assassination

[earnest remnant]

when i got told to add one to metho

method*

i didn't even respond to them

[normal mist]

Mods ban Vaeira

[earnest remnant]

i just added a reaction

with

[normal mist]

LOL

[honest needle]

@normal mist i read it i dont see it saying fi sin will still be good or if it will fall behind other specs

[normal mist]

How long is whispyrs YouTube video

[subtle tundra]

@earnest remnant how the fuck am i supposed to do queen tonight when im on 5hr of sleep and ill be awake for 15hrs when raid starts
dont have time to nap

this is doomed

sunday raid cucked me

[earnest remnant]

be like me?

eternally tired

[subtle tundra]

built diff?

[earnest remnant]

without sleep

[normal mist]

It seems that overall it's a neutral change in m+, sims wise

[sharp viper]

copious amounts of caffeine

[earnest remnant]

i was awake for 42 hours when we killed princess

and i was listening to something called shamsen rock

[subtle tundra]

idk if i should skip uni, would kinda suck to

[earnest remnant]

to not feel trired

[honest needle]

@normal mist u think other rogue specs will b better

[subtle tundra]

do i skip uni for wow.....

aaaaa

[crude sequoia]

no

[sharp viper]

that shit slaps though

[normal mist]

I don't give 2 shits about other specs brother

[earnest remnant]

do you have lectures today?

[normal mist]

I can't play them

[golden loom]

imagine going to lectures

[subtle tundra]

i dont attend lectures regardless, its a seminar

[earnest remnant]

ah

[sharp viper]

but you can play assassination?

[normal mist]

I'm either playing assassination or I'm not playing @honest needle

[subtle tundra]

its python i can do that at home

or?

[grand coyote]

What will be the state on Scent of Blood for 11.0.5?
Considering we need 10 stacks to cap out the buff with each stack going from 4% to 2%

[earnest remnant]

unironically just take a sick day

and get some sleep lol

can always read up

[normal mist]

I didn't see this change anywhere

[earnest remnant]

what you missed

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah wait is that real

[subtle tundra]

true im going straight home huge nap

[cobalt sphinx]

Scent of blood

[normal mist]

Are you sure you're just not 1/2?

[normal mist]

Barely

[earnest remnant]

he is looking at 1 out of 2

[subtle tundra]

thats misinformation

[grand coyote]

yeah I am stupid 😛

[earnest remnant]

its still 4%

[grand coyote]

disregard all I said

[normal mist]

[sullen mural]

How do u even get that info

[normal mist]

By not reading properly

[subtle tundra]

yea mistakes happen!

[normal mist]

To be fair

It's actually normal

[earnest remnant]

yeah like me being born

its an honest mistake

[normal mist]

Damn

[subtle tundra]

yeah like me getting a fucking job

[earnest remnant]

dw my problems started a long time ago

Roughly 9713 days

ago

[subtle tundra]

woah youre 26

my sister is 26 today!

[brisk forge]

Barley lived

[bronze pike]

gnomegnomegnome

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-crawly-crawlygnome-gif-12803879446384174011

[sharp viper]

our resident gnomes will love queen fight (once/if we get there)

[honest pelican]

still a day away, i want my vault

then we got looong downtime tuesday

[honest needle]

@normal mist i dont mind outlaw but i hate sub u gotta play perfect to do good dmg u messup your dance u screwed

[hard garnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[honest needle]

i like cev plater soemtimes pops up to big what plater do u guys like the best ?

i need 1 that tracks my combo points

on maeplates

nameplates

[summer mist]

Will patch launch tomorrow or on reset

[kindred imp]

Im trying to sim Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension + Wirthing Armor Banding on belt/bracers instead of 2X Dawnthread lining. But Sim doesnt have DS:A on the list? :? any idea anyone?

[honest needle]

wait does new rogue changes go into affect this tuesday or the followwing week ?

[cunning basin]

i hope whispyr is okay, i know its a tough time for him right now, i wont tag him but if you see this whispyr i love you

you're the best

[honest needle]

what happen to whisp ?

[cunning basin]

sims

its that time of patch

[ripe carbon]

goes on weapon + writhing armor banding i believe?

[kindred imp]

ah that would make sense 😄 thx

[honest pelican]

those plater profiles, can you load them with existing ones like jundies?

[jaunty dew]

I wonder how annoying its going to be to reapply Stalker Mark without ER

[grim jay]

@balmy condor really nice video as always fam, greatly appreciated. Hope you are doing good

[grim jay]

This week

[grim jay]

Wdym? They are entirely different profiles if thats what you mean

[grim jay]

Always reset

[grim jay]

I use Whispyrs. You can just find one you like and put in the CP yourself

[honest pelican]

gotcha, wasnt sure since back in DF there was some snippets to import for pandemic timers and colors for rupture spreading

[final star]

what is the specific usage of transmitter as assa in keys

is it with DM

on cd

or both

[honest needle]

@grim jay i dont kno how to turn combo points on - on the plater

[grim jay]

With dm afaik

Just like skardyns

[final star]

just looking at example sims and it doesn't do that

[grim jay]

Same, never used CP on targets, but im sure there is something on Google

Or at the very least in the plater discord

[grim jay]

Think that was a topic somewhere already and I can definitely see why that might be a decent option

You kinda waste some casts over the dungeon and since we always have damage

Might aswell use it

[final star]

Yeah, I'd still rather just use skardyn's

but my transmitter is 639

but the minigame in keys is so much worse than it is in raid

[grim jay]

Definitely, on some dungeons and in some places its just kinda wild even with proper placement

Like aiming it at a safe spot in batol, mechanic comes so you cant collect and the orb drifts off over the edge

[silk bane]

fwiw casual plays skardyn an transmitter and sends one with kb evry time

[final star]

yeah I know

I'm not pushing keys at all so going for ease of use for now

[grim jay]

Sounds kinda wild

[final star]

skardyn's + dawnbreaker trinket thing is easy peasy

[grim jay]

Ye for sure, im using hero track knife currently tho

Sims higher on both ST and dslice than the dungeon trinkets on hero track

I doubt double on-use is really good/worth in most cases

[glossy light]

Does shiv empower caustic splatter aoe damage?

[final star]

This is my current gear

ignore being a gnome

I have 639 transmitter and 626 mandate too

[thin plinth]

hi guys, when to expect these changes to come into play ?

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/eu/20th-anniversary-celebration-update-notes-24145980

[grim jay]

The mythic wings
We didnt get one to drop yet

[final star]

I got it from vault

[fading mason]

im so ready to go full fatebound

[nimble tartan]

! fuu

[grim jay]

Might aswell do it now bcs the diff is the same

[bleak spoke]

are ptr sims bricked right now or did i mess something up

[jaunty dew]

Day after tmr

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[kindred hinge]

It's not though, Deathstalker too tanky

[tacit otter]

check sub pins, maybe it helps

[grim jay]

How does that change the fact that fatebound vs deathstalker will be roughly the same diff next patch as it is now

Not at all?

[kindred hinge]

And it still doesnt change that fatebound was already close and not played because DS is objectively better due to tankiness ? The closing up of an already small gap will not change that

[grim jay]

But thats not even remotely the question

Or in any way related

[kindred hinge]

Well you are wrong 🙂

[bleak spoke]

flensing

evasion wall

phys cloak is probably a meme

[kindred hinge]

Evasion so good now

[grim jay]

Idk if you cant get the question and the answer in essence you might aswell not answer at all.
He said he wants to play fatebound with the patch
I said fatebound vs deathstalker is the same than as it is now, so if he really wants to he can do that now just as well.
You being obnoxious and throwing in weird stuff that has nothing to do with either the fact that the comparison remains largely unchanged nor him obviously wanting to play fatebound

But ngl, your reaction already shows that its not worth arguing with you in the first place

[bleak spoke]

if someone is dead set on playing fatebound i envy them

cuz sometimes the mark is so fried

[grim jay]

Its kinda decent if you really need it, but do you really need it somewhere?

[bleak spoke]

that's why i think it's a bit of a meme

[grim jay]

Yeah

[bleak spoke]

i can't think of many places i can use it and like

not want cloak soon

you know what i mean

lots of magic dam in this dungeon set

[kindred hinge]

And agin you are purposely being dense. Because it is still not the same. DPS difference was already inexistant, you don't play DS for that. The patch change absolutely nothing as to why Fatebound is not play.
Now If you want to play it, no issue there, people play what they want but let not say that this patch change anything 🙂

[grim jay]

Same, gotta overlook so many good things for that decision

[grim jay]

Considering I exactly said that

You are insanely dense

For calling ne dense for it

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/OMh6sdG.png does this reset out of combat

i imagine it must

[kindred hinge]

W/e talking to a wall is always a loss of time 🙂

[grim jay]

Thats what I literally said above, you are like this on multiple occasions, you cant get it if you are wrong and absolutely off topic, while saying the same at the end and still thinking its different as you dont get the context at all, so

[bleak spoke]

also, intent to kill step having longer cd is like actively detrimental i think

https://i.imgur.com/zvGqE84.png this thing

[grim jay]

Idk much about how fatebound plays, but I imagine it behaves like your flip buff

[cobalt sphinx]

fatebound is trash

[bleak spoke]

like maybe? maybe? maybe? it's good for some pvp setups

[cobalt sphinx]

if it was playable people would play it

[bleak spoke]

but like

you have 2 charges of step already

[grim jay]

Some masochists do

[grim jay]

Its kinda good if you wanna minimize downtime with stepping out and back in after you drop a puddle

Or need to step for a kick and step back

But then again the cdr with deathstalker is probably better

[solar wyvern]

Do we have a broodtwister cook for tuesday? Drop dashing scoundrel for twist the knife? Same as before? Drop CT? I'm curious

Drop sbs?

[sinful elk]

Feels dreadful being in ST spec for trash in raid.. unless im missing something entirely 😐

[bleak spoke]

9 seconds of cdr on step with every three finisher casts is actually so nuts if you think about it

[grim jay]

You can just respec inbetween

[novel star]

definitely not drop ct

[lone lava]

It didnt state in the patch notes, but i see that Symbolic Victory is buffed from 15>18% on the ptr build. Would this play any good with the upcoming changes to Supercharger? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

probably not

[novel star]

my guess would be you just get CT with the imp gar and MA points

but i don’t know

ttk dashing just seem too good

[lone lava]

I want those 10+ mil envenoms

[bleak spoke]

possibly worth checking on sim in pure single i guess

doubt it's better even in that scenario

[solar wyvern]

Yeah so many good talents, not enough points

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/TKSOzjH.jpeg

drop higher poison chance for ttk

maybe

[balmy condor]

symbolic victory is 2.5-3% behind lingering in single target

going from 15->18%

is entirely worthless

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/TB6sQ3v.png this probably contributes more to poison application than the poison chance

on smallies on brood i mean

[balmy condor]

supercharger would need to do a lot of heavy lifting and require specific gameplay

so

the chance that it can make up for a huge gap like that

[bleak spoke]

oh if it's not even competitive on single it's just unplayable i guess

[balmy condor]

is unlikely to near impossible

[bleak spoke]

maybe if we got a tier set that was like "increase envenom when deathmark is active by a gorillion"

something like that could possibly be fine

[lone lava]

I see

[bleak spoke]

but yeah i think on brood probably can drop improved poisons without much of a hit to your actual poison application with fok

[balmy condor]

What about brood?

I missed the convo

[grim jay]

They asked for the new build

With ct

[wet dagger]

56% of assass rogues taking MA on Princess?

[normal mist]

Just finished watching the video, thanks for the info

[novel star]

How 2 take ct

[mint valve]

wait scent of blood needs 10 targets now?

[solar wyvern]

Nah I asked what the cook for brood is with ttk and MA buffs

[novel star]

no

wowhead tooltip just shows 1/2 scent

[solar wyvern]

I just spitballed some random talent drops, CT is probably not the best choice to push off the top of my head tho haha

[novel star]

CT is insanely good on mythic brood

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ofc

[novel star]

you probably cut ig ma

yea thought so

that or doomblade sbs

[balmy condor]

It’s just the same build

But ttk

You swap out improved poisons for VERY IMPROVED POISONS (ttk)

[solar wyvern]

Figures, sometimes some weird shit is cooked up tho so figured I'd ask

Thx bois

[bleak spoke]

if i were personally progging i would go with blindside over ttk just cuz having blindside makes me feel powerful, even if only by placebo

err

not ttk

ttb

[royal lantern]

*poison

you only improve envenom, not all poisons

[balmy condor]

What

[novel star]

no blindside gaming

[novel star]

what does envenom improve

[normal mist]

Your mama

[royal lantern]

not my sleep

[novel star]

W

[bleak spoke]

"I am proccing a billion ambushes we are killing this boss" is a real feeling i get

even if it's not real

[balmy condor]

You press a lot of foks, ttb is big spider damage

[novel star]

honestly yea makes sense

[balmy condor]

Like on the triple spider set in second area

I press shiv

[novel star]

u slam shivs outside kb on that boss right

[balmy condor]

2.5mil

[novel star]

yeh

noted

[bleak spoke]

wait the cast itself is owning for you?

i guess that makes sense

it does aoe

[novel star]

arterial momentge

[balmy condor]

Yeh lightweight + arterial + ttb

Shiv does more than envenom on 5 targets

Well not counting caustic obv

[subtle tundra]

yeaaaaaaaa its good on queen aswell

[bleak spoke]

still can't figure out a way to get that setup with a point of scent without dropping dashing

[balmy condor]

Why the fuck would you play scent

[subtle tundra]

had to choose between dashing and ttb and its clear

[novel star]

why would you want scent let alone one point of it

when the hell do you have 10 ruptures out

[balmy condor]

That sounds so miserable lmao

[novel star]

this brotha spreading the 7th rupture when everything is dead

crying

[balmy condor]

If the choice is ttb or dashing, you go dashing

[grim jay]

Dont you guys pull the trash on the way into the boss?

[bleak spoke]

especially on a fight with so much stuff

i mean you dont need all 10 for it to have some value yeah

[solar wyvern]

Parasites die insta

[balmy condor]

When are you multidotting on ovi’nax though

[solar wyvern]

Spiders die fast

[novel star]

to have more value than another better talent yea

[solar wyvern]

Worms die fast idk

[subtle tundra]

wrong cause ttb cleaves

[novel star]

cause it forces u to change gameplay to some dogshit

[bleak spoke]

it's probably more annoyin than it's worth

[bronze pike]

Time for me to gear up the pirate

[novel star]

silken tomb parsing

[subtle tundra]

on roots, adds in intermission, a lot in p3

[bronze pike]

Should I ride fotm train for insta ques?

And swap to outlaw last second when in group

[balmy condor]

Okay well next week

[bleak spoke]

tbh why not ct

[subtle tundra]

if im on queen next week then that means my guild implodes

and explodes

[solar wyvern]

Omw to convince raid to not break tombs so i can parse

6head

[bronze pike]

I wish I can parse

[subtle tundra]

theres a set where people dont all immune

in melee

and needs to be broken

[bleak spoke]

value

[novel star]

ye but like

[bleak spoke]

but also like on platforms

[novel star]

how much dmg r u actually doing on that set

with ur shivs

[subtle tundra]

buddy

[bleak spoke]

but also liike probably actually on p3

gotta pad gotta pad gotta pad

[novel star]

[solar wyvern]

My fdk slapped me with his obliterate and said shutup im breathing ice

[subtle tundra]

in prog we had problems on those

we needed dps

in p2 on platfors

we had problems on dps

its mythic all dmg is important

[bleak spoke]

cuz no one wants to send mostly

[subtle tundra]

holy shit

[bleak spoke]

i'm assumin

but you need dmg

or people start getting sacked out randomly

[subtle tundra]

last phase i use kbs, therefore shiv, during spiderlings

so it cleaves

[hollow elk]

Btw playing with 2 Supercharger points and Forced Induction seems to be way easier than 2 points in lethality no?

[subtle tundra]

why am i arguing this with people that wont see queen mythic

[bleak spoke]

forced induction and lethality and both completely passive

you won't notice either

[novel star]

i mean u know ur comp better than i do obv

[bleak spoke]

so always go with whatever does more dmg

[novel star]

just asking

[hollow elk]

well if you only play 1 supercharger point u will sometimes want to stall to enhance ur darkest night envenom

[novel star]

what

[hollow elk]

if you have 2 enhances envenoms that would probably not be the case

[novel star]

you cant stall that’s not an option

[bleak spoke]

that's a sim question

[hollow elk]

as for the raidbots rotation

[royal lantern]

i will

in like 3 months

but hey, 2% broodtwister wipe yesterday

[bleak spoke]

lethality real good

[hollow elk]

thats what i have seen atleast

[novel star]

you don’t press shiv differently than current rotation im pretty sure maybe i am wrong tho

[bleak spoke]

all my ptr sims hate forced induction

[hollow elk]

mine are better with forced

[subtle tundra]

yea and you will have 20% dps buff and 638 ilvl and boss will get 2 more nerfs

[hollow elk]

like 1k better than lethality

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yescat-cat-nodding-nod-gif-21702876

[bleak spoke]

weird

wonder if it's like 2leth+1supercharger vs. forced

[hollow elk]

it is

[bleak spoke]

in terms of value

[hollow elk]

and for me forced looks better

atleast in ST

[bleak spoke]

tbh it's all within gear variance probs

[bronze pike]

Double vanish for sure

[balmy condor]

Well yeah with lethality bugged

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

Not hard to see why fi sucks

[bronze pike]

How is lethality bugged ?

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane double dips it

[bronze pike]

Oh

That’s

Hm

[subtle tundra]

🤤 double dip me

shit

[bleak spoke]

double dip deez

[hollow elk]

why does it suck

[balmy condor]

^

[hollow elk]

well how does that make it "suck"

[balmy condor]

Well you see

[subtle tundra]

cause lethality has increased value

[bleak spoke]

by virtue of not being lethality

[balmy condor]

When a talent does more than it’s supposed to

It’s good

Which makes everything else bad

Cause when we compare things using language like “good”

It’s implied that there’s a comparison happening

[royal lantern]

comparison with what?

[balmy condor]

So things being better

Makes it “bad”

[bronze pike]

Reported

[balmy condor]

[bleak spoke]

we're comparing forced induction with lethality for the last point (probably last 2)

[bronze pike]

We’ll get it fixed guys

[balmy condor]

Reported for English lesson

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

Blizzard has known for a while

[glossy light]

Does shiv empower splatter aoe dmg?

[novel star]

no

[bronze pike]

When fix then

[glossy light]

Well then im wasting global whole season

[bleak spoke]

you're also murdering your kb target, in some cases

[glossy light]

Thats even worse

[orchid pewter]

Dw, insanely huge prio damage

Thats a good cope

[hollow elk]

1,531M does this damage number from ur ST sims take the lethality bug into account

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/cvGiKBF.png

[hollow elk]

cause FI simmed like 1k higher for me in that case

[glossy light]

Real af

[bleak spoke]

tbh i think deathmarking is sometimes just counterproductive in key

[glossy light]

Im always coping that it wont happen on +7, then +10, then +11 And Now it happens on +12

[bleak spoke]

like you stack the kb faster

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s why it’s taking 2x lethality in the first place

[glossy light]

Bet it wont happen on +13

[bleak spoke]

idk it was happening to me at 12 pretty consistently

[hollow elk]

well FI sims higher for me

[bleak spoke]

depends on group i guess

[hollow elk]

1.532

[bleak spoke]

if you play with aug then it won't happen probably

[glossy light]

Then key wont happen

Kek

[balmy condor]

Okay and what’s the error margin on your sim

[subtle tundra]

holy moly

[orchid pewter]

Tbf it only really happens in staunvault first pack where the big guy decides to be half hp

[subtle tundra]

1k dps giga minmax optimized

[hollow elk]

gotta check

[balmy condor]

Don’t bother

[hollow elk]

prolly 1k :D

[balmy condor]

It’s within error

[tacit otter]

I got a question about your video whispyr. you mentioned something about envenom buff pandemic. Did i understand it correctly that you want to refresh your 1st envenom buff as late as possible because you cant pandemic your 1st buff?

[glossy light]

Yeah the golem just vanishes

[balmy condor]

You can’t pandemic either buff

Ttk disables pandemic

[hollow elk]

but then it doesnt really matter whether you take bugged lethality or FI right

since it sims the same

so FI doesnt suck

[balmy condor]

Sure whatever man

[subtle tundra]

it sucks cause it replaces er

[tacit otter]

i see, so its just as late as possible each time then. any plans to reflect this in your wa or is it w/e?

[balmy condor]

Well yeah you’ll need to track the timers independently

So my wa will have support for that

[subtle tundra]

im hungy.....

[balmy condor]

Kinda hard required when playing the talent

[novel star]

for what

[tacit otter]

perfect, ty sir

[subtle tundra]

waiting for my employer to get us food

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

i get free food

[novel star]

o

W

[subtle tundra]

its susge cause its too often pizza

and i dont like eating unhealthy

[bleak spoke]

happens in siege but like usually if you kill your kb target thats a good thing

[soft shale]

oh boi the tank does not let me stealth is coming stronger than ever for sub thankfully no one plays it

[bleak spoke]

happens in mist maze alot but those pulls are all ass

[rain wraith]

Its to keep you from asking for a raise. I do this every friday to my employees

[soft shale]

so i wont have to explain how many times it is really needed

[novel star]

ah that’s fucked ye gg

[subtle tundra]

if that happens on a defender then thats really good
they kill tanks

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[orchid pewter]

Those are just not high enough issues tbf

In 12s they live in my experience

[bleak spoke]

i think the issue is that cooldowns end up synced in the maze

they get kind of primed on ingra etc

and then after that the rp/shenanigans like waiting to get stuff pulled through walls etc

[errant sinew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bleak spoke]

it's whatever though tbh like mists is mists, nothing feels good in the maze no matter how it's done tbh

[grim jay]

Personally dont mind the maze as much

I dont like the snails tho

[orchid pewter]

The maze is the only nice part imo

"Nice"

[bleak spoke]

that is a crazy take to me

[subtle tundra]

only nice part is before first boss

😉

[novel star]

i like all of mists

[subtle tundra]

thanks blizzdong for ruining the experience for melees

[bleak spoke]

the first boss is pretty fun imo as well

[grim jay]

Also true

[bleak spoke]

though it's definitely more fun as subtlety madge

[subtle tundra]

the part after 2nd boss..............

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[bleak spoke]

that part is straight ass

[subtle tundra]

aoe dmg, shit on the ground thats casted quickly, poison dots

[bleak spoke]

i think i dislike this version of tredova more than the slands version

[subtle tundra]

instant dmg

[orchid pewter]

Cloak and ignore

[subtle tundra]

yea... cloak...

2min cooldown

[bleak spoke]

5 second duration

[orchid pewter]

Only the first pull at snails is ass

And that one gets deleted

[grim jay]

All the snails are ass

[bleak spoke]

quoting this

[grim jay]

Idk

[bleak spoke]

[orchid pewter]

Nah the pull always gets deleted idk

[subtle tundra]

which pull?

[grim jay]

Starting at 12 they already live long enough to be annoying

[subtle tundra]

what fucking snails what does that mean

im so confused

[bleak spoke]

10s cycle on the circle distribution

[grim jay]

All of them are annoying

The trash between 2nd and 3rd boss

Idk which pull he specificly means

[balmy condor]

Escargot

[subtle tundra]

those are not snail BRUV

[bleak spoke]

also how many of them you do varies based on how your maze goes

[orchid pewter]

The big one, after you skip the first 3

[subtle tundra]

the double pull?

[orchid pewter]

Yy

[grim jay]

In german its Schnecke either way

Fuck having 2 words

[subtle tundra]

cause if you dont double pull then youre playing 2 mobs

[grim jay]

For the same thing

Just because one has a house

Humans are humans still even if they have a house

[subtle kiln]

Does a cardboard box count?

[bleak spoke]

also like

[grim jay]

Yes sir, as long as you feel at home.

[bleak spoke]

the staghorn is what limits the pull size but it's actually the acidgullets that give you cancer

[grim jay]

American houses are cardboard boxes aswell

[bleak spoke]

like

that's where the debuff comes from

[marble hemlock]

not if youre ranged

[bleak spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuP4Lkt1vAo

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

you can aoe stun the casts

so thats nice

but doing it sucks! cause im dumb!

[bleak spoke]

i don't think you can stun volatile acid

i don't think that's a cast

[midnight atlas]

what spell do i put on slice and dice bind now?

[grim jay]

Pickpocket

[latent badger]

i'm rebinding trix there

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/And94d6.png

[grim jay]

I dont have anything new for snd and er yet either

[lilac anchor]

Do a /y macro there

[grim jay]

Thinking of binding another shiv

Instead of er

[bleak spoke]

LMFAO @lilac anchor shared braincell

[grim jay]

[midnight atlas]

how does 2x envenom work with the new talent? do we need to behave differently?

[halcyon grail]

SENDIT.

essentially.

[normal mist]

Check whispyr youtube video

[novel star]

[normal mist]

He explains quite well

But it's basically ironfur

[bleak spoke]

the joke that lowkey isn't even a joke yesterday is uh put fan of knives there so you end up spending ctw and then when you gain the combo point/hear fok you'll realize you're dumb but its fine

[grim jay]

Or the pins

[sleek moth]

Hey guys, i just got the Treacherous Transmitter, any good recommendation with what ability to Macro it for Mythic+?

[novel star]

don’t

[grim jay]

None

[midnight atlas]

ironfur what am i a furry?

[bleak spoke]

actually put transmitter there

[normal mist]

You're now

[grim jay]

You need to do the puzzle before you send your CDs

[novel star]

transmitter can’t be macrod because its value is delayed

yea

u hit cds when u get the buff

[sleek moth]

ok i see

[bleak spoke]

just do the puzzle while you're in cds

[novel star]

jump 3 times

[sleek moth]

man.... i need a normal trinket

fml 😄

[velvet bridge]

hello, there's no way to do a macro that cast trinket + tea + kriss + kings ?

[grim jay]

There is a way

Castsequence

But it sucks

[wet dagger]

Anyone gonna go dracthyr rogue?

[velvet bridge]

why does it sucks ?

[novel star]

no

dog dragons

[grim jay]

Because castsequence macros usually suck for longer things especially if you press too fast

Also idk why you would want to macro it in the first place

[true estuary]

I have a, maybe stupid, question - in the guide in wowhead it is stated that Troggbone Cinch is a good rogue belt. I checked in the adventurer guide and it doesnt seem to appear in the dungeon or bosses loot tables? How come?

[grim jay]

Really not difficult and we barely have buttons anymore anyways

[wet dagger]

But double jump!

[normal mist]

You don't care about bis list

Sim your gear

[bleak spoke]

yeh i ditched it the moment i got skardyn's

[grim jay]

Its in the grim batol loottable

Iirc

[normal mist]

And I don't even know which belt that is xD

Ohh gb okok

[true estuary]

am i doing somethign wrong?

[true estuary]

yes but still

[normal mist]

No

There's is no buts

Trust me, just sim

[subtle kiln]

🍑

[bleak spoke]

sim droptimizer for what you should be hunting for

tbh

[true estuary]

Ofcourse there is buts. Because i knwo what simming is, but a casual will read the guide and see that belt and will be confused

[bleak spoke]

is the best way

[grim jay]

Idk im not ingame rn

Its the 2nd boss

[normal mist]

Would you mind sharing the link? I'm mobile ATM it's hard to get to the right place

[true estuary]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear#bis-items-mythic

In the items from source, the Mythic+ tab

there is the belt, stated drops from grim batol, wowhead says the same - secodn boss. But ingame its nto in the loot table

atleast if it is, its missing from the adventurer guide

Simming or not, mine is a valid question

[bleak spoke]

might have been removed from the table when the dungeon went live m+

the list was probably created before

[normal mist]

That's probably it

[true estuary]

Hmm. Okay. Thanks

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Either way, if it's not trinkets or embellishment items, don't worry too much

Those lists only exist because wowhead forces the guide writers to list them

Because in theory, instead of a big list, there should just be a link to raidbots.com

[true estuary]

I don't agree. Placing a theorycrafting link in a guide mainly casuals would read is not a good idea.

[normal mist]

Counter argument

A bis list is only bis if you have all the items on the list at 6/6 myth track

And casuals don't really look at guides

If you are looking up stuff online, you're already way above a casual player

[heavy canopy]

How do I use Treacherous Transmitter the best?

[true estuary]

I agree to disagree 😄 Not gonna spam here about that topic

[normal mist]

Why not

[true estuary]

SOmeone may need more important info

[bronze pike]

Define more important info

[normal mist]

And info will be given when asked

[royal lantern]

use when cds are up->do the task->use cds when task is done and you got the stats->cry because you use Transmitter

nah, before dm

not with dm

[normal mist]

Mistyped and saw you had a better explanation

[true estuary]

that trinket si soooooooo annying sometimes

[grim jay]

Thing is that its a topic you should either not care about either way because its irrelevant or if the minmax is important, you are at a point at which you should sim either way

[normal mist]

If you think casual Players will take time to read stuff online, you might be wrong

[bleak spoke]

purple ball says jump off the cliff to catch it, you won't

[royal lantern]

????????

OFC I WILL

i equiped that trinket, and i will use it

[normal mist]

Casual Players are the ones doing LFR, parsing grey, getting loot and thinking to themselves "I'm a beast".

[true estuary]

Not precisely read. Iv'e seen plently of situations (enought to not count them as exception) in which a bis list is shared to a casual and he goes hunting withotu caring too much why something is and suddenly that item doesn't exist

Maybe guildie peer pressure

or something

[royal lantern]

people love making gear overly complicated

[deep gyro]

Jump off step back in

[true estuary]

go into the goo on the secodn raid bos fro dps incerase, yum yum

[grim jay]

Sadly doesnt work most of the time

[heavy canopy]

Thank you! How about Mad Queen's Mandate? How does that compare?

[royal lantern]

when its just 2things

1: if higher ilvl, equipt it

2: if 2items of same ilvl, sim them

like, thats it

[deep gyro]

Skill issue XD

[royal lantern]

you understood perfect gearing in wow

[grim jay]

No its a game limitation, more often than not you cant step if there is no floor below you

[royal lantern]

you use it after your cds in the downtimes

[normal mist]

It's good in ST

[normal mist]

Also, being in a class discord and actually typing there proves that you're not a casual

[bleak spoke]

but lowkey you know why she's the mad queen, shes mad about the cast time on the trinket

[true estuary]

thats why i talked about the situation in 3rd person - im nto the guy i talked about 😄

[grim jay]

Personally I think she is mad that she has no feet and is in the same expansion as xalatath

[true estuary]

i ask because i was asked how to get that belt and i couldnt answer

[normal mist]

Just tell the guy to not worry about the list, just tell him to get ilvl

[true estuary]

literally they said "they told me that i get tjat belt but it doesnt drop" i checked adn saw its nto on the table

[strange python]

guys anyone having sometimes a bug while pulling and trying to ambush to apply mark it says must be in stealth? happens pretty often idk why maybe i'm too dumb

Of course..i am in stealth

[normal mist]

You using any macro on that ambush?

[strange python]

nope

[normal mist]

Then no idea

[bronze pike]

I’m going to bed before outlaw chat makes me lose more braincells

[normal mist]

Go rest

[grim jay]

Do a vid if possible or a screenshot, because its the first time im hearing about it

[bronze pike]

There’s a guy who thinks token and shop produces more revenue than subs

[bleak spoke]

could be breaking stealth by accident, or getting destealthed by bugs

[bronze pike]

And I’m

Baffled

[oak tangle]

if that person is capable enough of reading that page, and gleaming from it the items listed, then they are also capable of reading the page and this line "With many different sources of gearing and loot scarcity in The War Within, targeting your absolute Best in Slot gear isn't entirely realistic;" telling them it doesn't matter

[grim jay]

Its worse if they come over here tbf, dont summon them

[oak tangle]

"As a rough guideline follow the stat priority of: Agility >> Critical Strike = Mastery >= Haste > Versatility. Don't underestimate the value of Agility, a substantial increase in ilvl is generally worth it compared to optimized stats. It is always recommended that you use Raidbots to sim your own character since every character has different circumstances."

[worldly sail]

he's really trying to summon the discussion here

[pallid wagon]

Outlaw chat has summoned me

[true estuary]

nothing matters 😦

[pallid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/wideboris-bear-boris-gif-3776750799103607369

[normal mist]

You got it

[royal lantern]

broodtwister prog and hearing your RL yell WATCH FEET WATCH FEET

this expansion broke us

[broken aspen]

Is the universal Patch a buff or a nerf for assa ?

[grim jay]

The pins may tell you your feature

[normal mist]

Pins

[heavy canopy]

I use it when the target is on low HP, right? It scales based on target's missing health..

[grim jay]

You just use it on cooldown

Starting after your opener

You certainly dont not use it until the target has low hp

Unless you wont get a second cast in for whatever reason

[heavy canopy]

Well, doing m+, there'll be lots of packs to use it on

[grim jay]

Its pretty bad in m+

But ye, then you use it on CD on low HP targets

[heavy canopy]

Right, good point

[grim jay]

Sniping them would be the most efficient

As in killing them with the trinket dmg

[bleak spoke]

i think it could be good in siege maybe

[heavy canopy]

Cause there're lots of big dudes to use it on?

[bleak spoke]

nah, cuz of boss design

the vuln on 1st boss

the tentacles can be executed

on the last

etc

[grim jay]

Idk without sniping it sims the same in ST as my hero knife and way less in dslice, considering that and that its even worse on big pulls + im probably unable to reliably snipe a target, I rather not use it

[heavy canopy]

I'm currently using Sacbrood and Crystal, so was looking to use an active trinket until I get my Skardyn's, but none of these are used in the same way..

[bleak spoke]

yeh i eman i'm not recommending it

i'm just saying that theoretically

like w/encounter design

like the expose on the first boss of siege is a huge dmg taken increase, has less to do with sniping and more to do with you get something very large to press into it

esepcially since it happens at not consistent times

and then on viqgoth it's more like you have something to press with your small kb

in terms of doin damage to the second paltform's demo mostly

and if you manage to snipe it then you'll get both mark kb on the last demo and also you can shoot it too

like at least on first boss it could very well be the difference between doing another whole cycle of bombs etc, that's like 45 to a minute you get from having a significant button to press for the expose

and on the last boss obvioiusly demo not dying fast enough is a wipe conditional

[midnight atlas]

so with TTK, we do 1 envenom, 2 envenom for 2nd stack. the 3rd envenom extends duration for the 1st envenom ?

[bleak spoke]

overwrites 1st if i'm not mistaken

not extending

there's rpobably going to be some cooked way to optimize it rotationally

[dry trail]

What are the best brann idols?

[slow echo]

Does Whispyr offer coaching?

[halcyon grail]

Life coaching.

He wrote a book on healthy relationships that changed my life

Saved me thousands in marriage counselling.

[slow echo]

I found out he does

He has a server!

[hallow ridge]

[craggy ruin]

yo guys! i changed to Nelf because i wanted basically another vanish but everytime i used it even if i use the macro it gets super weird, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. ù

do you guys have any knowledge about it?

[autumn remnant]

it's buggy

[subtle tundra]

yes its fucked

thats just how it is

[earnest sierra]

anyone has a plater profile that filters out unnecessary things? or a mod, I'm using quazi's plater but it shows a shitload of poisons and debuffs that just create a lot of clutter and it's hard to see what really matters

[subtle tundra]

you can very easily do that yourself

[marble hemlock]

best way to guarantee it working on trash mobs is by actually running away from them ~5-10y

[subtle tundra]

any non rogue plater will have rogue shit enabled

[hallow ridge]

what macro are you using

[marble hemlock]

that way you dont immedaitely get into combat by dealing damage to mobs in proximity

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest sierra]

the issue is having way too many shit enables haha

[subtle tundra]

go on a dummy, see what shows and you dont want

takes 2 minutes

that is, if you like that plater and dont want to change away from it

if you dont care then sure

but knowing how to add and remove stuff is helpful

maybe you want to track something that the plater you import doesnt

or just import another and ignore me

both work

!

[novel star]

whispyr plater + dh blacklists

or whatever other class

[subtle tundra]

default plater + whatever i want to blacklist

meow

[novel star]

default

beast

[arctic socket]

Bro is meowing

Should be making turtle noises

[novel star]

arf :3

[subtle tundra]

what noises do turts make

wtf

[novel star]

do they even make any

ye legit

silent animal surely

[arctic socket]

No idea

[glacial crypt]

Turtles go like

"ahhh"

[subtle tundra]

bro not the turtle moans

[glacial crypt]

But really high pitched

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/aahh-gif-24153768

[glacial crypt]

Yes

LMAO

[novel star]

yea varas moan in text man

[subtle tundra]

haha thats my pfp

but mine does cocaine

instead of moaning like a BITCH

[earnest sierra]

Ya just removed all the clutter that shows, just left garrote, rupture, spatter, shiv, crimson tempest, kingsbane and deathmark

[subtle tundra]

thats great, nice

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/19VmwRK.png 'elp

[glacial crypt]

What's wrong with moaning like a bitch

[arctic socket]

Just reread the sentence

That’s what wrong with it

[bleak spoke]

i guess i just delet the line

[subtle tundra]

i moan like a MAN

[balmy condor]

Have you tried custom apl

Or is that fake news

[arctic socket]

Whispyr you ready to be bombed with questions

[glacial crypt]

Quickly run away

[bleak spoke]

i copied it from your thingy

[balmy condor]

[glacial crypt]

Look see it's YOUR fault @balmy condor

[bleak spoke]

from your pin

i think the updated ptr sm probably just doens't have echoing in it anymore so it's bricking

[balmy condor]

Might have some corrupt shit idk

[bleak spoke]

it's running now that i've deleted the line

yeh

[tacit otter]

isnt latest not available atm because of ptr stuff? -> sub pin

[bleak spoke]

i just control f'd the echoing line and cut it off

[native heron]

wish i didn't suck at rogue 😦

[lusty kraken]

I heard assa is going to have better energy regeneration in the next patch, does this apply to the m+ builds as well?

[native heron]

sadge

[balmy condor]

First thing I did was delete snd and er

[glacial crypt]

I love this sm

[balmy condor]

So idk why it’s there

[glacial crypt]

No asking for help just wishing

[balmy condor]

No

M+ is always fast

[lusty kraken]

it's not that fast in single target, is it

[arctic socket]

Whispyr imma ask are we back to ambushing with our vanish, or just garroting since we have Ss

[native heron]

Btw. Good morning everyone!

[bleak spoke]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qCB4N97on7J21Tp5yuXP4k anyway this was what i wanted to check really, seems competitive enough in aoe at least

[balmy condor]

Not really but m+ st omegalul

[balmy condor]

King wtf is this

[bleak spoke]

ignore the random one with cold blood that was so i could get the sim paste from doing /simc without bricking it

:oemg

[glacial crypt]

expert mode. You wouldn't get it..

[arctic socket]

Rank 3 enchant your rings

Please

[shut garnet]

the expert mode 10target 30 second sim to determine how competitive something is in aoe POG

[subtle tundra]

watch me invent the meta and play cleave build in m+

[bleak spoke]

send me gold

[subtle tundra]

and people will copy me

(they wont cause hurr durr im not r1)

[bleak spoke]

anyway i just wanted to see how bad it would hurt aoe to drop bonespike and take ttk/shivs

[arctic socket]

Thought you were one of the higher ranked rogues varas

[royal lantern]

damm right, your opinion means nothing, cant see you in top5 logs/m+ score

[arctic socket]

Dropping bonespike is wild lmao

[bleak spoke]

that's the thing though, is it really

[subtle tundra]

i dont no life the game
i cant be

[balmy condor]

Worse than whatever your weird sim shows

[coarse barn]

anyone know where i can get plater profile that shows prio of targets and changes colour of the nameplate when i apply rupture?

[balmy condor]

Idk what plater does that

[glacial crypt]

Your prio target changes depending on your group xd

[balmy condor]

Rupture color change is wild tbh

[glacial crypt]

That would be a jumpscare

[coarse barn]

tundeh has it looks mad

[balmy condor]

What even is the point of that

[glacial crypt]

Nameplate changes colour suddenly you're popping evasion

[arctic socket]

Idk bonespike is like free combo points and a perma dot until something dies it’s pretty pog champ

[bleak spoke]

true and real

[arctic socket]

I like to make the enemy nameplate change to a pink color when I have aggro 🙂

[subtle tundra]

honestly would help me

but i hate color changes

[balmy condor]

How would it help

[bleak spoke]

yeh but it's 1.1% of the dmg on the sim and like https://i.imgur.com/QoAMeyY.png

[subtle tundra]

to see faster which mob has rupture?

[bleak spoke]

i probably won't really do this in game i like how bonespike feels

[subtle tundra]

towards the end of the pull when i need to get another target to caustic

[bleak spoke]

but also https://i.imgur.com/U99i2S4.png

madge

[arctic socket]

That point is fun in PvP

[balmy condor]

This is kind of a bad comparison though

[subtle tundra]

sbs is a crutch for IC

[balmy condor]

Bone spike gives you cp when cp are at their most valuable

[royal lantern]

sbs doesnt generate many cp overall yes, but the way it generates cp is really good

sbs speeds things up crazy

[bleak spoke]

yeh that's fair

[balmy condor]

1cp is not the same value all the time

[arctic socket]

With snd change tho

Maybe we drop it

[balmy condor]

What

[royal lantern]

???

[bleak spoke]

well that doesn't change how you play in a key

[arctic socket]

Shh

Let it cook

[royal lantern]

you think we play sbs cus of SnD?

[arctic socket]

No

[bleak spoke]

actually i play it because of ct

[arctic socket]

I’m saying cursed reasons

[bleak spoke]

when you open on a smallish pack and you can do ggr ct

it owns

[quasi coyote]

^

[bleak spoke]

[quasi coyote]

thats the 3 target special

[bleak spoke]

then it's muti fok and you can start bangin

[quasi coyote]

they can take my life b4 they make me take away sbs

💀

[bleak spoke]

(i'm lying through my teeth it's actually dm kb muti cuz you gotta beat other people to the punch)

[quasi coyote]

necrotic wake bags enter the chat

[bleak spoke]

and they're leaving real fast so you better start spattering

[glossy light]

Whispyr, are you using mouseover macro on rupture/garrote?

[native heron]

is that even possible? 😮

[bleak spoke]

tbh the questions i relaly want answered

aren't

[safe barn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[bleak spoke]

"how can i do the most dmg in a key"

it's "what is the earliest time i can press kingsbane"

[native heron]

Is there a bluepost about thistle tea chance?

change* im behind in all the news

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

Pinned

[golden loom]

So something I picked up from watching whispyrs new video is about the supercharger, if you send a finisher at 7 combopoints, it counts as 9, so rupture/envenom duration on those casts would be really long right? sounds nice

[balmy condor]

Correct

[bleak spoke]

@balmy condor if i shiv an off-target will spatter do more dmg just to that target

[balmy condor]

Yes

[native heron]

THat does sound nice

[bleak spoke]

wait this is really good

[balmy condor]

Terrifying words to hear from you

Nothing good can come of this

[bleak spoke]

nah, nothing crazy

just like

some of the packs in siege with horsey + hookman

etc

[balmy condor]

Yeah you know what’s even better than that?

[bleak spoke]

like i don't want to KB horsey cuz sometimes he charges to narnia

[balmy condor]

Not pressing shiv

[bleak spoke]

cuz my ranged dps are stupid

[balmy condor]

[bleak spoke]

yeh probably

[dense cloud]

i dont even use shiv, it just sooths the target. why would i even use that (clearly jokin)

[balmy condor]

I mean in aoe

Yeah

Why would you

[bleak spoke]

if horse guy just didn't move at all i would kb off him and also shiv him

[sullen hollow]

you still wanna shiv prio target 7sec left on kb no

[timid sonnet]

@balmy condor watched your latest video, re: the sim values there, don't they represent a rather sizeable increase from the current values - or am I behind in terms of current numbers

[bleak spoke]

cuz it'd die evenly

[sullen hollow]

or do you prio envenom on aoe over kb even

[dense cloud]

btw once the reset comes, do i just remove tea from the action bar?xd since its automatic

[native heron]

omfg thank you ! i no longer have to press tea

[balmy condor]

Sure if it’ll live that long I guess

[timid sonnet]

great video

[sullen hollow]

in 14's mobs live a little long sometimes ye

[balmy condor]

6% in st

If it won’t survive the Kb anyway

No point

[sullen hollow]

nah but some of the bigger prio targets do

[native heron]

so we lose 2 buttons snd/tea? W! less buttons to remember to press

[balmy condor]

2 If you don’t macro tea

3 If you do

[sullen hollow]

idk how i feel about tea tbf

thechange

[safe barn]

wouldnt we shiv now in aoe for the supercharger?

[balmy condor]

It’s whatever

[balmy condor]

Sure if you want

[dawn kelp]

Wow new content

[native heron]

i didn't even think about macro'ing tea. FML

[sullen hollow]

not really if you want the mastery burst from it right

[royal lantern]

wait, macro tea to shiv is a real thing now?

[bleak spoke]

i feel like i have a bad habit of pressing tea when i'm bored and i want to use some abilities so this won't affect me

[slow echo]

Whispyr truly is the god of the rogue discord

[balmy condor]

Not really

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[subtle tundra]

🤮

holy shit how can blizz miss so badly

with this patch

[slow echo]

I'm really happy with the rogue changes

[balmy condor]

That’s what happens when you tea for mastery in aoe and you have infinite energy in st

[sullen hollow]

huh we are buffed

[royal lantern]

like, literally the best option, or just the lazy one ?

[subtle tundra]

more apm
rework fail
subterfuge buffs were meaningless

[native heron]

huh?

[balmy condor]

Sims don’t play around tea energy

[subtle tundra]

who fucking cares man
the numbers at the end can simply be a 5% aura buff

you dont look at numbers

[balmy condor]

Well they do for pooling

They don’t for using

[subtle tundra]

when you think about the changes in a patch

thats such a shit way to look at things

[native heron]

okay doomer

[subtle tundra]

??????

[royal lantern]

some people here are smart enough to care about gameplay, and not just "lol number bigger"

[arctic socket]

I’m just happy our st burst bigger number

[balmy condor]

He’s not dooming he’s just looking at the gameplay and going “that sucks”

And he’s right

[bleak spoke]

i'm gonna miss echoing

[arctic socket]

Whisper when does the new opener drop

[bleak spoke]

[balmy condor]

My copium is that this is a stepping stone