Like extra CC and mastery sounds good doesnt it?

[shadow badger]

yes

[shadow badger]

its probably a net negative but the utility is nice and you can cheese mechanics with glide

inevitably play what you want its barely a difference.

[formal harness]

ye ok aight. ty sir ^^

[mortal crystal]

Twist the Knife

[normal mist]

I wonder if visage dracthyr will pop wings every time they glide

Or if it will be just a random jump forward

How do they work currently, does anyone know?

(tldr do wings pop out during glide on human form?)

[elder prism]

Guys, stupid question

If there are two Sin Rogues in Raid

do we benefit from other Rogue using Shiv?

[soft shale]

nope

[faint path]

Nothing is changed for m+ if we dont take changed talents right?

[royal lantern]

some minor sparkle effect

[elder prism]

I have a Shiv WA that tracks Shiv on Boss, and for some reason always tracks other Rogues usuing Shiv which throws me off

[royal lantern]

like, priest levitate

[faint path]

For hybrid build I mean

[normal mist]

Boring

[shadow badger]

im gunna change into a dragon and never leave visage form

im happy i dont have to

i want it solely for glide and buffet i dont wanna look like a dumbass dragon

[normal mist]

I thought about it

[shadow badger]

ive purchased my faction change already

[normal mist]

Faction?

You mean race right

[shadow badger]

No I’m gunna change factions too

[normal mist]

Oooh okay okay

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/love-derg-dragon-scalie-scale-gif-20472128

[shadow badger]

I’m not a scaley I’m just here for the abilities

[royal lantern]

mate, you scare me

cus like, how do you know that stuff

[royal lantern]

i mean, what did you expect really?

[tender cedar]

ty mate

[rotund oak]

ive swapped to mechagnome and i find it cute but nothing compares to Human

just so u know where u all stand compared to Human supremacy

[shadow badger]

I’m currently a human

[jagged niche]

Does anyone have a good envenom buff weakaura?

[shadow badger]

I know all about it

I’ll be sitting in female visage form

As a human

[rotund oak]

swapping to dragon from human

is a grave sin

[shadow badger]

lol

[rotund oak]

thousands times worse than becoming a gnome

[shadow badger]

My paladin is a human so I gave myself the leeway to move one of my 7 human characters to dragon

[rotund oak]

mine as well,she is gorgeous

[shadow badger]

All armor looks best on humans

Known fact

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jagged niche]

I only really Need envenom, I Could ofc download a package and delete everything except that

[royal lantern]

mf acts as if everyone here is not just using a full set anyway

[bronze pike]

You want the rembourrage lore?

[jagged niche]

Thought someone maybe has it

[celest crescent]

Are there any predictions whether we have something good from the new BRD raid? I know it’s just hero track, but maybe some overprocking trinket or a weapon?

[quiet oar]

I dont, i use everything from the CM set but no the head

so its technically not a fullset

[real pike]

@my homies over the pond, thoughts on updated sin play? satisfying as it looks?

[royal lantern]

not really

[shadow badger]

I put work into not using full sets but they look so good for rogue

[royal lantern]

what updated play

nothing changed lol

[royal lantern]

oh boy

[bronze pike]

Your boy used to be a very successful anonymous furry artist

That got paid a lot for drawing this stuff

[real pike]

Well SnD gone but I'm not bothered about that, more the extra energy and overlapping envenoms?

[subtle tundra]

its worse

[real pike]

stop it

[subtle tundra]

46 apm was the dream

[normal mist]

Wings

[real pike]

reroll arms?

[normal mist]

Like dh wings

[subtle tundra]

stay outlaw pls

[real pike]

I'm not outlaw 🤣 yellow is for combat

[subtle tundra]

K

[bronze pike]

[jagged niche]

Tbh the changes Are good for the majority of players

Less min/Max but its w/e

[bronze pike]

Unfortunately

[real pike]

oh fuck shit guess I better go play Outlaw for the first time in months, no choice

[subtle tundra]

yea about that... ttk

[agile wedge]

i mean whats the point about griefing forever about changes to any class. you either take it and play or you dont. i will never understand prob 😄