assassination

[cunning notch]

Anyone in here also plays enhance shaman? I would like to know from someone who has played both, which spec is easier? 😅

[normal mist]

assassination

[cunning notch]

Assa is easier?

[normal mist]

sometimes enhanc feels like outlaw

[bitter horizon]

arcane mage

[subtle tundra]

i was just suggesting since you talked about playing meta

[normal mist]

a lot of BRRR

[heavy canopy]

What tweaks have you made?

[cunning notch]

Yeah outlaw was too much for me tbh

I like dot specs

[lament stump]

1 sec i got u

[cunning notch]

Dotting up and see those Numbers go up

Might go assa then

[lament stump]

idk if he tracks KB on his or not

as long as u can see garrote rupture KB CT i think its good

caustic also i like to see

[plush jewel]

hi all rogues I have a question abouty assa. Do assa build have some kind of haste cap

[quaint knoll]

So, if depths is better for ST and Radiant Power is better for AOE, shouldn't we be running radiant in the raid?

[plush jewel]

i see people use neck or boots with haste

[lament stump]

no

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[heavy canopy]

What about Deathstalker?

[lament stump]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

not a ds enjoyer on assass

sorry

[heavy canopy]

Sure, nw

[iron valve]

if you're talking about whispyr's plater, the nameplate itself is coloured for deathstalker and caustic

[heavy canopy]

Hopefully, my DS target also has CS

[lament stump]

it should

[heavy canopy]

I guess you don’t need to show both, just one of them

[lament stump]

its pretty clean

[heavy canopy]

So turning the plate purple for example when either is applied is enough

Although I’m gonna use some kinda of shining border I think, can’t see the color that well when there’re many enemies

[forest nacelle]

whats the dps difference between FB and DS now after tuesday? just curious.

[peak mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9n_B72r1_A at 10:43 in this video speed has a fan of knives weakaura pop up with a border around it does anyone know the purpose for this weakaura?

[normal mist]

he procced DN

giving him a CtW

[sullen mural]

I mean it wont be better than a myth track dagger but does this work on lethal dose/sudden demise and whatnot? Just wondering

[normal mist]

that dagger has no stats

so idk

Secundary stats*

[sullen mural]

thats not what i was asking

[iron valve]

item procs rarely interact with class mechanics

[sullen mural]

I just wanted to know

[iron valve]

so I doubt it

[sullen mural]

if it works with class mechanics

out of intrest

[normal mist]

yeah trinkets/weapons dont work on our talents

[sullen mural]

Wouldn't be better than myth track anyways but sadge either way

[heavy canopy]

Nature damage from items still works with Caustic Spatter, right?

[normal mist]

i do not think so no

[heavy canopy]

Hmm, bummer

Was looking forward to Queen’s ring to test it out

[normal mist]

nothing in our kit interacts with the queen's ring

[limber lion]

No

[limber lion]

No

[peak mulch]

whats ctw?

[normal mist]

Clear the witness

[slim pebble]

The last time a dagger proc worked with a rogue spec it was broken I miss it

[normal mist]

Felstrike?

[past forum]

Class mechanics interacting with gear effects became too difficult to balance appropriately so they started removing those interactions little by little during DF. The last thing that wasn’t fixed was Aff’s damage amps working on gear damage but I think that is fixed now too

[sullen mural]

Just kinda useless to make a dagger like that then

cant get myth track no stats

like gj whoever put work into those items you did a job for nothing

well ig they just scaled ilvls up

[past forum]

Technically, you can still amplify gear based damage with abilities that increase your crit/vers, but only for effects that can crit/are effected by vers.

[subtle tundra]

yea literally 0 work 🙂

[shy pecan]

Make EoN become baseline on dagger only specs

[sullen mural]

Hey they made some items worse!

Like hand of justice

[subtle tundra]

yea they do that sometimes

so they dont become bis

[zenith tree]

Wait... DN isn't a funny deez nuts joke... my world has just been flipped upside down

[trail locust]

Hey mister negative nancy!!!

[flint marsh]

does any big brain know whats insta killing me in ara kara at the start on the miniboss pulls? it looks like touching a web on the floor is whats doing it but theres nothing in death log

[zenith tree]

melee 1 shot because tank ran away from the mob?

[flint marsh]

nah its literally an insta kill like the death log just says death

no melee no spell no nothing

[slim pebble]

Edge of night worked with Sub

[normal mist]

ooooh

[rotund oak]

sub's so bad aight?

[limber lion]

Deeper Daggers + EoN was pretty busted yeah

Bis weapon even in the next tier

good design

[limber lion]

omG!

[grave nova]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[severe sparrow]

Does mandate in dslice sims assume that you're getting the kill proc thing every time?

I feel like in actual keys i just have to send it whenever cuz if i hyperfocus on a mobs hp bar i end up neglecting my actual rotation to time it, or people are dpsing all thr mobs fast enough that im only getting like 1/4 the value by the time it gets off

(aka skill issue)

[tacit otter]

Is there a problem with raidbots atm? or is it a error on my end only?

[safe barn]

yo @limber lion, if i have the dn buff up, but my bleeds need to be renewed, which one do I prio? the full cp to get deathmark again or uptime on bleeds?

[severe sparrow]

Im p sure ive heard mark before bleeds

[arctic socket]

Deathstalker mark , but if you’re applying bleeds In pandemic you shouldn’t run into that issue

[iron valve]

looks like sim sends mandate on CD as long as you're not in deathmark

[weary oar]

Hey guys, i got a rather basic question about our rotation:
Do you shiv bevor applying king's bane and the other dots or after you have applied it?
I saw some rotations where they kinda swap shiv after kings bane and some where you death mark -> shiv -> tea -> kings bane and then the rest

I don't really need a specific rota more like whats the theory behind it. e.g for feral it's always with snapshotting your buff and bleeds, is it the same for us?

[iron valve]

kingsbane damage ramps up over time, so if you have one charge, you use shiv to cover the end half of kingsbane

if you have two charges, you shiv before and then refresh with the second charge

the only thing that snapshots for rogue (to my knowledge) is improved garrote, everything else is dynamic

[dim yacht]

crimson tempest does aswell if you use on multiple targets

eg, you CT 2 targets, then one dies - the one remaining still has the 20% damage boost on the CT

[mighty urchin]

Ooo that's huge to know

[dim yacht]

its relevant for brood, and quite a few pulls on m+

[lucid rain]

does anyone know why notter's KB weakaura counts down from 5 to 0 after KB's duration expires?

[slate crown]

Because he wanted to have the value persist after kb faded

so you could look at it for 5 seconds after instead of immediately disappearing after the last tick

I believe there's a config setting where you can change that duration

[weary oar]

Thank you a lot!
I forgot that the dmg after the ramp is massive and thats the thing you want to buff. u guys are great

[bleak spoke]

should probably add an execute bar to their plates for it, but it'd be really tiny idk

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/cWVZTJe.jpeg

you think theyll remember this?

and actually put it into the tree?

or is this another "pickpocket crimson vial" moment

[gilded swallow]

I take it the question has been asked a ton of times, but didn't find anything in the pins (maybe I'm blind, forgive)
Do we have any information on the Blackrock loot? OH dagger or trinkets or something that's maybe good?

[tropic cedar]

hey qt

[normal mist]

Anything that is hero track wont be able to compete with myth track gear

[bleak spoke]

[gilded swallow]

Not even a Hero OH dagger?

[normal mist]

doubt

[gilded swallow]

Been some dumb shit in the past where a champ dagger from Doti was bis and so on

[bleak spoke]

[strange python]

whats the name of the window that allows you to reaply a bleed and not lose any value

Cant remember it

[normal mist]

pandemic

[strange python]

thanks ❤️

[tropic cedar]

[late tusk]

Noob question here, but dont we do CT on single target?

Im reading WowHead guide and dont see it

[dire sphinx]

CT?

[late tusk]

Crimsom Tempest

[dire sphinx]

no

[spice surge]

Technically its slightly better to do it while momentum of despair is up and deathmark is coming up

But its like

Its such a small gain with big conditionals

[late tusk]

And another thing is:
7.Cast Shiv before Kingsbane, as well as during Kingsbane when the first Shiv fades

I just have one Shiv

[dire sphinx]

CT doesn't contribute to energy generation

and it's dmg is lower than envenom

[spice surge]

Then you just do shiv at the last 8 seconds

[dire sphinx]

a good rule of thumb for the 2nd shiv, get 2 envenoms off

shiv again

[thorny crown]

Does whysper plater work for other classes 2? Havent found any good plater profiles for my dk alt

[spice surge]

Shiv before kb, and then shiv when kb has 8s left. If only one charge skip the first

[dire sphinx]

LJightweight shiv gives you the 2nd shiv

[spice surge]

No need for counting envenoms

[late tusk]

With M+s build I just got 1 Shiv for Kingsba

[dire sphinx]

Fith row, middle left talent

[late tusk]

I use it when 8s is elft then?

[dire sphinx]

ohhh, yeah with an aoe build you sacrfaice the 2nd shiv

best to use it before kings

Does the raidbot target dummy sim use any consumables?

sim says my dmg should be 745k, but i can't break 720k

[novel star]

this is incorrect, if you have only one shiv you do use it for last 8s of kb

[subtle tundra]

????? 13 siege of boralus

TIMED

[severe sparrow]

Dummy sims be wild

[subtle tundra]

this guy did fucking

tank dps

[arctic socket]

A 13 with a shadow priest?

[subtle tundra]

it was his key idk

[arctic socket]

What type of group comp was that

[novel star]

how much he pay you

[arctic socket]

Fdk n you carrying HARD

[subtle tundra]

fdk?

do you see his dps

[arctic socket]

More then the shadow priest

Was the tank messing up his breath with pulls? Or was he just shit

[subtle tundra]

the tank was the only good player

[dire sphinx]

Doesn't the final dmg of kings build off the initial shiv buff? Not the ending shiv? I guess i'm at a target dummy, i'll test this real quick

[subtle tundra]

me included i guess

[arctic socket]

Healer had to be doing somewhat good being able to heal a 13 siege that place is rough

[novel star]

No

[subtle tundra]

its a shaman

doesnt take much brain

[late tusk]

Which ilvl are poeple asking now for a 9-10? 625?

[arctic socket]

At least the shaman pressed damage buttons

[novel star]

we don’t have snapshots

other than imp garrote

[tawdry hamlet]

How much time and damage should I shoot for on target dummy? I need to get better

[arctic socket]

Sim it

[subtle tundra]

3 billion

and if your gear is bad

2 billion

and if your gear is good

2.4 billion

[worldly sail]

[novel star]

might be cooking

but yeah jusy sim target dummy

for 5 minutes or whatever

and then fight a real dummy for the same amount of time

[bleak spoke]

[waxen oyster]

ngl

i feel perma dead

with pres evokers

[iron valve]

brother's out here grinding target dummy experience points

[novel star]

simming dummy and comparing yrself against it

is like

insanely useful

wat

goated practice motivator

[worldly sail]

it's useful as long as the dummies in game work as intended

[subtle tundra]

whats even more insanely useful is recording yourself and watching the clip and analyzing it

[dire sphinx]

Well shit oliii, i think i just found one of my major bottle necks in dps. Thank you.

[marble hemlock]

its not useful in that case either

[bleak spoke]

this is fdk propaganda, the meaty part of breath is like 15 seconds long

[novel star]

i mean ye but do both

[subtle tundra]

i dont do either

[novel star]

u don’t need to

[arctic socket]

idk how fdk works and i never will, dk players smell funny

[bleak spoke]

basically you either get a pog breath or an unpog breath and it's dependent on whether you get a reaper's mark reset

[marble hemlock]

its like trying to play golf with a tennis racket and a pineapple as a ball and saying "well if it was a cucumber instead it'd be useful"

[bleak spoke]

and get extra schwing schwings

[pastel onyx]

[novel star]

but a noob learning gets hella value from dummy fighting

[worldly sail]

[bleak spoke]

if you don't get extra schwing schwings you do less dmg

you could never get a single proc in a 13 siege and do better than 1.4

[novel star]

[arctic socket]

damn my realm is stacked today

[bleak spoke]

that is unbelievable

[subtle tundra]

wait a fucking turt?

[novel star]

i have no idea what this means

[storm stone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[arctic socket]

turt?

[subtle tundra]

turt

[arctic socket]

tf is that

[slate crown]

🐢

[subtle tundra]

like my pfp

check it

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[worldly sail]

it means you are hitting the dummies as a frost mage instead suddenly

[slate crown]

turtle varas

[dire sphinx]

Yep, i just added 80% dmg to my kings by swapping the front loaded shiv to the bakcloaded shiv

[arctic socket]

i got my turtle last night for 120k

lmao

and it';s back here again today

[novel star]

nice

gaming

single shiv gaming

[waxen oyster]

i dont think thats the og raptor

[dire sphinx]

so ty for that tip

[arctic socket]

i believe it is

[waxen oyster]

i got my turtle for free in legion prepatch

in garrison fishing

[novel star]

Holy fuck he’s so chill

what a guy

[lucid rain]

live

[bleak spoke]

did you log this btw

[lucid rain]

reaction

[bleak spoke]

i'm kinda interested

[waxen oyster]

you could just fish them out of the fishing garrison

[novel star]

key logs

[bleak spoke]

i've started logging my keys now

[arctic socket]

the new raptor is called armored razzashi raptor

this one is swift which is the OG

[novel star]

[bleak spoke]

it's nice to look at like precise fights

and see what i could have done better

[arctic socket]

So the gold i have is gonna swiftly go

[subtle tundra]

i dont log

[waxen oyster]

fair

[subtle tundra]

occupies space on my ssd

[spice spire]

Key logs are fine

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

LOLE

[royal lantern]

based

[gleaming bough]

What settings yall using for simc? 5t 5min or dung slice?

[spice spire]

Making my ass look at ur entire key

Is tilting

[novel star]

dslice

[waxen oyster]

i feel people only blow big bucks

on the tiger

[arctic socket]

tiger is cool

but raptor is also cool

[bleak spoke]

i don't think it's very useful to look at most pulls

[spice spire]

Call me big bucks

[arctic socket]

i need like a "flex" mount

[spice spire]

It’s not

[spice surge]

Depends on whether you want for raid or dungeon typically

[spice spire]

Unless there’s omega glaring issues

[royal lantern]

there is none

[spice spire]

Like

[arctic socket]

the CE mounts / heavenly just aint doing it for me no more

[spice spire]

Not using dsm

[spice spire]

Or not applying Ct early etc

[arctic socket]

Look at my boy tho

[spice spire]

Behavior stuff is easy

Intricacies are uh

Piss off

[royal lantern]

mf sitting on 2004 textures

[spice spire]

Tell her bud

[novel star]

but casualaddict did ct late into cds in siege !

or whatever

[bleak spoke]

well yeah i don't expect other ppl to dive them, just for me

[novel star]

someone said that shit yesterday

[arctic socket]

old n good

[novel star]

or the day before

idk

but

[spice spire]

That’s what they say about me

[royal lantern]

well ofc, competitiveaddict would not do that

[novel star]

you’re just old

[arctic socket]

currently bid on him is only 170k

[novel star]

haven’t seen proof of good

[arctic socket]

NO SHOT it goes for that low

[spice spire]

I’m going to eat ur ass rawdog bud

[novel star]

[coral ibex]

promise?

[spice spire]

Yes

[warm lantern]

when i vanish to apply improved garrote, i still vanish -ambush right? as in i have 3 sec after vanish to garrote?

[spice spire]

Contextual

Only reason you ambush

Is to apply dsm

[warm lantern]

as in singletarget opener

[novel star]

yea what he said

[bleak spoke]

why we shootin at casual like he musclebrah or something

[novel star]

ambush is not a good button

[spice spire]

If you want to change targets or don’t have dn then no

No

[novel star]

you don’t actually want to press ambush

[spice spire]

You do not then

[spice spire]

I’d never shoot my
Goat like that

[warm lantern]

rly? thats cringe

[novel star]

even when thinking about blindside, the ambush there is only good because it’s free

you get less cp and less poisons

etc

[novel star]

yep

[bleak spoke]

the goat

[spice spire]

Ambush exists as a free spell or dsm setter that’s it

[novel star]

exclusively used to fix deathstalker

[spice spire]

Also casual legitimately nice lad I’d never take shots at him

[novel star]

think of blindside not as “wow i got a non stealth ambush, nice” and instead as “wow i got free combo points”

[subtle tundra]

only 1 13 left... shitvault

[spice spire]

You got this king

15s when

[subtle tundra]

when i get to play with a team

so probably not soon

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

i still confuse me that he goe so hype over 40k, when 40k during that time was really bad

[spice spire]

He was simply built diff bud

You wouldn’t understand

[subtle tundra]

that ct was late

af

[bleak spoke]

i mean i still remember it, he put rupture and vendetta on a target without an empowered garrote on it

it was crazy behavior

[royal lantern]

and the exsang->fok->re-apply rupture play

[spice spire]

You wouldn’t understand!! He was a pioneer!

Overwriting Exsang is gains

[royal lantern]

skilling exsang for sim dps

and then overwrite it, so i dont have to play it

[bleak spoke]

https://www.twitch.tv/seliathan/clip/MoistCuteLionRuleFive meanwhile @marble hemlock

[spice spire]

Peak seli

[proven jasper]

That fucking dungeon man

[spice spire]

[proven jasper]

Great times

[marble hemlock]

ah ye

the good ol days

[royal lantern]

ye thats why seli is great tbh

like

most would just die

[spice spire]

Did you time the key seli

[royal lantern]

and seli just goes "nah, can salvage something here i gues"

[marble hemlock]

idk

its a tol dagor

so probably

[novel star]

when underrot coming back

[royal lantern]

shut it

[novel star]

peak dungeon

[proven jasper]

Please never

[royal lantern]

can we like, stop bringing back dungeons

[proven jasper]

No

[royal lantern]

[novel star]

undergoat

[proven jasper]

Well ill accept theater of pain

[royal lantern]

dungeon rotation was 1 of the worst things they did

[proven jasper]

Theater of goats

[bleak spoke]

https://www.twitch.tv/seliathan/clip/GentleGoldenKimchiDancingBaby funnily enough i have the answer to that, in another clip

[novel star]

this is so delusional imo

but to each their own i guess

[royal lantern]

ofc, its from me

[marble hemlock]

man those were the days, when i played without a health bar

[novel star]

2 years of same 8 dungeons perma

seasonal affixes add enough gameplay variety

surely

[proven jasper]

Surely

[bleak spoke]

and spend time between keys arguin about ttk

[marble hemlock]

not even close tbh

[alpine valve]

is there literally any reason to track or care about slice and dice starting tuesday?

[marble hemlock]

no

also hi

[royal lantern]

we had that

and tbh, it was better imo cus atleast the dungeons where fixed halfway trought the expansion, and not this endless circle of "well, 3 are giga fucked and will stay that way for months, and then get replace with 3 new giga fucked dungeons"

[bleak spoke]

https://www.twitch.tv/seliathan/clip/SourStylishHamsterStinkyCheese wait the clips i took of your old streams are actually INCREDIBLE @marble hemlock HOLY FUCK LMFOA

[kindred hinge]

M+ season since DF is so much better, spreading native dj through the first year to keep Xpack identity alive and preventing lassitude over the same kkey over and over and over

[spice spire]

Counterpoint tol dagor

[royal lantern]

counterpoint grim batol

[kindred hinge]

Counterpoint Sanguine depth

[royal lantern]

Counterpoint Siege of Boralus

and mate

[kindred hinge]

Boralus and Griim batol are fun though ?

[royal lantern]

sanguine depths will come back

100%

[bleak spoke]

siege of boralus is fun is a CRAZY take

[subtle tundra]

i like it

is ez

[royal lantern]

cus "fan favorite dungeons" for blizz apperantly means dungeons that nobody played

[bleak spoke]

a key being relatively easy on the timer does not make it a good key

[novel star]

i know we had that im just saying i hated it lol

[spice spire]

Bro I love getting the circle on the last boss and just immediately taking 60% of my health on the first tick

[novel star]

also wat are you talking about?

[spice spire]

Siege is so fun

[kindred hinge]

Like, Boralus is litterally execution, you do your job you time, no funny bullshit everything can be desync Boss mecanics are fun too

[bleak spoke]

that's not in the top 100 worst things about siege

okay maybe top 100

[tired gull]

remove bananas please

[bleak spoke]

maybe top 50 even

[novel star]

they made like 5 different major mechanics changes + visual clarity changes to gb

mostly final boss

so

it’s not like they’re just not changing dungeons

wat game r u playing cus its not the same one as i

[bleak spoke]

i think grim batol is actually the key i like the most out of this set

in terms of mechanical design

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m a gb fan

[bleak spoke]

tuning is a bit high

[spice spire]

I suck but I’m a fan

[kindred hinge]

And GB outside of the first week tuning is actually a fun demanding key. Better have that that SBG in DF S1, or Mist for 3 seasons in SL

[spice spire]

Oddly I historically liked NW

[novel star]

gb at first was sussy a bit but i like it now with the changes

[spice spire]

But hate it this rotation

[bleak spoke]

i hate gimmick dungeons

i hated tol dagor i hated nw etc etc

and i invented some of the gimmicks!

[kindred hinge]

Tol Dagor main issue was the camera work, rest was meh but camera was awfull

[pseudo cosmos]

i hate grim batol and only tolerate it for this dumb ass trinket

[spice spire]

Tol dagor main issue was the walls weren’t walls and would pull 600 things

[bleak spoke]

i think the main issue with tol dagor is that you do 64% of the count with cannons

[royal lantern]

american walls

[spice spire]

Real

[royal lantern]

could punch trought them

[bleak spoke]

also the floors weren't floors

[kindred hinge]

Can still do that in Araka today though, pulling the whole corridor both side before second boss if your DK frost wyrm at the right angle

[bleak spoke]

tfw you're trying to rop sanguine off jes howlis and you pull korgus and despawn both of them after your healer gets killed for healing threat through the ceiling

absolutely shambles

[tropic tundra]

most of the indoor dungeons are burning trash

fix the fucking camera

[kindred hinge]

TOS was fun out of pride affix and was indoor

[bleak spoke]

waycrest was fine, other than when ghuunies would run through the doors and infest stuff on the other side

but i blame ghuunies (and boomies) more than the dungeon

[tropic tundra]

waycrest is one of the worst thing ever happened in m+

[kindred hinge]

Ghuun + worms is trigger warning

[pseudo cosmos]

i can still hear the witches cackle

[tropic tundra]

did you already forget about sanguine bs

[bleak spoke]

i have like a really like, skewed view on how good waycrest was i think because that was the most fun key to practice on tourney realm

like if you were doin waycrest for the day

[tropic tundra]

and routes being changed in a way nobody knows

[bleak spoke]

it was like just 100x more fun than practicing any other key

for some reason

[tropic tundra]

idk i only like ataldazar from bfa

[pseudo cosmos]

ew

[kindred hinge]

I mean the pool was not that fun in BfA not much competition

At least from a pug perspective (non tourney)

[bleak spoke]

my favorite was shrine of the storm but i understand this is a far minority opinion

[tropic tundra]

yeah

opinion is an opinion anyways, i got my own weird takes

[bleak spoke]

i don't know if i've met anyone who's agreed with me on shrine

[kindred hinge]

Boralus was my favourite at the time, with the Underside. Shrine and Sephralis were definitely lower end

[pseudo cosmos]

liked maw of souls for abit

[bleak spoke]

temple was awful

[kindred hinge]

Kings rest most hated

[bleak spoke]

i think king's rest was incredibly hard but incredibly fair

[tropic tundra]

the electric orbs killed at least a thousand boomers

[bleak spoke]

except for the totems

the totems were poorly designed

on the third boss

[tropic tundra]

the golden snake was too strong

[kindred hinge]

Not gonna lie, Ii enjoyer much more DF and TWW dj than BFA and half of SL

[bleak spoke]

i don't think i've seen a healer run out of mana in the way they did on spit gold ever since

[tropic tundra]

yeah it was stupid

[bleak spoke]

maybe sometimes on de other side?

on hakkar?

but usually you got sacked out cuz someone did something dumb with the blood and the adds and such

[leaden cypress]

while playing CT build on myth ovinax, would you go imporved poisons or improved garrote?

[bleak spoke]

and not because you legitimately failed the healing check

[warm vortex]

Debating weather or not to bid everything on MQM

for dkp

because ik two people have max dkp and will bid on the ring
butMQM is juicy

[bleak spoke]

oh i guess ruby life pools early on

[regal delta]

anyone has the links to weakauras?

[bleak spoke]

on the second boss

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bleak spoke]

your healer legitimately dried out

[tropic tundra]

idk i wouldn't pay a lot for hc mandate now

[royal lantern]

i wouldnt pay regardless

lmao

[warm vortex]

Oh did they nerf it or smth

[tropic tundra]

[warm vortex]

right now i got resonating crystal and the grim trink

[tropic tundra]

nah its not like irreplacable

[bleak spoke]

i think that's the best combo

[tropic tundra]

yeah

[kindred hinge]

Hated Hakkar design in S1, was like Stichflesh pre nerf nowadays. Eithher you first try with pride or key is bricked

[bleak spoke]

for most people

[warm vortex]

Ah ok

[kindred hinge]

Even for non pusher

[warm vortex]

MqM just looks fun

[bleak spoke]

and then when we figured out that you could pop the shield on the first global

by sitting on evis during the cast

that just made it fucking stupid

[tropic tundra]

at least DoS is really cool

[kindred hinge]

A fail bricking key I have no issue ewith it for the top players, but people that could not time their weekly or low key without pride was stupid

[bleak spoke]

i think DoS would have been great if not for the walking

that's why when there was that seasonal that made you run about as fast as we dragonfly now

that version of the dungeon was gas gas gas

like the little cryptid sepulchre affix that you killed and it gave you ms and shroud

[kindred hinge]

They need to bring back seasonal affix that changed meaningfully the key from one season to another not as fun without them

[bleak spoke]

i didn't play prideful season and i'm glad i didn't

i think seasonals are so hit/miss but i rather they have themyeah

i mean we have a seasonal now

[tropic tundra]

it was really good without accidents

[kindred hinge]

t's kinda seasonal but not really meaningful

[bleak spoke]

but at the same time i'm really really glad it's not active 12+

like

[kindred hinge]

And in 12+ it is really anticlimatic

[bleak spoke]

i swear to anyone an 11 mists is harder than a 12

by alot

1000%

[tropic tundra]

yeah they really released 'dont play at this fucking level'

[kindred hinge]

For me was SV, Took so many try to time the 11. The 12 just went right in because there was not the affix you had to burst

[bleak spoke]

i feel like most of the time in stonevault the xalatath thing actually helps

well, not the cc one

the cc one can kick rocks

[kindred hinge]

The 15 sec per death is annoying, because a lot of people give up after a full wype when we have the dps to ignore that ... it is frustrating

[bleak spoke]

people were already so bad at judging whether a key was timeable

now they're even worse i imagine in pugs

[kindred hinge]

I timed a NW 12 with no poison on first pull, 8 death accross the team and a soft reset and we still had like 1 min ahead. I had legit 10 keys beffore where people gave up after 3 death -_-

[candid bolt]

Guys how important it’s to re-stealth after each pull in m+? Or is it fine just to chain pull without stealth in mind?

[tropic tundra]

wipe penalty is ok, one guy dying 8 times in a row leading to a crash isn't

[leaden cypress]

while playing CT build on myth ovinax, would you go imporved poisons or improved garrote?

[warm vortex]

But yea so
is mqm not worth it anymore? If so what would be a better thing, cause i already got GB trink and crystal. Ik i can sim

[bleak spoke]

not too important for damage, kind of important to make the pulls go smoothly is how i see it

[kindred hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[bleak spoke]

if you picked any single talent point from literally anyone in any key you played, it's probably less powerful than iron wire

[candid bolt]

Ty !

[kindred hinge]

Still you have to yell at your tank if the pull is a tricky pack with a lot of casters and they don't let you resteath

The utility of ironwire is too much to not abuse it

[bleak spoke]

it's extra annoying cuz it's like two parts

like 1, the mobs aren't literally everywhere for no reason

2, let me help you live

holy shit

etc

[kindred hinge]

Most non rogue only know abou t the silence part they don't know about the damage reduction :/

[bleak spoke]

i think the DR might be stronger

like 15% reduction applied from debuff is a pretty exotic wall

[candid bolt]

Idk the whole argument my friend chain pulls as tank druid and im telling him it feels bad not to restealth after each pack either he pulls big or wait a second or two

[kindred hinge]

Average Pug experience, I put my garrot out then the whole pack is hard cc.. and I am like ffs there is no cast they have DR just wait a second or 3 ...

[kindred hinge]

Dps wise your key is better to chain (jusrt not for you but the group overall) and not restealh, utility wise it is the opposite so it depends on the pull /route /comp etc

[frail flare]

Any recommendations for a weakaura package for M+ that tells me if I'm being targeted with stuff or if I have any nasty debuffs? Stuff I can Cloak or Vanish. Dont really need anything else tracked.

[bleak spoke]

generally with res i'm not too demanding, i usually tell whoever's tanking for me at the moment like either you don't chain pull, or you pull with mobs still actually alive like don't be a pussy and chain pull for "time" with a mob straggling at 1% hp

that's literally the worst possible scenario

[vernal snow]

I mean it's not too bad dmg wise to start with stealth every pull but on higher keys spreading garrote in big pulls and immediately silence everything is pretty huge imo

[bleak spoke]

the real dps value is like having mobs grouped together so everyone's cleave hits

[oak nacelle]

why am i not getting beewax

did they nerf?

[daring hamlet]

yeah this plays a water droplet sound whenever your targeted https://wago.io/TsFNFG1H7

[royal lantern]

i cant use r3 weapon oils anymore

it puts me at 35% crit

[spice spire]

Damn

[bleak spoke]

imagine not using hissing runes

[spice spire]

Imagine not using kissing runes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-kitten-cat-cute-cat-gif-7309452916863172056

[bleak spoke]

we don't need runes as an excuse to kiss stop being a coward

@tropic cedar

[grim jay]

drop a crit gem?

[novel star]

holy based df rune user

-3k dps +600gold

live broke stay rich

[royal lantern]

race change

[kindred hinge]

Runes ? What rune, I don't see no rune around here

[toxic estuary]

apologies for the ping, is 5 just the right amount of ruptures? or if the pack is big enough do you try n get 10 for max value on scent? or does it kinda depend bc you’re also not sending globals into caustic?

[novel star]

wha

scent max is 5

[toxic estuary]

oh isn’t it 2% per up to 20?

[novel star]

no

[dawn heath]

dawnbreaker is so amazing

[toxic estuary]

guess wowhead is wrong, my fault I thought it was 2% up to 20%

[novel star]

it’s 4% per

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iV0G0L8Qu0mrjpoIZ?invite=cr-MSxHNzgsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

did i really stand in this wave

[grim jay]

based

new mechagnome was born

[novel star]

internet moment prolly

if you were closer i would say the telegraph lies (because it does)

but it doesn’t lie that much

[dawn heath]

u know

warrior and shaman also got hit

u can see them beeing stunned

but for some reason they took no damage

[novel star]

[worldly sail]

rashanan least scuffed boss fight

[novel star]

ok idk then

game sucks maybe

[worldly sail]

good one is when you cloak with wave

the visual disappears but it doesn't instantly trigger

or when DK pre ams's the webs on 2nd phase, it will be invisible and just drop on the group

favorite fight fr fr

[novel star]

ams also hides the dark orb visuals

on bridge miniboss and spider boss

dk terrorist dungeon

[hallow pelican]

did the Aefnar Edit get updated yesterday? its not working for me anymore

[warm vortex]

Would dead eye be a good thing to pear with skyardins for st if queens is not as good now

[novel star]

all the passive trinkets are fine

[errant mauve]

wtb spymasters for melee

[novel star]

well like all the recommended ones

but

are they nerfikg mandate or wat

[hexed frost]

13M

Sins stay winning

[ebon geyser]

Does anyone have a plater that shows Deathstalker's Mark on the target ? different color or something

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

whispyr and cevs are both good i think

i can only rly speak for whispyrs cause it’s what i use but it does exactly wat u are asking for

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hallow pelican]

how the fuck are you getting 13m envenoms

[novel star]

Gaming

[warm vortex]

People were just saying they were bad

looked at top assa logs for queen for an example
and yea he was running the spying glass

[novel star]

idk why anyone would ever say mandate is bad

that trinket is insane

[ebon geyser]

yah i cant play with any of these , i want to play with my plater , just add the script for Deathstalker's Mark

[warm vortex]

Yea
Cause i remember saying like
idk if i would bid a lot on mqm or ring dkp wise
gotta keep in mind that the ring is 100% out of my range though

2 people who havent spent any dkp hwant it

[coral ibex]

so take the plater mod from one of the profiles and import it into yours

[novel star]

dkp in 2024

holy i just got jumpscared

[novel star]

you can yoink the mod out of it

don’t have to use the whole thing

[ebon geyser]

but none of those as a color change for Deathstalker's Mark

[novel star]

yes they do

[coral ibex]

that is literally what it does

[agile wedge]

Can somebody maybe share only that part?

[coral ibex]

import the profile yourself

[agile wedge]

I am interested too

[warm vortex]

Kek

[coral ibex]

export the mod

[novel star]

whispyrs profile has no dsm icon just the colour

[warm vortex]

but yea i might bid a lot on mqm

[coral ibex]

import into your profile

[warm vortex]

seems like its goated for st

[novel star]

Cannot fucking believe your guild genuinely uses dkp

that shit is ancient technology man

[coral ibex]

might as well do sr/hr

[novel star]

i would run 5km away and insta block if i was applying for a guild and the recruiter mentioned dkp

[coral ibex]

full meritocracy gearing is best, if you are shit you get no loot

[novel star]

best is just to be normal and do droptimizer

but yea

that + little bit of real loot counciling so lazy players don’t yoink everything

[coral ibex]

droptimizer assumes people can play to a similar level as their sim

[novel star]

not really how that works

[warm vortex]

Tbh

i do like using it

[coral ibex]

much better to give upgrades to players who will actually get use out of it

[warm vortex]

Better than just going for rolls :P

[kindred hinge]

Question for the people that have done GB 12, is the timer that short ? Can't reach past the second boss atm with tanks stressing and doing some ill advised pull with pugs coordination. If timer is really taht tight ok can understand but is it?

[coral ibex]

gb generally isn't a tight timer but haven't done a 12 so maybe the jump is really big

[balmy prism]

first rash mythic kill, I really need to farm some gear lol

[burnt dome]

Question regarding Deathstalker Hybrid AOE - do I refresh CT on <6 sec as well or do I let it fall of before reapplying

[hallow pelican]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drowsy geyser]

So i see alot of ppl using skardyn grace, and sacbrood and i have Contract and Transmitter, should i use skardyn and sacbrood? My trinkets sims better so im kinda confused on what to choose

[coral ibex]

you should follow your sim

as that is likely what others are doing too

[drowsy geyser]

When i look on warcraft logs there is alot of ppl 70% for example on hero ansurek using skardyn

[coral ibex]

sacbrood, contract, and anub crystal all sim pretty similar for me with anub crystal like 0.3% ahead

[coral ibex]

m+ trinkets are easier to farm than raid trinkets

[drowsy geyser]

+1, i keep forgeting i got kinda lucky

[quiet oar]

I mean Skardyns

ist jsut easier to use

than Transmitter

[coral ibex]

that too

[warm vortex]

Ok spyglass sims higher on st and aoe than crystal prolly going for that next

I think so at least

[gaunt vigil]

Sanguine blades vs vicious venoms.

How big of a dps loss is it to use VV instead if you dont like the pooling playstyle?

[novel star]

it’s not a loss

well next reset it will be a loss to play either one but idk by how much

right now tho they are legit tied

[gaunt vigil]

Ah cool, perfect answer!

What happens next reset?!?

[pure moth]

Read pin

[solar orbit]

Bruh I think my max so far is 4m

What the fuck

Isn't assa pooling regardless of VV?

At least on ST

[hexed frost]

Not if you're deathstalker

I think

[hallow pelican]

u

[hexed frost]

I play sanguine with deathstalker so always to stay below sanguine limit

[solar orbit]

I thought pooling was not pressing generators to avoid depleting energy

[pure moth]

Otherway around. You want to build and wait on finisher. So pooling for envenom you would wait till envenom is below 1 sec left

[royal lantern]

?

you press generators

and wait with spenders

why would you not generate first

[novel star]

[drowsy geyser]

so just wait until envenom is on his last ticks then do it again?

[royal lantern]

~1 sec ye

[solar orbit]

As in, I already have 5+ cp

[drowsy geyser]

every time? or is there like scenario when no

[solar orbit]

But I'm low on energy

[pure moth]

Outside of cds

[solar orbit]

So I don't use more energy

[pure moth]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[sudden bane]

Do yall use 90 gilded on upgrading your crafted bracer/belt before upgrading hero pieces to 626?

[solar orbit]

Isn't what I said the correct play?

[normal mist]

You start pooling with combo points and wait for energy for finishers

[solar orbit]

Generate 5+ cp, don't press more generators and wait until envenom is 1sec to press envenom

Yeah

[grand hound]

Depends on what you have to upgrade. Have to sim it

[solar orbit]

Basically, there's a point in time where you're only autoing

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[solar orbit]

Or at least that's what I've been doing

[pure moth]

That just wasn't what you originally said which is why we corrected it.

[sudden bane]

Yeah but i how do i sim a 90 crest gilded upgrade comparison?

[grand hound]

By adding the item at the appropriate ilvl

[urban iron]

any tip on when to open cds on ovinax mythic?

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raven sonnet]

hahah what ur kingsbane can get parried??

[hallow pelican]

yep. fune isnt it

*fun

[raven sonnet]

xdddd

rly fun

[coral ibex]

many i got used to having like 8% speed on my gear 2 weeks ago and now ive upgraded all those slots and i have 0 speed

feels like im walking in sludge all the time

[warm vortex]

Just realised that it was not on use

and on equip

shadow binding knife huge

[pure moth]

Looking at lorggs..it shows people using cds on pull. Nothing special

[warm vortex]

So yea, guess im doing delves now

[novel star]

I was just slamming cds on pull because lust and then holding for egg breaks after

don’t have kill so many others would have better input than me on what’s actually optimal

but that’s what i did and i think what i’ll continue to do next week

[sly blade]

I don't understand, when I sim 1 target, I have roughly the same dps in-game as in the sim, but the sim has 2 times less mutilate than I have and I don't even see how it's possible

Any ideas?

[novel star]

lust not pi lmao oops

[vestal coyote]

Haven't been watching too much regarding the changes coming in patch but with twist the knife change will sin value haste any more than current in ST or will there already be enough energy to maintain envenom uptime? Assume with the overlap there is more value than before on energy/combo point income

[normal mist]

we value Ilvl

stats are whatever

[vestal coyote]

Might be that your in game dps meter is tracking mut mainhand and offhand seperately and sim is showing them combine or could be a testing duration thing but would imagine it is a dps meter tracking difference

[warm vortex]

Shadow dagger simming as the 2nd higehst trinket for me feels nuts

on both aoe and st

[coral ibex]

its a good trinket

[warm vortex]

Guess i gotta go do delves

Are delves still annoying to play as rogue solo or nah

[sly blade]

Oh it makes sense! Since it's roughly nearly the same amount times 2
Thank you!

[coral ibex]

delves are easy as rogue

you can stealth past optional mobs

[warm vortex]

Ah fair

and just use cds on eletes?

[coral ibex]

yea

whats your ilvl?

if its anything above 610 you will dance all over a tier 8 delve

[dawn heath]

holy shit xd

me seeing a link

thinking ok i'm fine

no need to press anything

this thing here

ouch

on +14

i legit turned off brain when i saw i stood in link didnt feint the hit

it oneshot me in the link

[warm vortex]

626

i wasnt farming the tink cause for some reason i thought it was on use

fml

[coral ibex]

you will literally waltz through a tier 8 delve

they're like world mobs

[warm vortex]

Yea

havent done one in a while

fairs

i guess ill do it after raid

[novel star]

+5dkp for farming delves like a good little gamer

[warm vortex]

Im still shocked it sims higher than mad queen
like yes its good but higer than mad queen?
i guess when you get like

high mythic trinks it isnt as good

[coral ibex]

yea it will lose to the ilvl check for sure

[warm vortex]

Fiars

so if i get like idk

mythic spyglass or crystal or sac it's prolly worse? Unless its that stronmk

How my vault looks atm

gonna try and fill the bottom ones too then

[lapis lantern]

do you use marks on aoe?

[coral ibex]

yes

[lapis lantern]

i mean multitlate

cunsomption

[tropic cedar]

[coral ibex]

i dont understand what you're saying

[lapis lantern]

do i use enhanced multilate in a aoe situation on my focus target?

sorry for my bad english

is it worth

[rotund oak]

enhanced mutilate?

there is no such thing

[novel star]

flensing knives or vicious venoms i guess

[rotund oak]

do u mean vicious venoms?

[novel star]

but the answer is no

in aoe you press fan of knives

and mutilate is only used for caustic spatter uptime

[lapis lantern]

the mark consumption enchances the next multilate

[rotund oak]

yes u consume darkest night on aoe

[lapis lantern]

but do i press multilate in aoe

if its buffed

[rotund oak]

yes u press mutilate once to apply spatter

if that drops u reapply

[upper spear]

when people play double vanish, what do they usually drop?

(i know its a no no but im curious)

[solid ivy]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

no

you do not

press mutilate

in aoe

for any reason ever other than caustic spatter

[lapis lantern]

ty

[novel star]

any passive thing that makes mutilate better would be used when you press it for spatter anyway

so nah

[upper spear]

you can press mutilate to hit with mutilate

the more you know

[rotund oak]

in aoe we press mut to just apply spatter

nothing else

we fok as a builder

[marble hemlock]

does sudden demise work in delves still?

[upper spear]

i dont see why it wouldnt

[marble hemlock]

got someone commenting on my guide that it doesnt, but im curious if thats actually the case

cuz last i did a delve it still worked

like 3 weeks ago or so

[upper spear]

sounds like hoopla to me

but i guess go test it

do a lvl 1 delve and DM + opener a small mob

see if demise procs

[marble hemlock]

thatd mean i have to log into the game

[upper spear]

yes, very unfortunate

[bronze pike]

christmas time?

[raven merlin]

do we have to do anything if i play Ovi'nax' trinket or can we irgnore it? read like this is shitty, sims like it is biggy

[runic hinge]

Yes I did 5 delves yesterday and it worked

[marble hemlock]

cheers

[worldly sail]

i think at minimum you want 20/10 stacks when using cooldowns (and freeze it)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hmUrnP6xH8XV8gfuHHKgBf

i did this sim earlier to see what happens if you hold certain stacks over the whole fight

[charred helm]

so... how much mastery is too much mastery?

[mortal badger]

only bot knows

[safe barn]

What are we crafting after wrist? Belt?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[tropic hull]

is subterfuge increase duration of "master assasin"?
Can't test, coz I'm considering return to wow

[violet jackal]

I have crafted dagger, wrist, ring, chest so far belt next for me unless vault or loot council blesses me

[charred helm]

yeah... i need to learn how to sim, thanks (i dont play with this gear i just did it for the screenshot)

[slate crown]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[slate crown]

[drowsy geyser]

Guys, im little bit lost, i need help with my embelisment crafts, i have Wrists and Waist crafted to 619, but i would like to upgrade it... alot of people are crafting weapons since i have raid weapons 619 and 616. Should i get crests for embelisment craft to craft a 636 weapon?

[earnest timber]

Probably

[drowsy geyser]

since it will be higher ILVL it should be in a main hand, right?

[sullen mural]

weapon craft kinda goated since with recrafting 1 time you can save 75 crests when you get myth track dagger

[earnest timber]

Yes

[jaunty kayak]

why do some rogues push tend to use mastery flask instead of chaos flask? isnt chaos better for potion?

[main solar]

Do we know how Supercharger works with Darkest Night? Like can you send a finisher at 5+ CP and it'll trigger, or do we have to do it at max (7) and it'll just hit like a 9?

[warm vortex]

...

[sullen mural]

133 wipes is crazy

[warm vortex]

:(

[versed dust]

wait when do we use thistle tea? Do we open with it before everything to get the mastery buff?

[main solar]

Just during shiv for energy

Can send on the first shiv just to have a charge on CD

[versed dust]

also, came back after a long while, does Deathmark give energy regen now or is it just an impression

[main solar]

You have double bleeds up, so more energy regen

[true rapids]

how can I sim myself as dractyhr curious on the loss going from dwarf?

[tropic cedar]

it doesn't directly, but it doubles your bleeds so

indirectly it does yes

[versed dust]

see this is something that I never understood, where is it written in game that your bleeds buff your energy regen

[main solar]

Venomous Wounds

[versed dust]

oooh there it is, I couldn't find it with this new talent setup I'm sorry

I last played in legion

[main solar]

"You regain 8 Energy each time your Garrote or Rupture deal Bleed damage to a poisoned target.". Deathmark duplicates both Garrote and Rupture. Hence double the energy return

[ember wharf]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[brave comet]

is teh tank supposed to stand in the vents teh whole time like this in stonevault at the second boss?

[thorn thorn]

They are supposed to go to the vent that isnt spewing flames and covered with a bunch of shit

[brave comet]

so the vents shouldnt be doing this much damage?

[ruby birch]

You don’t stand in the fire vents

You stand on the one that’s just smoke

[waxen thunder]

Standing jn vents for 221 mil is insane

[pseudo cosmos]

stand in fire dps higher

clearly

[brave comet]

2200 io tank btw

[pseudo cosmos]

omega dented

[thorn thorn]

No, the vents do unavoidable damage when activating, but standing on the ones actively spewing flames is just not the way to do it

Omega cooked tank

[pseudo cosmos]

i need to make a tank is it really that hard to get hit in the face?

[thorn thorn]

What level was this?

[brave comet]

7

[pseudo cosmos]

[thorn thorn]

[clear oar]

does feint stack with evasion magical defence?

[coral ibex]

yes

[pseudo cosmos]

aswell as avoidance

[alpine compass]

Is "Twist the knife" in 11.0.5 gonna be goated?

[royal lantern]

i really dont know what you actually asking there

[hearty reef]

with the sauce

[alpine compass]

I'm having a hard time knowing what the overlapping effect means, sounds like it might be good.

[royal lantern]

you do more dmg

thats it

no gameplay changes

just passive more dmg

[blazing plaza]

hey anyone can help me with some wa profiling shit? because i have some fps problems during raids

[undone eagle]

Guys if not shoulder tier set mythic gear chosen , our BiS shoulders is via crafting ?

if i wanna aim for crit mastery

[royal lantern]

why do you wanna "aim" for crit mastery

[undone eagle]

if i lack it

[royal lantern]

then you sim

with the pieces you have avaible

[undone eagle]

hm is there a way to sim everything at once for all shoulder drops? or do i have to manually sim each one

from the raid & dungs?

[royal lantern]

mate

thats not how wow loot works

lol

you drop something, if it has higher ilvl you use it

if its 2 pieces of equal ilvl, you sim it

[undone eagle]

its only shuolders in my case

okay then

[jagged yarrow]

wish I could even find a group or individual to play and level up with

swear every guild I've ever joined is full of know it all clowns that gotta run way ahead of you and just rub it in you're face. this world became a sad place even online

shiiiii even worse online

[late tusk]

Hey, related with enchants on daggers, it have to be the same in both

or one and oen for ms?

[deft vault]

are boes warbound?

[drowsy hatch]

no, only warbound items are warbound. Boes can be sold / traded freely

[late tusk]

I mean, its one Radiant and one deps or its both radiant

[pseudo cosmos]

kills boss no one logs it

[slate crown]

!guide No requirements. You can do 2 of the same or one of each. Sim can tell you which to take. Guide has recommendations

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[deft vault]

can confirm they are warbound just did it

[rugged nexus]

Guys I have a question
On AOE
These dots
Should I hit 1 target to get to other mobs ?

[pseudo pelican]

hey guys, we just started princess prog and i'm torn between cloaking the charges or the intermission not getting the orbs feel more useful but at the same time i feel i need it on intermission

which one would you recommend?

[drowsy hatch]

If you mean you can trade them between characters then yeah, warbound is more restrictive than boe though

[deft vault]

nah i meant move them from zuljin to illidan to sell for more gold

[warm vortex]

I still feel like im getting torn apart in delves

Like a ton of damage

also we got curve so im hapyp

[rugged nexus]

Hey 👋

Anyone here ? xf

[jaunty kayak]

if there are 4-5 mobs you can just garr/rup off of the same target and it will apply to other mobs .. otherwise maybe better through mouseover macro through other mobs which dont have the bleed

[bitter bolt]

hey guys, just dopped sikran's trinket and wondering is is even playable? on bloodmallet its 3rd for 5 targets but i didnt seen any rogue with it

[balmy condor]

!carnage