assassination

[lament stump]

i just cant picture it

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

This is the first tier since antorus where I didn’t play sub

Wait no

I played sub during antorus

Uh

[subtle kiln]

this tier is sadness

[lament stump]

i started this season so iknow u as assass enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Idk

[subtle kiln]

My guess is BFA you dropped it

[balmy condor]

Emerald nightmare?

[lament stump]

im farming emerald nightmare for the illusion

[random sandal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

I played it on zul

Eternal palace maybe

[subtle kiln]

After that

[balmy condor]

I think I played it eternal palace though

[subtle kiln]

Everyone played it on zul

[balmy condor]

For the penultimate

[lament stump]

are you telling me whispyr sub videos are not an impossibility ?

[subtle kiln]

After combo there were like 12 mythic parses

[subtle tundra]

all bersions were

[subtle kiln]

[balmy condor]

Nah I don’t like Dragonflight+ sub

I had to play it on raz

I also played it for aberrus on terros

And I played it on tindral

In amirdrassil

[lament stump]

fair enough

[subtle tundra]

ok buddy you didnt have to there

just cause you fomo'd into it or smth

[strange python]

terros wasn’t in aberrus

[subtle tundra]

performance anxiety

[balmy condor]

Whatever I played it on something in aberrus

[balmy condor]

No it’s cause guild lead said “more root damage” and I was like okay sub I guess idk and he said yes pls

[strange python]

You played it on tindral but didn’t wanna play it on smolderon?

[balmy condor]

And then we recruited like 3 paladins

[subtle tundra]

those requests get ignored by me

[balmy condor]

Correct, I played sin all of prog on smold

[subtle tundra]

we got to p3 yesterday 3 times on queef

holeeee

[drifting cloud]

did you extend by any chance?

[subtle tundra]

no reclear? yea we extended

you can lose so much time if kyveza/silken fuck you

not worth atp

[drifting cloud]

yeah, people were worreid that might happen to us

but then we 2 tapped her after inting prog

[subtle tundra]

our first kyveza reclear was the same

3 pulls

and only*

[random sandal]

anyone have Plater for m+ that hides all the dots expect rapture and garrtoe

[balmy condor]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[random sandal]

just want mod that hides crimson tempest and all the other uncessary buffs

[loud brook]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Whispyrs does that

Changes bar color for DSM and caustic

[balmy condor]

That’s just default settings in plater dude

You don’t need a mod for that

[wooden kiln]

Hello, do you have any tips for Ovi'nax?
I feel like I can't hit Blood parasites if I'm not right under the boss because of our short aoe range but in the boss I just get destroyed by hidden purple pools

[balmy condor]

Why are you hitting parasites

[vast bloom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

Just cleave off the boss

That’s what caustic spatter is for

[solar orbit]

What piece from the tier can we drop?

[wooden kiln]

I'm not target switching on them but even with Fok and Tempest it mostly doesn't hit them if I'm not in the boss tail

[balmy condor]

Idk what to tell you man

Fok and Ct range is pretty big

You don’t need to be under the boss

[wooden kiln]

Ok ok so I'm the only having issues with that, will try placing myself on a side instead of the back maybe

Ty a lot man!

[coral ibex]

im a big side enjoyer on ovinax

big tail = big eating swirlies

[balmy condor]

Yeah tail is banned

[wooden kiln]

• question about the boss, purple pools pop right underneath us? Like can de bait them? Or is it a random pop?

[balmy condor]

You can bait them yes

They target near players

[royal lantern]

iirc its both?

[wooden kiln]

Ok thanks a lot, have a great day/night

[balmy condor]

It is not

It’s just standard near player

[subtle tundra]

yea at the end of the fight is most noticeable, you want to go into purple on the ground to bait the swirlies outside of melee

[hazy pumice]

is this spec always nrg starved or am i doing sth wrong? i just follow the opener on wowhead and it leaves me with no nrg afterwards

[subtle tundra]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[subtle tundra]

🙂

[hazy pumice]

great havent tried out the aoe rotation yet how is it different?

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

allright, we are just shit at baiting then

[hazy pumice]

i meant the energy thing

why is it such a pita in st but not at aoe

[hollow talon]

Just play outlaw for extendo range

O wait

[royal lantern]

aoe = many bleeds = endless energy

[hollow talon]

[balmy condor]

Because playing around your energy in single target is a core design element of our rotation

That’s how the spec has operated since the before times

[coral ibex]

if you could just infinitely spam envenoms it would be broken

[subtle tundra]

it wouldnt

cause it would be balanced around spamming envenoms

[balmy condor]

They would just nerf envenoms

[coral ibex]

back in my day we played around getting 2 mutilates in our envenom buff

[royal lantern]

the times when Seli was still young (aka before WW1)

[desert cove]

Whispyr where is my ranting video on potential changes for the anniversary patch

[balmy condor]

I already made two

[shy pecan]

Toxic

[desert cove]

It’s my favorite part of a new patch

[royal lantern]

there is not really much Changes

[balmy condor]

Gonna make a new one over the weekend to complain that the spec is back to 55 apm

[hollow talon]

They should make it so you have to behind target again to do damage

That was fun

[desert cove]

[subtle tundra]

holy shit

[royal lantern]

bloodbound parried 2x kb Yesterday :3

[subtle tundra]

i will watch them in my commute!

[balmy condor]

Twist the knife is a decent idea to fix the 100% envenom uptime problem, but it introduces like 4 more problems

[hollow talon]

This kept happening to me last week I thought my keyboard was broken

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

Twist the knife just plasters a bandaid over envenom uptime

Very cool

[royal lantern]

do we even change our envenom behavior at all

[balmy condor]

A wet bandaid soaked in gasoline

[subtle tundra]

for some reason i havent had a single kb parry on queen, im actually starting to think it cant parry

but then i get a rupture parried or smth

which is ??

[slate crown]

Does it smell nice like gasoline too?

[balmy condor]

Atm no, because envenom clipping at 2 stacks is a bit doomed

[subtle tundra]

but i might just be insane, might need meds

[royal lantern]

mate, i got my opener SbS parried once

and my brain shut off

[hallow pelican]

Kyveza parried my kingsbane tonight .. admittedly i was rattled after

[balmy condor]

Actually it’s a ranged spell, so it got deflected, very different

:)

[royal lantern]

ye figures

like idk, rn it just feels like a talent that will feed again into burst windows and nothing else

[subtle tundra]

holy moly we are around wr 20 with our 38% pull

[balmy condor]

No, twist is like a great idea

The problem is just that they designed envenom talents around it not stacking

And now it stacks

[hallow pelican]

maybe add a multiplier based on stacks to increase uptime?

[balmy condor]

What does that mean

[subtle tundra]

well. knowing blizz we got our share of changes this expac so we are done for now

[hallow pelican]

instead of clipping you extend ... or is that not a thing

[balmy condor]

Idk what that means either

What’s the difference?

[hallow pelican]

if everything is based around it not stacking .. but now it stacks ... make it not stack and instead extend based on the possible stack

[balmy condor]

[fallen arch]

So you’re saying just double the duration

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t change anything

It’s 100% uptime

[royal lantern]

opens my browser->max "how good the Specs feel tierlist"->sub at the highest rank->close it again

oh boy, there will be some smart takes in the near future again

[balmy condor]

Twist the knife fixes the uptime problem by raising the maximum uptime from 100% to 200%

[fallen arch]

Max made a feely tierlist?

[subtle tundra]

woah content for my commute

i will gobble anything at this point

[hallow pelican]

any excuse for that guy to just keep flying around the city instead of actually playing

[subtle tundra]

need something to keep me from kms

[earnest remnant]

there is two different sets, one set of random swirls and then 1 set of near/on

[fallen arch]

Uh what

[royal lantern]

so you are saying we both where right?

[fallen arch]

He literally just won world first

[royal lantern]

yes sure, mr.21

[hallow pelican]

he wasnt playing though he was sitting on the sidelines playcalling

he didnt play a single pull

[fallen arch]

And that makes u a bad player?

[hallow pelican]

i didnt say he was a bad player

[subtle tundra]

yea he is actively dragging liquid down doing that tbh

[hallow pelican]

he'd have to actually ... you know ... PLAY

[earnest remnant]

kinda? yeah

[coral ibex]

why do you care if max plays the game or not

lmao

[hallow pelican]

I dont ... I dont watch his stream anymore ... all he does is fly around and make tier lists

[subtle tundra]

and thats the great part of life

[hallow pelican]

im not saying hes bad or stupid

[subtle tundra]

nobody is making you watch him

[hallow pelican]

im just saying he doesnt PLAY

[subtle tundra]

its your choice to not!

i dont watch him either

[hallow pelican]

Did you guys hit your head or something? read what i said

[coral ibex]

thats crazy bc the last few times i watched him he was doing 4/8 mythic and 8/8 heroic clears

he has higher rio than me

[vast bloom]

where do you use tea? on burst or only when missing ener?

[royal lantern]

if i dont watch world first streams and the mdi 4hours a day, Ion sends the hitsquad and kills my dog

[earnest remnant]

no filter evasion bucko

[subtle tundra]

But i was flaming meself...

youre a raccoon what do you know

[cinder grotto]

Curious, do you guys play around Darkest Night in M+? Do you try to apply it to a mob with low health to trigger another upong its death, or do you prefer to DN the mob with highest health to get more spatter uptime? I've been playing around with this and it feels good getting a lot of big envenoms off, but I don't know if it's worth the effort?

[karmic crystal]

Missing energy in shiv

[sharp viper]

high health

[coral ibex]

mark prio target

[cinder grotto]

Gotcha thanks

[grim jay]

So you basically have to choose between your dog and your braincells

[royal lantern]

and both dont exist

[grim jay]

So you basically cant choose

Because you got no options

[balmy condor]

And he said no filter evasion

[grim jay]

Dang, what a situation to be in

[lucid horizon]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[sharp viper]

free of choice! sounds great to me

[subtle tundra]

some people are playing assa in mdi time trials 😒

is assa op guuuys

[balmy condor]

I mean for aoe in keys 100%

[subtle tundra]

huh in necrotic wake they play aug double dk

guess shit hurts in their pulls

[grim jay]

Well nw is an extreme

[runic hinge]

ayo?

[boreal lichen]

How does the new ER work ? Do we still need to hit the blue combo point ? Or is it a pure passive ability now ? Which is related to new shiv.

[balmy condor]

Pure passive empowers next finishers after shiv

[grim jay]

New shiv?

Do we get a new shiv?

[cunning needle]

thank goodness, i needed a new one after my last one broke from stabbing that guy

[pliant gazelle]

Will have to do Quick Math, like 5+2 to know if I should send finisher.

[dim mural]

It's renamed to Prison Shank

[balmy condor]

What

[sharp viper]

i don't think the finisher logic changes

[earnest remnant]

that aint how it works lol

[balmy condor]

We’re not able to finish on 5 anymore?

[grim jay]

Thats based, hope the icon looks like a glass shard or a sharpened spoon

[pliant gazelle]

Ah, maybe I missnderstand the new thing

[earnest remnant]

finish on 5 counts as 7

finish on 7 counts as 9

pretty straight forward

[subtle tundra]

tell me from bfa that wed get 9 cp finishers in 3 expansions and i wouldve been kinda hyped

[earnest remnant]

can you super charge me whispyr?

i need the energy after silken court prog

[pliant gazelle]

If I have darkest night up, and I am supercharged, and at 5cp, shouldnt I send ?

[grim jay]

Idk if you can handle his charger

[balmy condor]

Go for it

[pliant gazelle]

So I indeed have to do a complexe addition while gaming to know when I should spend

[grim jay]

You wouldve send it there anyways

[balmy condor]

No?

You could build to 7 if you want

Completely neutral

But yeah

[sharp viper]

darkest night disagrees

[balmy condor]

Idk man

It’s like

[subtle tundra]

cant wait to get that 50 second rupture 🤤

[balmy condor]

The most basic ability known to man

[subtle tundra]

dot spec btw

[earnest remnant]

cant wait for my 14-15 cp coup casts

[grim jay]

I mean building up to 5 Cp would still proc DN

Atleast

[sharp viper]

is that forced downtime going to be fixed or are you gonna revel for a second in it's glory?

[earnest remnant]

dunno

dont ask me

[balmy condor]

Hot take, I think the coup gcd should’ve been longer

[earnest remnant]

im just here for the vibes

[grim jay]

3s

Flat

[earnest remnant]

that is rather hot

[balmy condor]

The coup gcd feels incredible

I’m a huge fan

Like I actively miss it when I play assa

[sharp viper]

he wants outlaw/sub players to have a moment to reflect on their choices

[earnest remnant]

for assa it would just be a normal gcd whispyr

lets not kid ourselves

[balmy condor]

When I played outlaw in delves

I fucking FIENDED for coup gcd

I wanted that shit so bad

[sharp viper]

it's called POOLING and it's CLASSY

[earnest remnant]

its the time when you can scratch your nuts

coup gcd is great

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/big-money-hustlas-violent-j-big-baby-sweets-father-duckett-pray-gif-27632613

[royal lantern]

get help

[balmy condor]

Dude all I’m saying

Is I love coup gcd

Coup should replaced darkest night

Fuck 60% env buff

Should be a big 3 second 90 cp envenom

[grim jay]

90

Cp

[earnest remnant]

did you get through egg bish yet whispyr?

[sharp viper]

based

[balmy condor]

I would fucking cum myself

[earnest remnant]

or you still fiending on him

[short flicker]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

We recleared today

2 hours of kyveza so far

[earnest remnant]

kyveza is an okay boss i thin

think*

[sharp viper]

are you going for kyveza before egg?

[grim jay]

You like her more, dont you?

Id take the lasershow over ovinax every day

[short flicker]

i have 2x dawnthread but i get only 756 crit like i am using 1?

[balmy condor]

It’s okay

[distant egret]

take fall dmg and it will fix itself

[grim jay]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[balmy condor]

We killed egg twice already

[grim jay]

We for some reason dont have any tank willing to play bdk

[earnest remnant]

big pump on it

[subtle tundra]

do you like kayveza

[earnest remnant]

2.3milly

[balmy condor]

Yeah fixed parse today

[balmy condor]

It’s aight

[earnest remnant]

WHY

are you also higher ilvl than me MAN

fuck this game

[worthy surge]

hi guys since ive been so unlucky with the grace trinket what should i run instead would it be easier to screen shot what i have ? or sim them all

[subtle tundra]

favorite part of it for me was having to force kb uses asap so i could get the last dm after 6:10 off

so sometimes id use kb and get line and have a completely dogshit kb

[grim jay]

@quiet oar Probably has higher ilvl aswell

[balmy condor]

Stealthi im progging 6/8 mythic with a veteran track trinket from m0, i dont wanna hear shit from you

[earnest remnant]

we kill at 6min now

its great

also

just cloak the charge

[grim jay]

Skardyns?

[earnest remnant]

[subtle tundra]

we 5 healed

[balmy condor]

Ofc

Me and my 606 skardyns walking up to the nexus princess

Pogchamp

[grim jay]

Why dont you just take the L and use transmitter

[balmy condor]

I DONT FUCKING HAVE ONE YOU APE

[slow tulip]

just get a hero track one ?!

[solid latch]

[balmy condor]

YOU THINK THAT HASNT CROSSED MY MIND YOU IDIOT

[runic hinge]

in b4 you get mythic transmitter

[grim jay]

Why dont you just loot one

[subtle tundra]

we had quite a lot of intermission deaths so just went safe route cause dps is easier to come by

[slow tulip]

a lot of ppl like whispyr just refuse to get a hero one for some reason :/ self sabotage i believe\

[earnest remnant]

im progging 7/8

[grim jay]

Yeah right

Idk

[balmy condor]

Okay well you used 90 crests crafting wrists that’s not my problem man

[earnest remnant]

i had no choice

[subtle tundra]

all my mythic loot from raid is a pants and a dagger(who i got cause 2 dropped in the same kill)
thank god i farmed mythic boes otherwise id be at your gear level LOL

[earnest remnant]

we got 0 leather loot

outside of fucking BELTS

i do have 45 more crests to spend this week tho

[grim jay]

I thought you were sharing the pain but then you just slapped him

[earnest remnant]

w/e i decide to actually farm them in m+

[subtle tundra]

i think its more pain for me cause i had to farm boes buddy

[earnest remnant]

best part about my wow armory page, i havent selected a hero talent as outlaw cuz i havent specced it once all expansion

[zealous tundra]

yo guys, can someone advise if i'm doing smth wrong with rotation or just stat priority? Am I right that for sin deathstalker it is mastery > haste > crit > versa ?

[balmy condor]

It’s whatever sims higher

[zealous tundra]

that's boralus +11, me bad?

[grim jay]

I had to, for profession weekly items

[balmy condor]

Your caustic is way too low

[coral ibex]

idk how spatter is 5th

press mutilate

[balmy condor]

Caustic should be above CT

[subtle tundra]

wait wtf i am 4/8M

[balmy condor]

Nice I have more prog than you

[zealous tundra]

yeah with like over 10 targets I confuse too much, with tab, to locate the ruptured target and etc

[balmy condor]

Okay well don’t do that then

[grim jay]

Wasnt there a command for that

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[zealous tundra]

so the idea is too stealth ambush > garrote, tab tab > rupture > tab tab garrot and tab tab rupture for multiple targets?

[grim jay]

Oh thats it alright, ty

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor i see people asking you sub questions as well in twitch chat, does my breakdown look alright here?

[balmy condor]

No just stop tabbing

[coral ibex]

no you dont need to tab target for carnage

i never do that

[grim jay]

Read the big text above

[balmy condor]

Looks great man

[runic hinge]

is trickster sub fun

[grim jay]

You should work on your sectec crit rate

[balmy condor]

Not really

[cunning needle]

no, you should be black powdering when you have coup buff but not in dance

[zealous tundra]

but mousing over for me is like very difficult, I am playing on a remote PC, like Shadow gaming, and mouse here is just too floaty

[earnest remnant]

define fun

[balmy condor]

Then don’t do that

[zealous tundra]

then just lose the 3 target bleed stacks?

[cunning needle]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cunning needle]

its fine

[grim jay]

I think trickster could be really fun if it wouldnt have some gimmicky things

[coral ibex]

you will already have infinite energy with 5 garrotes + 5 ruptures

and max scent stacks

[grim jay]

That are kinda weird

[balmy condor]

You’re losing 5% dps by frankly being a shitter with your caustic target tracking

You’re not going to lose 5% because you lose a couple garrotes over a key

[modest nexus]

!pre

[tough hare]

If you have DN up and open with garrote, do you care about consuming darkest night in the carnage window ? Or just spread as much garrote and rupture in carnage and consume DN after that ?

[balmy condor]

Just take the L

[grim jay]

You spread

And even ct before dn

[tough hare]

Unless DN is about to expire I guess right ?

[balmy condor]

You can also just open with ambush

Like ambush gar instead of gar gar

[tough hare]

As safety yeah, cheers

[zealous tundra]

kinda love rogue for over 3 years that i've put into her, I still learn new stuff

[tough hare]

I do both but dont really feel which is better

[balmy condor]

Neither

It’s one gcd

[tough hare]

True

[balmy condor]

You won’t notice a difference from one gcd

Especially cause there’s a 10-12% dps swing

From nothing except raw rng

[coral ibex]

you get more damage from just sending smart cleave bleeds into your marked target, applying caustic, and getting into your cooldowns asap

vs tab target bleeding

[modest nexus]

!pull

[grim jay]

I always try to forget it but Whispyr is here to renew the memory

[zealous tundra]

so if there are 10 targets, just gar gar rupture rupture gar gar and then stack tempest and use caustic would be good instead of tab tab between targets to bleed out the pack?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[zealous tundra]

thanks you my love

[cunning needle]

you dont need more than 5 ruptures up

[sharp viper]

skill issue

[runic hinge]

yeah tell 'em!

[zealous tundra]

purely for dmg I guess, prob

[modest nexus]

!envenom

[zealous tundra]

but not worth it?

[cunning needle]

its not

[coral ibex]

rupture isn't for damage

its for energy

[grim jay]

But hes atleast looting trinkets unlike Whispyr

[subtle tundra]

rupture is for dmg

[coral ibex]

and scent

[grim jay]

Who refuses to

[subtle tundra]

look up scent of blood

[grim jay]

Scent is dmg

[coral ibex]

you dont want to apply more ruptures than you can get scent stacks

[cunning needle]

please stop smelling people, it's getting creepy

[coral ibex]

maybe if you somehow need the energy

[runic hinge]

you guys have smelly damage is what i'm getting from this

[zealous tundra]

so not valid to have +5 targets ( i mean to really sweat it) as we already got 20% agil?

[grim jay]

Im waiting for my next 300 Euro cologne so my scent gets improved for more dps

[zealous tundra]

i mean 5+

[coral ibex]

yea you just need 5 for max scent stacks, then just rip into your caustic target

[zealous tundra]

this is what sim says, but yeah I such pretty much, eggs cocks and whatever

[balmy condor]

You gonna ask a question or are you just gonna keep trying random words hoping to rng into a bot command

[cunning needle]

oh wait !help acutally is a command

!rupture

[zealous tundra]

!pussy

[cunning needle]

!mut

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t really work

[cunning needle]

yeah

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t have all of them

Cause we hit message limit

[modest nexus]

🤣 looking for the pooling command

[grim jay]

Dslice isnt representative of how much dmg you should deal in a key

[cunning needle]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[coral ibex]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cunning needle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cunning needle]

[grim jay]

!spam

[modest nexus]

Ok easy 🥸

[balmy condor]

Easy peasy

[golden loom]

hmm I wonder what the pooling command would be

[cunning needle]

lemon squeezy

[balmy condor]

Just ask next time, regulars know the commands

[west crown]

!angermanagement

[grim jay]

!energy

[coral ibex]

does CT snapshot the targets affected on cast or dynamically as it ticks

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[grim jay]

Wait

[balmy condor]

Snapshot

[grim jay]

There is an energy command

[brisk plank]

Guys, did anyone else have an issue with insane latency spikes since weekly reset? It only occurs on bossfights in dungeons, world ms would spike up to 3k and its absolutely unplayable. Might be some addon or wa, havent checked it yet but I'd like to know if anyone else had experience with this because its super frustrating

[balmy condor]

It’s an alias for !design

The same way !ui and !plater work for !wa

[coral ibex]

ok i've been trying to do that with CT on some bosses that spawn adds but wasnt sure if it just resulted in a 1 target CT after a few ticks

[runic hinge]

I only lag when elon musk decides i don't deserve internet anymore

or if a cloud goes over

[coral ibex]

now i feel smart

[grim jay]

Yeah kinda makes sense, didnt know about any of those aliases

[cunning needle]

!simulation

!sim

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[cunning needle]

!spec

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[cunning needle]

i'll stop.

[grim jay]

Its why you pick ct on mythic ovinax

Basically

[coral ibex]

i thought it was because singular focus is really good but that makes sense too

[grim jay]

Yeah its actually multiple things, but the CT snapshot should be most of it

As the adds dont really live long

[cunning needle]

speaking of ovinax

is it worth putting a rupture on a worm just about to die

to get energy back?

ive been doing that because it feels good

but like

[grim jay]

Think Whispyr said at some point when sudden demise was new that it was bad to do, so since without SD you even take away the damage part and its only energy, I'd guess it aint worth

But I might be wrong

[cunning needle]

mathmatically it's probably wrong

[steel geyser]

It's a loss

[cunning needle]

thought so

guess i just cop the downtime

do people rupture the adds anyway in broodtwister?

[runic hinge]

better to put the rupture on the worm like 10 seconds before it dies

[cunning needle]

since no scent

[steel geyser]

I only did during prog on p2 spiders

And isolated worm that is the last to die

[cunning needle]

kk

[steel geyser]

Assuming you're talking about mythic

[royal lantern]

would you rupture me for 10seconds if i was a worm

[runic hinge]

depends on if i needed the energy

[steel geyser]

But yea we don't play scent of blood on brood so

[shy pecan]

No

[cunning needle]

ye mythic

[steel geyser]

You usually just do st rotation coupled with CT

[feral wasp]

next time /love the worms to get the achievement "would you love me if i was a worm"

[cunning needle]

whats a disheartened worm?

[grim jay]

Id split you in half

[shy pecan]

[grim jay]

Is that real? (im a "who cares about AVs" guy)

[feral wasp]

yes there is an achievement like that, don't remember if whole raid must do it though

[quiet oar]

I have only 630

Diddnt get any items yesterday

Probabyl because of the fact, that i had 10 Myth track items and the average in our guild was 6

[balmy condor]

I might be able to hit 631 by end of week

missing a couple crests

[subtle tundra]

🤨

631?

wtf

[balmy condor]

that's what I said

[subtle tundra]

im 629 on queef

wth

cheaters

[prisma carbon]

do we know if the changes next week are a buff?

[balmy condor]

we do know

[quiet oar]

im at 630.56

No 631 for me this week

[balmy condor]

you capped crests already I assume?

[steel geyser]

631, 632 on bags

[quiet oar]

Can only upgrade 1 time

[balmy condor]

I see

[quiet oar]

miss 2 crests

[royal lantern]

629, everyone above me is a nerd with no life

[prisma carbon]

how much are we gaining approximately?

[steel geyser]

619 mandate and cloak are Inting my ilvl

[balmy condor]

0%

[prisma carbon]

[balmy condor]

you asked if we knew

[quiet oar]

ye i have several 619 items aswell

I need gilded crest

[nova fractal]

Anyone know if splatter reaches the adds on Bloodbound horror if you are hitting boss?

[quiet oar]

But cap is too small

[balmy condor]

what's the ilvl for crafting with runed crests

[steel geyser]

I want more..

[quiet oar]

619

[nova fractal]

619

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

[nova fractal]

RIP

[balmy condor]

wtf

[quiet oar]

Runed crests

are low

[nova fractal]

runed are 4-7

Gilded are the 8+ and 636

[balmy condor]

game sucks

[quiet oar]

My gear atm

plzz whisp

dont hate me

[next dust]

Rate mog nerds

[opaque sigil]

639 ara and skardyn wtfffff

[night cipher]

-6.9

[next dust]

Perfect

[drifting lance]

Im sick of farming grim batol

[quiet oar]

oh the huge crests saves

of neck adn cloak

[drifting lance]

loot master privilege

[next dust]

Took me only 38, keep grinding

[quiet oar]

Just took me a vault

[drifting lance]

took me like 90 for windscar whetstone.

but that was a good dungeon.

so it was doable.

[next dust]

Grim is chill

[atomic creek]

What are the thoughts on the changes to Reprimand?

[opaque sigil]

After 40 runs I got to love grim

[drifting cloud]

[opaque sigil]

With all the nerfs its actually a nice dungeon I believe

[next dust]

You actually learn the dungeon pretty well if u play it that often

[drifting lance]

Had someone say they'd go agii spec for me, for the trinket... and he gets an int trinket at the end.

[next dust]

Which is good if you wanna do high keys

[drifting lance]

I need to take a mental break.

[next dust]

xddd

I got dawn trinket first try tho

A guy gave it to me

I prefer it over ara kara

[zealous tundra]

can we see stat prio?

[balmy condor]

no

[drifting lance]

I have a myth Anub'ikkaj but idk

i Prefer egg

[zealous tundra]

pls pls pls

[drifting lance]

since I ad ad spam anyway and consistency

[balmy condor]

you asking for my stat prio is exactly why I won't tell you

[zealous tundra]

come on, let learners be learners

[balmy condor]

exactly

that's why I'm not showing you

cause you don't learn shit from it

it's in your best interest to not look at my stats

[covert schooner]

I know its super random here, but I can't figure out a configured voice lines for raid/m_+ anyone have a profile? on big wigs

[sharp viper]

hero track knife and myth track wings insane

[subtle tundra]

am i the only guy with 0 rare loot

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

aaaaa

[drifting lance]

do u ahve skydaryn

[drifting cloud]

I got the warbound sikran neck does that count

[drifting lance]

cus thats rare loot

[quiet oar]

He really the lucky one

frfrf

[sharp viper]

frfr

[quiet oar]

Just loot it ? or get it looted for you?

[zealous tundra]

it is pretty hard for me to understand stats properly, just so hard sometimes.

[coral ibex]

there's not much to know beyond what the stats do

[subtle tundra]

i dont get it even if its looted

😉

[coral ibex]

stat weights are fake, assa likes all stats

sim your gear and equip the best stuff

[quiet oar]

Unluigi

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[zealous tundra]

but it is haste >= crit for sin right?

[balmy condor]

read the command

[drifting lance]

gonna be sad when fatebound is better than deathstalker I like clear the witnesses

[opaque sigil]

Not gonna happen

[iron carbon]

Stats strenght changes depending encounters talents and current stuff. Just sim it bro

[drifting lance]

im already mad at the thought of waiting 10 seconds in a mythic + pull and it drops

its gonna happen

[zealous tundra]

i got it that simming is always better, which I do and practically to me it doesn't make much sense as you need to have pro version to sim like everything you have, nope? Otherwise up until max ivl it's just the better the higher or if they are the same IVL you just sim which give you more?

[azure osprey]

hi, should i craft anything beside the embellishments? i've got one spark

[opaque sigil]

Buy enchants, craft 636 weapon

[drifting lance]

i mean if you really wanan know just look up his character, but hes basically just got the stats the bot says, give or take for his own trinkets probably, which you dont have i assume.

dont think you need ap ro version to sim it, though its faster/easier with it.

[zealous tundra]

i just don't seem to understand when using addons like pawn, when it throws this at me

[drifting lance]

pawn bad

[zealous tundra]

pawn bad? got it

[royal lantern]

pawn is unusable for like

9years now

[drifting lance]

pawn doesnt look at anything apart from the stats with a very general stat weight profile

i also dont even know if its still updated lol

[upper elm]

Pawn bad

[sharp viper]

enchant and socket your gear

holy moly

[royal lantern]

not me with a 619 ring with no sockets :3

[zealous tundra]

enchanted what I could, as for socketing I prefer waiting until I at least get items with sockets, as well as they need no upgrade ( max ivl)

[azure osprey]

you can buy 2x sockets for each ring

[drifting lance]

huh

[zealous tundra]

also waiting to twink out the jeweler for those very gems

[drifting lance]

so ur waiting forever

[zealous tundra]

they are expensive as sheesh

me poor 😦

[opaque sigil]

You can buy really cheap ring, legs enchants

You don’t need lvl3 enchants, lvl2 will do just fine

[cunning needle]

go mine some ore

[royal lantern]

eh, its 9k a socket, and you will use it 2x maximum each tier

like

[cunning needle]

2x3

[royal lantern]

you put it once on hc gear, and once on mythic gear, thats it

[zealous tundra]

but I have l2 enchants for most items

[sharp viper]

this gives me an idea

I'm surprised whispyr hasn't added "pawn" to the auto ban on this discord

[royal lantern]

r2 enchants are allright, difference is small

[zealous tundra]

xD

[runic hinge]

yeah just ban anyone who says pawn

[royal lantern]

even chess players?

[zealous tundra]

but that should concern olders only?

and yeah, what about chess players

[runic hinge]

BANNED

[cinder bone]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

finally

[zealous tundra]

i also belive the dmg output is low due to me holding on to cds on packs, just using king's and death mark are okay on packs?

[runic hinge]

send cds on cd

[frozen orbit]

I see many people are playing with everforged stabber rather than 2x Dawnthread lining. Is the dagger more worth than the 2x Dwanthread because I'm about to craft my first 636 item. I have 2x 619 dagers from the raid

[heavy canopy]

just make sure they're up for bosses

[runic hinge]

mainhand dagger is most important for dps

[runic hinge]

if theyre not up for the start of a boss they will be for the end, if not boss died in less than 2 mins and you didn't need cds

[royal lantern]

or you did a key with quake

[heavy canopy]

i guess it's most important if you lust on pull, for example

[quiet oar]

would be based

[next dust]

It sucks xd

[runic hinge]

if you've planned lust for a certain boss then yeah id save cds

[heavy canopy]

also, depending on route, you might wanna save cds for big pulls

[runic hinge]

this person we're reffering to i don't think is planning a route

They weren't using cds on trash at all

so

[heavy canopy]

yeah, use cds when your tank pulls a big pack

[zealous tundra]

makes sense, yeah

[heavy canopy]

hopefully they'll do big pull, small pull, boss, repeat

[zealous tundra]

yeah I was into palace all expansion, hadn't had the chance to learn routes and etc

[coral ibex]

dm and kb cause spatter damage, use them on prio targets in packs

[abstract parrot]

so, i been watching kush from echo stream and he was saying how haste isnt actually needed on assa rogue. ST and Aoe

how tru is this?

[worldly sail]

true in the sense that theres no haste cap

its not a bad stat especially in ST though

[limber dew]

is there anyway when simming to show results, so that i can see how the iterations vary when changing stats? like this:

[balmy condor]

you don't need to have pro anything to sim everything you have

you can legit just sim like 3 items at a time

and it's better than asking anyone what their stats are

or pawn

or any of that dogshit

[manic cave]

I Play without spatter and bleed spec (no kingsbane/poisonbomb) cause I play it good. Should I try the recommended spec?

[limber dew]

kingsbane is HUGE

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[balmy condor]

can hit the full HTML I guess but idk what you mean by "vary when changing stats"

[subtle tundra]

i swear thats not my alt

[quiet oar]

WEll Kingsbane was huge

[subtle tundra]

i swear

[balmy condor]

this is bait right

[manic cave]

no it’s true

[balmy condor]

[quiet oar]

No way

[manic cave]

I Play mainly m+ in pve

[quiet oar]

Bro plays that

[sacred schooner]

bro is cooking

[balmy condor]

you play MAINLY M+

no spatter

I'm gonna lose it

[subtle tundra]

yea kb and caustic are legit the biggest and most important talents

[balmy condor]

why write guides

[limber dew]

@balmy condor for example, when you sim it runs thousands of iterations, or 10s or 100s of thousands to give you an average. However the varied results can be rather huge, like peaks and trouths depending on stats. sometimes I find having a lower avg dps, but a more sustained dps beneficial to parse high, ill never hit a 99.9 but can sustain 99-99.4s every time

[manic cave]

i do 1.75m though

usually

[subtle tundra]

great you could do 2mil then

[sacred schooner]

@balmy condor haha imagine you spending 1.5 hours in video explaining how to do better and person say you dont need that shit 😄

[normal mist]

Does any of this matter if you die mid fight?

[manic cave]

hmmm is it that much better I have to test it

[heavy canopy]

how big of a problem are local maximas actually when simming?

[subtle tundra]

you dont have to test shit mate

its much better

[balmy condor]

you realize stats don't change that right

[limber dew]

@normal mist why wouldnt it matter? you have to do both right? survive and perform well

[manic cave]

the bleed spec falls of in 11 and higher

[normal mist]

I mean, I haven't given a shit about stats for 2 expansions already and doing fine

[manic cave]

2 weeks ago I was top dmg in every key. But now some rets and fdks beat me

[limber dew]

@balmy condor how so?

[balmy condor]

wdym "how so"

that's just like

how math works

why do you think adding haste or vers or whatever

[bronze pike]

ilvl> stats

[normal mist]

Define top dmg

[balmy condor]

is gonna change the minimums and maximums

[subtle tundra]

ill have you know, if you look at top logs and analyze their play
you will see how shit they play
top example is tea usage
that matters more than you optimizing 2k dps from stats

[normal mist]

As in average overall

[limber dew]

the stat changes will always have a different outcome of results, that is what math does

[bronze pike]

ya that shouldnt happen

[desert cove]

this reminds me of that one time a guy was saying you couldn't do preschool math

or w/e it was

[bronze pike]

ret strong, but not strong enough to beat sin

[balmy condor]

[desert cove]

that was a peak assassination channel arc

[limber dew]

crit heavy builds will tend to have more iterations with higher peaks and more with lower troths due to RNG

[bronze pike]

so stop using a "bleed build"

[limber dew]

mastery heavy will have lower peaks and fewer trouths

[balmy condor]

my brain is rotting

[limber dew]

for consistancy but the avgs will change.,

[bronze pike]

your thinking waaaaaay to deeply about stats

[manic cave]

hmmm

[limber dew]

surely?

[bronze pike]

the variance is just

[subtle tundra]

yea bud assa is very op in m+ so you can play like dogshit and have -15% dps talents and top dps

[bronze pike]

small

just keep simming your upgrades dont give to much of a thought about secondary stats

[manic cave]

well if you play like dogshit u usually die and deplete keys to be fair. I understand that the KB splatter dmg should scale better in higher keys

[bronze pike]

i cnat help but think about that guy that came here syaing he needs more verse for high keys and then he showed us that he didnt run elusive

[desert cove]

speaking of elusive

I'm so hyped for feint to be off the gcd

easily the best change

[cobalt sphinx]

If you have more crit you have a better chance at highrolling 100% crit throughout a whole encounter

[bronze pike]

[desert cove]

like if outlaw didn't make me want to kms in raid I would 100% macro feint to BtE and just have permanent feint uptime

or just have it on a mouse thumb button

[bronze pike]

again, not runnig splatter in keys is like

no

thats like one of your most impactful key talents and not running it is silly af

[subtle tundra]

well if you want to play no spatter no kb all the power to you, but pls dont go around telling people to do it or that its good

[bronze pike]

dont say that in outlaw chat

they'll whine about how feint 100% uptime is somehow not a benefit

[desert cove]

lmao

[zealous tundra]

simming is better on patchwerk or slice?

[bronze pike]

luckily he didnt, hs just asking if he should play the reconmended builds

[desert cove]

I love outlaw, it's easily my favorite way to play the game, but I do mythic raiding focused on CE, so playing outlaw is just giga troll

[normal mist]

St or m+?

[bronze pike]

\the answer is yes

[balmy condor]

I just simmed my char baseline, with 5k more mast, and with 5k more crit. The dps range of my char is 13.1%, mastery is 12.8%, and crit is 12.7%

so adding 5k crit

[subtle tundra]

yea just making sure he wont spread misinformation

[balmy condor]

made my dps more consistent

[desert cove]

[limber dew]

how do you see the consistency?

[bronze pike]

playing a 100% uptime spec sustain usually is

[desert cove]

it

[bronze pike]

[desert cove]

is a range

[bronze pike]

and yet

[balmy condor]

it reports it

[limber dew]

this is what i am trying to gain site of]

ah ❤️

[bronze pike]

outlaw players dont want a burst button that isnt attached to restless blades

cause "the flow"

[desert cove]

I want a burst button that doesn't kill me

[limber dew]

thank you, this is what i was looking for and why i linked the chart so i could see the "range" i called it variance

[balmy condor]

what fucking graph is that

this better not be some cancer shit

[limber dew]

its a simulation from classic cata

[manic cave]

is the echoing changes a buff in 11.0.5?

[balmy condor]

yuck

[balmy condor]

no

[limber dew]

its the only visual reference i had to what i was trying to explain 😄

shows out of the simulations the results and where the avg is etc

[manic cave]

I don’t Play it right now since I prefer subterfuge 😂

[white kindle]

Are the upcomming changes any good? Getting super comfy with the Specc and the List of changes is soo long

[limber dew]

the changes are super good

[desert cove]

nothing really changes for us outside of a good amount of QoL

[limber dew]

no more need for SND and Fient off GCD is great 😄

[quiet oar]

Or ignore crit and just crit anyways

[quiet oar]

I mean just remember

its 50/50 if you crit

you crit or you dont

[manic cave]

Assa is in a bad spot for future balancing I feel

[white kindle]

Okay thank you all 🙌

[limber dew]

any idea why my sims dont use different gems for the 181 main stat increase and recommends stacking only 1 type?

[balmy condor]

did you turn on the setting to use different gems

[bronze pike]

who knows tbh

people to afraid of balancing

[desert cove]

how so? sin is in a great state

[normal mist]

No problem

[bronze pike]

when spec balancing has been on the ball since df

[limber dew]

probably not

[desert cove]

I try not to care too much about how blizzard balances the game

[balmy condor]

???????

under the agi gem mate

what are you screenshotting

[pearl flower]

Would appreciate if someone can tell me what should I have done better https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kyqHNf67Tpmtg39B#fight=1&type=damage-done

[bronze pike]

brb gotta gaslight someone in the ret discord

[limber dew]

that is the only gem thing i can see lol

[desert cove]

let's not forget that outlaw got a nerf in the prepatch when it was already massiveliy underperforming

[balmy condor]

scroll your mousewheel down

[desert cove]

good luck soldier

[quiet oar]

@spice spire

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/utena-bestie-same-same-bestie-gif-13652722508022953825

[runic hinge]

It’s not gaslighting if you think they’re stupid and you don’t respect them it’s just lying

[limber dew]

@balmy condor lol found it 😄

what a pleb

[balmy condor]

eliavna log

[bronze pike]

ya thats more accurate

[manic cave]

Yes but I am pvper - where the road blizz is going (SnD) Echoing, twist the knife. is not really impactful.
It requires 100% uptime and envenom spam. But this is how blizzard wants assa to be

[subtle tundra]

[limber dew]

@balmy condor not played retail in 2 expansions, not as familiar with the tools, so thank you for that.

[balmy condor]

np

[desert cove]

Whispyr (my goat) is one of the rogue community's best theorycrafters

[runic hinge]

So you’re using the full PvP talents in m+

[desert cove]

so he knows all of the tools

[manic cave]

More or less. I swap the wound poison stacks for feint/Vial

Add tricks and that’s it

[runic hinge]

It’s good in low keys where things won’t live a kingsbane and bosses don’t take long but it won’t scale well

[subtle tundra]

this is how i know assa is overtuned

[manic cave]

probably I would be able to push 13s if I play the correct build

[bronze pike]

ive returned

[desert cove]

how did it go soldier

[runic hinge]

It’s basically bleed build but it’s missing kb

[bronze pike]

victory

[subtle tundra]

13s require a lot more than just dps

a lot of coordonation and good defensive usage

its hard

[manic cave]

yeah cause I play spike. I gonna have to test it. In 12/13 keys my ST feels to low

[subtle tundra]

way harder than 10s

[manic cave]

Yea sure it’s harder and more teamplay etc

I’ll gonna practice the „correct“ build

[bronze pike]

gl

[manic cave]

scaling of my current one falls of that’s what I notice a lot

Comparing 615 to 625 gear

and 8-10 to 11/12 keys

[thin plinth]

hello guys, is that the best current build for m+ ?

[static glacier]

Looks like it

[midnight atlas]

is assa dead? i saw the nerfs

[thin plinth]

what nerfs?

[frosty bridge]

[desert cove]

very deadge

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[midnight atlas]

jk, wanted to trigger ppl. no nerfs

[lone parrot]

holy heck, they removed envenom

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198369248737767424.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[royal lantern]

sir, you went into sublety

[sinful wraith]

I watched whispyr's videos on the 11.0.5 changes but I'm confused about one thing, maybe someone can help me out: Where does it say the ER minigame is removed? It reads to me that shiv does what ER did before and the supercharged CPs only add 2-3 CP's value instead of giving you a flat 7 CP value on your finisher.

[burnt juniper]

can confirm, we spend half our time talking about sin in the sub channel

[normal mist]

Check Wowhead latest patch notes

These changes have been known for like a month

But we now have the confirmation

[desert cove]

minigame is gone in that you don't have to try to land on a specific CP to get the benefit

i.e if you shiv then finish on 4CP it will equal 7, 5 for 8, 6 for 9, 7 for 10

[ebon steppe]

Is ptr available now？

[sinful wraith]

I've read those and what you're explaining is what I understand from Whispyr's video but to me it doesn't match what's written in the patch notes, but I guess that's just my lack of reading comprehension in this case, idk. "Shiv/Roll the Bones/Symbols of Death supercharges [1/2] combo points. " It's the same wording as for ER right now just instead of supercharge it says animacharge

[desert cove]

okay let me explain it this way then

if you shiv and finish with 1CP

it counts as 4CP

can echoing reprimand ever charge the first combo point?

no it can't

[dark crag]

You need to consume the charged cp but not land on it directly

[desert cove]

the wording just sucks

think of it like it supercharges your whole bar

[oak tangle]

the minigame would exist insofar as you have to get or exceed the charged cp?

or is it if you have 2 pointsi nthe talent, you get +4 cp to whatever you finish at next

[dark crag]

New minigame is counting current cps+extra cps if its enough for 7 because of dn

[desert cove]

no it's a 2 point talent in that first point supercharges 1cp worth, the second point supercharges 2

[sinful wraith]

If I know understood it correctly, there is no dedicated charged CP anymore. you get like 2 stacks of "you next finisher has 2 more CP value"

[desert cove]

and then there is a choice node below it that makes it supercharge 3 CP

[balmy condor]

yes

[desert cove]

whispyr from the top rope

my goat

[balmy condor]

"supercharge" is the term for that

[oak tangle]

so its 2 finishers, not double to bonus for 1 finisher, with 2 points

[balmy condor]

my brain lagged reading that

pressing shiv supercharges 1 point

supercharging 1 point is "the next 1 finisher"

[sinful wraith]

I figured they just changed the wording to get the distance from shadowland covenants as they do with the icons in that patch

[balmy condor]

supercharging adds extra combo points

so with forced induction

you supercharge 2 finishers for +3 cp

so you press shiv

finisher -> 3 extra cp

finisher again -> 3 extra cp

supercharge gone

[oak tangle]

yah, makes sense, i was reading as if,
you shiv
finisher -> extra 6cp

[royal python]

anyone facing repeated game crashes recently ?

[desert cove]

13 CP envenom

[subtle tundra]

whats the duration for a 10 cp rupture?

[cunning needle]

can you cleave with caustic on the adds from the boss on broodtwister?

[worldly sail]

send 13 cp darkest night envenom into silken court damage boost

[balmy condor]

rupture is 4 base + 4 seconds for each cp

so I guess 44 second

[subtle tundra]

• pandemic

uhhhhhhh

[balmy condor]

57

[acoustic delta]

is it bag or smth, when I land on 2-3 CP my finisher, it's not spending dethmark stack on target, so supercharg is not staking with deathstlsker, and I always need to use my finisher on 5 and up

[worldly sail]

having caustic on boss? yes thats whats done

[loud hearth]

If adds are near boss yes, and if you can do any damage before Warr/DK/DH blow them up

[subtle tundra]

KINGS OF DOWNTIME

WE CAN GO DO MECHANICS FOR A MINUTE

LOSE 0 DPS

[tropic tundra]

[royal lantern]

57 sec Rupture

thats like, 8k dmg

[balmy condor]

I think varas has fully lost it

[royal lantern]

[tropic tundra]

Understandable

[cunning needle]

so what youre saying is, i don tneed to swap off boss?

[subtle tundra]

well in shadowlands i thought 7 cp finishers were aburd

then 7 cp max became a normal thing

now we have 10 cp

[desert cove]

mfw my raid lead makes me put a marker on a worm in brood and I have to get first kick

[worldly sail]

well, i never switched off at least i put a few ruptures on spiders when they spawned rarely

[desert cove]

[granite sentinel]

!whispyr

[cunning needle]

wait fuck not broodtwister

i meant bloodbound horror

brain is melt

[worldly sail]

[cunning needle]

too much blood

[uneven summit]

everyone playing alchemical for m+ ? flask

[worldly sail]

ok no caustic doesn't hit from boss i think

[cunning needle]

fuck

okay