assassination

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

doubt i see that light for a while

tonight is first night of worm

-1.5hrs to weakauras prob

[spice surge]

Ye weakauras are great

Love it

Court is also somewhat reliant on weakauras, very fun

(im being facetious, i do not love it)

[novel star]

surely the liquid auras are easier to set up than ns

[cunning needle]

assuming youre using reloe

also you guys should get the octopals WA checker

because the amount of ppl that go "i have the latest version"

and proceed tonot have the latest version

is higher than 1

[spice surge]

Kyveza is just cool, flashy mechanics, fun gameplay and you need to use defensives fairly well (even after the nerfs)

MRT has a WA checker as well

[cunning needle]

orly?

will need to check for that later

[unborn wharf]

for mythic ovi do u guys send CT more than once for target cap or just wait for grips and stuff and send it once

[dawn heath]

dude

ninja pulling with tricks is so nice

[balmy condor]

send once, the grips should be instant

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iTSR80LbXbrF3Fnri?invite=cr-MSxPbUYsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

very nice

[tawdry halo]

tricks good

confirmed

[royal python]

Is there a bug that gives combo points even if bone spike not being run - like after being untalented or something. It's happened so consistently

[onyx linden]

never tried it does evasion work on sikran big aoe?

[rotund marsh]

hows the ritual knife trinket?

[slate crown]

Getting parried?

[royal python]

What you mean

[slate crown]

If your rupture is parried

you refund combo points

like any other finisher

[royal python]

Literally I go ambush garotte, rupture, next thing I see is 1-3 combo points available

I play fatebound

Without spike

[tranquil pilot]

Had a bug happening today on silken court hc where takazj disappeared at around 20% and not a single mechanic happened. Just anub standing there doing melee until death from 20% downwards xD

[slate crown]

That's a known exploit

[tranquil pilot]

Oh rly? Damn

[cunning needle]

happened to us on heroic as well

[royal python]

No it's definitely not parried, but I'll still recheck , happens on trash in open world too

[cunning needle]

but we didnt get loot

[slate crown]

no idea then

[karmic fog]

is it true if i craft 636 main hand and then recraft it again at 363 then relog i will upgrade offhand to 626 for free? 0 crest needed

[devout lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[devout lantern]

guys its any aura for the tier?

or doesnt matter?

[royal python]

Ok but you might be suggesting correctly I don't see the rupture in timeline cast in opener, I just see coin flip

[slate crown]

Are you asking if there are any WAs to track the tier set?

[devout lantern]

yeah if its needed to be tracked

[slate crown]

No

[devout lantern]

or just faceroll

[slate crown]

No reason to track it

[devout lantern]

somethin abou spatter

[errant swallow]

I just lost heroic ring to a druid

F

[woven shore]

@balmy condor

this is up to date

did you fight him like this

my guild is on mythic ovi now

[balmy condor]

that looks like ovinax

[woven shore]

roger sir

[balmy condor]

yeh

I take numbing over atrophic and ttb over blindside

just personally

[glass socket]

how long has this "flensing knife" bug been around? just noticed it on logs

[balmy condor]

but that build is good

[woven shore]

rupture spiders and ct everything else

[balmy condor]

july

[balmy condor]

no

[woven shore]

can you show me where that is sir

[balmy condor]

just hit boss

[woven shore]

id appreciate

[balmy condor]

it's nowhere I'm telling you the changes I made

[woven shore]

xd

[royal python]

Next week master assassin 6 seconds?? @25% right

[woven shore]

ah okay the atk speed poison

smart

[balmy condor]

yes

[woven shore]

i will do it

sounds like helping out raid

with worms

[balmy condor]

just not worth rupturing things

tbh

[woven shore]

oh okay

playing double dk

[glass socket]

yeah those adds won't typically last that long, funneling globals on boss and letting caustic spatter take over is probably better

[woven shore]

whats ttb sir

have on german

D:

[upper wraith]

everytime we fail a key in pugs its our fault boys. always blame the rogue

[woven shore]

i made the rogues proud

[thorn thorn]

Blue Bar

[glass socket]

tiny toxic blade

[woven shore]

tx!!!!

[shy pendant]

does anyone actually use ovinax egg?

[balmy condor]

only double

CASUALS

[woven shore]

XDDDDDDDDDD

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

XDDDDD

and tank dk

so 3 grips

[woven shore]

wtf

[thorn thorn]

3 tanks based asf

[balmy condor]

3 tank 4 heal

we're the only guild beating the egg break with 3/4/x

[crystal vault]

fake news

[thorn thorn]

What made you decide to 3 tank it

[woven shore]

ttb for more st ?

[balmy condor]

add control/spider consistency

[balmy condor]

for more spider dam

[thorn thorn]

Amazing

[woven shore]

i switch to st on spiders?

vanish mark on spider

and then dn back on boss

?

[past panther]

we running crimson tempest on silken court?

or just spatter?

[woven shore]

i think it was just spatter

check wowhead

maybe im wrong

[past panther]

wowhead says aoe

[west crown]

Spatter

[past panther]

ill give spatter a shot

the wowhead build is or hybrid m+ build for silken

[woven shore]

looks like ct too

maybe only on mythic

[west crown]

Didn’t use to be. I’d follow the guide if it changed to hybrid

[fading walrus]

https://gyazo.com/739b203b830f3fc117ab91760e059410 hey there im running this in keys, is there a number where i should stop stacking mastery i saw some people running vers after 50%.
also side question im running the crit meta prismatic gem but only stacking master / crit gems thoughts on this ?

[west crown]

!stats

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[nova fractal]

Halp me be not dumb pls

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova fractal]

in raid build we dont have improved garrote so when do i use vanish or is it just for if i drop DS mark?

[royal python]

Hey, so I ruptured for 5+ cp, but refund only for 1-3, is that how it works

[west crown]

If you don’t run Imp Garr then yes, to get back mark

[dawn heath]

bet u got a bunch of loot after this kill

[nova fractal]

cool i thought so but i was like "am i being dumb am i not thinking critically?"

appreciate it ares

[woven shore]

pppppsh

i died on kill pull

on the other pulls

i never died

like 30 pulls

[dawn heath]

it be like that though

whoever dies first and is on the floor usually gets loot

atleast if its group loot

[fading walrus]

so basically if i have a stable set of items im using, its kinda weird simming gems, is 59 mastery considered an over kill ?

[woven shore]

im on trial

i got shit

[oak eagle]

i hate

[vocal cradle]

what advantage does assa bring over the other rogue specs for mythic prog? cuz i sever a uptic in assa as the bosses go up lol

[woven shore]

xD

[oak eagle]

ovinax

bro parries me so much

[dawn heath]

well ye im talking pugs

[oak eagle]

when im the side of him

this boss fuckign sucks

[dawn heath]

imagine beeeing parried by a slug

how do u miss a big fat slug

[oak eagle]

how tf can he even parry me

HE DOESNT HAVE ARMS

[vast loom]

does cheat death work on kyzeva mythic?

[slate crown]

Yes. The combo points it returns are per bone spike it sends out.

[runic hinge]

With her teeth

[hallow pelican]

Question unrelated to Rogues, but is that Severed Strands buff account wide or character specific?

[runic hinge]

Account

[hallow pelican]

sweet. that currency is transferrable and they buffed the drop. I got my weekly 8 on the first 5 bosses of LFR

[runic hinge]

You can even get the items on your alts and send to your main if trying to get the huff before you raid

[hallow pelican]

jinx

[safe barn]

quick question

what stuff do we share with other rogues

[coral ibex]

quick answer

[safe barn]

like, having 2 sins in a boss

[coral ibex]

no

[dawn heath]

so like

do u guys ever refuse to press more than one defensive cause actually u should get one heal

[novel star]

But why is singular focus so good on like a 2 minute wipe man

[dawn heath]

i dont wanna over commit defensives

[novel star]

this boss is so shit

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iTTVVZvhkyH3pDX_I?invite=cr-MSxBVVUsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA this moment

felt like healer was actually just afk

i was looking at my hp just refusing to press more defensives, feint & crimson vial should be enough

actually 1heal

[timber coyote]

hey all, if i share a link to my character, can someone please help me out with advice on what to craft?

[coral ibex]

!crafting

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[coral ibex]

follow the above

[west crown]

Nope that’s you for not cloaking/evasion

[dawn heath]

the thing is the next pack is super dangerous

and i dont wanna cloak this when there is nothing to heal here

he actually must have fumbled his rotation super hard

[cunning needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/byDLbNQQZ6fQHmqjyuo81F

decided to sim what ascension would do for me vs current embelishments of lens and it's a whopping 0.3% or 4k dps increase

[dawn heath]

everyone is full hp

[cunning needle]

bis embelishment btw

[coral ibex]

heal pot??

[west crown]

Yeah I’m kidding. That looks like healers fault

[dawn heath]

no i am not gonna use more cds than i need

this is crazy

he actually did not heal at all

[west crown]

But also none of those next pacts need cloak

[dawn heath]

they do

[coral ibex]

i mean that is what a heal pot is for

[west crown]

Just don’t get hit

[dawn heath]

this pull here i want cloak for

[cunning needle]

what do you need to cloak there for

that feint isnt enough?

that mob doesnt put a dot right?

[dawn heath]

clearly this guy is not healing so

it does

and aoe's

[cunning needle]

oh nvm then

ecks dee

i thought that one was just the pulsing aoe

[west crown]

Oh yeah you need cloak there

[sullen mural]

I mean embelishments just suck ass this expa

[west crown]

But 2 mins is plenty of time to get it back before then

[dawn heath]

its not

[west crown]

And it’s not the direct next pack

[dawn heath]

we are flying there directly after mob dies

in 10+ seconds

thats why i said

i refuse to pres defensives

this should be enough

and it really should be

i feinted before the the first tick

[sullen mural]

but wait u have 50% count

u didnt do the house pack yet no?

[weak bane]

the route must be altered if they press their health pot dont you know

[timber coyote]

thanks. So i already made one dagger with Ascention. My focus is more for M+, so should i have that embelshment removed and go for the dawnthreads instead (when i can make the 2 pieces)?

[west crown]

Exactly what I’m thinking. Unless their route is clearing more on courtyard

[dawn heath]

we are

clearing outside

[west crown]

Most clear front and back/side entrance

[dawn heath]

normally waht we play

then fly over

to play that pack

[cunning needle]

sure go dawnthread but honestly it doesnt make much of a difference

[west crown]

Yeah ok never done that route. But still, healer fault

And evasion isn’t saving you anyway

[dawn heath]

im not gonna evasion the last tick

[sullen mural]

I mean its 20% dr

[dawn heath]

idk i rather just die there and flame the healer lowkey

[sullen mural]

might have helped

[dawn heath]

healer is under no pressure

[weak bane]

you are absolutely certain you need that health pot after that then

[lucid rain]

just asking for myself, how bad are those two packs? not worth pulling?

[cunning needle]

i dunno man

[weak bane]

like 100% its preplanned where you need that

[cunning needle]

that dot trucks really hard

[errant mauve]

Hmm what am I doing where envenom is highest dmg in a key followed by splatter or CT those 2 flip flop

[cunning needle]

single target healing is where most healers really struggle with

[errant mauve]

Envenom shouldn’t be topping so I’m fucked up

[sullen mural]

I mean yes the dot trucks but 10 seconds of 20% dr adds up

might have given the afk healer a little time to save you

obv healers fault just saying

[dawn heath]

i used feint and crimson vial on the previous sets as well

i lived just fine then

kinda weird

[cunning needle]

could have just been a shit happens, healer didnt have a proc or something

[weak bane]

yeah but did you preplan where you are health potting or what

[sullen mural]

how do u only have 6m hp with shaman health buff

[weak bane]

why not use that

[sullen mural]

kinda crazy

are u that shit geared or

[dawn heath]

i am

628

i did

not have the

[sullen mural]

Nvm i had priest buff on me

[dawn heath]

bonus hp from teh shaman

[sullen mural]

i only have 6m either

i said nothing

dw

[dawn heath]

he needs to directly heal me

for me to have the buff

[errant mauve]

How much verse/avoidance would you guys say is needed for 11+ keys. Skardyn in ST raped me with his aoe stomp. I wasn’t logging so it either ate me through feint or I mistimed it

[dawn heath]

+11 keys u dont need any vers

[sullen mural]

No

no they dont

[dawn heath]

well why dont i have the buff then

[sullen mural]

Its healing rain that gives the buff

cuz he didnt press

downpour

[slim pebble]

I did it on an 11 this week and lived pretty comfortably with feint

[dawn heath]

i don't know its kinda hard to say

the healer is important

i struggled to live a dawnbreaker 10 just now

the shaman had only healed a +6 before

i'm not used to play a class that relies on getting healed to survive

[errant mauve]

So I mistimed my front then

[slim pebble]

It sounds like he’s getting 1 shot which shouldn’t be happening lol

[dawn heath]

dont think there is anything that oneshots u at 11 that is avoidable

[sullen mural]

esp not with feint if its aoe

feint is op af if aoe

[cunning needle]

welcome to rogue

[slim pebble]

Just get a dungeon WA pack and you’ll get a timer for upcoming AoE

[cunning needle]

enjoy your stay or something

[dawn heath]

i dont like needing to rely on teh healer

i play havoc normally

[cunning needle]

FDK it is then

🙃

[sullen mural]

go dk then

[dawn heath]

i dont need heals to live

but i wil get oneshot anyway to some random shit

[cunning needle]

FDK don't need a tank to live either

[dawn heath]

but atleast i dont rot

nothing more frustrating than dying slowly like that

i was tilted for the rest of the duengon

[sullen mural]

Just go outlaw for more feints

trust

[cunning needle]

outlaw for the perma feint uptime

perma sprint

perma feint

????

how to die as outlaw

[sullen mural]

perma depression

[cunning needle]

you have a passive 20% DR

[sullen mural]

cuz no ace reset

[cunning needle]

oh true

forgot the self cast between the eyes

[dawn heath]

how to brick +14 key

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iTHjyXrdJj8qPn0w3?invite=cr-MSxGdUcsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

DK am's randomly and he doesnt get the visual from the ORB

when he gets targeted

[cunning needle]

dawnbreaker and it being bugged?

say it ain't so

[raven egret]

starting Ovi'nax prog now, gonna put stonks in CT

[dawn heath]

that was so tilting

timer was good

really good

0 deaths

[sullen mural]

dawnbreaker would never be bugged guys

https://streamable.com/6jbadu

[dawn heath]

yep

great game

[cunning needle]

oh you know what's the best part about dawnbreaker

is being clipped inside the main boat

there's no way to get out if you get clipped inside there

🙂

except hearth

[dawn heath]

i love the bug when you walk onto the ship and u just fall through it after doing first pack

[sullen mural]

No i know a way

it happend to me week 1

my grp pulled last boss and wiped soi can play the game again

[dawn heath]

also i had it happend once

[cunning needle]

ecks dee

[dawn heath]

u know the ship after first pull

[bleak spoke]

i think if you get a mob dragged on top of where you are you can step there

[dawn heath]

i had my group walk onto the ship, but for me the ship wasnt there

[bleak spoke]

but literally you're the only person who can get out

[dawn heath]

so when i tried to walk onto it

i just fell through

[bleak spoke]

[cunning needle]

i'll remmber this

for next time

thanks

[bleak spoke]

cuz it happened to me

[cunning needle]

[bleak spoke]

[sullen mural]

I tried to step teammates and it didnt work

so uh

[dawn heath]

shadowstepping on last boss in dawn is really nice

[bleak spoke]

i mean i know i got out the time it happened to me

[dawn heath]

drop shit outside step on tank

[bleak spoke]

regardless you should be able to die to the pulsing dmg on last boss or the pop on the first boss

[sullen mural]

Buff rupture so dawnbreaker boss dies while flying to the 2nd point

thy

[bleak spoke]

i like to follow the boss when he flies and watch my dots tick

[sullen mural]

imagine being a boomkin

travelform>sunfire moonfire maybe a starsurge> travelform

goated

[cunning needle]

the ultimate 1k dps increase tech

[bleak spoke]

[sullen mural]

the things I'd do to do 1k more dps

you don even know

[dawn heath]

same

i was very happy today to know about the flensing knives tech

my ST was struggling in keys

[sullen mural]

the what

[past panther]

embellishes are kinda close together in dps so if money is tight i wouldn’t stress to hard

[dawn heath]

taking this for dps gain

[magic ginkgo]

How much value do you get for holding kings bane for eggs pops on M broodtwister? Is it worth?

its only a few seconds but could see it staggering death mark later

[quartz spear]

Sorry for prob a common question, but what's the rec embellishment for Assa M+ nowadays?

[cunning needle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[quartz spear]

I'm seeing a lot of people running diff stuff, and also differs from the 2x focus lense

[dawn heath]

dawnthread

if u keyge

[quartz spear]

And dawnthread is only on armor yea?

Not weapon?

[dawn heath]

i suggest these 2 slots bracers and boots

leaving you open to buy the boe myth track belt

[sullen mural]

champion track ring

[dawn heath]

the biggest L is using sacbrood

i want my crystal

[raven egret]

I mean we are gated by gilded crest so hard, a champion ring is just as good as a heroic one for while

[quartz spear]

Empowering Crystal is better than Sac?

[sullen mural]

sac crystal deadeye ritual knife are all kinda the same

[silk bane]

sim it

[sullen mural]

legit just depends on what your sim says

they are all so close to eachother

[quartz spear]

My sim says sac + spyglass are bis even over crystal/blade

[rotund marsh]

how is vers for us?

[dawn heath]

i have this in my bag

i just havent bothered to enchant it cause

[quartz spear]

Dungeon Slice is still best for M+?

[dawn heath]

it will be 619

XD

[silk bane]

dslice is a good choice sure

[raven egret]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[dawn heath]

holy

offhand dps is so bad for us xd

wtf

didnt think it would be this bad

[spice spire]

It’s almost like

It’s a common statement said

[dawn heath]

i wasted 15 crests damn

sent one upgrade on my oh dagger

ajajaj

this ratio is something

may as well wear a white dagger

[sullen mural]

I dont wanna delve ;c

[viscid spear]

We just can't get to the first phase transition consistently on Queen.

[dawn heath]

same

[heady bluff]

Subterfuge now also grants duration to combat bonuses that require Stealth and also have a duration that persists after breaking Stealth, including:
Improved Garrote (Assassination)
Indiscriminate Carnage (Assassination)
Master Assassin (Assassination)
Take 'em by Surprise (Outlaw)

[dawn heath]

im wondering if empowering crystal is undersimming

[heady bluff]

can some1 break this down in lame terms

[dawn heath]

cause it has insane uptime

i dont see how it wouldnt be better

[sullen mural]

its like 50%

[uneven plume]

@balmy condor did you tinker with ptr for next week?

[balmy condor]

improved garrote is 6 seconds, with 1 point subt it's 9, with 2 point subt it's 12

[balmy condor]

a little

[uneven plume]

how can we take twist in m+

without giving up something big

[balmy condor]

great question

[uneven plume]

you think ittl sim better than DTP?

DTB*

[balmy condor]

fuck no lmao

we just don't take it

[ripe umbra]

Hi guys, my RL told me i can skip the blades for the group if i am first, tryed to vanish but did not work, does anyone know this tech

[spice spire]

Just run 8 normals

[dawn heath]

i havent read any changes

[spice spire]

They’re infinitely easier

[sullen mural]

TTK looking good in st or

[dawn heath]

anything worthwhile in the patch

[sullen mural]

feint of gcd

[spice spire]

Let the man raid

[sullen mural]

HE CAME IN HERE ON HIS OWN

[dawn heath]

that is pog

any nerfs?

[sullen mural]

iron wire nerfed

[dawn heath]

surely assa will be nerfed

[sullen mural]

only 5 sec silence and 5 sec dr

[dawn heath]

actually?

[sullen mural]

still op

[dawn heath]

-1s?

[sullen mural]

-1 and -3

read your damn talents man

[dawn heath]

well the damage comkponent is a

that barely matters

[balmy condor]

yeh it's okay

[sullen mural]

?? the dmg component is huge

trust me

[dawn heath]

the silence is the goat

[sullen mural]

It matters

[dawn heath]

not if u play with prot warrior

they are unkillable

[desert vault]

oh rasha mythic, if you cloak the big webs what does it do? does it drop the debuff altogether?

[balmy condor]

first what on what boss

[sullen mural]

The blades duh

[balmy condor]

you still get the link after but it drops and immunes you to damage

[heady bluff]

damn thats insane ??

[balmy condor]

it is not

[heady bluff]

how so?

[ripe umbra]

Sikran, the blades

[sullen mural]

yeah its ait

[balmy condor]

you can't skip it, it'll charge you

[dawn heath]

id be suprised if we dont get nerfed in aoe

[sullen mural]

You mean the charges

[balmy condor]

idk what your raid lead is smoking

[sullen mural]

who tf calls that blade

[dawn heath]

after kush pulled those overall i saw on stream

[spice surge]

Because you dont really need that many mobs garroted or ruptured

[ripe umbra]

ok, he has w WA that have hunters, mage and rogues, but i guess is wrong then

[balmy condor]

yeah idk

just do the mechanic idk

[ripe umbra]

yeah, tyvm

[dawn heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075184489959014471/1296497304219680788/e2d6780ba8389fc4ca432f342d4b599e.png?ex=671280b5&is=67112f35&hm=1e6b1b3b624a1022e7aa9219dca0ec8120036f6590d5aefcde1bd9fc940ede8f&

[sullen mural]

Its hard to do a square

[dawn heath]

this wa a grimbatol run

bro is doing 2.6mil in grim batol

[sullen mural]

I mean

[dawn heath]

🔨

nerf

[sullen mural]

Its easy to dps when your 2 other dps do less than they usually do in high keys

[dawn heath]

1.8mil is normal in grim batol

in high keys

[ashen scroll]

has anyone encountered anub'arash deleting your dots during burrow? its happened a few times on mythic silken court and im lost on why its happening

[sullen mural]

idk i did 1.8 in a 11 and that was with people just blasting aoe so less padding of caustic

feel like u can easily get 2- 2.2m in that key if things survive a lil longer

[dawn heath]

ye

but that is no way near 2.6

[sullen mural]

Yes but what im sayin is if all of ur dps do like ~2m+ you cant reach 2.6 that easily feel me

but yeah rogue pumps aoe for sure

so do the other specs that are played tho

[dawn heath]

the only way i see u doing that much damage is if u play trash on bosses

cause u lose so much overall playing the ST bosses

yea i see

[velvet ridge]

oh yo what!? feint is off the GCD now?

[dawn heath]

they pulled hatclings onto valiona

for funnel

[fallen moss]

has anyone experience a bug with cloak and heaving retch on blightbone?

[sullen mural]

ye

[sullen mural]

well on next patch anyways

[dusty crescent]

112 GRIM BATOL RUNS

I FINALLY DID IT

L;AKJSDFL;KASJDFL;KASJDF

[spice surge]

Only the first second of cloak works on it

[vale lantern]

Now it’ll be in your vault on Tuesday as myth track like mine was

[fallen moss]

is that a bug? or intended?

[drifting cloud]

its kinda ... both?

tbc cloak spaghetti code

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[vale lantern]

People say this about the fear in mist too but I def hit mine like 3 seconds before the cast finishes and don’t get feared

[dusty crescent]

don't hurt me like this

[vale lantern]

It’s what happened to me I got it Monday and then the game was like here’s a new shiny myth track one

[dusty crescent]

can't get myth track if my guild can't kill heroic queen

[vale lantern]

You can get myth track m+ stuff thou by doing 10s 😄

You’re guild can’t hold you back from doing that!

[dusty crescent]

pfft i gotta suck d just to get into an 8

: /

[scarlet wyvern]

NW vibes

[zinc warren]

!wa

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[sour oasis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[fallen moss]

sorry, just to confirm.. are we saying that we need to time cloak perfectly within 1s or less for it to work on blightbone?

[balmy condor]

the first second

yes

[drifting cloud]

evasion also works on it

[fickle lotus]

When you get queensbane on kyveza do yall hit boss then sprint over to drop balls or do yall just camp the area you're supposed to drop

[balmy condor]

cloak

idk

[fickle lotus]

i was doing that

[balmy condor]

whatever you do to not explode orbs in melee

doesn't matter

[fickle lotus]

but now I'm being told i gotta hold for intermission

cause i'm stacked with tank 😭

elusiveness is so busted on that fight though friendship ended with cheat death fr fr

[drifting cloud]

depends if you get it during 1st or 2nd charge and how close yours is to the boss

if you get opposite side sure you can sprint but youre not even getting 2 globals in probably

[fickle lotus]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, but just feels like so much downtime that it feels like I'm doing something wrong

[drifting cloud]

nah just normal

[fickle lotus]

[balmy condor]

mechanics boss

[daring hamlet]

swapped to nelf recently for meld but did my first key with it and it seems a lil weird - how exactly does it work? never actually played nelf before

[balmy condor]

that's the neat part

[drifting cloud]

50% of the time it doesnt work

[balmy condor]

half the time it just

doesn't work

if you take any damage or move or some shit

it just breaks

[daring hamlet]

like we were in combat in 3rd boss room of nw and we killed all but 2 mobs of the pack on the immediate left and tank leaped to chain the next pack so i wanted to meld there and get a fresh iron wire for next pack

i didn't move

just melded and immedately tried stealthing but couldn't

[fickle lotus]

are you macroing in !stealth

and spamming it?

[daring hamlet]

im not macro'ing meld nah

[dawn heath]

You should

And remember to Double tap the macro

[daring hamlet]

instead of just hitting my stealth button?

like it doesn't save me a click or anything

[fickle lotus]

no you still want a stealth button

[dawn heath]

I would also suggest you stand like 10-20 yards away from the mobs when you go for restealth

[daring hamlet]

cause i would have to double tap

[fickle lotus]

but it will let you spam it

[daring hamlet]

ah I see, jsut faster?

[fickle lotus]

to make sure it for sure goes off and you get carnage proc

[daring hamlet]

oh okay and i can just macro stealth without the unstealth bit yeah? like my current stealth bind if i were to spam it would unstealth me and restealth etc

[dawn heath]

If u press the macro ontop of the mobs it almost never works

[fickle lotus]

Yeah the !stealth portion makes it so you can spam it without fear of being destealthed like you normally would

i have it macro'd with vanish as well

[daring hamlet]

you macro what to vanish?

[fickle lotus]

/cast !stealth

[daring hamlet]

why is that

i can see why for meld

but vanish puts you in stealth anyway no?

[dawn heath]

Does that actually do anything tho? The ! stealth u dont break stealth by spamming the button?

[fickle lotus]

buggy weird shit

[daring hamlet]

dope, well thx yeah ill macro it

[dawn heath]

Like u would have to press it when it came off cd again to unstealth

[fickle lotus]

and back in the day I don't believe it put you in stealth, it gave you a vanish buff which was considered stealth but wasn't really, idk if that's changed

[daring hamlet]

so when you say it doesn't work "on top of mobs" - what about a chain pull with like two stragglers?

should i actively try and like back away from the leftover mobs

[crisp stream]

11.0.5 changes going live on 22nd Oct?

[dawn heath]

Thats the best use of it

[slate crown]

Vanish has always put you in stealth. It also gives you the vanish buff

[dawn heath]

When you chain mobs

Between packs

[slate crown]

I don't know what yall are on about about stealth and vanish macros

I don't use any

[daring hamlet]

yeah thats pretty mcuh my intended use

[slate crown]

and I have a button I spam for stealth

and I never get destealthed

[dawn heath]

Unless you play mist

[slate crown]

My button is on a mousewheel too

so it gets spammed to shit

[daring hamlet]

i mean if you bind your stance stealth and press it and then press it again you'll unstealth

idk what else to say

[coral ibex]

some people macro in a cancelaura for stealth for some reason

[slate crown]

Well yeah, don't press it again

[coral ibex]

no, stealth change has a 2s cd

you cannot change stance for 2s going in and out of stealth

[slate crown]

^

[daring hamlet]

yeah thats the context

[dawn heath]

I also span my stealth button it never takes me out

[daring hamlet]

you're making something out of nothing lol

[dawn heath]

Unless its off cd again

[coral ibex]

you already bought the race change but going nelf for meld is cooked i think, just play a race you like. top rogues are a variety of "suboptimal" races

there are orcs, nelfs, casualaddict is a tauren

[dawn heath]

He is dwarf

[novel star]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[fickle lotus]

what if he did it because he thought they were hot?

[slate crown]

wait do people not do this?

[coral ibex]

he must have swapped for the push, he was tauren for a while

[dawn heath]

Thats me

I play nelf for aesthetic

[alpine lion]

Currently have Heroic Regicide and Blood-Kissed Kukri, guild does not Mythic raid and will probably not have access to the mythic versions of these. However, I can push high keys and get mythic track gear. Was wondering if crafting a weapon would be the best use of Gilded Crests at the moment. How much of a difference will 626 and a crafted 636 make do you guys think?

[fickle lotus]

Looks > usefullness

[coral ibex]

MH is best upgrade slot

[slate crown]

craft dagger

[coral ibex]

make the 636

[daring hamlet]

you're legit just providing feedback on something that ltierally nobody asked feedback on - at no point in this convo was i like "yo should I go nelf for meld"

[dawn heath]

Frfr

[coral ibex]

thats crazy bc you just said you swapped nelf for meld but ok

[daring hamlet]

yes

[coral ibex]

dont get mad at me bc meld is buggy as fuck

[daring hamlet]

i said i did it

[alpine lion]

OK, will be crafting a dagger, thanks for the input

[daring hamlet]

i didn't ask whether i should

[dawn heath]

Nooj is anti elf boy

[daring hamlet]

HUGE diff

[coral ibex]

breh i literally play belf

[dawn heath]

Rivalry

[daring hamlet]

ohh thats why aight

[fickle lotus]

front flips > spins

[coral ibex]

nah spins while holding huge daggers > flips

[daring hamlet]

but also, iono getting resets on basically every pack or close to it for fresh iron wires doesn't seem cooked at all

[fickle lotus]

if I wanted to spin i would just press fan of knives

or feint

does the crimson tempest animation make you spin?

[coral ibex]

i get like 25-30 restealths per dungeon without meld

plus vanishes

[slate crown]

+5 JC > spins > flips also belf and velfs have excellent stealth animations

[daring hamlet]

yeah thats fine if all you care about is dmg

but not having irion wire when you need it ... aint nobody cared about the other 24 restealths

[coral ibex]

if i cared about more iron wires i'd just play subterfuge

[fickle lotus]

I'm making my gold through carries now I don't care about professions :3

[daring hamlet]

that solves a very different issue that I dont have

[slate crown]

I am defeated

[fickle lotus]

you fought well, i'll remember you for as long as I live

[dawn heath]

https://youtube.com/shorts/fa_gHrrNj9Y?si=nSkJDJ5sry7FF8ho

[idle inlet]

is it possible to make a macro that targets the nearest mob with a specific debuff?

[slate crown]

no

[idle inlet]

welp time to make a weakaura to show when my target has deathstalkers mark I guess

[coral ibex]

you can use plater to change the health bar color of targets with specific debuffs

👍🏻

i stole this from whispyr's plater

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[idle inlet]

see the problem isnt finding the dude its clicking on it with my boomer hands while not dying and doing slightly above medicore dps

soooooo just gonna spam tab till my little weakaura tells my im good

[coral ibex]

you can make it your focus target

[idle inlet]

that seems like it would be even more of a pain than just cycling through

[coral ibex]

i guess, i have my focus target in a spot thats easy to see/click on

[barren epoch]

you guys have any thoughts on elusiveness vs cheat death? elusiveness just seems way better

[coral ibex]

wouldnt run cheat above like a 7

elu is just too good

[zenith cedar]

wat

[zenith cedar]

elusiveness is better in theory, because in theory cheat death never procs if you play perfectly. However, it's harder to use, costs damage, and if you do fuck up and die you have nothing to save you

[coral ibex]

counterpoint

2 throw flesh procs your cheat

the next 2 kill you

gg

[zenith cedar]

why are u letting two t hrow flesh hit the same target

no stop? kidney? etc?

[coral ibex]

have you never been in a pug scenario?

[barren epoch]

theres some dungeons like city of threads where I would like the extra dr for non aoe damage

[coral ibex]

bros talking about "costs damage" and suggesting kidneys

insane

[zenith cedar]

a very contrived situation is not really a good argument for why you should take elusiveness imo

[coral ibex]

yea taking 2 throw flesh is totally contrived

never actually happens

[graceful bane]

kidney is still better than feint as it's stopping the dam completely while feint reduces it

if you have to sac combo points

[zenith cedar]

i mean, check the top rogues and see how many run elusiveness

therein you will have your answer

🙂

TLDR: (it's not many)

[graceful bane]

you should in many senario's have enough group cc's to where you can throw out blind for pretty much every pack if not overlappin in many dungeons

[hearty dock]

Are you pugging vault keys? Just run cheat and don't think too hard
Are you pushing keys with a group? Take elusiveness
Do you not care what people on the internet think? Just follow your heart, bro

[coral ibex]

damn thats crazy bc all the top rogues on rio run elu

[zenith cedar]

the odds of you taking 2 throw flesh at the same time and then 2 again with zero stops ion between happening to prevent your deatsh is way lower trhan the odds you stand in a swirly and your life is saved

[coral ibex]

like did you even check

[barren epoch]

how often does cheat death get procced realistically?

[hearty dock]

The top rogues aren't running 10 vault keys dude

[coral ibex]

or did you rip the raider io bit purely on hope

[zenith cedar]

you said "All of the top rogues are running elusiveness"

i clicked on the first rogue on the list
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Casualaddict

he is running cheat death

case closed

[coral ibex]

buddy do you even check the runs

all of casual's runs are with elusiveness

[hearty dock]

Nuance in this discord

[balmy condor]

Why check runs

When can just open webpage

[zenith cedar]

he ran sub in a 14 NW, should you run sub in a 14 NW?

[drifting cloud]

can we mute this clueless dumbass already

[balmy condor]

He plays sin and then zones out for third boss

[drifting cloud]

hes getting annoying

is he just gonna come here every day and type the same stuff

[balmy condor]

I mean he’s just GIGA ignorant it seems

[zenith cedar]

thats prety cool

[drifting cloud]

yeah youd know that if you ever watched a vod or his stream

instead of looking at a talent page on rio

[zenith cedar]

sorry i made a mistake guys

my bad

[balmy condor]

It’s a class discord classic dw

Overly confident people who don’t actually know much

Happens all the time

[wise plover]

i tried updating the hex value for colors in whispyr plater color change script for caustic/DM, but it doesnt ever seem to take affect even with save + reload. anyone have success changing these hex values?

[zenith cedar]

i just play the game /shrug

[hearty dock]

What hex values are the top rogues running on rio?

[drifting cloud]

#80085

[coral ibex]

sorry those hex values are contrived for your benefit

they don't count

[balmy condor]

Are you changing the mod or the script

Cause it’s a mod these days

With an options color picker

Cause it’s much cleaner that way

[wise plover]

oh..... i was using the scripting section

[barren epoch]

so whats the consensus? mostly cheat death for +10 pugs?

[coral ibex]

nah its super easy in modding

[balmy condor]

Yeh grab a new import and import the mod instead

Much easier

[balmy condor]

Cheat if you don’t need to survive giga hits and specific mechanics, but elusiveness is always tankier if you know what to feint

[restive spire]

the other class discord classic is "You should be running StG if you play with DP unless you have CA talented then you can choose between KG and ET"

[zenith cedar]

my argument would be if you know what you're doing and why you're taking elusiveness, its likely to be better. if you don't, cheat is a good catch all

[balmy condor]

If you’re pushing you have to run elusiveness otherwise you will die

[drifting cloud]

either works, cheat if you cba, elu if you wanna minmax with randoms that might do 900k overall

[lethal onyx]

i feel like elusivness overall this season is really good, alot of personal dots and stuff

[zenith cedar]

its unfortuantely not a really a good talent node to say "which one is better"

[barren epoch]

yea the personal dots are messing me up, I play with my buddy who is a healer and he always tells me im omega squishy

[zenith cedar]

it makes up for something rogues lack which is a generic shield wall DR ability

so it's quite good

[coral ibex]

that would never ever happen

[drifting cloud]

clearly photoshopped

[coral ibex]

i wish

[cinder grotto]

I tried the Queens Mandate in GB10 and it was super hard to target adds to trigger the CD reduction. I even used a weakaura. Am I bad?

[zenith cedar]

Sounds like some better nameplates would do you justice

Are you using Plater? Do you have a profile you prefer?

[wise plover]

last question for plater. what section in the modding would i use to increase the CT border thickness?

[rotund oak]

=>interface=>large nameplates=>apply snipe tech=> 🤝

[spice spire]

The trinket itself’s final tick is the one that has to kill it.
Sd cucks you, everyone else’s damage cucks you

[loud willow]

hey guys, im new to raiding this tier. is this what our damage breakdown should look like on a st fight (kyveza)?

[spice spire]

Resets are hard

[rotund oak]

its not that hard tbh,im triggering it consistently on my mage just need to press it 3-4 times to understand how it works

[balmy condor]

Don’t really need to snipe tbh

[rotund oak]

i think the biggest problem is the crit factor,if u crit u oneshot the mob

[balmy condor]

Like the snipe ofc is value

But you don’t NEED it

[cinder bone]

Would 10s be a good time to make the elusiveness switch?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[lament stump]

it just makes your defensives better

its just good

[cinder bone]

Alright cool, i'm finally hitting the big boy keys

[rotund oak]

there is no definitive answer brother,u can switch earlier or later,whatever range makes u feel more comfortable to

[zenith cedar]

A good start would be looking at y our logs to see how often u proc cheat death in keys

If its saving your life you are getting good value from that talent

[cinder bone]

i proc it usually once a key

[balmy condor]

Idk if that’s the metric tbh

If you play cheat death in high keys you will be proccing it on cooldown

[cinder bone]

but there's certain bosses now where i can see it having insane value

[balmy condor]

It just won’t be saving you

[zenith cedar]

I agree if we're talking 12++ keys, in a 10 though, theres not much you NEED elusiveness to live

[cinder bone]

like last night we just missed timing 10 COT cause me and locks cloak/wall had 2s left on cd for the big slam on last boss

[zenith cedar]

and thats's usualy the point where it is clearly the best choice over cheat imo

[balmy condor]

Sure yeah

[karmic crystal]

value

[rotund oak]

taking advantage of the rogue's kit i c

😂

[drifting cloud]

if your keys take 1h you will proc cheat more = value

[zenith cedar]

As a personal challenge try to run like, five keys without proccing your CD once, and then switch to elusiveness and try to maximzie it's value, that's one way of easing into it

[hearty dock]

Keeping cheat on CD is a dps gain

[balmy condor]

[cinder bone]

Time to brick some poor pug's keys

[lament stump]

its not a hard choice, elusive is just better ur a rogue u have barely any defensives and it makes them better

thats just me tho

[cinder bone]

ah, so elusiveness plus the DS talent gives evasion 40% magic reduction then

[rotund oak]

pretty much its a wall

yeah

[zenith cedar]

yeah i mean on paper cheat death provides zero value, you have to ask yourself / analyze if it is providing value (Saving your life) or not to evaluate if it's a good talent for you or not

[cinder bone]

I can't wait til feint is off gcd

gonna be actually lifechanging

[lament stump]

generally planning to die is not great

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt stack like that, adds up to like 35%

[zenith cedar]

[rotund oak]

another silly clarification question,bait and switch and feint are additive in value right?

[cinder bone]

Ohhhhhhh we getting into our path of exile additive vs multiplicative logic now

[rotund oak]

there is no weird interaction between those two

[hearty dock]

Cheat means you can stand in shit to keep dpsing, or not waste a global and energy on feint. That sounds like value to me

[cinder bone]

shoutout to all the homies in this chat answering my questions and having me play my rogue at a level i havent played it at since legion ❤️

[drifting cloud]

yeah that one, words are hard

[zenith cedar]

ah, the DK experience

[cinder bone]

cheat is also nice when the tank does some MDI pull and there's swirlies and environment blocking shit everywhere lol

[zenith cedar]

asking about elu vs cd is a good thing, however if you're working on timing 10s, there are maybe some other areas of your play that can be improved that would provide more bang for your buck

[junior yoke]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[junior yoke]

Is it okay 618 ilvl for a +10? I’ 2400 rio

[zenith cedar]

for sure

[cinder bone]

618 is fine

if you're pugging and not pushing own key ilvl>all though

[junior yoke]

Yeah 😓

[drifting cloud]

to clear it? sure, but unlikely to get invited

[junior yoke]

I’m timing all +9 betweek ++ and +++ and nobody invites

Between*

[novel star]

v_v what an insane fucking talent

[cinder bone]

yeah as rogue you gotta have your own key for 10+

[novel star]

hot take ovinax kinda a fun boss

except swirls

[lethal arrow]

aside from the lag

ovinax is fun asf

[oak eagle]

i crashed out on ovi 40 minutes ago

[cinder bone]

the lag of the affix this week is insane

[oak eagle]

not in disc tho

[junior yoke]

Okay thank you for the tips 😄

[oak eagle]

but i got real fuckin heated

[novel star]

i might crash out if we are here too long

[oak eagle]

i had to wait

10 seconds

on a dispell

[cinder bone]

I've pugged to 2400 now and have never got invited to a 10

[oak eagle]

taking 700k dam every half second

[novel star]

day 1 looks like this which is fine i think got "past" 3rd breaks like twice

[junior yoke]

Yeah, I’m exactly like that, pug to 2400 buut… nobody invites to +10

[novel star]

cool worm

[cinder bone]

the cool thing is once you DO have a 10, if its a good one you will get some real chads signing up

[junior yoke]

Kinda sad

[cinder bone]

I had +10 GB earlier and a 2600 chad tank adn his 2 friends insta signed up

[oak eagle]

what my group did, was get down each container down

[lethal arrow]

can ignore like 40 of these pulls because we were solving WA issues

and testing each container

[oak eagle]

and then are do real pulls

[novel star]

i mean idk every guild has to waste a lot of time on was on this boss

pull counter for literally everyone

includes wa tech support pulls

[junior yoke]

Haha that’s what I tried yesterday but got rejected like 30 dungeons and got tired

[lethal arrow]

we had extra, cuz we swapped off northern sky to liquid

and ppl hadto catch up

it was bit of a mess early this week lul

[junior yoke]

Guess everybody wats a GM +10

GB*

[lethal arrow]

i have a 12 gb in my bags

[novel star]

my guild had 2 change kick order wa

were on like an outdated one for some reason

[lethal arrow]

[novel star]

not anymore

but

[austere bramble]

are there any thoughts on how 11.0.5 will impact sin in terms of buff/nerf or gameplay?

[lethal arrow]

yeah we spent like all of tuesday trouble shooting egg markers cuz ppl had overlapping WAs lol

[balmy condor]

Yes

[novel star]

buff/nerf we still dont really know i think

gameplay is just like

you save the snd gcd in opener

and ER is gone

[winged basin]

less buttons to press very nice, kingsbane ramping faster very nice

[cinder bone]

ER being going if not a numerical buff is a QOL buff

[winged basin]

not playing mini game, priceless.

[junior yoke]

Sorry I just woke up

What is ER

[novel star]

echoing reprimand

[junior yoke]

OHH OK ok

[winged basin]

Echoing Do.. Reprimand

[rotund oak]

🫶

[junior yoke]

Gotcha

[cinder bone]

the hardest thing I've found pushing high keys is just keeping track of everything as sin

[lethal arrow]

really gunna love unlearning some muscle memory on yuesday

[cinder bone]

whereas outlaw I can just let Hekili take the wheel and play pure mechanics

[coral ibex]

hekili

[junior yoke]

Isn’t sub looking good on 0.5?

[cinder bone]

it's so good if you casually like playing outlaw sometimes and want to parse 90

[mystic osprey]

Nah

[lethal arrow]

rotation helpers

[mystic osprey]

Parse 90 on lfr maybe

[rotund oak]

dont ever and for any reason use taht thing,ever,period.-

[mystic osprey]

It's so trash

[winged basin]

Hekili with how fast outlaw plays seems WILD, I applaud you for that

[cinder bone]

this is what playing outlaw is like

[mystic osprey]

Not really

[lethal arrow]

barely

its more like endless button pressing

[mystic osprey]

Yeah

https://tenor.com/view/bills-ugh-gif-9811803164280522639

[cinder bone]

exactly the apm is insane to optimize it lol

[mystic osprey]

More like that

[misty holly]

Hekili is outdated, the pro rogues are using chatgpt for their rotations these days.

[lethal arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-gif-20589966

vs ass which is

https://tenor.com/view/stable-ronaldo-pay-phone-hahahaha-lol-gif-20871661

[cinder bone]

it's funny that this is what 2k io outlaw score is

[junior yoke]

Lol

Serious

[winged basin]

assassination master spec

[mystic osprey]

It's underplayed nearly as badly as sub

[junior yoke]

It was time after shadowlands rly

[cinder bone]

it is a lot of fun though, i miss combat rogue from back in the day

[junior yoke]

Sssh

Delete

[mystic osprey]

They are

Lol

The thing is sin dmg is just broken af anyway

[cinder bone]

only in half right? even if it was 2 seconds/5%dr it would be the pick automatically high keys

the hardest part of the pull for tanks most times is the opener

the most fun I ever had as sin was legion when I got the two bis legendaries 3 weeks into launch lol

[winged basin]

I choose not to remember the dark times. SL Sin the only xpac to make me consider and follow through with not playing sin through DF, played Ele Sham and Enhance last tier of SL and all of DF XD

[cinder bone]

I would just apply to groups and link them and get instant invite

[zenith cedar]

Early SL Sin was giga broken

[junior yoke]

Sin rogue was ok ok sanctum

[winged basin]

I just completely fell for meatball shaman spec

[junior yoke]

The rest… suck

[winged basin]

cause it was fun af

[cinder bone]

damn I was gonna try to do my +11 SoB tonight but I'm two beers in now lol

[junior yoke]

I mean okay in damage, not a super high play class

[winged basin]

Sanctum making the correct smart moves with the borrowed power gem things, was cool, but having a thing do most of my damage that wasnt a button I was pressing was not fun

[drifting cloud]

I think youre definetly a minority there 😄 v1 of sanctum gems was ultra garbage

literal rng if your char does dps first few weeks of the raid

and then huge sweeping buffs/nerfs when people already upgraded different sets

[winged basin]

well iirc, didnt our first set of "bis" gems, get changed to a different set shortly after the tier started?

[cinder bone]

SL was first xpac i didnt raid at all

[karmic crystal]

ye unholy was super op then blood got buffed

and frost maybe was for assa too

[winged basin]

yeah frost was giga for sin iirc

all I know is one of our sin rogues went unholy, full upgraded, and I went frost, unholy got gutted, and I went full send on frost, and smashed everything

[thick citrus]

Is there any easy way to get a level 80 on PTR if you don't have one to copy? Only seeing levelling template which is 70.

[somber sparrow]

what's a good uptime % on envenom realistically

[fading echo]

Hey guys I've got some questions about tea usage and pooling in raid and m+. Do we always save teas for burst? (one for regular KB and two for DM KB?) or do we just try to use only one per burst and use the last whenever we need energy. Also when do we pool? Always out of burst or pool to 180-200ish energy only when burst is coming up and when you cant sustain envenom chains anymore?

[shy pecan]

You save it for when you need energy during shiv

[hollow talon]

I remember how awful that was

And then they randomly buffed/nerfed stuff after I upgraded all my gems

Glad they stopped doing shit like that

[balmy condor]

80% ish

Also fuck sanctum gems

I played sub during sanctum specifically to avoid needing to play frost on assa

Assa was simply not playable with frost gems idc what people say

[subtle kiln]

Killing your one trick vibe.

[balmy condor]

Worst fucking borrowed power

[lament stump]

whispyr on sub

[subtle kiln]

Whispyr is a dagger main.

Oxi also a sub enjoyer

[balmy condor]

?????