sims have it assa st at 1.4
#assassination
dawn heath
💀
balmy condor
surely yeah
dawn heath
its a shame though blizzard only tunes for raiding
they need to just stop and tune m+ and raiding seperately like they do with pvp
its impossible for them to balance
bronze pike
maybe cause its ver yhard and not worth the effort to tune for keys
cause cutting edge keys falls on who has the better mass barrier
and aug
and who can buff said mass barrier
balmy condor
duality of m+ players, either the cds are too strong and the st is too strong and then they go "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH mobs die in my kingsbane!!!!!!!!" or they go "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH this one spec does 100k more boss damage than me!!!!!!!"
dawn heath
duality of m+ players, either the cds are too strong and the st is too strong an...
its not 100k
its like 300k
real granite
its not about hitting more or less, its about certain classes not humilliating others
bronze pike
real granite
im not really on board on this dk vs sin rogue tho
bronze pike
different specs do different things and do different damage
comparing frost dk to sin rogue is kinda meme
balmy condor
bit hypocritical for assa rogues to be talking about classes not humiliating others
real granite
clearly different spec profiles
balmy condor
we're so far ahead in m+ it's not even funny
bronze pike
especially when sin shits on every oher spec in keys
real granite
true, didnt said otherwise
dawn heath
yeah we have the highest aoe in game thats true
real granite
there's specs that are completly forgotten
dawn heath
but frost dk still does more overall accoriding to ogs
bronze pike
less st prio damage for what? tons more aoe add damage
balmy condor
it's not even prio damage
our prio damage is through the fucking sky
it's legit just boss damage that we're SLIGHTLY weak at
bronze pike
and not even like a crippling amount of st patchwerk damage as a cost
dawn heath
bronze pike
just
real granite
but frost dk still does more overall accoriding to ogs
dk its a full pump + cr + tanky class
bronze pike
it's legit just boss damage that we're SLIGHTLY weak at
ye sorry
real granite
they have very circunstancial and limited utility
balmy condor
dear lord what the fuck is that
dawn heath
dear lord what the fuck is that
its all public logged m+ runs statistics of dps
bronze pike
shit looks like shit
real granite
you take out their pumping and they would not be used at all
bronze pike
bronze pike
when no one is pushing yet either
dawn heath
i mean it checks out
dawn heath
u can see ret paladin performing on average better than SIN rogue but u can see the greyed out bar and thats of the top logs so on the high end assa is better
bronze pike
k this is toooooooootally accurate
bronze pike
bronze pike
my suspension of belief is ruined
dawn heath
bronze pike
enhance shammy at B
real granite
i dont think you can judge specs viability on m+ throught only dps
keen spruce
this is just
bronze pike
D tier
dawn heath
yes thats exactly what it is
remote trellis
i like this bar
static glacier
i mean ret does infinitely worse prio dmg than us
bronze pike
LMAO
balmy condor
"details sucks" we all say and then invent a new ad revenue trap with glorified details bars
keen spruce
resto sham B tier guys
static glacier
even if they win overall we speed up the key more than them
keen spruce
bad healer
dawn heath
resto sham B tier guys
you don't get it do you
bronze pike
restro unviable
bronze pike
its shit
balmy condor
so it's bad then
keen spruce
yes taht is the entire problem
bronze pike
on any metric
dawn heath
ye i didnt say it was a list to quantify how good a spec was
i was just showing that dk does the most damage
bronze pike
then why link it at all
fresh kelp
man he posted this in response to whispyr saying assa did more overall
so he posted an overall chart
static glacier
well it shows overall damage, is that a useful metric? up to you to decide
fresh kelp
the tier ratings mean nothing
dawn heath
people are reading into this way too much
balmy condor
oh boy the yellow name woke up it's a party now
keen spruce
pirate chatting
violet sonnet
Is the rework a buff or a nerf happening at 23rd? im pretty unsure
bronze pike
we bullied him out guys :(
dawn heath
na
sullen mural
anyways i will be falling asleep to whispyr 11.0.5 video
make sure to watch till the secret
dawn heath
still trying to look for when i said this is how good the specs are been scrolling for awhile now
noble pollen
Waiting 11.0.5 rogue assassin review 
weak forum
reading pins, i dont play the spec, what's "non-dm kbs"?
sullen mural
kingsbane without deathmark
weak forum
i could have realized that. ty
novel star
?
quartz echo
!wa
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slim pebble
Tonights the night I get freed from GB prison
Just loot it dude. You got this
wise gull
It's gonna happen tonight I can feel it
sullen mural
But why loot it tonight
wise gull
It's gonna drop
sullen mural
when u can loot it in vault
wise gull
monkeys paw
sullen mural
on myth track
wise gull
its wue
wise gull
when u can loot it in vault
cuz its not gonna happen
sturdy python
like how does it go from someone (whomever) writing the APL to it being included in SIMC?
wise gull
my luck is cursed
i don't think i've rolled above 30 on anything the past month of raid
wise gull
i do
bronze pike
like how does it go from someone (whomever) writing the APL to it being include...
theres like a group of rogue tcers
like are you asking about the process or?
sullen mural
welp
ask your enhance to trade you the trinket and go farm
pay him like a small fee
idk 100k
sullen mural
Any agility class then
cunning needle
i'd also not be happy if i didnt have windfurry
sturdy python
like are you asking about the process or?
just wondering who they are and also what the process is tbh
wise gull
i'm not super tight with anyone in my guild so that's probably not happening either 
sullen mural
thats why u pay em 100k when it drops
cunning needle
just wondering who they are and also what the process is tbh
#tc-research can sorta look there
sturdy python
I see there's also a tc-outlaw, is there a tc-assa ?
manic coral
is there any wa or setting on plater i can use to hide nameplates i can use to like hide parasites on ovinax?
i have absurdly low fps on egg breaks
dawn heath
the supercharger thing is just a passive node
so we free up 2 keybindings?
slice and dice & ER
sullen mural
In theory Thistle tea if you dont care about 0.2-0.3% dmg
cunning needle
is there any wa or setting on plater i can use to hide nameplates i can use to l...
yeah theres a plater plugin
dawn heath
taking tea of your bars seems silly
manic coral
thanks king
sullen mural
taking tea of your bars seems silly
not of bar but macro into shiv
sullen mural
U can do that losing like 0.2/0.3% dmg
sullen mural
You want to tea during cds in aoe anyways even with being max energy
cuz huge mastery big damage
weak forum
another dumb question, this is the wowhead st build but the logs on st bosses swap the green talents for the red ones, is it a sim vs practice thing, or a playstyle preference or..?
dawn heath
toys
dawn heath
i will still have tea on my bars
oak eagle
another dumb question, this is the wowhead st build but the logs on st bosses sw...
its just whichever build is best for your character
everyone is different all depends on a multitude of things
cunning needle
another dumb question, this is the wowhead st build but the logs on st bosses sw...
they sim kinda the same
so its also a bit of preference thing
dawn heath
imagine having 40 different talent buiilds
cunning needle
literally free real estate
weak forum
yea i kinda prefer that too and no sanguine blades too, prob bcs noob
cunning needle
yah i also dont like sanguine
dawn heath
i can probably take these off my bars now too
cunning needle
it probably flattens the damage a bit
dawn heath
these dummies
cunning needle
i can probably take these off my bars now too
dawn heath
no need for them i guess with s&D gone
dawn heath
def happy to see s&d go the most pointless button ever
cunning needle
but who plays that dog shit spec
dawn heath
i dont play anything else than sin
wait what is it thats granting s&d?
after patch?
vivid stream
does caustic splatter do damage in a radius around the target or around yourself
azure flare
but now itll give u snd
azure flare
wait what is it thats granting s&d?
dawn heath
oh
azure flare
this fyi
dawn heath
but u shouldnt take it off your bars then
sullen mural
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/orfDmXp9iPpePXbmUAB5t7
U do 0.004 more sadge
violet sonnet
@sullen mural how would i macro a thistle tea into shiv when its a passiv
dawn heath
you dont envenom until like the 8th global in m+
azure flare
something like that
dawn heath
so u prolly still want to do the dummy shenanigans
azure flare
ye
cunning needle
U do 0.004 more sadge
0.004 reoccurring?
azure flare
for raid u can get rid of it im guessing
vale lantern
I’m dropping it asap gonna forget it’s a thing
dawn heath
what will our opener even be like
sullen mural
<@292286332640690176> how would i macro a thistle tea into shiv when its a passi...
cuz its not a passive? idk
azure flare
since snd will only be done at the start of your very first pull
novel star
you dont envenom until like the 8th global in m+
when does snd really matter before kb though
and you just env before kb
dawn heath
Ambush Garrote Rupture Mute DM Shiv KB?
azure flare
i mean whether u keep it or not
dawn heath
or
violet sonnet
@sullen mural not yet but it is a passive at 23rd ?
sullen mural
No its not
azure flare
not even a 0.1% dps diff
novel star
i mean
snd is very relevant for kingsbane stacking
you can just simply envenom before kb though
like you already do
violet sonnet
@sullen mural Thistle Tea now automatically drinks when Energy falls below 30.
doesnt that makes it passiv? or can it still be used
novel star
and it’s fine
manic coral
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novel star
<@292286332640690176> Thistle Tea now automatically drinks when Energy falls bel...
it’s an active and a passive at the same time
azure flare
you'll never kb without snd either way ya
sullen mural
Tell me where in that it says its being removed as a button
Cuz i aint reading that there
all it does it auto consume
azure flare
its not being removed as a button
violet sonnet
active and passive? ugh so annoying im going with ignoring thistle tea expect for cds then. ty @novel star and @sullen mural
sullen mural
Nothing really changes yea
violet sonnet
well more spamming envenom without punishment seems nice
novel star
even if it does auto proc outside cds which it often just won’t
it’s like a 0.2% loss
according to the pins
so
dawn heath
and press buttons
you know its funny i tried to do with sin and just play the game without reading a thing i was so ooo FAR OFf with what i was doing it was hillarious
novel star
who cares?
sullen mural
I mean yeah if it auto procs
dawn heath
I just copied a wowhead build and started hitting buttons
azure flare
you know its funny i tried to do with sin and just play the game without reading...
but did it work 
dawn heath
no
azure flare
dawn heath
i was spamming CT on aoe even when i had it up
azure flare
oh no
dawn heath
didnt know what casutic was
sullen mural
Thats something like
azure flare
the forbidden rule
dawn heath
and i played with instant poision
azure flare
yeah
sullen mural
when assa was good for one patch in m+
dawn heath
not amplifying
azure flare
even in shadowlands
sullen mural
Classic
dawn heath
so i had to start reading my talents
azure flare
spamming CT is like super super common mistake when ppl are new at it
dawn heath
now i've read some of them
sullen mural
I think i did that for 1 dungeon aswell when i played it for the first time
azure flare
or using CT on ST
violet sonnet
they should change how hero talent is first applied imo. ambush doesnt work all the time haha. stealthbreaks happen alot to often
azure flare
i mean if ur first ambush pops off
sullen mural
I rarely get broken out of stealth
azure flare
you'll always be able to reapply it with envenom
violet sonnet
mists. each door
dawn heath
i thought aoe was like it was for Sub before
sullen mural
mists. each door
Dont run first
dawn heath
when it was just fok black powder
novel star
i thought aoe was like it was for Sub before
fella playing bfa
dawn heath
yeah prolly
novel star
fok ct moment
dawn heath
the only time i played Sub ever before was on the uldir boss i forgot his name
violet sonnet
suspicious aoe in db also breaks it before i can get to the trash. really annoying with some tanks
novel star
stealth break should only matter on the first pull of the dungeon tho
dawn heath
this guy
novel star
yea
dawn heath
sullen mural
Yeah
weak forum
another dumb question, why do you shiv last 8 seconds of kb if only 1 charge?
sullen mural
cuz thats when it does most dmg
azure flare
another dumb question, why do you shiv last 8 seconds of kb if only 1 charge?
that's when the dot hits the hardest
sullen mural
So you amp the dmg
azure flare
^
novel star
another dumb question, why do you shiv last 8 seconds of kb if only 1 charge?
read kb, it stacks
the last 8s does the most damage
weak forum
oh yea ok ty
novel star
50*
dawn heath
i've been going between playing with and without crippling poision i still cant decide whats better
novel star
sullen mural
GIVE ME THAT 99 STACK KB RN
sullen mural
I miss KB doing dmg 
azure flare
i've been going between playing with and without crippling poision i still cant ...
tbh i just keep it on
specially in siege
dawn heath
the problem is that i slow the mobs when tank is trying to gather mobs
sullen mural
Yeah i keep it off because of that
azure flare
siege is like my prio dung i keep it on
sullen mural
No
azure flare
their human form looks kinda sick
dawn heath
lmao
novel star
no i’m staying velf
dawn heath
aoe stop stonks 📉
sullen mural
azure flare
im belf atm but i got like 9 belfs
coral ibex
sleepo member detected 
azure flare
sleepo member detected <:peek:921255214181388368>
dawn heath
with the changes to m+ aoe stops are almost irrelevant now
so dracthyr seems like a bad race
azure flare
oh a fellow ffxiv player
azure flare
with the changes to m+ aoe stops are almost irrelevant now
think of it this way
if ur dracthyr and ur slowing mobs
u can aoe knock them into the tank
every 3 min ...
azure flare
pls never do that
sullen mural
Stoneform is kinda goated
azure flare
ye but the cost
stray adder
hey guys, what is the reason for not opening with ambush when we have a darkest night proc, I've been reading the hero talents and I just don't get it 😂 I'm not very smart btw
azure flare
truee
balmy condor
hey guys, what is the reason for not opening with ambush when we have a darkest ...
because darkest night applies the mark
azure flare
hey guys, what is the reason for not opening with ambush when we have a darkest ...
night proc applies mark at max cp
dapper cradle
KB double dipping lethality? Pog?
dawn heath
yeah
azure flare
man ive been waiting for this mog to come back to the track thing for a year now
dawn heath
azure flare
what a view
woeful wagon
horny mf
azure flare
sky looking good
dawn heath
its looking real good
indigo mulch
Nice dragon.
dawn heath
I'm more turned on by stoneform
i'm having a crisis here
sullen mural
That think rogue is so tanky we dont gotta heal them
azure flare
do u have the legion mage tower weapon aljan
sullen mural
then i get a single dot
stray adder
Thank you guys, one more thing, does the anima charge from ER count as max cp for the darknest night proc?
sullen mural
and die in 0.1 seconds
dawn heath
cause i'm a bit of a tryhard but also i love my aesthetics
so the racial thing is a sensitive topic
sullen mural
Thank you guys, one more thing, does the anima charge from ER count as max cp fo...
yes
azure flare
yes
fresh kelp
stoneform is so good this season but i miss my nelf every day
stray adder
sweet ty guys 🙂
dawn heath
thing is stoneform cover rogues weaknesses
manic coral
^^
sullen mural
Stoneform is just goated
sullen mural
Yup
fresh kelp
plus there aren't really any good meld mechanics like df
dawn heath
how i deal with it now is that i press meld and let someone else g et it
fresh kelp
nelf stonks down
dawn heath
and then they rage at me in party chat
kindred ravine
quick question... this is really for any class? but what are all of the different ways to remove bleeds from tanks in m+?
azure flare
uh
sullen mural
Evokers
fresh kelp
evoker caut, paladin bop, dwarf racial
azure flare
out of dps only evoker could remove a bleed from tanks, that and paladin bopping the tank
kindred ravine
Can earthen dwarf?
azure flare
but if u do that ur trolling half the time
azure flare
kindred ravine
mmm
azure flare
u can get the red version of it
dawn heath
no skincolor change
azure flare
idr how
azure flare
ah yea true
azure flare
think about ass
sullen mural
HOLY
dawn heath
my ex was a night elf enthusiast and they just happend to be goated in m+ also so all my characters become night elves
azure flare
ass
dawn heath
azure flare
dawn heath
the dwarf goat
sullen mural
back to grim batol jail with me
Just loot it lol?
azure flare
Just loot it lol?
fu lmfao
sullen mural
just look how handsome
I just use the monthly thing we got xdd
manic coral
i would
dawn heath
these are the legion mage tower glaives
manic coral
its just we have a running meme in my guild that you look like a harvest watcher from westfall with that mog
so its just permabanned
sullen mural
its just we have a running meme in my guild that you look like a harvest watcher...
Ok and? Those things have killed so many noobs back in the day and in hardcore
they are goated if u ask me
azure flare
LOL
azure flare
oohhh
sullen mural
You just jealous
azure flare
hmmm yeah i like that one a lot more
azure flare
very fitting
im just wondering if it fits better
with more of a pale skin
dunno looks very good as is
dawn heath
it took me 50 runs to get it
azure flare
it took me 1 on dh rogue is still ongoing..
sullen mural
took me like 20
azure flare
makes me not wanna gear enhance shammy
dawn heath
comgbined on my characters
it took me like 80 runs
to get it on rogue and dh
now i'm a expert in grim baotl
azure flare
good idea
dawn heath
bro rippped ihm off
sullen mural
Ppl are down bad
spare cradle
How many grim batols is enough?
dawn heath
no such thing
sullen mural
Well i did want to pay 100k initially but the guy that rolled a 99 got outrolled by a 100
so then i offered 80k
azure flare
until u get the trinket its never enough
spare cradle
I'm losing my mind
azure flare
see it this way
dawn heath
in keys
manic coral
real shit tho, u guys want to see true balance?
dawn heath
if u have sacbrood and crystal or something u can play those 2 instead
azure flare
OHOH i have a trader
sullen mural
this is the run
I wanna see a clip in 20 minutes of you slow rp walking to the chest
manic coral
spare cradle
Anyone know what the rogue record is for grim batols before trinket?
dawn heath
thats a m+ player rightg there
spare cradle
ok I'm just getting started then
manic coral
i played grim batol twice then i got in in vault
spare cradle
better get comfy
manic coral
idk if it counts
sullen mural
After i looted mine i did an 11 for score
and insta looted it again
fcking blizzard classic
fresh kelp
dwarfs and nelves
wrong this is the real m+ race
dawn heath
my buddy does one key per week on his alt and loots skardyns in his vault
manic coral
idk i was going to play outlaw, then i got it in first vault. so i took it then i get it again in vault 2 weeks later
manic coral
still stuck with hero in offhand after kukri not dropping on 4 kills :8
sullen mural
noob
wise gull
IM FREE
manic coral
real, just have to loot harder 4head
dawn heath
u could wear a white dagger from vendor in stormwind you would barely notice a difference
wise gull
dawn heath
now u just need to farm the ring from there too
manic coral
im a bit curios tho
wise gull
I've gotten like 4 
dawn heath
i didnt loot GB crit mastery ring on any of my chars across my 80 runs
think i got like 15 crit vers rings tho
manic coral
im checking archon right now, and apparentley nether sacbrood nor transmitter counts as bis, so what is the bis other than skardyns?
sullen mural
whatever sims best for u
real granite
im checking archon right now, and apparentley nether sacbrood nor transmitter co...
db crystal is the most common proq choice, but ye, simm it
manic coral
thats the thing
like there is bigger possibillity of me getting ovinax trinket then whatever i need in the nearest future
in myth then
and im not sure how you would use it on assa
like i would just lack so much haste if i didnt play sacbrood it feels like
wise gull
i didnt loot GB crit mastery ring on any of my chars across my 80 runs
i have both it and the siege one
i'm using the mythic boe ring until i get a second myth ring tho
sullen mural
damn theres a boe ring
manic coral
sim tells me ovinax but how often can you actually stand still during progress tho
limpid hearth
It just seems boring tbh
sullen mural
thats just passive trinkets tho
manic coral
true, let me add some gimme a sec
limpid hearth
Yay i get to lock stats at a regular trinket’s mainstat and a moderate amount of mastery
For 30 sec
sullen mural
nono get it in vault
manic coral
thats too ambitious
sullen mural
i said get it not with leech avoid speed
manic coral
thats if im actually lucky enough to see it there
ive seen the first boss cloak every week so far :p
sullen mural
Well atleast its a decent cloak
strong geode
Forgive me if these are dumb questions lol, I'm new to rogue and I've been reading through the wowhead page and the pins and I just have 2 small questions about what I've read:
-Shiv: the rotational stuff always mentions having 2 charges of shiv but the 'Hybrid M+ build' doesn't have take that talent. Do I shiv before or after Kingsbane if I only have 1 charge of it or is the talent setup out of date?
-The pins mention Twist the Knife talent, but none of the builds take it. Is that just referring to the upcoming 11.0.5 changes?
cunning needle
Forgive me if these are dumb questions lol, I'm new to rogue and I've been readi...
shiv in the last 8 seconds of kingsbane with 1 shiv
ttk will come out in a few days
watch this
it covers it
probably
strong geode
Ohh wait really? I thought 11.0.5 is november
strong geode
Sick, thanks
cunning needle
no wokkas
indigo mulch
coin flippage!
ashen scroll
im sure big brain whispyr has already thought of it, but with the new TTK changes i can see wanting to proc darkest night with an envenom buff up, and you might delay it 1 finisher to ensure envenom is up. cant sim it rn tho according to vid
hardy prairie
is there a certain comp that would work well for a 12 GB?
harsh crown
Hey guys, I’m just trying to go through the lists and guides but can’t find anything on this. Is there something about rogue poisons that pulls me out of stealth? If I do a full rotation then vanish, I always get pulled out of stealth. Is this intentional?
deft vault
wasnt there a button to check to sim the 4 gem thing with the crit damage gem ?
oak tangle
Hey guys, I’m just trying to go through the lists and guides but can’t find anyt...
taking damage, and alot of bosses do some pulsing aoe damage
tawdry halo
yeh, exactly
harsh crown
This happens just doing damage to the training dummy’s as well. I don’t have anything that damages me for damage
slim pebble
Also the mists maze does it just for shits and giggles
oak tangle
also just to clarify, you should not bne aiming to sit in stealth after a full rotation
tawdry halo
This happens just doing damage to the training dummy’s as well. I don’t have any...
Stealth is also quite buggy; sometimes the spaghetti code just doesn't like you
hallow pelican
Question about the new rotation and macros. We would have 2 macros for Shiv+Thistle and just plain Shiv?
oak tangle
that'll be up to you
hallow pelican
and are we still macroing tea to KB?
slim pebble
Yall are macroing tea to KB?
oak tangle
not me
slim pebble
Im gonna stack so many envenoms tuesday
hallow pelican
i am ... should I not be?
coral ibex
no
oak tangle
i have tea on a seperate bind, but peeps can do what they like
sullen mural
tf do you mean still macroing tea to kb
coral ibex
you press tea for energy
sullen mural
xdd
slim pebble
I can neve tell if people are trolling or not
hallow pelican
yeah but tea also gives mastery ...
tawdry halo
yeah but tea also gives mastery ...
not why we press it; just a nice bonus
press tea for energy
oak tangle
i believe the statement whispyr made was that tea is for mastery again in 11.0.5 meaning that it's ...ok to tea and shiv together
tawdry halo
yeah like .2% difference
hallow pelican
for opener ... since u stack ur bleeds and then deathmark, shiv, KB
oak tangle
not ideal but not terrible
tawdry halo
basically, you do you
sullen mural
You forgot one envenom but yeah
slim pebble
The real question is who is trying to have a flying V on tuesday reset
oak tangle
i wonder if we could do same opener as now, and replace SnD with an envenom, so you go into kb with 2 stacks
hallow pelican
im an orc so ... not me
sullen mural
ew orc
hallow pelican
i wonder if we could do same opener as now, and replace SnD with an envenom, so ...
thats why im asking ... 13.6% EXTRA mastery for that could be huge
oak tangle
thats why im asking ... 13.6% EXTRA mastery for that could be huge
it would only really be for the first hit, as you'd follow up and then maintain a second stack for the entire dutration after
oak tangle
i'm honestly considering to macro in tea to shiv
i can take a 0.2% loss to lose a button
hallow pelican
i thought he said it was a .2% loss to NOT bind it
tawdry halo
nah, 0.2% loss to bind it
but like
it's maybe 1k dps
not gonna be the difference on most content
slim pebble
We lost SnD keybind so the whole world is my oyster now
hallow pelican
sullen mural
fuck that best change is feint off gcd
slim pebble
fuck that best change is feint off gcd
I feint on CD so im in for this too
tawdry halo
fuck that best change is feint off gcd
actually huge
sullen mural
this dude with his spit
farms me
every necrotic wake
cuz he casts it so fast that if you pressed a button before he targets you cant feint
fucking archnemesis
coral ibex
use eva or cloak it
slim pebble
Can't get into a 10 to save my life
tawdry halo
v good for those of us who play in OCE and get dinged by the 200ms after the GCD delay on the defensive button
mystic crest
v good for those of us who play in OCE and get dinged by the 200ms after the GCD...
I know that struggle all too well
blazing pumice
don't play on us servers then
cunning needle
v good for those of us who play in OCE and get dinged by the 200ms after the GCD...
vale lantern
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/330119922346885120/1204222377685286932/...
i was like why is this taking so long now i realize it was for a reason
cunning needle
lmao get pwned 
brittle cloud
hey, is it optimal to use an Amber gem if we have a 0.15% critical effect gem?
tawdry halo
don't play on us servers then
i mean, sometimes the local keys dry up because most of OCE is either at work, asleep or busy, but yep sure let me action that super good feedback
cunning needle
hey, is it optimal to use an Amber gem if we have a 0.15% critical effect gem?
sim yourself but the difference that it makes rounds down to 0
brittle cloud
cheers
subtle tundra
im just so happy about the reprimand change
listened to who ðŸ˜
removed a good thing to a fucking passive
hallow pelican
listened to who ðŸ˜
me
subtle tundra
please get out
cunning needle
ngl i actually liked the mini game part
meant you could send some low cp finishers
to keep envenom for longer when on low energy
hallow pelican
EP was shit and the minigame was completely unnecessary ... like everything else that came out of shadowlands (save the artwork) it was bullshit
true condor
i am wondering does this could be great for Sin bc its bleed dmg? like some talent could be useful for it?
subtle tundra
EP was shit and the minigame was completely unnecessary ... like everything else...
just cause it was from shadowlands doesnt mean it was bad
vale lantern
i am wondering does this could be great for Sin bc its bleed dmg? like some tale...
might not proc enough
hallow pelican
just cause it was from shadowlands doesnt mean it was bad
on the contrary ... thats EXACTLY why it was bad
subtle tundra
maybe it was bad in the context of sl, but now it was pretty smooth into the rotation
true condor
ic
sullen mural
i am wondering does this could be great for Sin bc its bleed dmg? like some tale...
doesnt work with talents
subtle tundra
not a big dps cd but rather a feel good one, being able to cheat a couple of fast spenders
felt in place to me
indigo oxide
Hello, this maybe has been asked a lot, I just started playing assa, is the transmitter not simming right? a lot of logs seem to be using it, but for me it sims pretty low
hardy crypt
not a big dps cd but rather a feel good one, being able to cheat a couple of fas...
i feel like it felt really good since we were really energy starved and without it our envenom uptime would be much lower
but now with dashing scoundrel and without vicious venoms i feel like it's not going to be a big deal
i'll probably still miss it, hitting that supercharged point with darkest night up and like 10 energy left felt so good
hot blade
is it optimal to run bubblewax/whetstone? and if so, which one goes on mainhand?
cunning needle
!wax
prisma monolithBOT
- Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
- Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)
golden loom
wax damage scales of ilvl right so should probably go on MH
hardy crypt
is it optimal to run bubblewax/whetstone? and if so, which one goes on mainhand?
yeah use it with whetstone, with whetstone on mainhand if i'm not mistaken
oh
i might be mistaken then 💀
hot blade
ok, thanks gigachads
unkempt karma
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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hardy crypt
@balmy condor what's the ideal play for envenoms in ST now? since we can't really track the pandemic for 2 stacks, do we just blindly spam it so that the 2 stacks don't ever drop for as long as we have energy or try to risk the 2nd stack falling off by trying to eyeball it and trying to envenom just before the 2nd stack drops?
slate crown
There is no pandemic to track for the second stack
There's no pandemic when you select TTK now
We don't exactly know the ideal play at the moment because we can't fully test in the sims, but you can at the very least track your stacks and see when your second one will fall off
and try to clip that envenom as little as possible
hardy crypt
still, we kind of want to reapply that second stack right before it drops so that we're permanently at 2 charges, right?
but there's no way of tracking when that 2nd charge drops off
slate crown
but there's no way of tracking when that 2nd charge drops off
There is.
There will be WAs for it
slate crown
As far as how you play it, one of the potential answers is you try to optimize 2 stacks
have 2 stacks as long as possible, and only envenom at 2 stacks when your second stack is just about to drop off
unfortunately there's no "Free" time range because we don't have pandemic anymore, so any amount you clip is truly lost uptime
Whispyr covers some of this in his video from today
hardy crypt
yeah I just didn't know how to clip it at least as possible without a way to track it
but since we don't have to eyeball it, it seems easy to do
slate crown
yeah, no eyeballing needed, there will be a way to see
wise gull
anyone know what this darkest night tracker is?
slate crown
Looks like a standard texture (or progress texture) aura on darkest night
wise gull
Wish I was more knowledgable about custom weakauras
slate crown
Yeah found the texture, it's fulmination
Then just trigger on aura player buff Darkest night
and add a timer text in the middle
simple as
west crown
have 2 stacks as long as possible, and only envenom at 2 stacks when your second...
So the gameplay is similar, just maintain 2 stacks in stead of 1 as much as possible
wise gull
Thank you!!
slate crown
So the gameplay is similar, just maintain 2 stacks in stead of 1 as much as poss...
As it seems thus far, subject to change as more testing is done.
I encourage you to watch Whispyr's video from today
west crown
Yeah I just watched it, just double checking if I understood correctly
hardy crypt
a little bit offtopic, is there a list of some good places to farm bubbling wax? i always farm it close to the waterworks entrance but it feels so slow
nvm saw the map
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> what's the ideal play for envenoms in ST now? since we can...
Maintaining 1 stack, or hitting 70% energy, whichever comes first
When ttk support is added we’ll see
gritty yew
Helo stabbers
Quick check - how much does multi dotting garotte outside of indiscriminate matter (in keys)
cobalt relic
Keep up enough bleeds to have energy
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
cunning needle
5 ruptures are more important than garrote as well
cobalt relic
^
cunning needle
who'd win 20% more agi or 2 more garrotes
gritty yew
So its a nice to have but not a priroity, as i understand it correctly
Im asking OUTSIDE of indiscriminate that is
I.e. garotte reapplying in aoe
cunning needle
just have it on the target youre hitting
cobalt relic
Yeah, swapping and applying an extra garrote is probably less DPS than using that CD to spatter another envenom tbh
gritty yew
Amazing. Assume its decent to switch target to garrote and back if i am 1 cp away frkm max
hardy crypt
Quick check - how much does multi dotting garotte outside of indiscriminate matt...
only keep it up on main target
in aoe
if you dont have carnage
gritty yew
Yipee i understood the assignment
cunning needle
Amazing. Assume its decent to switch target to garrote and back if i am 1 cp awa...
you'll probably lose more damage trying to min max this
hardy crypt
keeping ruptures up is a must, at least 5
cunning needle
than just prio envenom caustic splatter
hardy crypt
keeping ruptures up is a must, at least 5
but garroting not so much
gritty yew
Thank you kindly, stabby people
slate crown
who'd win 20% more agi or 2 more garrotes
h-bomb vs coughing baby
unborn island
is the 606 ilvl item from vault a hero track item
the one u get from delve
nvm i google xd
it says t7 for hero gear
and i only done t6
dim mural
So they really doing that tea change? No last minute changes..
torpid lion
we talking about hbomberguy in here?
royal robin
anyone here who can do a log analysis for me? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3jckyQ6ZBNfWrHgT#fight=7&type=damage-done
would like to just know how to improve my damage in dungeons
cobalt sphinx
your'e using instant poison
cobalt sphinx
anyone here who can do a log analysis for me? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/repor...
use amplifying and deadly
no instant poison
royal robin
ah, ok
slate crown
we talking about hbomberguy in here?
cobalt sphinx
set up tempest earlier and stop mutilating so much on aoe
indigo mulch
wait they are buffing sin by another 6ish %? O_o; wat is dis I thought we were in a decent spot D:
subtle tundra
a lot of other classes are getting buffed aswell
balancing will be a mess for a bit
unborn island
Hero starts at 610
oh ok
dim yacht
so how is it neutral in dungeons? if were not using twist in aoe, and echoing is a direct nerf right? passive, but need an extra talent point to get as much out of it
an extra talent point needed to get the same amount of extra CP over a duration as echoing would give you, and you dont get the damage from echoing
subtle tundra
so how is it neutral in dungeons? if were not using twist in aoe, and echoing is...
we dont go full echoing in m+
its double lethality
woah cold blood sucks then
subtle tundra
well now we dont, but we will
dim yacht
isnt the reason for going into double lethality because echoing is strictly worse?
im trying to understand what keeps the damage neutral if were switching to lethality, and not using twist
subtle tundra
i dont fucking get what you mean
dim yacht
right now echoing > lethality, right? so if were switching to lethality (presumably because echoing is nerfed) then whats making it neutral
thats the part im not getting
subtle tundra
if you remove 1 point from echoing and put it into lethality, so basically same as the patch build, it should be equal
dim yacht
okay, so double lethality now is basically neutral currently?
subtle tundra
its like 9k dps less in dslice for me
dim yacht
okay that answers that i was asking
i kinda wanna try twist anyway though in m+ personally
subtle tundra
and id think 1 new er point > 1 er point now
for m+
but its so irrelevant number wise
i wouldnt care
cobalt sphinx
that is tragic lol
subtle tundra
im more mad er is gone....
sharp viper
im more mad er is gone....
same, happy snd is passive now but I will miss ER
kind forge
is whispyr okay ?
magic ginkgo
Is there a reason we're so good on M rash? Is there a damage amp that ive been not paying attention to? o.o
cobalt sphinx
execute half the fight
cunning needle
is whispyr okay ?
is whispyr ever okay?
magic ginkgo
with supercharger, will the burst set up be deathmark>kingsbane>shiv> finisher?
and like always preload a finisher before bursting?
steel ridge
huh
subtle tundra
pretty sure you play normally
earnest remnant
yeh u do
magic ginkgo
I'd also assume symbolic victory smokes lingering darkness now as well?
subtle tundra
and its just some passive damage
magic ginkgo
okie dokie
magic ginkgo
yeah... true
subtle tundra
thanks blizzdong
magic ginkgo
this thisle thing is gonna be so bad for pooling
subtle tundra
its whatever i dont fuckingn care they might aswell fuck my wife too
subtle tundra
yes i am
sullen mural
we had gameplay removed
Did we tho
subtle tundra
and?
sullen mural
we have higher apm than before
so technically we press more buttons
just less variety
magic ginkgo
higher apm til we bottom out
subtle tundra
thats not a good thing to me
earnest remnant
varas killing boss soon?
normal mist
Leave your future wife out of this!
subtle tundra
varas killing boss soon?
we had a lot of p3 wipes
earnest remnant
yeah i saw
sharp viper
varas killing boss soon?
which one?
normal mist
Queen
subtle tundra
queen
sullen mural
thats not a good thing to me
I get what you mean but but in theory its gmaeplay added cuz less auto attacking and waiting for shit, but as said, i get what you mean
covert tree
what refunds all cp when i rupture a target?
honest needle
will sin still be good after patch do you think or will outlaw or sub pull ahead ? should i plan ons witching specs ?
wary rain
Question is the wowhead bis list correct ? Cuz i dont really understand why you wouldnt have crit mastery on both daggers
earnest remnant
what refunds all cp when i rupture a target?
bonespike
subtle tundra
we got pretty consistent at p1 really fast
yea the nerfs to p1 made prog feel better
you dont just die from thin air anymore
wary rain
Or is there a crit / mastery cap ?
earnest remnant
stats are a balancing act
earnest remnant
yea the nerfs to p1 made prog feel better
you dont just die from thin air anymor...
played assa last night cuz i forgot to race change
but outside of that it was kinda fun
subtle tundra
assa is good on the fight, spatter good
earnest remnant
this menace is pulling up
subtle tundra
HO LEE
grim jay
this menace is pulling up
Ew
honest needle
will sin still be good for m+ with new patch comming out ? does anyone kno or should i plan to play sub or outlaw ?
normal mist
will sin still be good for m+ with new patch comming out ? does anyone kno or sh...
Pins
wary rain
you just sim whatveer u drop
I mean atm i basically have full crit / mastery at this point thats why im asking since "bid list" says regicide x2 or the other dgger from raid
subtle tundra
assa p3 is really good
wary rain
Oh ok
earnest remnant
Only reason there is a BiS list on guides
is because the guide writers gets told to add them
if we could choose, there wouldnt be any
wary rain
Aaaaa gotcha !
sharp viper
don't let stealthi gaslight you, whispyr LOVES BIS lists
shy pecan
(It's there for the clicks)
sullen mural
just for google if someone googles "ASSA ROGUE BIS"
