assassination

[cunning basin]

What?

[limber lion]

Yes

So what?

[arctic socket]

Blackjack

[limber lion]

You're not engaged with the new pack

You don't have to jump in and start spamming buttons

[grim jay]

When do we get engaged btw?

[limber lion]

You're not in combat with the new pack even if the tank is

[cunning basin]

Tomorrow, get in the car I'm driving you

[quiet oar]

I know what you mean

[cunning basin]

Always gotta hang back a little bit

[quiet oar]

but i meant it as everyone gets enganged

[grim jay]

Doesnt work on every pack tbf

[wise gull]

I think it's when the healer is engaged with the next pack and heals you with you being close enough

[limber lion]

But that's not how packs work

[wise gull]

i think

[quiet oar]

Im sorry i used 1%

[cunning basin]

It works like 99% of the time for me unless a mob casts something on you

[quiet oar]

to overexeggarate

should have used 5%

[wise gull]

there are definitely lots of times the mob dies close enough to the next pack and it pulls me in

[grim jay]

You understand me without words

Its nice

[cunning basin]

:p

Just don't get casted at FOOL!

[arctic socket]

Yall ready for 12 seconds of subterfuge

[cunning basin]

Simply ask politely to not be targeted, blizzard is listening and values your feedback 👍

[cerulean walrus]

12 seconds of subterfuge + double vanish build?

[cunning basin]

Isn't it still gonna be bad tho

[grim jay]

Definitely not

[cerulean walrus]

God I can’t wait to garrote the entire state of Texas

[cunning basin]

Nah that build is based 4sho

[quiet oar]

frfr ong

[arctic socket]

I’m excited for it brother

[cunning basin]

12 sec of Subterfuge hell I might start chain pulling

[dapper pumice]

Is transmitter really that trash

[cunning basin]

I'm garroting the next pack too

[quiet oar]

wdym

[limber lion]

Even then it's completely fine

But yeah

[haughty verge]

main point is 12 secs of MA isnt it?

[cunning basin]

No it's good, it's around same value as skardyn's

[prime hull]

It beats mythic skardyns for me so I think it's really good.

[arctic socket]

No

Iron wire big

[limber lion]

Seems to be a common theme where people think that tank pulling next pack = permanent combat for everyone

[dapper pumice]

Word, it’s just ranked so low on the guide lol

[quiet oar]

I know that its not permanent combat

[oblique flare]

Why is the Flask of alchemical chaos simming higher than the others? (2k above mastery and haste, 4k above crit and vers)

[quiet oar]

that you can finish off alone and get reastealth

[dapper pumice]

And i see everyone on Warcraft logs opt not to use it too

[dark crag]

Dawnbreaker is the best assa dungeon, restealth every pack

[arctic socket]

I’m meaning with the new changes

Not currently

[quiet oar]

i meant more like pack is still behind and others engage with new pack and you cant finish the last pack off alone

[cunning basin]

It can be a pain to play around, skardyn's is similar value with no hoops to jump through, you just press it and it does thing

[slow snow]

Guys I’m new to sin this xpac, do we use a cancel aura for darkest night? I’ve found that if I have darkest night and I ambush from stealth for deathstalkers mark, the stacks don’t get used unless I consume darkest night.

[limber lion]

Yeye I know

[dapper pumice]

I dunno if I can farm GB any more, did 70 runs to get my trinket on my DK lol

[royal lantern]

it gives a good amount of all stats

assa likes all stats

it makes the tempered pot potion give a high amount of all stats

assa likes all stats

[quiet oar]

Thats what i mean with bad chains

[cunning basin]

Definitely do not do that, you want to build to max and consume DN for big envenom damage

[arctic socket]

Why wouldn’t you open with garrote / rupture and then build up to apply it

[limber lion]

Yeah I know, I'm just poking ya a bit

[slow snow]

Cuz sometimes it falls off before I get a chance to max cp envenom then I’m outta luck for deathstalker mark.

[quiet oar]

Cancelaura DN

is

troll

[cunning basin]

And yes the stacks not getting consumed is a bug, the workaround is when you have dn you consume it asap

[wise gull]

My personal favourite is when a tank pulls a pack of 2 for like 6 seconds and then pulls the next pack

like bro just pull them all

[quiet oar]

Tbf

thats due to threat

sometiems its really hard to maintain threat

because most dps

[royal lantern]

^

[quiet oar]

see pull and UNGABUNGA

and tank wants to chain

but loses threat on the way

[wise gull]

yes but then they'll pull a double pack immediately after

[solar wyvern]

Tricks allows me to ungabunga zigzug 1 second faster

[quiet oar]

Depends on your group

[solar wyvern]

Very noice

[cunning basin]

prim wave lightning bolt tempest
Uhm I have aggro 🤓

[quiet oar]

when you have a warrior

you need to press some globals

especially when you are undergeared

[cunning basin]

My favorite is hanging back on my enh shaman so tank can grab aggro for a few secs

[quiet oar]

When you dont have fel dev as DH

[arctic socket]

If I got a fury war in my group I afk adds

[quiet oar]

you need to farm souls for soul bomb

[wise gull]

it was the last one i did and i don't think that was the case

just based on the rest of the dungeon

[cunning basin]

Then I prim wave lightning bolt tempest tempest tempest and die to aggro

[royal lantern]

monk tank: keg throw once and run trought them with crane kick and walks to the next pack

the warrior: CHARGE ODYNS FURY RECKLESSNESS BLADESTORM DEAD wtf tank??

[quiet oar]

I had this with a feral in a cot

in wanted the first 4 casters with the big scarab

jumped to the scarab

feral died

[vagrant maple]

how the fuck did you find a feral in m+

legit seen 0 so far

[royal lantern]

@shrewd night

[arctic socket]

Feral?

[royal lantern]

our dear meownar

will show you

[quiet oar]

[cunning basin]

I make it a habit to wait on my shaman so when I die to aggro 10 secs in from a 40million burst proc chain I can say "hey bro idk I waited 🤷"

[vagrant maple]

not throwing shade, I just have seen 0, only dps druids ive seen were boomies

[shrewd night]

Meow

[cunning basin]

Meow

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-cat-plink-cat-gif-1794292671885121408

[vagrant maple]

you guys seen the new vulpera druid catform?

[quiet oar]

This is fake

[cunning basin]

Holy shit it's a new eeveelution

[quiet oar]

isnt it

[vagrant maple]

it may or may not be a pet from the store

[royal lantern]

akshualy fennec are closer to dogs then cats

🤓

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah but who asked?

[quiet oar]

I did

[cunning basin]

You

[cerulean walrus]

Based

And asked pilled

[quiet oar]

I mean it doesnt surprise me

[cunning basin]

I think maybe the internet is unhealthy for us gang

[quiet oar]

That furryan knows these random facts

[queen galleon]

hello quick question can I buy BoE on a server and send it to my char on another server ?

[cunning basin]

[vital galleon]

What are we thinking for 11.0.5? It's looking good, but will it be good?

[vagrant maple]

using warbank, should be no problem

[cunning basin]

Warbank 👍

[cunning basin]

Ttk making an appearance was not on my bingo card, nor was returning to 56 APM in the first tier

[vital galleon]

Ttk?

[cunning basin]

Twist the knife

[queen galleon]

ty

[queen galleon]

ty

[vital galleon]

Ahhhhh

[cunning basin]

Might be good

[vital galleon]

But are you implying our apm will go down a lot?

[cunning basin]

No, up

[vital galleon]

Ahhh I see

[cunning basin]

By like 10 lmao

[vital galleon]

Ttk isn't bad though, is it

[rotund oak]

damn for a moment i thought i was in the sub channel

[cunning basin]

Nah this the dom channel

[hearty reef]

?

[cunning basin]

Or smth idk I didn't read the book

[tropic tundra]

what book

nvm Id rather not hear the answer

[cunning basin]

[fast mural]

Next week we swap to Drakthyr?

[vital galleon]

[royal lantern]

assa <-------->dom

[fast mural]

Just wondering cause of mastery trait+ free CC+ free movement

[warm vortex]

Where’s the switch channel

[tropic tundra]

don't forget about the mental damage you can apply on your team with naked lizard

[royal lantern]

the mastery is the same as every other "x% more secondary" racial

for most classes probably even worse then the wide spread 1% crit

[cunning basin]

I'm ngl I just let the intrusive thoughts win there my bad

[tropic tundra]

I think lf draenei one is the worst

[fast mural]

Ah i see so not worthy

[rotund oak]

ik u gonna say im but

[tropic tundra]

its a cool looking laser beam

[rotund oak]

dragons are cringe

[tropic tundra]

but 0 damage

[royal lantern]

shut up nerd

[tropic tundra]

dragons arent cringe, dracthyrs are

[rotund oak]

it was me saying raw and unhinged my thoughts about dracthyrs

[cunning basin]

I'm gonna keep playing dwarf till they nerf stone form ._. I don't really know what I'd do without it lmao

[royal lantern]

you play them wrong

you go lf Priest for holy, in a healing intensive moment you suicide into the boss for angle form and do INSANE on death dmg + free healing, and then get a CR

[tropic tundra]

the classic kamikaze priest

[royal lantern]

and about that question

im literally a Scalie

and wont do it

cus no transmog

[tropic tundra]

idk i dont think any melee would like to be dracthyr

[cunning basin]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

smart thing blizzard

[cunning basin]

Tbh dracthyr biggest turn off for me is no tmog

I gotta look good

[spice surge]

Probably gonna need to go gnome soon 💀

[tropic tundra]

truly a biological failure

[cunning basin]

That time already?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-gif-22164443

[tropic tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-18524386

[spice surge]

I dont want to, i like +5k agility during burst

[rotund oak]

normal or mecha?

[spice surge]

But we'll have to see

[spice surge]

Normal

For queen

[subtle kiln]

escape artist

[rotund oak]

why man,am i missing something

[cunning basin]

Escape artist

[rotund oak]

ah ic

[royal lantern]

tmog could make them look so good

but blizzard gonna be stubborn for 4more years lol

[rotund oak]

cool cool

[cunning basin]

Cringers

[quiet oar]

i think gnomes can free them from roots?

[royal lantern]

yes

and the roots are really fucking dangerous on mythic

[quiet oar]

Just use double vanish

[tropic tundra]

me and my druud

[cunning basin]

I would honestly probably play one of them could wear tmog. I really only play the smol elves, zandalari troll, and draenei.... And for right now sigh dwarf

Well I have a few nightborne too, their whole lore shit was pretty cool

[slim pebble]

How many apm are we at now

[cunning basin]

49-51 or smth like that

[royal lantern]

im just annoyed that 1 lf the reasons they said was "clipping!!!!111!!"

jesus christ, this is wow, 99% of headpieces are a clipping nightmare for everything that is not male human lol

[warm vortex]

Guys how do I get better luck with my runs on gb

[warm vortex]

I feel like worse clipping in the game is prolly vulpera right

Cause of the tail, the ears

[royal lantern]

nah, worgen/tauren

[cunning basin]

Bro they still delete your hair when you put a hat on WHO CARES LET ME WEAR PANTS AND SHIRTS

[royal lantern]

tauren more

[arctic socket]

That isn’t a race

[cunning basin]

Fuckin blizz

[royal lantern]

Vulpera are small and stand upright

[arctic socket]

Dumb question, when you glide as dracthyr do you go into dragon form? Or can I perma stay visage

[cunning basin]

I want to play worgen bro they're so cool but my god transmog looks like absolute garbage on them most of the time

[royal lantern]

which prevents most clipping

[cunning basin]

I believe non evokers can perma visage

[royal lantern]

no head piece and no shoulders for most shoulder pieces, the only way to play them

[arctic socket]

Fuck ye

[cunning basin]

Yuuuuuup

But it's like

[warm vortex]

But yea any tips on getting better luck on gb

[cunning basin]

Why would I play a visage evoker

If I want to play the dragon people

[arctic socket]

Because it’s better

[royal lantern]

your mom said that last night aswell

[arctic socket]

Pay people to run with you that already has the trinket to trade

[cunning basin]

Just let me xmog the fkin dragon model

[arctic socket]

The day wow adds a dye system

[cunning basin]

The dracthyr models are genuinely good

[arctic socket]

Will be great

[cunning basin]

The day that happens

I will never post here again, I'll be in fashion simulator

[warm vortex]

I mean rn I always ask if nobody needs a trink or weapon to lootspec a spec that lets then get grace

[cunning basin]

GG Bois it was fun while it lasted 🫡

[royal lantern]

they literally only look a bit weird cus of no tmog, which makes them look way to lanky

[warm vortex]

That’s coming incwow 2

[arctic socket]

I can’t wait to make my t3 set black n red

[warm vortex]

Trust me I work at blizzard (real and true)

[royal lantern]

its insane how tmog would turn them around, but NOOOOOO

[cunning basin]

Exactly like they're missing so much armor, and for whatever reason they can also just... Be naked lmao

[arctic socket]

Bloodfang as purple

[cunning basin]

How we feeling about the anniversary bloodfang update tho

[warm vortex]

I just care about feint being off GCD tbh

[iron ivy]

What a relief that is

[cunning basin]

That's less important than how cool bloodfang update looks, but still very important

[arctic socket]

Shitty set but pieces look sick to use together with other items

[warm vortex]

I mean IMO didn’t need a buff, like some other classes need love defensive wise

[cunning basin]

I think it at least looks significantly better than the original

[warm vortex]

Also just remembered that priory and brew are next season

[cunning basin]

But also agree, good pieces to put into other sets too

[warm vortex]

That’s gonna suck

[arctic socket]

I feel like shoulders could be better

And the belt is naw

[blazing pumice]

it genuinely looks bad

[cunning basin]

I mean... Rogue has 2 defensives and both are very specific

[blazing pumice]

i think the original looks better

the helm looks wrong

[cunning basin]

The original would look good if it was made of more than 5.5 pixels

[warm vortex]

Compare it to like ele shaman dude rogues defensives are cracked

You press fient and just don’t die

And a cheat death , and better hpots, and cloak

[primal iris]

Hey pretty new here so I might be in the wrong channel but does anyone got a good Platter nameplate to highlight refreshing bleed c/ caustic etc for assassination ?

[fast mural]

And now feint is off Global 😄

[cunning basin]

? Astral shift, earthen wall, earth ele plus minor defensive in healing stream totem+off heals and CDR on defensives through flash of lightning...?

[arctic socket]

Personally I don’t like how the helm isn’t blacked out like the og

[cunning basin]

You mean that ele shaman??

[warm vortex]

That’s nothing compared to rogue my guy

[cunning basin]

Brother feint works on like 2 things

[arctic socket]

Not if you take elusiveness

It works on everything

[warm vortex]

Dude in gb alone all 4 bosses have smth that you can feint

[cunning basin]

If something looks at you, for example, a dot, a channel, a cast, any type of shooting, or any other targeted things, you die

[iron ivy]

Elusiveness 👍

[arctic socket]

Elusiveness bis

[cunning basin]

Yes there are lots of things you can feint, and other classes have defensives that work there, and those defensives also work other places

[arctic socket]

With the feint change I’m so excited

[cunning basin]

I play elusiveness in keys

But most people probs shouldn't lol

(inexperience people that is)

[arctic socket]

Some people forget feints a ability

[limber lion]

Yes, me and Whispyr both have custom profiles tailored for Assassination here:

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

at this irrelevant moment in time i wanna state that i had this cookie + perditions + thunderfury when most rogues on this channel didnt even know wow existed 20 years ago

[cunning basin]

I press that shit so much on things it doesn't work on

Just to feel like I did something about my impending demise

[vocal minnow]

like the 3 other things we also have on top of feint? +dwarf or n811

[little niche]

What is the Most Dmg with ilvl 617 guys?😊

[vocal minnow]

7m

[daring hare]

should be 8.6m

[cunning basin]

Feint and cloak? Evasion doesn't do anything unless you talent into it in hero tree xd

[arctic socket]

Evasion does do stuff

If you pull aggro

[vocal minnow]

and you takte that talent 100% of the time

[warm vortex]

Which you should be doing?

Yea that talent is a 100% take

[cunning basin]

0% of the time in raid :p

[arctic socket]

What talent are you talking about with evasion

[cunning basin]

Because you lose 2% dps

[arctic socket]

The dodge?

[cunning basin]

Bait and switch

[arctic socket]

Ooo

[rotund oak]

there is no metric but sim urself,its a very good approach to what ur character could do on a certain environment(dungeon slice for m+ or patchwreck for raid ST fights,yes thats what simulation does in case u didnt know)

[cunning basin]

The choice node

[little niche]

Whaatttt? And single target

[arctic socket]

3m

[cunning basin]

Obviously in m+ bait and switch always getting taken, but in raid aintnoway I'm taking that shit and losing flensing knives value

[rotund oak]

[cunning basin]

2% is 2%

[rotund oak]

im gonna take bas+feint anytime

[arctic socket]

Do you also midmax the combination for your .15% crit jewel?

[cunning basin]

[arctic socket]

In raid if I die it’s the healers fault

[cunning basin]

Nah I yolo in my crit mast gems

[rotund oak]

typical outlaw in disguise

[late surge]

not simming gems smh my head

not like it matters at all

[cunning basin]

Sim deez

[late surge]

bc all of them are within 0.000001% dps

[arctic socket]

Naw

Not that little

[bitter horizon]

Im 625 and dealing 700k ST. W chat?

[late surge]

in dungeon or raid?

[bitter horizon]

raid

[cunning basin]

I've never stood in a single swirlie, line, frontal, or puddle
(Satire)

[late surge]

L chat sadly

[arctic socket]

Either of those that damage sounds horrible

[late surge]

do u have logs?

[warm vortex]

You wearing your cloak of unity?

[bitter horizon]

no im casual

[daring hare]

hes refusing lul

[arctic socket]

Even for a casual player that damage sounds rly low

[rotund oak]

depends the fight but in general no,625 should be in 1mil territory

[bitter horizon]

[iron ivy]

Does the ER change mean that you still get max CP bonus from consuming the supercharge, but also deal extra damage with your next mutilate?

[cunning basin]

He's baiting

Don't fall for it

[bitter horizon]

heroic Queen ansurek. 722k overall

[rotund oak]

..

[arctic socket]

Bro isn’t pressing his buttons

[rotund oak]

i almost fell from my chair

[tropic tundra]

[late surge]

bros spell queueing

[arctic socket]

Drop the logs please

[cunning basin]

Queueing?

[bitter horizon]

i will in a sec

[late surge]

bro

[cunning basin]

I gotchu homie lmao

[late surge]

I have fat fingers

dont bully

pls

[bitter horizon]

dont laugh bro i tried my best

[tropic tundra]

not laughing

[rotund oak]

yo those chonkers fluffy?

[cunning basin]

I'm not I was helping I also have fat fingers

[late surge]

hahahaha

[tropic tundra]

u can do better next time

[iron ivy]

I only have 780k DPS on heroic queen @ 622 ilvl

I am doing something wrong as well 😛

[arctic socket]

How’s yall queen damage so low????

[late surge]

queen is pepega boss to log tbf

[proper hare]

nothing about feint being of gcd in the notes

[iron ivy]

Luckily someone else logged: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hm6xv4KgWCk9wfaV#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=19

[late surge]

but that sounds low

[daring hare]

there are 400 adds an that fight

[arctic socket]

Do you not press buttons during the add platform? 😂

[late surge]

as if adds live longer than 5 sec

[tropic tundra]

platform adds die in 5 sec

[late surge]

KEKW

[tropic tundra]

literally

[cunning basin]

What if I don't?? It's a point and click adventure

I'm just there for the view

[iron ivy]

That's what I am trying to figure out

[bitter horizon]

im running ara and skyrdan trink and my opener is 1.2 mil i think im actually ass on rogue 😭

[iron ivy]

I see I didn't use my combat potion as it was a PUG but apparently it was a good PUG 😄

[tropic tundra]

so...thats bg3

[late surge]

okay u need to drop log

aint no way u do 1.2M opener as 625

[cunning basin]

Hey the view from the platforms is pretty don't judge

[tropic tundra]

yeah that sounds like an awful opener

[rotund oak]

arakara is cringe,go crystal from dawnbreaker or spyglass

[tropic tundra]

I do enjoy watching ansureks void ass from far away

[late surge]

go crystal

[bitter horizon]

for raid or m+?

[late surge]

sap

[cunning basin]

Sacbrood giga cringe

[late surge]

pls

can u teach me how

ive done this dungeon

40000000000 times

[tropic tundra]

lads, one passive trink wouldnt drastically improve the damage

[proper hare]

Shadow bindning ritual knife + Champions skardyns gaming

[cunning basin]

Bro I'm SAYING it's all about that thorussy

[rotund oak]

for everything pretty much,boomerlife wants 1 passive crit on proc fairly awesome and crystal which is another passive/proc also awesome

[manic coral]

is there any sims out for the anniversery gear?

[balmy prism]

Queen is so dependant on how people stack lol, a LOT of the parse damage comes from spattering on webs and if people don't stack you ain't hitting em

also not having 3 warriors instagib em

[rotund oak]

also good alternative but it sims a bit lower than crystal for me

[bitter horizon]

i cant compete with a warr that goes brrrr

[late surge]

I got 99 logs with no spatter

[novel star]

ok but they’re talking about an opener

[cunning basin]

I just insta sectech for turbo padge

[tropic tundra]

yeah

[late surge]

at this point

boss dam is key for hc ansurek logs

xd

[balmy prism]

mind linking it? I'd love to see how you play it tbh

[novel star]

why are we mentioning tombs and trinkets

you people are insane

[late surge]

I mean I have spatter talented

but itsl ike no pad

[balmy prism]

Did you gigapad adds?

[late surge]

also, private logs

[balmy prism]

private hc logs

[tropic tundra]

why would one set a hc log private

[torpid willow]

Hi again, another question, when we don't have IC up, we have to put garot and rupture on all the trash around us in M+ ? The time you do that, don't the first Garot already fade ?
Do we have Vanish up for that ?

[proper hare]

Private logs

[novel star]

“i think im bad, my opener is small”

[cunning basin]

I was actually just talking about ansurek's massive badonk

[spice surge]

Idk people make their mythic logs private too

[late surge]

@balmy prism

[tropic tundra]

also true

[late surge]

I did in fact not pad adds

xd

[balmy prism]

Blaster

[rotund oak]

coz all those aotc guilds might recruit them awesome members bruh,its safety

[limber lion]

You spread Ruptures if you need the energy/Scent stacks, yes. Garrotes are not as important

[spice surge]

If youre not liquid, method or echo i dont see why you would private log

[novel star]

your opener is small because you’re not padding on the mechanic that happens after your opener is done already

[limber lion]

How fast the mobs dies matters a lot

[novel star]

i’m going to kill myself

[balmy prism]

I haven't bothered killing her since week 2 so not sure how I'd do on her now

[late surge]

idk man

guild demands it

[torpid willow]

Garot is only important if coming from Stealth then ?

[limber lion]

I never understood it either, even in top 20 guilds. The reasoning is always "so people play better and don't fiend parses"

but they still do it

[tropic tundra]

kinda yes

[novel star]

private logging is stupid cope from gms who think people play worse when they’re trying to parse or something

[limber lion]

private logs or not

[novel star]

but it’s delusional

[limber lion]

Yeh

[cunning basin]

Weirdge

[late surge]

it is idd

[winged sun]

guys, random question

does it matter what poison to click on first?

[late surge]

I log whore anyways

kekekek

[iron ivy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hm6xv4KgWCk9wfaV#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=19 This is my log on Queen Ansurek

I had to pop 2nd bomb, shouldnt make much of a difference. I see on WoWanalyzer that I was terrible with my garrote, rupture & envenom uptime (83, 85, 75% respectively). My damage seems low, as it is 780k average over the entire fight. Any pointers?

[limber lion]

No

[winged sun]

o ok

[novel star]

legit the opposite for me, i play better knowing i have good parses

ego boost

[tropic tundra]

yeah order doesnt matter

[novel star]

tells me i’m on the right track

[cunning basin]

Same

[balmy prism]

I know myself well enough that if I'm top of the details I'll greed like a cheap whore

[cunning basin]

I want to know I'm doing well

[balmy prism]

so I usually use healing done and deaths instead of dps

[bitter horizon]

also question, do you always start ambush after stealth/vanish ? or you just wait for deathstalke proc

[novel star]

you only ambush when you need to

[tropic tundra]

you cannot proc the mark without ambush bro...

[novel star]

ambush is a bad button

[winged sun]

man

i love assa

[tropic tundra]

but after opener no

[novel star]

so ideally you ambush once in the opener and then just never again

[winged sun]

it feels so good to play in keys

[novel star]

ye

[bitter horizon]

how do u apply deathmarkers if u do no ambush?

[tropic tundra]

yeah unless theres a target swap

[spice surge]

Yep makes no sense

[royal lantern]

read the capstone

[novel star]

you reapply it with darkest night

[bitter horizon]

ahh

i see

[novel star]

only one ambush is required for an entire dungeon (theoretically)

[balmy prism]

that's also how you move your mark between targets ideally

[novel star]

bugs and stuff make this not true

but

[balmy prism]

like on court, you want to be ready for the dmg amp and move mark accordingly

[novel star]

you get the idea

[cunning basin]

If there's a target swap Just pretend there isn't, ez solution 👍 xd

[tropic tundra]

[winged sun]

guys

[tropic tundra]

play our spec maybe

[winged sun]

do i need to press mutilate in aoe after i consume a deathstalker's mark?

[limber lion]

What

[winged sun]

or no point

[limber lion]

No

[tropic tundra]

well you gotta maintain splatter but

[winged sun]

like

[limber lion]

You use it to maintain spatter

that's it

[novel star]

you just mutilate for spatter

[winged sun]

it increases the dmg of mutilate right

[tropic tundra]

not the main builder

[winged sun]

o ok

even for super prio targets?

[spice surge]

Yes

[novel star]

yes

[spice surge]

Because fok is more cp

So its more prio

[tropic tundra]

pew pew

[winged sun]

i c i c

[limber lion]

more finishers better

[winged sun]

its rly bad to drop spatter to minmax right?

have to re apply before it disappears by 1-2 sec?

[cunning basin]

Finishing move good, non finishing move mid

[proper hare]

Muti for spatter rest fok, thats what i do a but im just a 90avg enjoyer

[royal lantern]

ye ofc

[limber lion]

Interesting question

[proper hare]

Never drop spatter

[limber lion]

Not sure how those relate, because dropping spatter is definitely always worse

There's no minmaxing to be done

If spatter drops, it's gg

[cunning basin]

Yes

[winged sun]

@spice surge ?

[cunning basin]

Spatter good

[royal lantern]

ye idk, if spatter at ~2seconds, i press mut and keep going

[cunning basin]

No spatter bad

[limber lion]

Why are you pinging Eleem for?

[novel star]

what is the theoretical minmax

ur thinking of

lol

[limber lion]

There's 17 people answering your question buddy

[winged sun]

asking for everyone's opinion

[novel star]

spatter good, no spatter bad

[limber lion]

There is no opinion

That's a fact

[autumn remnant]

I reapply at 2sec

[inland escarp]

[novel star]

not sure what else u would do with that time

[winged sun]

ok ok

[spice surge]

Is it good to cancelaura blade flurry?

[tropic tundra]

probably not a great idea

[limber lion]

Fuck I need to get my green rank back I guess

gg

[autumn remnant]

but I think u can minmax it at like 1sec, depending on, if u can judge where ur gcd will be at

[winged sun]

o

i see

[autumn remnant]

on that 1 second

[cunning basin]

Yes

[novel star]

skill issue cev

[cunning basin]

Very powerful

[winged sun]

[cunning basin]

On opposite day

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor can we give cev a "honoary green name" rank that is a slightly different shade of green, but makes people listen to him?

[limber lion]

Yeah but going afk for 0.9s and waiting for spatter to be at 0.1s is not worth it either.

[proper hare]

Prob tab targeting more adds for garotte after stealth/vanish idk

[autumn remnant]

thats not what I mean

[cunning basin]

I remember green rank cev

[limber lion]

I know

Just saying

[cunning basin]

Those were the days

[limber lion]

If you press your buttons on gcd, as you should

[royal lantern]

mf that was 5months ago

[limber lion]

You either reapply spatter at 2, 1 or 0s

nothing in between

[cunning basin]

So very long ago

[winged sun]

are we gonna play twist of knife next patch? or someshit?

[limber lion]

of course reality is not exactly like that

but yeah

[winged sun]

master assa

or something

?

[royal lantern]

probably yeha

[winged sun]

in keys?

rly

[cunning basin]

Probs gonna play ttk

[autumn remnant]

like ive found myself somtimes, caustic spatter is at 1 sec left, but I was fof, so im at full cp

[winged sun]

wtf are we dropping tho

[autumn remnant]

and I have to finish

[cunning basin]

I don't think key build changes

[novel star]

ttk prob more valuable in m+ than it is in raid

cus ur just

perma getting it

[winged sun]

brb pulling boss

[cunning basin]

Pull deez

[limber lion]

Dropping spatter is worse than using an extra generator at max cp

[novel star]

every envenom the entire key has 20% rapid injection instead of 10

[limber lion]

generally

[novel star]

[spice surge]

But also thats the situation where you wouldve used mut at 2s left of spatter

[autumn remnant]

so if i was at 7cp cuz I fucked up

[spice surge]

Like cev talked about

[limber lion]

Yeh

[autumn remnant]

and caustic spatter is about to drop

i should just overcap

and mutilate?

[novel star]

ye

[past panther]

yes

[cunning basin]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yuppies

[novel star]

what are u gonna do instead

slam a single target finisher

[past panther]

spatter is so much dps

[royal lantern]

cry

[novel star]

and lose 500 billion spatter damage

aintnoway

[cunning basin]

Spatter is only your top DPS in any multi target situation

So its a tough choice

[royal lantern]

gotta remember

overcapping is normaly bad cus it means you waste a shitton of energy for nothing

in aoe, energy doesnt exist

[novel star]

pretty much

[royal lantern]

so 1 GCD that did "nothing" is not really that bad

[cunning basin]

Energy is only real in st where it is precious

[autumn remnant]

ok, also, another scenario, if I have darkest night, but I was a noob and rupture will drop on that gcd, do I envenom there or rupture

[royal lantern]

DN always has priority

except on pack pull starts where you want to spread dots fast once

[novel star]

i believe dn is prio over rupture

it feels bad but it’s technically correct or sumn

mark uptime is really valuable

[cunning basin]

Yeah

[novel star]

and the rupture pops one stack

[iron ivy]

Ooh I might be doing that wrong

[cunning basin]

Hunt them down etc

[autumn remnant]

so on pack pull, ud garrote / rupture / ct and then go for the buff (assuming it doesnt have like 3 secs left on it)

[novel star]

so u just lose an entire dsm pop

if u rup first

[autumn remnant]

:Hmmge:

[royal lantern]

a big part is

if you rup->generate->mark apply, you have rupture and 3 marks

if you apply mark->generate->rupture, you allready did the stronger auto hits + actually consumed the first mark

[novel star]

ye

[royal lantern]

cus like, finisher and stuff

[novel star]

it feels sketchy but it’s good

mark is just insane

[cunning basin]

Math

[limber lion]

Go for what buff?

[novel star]

dn buff i think they mean

[autumn remnant]

darkest night

[cunning basin]

The math is mathin today

[limber lion]

Right

[novel star]

but ye

[iron ivy]

So you want to use the DN pops mostly for envenom and not for rupture?

[limber lion]

You cannot Rupture it

You have to use Envenom

[cunning basin]

DN only pops with envenom

[iron ivy]

Yeaaaa

[limber lion]

Sooo yeah

[iron ivy]

My bad 😄

[limber lion]

:P

[royal lantern]

:3

[novel star]

in m+ if u have time to get the bleeds up before dn u do that

entire non ambush opener

cuz like

scent and caustic and shit

but when everything is rolling alresdy

[cunning basin]

It would be kinda haha funny if rupture did it for guaranteed crit and allat but

[grim jay]

It cant really feel bad because you kinda missplayed if rupture runs out because of DM

[novel star]

dn>rup

[iron ivy]

I was confused with ER charges

[past panther]

ER is just being loaded into shiv right

[limber lion]

Ye pretty much

[tropic tundra]

I can already hear the snapshot allergic people raging

[iron ivy]

Because you basically have 6 seconds to get it up again right?

[limber lion]

Gets rid of a button and the minigame

With the CP benefits

Very sick

[novel star]

er is being removed gameplay wise, the cp minigame is just gone

[past panther]

Man and it just now started feeling decent to use too

[royal lantern]

yes

🙂

[novel star]

shiv is just buffing ur next finishers

[past panther]

Ye

[tropic tundra]

I always like er...

[novel star]

[worldly sail]

ER always felt decent to use

[iron ivy]

ER feels satisfying

[autumn remnant]

so if Im getting this right, its wrong to garrote garrote garrote(or wahtever to reach 7cp) envenom on pack to consume dn, but I guess it's better to garrote garrote rupture rupture garrote/fof garrote/fof ct?

[past panther]

gonna feel even better when i shiv kb and the boss forces me into a mechanic

hell yeah

[grim jay]

Pandemic, yes, and you kinda watch your dots anyways bcs tracking is what the spec is about. Planning a dot ahead isnt too difficult

[novel star]

ya

because

what are you doing with that envenom

ur huge forced crit 60% buffed envenom

is single targeting

[autumn remnant]

:Hmmge:

[novel star]

and -20% agility

cus u did it so early

[limber lion]

No Spatter, no nothing

[iron ivy]

Might be what is causing my low damage in envenom, the DN tracking

[limber lion]

A very sad, wet noodle Envenom on a single boy

Even though it's 60% higher and crits

[novel star]

get ur 20% agi then get spatter

then you can slam

[limber lion]

still smol

[autumn remnant]

😢

[novel star]

oh get ct too

ct damage per cast is just illegal

u never really change the opener order for dn unless it has a low time remaining

all u do is remove ambush for a 4th garrote

[autumn remnant]

that does seem to explain why my envenom with dn sometimes does 5mill, when ive applied everything beforehand and then consume it

[limber lion]

I reckon Subterfuge is gonna feel nice

[novel star]

Prolly ye

[limber lion]

Opens up the opener so you can do whatever the fuck you want and still get everything up

[royal lantern]

we like subs ye

[austere ridge]

Agreed

[limber lion]

doesn't matter in which order you press anything

but still win

very sick

[novel star]

the iron wire is fucked lol

[limber lion]

yehh

[frosty bridge]

What do people use as 2nd trinket in m+?

[novel star]

whatever robot says

[frosty bridge]

yeah but what does the bis profile use

:3

[novel star]

who cares

[autumn remnant]

I use ara and dawn trinket

[novel star]

bis trinket probably won’t be bis for you right now

because of different stats

[spice surge]

From sims it doesnt really seem worth

Points are too tight to give up something for MA

[grim jay]

3 different things within margin that depend on your Profile

[limber lion]

Yeah I know

[plucky patio]

Is there a WA That counts my ruptures / targets affected?

[austere ridge]

I been using arak sac and GB trinket

[spice surge]

And without MA subterfuge doesnt do much

[limber lion]

But I'm still probs gonna run it

I'm a feelsgood gamer nowadays

[novel star]

i also just use sac and skardyns for everything because i have them and i’m lazy

[spice surge]

Fair enough

Supercharger feels pretty good too ngl

[novel star]

but

simyoself

[limber lion]

I'm just a sad man that I can't run AP + KB + Sudden Demise + Shrouded + SBS

Always gotta drop either SBS or SS

Suuurely they will fix the doomblade pathing one day

or just remove it

or something

[royal lantern]

but muh lethal dose dmg

[iron ivy]

I have compared my Queen HC fight to someone better than me in logs (same fight length). Their envenom dealt 1.8m avg per cast whereas mine dealt 1.25m. In the buffs I saw that they had 20 procs of Darkest Night and I had 14. Explains a lot

[limber lion]

Sounds about right yeah

Man needs to step up his DN game

[iron ivy]

Yepperssss

But hey, I rarely die in Queen fights. I guess that's something

[grim jay]

But daddy cev, whats DN?

[spice spire]

What’s dn

Fuck

[limber lion]

Wouldn't you boys want to know.

[iron ivy]

Daddy Night

[proper hare]

Dankest night

[rotund oak]

you poor newfies

[reef blade]

DN is always top prio ?

Like if you have envenom about to drop and missing 1cp to consume DN, no energy, do you just drop envenom to get that extra cp for DN ?

[cedar hare]

!wwa

!wa

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[worldly sail]

Jumpscare ⚠️

[slate crown]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[frosty bridge]

[spice spire]

Skill issue tbh

[rotund oak]

yup

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-cat-scared-donut-cat-cat-scared-of-donut-watch-out-for-donuts-gif-26890700

[limber lion]

bleeds > DN > everything else basically

Sometimes the DN even takes over the bleeds

[novel star]

mark uptime provides more value than envenom uptime

by a very significant amount

4 answers already

should have scrolled down first

[iron ivy]

Oof, where can you see this?

[opaque sigil]

Does CT snapshot based on target count? I always thought it was dynamic

[spice surge]

CT target count snapshots yes

[opaque sigil]

niiiiiice, thanks

[spice surge]

Your mastery/agility/haste is all dynamic

[worldly sail]

if you hover over the miss% you can see if the attack got parried, then i just went to the "events" tab for kingsbane and ctrl+f "parry"

[iron ivy]

Oh cool, thanks!

[spice surge]

But if there was 5 targets when you casted it there will be +100% until it ticks out

[iron ivy]

I casted 5 envenoms on targets which were immune

[opaque sigil]

does it mean - it is worth to refresh CT on bosses with add respawn (read last boss in GB f.e.) when there are still 5+ targets and buff is still 10 seconds long?

[iron ivy]

I am so good at this game

[opaque sigil]

Because CT kinda slaps, so it feels like it is worth refreshing early just to snapshot

[novel star]

i doubt it

cause

half the value of ur ct cast is wasted

by early refresh

[opaque sigil]

but initial value of CT with 5+ targets is soooo fucking huge anyways hmm

[novel star]

if it does double damage but only lasts half as long

[limber lion]

I mean if the adds respawn and they don't have CT, you would CT

[novel star]

your cast isn’t really doing double damage

[limber lion]

But I wouldn't think about forcing the snapshot or anything

[novel star]

[limber lion]

Anytime there's a new target without CT, you CT

But that's about it

[novel star]

ye ofc

[limber lion]

Just follow normal pandemic rules and you're chilling

[novel star]

but same logic as any early bleed refresh still applies

[opaque sigil]

ye, that’s clear part

[limber lion]

Yeh

You just do as Olli says

don't force an early application

oli? oliii? idk

[novel star]

if your ct is in pandemic it’s an insanely good cast

[limber lion]

vueko

[novel star]

but if it’s not ew

[novel star]

oli or just anything idk idc lmao

i’m chilling

[limber lion]

big

[opaque sigil]

Sadly I’m done with Grim Batol, otherwise would have run some tests

[novel star]

[limber lion]

[iron ivy]

The log I use is in German, Scheiße

[worldly sail]

you can press "translate" in top right somewhere

or just use the german names for abilities then

[iron ivy]

Ah I see, thanks

Probably after intermission

[royal lantern]

deshalb spielt man nix auf deutsch brudi

[novel star]

why don’t guilds just raid every day all the time forever

i want to fight bosses

and have fun playing videogame

[royal lantern]

get out

[novel star]

[royal lantern]

fun is not allowed

[novel star]

sorry

[past panther]

because normies don’t have time to raid every day

[novel star]

SAD!!!!!!

[limber lion]

Would recommend a massive weakaura that appears in the middle of your screen that says "boss immune"

very handy

[winged sun]

guys

what rank is fine for herb in mists

what lvl

[limber lion]

0

[winged sun]

1?

[limber lion]

yes

[winged sun]

just herb thats it

ok

yt

ty

[slow snow]

What do you guys do about getting pulled out of stealth in every room in mists maze?

[blazing pumice]

stay back until they spawn

and the spinny animation finishes

[normal mist]

Just wait a bit at the back

[slow snow]

Ahhhh okay thanks

[subtle tundra]

i love that it goes immune and it doesnt proc deathstalkers mark so if you fuck up and not get to procc'ing DN you lose mark

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

i have to intentionally lose dps for that

[timid hound]

Does anyone know a streamer that has an interesting rogue UI? I'm using one but it's not very good

[subtle tundra]

though it doesnt matter for me

actually

[iron ivy]

On 6 CP and DN, do you mutilate an extra time or use FOK as it is only 35 energy on ST?

[blazing pumice]

mutilate

[iron ivy]

And what if you are on 5 CP and have to reapply rupture soon, do you mutilate extra to 7 CP Rupture?

[blazing pumice]

rupture follows normal finisher rules

[slow snow]

Which is 5+ right?

[normal mist]

Yes

[iron ivy]

Okay so we reapply on 5 CP, even though it means we have to reapply it sooner which costs more energy in the long run

[blazing pumice]

wasting cps costs more energy in the long run

[iron ivy]

ah ye nvm

[slow snow]

You also consume a stack of DM sooner

[iron ivy]

makes more sense, the mutilate costs more energy 😄

Cool, thanks everyone!

[limber lion]

Always finish on 5+

Except DN

And technically Slice for like 5 more days

[novel star]

lmao

nah i love 5+ snd

to keep gambling fatebound coins

when my tank isn’t pulling

(don’t do this)

[limber lion]

And to maintain Alacrity!

🕺

[novel star]

based

[main plover]

do we know if we change any talents with 11.0.5 now that official notes are out?

[limber lion]

Yeah, we're likely playing TTK but there's still sims etc. under the works

More info about talents and builds will come out closer to the patch day

[main plover]

ty

[tawdry halo]

!wa

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!ui

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[late tusk]

Got a bout about crafting, cause if i craft a dagger 636, i use 1 spark and 1 636 item, but if i do a double ahnd weapon its the same no?

I mean, we are losing runes on crafts vs classes with double hand weapon

[limber lion]

No

[bitter horizon]

no if u wanna craft a 2h it costs 2 sparks

[limber lion]

They need 2 sparks

[late tusk]

Ye, but i mean runes

Crests

i think its called

[bitter horizon]

yes but most likely u dont craft 2 daggers

[hard garnet]

What are the best consumables to be using on weapons for Raids at the moment? I normally use x2 iron claw T3 but I’ve seen some people are running bubbling wax and mana oil?

[novel star]

they are all so similar it barely matters

t3 whetstone is the best

but people want to save gold because it’s so insanely small of a difference

[hard garnet]

Oh ok cool so how much is the mana oil on ah like 300g?

[novel star]

don’t remember

i just know it’s cheaper than stones

[hard garnet]

Ah ok

Also as the wax is pickpocketed I’m assuming it’s easy to get 10+ in a short span of time

[novel star]

u can get like 40 in <10min

[hard garnet]

Oh fair enough I might have to look at doing that then bc I’m low on gold

[novel star]

ya

don’t waste money on baller consumables

[hollow stone]

that's probably a slight exaggeration, but they are free and fast to farm

but only works on 1 weap

and ilvl impacts it

[hard garnet]

Is it a permanent weapon?

[novel star]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[hollow stone]

no, it's the same as oil or whetstones

[novel star]

^

[hard garnet]

Right ok so you could pair it with a whetstone?

[novel star]

ya

[hollow stone]

yes

[novel star]

u would like

[hard garnet]

Ah 2h gotcha

[novel star]

mh wax oh stone or smth

[junior flame]

ideas about empowering crystal trinket?

[novel star]

it’s a little worse than stones and roughly tied with oil i think

[novel star]

Sim

[hollow stone]

it's good but it's not great

[novel star]

it’s alright

[hard garnet]

Kk i will do so is it like a 0.1% difference then?

[junior flame]

Yeah its the only 623 option i got, just started last reset and was the only +10 i had time to play

[hard garnet]

Between stone and wax that is

[novel star]

it’s like ~.3 i think

[hard garnet]

Oh ok

[novel star]

so pretty worth

if u wanna save gold

[hard garnet]

Yeah

[novel star]

it’s not rly a noticeable difference

[novel star]

answer is ultimately still just to sim it

but like

it’ll probably be better than anything else once fully upgraded

[hard garnet]

Are the BRD stuff dimming correct yet or are we having to wait until reset?

[novel star]

there’s just no reason not to sim when it’s easy and free

[hard garnet]

Simming*

[novel star]

no idea

[sour oasis]

!oc

hello guys

do you have a good profil of OC ?

OmniCD

[iron ivy]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[iron ivy]

I'm not a pathetic little dagger boi

The only question remains: Do I upgrade my hero MH to 626, craft a 636 weapon or hope for mythic kukri from bloodbound horror

[late tusk]

And im doing boralus on bucle to shit items that i dont get

[pseudo lantern]

race

[late tusk]

3 chests and 2 boots

sadge

[worthy lintel]

is there a breakdown for how the new ptr affects assassination? I am looking in the pins but dont see

[late tusk]

Is Mist 11 doable with 800-1m overall dmg? guess just carried right?

I maen, SUPER HARD carried

[slate crown]

Cooks still in the kitchen. Expect a post/video over the weekend.

Well

There are videos and pins about the PTR stuff

[royal lantern]

doable? ye sure, but you are kinda almost dead weight

[slate crown]

but we'll get an updated recommendation set this weekend

[balmy prism]

I crafted one and did my oh to 626, haven't seen that fat bastard drop a single knife on mythic for the last 3 weeks

don't count on raid drops essentially

but you can always wait until after you've killed it to do your crafting etc

[late tusk]

Feel struggle to improve now, too much overgeared people arround 7s-8s

[frigid niche]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slate crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob2EUnstXBU If you want some initial thoughts on the impacts. Again, more to come in the coming days

[fickle lotus]

Basically absolutely nothing changes you just don't press SnD and now you have to make sure your energy dosen't go below 30 or whatever the auto proc on tea is

[spice spire]

Can I get this in novel form instead

Leather bound preferred

[slate crown]

No english was my worst subject I hated writing papers

gave me literal panic attacks

[hot jay]

2 buttons removed from opener setup in m+ I'm ok with this

Not that I'm out of buttons either

[spice spire]

wait actually?

[slate crown]

Yeah

[spice spire]

You word things very well

I find that surprising actually

[slate crown]

It's not a competency thing

I just hated doing it, legit made me break down

I was in the remedial english class but the advanced math/physics classes