assassination

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

its kinda meh, have to aim a frontal and one of the hits is uncapped aoe so you have to abuse that to make it pop off and it's real janky

[bitter bolt]

Thx!

[vital dew]

Oh my did I read those patch notes right? "Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend."

never having to cast S&D again:O

[balmy condor]

yes

[vital dew]

its like christmas came early

[warm vortex]

Anyone know the easiest delve to spam tier 8 for weekly

[upper spear]

for the Twist the Knife buff, is it just duration or is there something else being added?

[fossil lotus]

hi im new here, im looking for assistance with a weakaura, if anyone is able to point me right way

[strange python]

idk if i like the removing of slice and dice

i guess its real minor

[sweet cave]

one less button to hit

[upper spear]

idk why you wouldnt like that

[iron valve]

it lets envenom buff stack twice

[strange python]

but idk if id have to say yes or no id say no on removing it

Don’t wanna press a gcd to get more attack speed

So thanks for that

[upper spear]

they arent removing it

its just not a button

[strange python]

Yes so I don’t press a gcd

?

[sweet cave]

Honestly they should just give us the extra attack speed now instead of some hidden passive that just happens now

[vital dew]

Theres no immersion for S&D its just a matenence buff and thats boring

[strange python]

idk i just worry they get rid of all the "extra" things

and things become more streamlined and more like everything else

[vital dew]

Pruning out the unneeded stuff makes it easier to balance

[strange python]

how i feel with dust removal too

[upper spear]

i press slice and dice maybe twice per key

and once per raid boss

what are you missing out on lol

[vital dew]

That said i do miss ammunition

[dense cloud]

am i dumb? was this talent always here?

[strange python]

Yes it’s just really bad

[dense cloud]

lmao

[sweet cave]

That terrible lol

[dense cloud]

i just realised its t here

[thorn thorn]

Back in my day...

[upper spear]

oh no trust

i played classic

hated pressing it

[thorn thorn]

Still dont like pressing it even though its pressed very little

[strange python]

It’s just unnecessary

[upper spear]

yes

[thorn thorn]

Pretty good change to make it a passive imo

[strange python]

If ur only pressing it once why is it there

[vital dew]

Exactly

[strange python]

(Don’t make us press it more that’s not what I’m suggesting)

[vital dew]

its a wasted keybind

[strange python]

[inland escarp]

feels bad if you get brez'd too

[upper spear]

ok so Slice and Dice is now part of ur rotation for a 3 second mastery buff each time its press MUST PRESS IT DURING KB WINDOW

[thorn thorn]

[upper spear]

start and finish of KB window

[thorn thorn]

Guess ill reroll Outlaw

[upper spear]

no no youll love it

[thorn thorn]

[upper spear]

do we get to drop Bonespike in this new patch

[inland escarp]

why wouyld you do that

[thorn thorn]

I havent been super up to date with all of the rogue stuff, but KB feels like it does less than in DF

[upper spear]

i want to put points somewhere else

[strange python]

If it’s off gcd that’s fine

[thorn thorn]

Maybe im imagining it

[strange python]

Just don’t gcd me for attack speed

kb did get big nerf

[thorn thorn]

Wut

[zenith cradle]

overall is assassination rogue getting a buff or nerf with the changes?

[cedar hare]

Buff i think

[thorn thorn]

How much of a nerf was it?

[upper spear]

a lot

on KB

from DF

[thorn thorn]

I knew some shit was up

[upper spear]

new patch i think is a buff

more ST dam

Whysper was doing sims

i forget the results

was also janky AF cause API wasnt working or some shit

[zenith cradle]

oh nice, what's the source of the ST damage buff? echoing reprimand changes and master assassin buff?

[cedar hare]

Well NA will do the sims one day before eu. So soon

[upper spear]

i think its Twise the Knife

giving us mroe Env dam

[zenith cradle]

oh yeah forgot about that one too

that's pretty nice

it'll be nice to spam in our damage windows

[upper spear]

i took the Hybrid build and made a small adjustment @balmy condor is this cursed? 1% dam loss (swapped Bonespike for Blindside)

was like 30k less overall in Dslice

imk a monkey and struggle without Blindside

[marble hemlock]

swapping out SBS is heresy

its just very nice qol for aoe openers

[thorn thorn]

SBS feels good in aoe

[upper spear]

is just rather have more energy on bosses

[marble hemlock]

Blindside doesnt give you more energy on bosses

Just occasionally gives you an extra button to press

[upper spear]

free mutilate = more energy

ambush

w/e

[marble hemlock]

No, you still generate the same amount of Energy

[upper spear]

.......

[meager spade]

Chance to proc a free you’ve still got to spend before you get a proc…

[marble hemlock]

And you lose the 2% Lethal Dose damage bonus from SBS

And the DoT itself, but thats negligible

[upper spear]

but this wont matter in next patch

[grave trail]

you do lets say you get 4 blindside procs ina row you would energy regen the whole time

[upper spear]

i think he was trolling, surely

[grave trail]

prob

[twin ore]

So with the thistle tea change, are we not going to be able to spam shit on low energy incase we dip below 30 energy?

[restive spire]

Is thistle tea still a button you can press as well as a passive that uses below 30 energy

[twin ore]

Yeah but you don't want it to proc when you don't want it. It's normally used in your cd windows.

[marble hemlock]

Sigh... You still generate the same amount of Energy, you just end up having more APM. Yeah, it's just semantics really, but it matters. You end up comparing the raw damage gained from Ambush and the handful of CP you generate through them, vs the 2% Lethal Dose gain, better AoE openers and SBS DoT

[marble hemlock]

why?

[stark hedge]

Bait used to be believable

[upper spear]

because the QOL of SBS combos is normally spent on S&D no?

[marble hemlock]

no

its spent on being able to garrote, rupture, rupture (or garrote, rupture, ct)

[upper spear]

maybe not on all, but 2 extra CP per pull is.... not my biggest concern

or w/e it ends up being

its not a lot

[marble hemlock]

you dont have to use a builder in between finishers as the rupture that is being cast on 3 targets with IC, gets you 3 bonespikes which immediately cap your CP again

[grave trail]

lets look at an extreme situation, if blindside was permanent and you never had to spend energy on mut you would on theory never run out of energy also you get to darkest night faster which gives energy

[marble hemlock]

that's not what makes it so strong. what makes it good is the fact that you only have 6 seconds of Indiscriminate carnage up, so having to spend GCDs on builders instead of garrote/rupture is not great

[restive spire]

are we gonna be fan of knivesing on st again now since we dont talent vicious venoms

[upper spear]

to be clear, i know its not better

im saying ti just feels better on boss fights

simmed it, its a 50k dps loss

Dslice

[marble hemlock]

if your rupture doesnt return CP via SBS, you end up going g-g-r-fok-r-fok and then IC ends. with sbs you can get g-g-r-r-fok-r and get 3 extra ruptures out, or cast CT at the end if you wanted to, or cast another garrote for silence extension, just way more options

[hallow pelican]

im still trying to figure out how that dude hit a 13 million envenom

[marble hemlock]

with a positive mental attitude

[upper spear]

which boss?

[marble hemlock]

ingra

boss takes 200% extra damage during the vuln

so he hit a ~4.3mil envenom, which is more than possible, especially with the agi buff from the shrooms

[upper spear]

ingra buff + PI + Aug?

[marble hemlock]

pi wont change envenom damage

[restive spire]

this was without thistle tea and consumables

[hallow pelican]

this was a raid slice he posted on

[upper spear]

big number

[hallow pelican]

and it wasnt court

[upper spear]

ill do more testing with this, i felt starved on bosses sometimes

[marble hemlock]

thats normal.

assa is not a spec that presses buttons on the GCD

[upper spear]

yaya i get pooling and all that

ive weaseled my way up to 2650

Blindside just feels so smooth

[marble hemlock]

blindside adds like 3 darkest night procs on a 2min fight, maybe 4 if you get lucky. thats 160 energy over 120 seconds. in the same timeframe, venomous vim added 1200 energy, you generated ~1400 energy passively, you got 200 from thistletea and ~200 from dashing scoundrel.

160 energy is 3 mutilates

congratulations

you added a grand total of 3 mutilates worth of energy in a 2minute boss fight by speccing blindsight (on top of the free casts, ofc)

[brave pulsar]

Yo guys, i'm a outlaw player trying assa. Whats the ideal status for us in %?

[upper spear]

its gotta be more than that tho, are you accounting for the increased proc rate at execute range?

[marble hemlock]

i based it off of the 5min sim average (28.4ambush/5min) which includes execute range, yes

[grand trail]

monday and there is no video

little bit dissapointed

[upper spear]

was that the last 2 mins of the sim then?

[marble hemlock]

what?

i just calculated the average per minute

[restive spire]

wasnt gonna drink tonight but imma miss echoing reprimand like a mf

[upper spear]

1st post you said 2 min fight, 2nd you said 5 min sim

[marble hemlock]

ye

if it casts an average of 28.4 ambushes in a 5min fight, it casts an average of 11.36 ambushes in a 2min fight

which is like 37 extra CP, which comes out to like 6-8 extra finishers, which comes out to 3 Darkest night procs

[narrow siren]

hey how long do the big spiders have to live on heroic brood for it to be worth to apply rupture? i

[marble hemlock]

on heroic i wouldnt bother, and even on mythic its probably not worth

[drowsy geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[upper spear]

i only rup spiders if im low on energy for a quick boost

[narrow siren]

gotchu

appreciate yall

[drowsy geyser]

anyone got just a clickable poison weakaura reminder that is working without errors?

[upper spear]

LE's works fine?

[drowsy geyser]

seems like im blind, got link?

[grand trail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[upper spear]

its legit like

[safe barn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[upper spear]

2 texs above us

lmao

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/1ojN3r7.jpeg

[drowsy geyser]

i want just the poison reminder

[restive spire]

delete the rest

[upper spear]

^

become comfortable with editing WAs

life becomes very nice

[marble hemlock]

but ye @upper spear the tl,dr is that while it may play smoother, you gotta ask yourself if thats more important than actual damage

higher apm doesnt equal higher damage if every part of your kit deals less damage

[soft frost]

are we using crimson tempest in m+ ST with deathmark running?

[upper spear]

depends if im stupid or not

controlling the urge to slam mutilate on GCD

[marble hemlock]

if youve talented into CT, its a tiny gain to use it on st

[wild hound]

Trying to get ahead of this stupid patch with regards to thistle tea. Do we think it's possible to make a weakaura that plays a sound when we drop below 100 energy?

[spice surge]

You could

[marble hemlock]

ideally when you have the momentum of despair buff op from using fok in st after proccing clear the witnesses

[spice surge]

But why would you, it doesnt really matter

[marble hemlock]

psure you just keep using tea alongside kb

manually

[wild hound]

So I don't use up my thistle tea charges like an idiot from accidentaly falling below the threshold for energy

[spice surge]

Which you wont anyway

[wild hound]

Wow it's nice having someone believe so fully in me. Idk tho haha, I think you overestimate me

[arctic socket]

You will only proc tea if you’re spamming

[dark bluff]

do whetstones go on both weapons or just one?

[arctic socket]

Both

[restive spire]

even if you do spam and it auto drinks isnt the dps loss really really small

[spice surge]

The change doesnt matter

[slate crown]

Mine isn't (and won't be) clickable

[wild hound]

Yeah, I just think it's gonna be so damn hard when my rup is falling, my envenom buff is falling off, and I have like 3 globals to make it work. But I guess I let the envenom buff fall off, refresh rup and pool til 70%

Gotta get in that headspace

[limber lion]

Hey we don't even do that currently

[restive spire]

envenom buff is like never gonna fall off

[upper spear]

QOL down the drain, cant believe you.

[marble hemlock]

speak for yourself

[grand trail]

did nto they remove that mastery part of tea

[dark bluff]

It's definitely still on the skill TT, I'm looking at it right now

[grand trail]

and is the new tea only passive from trigger or you can still use it ?

[marble hemlock]

it does, and you still wanna use it during shiv (which you use during KB) unless youd overcap energy

[grand trail]

as active button

[marble hemlock]

can still use it

[grand trail]

ah cool than

[arctic socket]

Tea change isn’t really a change

It just now auto actives for casuals

[marble hemlock]

not for assa, anyway

think its more of a HO outlaw change if anything

[dark bluff]

It's only a change if you were using too much energy

[marble hemlock]

so they dont have to press it, and they might actually run out of energy once in a blue moon

without caring when it gets used

[grand trail]

it will pop for me here and there for sure

sometimes i lose track of energy in fight

[marble hemlock]

dropping below 30 energy as assa is kinda difficult

unless you spam skills (which you shouldnt)

[grand trail]

oh its 30

[upper spear]

challenge accepted

[marble hemlock]

esp with us not playing VV anymore

and getting extra energy from double dashing

[grand trail]

i never liked VV

[marble hemlock]

we have a few more resources at our disposal than current iteration

[restive spire]

theres gonna be no vv no sanguine blades pooling be damned

[frosty linden]

currently cleave build with Zoldyck and AP is simming higher by around 1%, is it worth it to swap over and slightly alter my rotation for this potential damage increase or is it likely to just be the dungeon slice being idealistic?

[wild hound]

Ahh thats fair. wait no SB? Thank god. I thought I was gonna have to constantly keep my energy between 50 and 150 energy xD

[marble hemlock]

cleave build is basically just more st and less aoe/overall dam

[upper spear]

think cleave is only good on like 12s+ and might have something to dow ith comp

[marble hemlock]

really only worth playing if you desperately need the ST dam

and even then its not like a major gain

[upper spear]

i did not enjoy it, would rather be a pack blaster

[frosty linden]

yeah figured as much, currently running 11s but honestly ST damage has not been an issue and its barely much of a difference as is

thanks 🙂

[royal python]

Isn't the ER change a net Nerf for deathstalkers, earlier you could just just land max cp, now no longer

[spice surge]

You'd also do more damage with the darkest night instead

Overall its about the same

[limber lion]

Does 5+2, 6+2 and 7+2 all consume DN?

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

Good good

[marble hemlock]

what about 4+3?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slate crown]

2+5?

[shy pecan]

1+6?

[cunning needle]

0+7?

[iron valve]

4*2?

[cunning needle]

k thats just being silly

[slate crown]

yeah that makes no sense

those are two entirely separate numbers

[cunning needle]

none of that tom foolery around in here

mods?

[limber lion]

where are ya'll getting so many extra cp's sheesh

share hax

[balmy condor]

34 min

[cunning needle]

?????????????

how omnious

[limber lion]

Very cool

[marble hemlock]

thats quite the stamina

[thorn thorn]

Very ominous

[marble hemlock]

usually takes me like 5-10

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

6 is ideal

[marble hemlock]

i agree

means you can do a 5minuten terrine before you start

and then you have a snack ready when youre done

[tall atlas]

hello

[tall atlas]

youre ideal

[half dawn]

is there any uptime stat for buffs worth looking at for assa in M+ runs?

[restive spire]

do the charged combo points from shiv last for 30 seconds

like how they currently last for the cd of echoing reprimand

[balmy condor]

I think so

but like

if it takes you 30 seconds for 2 finishers

there's different problems

[marble hemlock]

whats the cap on supercharged CP?

[restive spire]

yeah but if 2 points super charger it could be awkward if theres a clunky point from the first shiv charge i feel maybe

[marble hemlock]

can you stack them up before a dungeon?

[balmy condor]

it resets to 2 on encounter start

but I think solo said it doesn't reset on m+ encounter?

[marble hemlock]

so whats the cap?

do we start m+ with 100 supercharged CPs?

[balmy condor]

I wanna say 8

might be 6

[marble hemlock]

thats not too bad

[balmy condor]

idk what that means

[marble hemlock]

40sec build time before a dungeon with a turnip

[restive spire]

sorry english isnt my first language
like if we end up running 2 points of supercharger and have 4 charged points during kingsbane there could be ones that are hard to hit during 30 sec cd?

[balmy condor]

there is no "hard to hit"

it just empowers the next finisher

2 points of supercharge = next 2 finishers

[restive spire]

oh so its not like echoing reprimand

[bleak spoke]

minigame is gone

[full coral]

naw old ER gone

[bleak spoke]

[restive spire]

oh i thought it charged semi random combo points like er

[balmy condor]

they reworked it specifically to make it not echoing reprimand :P

[restive spire]

sorry

[tawdry hamlet]

605 ilvl, and at 5 mins I did 141million damage, did I crack the code? I feel good! 👀

[balmy condor]

you gonna make me do math

141, 300s

thats like

900?

950?

wait no what

half that

470k

[tawdry hamlet]

Did I do good mom/dad/parental figure O:

[balmy condor]

[restive spire]

cracked the wrong code buster

[balmy condor]

470k on what

[tawdry hamlet]

Uhh target dummy, the raid one

[limber lion]

Why don't you just look at the dps number

[balmy condor]

okay I guess that's acceptable

[tawdry hamlet]

I'll take acceptable!!

🥳

[balmy condor]

what do you sim on a dummy at that ilvl?

[limber lion]

If he's looking at total damage done and not dps, I doubt he's doing target dummy sims

I'll hold my breath

[balmy condor]

yeah true aight makes sense

[limber lion]

I would love to be proven wrong

Dumb sentence, idk what I was even saying

anyways

[restive spire]

606 alt

[limber lion]

Why don't you just send the link

Why take a picture

[restive spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fcC3sNTbCMt1KswGsTnSUd

[balmy condor]

patchwerk

[limber lion]

Manually disabling everything

What a gangster

[balmy condor]

its fine I'll resim it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5nzcitgXStbQCb4E5vDmcH

650ish

but it does have tier

idk 470 might be lower end

semi reasonable

[warm raft]

what are we doing here lol

[restive spire]

apologies for my stupidity

[tawdry hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kptBY5yi2q56ZHzuSdcpJz sorry, had to grab water before I do SoD raids here is the target dummy simmed

[balmy condor]

Okay

Maybe 470 bit low

Can probably reach 550ish without much fuss

[balmy condor]

Looking at low ilvl target dummy sims to figure out where the guy should be

[tawdry hamlet]

Ok! 🫡

[crude sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oRQuX8pNeL6naBxuDZBLv4 this craft worth it or nah cus idk man

[warm raft]

why are sin rogues taking so much verse gear now or stacking verse gems

[nova kelp]

coz vers isn't bad

[warm raft]

Everytime I sim i just want haste

[balmy condor]

Yeh go for it

If you don’t have a myth track chest why not

[crude sequoia]

yeah only got a hero one

[balmy condor]

You can just upgrade for free when you do get one

[nova kelp]

sims will alter a bunch depending on your current set up, another persons sim might tell them to go for more crit, all our stats are relatively close as sin @warm raft

[crude sequoia]

that was kinda my thought as well

i'm doing it

[idle radish]

what does whispyr mean by the "speed of sin" going way up

[bleak spoke]

you press more buttons

[marble hemlock]

higher apm

[idle radish]

what causes that

[tawdry hamlet]

I hit 508k dps, 🫡 time to raid!

[marble hemlock]

ttk+dashing meaning more energy from dashing (as we get the benefit twice with 2 envenom stacks), and no more vicious venoms which increased the cost of mutilate, so we get cheaper mutilates now

[vale lantern]

Press more buttons more often 😄

[bleak spoke]

twistyknife playable

[nova kelp]

zoomersin4lyf

[warm raft]

im awful at pooling so W

[vale lantern]

I havnt been pooling at all this tier 🤷🏻‍♀️

[restive spire]

its more than playable its unplayable without it now lol

[warm raft]

I feel like my energy regen is slow af

[wise gull]

it is

[marble hemlock]

do you have poisons on?

[nova kelp]

lol

[warm raft]

OH SHIT your right lol

[crude sequoia]

sin is just slow energy regen

especially

[bleak spoke]

LMFAO

[wise gull]

omfg

[crude sequoia]

without ur poisons

[bleak spoke]

the classic

[warm raft]

NO shit i have them on haha

[nova kelp]

but no, it is slow

[marble hemlock]

yeah well, it does happen from time to time ya know

[crude sequoia]

i remember playing around with the sub spec then switching back to sin

[warm raft]

I have a huge WA for it lol so I cant forget

[crude sequoia]

having no energy regen on aoe

i was so certain game was bugged

until i realized i didnt have my poisons

[nova kelp]

if you want fast energy regen and/or bleeds that actually do dam, go feral.

enjoy getting invites to keys

[bleak spoke]

i've definitely had raids where my opener casts are ambush garrote rupture snd amp poison deadly poison

[wise gull]

we've all done it

[vale lantern]

I did that once where I was like why do I have no energy right now then I realized my poisons fell off

[restive spire]

i was about to say no energy on aoe is a divine gift

[wise gull]

[idle radish]

hmm this sounds fun

[warm raft]

I might just be spamming my buttons to much

[marble hemlock]

its not a major improvement, mind you

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-planet-of-the-apes-gif-4887024567657918299

[marble hemlock]

think we go from like 48apm to 55?

[vale lantern]

Also blaming healers for me dying when I should have pressed faint saves me 25 energy as well

[marble hemlock]

something like that

[crude sequoia]

ima be spamming feint after update

hard

[warm raft]

If i dont do this I die haha

[vale lantern]

Exactly healer mechanic

[marble hemlock]

ye just macro feint and mutilate together

[bleak spoke]

LOL

[crude sequoia]

lmao

[warm raft]

I was thinking this lmao

[marble hemlock]

#showtooltip
/cast Mutilate
/cast Feint
/train```

[keen spruce]

is this good?

[nova kelp]

the real trick is to not press it at all and let the healers realise their new baseline requirement

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor

[wise gull]

Hey there mr

I hate you

[vale lantern]

Wtf is the /train

[bleak spoke]

[restive spire]

choooo chooooooo

[warm raft]

I just have no faith in healers so I do it so i dont die but i could jsut let it flop and see what happens

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/all-aboard-train-choo-choo-express-locomotive-gif-20501901

[marble hemlock]

makes your character do a "choo choo" sound to piss off anybody who plays with ingame sound effects enabled

[keen spruce]

[wise gull]

Meanwhile me at 54 grim batols

[vale lantern]

Ohh shit I should macro that into every button!

[restive spire]

vro has 2 ilvl texts on every item

[crude sequoia]

this looks so messy

[keen spruce]

i just

opened the game

and enabled all of hte addons

[vale lantern]

Honestly I only get worried when my screen flashes red then I press pot and go back to what I. Was doing

[nova kelp]

get some enchants bruh

[warm raft]

yeah I am drinker for sureee

[keen spruce]

i'm not enchanting veteran track gear while I get carried through +7s

[marble hemlock]

leech

[bleak spoke]

soon you will be carrying them

[vale lantern]

I do. Enjoy when I get the “did you press feint” question and I respond with the “did you have me at full health” or the “why was I at 40% health for 5 seconds before my death”

[wise gull]

I'm gonna get skardyns today I can feel it

[vale lantern]

Myth track in your vault trust

[shy pecan]

[nova kelp]

trinkets don't exist in vault

[shy pecan]

You’re not suppose to come back. Suppose to enjoy retirement

[wise gull]

pov: you're stuck in grim batol prison

[marble hemlock]

well, if you pressed feint before dropping to 40% HP, you may have lived without needing spothealing

[nova kelp]

uahahahahaahah holy fuck that's awesome

[bleak spoke]

the trick is when you're dying, you say "this is [feint/evasion/cloak/etc]" in an aggressive tone of voice

then you get healed

[vale lantern]

You make a good point but then I press 1 less global doing damage

[marble hemlock]

love people using their shieldwall at 10% hp after getting hit

thinking itll magically help them survive getting hit for the remaining 10%

[restive spire]

dying is more globals lost

[vale lantern]

You’d think that

[marble hemlock]

if its a dungeon, dying and getting CRed is a free restealth

tbf

[vale lantern]

True but if I’m dead usually other dps are dead too so we are wiping anyway

[nova kelp]

don't you bring your LoGIc into this!

[bleak spoke]

also i've borrowed "deaddeaddeaddeaddead" from pvpers tbh

[vale lantern]

I will usually use every other off global defensive before I use my faint cause I ain’t about to waste a global on something that shouldn’t 1 shot me

[bleak spoke]

[wise gull]

just a casual 54 runs i'm super duper not losing my mind

[nova kelp]

at least GB is a super nice, non toxic, calm dungeon

[restive spire]

me sitting staring at my frost dk to brez me during his breath window

[vale lantern]

Game teased me I ran 30 or so got mine dropped on a Monday and it gave me myth track on Tuesday

[wise gull]

exactly! my favourite place to spend my free time

[marble hemlock]

ye that aint happening, and honestly, i respect it

CRing during breath is kinda troll

[bleak spoke]

^

[wise gull]

at least i can get into groups easily now

[solar orbit]

are you guys using assa for awakening the machine?

[vale lantern]

Are people still doing awakening the machine?

[solar orbit]

Just for the keys

[marble hemlock]

people who dont raid mythic (yet) are

[vale lantern]

I think I did it 1ce and never looked back took to long

[nova kelp]

you can like go into awakening with no talents at all if you have half decent gear

[solar orbit]

yeah, just wanted to know if there's a spec that can do it noticeably faster

[nova kelp]

the biggest thing that slows awakening down is the gap between waves tbh

[keen spruce]

yes but a cute girl wanted to do 7s

and i'm a weak human

[vale lantern]

I do theater Thorpe, weekly quest, spiders weekly, and hallow fall for my keys when I was getting them on all toons

[wise gull]

it's a trap

[shy pecan]

You should teach her a fun game, like Lockdown Protocol

[solar orbit]

i haven't done hallowfall once, how does it work

[vale lantern]

U run over get 12 radiant things from either killing mobs or picking them off the floor or chest in the area turn on 4 of the small fires and then leave

[solar orbit]

how do you get that?

[vale lantern]

I edited it

[solar orbit]

Great, thanks

[severe sparrow]

i cant handle those farm quests down there without a checklist addon

[nova kelp]

some of the mobs in the hallowfall area are a bit of a shitter if you don't have good gear mind

take a friend

[vale lantern]

I usually land kill a bunch of the flowers and I have enough

[dawn heath]

i abit confused about this

[severe sparrow]

also some of them are buggy af

or maybe im dumb

[dawn heath]

wouldnt we want to apply caustic before using our first envenom? or second?

in aoe

[solar orbit]

You do, in the opener

[vale lantern]

Pretty sure u just don’t wanna over cap combo points

[dawn heath]

i mean this is the cooldown sequence on wowhead

[severe sparrow]

that's the cd seq and not the opener

[dawn heath]

even if u overcap combo points using envenom without caustic seems bad?

[severe sparrow]

it's probably assuming you already have spatter up

[solar orbit]

here's the opener

[dawn heath]

yeah in that case it makes more sense

[severe sparrow]

i dunno how i feel about these new flowchart things

[zinc willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[severe sparrow]

vs the ol "pick your talents and the list below changes" style

im sure there's people who prefer them but i find them mildly overwhelming and i know the rotation

[dawn heath]

i feel like i know the rotation too but my parses says otherwise 💀

[solar sinew]

Why are they taking my tea from me

[dawn heath]

it is kinda frustrating when you don't really know what you are doing wrong

[royal lantern]

tea is only for Citizens of the UK

[gray marsh]

how do you track caustic spatter? Plater or is there a good WA?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[severe sparrow]

plater better for it ime

i think all the plater profiles ^ have it built in

[gray marsh]

ahh darn i like jundies a lot, going to see if i can figure out how to merge something in, ty

[severe sparrow]

yeah you can steal them theyre just scripts

[gray marsh]

cool ty!

[dawn heath]

how much is normal envenom uptime?

jst pulled out a log here

87% in sikran

mythic

[modest gale]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[solar orbit]

In theory, 95%+?

[dawn heath]

i guess haste does affect it slightly too

i only have 2k haste

[west crown]

Reality is probably closer to 90%+ because you will eventually have to pool

[modest gale]

top rogues playing ascendance in keys is it better?

[dawn heath]

think the gaps i had there i probably got the mechanic

on sikran

[cunning needle]

probably playing it for raid

[serene girder]

I think they are just raiders who also push

[modest gale]

2x dawn better?

[dawn heath]

dawn is better but it barely matters

its only better because u can lose y our stacks in downtime in duengons

[cunning needle]

you can run 2s focusing lens

[dawn heath]

which will happend

[cunning needle]

and its like

-0.4% difference

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8VfaqGfwg5wHAxdScPgoQJ

[lucid silo]

finally a whispyr video so i know how to play the game

[cunning needle]

this is for raid

im running focusing lens atm

and its such a whatever burger toupgraade

[cerulean maple]

Short question: was doing a mythic w/ another assa rogue and my aoe was almost always 2x or higher of his, but he had INSANELY high sudden demise damage so he would always almost catch up at the end of a trash pack depending on the size / amoutn of small critters

what am i doing wrong that my sudden demise is so smol?

[dawn heath]

probably not re-refreshing your bleeds

[west crown]

That feels like an interaction where only one rogue is going to get the demise proc

[dawn heath]

sudden demise doesnt do much damage do

tho

you take the talent for the 10% blee ddam

[cerulean maple]

since its low keys i usually get all my bleeds onto things and just caustic spam shit to death

[west crown]

It certainly does in low keys

[cerulean maple]

he had a lot higher CT damage so maybe he reapplied more often

[dawn heath]

💀

sudden demise

did 1% of my dmg

[cerulean maple]

at the cost of dealing no damage most of the time and then a lot of damage at the end of a trash fight

[west crown]

What key level

[dawn heath]

14

[west crown]

That’s not low lmao

[cerulean maple]

im smooching

obviously mine is scrolled down

wait how was his caustic so low what is he cooking

[dawn heath]

that damage breakdown looks horrid

[autumn remnant]

sudden demise is op in low keys

[cerulean maple]

mine from the top

considering he almost damage matched me when his caustic was.... that...

i suppose it is

[sour oasis]

Hello my brotheres sin

[dawn heath]

i think its just that things die so fast in lowkeys

or u dont apply ur caustic

[west crown]

Well sudden demise and tempest should be higher as it is

[dawn heath]

cause my caustic is doing like 40% more than envenom

[sour oasis]

What is the !point to know how many is better to mouseover rupture and garrot

to not apply on se same

or this doesnt exist and i see it on the guide o?

[cerulean maple]

is it worth reapplying ruptures/garrotes in lower keys (below 10s) to non-maintarget enemies just for sd? or just keep CT up high duration for sd

[dawn heath]

if you are in m+ build you just hit your main target and spread, however if u chain pull u would need to manually apply them, i do that with mouseover or if the pack lives long enough

then u may need to refresh them also

[sour oasis]

if u do a grp with +6 targets i think is better mouseover

[dawn heath]

from stealth?

or what do umean

[sour oasis]

yes from stealth

u will put on 6

targets

like garrot

[idle inlet]

Stupid question. Were yall running the same talents cuz the bleed build on wowhead makes sudden demise do silly things

[cerulean maple]

i usually ambush > garr > rupt > change target > garr > change target > garr > rupt > start caustig gaming

[cerulean maple]

no idea how i would check tbh

[idle inlet]

You would of had to check his talents when you were with him i think

[solar orbit]

pro tip: use a mouseover rupture and garrote so you don't need to change target

[cerulean maple]

do u just macro your normal garr/ rupt buttons to mouseover?

[autumn remnant]

u can stay on the same target, u dont rly HAVE to change

[solar orbit]

yeah, mouseover > focus > target, in that order

[cerulean maple]

i just wanted to be top on the board while 5 ilvl down lmao but every trash pack i would be sitting 2-4x higher than his damage until everything sudden demise popped

[cerulean maple]

what would this look like as a macro

[idle inlet]

Are you running the hybrid build from wowhead?

[runic helm]

Are there sims on if Dracthyr is a decent race choice for sin in 11.0.5?

[solar orbit]

#showtooltip Garrote
/cast [@mouseover,harm][@focus,harm][] Garrote

[cerulean maple]

when there are 2 assassination rogues, does the one who has a higher sudden demise threshhold get the proc and the 2nd rogue doesn't?

[solar orbit]

it checks for mouseover, if there's none, it applies on focus, if there's none, it applies on target

its useful for kick, as well

[cerulean maple]

since.. they bled out from the higher rogue's bleeds

[spice surge]

Not partciularly good

It sims pretty much the same as belf

or any other +1% stat race

[dawn heath]

thinking about using some target last target tech on rogue

keybind that somewhere

[cerulean maple]

ohhh thank you, this sounds super useufl

[dawn heath]

i amn fucking handicapped with my mouse

if its a big pull

and i swap off the big mob

like 15+ targets

i wont find my mark targget again

eta gg

[cerulean maple]

i just garr tab garr tab garr tab ... shift tab 3x

it works

[solar orbit]

the above macro helps you avoid having to swap targets

[cerulean maple]

not perfect but whatever

[dawn heath]

the only issue i have with that is like

do you use it on the first rupture?

or the second one

the mouseover

[idle inlet]

Thats the hybrid build the bleed build runs zoldyk which would of gave him execute damage

[cerulean maple]

second i would assume

[dawn heath]

cause presumabley u need to find one without rupture and rupture that one

[static glacier]

ngl

[dawn heath]

and that can be tricky

[solar orbit]

it doesn't matter, if you have no mouseover, its cast on target

[static glacier]

losing sbs is going to feel so shit

[solar orbit]

plater helps

[cerulean maple]

oh yeah that would do it lmao

that + 2 rogue interaction = i have no sd damage

[dawn heath]

i already have a bunch of plater profiel shenanigans

i've marked all mobs in duengons that are prio target with a specific color

[solar orbit]

your plater doesn't show who has dots?

[dawn heath]

ofc it does

buit im saying

[cerulean maple]

visual clarity is not wow's strong suit i fear

[dawn heath]

mouseover the correct mob with stacking nameplates

i have something like this in most packs

blue is for prio target pink casters

red are just regular mobs

[solar orbit]

again, just mouseover the nameplate

[dense talon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn heath]

i need keybind ideas

i have very few left

need to keybind this to somewhat easily acessible

[cunning needle]

ctrl + tab

[solar orbit]

Modifier + tab

[dawn heath]

yeah its not bad

i have my vanish on shift tab

hm

but it kinda makes sense

to have that ther

hmm

am i tripping or is tab always selecting a non ruptured target?

i tried this like 6 times on dummies

i did rupture on main target (applied to 3/5 dummies) it always targeted a non ruptured one it seems if i hit tab

maybe it was just rng

[hardy jolt]

Hello. Does anyone know or have a WA that shows your GCd history similar to this streamer. He said he would give but I must give him a Tier 3 subscripton

[wary prairie]

TrufiGCD I think it’s called

T3 sub lmao details can do something like that too I think

[oak eagle]

yeah thats TrufiGCD, or Details has their own version, Details Streamer Plugin

[timber coyote]

As an Assas rogue... how am i supposed to feel about Tuesday's patch? are we happy, sad or indifferent?

[dawn heath]

neutral

what kind of plater settings are you guys using to make it easier to see if your target has rupture?

[oak eagle]

i just use Whispyrs plater

works pretty well

[dawn heath]

since i already have pre-selected colors for caster mobs and stuff it doesnt really seem practical to change the color

i don't know if u can make any other v isual indicator

[final pendant]

Hello, i'm consdiering rerolling to assa for 11.0.5 but i don't understand the changes, are they a nerf or buff ?

[stray fox]

When’s bliz gonna let you script tab priority logic

That’d be nice

[dawn heath]

true

[fringe oxide]

[errant swallow]

6%ish in ST

[dawn heath]

is it a script or what is causing the nameplate to change? and if so can u send me the script?

[oak eagle]

i have no idea if theres a script for it causing to change the nameplate

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

ehre u can see scripts

it could be weakauras or plater scripts thats the thing

[oak eagle]

not plater scripting

so

[dawn heath]

can you show how it looks on a mob with and withour rupture?

dont wanna import a bunch of stuff that i dont like

i found this screenshot

the red thing there around the plater is that if it has no rupture?

or is that death mark?

[coral ibex]

i believe that is crimson tempest border

[dawn heath]

i like the pandemic bleed thing alot

everything else looks kinda scuffed to me

[coral ibex]

i stole the debuff recolor for the profile i use

[dawn heath]

u mean caustic n stuff?

i already had that

iut doesn seem to recolor rupture

[dawn heath]

might steel the pandemic thing

[coral ibex]

it doesn't do rupture no

[dawn heath]

steal

do i want garrote pandemic on nameplates thouigh

probably not

will just be visual clutter

[sleek dust]

How much haste do yall have? I'm 611 and sitting at 7% and that feels low

[shy pecan]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[shy pecan]

!haste

Anyway, doesn’t matter about what haste amount you have. Can always sim it just in case.

[sleek dust]

Ok cool, just wanted to double check. Thanks.

[dawn heath]

are you guys tracking CT on your nameplates?

[shy pecan]

Only out of laziness to not put it in my blacklist of debuffs

I have it tracked on my WAs so for me, no point in having it on my nameplates

[balmy condor]

the red border is deathmark. I've also removed the caustic/deathstalker debuffs and just handle those with colors

and the colors are a bit difference to better fit with Quazii colors

I track crimson tempest with a thin red border as well

[dawn heath]

the pandemic things were really good i took ur scripts and stole them to my plater profile

its a good idea

but i think the outline made the borders pretty blurry

[balmy condor]

oh weird

[dawn heath]

i don't know im not sold on the CT one but

i should probably take it

cause i forget to press it sometimes

i'm kinda wondering though

if garrote is worth tracking pandemic on

or if its just visual blur

rupture one was really goated

[balmy condor]

yeh I have the gar/rup pandemic mostly for looking when I'm off boss

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

refreshing bleeds in aoe is kinda fucked in m+ cause you'd probably want to track health instead of pandemic

and that's just a mess

so I kinda use it as a quick glance in m+

like if I see a fuck ton of yellow borders and the pack is 40%

Im like oh fuck gotta refresh a couple bleeds

[dawn heath]

yea

then its a good time to refresh

[balmy condor]

but if I see a sea of yellow and the pack is like 7%

[dawn heath]

i find myself in that situation quite often

[balmy condor]

who cares

ya know

[dawn heath]

if its worth to refresh ruptuires or not

[hardy jolt]

anyone know how to hide these bars?

[novel star]

a sea of yellow

[dawn heath]

think ill remove garrote

and just keep the rupture one

[balmy condor]

I think the TLDR for that basically just comes down to like the last 10 seconds of rupture, if you're going to have nothing left at the end of a pack because it lines up that your ruptures fall off beforehand

just rupture

[dawn heath]

also thinking like

do u ever rupture sub 5 cps

just to get energy and agi buffs rolling

[balmy condor]

nah

[loud yew]

Got a question, why Ara-Kara Sacbrood over Dead Spy Glass? Simming they are pretty much the same

[balmy condor]

if you're super in need and absolutely cooked you can rup rup rup off the sbs combo points I guess in a chain pull or something

but you'd just need to refresh the rupture later anyways

so like

kind of a waste idk

I'm sure there's some ethereal situation where it's better but it's insanely niche

[vast loom]

spending 2 gcds on 7cp vs sending 1 gcd for 7cp

[balmy condor]

idk, maybe you like eggs more than glass

[dawn heath]

whats your philosophy when you open on a pack, lets say you dont have deathstalkers mark but the pack is above 6 targets you need to ambush do you just rupture and garrote off of the main target or do u target swap to make sure u don't miss bleeds on 1 target?

[balmy condor]

if they sim the same just do the same

pick one of the two

[dawn heath]

since it does main target + 2 targets

[vast loom]

i think on 6 targets you wanna tab target once

[eager scarab]

ovinax sims the best tho? but its not S tier

[vast loom]

but anything bigger you dont worry about it and just go off main target imo lol

[loud yew]

That answer was way better than I expected!

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

so this exists

but I think in practice you just pick your prio early, ambush and cleave off of it

[marble hemlock]

thats a lot of text. whats the best pet?

[balmy condor]

1 gar or 1 rup won't matter for shit if you're already 20 bleeds out

like you're capped on energy

capped on scent

what's it matter if some shitter mob has 1 garrote or not

[dawn heath]

gotcha

sometimes you kinda have to though

if u have casters that are outside the pack

trickling in

[noble pollen]

Maybe swap for control.

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine

you can ambush that one, finish

[dawn heath]

i've started using target last target now

[balmy condor]

and then move the mark to your actual target when everything is grouped

[dawn heath]

cause i've had difficulty clicking my main target sometimes

finding back to the mark target

[sullen mural]

I have that aswell and mine doesnt recolor spatter so sometimes i lose my target

Its despair

[dawn heath]

sometimes it takes half a gcd

if its like 10 + mobs

[vast loom]

i put that on shift tab feels really nice

[balmy condor]

darkest night in aoe opener is really quick generally

like rup rup ct

boom you have darkest night

and then everything is grouped and you can find your actual target

and crank

[dawn heath]

i've been struggling in m+ on how to use vanish

it feels so situational

sometimes i blow it with my 2minutes

sometimes i use it just if we chain mobs to get the ball rolling

[balmy condor]

it's basically always for bleed spread except on bosses

[dawn heath]

with no cds

[zinc willow]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[marble hemlock]

psure that if you play your overall rotation properly, the dps gain from vanish is pretty negligible

since you should always be at 5 scent anyway

[solar wyvern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

so the vanish doesnt really give you much other than a few empowered garrotes

[dawn heath]

where is the script for the CT? i cant find it in scripting

[marble hemlock]

so it might be best to just hold onto it in case you get a bad chain or need the silence

[balmy condor]

it's part of my recolor mod

[dawn heath]

yeah sometimes i've just vanished to control mobs

[marble hemlock]

you aint gonna lose a key or time a key because of suboptimal or perfect vanish usage. you may lose a key because you ran out of stops

[dawn heath]

so i can't steal it to mine i want to try and play with it abit

[real granite]

about all the tabing and bleeding convo, personally im excited to unbind snd and bind /focus to the key this wednesday

i could bind to any already free key but im lazy to make the muscular memory to it

[dawn heath]

yeah playing keys is rough

i have 3 different kicks

[eager scarab]

scroll up focus scroll down tricks been working well

[real granite]

tsm fucked up all my 3 mouses scroll XD

[balmy condor]

you can, but you might need to rip out all of the other recolors

I can probably add toggle on/off switches to the options

shouldn't be hard

[dawn heath]

Kick Target (but prioritise mouseover if you have one
Focus Kick
Mouse Over Shadowstep + Kick macro in one button

[balmy condor]

but that'll take me a bit

[dawn heath]

ye too lazy for that rn

u guys also using 3 kicks?

i feel like u need atleast 2

i could find use of 4 even

[balmy condor]

I just have kick and focus kick

[dawn heath]

i feel like u need a mouseover kick also

if u havent set a focus pre-emptively

or u need to kick something unexpected

but u dont wanna swap off your main target

[balmy condor]

idk, 99% of times it's just "whispyr kick star"

and I go "aye aye cap"

and then kick star

[dawn heath]

u dont pug keys i guess

[balmy condor]

not over vault

rather kill myself

[marble hemlock]

mouseover kick is a disaster in the making

[dawn heath]

it is

[real granite]

i have a mouseover and a focus, but i cant get myself used to the mouseover one, i feel like plates and bodys z fight a lot

[dawn heath]

1/10 times i brick it

and mouseover tomehting

else

[eager scarab]

isnt there a macro thats kick mouse over if no mouse over kick focus if no focus regular kick

[balmy condor]

pugging like a 12 seems like a recipe for suicidal thoughts

[real granite]

also my plates jiggle a lot, i have to look into it

[dawn heath]

what about pugging 14s

no voice

[marble hemlock]

playing wow already is, jokes on you

[fresh kelp]

I use mouseover > focus > target in one macro and just move my mouse off the pack when needed

probably a bit lazy

[bleak ledge]

[marble hemlock]

idk, kick and focus kick is kinda all you need

worst case you tab kick

[balmy condor]

I didn't know you had access to the internet from a padded room

[marble hemlock]

if you set up the nameplates right, your tab will prio whichever mob is casting anyway

[dawn heath]

how does that even look

[balmy condor]

pysch wards really stepping up their game

[slim pebble]

Oh perfect timing for new whispyr video. I can watch it while I pretend to work tomorrow

[dawn heath]

man we were so close to timing 14 stonevault today

[fresh kelp]

Same as focus then target I imagine

[dawn heath]

in my pug

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor is your new video edge-able?

[fresh kelp]

It’s just (mouseover)(focus)(target) like the normal syntax

[vast loom]

during all of ovinax prog i just tabbed to my worm i maybe missed 1 kick all of prog

[slim pebble]

Everything is if you believe

[balmy condor]

I say um a lot

[vast loom]

and it was cuz i was out of range lol

[balmy condor]

does that do it for you

[dawn heath]

intresting

[marble hemlock]

[dawn heath]

i just use mouseover & Regular kick with a shift modifier for focus

I used chatgpt to cook up a Mouseover shadowstep kick macro

lowkey like it

[balmy condor]

you need ai for that?

[marble hemlock]

wait

[dawn heath]

i mean it is

[marble hemlock]

why the fuck is it 4am all of a sudden

[dawn heath]

let me show u the code

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Kick
/cast [harm,nodead][@targettarget,harm,nodead] Kick
/targetenemy [harm,nodead]
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget

[balmy condor]

sure

[vast loom]

what do you mean its only 9pm

[dawn heath]

since shadowstep relocates you, sometimes you losuse the mouse over for the kick so it kicks nothing

so i had to find an alterantive

which was /targetenemy

[marble hemlock]

i was talking to somebody and it felt like that happened 30min ago

that was 1AM

not its 4AM all of a sudden

[fresh kelp]

Would think it would be easier to just mouseover macro target /cast step and kick then target last target

but if it works it works

[dawn heath]

no

if u have mouseover kick

[marble hemlock]

real question: whats your hotkey for detection

[dawn heath]

you need to adjust your mouse

cause u cant do it one button

u need to press it twice

[marble hemlock]

and with that question i bid you farewell

[dawn heath]

try it yourself

macro is goatead though fr

The thing is the thing you mentioned works most of the time but sometimes the relocation will brick it

so your mouse is no longer on the target

[hollow mantle]

i can use transmitter trinket pre pull?

the buff stays?

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iV8BRDaxq0xMxguz4?invite=cr-MSxQb3IsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

[oak eagle]

So I know you wanna press Tea with Shiv, do we only press it with the final 5 seconds of Shiv? Or do we just send 2 charges of tea?

[floral isle]

is shivz trustworthy?

[floral isle]

yes

[balmy condor]

he's cool yeah

bit stubborn :P but hes a good lad

[onyx scroll]

I mean the real question is "Is Whispyr trustworthy?" right?

[marble hemlock]

definitely not

[onyx scroll]

you never know

[marble hemlock]

now you gotta ask if i am trustworthy

[bronze pike]

well

r u?

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/dTVtHNG.jpeg

[bronze pike]

[marble hemlock]

the rules say i am

but they were posted by a shadow

[balmy condor]

you don't want to double tea in 1 shiv because you'd waste the mastery but it's chill otherwise, whenever you want

[marble hemlock]

so its kind of a paradox

[bronze pike]

but r the shadows trustworthy

idk guys

[marble hemlock]

if they say im trustworthy but they might not be worth trusting

[bronze pike]

that whispyr fellow seems very

sus

[marble hemlock]

whats the truth?

[bronze pike]

[dawn heath]

how do we feel about frost dk gettins about a 10% ST dmg gain?

[balmy condor]

frost dk kinda suck in single target

[dawn heath]

xDD

[marble hemlock]

if you take each of the letters of the word "whispyr" and rearrange them it almost spells duplicitous, so idk if hes trustworthy at all

[bronze pike]

frost dk sucks beans in st dam

who cares about m+ balance honestly

[dawn heath]

they absolutely truck in m+ in single target

[bronze pike]

[dawn heath]

my frost dk friend was already simming 20% more than me in single target

[keen spruce]

[dawn heath]

and he gets another 10%

[bronze pike]

you alos have to play frost

so thats another con

[dawn heath]

like i'm simming 1.08m i think will all buffs

or 1.1

he linked sims of him simming 1.5mil

[balmy condor]

m+ single target

[dawn heath]

patchwerk

in m+ talents

[balmy condor]

big who cares moment

[dawn heath]

with the next weeks changes

[floral isle]

icic, would you say his m+ guide is still relevant ?

[dawn heath]

key players care

he wil be 40% ahead of me on st

[balmy condor]

my m+ boss is 3 min and 15 seconds instead of 3 min and 5 seconds

spooky

[marble hemlock]

yeah well, if you jump off the platform and make him CR during breath, he aint gonna be ahead of you anymore

[bronze pike]

[cunning needle]

yeah dont you know about the bad overlap at 3minutes and 9 seconds?