assassination

[balmy condor]

when it can only proc 1.5 times in a minute

[winged quail]

Literally autoattacking with poisons is enough to proc it

[balmy condor]

yes

like 30x over

no slice and dice, single poison, auto attacks

would be enough to max out the proc multiple times over

[oak eagle]

we dont apply SnD anymore right?

i can take that button off my bars

once tuesday hits?

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak eagle]

W

love that change

[limber lion]

No ER, no SnD, no tea (unless you want to)

button bloat gonezo

[late meadow]

I perfectly got it, thanks bros
learnt a lot just by asking

[oak eagle]

that change is big in keys imo

[unborn wharf]

is using CT on the NW necromancers pure stat pad or can i cope that its precious funnel

[oak eagle]

because im not wasting 7 points on SnD when full crit on my FoK

[oak eagle]

well, it does more damage the more targets it hits

so its funnel

but also pad at the same time

but mainly funnel

[unborn wharf]

up bigly

[runic hinge]

Just link singular focus and call it funnel

[unborn wharf]

the greatest heist

[vale shore]

do we try to max out the crit on our diamond gem with one of every color across our sockets?

[last oasis]

would we take master assassin come reset due to high "stealth" uptime?

[prime hull]

It already sims better for me.

[slim pebble]

VV is dead Tuesday, right?

[prime hull]

Talents seem really close I did a combo sim and there were like 20 builds all same DPS.

[slim pebble]

Yeah dude. Genuinely can play whatever you want this tier and do dam

[vale shore]

oh, according to sims I just do the diamond and load up on deadly onyx

[runic hinge]

Yeah using different gem colors isn’t that much dps if even a gain

[vale shore]

damn, I thought that was a pretty cool mechanic

turns out, they all fit in the square hole

https://tenor.com/view/qa-developer-software-development-test-gif-27432169

[hazy pumice]

why is the bis ring seal instead of roving

[runic hinge]

If it was like 1% crit damage it would be worth it but .15% means with 4 gems it’s .6% more crit damage lol

[distant hinge]

crap i feel dumb now lol

well maybe if you get sockets on everything its worth it lol

[runic hinge]

Well you don’t wanna use Stam gems and there’s only so many colors

[distant hinge]

cant you get like 8+?

ohhh duh

[vale shore]

I just put all the gem sockets in with the Magnificent settings, so 6 gems

[runic hinge]

Its colors not total gems

[distant hinge]

ya thjoguht it meant types ya

ther are like 3 types of ruby but ...

i blame Jewelcrafters for the propaganda lol

i drank the koolaid

[tall atlas]

what do we do against knife throw on the second boss in CoT

[cobalt sphinx]

You could link or stack for a dispel or cloak, some classes i believe can remove slows..?

I think it’s kinda healable

The big dogs say to use elusiveness

Unless you’re talking about the physical one, that’s a healer issue

[solar orbit]

What is CoT?

[coral ibex]

city of threads

[slim pebble]

The worst dungeon of the xpac

[heady ridge]

you mean necrotic wake

[slim pebble]

I love necrotic wake

[solar orbit]

You mean Tirna?

[slim pebble]

The second boss in cot makes me want to drink nails

[thorn thorn]

City of Threads just sucks in general

[bitter horizon]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bitter horizon]

which weakaura u guys prefer?

[raw plover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[onyx rock]

The ones i made myself

[slim pebble]

Whispyr aefnar edit

[ionic warren]

hello eveyone, is there a haste cap that i should be aware of when playing assass?

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rocky sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

no.

[spare cradle]

I'm currently reading through the assassination wowhead rotation guide. There's a couple of places where it says maintain garrote but I'm not sure how to interpret that in aoe situations. If I'm maintaining 5 ruptures for Scent of Blood and assuming that's enough bleeds for energy, do I maintain garrote on my current target for Lethal Dose, do I not need garrote at all, or should I be spreading garrotes around on cd?

[limber lion]

You're exactly on the right track.

You want to maintain Garrote on your main target and that's about it.

[spare cradle]

Glad to hear I don't have to spread them around. I find target switching tricky.

[limber lion]

You obviously spread Garrotes normally in the beginning with IC + Improved Garrote

But after they drop, you just let Ruptures do the energy generation

With the current iteration, you can just full slam one target with everything (IC + Spatter) and be chilling

[spare cradle]

Awesome thank you for answering my question.

[shy creek]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bitter lichen]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

Np

[thorn thorn]

Spread Ruptures after the ones from IC expires too I assume?

[limber lion]

Yes, you continue to spread Ruptures after the opener

You do not have to let them expire to reapply them as they don't gain anything from stealth, unlike Garrote from Improved Garrote

You can start to reapply pretty early on.

[onyx rock]

Tbf packs are dead before you would need to reapply ruptures in keys up to +10

[thorn thorn]

Ya I have noticed that

[wild hound]

And then no one interrupts that one caster mob so you shadowstep kick it, and now your prio target is lost forever 😦

[thorn thorn]

I was just making sure spreading them after doing the opener for scent + energy was correct play

[onyx rock]

Make a Filter for plater or elvui Nameplates so your prio target with deathmark is highlighted so you dont "lose" it

[wild hound]

Yeah I've got that, just memeing ❤️

[onyx rock]

Kk

[wild hound]

But thank you kindly!

Question tho, do you guys have something like that even without deathmark? I've got the spatter + Mark nameplate colour, but honestly it's rarely enough in a sea of nameplates during a big pull.

[onyx rock]

With elvui Nameplates you can filter everything (no clue about plater). I set mine up with a different color nameplates for mobs that can cast and mobs that cant. So i know wich ones i can just ignore

[coral ibex]

i'd recommend getting a plater profile that differentiates prio targets, casters, etc in m+ packs and then adding whispyr's debuff recolor mod

[onyx rock]

Also playing without floating dmg numbers helps alot. Stuff is just way more visable

[coral ibex]

the ui package i use has a plater profile that's set up like this

nah just get an addon that can adjust the scale

[onyx rock]

Or this yeah. Preference

[burnt juniper]

quick question, is it alright to not refresh garrote in aoe with an unempowered one

unless you need more prio damage

[daring hamlet]

i just realized i dont actually know for sure wehther this is the case (ive just kinda been playing aoe like it is true) but the garrotes that spread from the target you garrote out of stealth with IC... are the additional garrotes improved or just the one you initially apply to your target

[sour oasis]

Guys why cristal is ahead of ara kara trinket in mm+

Like i see with Casual and some other top players ?

[daring hamlet]

crystal does more dmg for me

[sour oasis]

the proc ?

[daring hamlet]

nah just the trinket overall does more dmg in keys than ara kara

so i run it

[balmy condor]

the ones you spread are also empowered

[sour oasis]

how can u calculate this ?

[daring hamlet]

sim

[sour oasis]

because i see my uptime is 37%

[daring hamlet]

you could also run the other one

[strange python]

Will indescriminate carnage prefer targets that dont have bleeds on them?

or is it just closest target

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[barren epoch]

do you guys have any recommendations for macros/wa/addons for setting focus easily?

[coral ibex]

bind set focus to a key in your options?

[hallow pelican]

ugh why cant ppl read markers on broodtwister ...

[sour oasis]

i realise someting

in mm+ we dont play with the same flask as raid

i am so cringe

[coral ibex]

?

pretty sure its alchemical chaos everywhere?

[sour oasis]

i watch video

of casual and speed

they didnt play with it

[balmy condor]

what are they playing

[sour oasis]

mastery

on boralus

[balmy condor]

[sour oasis]

both

[coral ibex]

maybe it sims better for their gear

idk

[balmy condor]

that's my assumption

I was expecting like "they're playing vers flask"

and then like yeah they're coping for vers damage reduction (doesn't do shit)

and then we all move on

mastery is strange though

[sour oasis]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

I assume just sims

[sour oasis]

i have an idea

bloodmallet say is better over 3 targets crit or mastery flask

with deathstalker like we didn't need crit

like other specs

is better mastery

[balmy condor]

what

you realize bloodmallet is simming deathstalker right

[sour oasis]

xD

that's the joke

how can i sims the phials ?

[balmy condor]

#tc-research has a pin

also bloodmallet doesn't have aoe profiles

so I wouldn't really be looking at that

[sour oasis]

thanks my maaaaan

ok i stop so

[spice sentinel]

we swapping to MA when 11.0.5 drops? assuming for raid we stick with Tea/new echoing/strategem and then in m+ its flavor between new echoing and subt?

[trim escarp]

do people rock different talents for the different mythics? if so at what level is that necessary

[balmy condor]

ma in raids probably, subterfuge is still dead

[balmy condor]

no

hybrid all the way atm

[sour oasis]

no change with the 11.0.5 for our playstyle no ?

[spice sentinel]

rest in piss sub

[balmy condor]

not really no

[sour oasis]

the 12 sec of subt is not worse ?

[balmy condor]

subterfuge is just as bad as it is now

[spice sentinel]

why wouldnt it be?

[balmy condor]

and he's gone

[runic hinge]

Damn

[spice sentinel]

and i look like a moron now

[runic hinge]

Man asked a question and deleted it so fast

[spice sentinel]

asked question first, read faq second

[simple violet]

Realized it was literally answered for me

[hollow talon]

is this jawn any good

[hallow pelican]

yes. very.

[hollow talon]

bet ty

[main blaze]

You playin in the dark over there?

[hollow talon]

i have inky dark pot on my monitor

[main blaze]

Got sunglasses for your monitor

[sour oasis]

The mastery get by a flask or a trinket can get a penalty of stat value ?

if u are over the limit ?

or the addon true value tell me something wrong ?

[raw plover]

Are the anniversary changes even a dps gain ???

[stable cove]

in aoe do you generally put up ct b4 kingsbane window or after

[heavy mountain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

Depends. Do you have a prio target that has far more hp than the rest of the pack? That needs to die or is it just pure aoe then you should send ct before kb

You know the packs in grim batol is a good example before last boss with a bunch of irrelevant smallies using ct there is actually pointless you rather have them alive for energy refund Agi gain and fok envenom spam since the bottleneck is when the big mob dies not the small

Same in the packs in necrotic wake before third boss with the 2-3 small mobs and a big one killing those smallies quicker is actually detrimental for your timer

Its very rare that peoples even think like this in anything under like a 14 Key anyway but ye

[modest tree]

Could someone give me a hand with understanding this?

I can't test as I'm on holiday but does it essentially animacharge a random combo point

[drowsy hatch]

It's going to be changed in a few days, but it animacharges either the 4th point or 3/4/5 if you take the talent

[modest tree]

So you could get lucky if it animacharged one

[modest tree]

Ahhhh got ya, thank you

So when AOEing, if fan of knives gives you 4+ there's no need to do it again?

(3/4/5+)

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah if you end on one of the animacharges you can just send a finisher and it will use that animacharge and count the finisher as using 7 points

[modest tree]

Because I feel like I'm wasting DPS getting 7 combo points for envenom

[modest tree]

Oh wowee

That's really vital info hahaha

Thank you

[slate crown]

Don't get used to it

[drowsy hatch]

Unfortunately it will be gone in 3 days

[slate crown]

It gets revamped on Tuesday

In fact

Don't use it

you'll only be sad that it's gone

[modest tree]

Give it some hammering on Monday then. Do we know what it's gonna be changed to?

Oh

😦

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah we do, it's in the anniversary notes

[slate crown]

Or, you'll hate using it and be glad it's gone

[bleak spoke]

I'm gonna miss it

[slate crown]

I'll be sad

[bleak spoke]

[modest tree]

AAAAA NO NEED TO PRESS SLICE AND DICE

thank goodness

[slate crown]

Indeed

[modest tree]

Or thistle tea by the looks of it

That's nice

[neon thunder]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder bone]

what budget food are yall using?

[novel star]

Nah it still gives mastery so well still use it

but no snd and er are okay ig

[novel star]

beledars bounty

[weary spear]

hey we running sanguine blades in raid now? see all top rogue parses on sikran running it

[sullen mural]

THere's different builds just sim whats better for you

[languid ferry]

does mastery gain more value over crit in AOE?

[sullen mural]

they are all really close to eachother

[errant mauve]

What would make my death mark and kingsblood do significantly less dmg than someone else of same ilvl? Like my death mark in details on court fight said it did 4mil total and my kingsbane 35 mil and yes I had my bleeds up and used shiv

[vast loom]

why have we had like 8 questions today asking how ER works?

have i just never seen these questions before?

[split grail]

Checking the notes, is slice and dice full passive now? Cut to Chase doesn't require an existing snd to extend?

[vast loom]

yup

free hotkey

[hallow pelican]

is there a weakaura for Web partners during phase 3 of Court?

[coral ibex]

did you drop envenom during cds, did they cast more envenoms, did they get a trinket proc

[vast loom]

link the log

[errant mauve]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V6YFh3vJBQtn81KH#fight=41&type=damage-done&source=5

Don’t think I dropped any of it but then again there was a moment I got put into a spike cause I’m still a moron

[snow kindle]

i wish crippling had a node or something so we can have it but not turned on.

or just a different non lethal

[cinder bone]

nothing like doing a +8 with 2 2700 chads

mage pulled 6m dps on the first pull in NW

[vital flicker]

So I know that Whispyr says that nothing is really majory changing rotationally but does anyone know if it brings some of the other talents into a place where they are any more competitive (like Master Assassin or Subterfuge)? Or are we just waiting for sims

[wooden lily]

can yoy have too much mastery and crit? (i’m new to wow)

[cinder bone]

sim it, raidbots.com

they're generally our best but its not set in stone

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[runic hinge]

Maybe twist the knife. And maybe MA but subterfuge isn’t great still

I think things will be more concrete in the next few days

[urban anvil]

You guys think without a trace is going to be worth taking in m+ in 11.0.5?

[vital flicker]

Im surprised subterfuge won't be good in M+

Without a trace is still garbage

[runic hinge]

I mean what’s the difference between 6 and 12. If the pack isn’t huge I’m not even sending more than 2 garrotes

[errant mauve]

I’m surprised rogue is still in the game

[cinder bone]

i think the biggest beneficiary of patch is outlaw, sin wont change much

[urban anvil]

Garbage dps but the utility of it could be really good

[cinder bone]

outlaw being able to drop 6s cheap shots into 7s kidney on other mobs in m+ will be insane

[wooden lily]

ty 🙂

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome. You need any more help just ask

[urban anvil]

Some dungs have so many kicks and kicks that = death without it

[vital flicker]

I mean more than the free garrotes/ruptures the master assassin buff would be more relevant than those

[runic hinge]

I mean you can just save vanish. Without a trace doesn’t mean you get a ton more vanishes. Because they don’t cd independently it means you’re only get a few more a key

[runic hinge]

Maybe. I mean MA isn’t super huge. Maybe if it was 100% but like it’ll be 6 seconds anyways so the value of 2 talent points has to be larger than the value of what you’re giving up for those 6 extra seconds

And those 2 talent points can be spent on lethality or new ER o

[cinder bone]

laughs in night elf

built in without a trace

[runic hinge]

Yeah I mean same.

I love doing flips

Meld is very inconsistent tho with all these truesight mobs

[cinder bone]

i was reallllllly tempted to switch dwarf or di this season tho

so many important dispels

and with sham poison totem nerf i could see dwarf being the go to

[runic hinge]

Probably will be

[errant mauve]

A patch mid season changing so much shit makes no sense

[runic hinge]

Remember when they added Aug on a mid season patch

[vital flicker]

I mean you would still get one point of lethality but I feel like the new ER isn't as strong as the old one in some ways ( but I also have no idea that is just feelcrafting)

[cinder bone]

aug is the worst thing they added to this game since DH

[errant mauve]

No I started playing again this xpac lol

[languid ferry]

hard agree

[errant mauve]

Yea Aug is kinda dumb, now Aug wouldn’t be terrible if they added more support specs to classes or something

[cinder bone]

new ER is nerf for the .05% and buff for everoyne else

[errant mauve]

Who’s it a nerf for

[pliant remnant]

Zerocool

[languid ferry]

people that play it perfectly

[pliant remnant]

[errant mauve]

How does one play it perfectly

[wooden lily]

play it like me

[errant mauve]

You er and finish on CP

[runic hinge]

Tbh I think it’s better. Now I can have a 9 combo point finisher

[languid ferry]

Does Haste just diminish in value in M+? top assas on Murlok.io barely run any

[vital flicker]

I mainly use ER to keep rupture, death marks, and envenom up so the ER change makes it harder to keep deathmark up which just doesn't feel good to me

[runic hinge]

Does it make it harder? I mean it’s 4 +2 cp finishers a minute without a mini game and er was 3 every 45 seconds

[vital flicker]

I mean when you have er up you can land on 3,4, or 5 to reapply deathmark with the change you need to be at 5+ to reapply

Im not really talking about how good it is I just liked the feel of the old ER ironically enough

[balmy condor]

it's the same feel though

like just imagine instead of 3/4/5, you have 4/4/4

and it's the same thing

[vital flicker]

It's probably just that I'm not used to it

And change is hard

[balmy condor]

call me change

[pliant remnant]

[hardy crypt]

ayo

[blazing pumice]

pretty cool that the shadowbinding trinket is better than the other two upgraded

[vital flicker]

Im just excited for Whispyr to decend from the mountain with how to play my class written on the stone tablets

[hardy crypt]

is the 11.0.5 patch coming next reset? or do we have to wait more

[balmy condor]

bro I'm stuck on the mountain manually chiseling the tier buffs into a computer

I'm in misery

[balmy condor]

yes, this reset

[vital flicker]

Are we getting another video for these changes?

[hardy crypt]

ooo that's fun

[balmy condor]

blizzard didn't add the tier buffs onto PTR cause they were hotfixed onto live and they didn't copy the data over, so the PTR version I'm simming with is like from september, but with new talents

so now I have to add all the shit back in

but because the tier buffs aren't easy to add back in

I'm forced to sit here and estimate things

[vital flicker]

That's terrible

[balmy condor]

and make it like

[hardy crypt]

F

[balmy condor]

KINDA close

right now I got vicious venoms doing half of what it's doing on live, and I have no fucking clue why

so that's cool

[vagrant brook]

you didn't have SnD and the Envenom buff up before casting the opener Kingsbane (however, it did reach max stacks fairly fast anyways so it was kinda fine but not recommended to do);
your second Kingsbane got fucked;
you didn't have improved garrote for the third Deathmark;

[hardy crypt]

also, will the new subterfuge work with iron wire?

[vital flicker]

How about we all just promise to not use vicious venoms so the sim works

[vital flicker]

Yes

[hardy crypt]

that's crszy

so we can silence trash for like 17 seconds, theoretically, right?

[errant mauve]

Noted thank you

[balmy condor]

this is close enough right

[hardy crypt]

and then vanish and do it for another 17 lmao

it's probably a dps loss but sounds funny at least

[balmy condor]

some of the numbers are sketch

whatever

cba anymore

good enough

kill me

[vast loom]

id say yea

[errant mauve]

How did I fuck the second kingsbane? And am I holding vanish and timing it so it comes up for DMs each time

[balmy condor]

like the numbers are off a little

but if you squint

[vital flicker]

I love playing FI 2VV XTTK XIMPG but what does "ASSASSINATION" stand for

[balmy condor]

it's close enouugh

[balmy condor]

don't make fun of my talent shorthands

[vital flicker]

Oh now I actually understand what it means I was just making a joke

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

agony

it's like reading alien scriptures

[hardy crypt]

lmao

[vagrant brook]

you were probably dodging something and only cast 2 envenoms/didn't melee the boss for poison stacks so your kingsbane only got to 15/50 stacks;
after the vanish in the opener you vanish garrote before DM every time, if talented into improved garrote

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[velvet falcon]

before DM?

[sullen mural]

didnt even know kingsbane can stack that high

[vital flicker]

This is how I imagine wow devs feel when they see things like flensing knives

[vagrant brook]

its 1000% max increased damage and each poison application gives 20%, so 50 stacks 😛

[sullen mural]

You also

used 2nd shiv to buff idk

air

mutilates

you just shived for no reason

[errant mauve]

If I vanish after DM in the opener won’t it be coming up after DM comes back up? So I’m holding DM again for 10ish seconds after opener to have it for every following DM got it

[vital flicker]

Hmm flensing knives not in sim

[balmy condor]

nah

sims don't even think flensing knives is a valid spell

[vital flicker]

It's not

It's a feature

[balmy condor]

like there's no way to even hack it in

[errant mauve]

Yea I’m a smooth brain

[vagrant brook]

exactly

cause DM lasts 16 seconds and garrote 18 seconds, so if you vanish garrote after DM you lose some of the DM duplicated bleeds

[errant mauve]

What’s shivs pandemic window? 2-3 seconds?

[sullen mural]

Or you dont play imp garrote and just never vanish

bigbrain

[vagrant brook]

imp garrote is goated dont @ me

• sanguine blades

[velvet falcon]

2.4s I think

[sullen mural]

@vagrant brook

[balmy condor]

shiv doesn't pandemic

[velvet falcon]

dam

[errant mauve]

Gotcha

[velvet falcon]

that was my new guy freebie

[icy girder]

anyone else feel very squishy in high keys?

[sullen mural]

yes

[errant mauve]

So is the a talent better for dps than imp garrote?

[sullen mural]

welcome to rogue

[vagrant brook]

welcome to rogue

[sullen mural]

pray your healer cares about you

enjoy your stay

[hardy crypt]

at least we have faint

[vital flicker]

Welcome to rogue

[hardy crypt]

yippe

[vagrant brook]

with our dogshit class trees

[tired gull]

welcome to rogue

[icy girder]

i was never this squishy as outlaw

[sullen mural]

no shit

perma cdr

[vital flicker]

Outlaw is tank af

[sullen mural]

makes me more tanky

[icy girder]

must be cuz i stacked vers

[sullen mural]

and that

You have perma feint+ vers stack + actual stamina node you can take

[icy girder]

oh yea i feint n stuff

[vital flicker]

You can stack vers as assassination and you still won't feel as tanky as outlaw

[icy girder]

but man the dot in cot when evasion and cloak is in cd fkn trucks

[sullen mural]

do you play

elusive

[icy girder]

i do

[sullen mural]

Yeah thats all u can do

Just gotta

pray to healer

[icy girder]

haha yea seems about right

[sullen mural]

Dots are your enemy

[hardy crypt]

ironic

[sullen mural]

kinda

[hardy crypt]

isn't it

[vital flicker]

Rogue has always been healer dependant

[vagrant brook]

crimson vial, elusiveness, and pray for the healer

that's all you can do

[sullen mural]

and we all know you wont get healed

cuz everyone thinks rogue are tanky af

[hardy crypt]

man I miss crimson vial that actually healed some hp

[sullen mural]

for w/e reason

[vital flicker]

Rogue self heals are a joke, you can reduce as much damage as you want but you will eventually die to damage if you don't get an external heal

[sullen mural]

Wdym 25% over 4 seconds

thats like

1 deathstrike

maybe

[vagrant brook]

and we still talent into iron stomach

otherwise vial would not be worth pressing

[vital flicker]

But tbf rogue has always been extremely tanky it is just that other classes have caught up

[sullen mural]

Ay lowkey i like that for my health pots tho

[vagrant brook]

its a good talent, the problem is the vial itself

[sullen mural]

My favourite part is

getting into a group for keys

[vital flicker]

Vial shouldn't cost energy or a global

[sullen mural]

and having 500k health less

than everyone else

I love that

[simple violet]

Do we take tea come 11.0.5?

[hardy crypt]

we're one step closer w feint off the gcd

[vagrant brook]

only coffee after 11.0.5

[tired gull]

why wouldn't you take tea?

[vital flicker]

Yes it is basically unchanged

[hardy crypt]

have you considered stand up comedy

[vital flicker]

Feint > Crimson vial by far and now it is even better

[hardy crypt]

yeah having feint off the gcd is gonna feel so good

and no slice n dice hardcasting as well

[sullen mural]

Now make it not cost 25 energy

;3

[vital flicker]

QoL anniversary patch

[tawdry flare]

Going to bind feint to all other defensives 4fun

[hardy crypt]

the oh shit macro

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1117328881041547374/1297066788164472872/image.png?ex=67149314&is=67134194&hm=3e69a4d19dabb6eb248136882bd2bd9d61c96ae2fed942469bc3758021329bcd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=311&height=66

what are we thinking

about our new capstone talent

[sullen mural]

-3% trash

[hardy crypt]

evasion+cloak+feint+crimson vial

[hardy crypt]

yikes

[vital flicker]

I'm thinking without a trace is the new meta

[hardy crypt]

dk looking kinda good rn

ngl

[runic hinge]

I love ap tho

[vital flicker]

-3%=Spec is dead guess im going outlaw

[errant mauve]

Class is dead

Why are they literally beating a dead horse

[vagrant brook]

sin needs this

[vital flicker]

Ret pally looking real good after the death or rogue

[vagrant brook]

[vital flicker]

That's not the icon anymore

[languid ferry]

should be

the new one is 🐶

[vital flicker]

As of next week

I didn't even recognize it when I was on the ptr

[balmy condor]

no no

that's saying

ttk is +3% to arterial precision

one of our capstones

is 3% worse

[hardy crypt]

too late

[balmy condor]

than a middle of the tree tallent

[hardy crypt]

90% of sin population is now gone

[sullen mural]

Yeah i just DE'd my assa gear

gg

[vagrant brook]

delete subtlety and make without a trace reset Kingsbane

[balmy condor]

8% buff is cool though idk

but yeah this will need another video

[vital flicker]

I am excited for the video

[hardy crypt]

woo

[vale lantern]

@balmy condor this feels like a common problem for our tree i.e caustic spatter

[errant mauve]

What’s the best class to reroll

[sullen mural]

whatevers fotm

so enhance ig

[errant mauve]

Lol

[sullen mural]

dk mage

one of those 3

[vital flicker]

Ret pally and enh shaman stocks are going way up

[vagrant brook]

there's probably 1 dev left at blizzard who plays rogue keeping the spec functional

[hardy crypt]

bala will be crazy after those changes

[jade minnow]

Come play ele ez

[vagrant brook]

enhance is probably the most fun i've had doing a rotation

[errant mauve]

Crazy enough I made a shaman and leveled him to 80 first but then guild needed a rogue for raiding so I did that knowing off the rip rogue got the shit end of the stick in hero talents and was already dying

[vagrant brook]

a machine gun of lightning bolts

[vital flicker]

I don't know that anyone at blizzard plays rogue, if they did they would've known that outlaws tier set was terrible and wouldn't have nerfed them after heroic week, and they would've noticed flensing knives

[sullen mural]

or idk

[vagrant brook]

we dont talk about flensing knives

[hardy crypt]

idk I wish they just made nerfed deathstalker to the ground tbh

[sullen mural]

fixed any of the outlaw bugs

that exsist since df

[hardy crypt]

I hate the mark so much on so many bosses

or just reworked it

[vital flicker]

I want to talk about flensing knives, if they get rid of it there won't be this stupid playing unoptimally to do optimal damage situation

[vagrant brook]

what do you mean, of course we need a 7 second cloak

[hardy crypt]

seeing my friends be so excited about their hero talents while the 3rd boss on grim batol just deletes my hero talents if I don't have vanish ready or deliberately stop using finishers to have darkest night up is rough

[thick sail]

What are they doing to Arterial Precision?

[vagrant brook]

yeah it sucks sometimes, you gotta have the timings down to not fuck it up, like in ansurek and silken court

[sullen mural]

nothing they are reworking ttk

[vital flicker]

Sometimes not doing anything is optimal for assassination

[hardy crypt]

yeah but not doing anything because I'm pooling energy feels better than idk

not doing anything cause my hero talents are like this 😭

[vagrant brook]

you have plenty of time on the 3rd boss to hold DN for the dragon, but yeah

cant talk much cause I did a pull on ulgrax mythic where I didn't have mark for 80% of the fight

[coral ibex]

first and third boss in GB literally eat your hero talent entirely when they die

because they do RP and disappear

idk how but even when you have the capstone, when combat drops you lose the capstone

[vital flicker]

First boss of mists

[hardy crypt]

I know I can do that and it's relatively easy to do, it just feels extremely unsatisfying

[balmy condor]

nothing, it's just the weakest link

[vital flicker]

Silken court can eat it too

[hardy crypt]

if only they could just make it "the target dies/becomes friendly"

or idk

goes into roleplay for some reason

[oak eagle]

i mean, its not that bad

[hardy crypt]

it would be so much more satisfying

[oak eagle]

because you can most of the time get a restealth after the boss

just press ambush

[hardy crypt]

you don't get a restealth during the fight

[oak eagle]

oh were talking while in the fight

[vital flicker]

Is arterial precision worse than iron fur envenom?

[vale lantern]

With the patch we changing to much about holding energy to not use the tea or just not paying attention to it to much

[coral ibex]

losing capstone is losing damage

[oak eagle]

i thought we were talking when you get out of it

[coral ibex]

like

[hardy crypt]

and 3rd boss on grim batol, 1st boss on mists and 4th on nw

[coral ibex]

fundamentally it shouldnt happen

its a bug

[hardy crypt]

just straight up don't give you time to get out of the fight

to restealth

ofc you can play around that but it feels weird

[oak eagle]

well third boss grim you should have vanish up

and for mists

[hardy crypt]

yeah ik

[oak eagle]

just apply mark onto Ingra right before tree pahses

and then wake should also have a vanish

[heavy canopy]

First boss on Mists should def give DN when the tree becomes friendly

[hardy crypt]

I know you can play around that

it just feels weird that I have to play contrary to what's optimal

sometimes

to be able to use my hero talents

[vagrant brook]

just give us a button for the mark

and reset it when we vanish

ez fix

[hardy crypt]

yeah

if it applied on garrote as well

[sullen mural]

okay calm down there buddy

[hardy crypt]

like

[sullen mural]

You asking for too much

[hardy crypt]

idk who designed it 😭

[sullen mural]

you want your herotalent to apply on the thing you want to open with?

[vital flicker]

Or if it applied from blindside ambush

[sullen mural]

Calm down

[hardy crypt]

lmao

they should make it so that it applies on idk

[sullen mural]

Thats a mage/warlock thing

[hardy crypt]

poisoned knife

or some shit

[sullen mural]

those classes would instant get that

[hardy crypt]

that would be so funny

[vital flicker]

It applies from feint

That would be funny

[hardy crypt]

applies when you get a melee hit from the mob

and you dodge it with evasion

[vagrant brook]

or better, just buff fatebound to the point where it's close enough to justify switching to to avoid the hassle of handling the mark with deathstalker

[hardy crypt]

yeah

[sullen mural]

In st its relatively close no

[hardy crypt]

I just want to switch to fatebound so bad but

it's such a dps loss for m+

[vital flicker]

I like deathstalker more than fatebound tbh even with all of the issues

[hardy crypt]

st for deathstalker isn't the issue

like, you just turn your brain off

[vagrant brook]

same tbh

[hardy crypt]

and 7 point envenom when you have darkest night up

[vagrant brook]

mutilating at 6cp

[hardy crypt]

yeah it's awful

[sullen mural]

Just hope u land

on charged cp

[hardy crypt]

I sometimes catch myself using garrote at 6cp when I'm at like 15s of garrote left lmao

[sullen mural]

so u never have to mut on 6

cuz that hurts

[hardy crypt]

cause it hurts me physically

to mut on 6

[vital flicker]

With the new ER you won't need to mutilate at 6cp

[hardy crypt]

and it's funny that with all those bugs it's still not the least liked hero talent tree

with coup de grace being coup de grace

I swear to god if mages had those trees blizzard would have already burned to the ground as a company

[vagrant brook]

i kinda like trickster sub tho

besides all the buggy shit

[vital flicker]

I like that Coup de grace was a dps loss and felt bad so the buffed it so it only feels bad

[hardy crypt]

having tricks on 24/7

must feel awesome

[balmy condor]

@vital flicker remember the whole coming down from my mountain with a stone tablet

[vagrant brook]

its annoying cause you keep the tricks icon on your head the whole time lmao

[balmy condor]

it's getting even more biblical

[hardy crypt]

💀💀

[balmy condor]

I have parted the talent tree

[vital flicker]

[balmy condor]

like the red sea

[hardy crypt]

master assassin jumpscare AAAA

you gotta cw that dude

[vital flicker]

That's crazy internal bleeding always felt like a participation trophy

[icy mantle]

hey, with att the rogue win buff or nerf?

[sullen mural]

what

[vagrant brook]

buff and nerf

[hardy crypt]

lmao

[vagrant brook]

both

so the same

[balmy condor]

probably a buff tbh

but this is cooked

get me out of the kitchen

[sullen mural]

no

stay in the kitchen

[vagrant brook]

actually hold on whispyr might cook a 5% hidden buff

[vital flicker]

We need you in the kitchen this isnt cooked enough

[thorn crater]

hey as long as we dont have to run the double vanish monstrosity

[sullen mural]

feint off gcd

[thorn crater]

anything else is fine

[sullen mural]

is a buff in my eyes

[hardy crypt]

new build incoming

[vagrant brook]

make MA snapshot bleeds

holy

[icy mantle]

buff ? whi?

why*

[hardy crypt]

oh wait it doesn't anymore??

[vagrant brook]

did it ever

[fickle lotus]

no only sdance damage app would snapshot bleeds

[hardy crypt]

ah

I'm tripping, nvm

[icy mantle]

assasin
Will it be strong or weak??

[sullen mural]

yes

[vagrant brook]

wound poison meta when

[fickle lotus]

assa will be a secret third thing

[south lava]

when is 11.0.5 coming

this tuesday?

[hardy crypt]

yup

[sullen mural]

should

[hardy crypt]

i miss the bleed builds

[balmy condor]

low effort shitpost

[vagrant brook]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[sullen mural]

this looks so cursed

[whole stratus]

if i can get double myth track daggers, is it then worth it to drop crafted dagger and instead craft 2x dawnthread pieces for example, and in that way gain a bit of ilvl? or is that a bad idea because the weapon embellishments are so strong that everforged stabber is basically bis no matter what?

[balmy condor]

raid bis is embellished dagger

double myth track is not an upgrade

if it were an upgrade, we wouldn't embellish the dagger in the first place

[hardy crypt]

how about m+?

[icy mantle]

11.02 ASSASIN META OR OUTLAW?

[sullen mural]

arent we on .02 rn

[balmy condor]

yeah

[hardy crypt]

asking the important questions

[balmy condor]

assa meta in 11.0.2

go crazy bro

W question

[fickle lotus]

bro is about to have a coniption

[balmy condor]

m+ it's whatever

they're both okay-ish

depends on the key and your dawn uptime kinda

[thorn crater]

people are running blessed and dawnthread

on ultra high keys

[balmy condor]

tf is blessed

[sullen mural]

tf is blessed

ay thats my line

[thorn crater]

iron grip

[balmy condor]

tf is iron grip

[thorn crater]

isnt it called blessed iron girp?

what is it called

lool

[sullen mural]

idk

you are the one

that said they use it

shouldnt you know

[hardy crypt]

death grip

trust

[vagrant brook]

blessed weapon grip

[balmy condor]

iron grip the poe keystone that causes strength bonuses to apply to projectiles?

[vagrant brook]

gives secondary stats

[sullen mural]

yOO

Whispyr a poe enjoyer?

goat

[thorn crater]

the leatherworking one

[balmy condor]

this?

[thorn crater]

yes

[balmy condor]

dawg I'm gonna be so fr

[sullen mural]

That sounds kinda ass

[balmy condor]

I ain't ever seen that shit in my life

[icy girder]

frost dk uses that

[sullen mural]

Isnt it

idk

ba

bad*

[balmy condor]

all embellishments are bad

I'm sure it's fine

[hardy crypt]

I love secondary stats

they're my favorite thing

[thorn crater]

guess people are just copying the casual addict dude

cause ive seen like 10-12 runnin around with that

[balmy condor]

like how bad could it be compared to all the super poggers best in slot amazing 0.9% dps embellishments

[thorn crater]

well i simmed myself for DS its like a 7-8k buff

to run that over ascendance

not much i know

[balmy condor]

sure

yolo

[thorn crater]

kind of trash for raid though

[balmy condor]

0.95% embellishment instead of a 0.9% embellishment

going crazy

[sullen mural]

Bro

that sounds

absolute

ass

[thorn crater]

i dno how it is on rogue it proccs quite often on VDH

[balmy condor]

it's 1 proc per minute

[earnest remnant]

should have a gravestone at the bottom with 2x vanish

[vagrant brook]

7k out of 2M dps

[hardy crypt]

"call upon the power of the blessed weapon grip" sounds incredibly goofy

[hardy crypt]

can't be caught using that

[thorn crater]

hey i aint a leaderboard rogue im just mentioning i saw people running it and went around searching

[cerulean walrus]

Blessed weapon grip is what I call my hand

[thorn crater]

wasnt sure if legit or just copy

guess just copy

[balmy condor]

ayo

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[vagrant brook]

sim yo self and then make the judgement
does it justify recrafting this shit

if you think it does then do it champ

[whole stratus]

@balmy condor is there an easy-ish way to add items you dont have in bag/equipped in top gear on raidbots? or smth similar. like simming my char with crafted gear that i haven't actually crafted yet, just to see if its worth?

[sullen mural]

yeah

[balmy condor]

there's a search at the top of top gear

for exactly that

[hardy crypt]

no not even that

you can search for it in top gear

[sullen mural]

damn

[whole stratus]

oh shit i see, lemme play around with that a bit

[sullen mural]

ig i've been doing the disabled way

[hardy crypt]

lmao me too dw

[sullen mural]

i always just scroll past those things to click the gear

[hardy crypt]

its crazy how good top gear is compared to a couple years ago even

[whole stratus]

holy fk thanks, this is exactly what i need

[vital flicker]

Aren't the differences in embellishments so negligible that you can pick whatever you want so you can feel special and it won't really matter?

[sullen mural]

yeah

cuz they suck

[balmy condor]

pretty much

[vagrant brook]

you can also go to your equipped gear or gear in bags and change the embellishment, recraft stats, upgrade ilvl, etc, directly
(in case you didnt know)

[vital flicker]

It's what covenants should've been

[balmy condor]

you either get a super cutting edge meta 0.9% embellishment or any of the 7 other embellishments that are 0.8%

[sullen mural]

But some people wanna play whats best (I'm people) so they ask

[hardy crypt]

i found out that you can turn off the raid buffs after like 4 years of playing this game for the exact same reason

[vital flicker]

Are these rogue changes going to be like embellishments, like you shouldn't pick this talent, but if you do you will only lose .1% dps because the assassination talent tree already feels like that

And it would be cool if it was more of that

[robust axle]

Tea change seems so bad for us

[balmy condor]

atm it's looking a lot more cookie cutter

[vital flicker]

It feels like everyone can run their own gourmet talent build

[tired gull]

tea change is no change (in most scenarios)

[vital flicker]

That's too bad

[fickle lotus]

rogue builds are just vv or no vv

[vagrant brook]

nah you can go imp garrote with or without shrouded suffocation

[fickle lotus]

(vv hater)

[vagrant brook]

with or without sanguine blades

[vital flicker]

There are a lot of odd talents you can pick

[vagrant brook]

with or without imp poison

tiny toxic blade or dashing scoundrel

[sullen mural]

gonna start judging rogues based on their ST setup talent wise

[runic hinge]

is it worth regemming for .3?

oxi would say yes

[sullen mural]

think about that 100 log

[vagrant brook]

depends how poor you are in game

[fickle lotus]

.3 is pretty good for just gemming

[vital flicker]

I want to take dashing scoundrel because I want to be a dashing scoundrel

[sullen mural]

[vagrant brook]

<------ tiny toxic blade gang

[sullen mural]

Im vv gang

[vital flicker]

It's funny because there are a lot of small choices you can make on the assassination tree but then there are a ton of locked talents that you just can't change no matter what

[vagrant brook]

for me depends on fight length
if its a short fight i run imp gar+sb+shrouded
if its longer i just go vv

if there's downtime where i'm not hitting the boss I feel like sanguine blades should be good cause i'm capping energy

[sullen mural]

I just took vv and never change cuz im lazy

[ebon steppe]

Vv is good in ptr sim but the only reason of it is 4pc tier buff didn't apply on ptr, i guess

[balmy condor]

vv is definitely not good in ptr sim

[ebon steppe]

Alright

[icy mantle]

In this update, which spec will be good?

Assassin or outlaw?

[vital flicker]

Enhance

[languid ferry]

I love how sub is getting excluded out of every comparison lmao

is it that bad? XD

[vital flicker]

I think it is hard to see sub being good without shadowdust but it could be

[balmy condor]

also yes the tier changes are not applied on PTR, but that would ironically make vv better not worse lmao

[icy mantle]

Did you test the rogue?

[sullen mural]

THE rogue

[languid ferry]

yea personally I didn't like the spreadsheet gameplay of dust (excluding this tier with that 1 trinket where u blast everything on 1.5min anyways) Hope they can make it competitive without it

[balmy condor]

please don't ping me I'm not answering your question man

[pliant grail]

Hello friends. Dont know how to ask, but is our bleeds poisons dynamic? Then deathmark expires are theyr dmg reduced or staying same ? 🙂

[balmy condor]

deathmark expires and removes the duplicated bleeds

everything is dynamic though

[pliant grail]

thank you 🙂

so if i apply rupture and afterwards apply deathmark rupture ticks higher also correct ?

[vital flicker]

But did you test the rogue

[languid ferry]

is heavy add cleave a valid sim option or should that never be used and just stick to Dung Cleave and Patchwork

[balmy condor]

yes

[languid ferry]

I'm trying to sim my gear for Mythic Ovinax

[balmy condor]

doomed

there is no fight style that even remotely resembles ovi'nax

[languid ferry]

xD

sick

[balmy condor]

legit just take CT and caustic

and sim single target

you're not multidotting on that fight anyway

[languid ferry]

gotcha o7 ty for the advice

[balmy condor]

np

[languid ferry]

just saying, this gearing for fights shit was way easier on outlaw

just press bladeflurry like a chad

and forget about it

[ebon steppe]

Oh...sory man i thought tier change would make vv worse

Does 2pc also increases vv dmg？

[balmy condor]

yes

[ebon steppe]

Cool！

[hardy crypt]

@balmy condor is there a way to temporarily disable your weakauras set? i want to multispec but i'm incapable of playing outlaw without guy's weakauras and i don't really want to uninstall and reinstall your wa each time i switch specs

sorry for the ping but ive been looking for the disable button for like 20mins now

[balmy condor]

just go under load and change it to load only on assa

[vital flicker]

Just only play assassination

[hardy crypt]

i want to go pew pew once in a while tho :((

assa needs a gun

[vital flicker]

We have a knife that we can throw

[hardy crypt]

its still loading when im swapping to outlaw

idk if im dumb or something

oh nvm i was doing it wrong i think?

yeah its good now

thanks

[vital flicker]

Is bubbling wax still a buggy mess?

[balmy condor]

yesn't

it doesn't stack still

and some people can't apply it on high ilvl daggers?

but I haven't seen that in a week

some guy showed up and couldn't do it

[vital flicker]

I guess I'm just going to continue to not use it

[dapper pumice]

im confused about echoing reprimand, if it charges 3 of my combo points, does that mean anytime i spend 3+ combo points that it counts as spending 7? or do i have to fill those 3 anima charged combo points for it to count as 6

*7

[vital flicker]

Whetstones aren't unreasonably expensive

[earnest remnant]

live or ptr?

[dapper pumice]

god damnit theyre changing it? LOL

live first i guess

[earnest remnant]

It will enhance 3 different combo points

2-3-4 iirc

you finish on those

[dapper pumice]

so once i fill 4

it counts as 7?

[earnest remnant]

and it counts as 7

[dapper pumice]

got it

[coral ibex]

bro what youtuber put out a short about echoing reprimand today

[earnest remnant]

and consumes that said combo point

[coral ibex]

why is everyone asking about it

[balmy condor]

it is strange

3 people today

when it's reworked tuesday

[dapper pumice]

so basically when ER is up, i should think about my combo cap wherever the last anima charged combo point is on my bar

[balmy condor]

you need to finish on the blue ones

doesn't matter the order

you can finish on 3 first

or 5

[dapper pumice]

i dont get it LOL

so if 2-3-4 are charged

[balmy condor]

you have blue combo points right

finish on them

[earnest remnant]

looks like that

[balmy condor]

if you land on one of them

you just press finisher

[coral ibex]

its always 3-4-5

[dapper pumice]

oooohhh

i see

as long as its within those 3

[balmy condor]

but it's gone in 4 days

[dapper pumice]

it counts as 7

[earnest remnant]

here i land on the 5th one, so i press finisher and it counts as 7 cp used

[balmy condor]

idk what "within" means

it has to be exactly the blue one

[dapper pumice]

like in that picture

[earnest remnant]

and now its gone

[dapper pumice]

if i finish with either 3 4 or 5 combo points

[earnest remnant]

so only 3-4 are left

[coral ibex]

W atrocityui

[dapper pumice]

they all count as 6 right

*count as 7

[balmy condor]

yes

[dapper pumice]

ok got it

makes sense ty everyone lol

sorry, used to oonga boonga fdk

and now that i understand that

whats happening in ptr lol

[earnest remnant]

its very much fire and forget

[balmy condor]

it's a passive that you don't think about

[earnest remnant]

land on glowy point

press finisher

[dapper pumice]

what if it lands over the glowy one

doesnt work right

[balmy condor]

it just empowers the next finisher you cast

[vital flicker]

On ptr you don't need to land on anything

[earnest remnant]

on live you need to be on the specific combo point that is highlighted

[dapper pumice]

got it

[vital flicker]

You just use Combo points like normal and get a bonus

[dapper pumice]

word

man, this shit hurts my brain lol

my opener on fdk is like 3 macros

rogue got me solving puzzles n shit

[vital flicker]

ER funnily enough imo makes it easier to manage everything in ST

[dapper pumice]

yeah now that i understand it, seems pretty simple

in the blue>hit finisher

now i get why hekili would make me use finishers at less than 5 combo points

ty all, super helpful

[balmy condor]

hekili

oh nonononono

[rugged venture]

oh no

https://tenor.com/view/ohnobaby-whatisyoudoing-gif-8083308

[dapper pumice]

yeah i know loll

now that im actually learning the rotation

i realize how bad it is

[rugged venture]

ur better off not using hekili

analyzing a sim rotation is better than using hekili :/

[dapper pumice]

i usually always just use hekili while i level alts cause nothing livezs long enough in normal dungeons to really practice rotations

[rugged venture]

so ur using the leveling experinece to learn nothing at all

doesnt make much sense

[vital flicker]

Assassination requires that you focus on using Envenom when it is optimal to extend the buff more than just spamming finishers, it also requires you keep rupture and garrote up in ST so it is a lot of resource management (energy and Combo points) it ultimately is a very low apm class

[dapper pumice]

just trying to hit 80 asap lol

[rugged venture]

can u maintain 2 bleeds. Good

[vital flicker]

Except in CDs

[rugged venture]

can u maintain envenom. good

thats sin in a nutshell

[golden ginkgo]

Do you think we take Twist The Knife on reset and take double Vanish / Master Assassin again?

[dapper pumice]

maybe and maybe xD

[vital flicker]

Never take double vanish unless you're zerocool

[golden ginkgo]

Master Assassin being 12 seconds long seems good or am I wrong?

[west crown]

Maintain bleeds in cds

[vital flicker]

It's still good at 6 seconds

[vital flicker]

I meant that you can spam envenom more in cds not that you stop maintaining buffs/bleeds but i can see how I was unclear

[dapper pumice]

yeah, basically i want to use vanish to reapply empowered garrote and refresh tempest & rupture whenever i have 5 combo points and theyre about to run out right

[stiff talon]

Does the spell cast speed slow poison make the last boss of mists blue orb intermission thing come out slower?

[west crown]

Tempest isn’t that important in ST. It’s less than a percent gain. And only vanishing to reapply garrote at the end of deathmark if you run imp garr

[rugged venture]

you refresh them in there pandemic windows

[balmy condor]

okay but you have to take 2 points of nothing in order to get 6 seconds of MA when you could use those 2 points to do literally anything else

[dapper pumice]

yep yep, got a WA to flash when its within 6

[rugged venture]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/pandemic

explanation of pandemic windows

[dapper pumice]

outside of cds, im basically always going to be starved of energy right?

[vital flicker]

I can see it being worth it in M+ or at least not a huge loss for longer silence windows

[golden ginkgo]

Was not sure if we going down Supercharger since to get to the bottem you have 0 point in Lethality. I am doing my best to think and I am bad at it "Cries"

[rugged venture]

not with thistle tea

[west crown]

Garrote is 6, rupture is 8, tempest is 5

[dapper pumice]

dont i use most of my charges during the cd window?

[dapper pumice]

ahhhh okok

[balmy condor]

it's an even bigger loss in m+

[dapper pumice]

ty imma watch this

[balmy condor]

like yeah "but the silences" omegacopium

[vital flicker]

Damn that's tough

[rugged venture]

theres no way ur dumping 3 thsitle teas + full energy bar in ur cd window