assassination

[west peak]

even tho that means u dont get the dmg buff on ur fully ramped kingsbane sadly

[lethal arrow]

Idk what its like on mythic but heroic it seems fine to just dunk when hes webbed

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna play some jank and get good logs like 1 point subterfuge

[lethal arrow]

Yeah this is what I saw as well, I actually peeped logs earlier today to see what ppl were doing and it even tho we miss the full ramp on KB, its still generally fine to send the moment he's webbed

[cinder bone]

we did it boys

[pseudo elm]

atm i kinda suck at heroic raid, this is a log from normal raid today. i just want to know how to improve, is my rotation wrong or do i need to plan my cd´s better? now this is on normal raid and i feel good about it. on heroic i kinda suck

[zenith cedar]

How many color gems should i be using

[pseudo elm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ja3PwmQXGZTrgF8D#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=9

[quiet oar]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[fallen stag]

is ass gettin any nerfs or buffs this upcoming patch guys?

[spice spire]

Things are changing maybe slight buff

[thorn fjord]

HAIR EVERYWHERE

[green nebula]

Feels like a buff to me just off a quick glance

Won’t be insane amount though

[slim pebble]

Nah my man on the inside said it’s a nerf

[balmy condor]

it's cooking day today

should know by end of week

have to finish updating guides though

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[pure star]

The auto tea seems kinda stupid if it still an active ability we can use? Seems pointless, no? Like let us decide, we barely have any buttons to press anyways lol

[balmy condor]

it's meant to give accessibility

if you're playing normally you shouldn't really be hitting it to begin with

or you should be hitting it during shivs anyway

since that's where you're spamming

and that's when you want to use it

so like for "optimal" play, you don't change shit

[woven shore]

Hallo rogs

[balmy condor]

and you get to auto-proc during shiv and be happy

and for everyone else it uses it automatically out of sight out of mind

and that's fine too

[subtle tundra]

but i do... cause im bad?

i guess i wont cause we have higher apm

[balmy condor]

I mean in keys you might still be hitting it

[tranquil birch]

What i don't understand about that is that if it auto procs, how are we able to save it for shiv/kb windows?

[balmy condor]

you just don't auto proc it

and then press the button like before

[tranquil birch]

So stay above 30 energy?

[balmy condor]

yeh

or don't

who cares really

using tea is the important part

and the change lets you do that

[green nebula]

The change where we don’t have to cast snd is nice

[subtle tundra]

is anyone else progging queen as assa

[silk sundial]

Will the subterfuge buff also apply to Iron Wire for 11 second silence?

[subtle tundra]

that we know of

[green nebula]

The opener with all the CDs feels so clunky

[slim pebble]

My mind goes brrrt so I’ll always be out of tea

[hallow pelican]

yo

[tranquil birch]

Same

[balmy condor]

the silence is 5 seconds still, but you get to apply it for 6 more seconds

[vast loom]

we save 1 button on the opener now woooooo

[subtle tundra]

hi

[hallow pelican]

my favorite is shadowstepping or cloaking the portal phase

[vast loom]

im curious if super charger makes us wanna take the 2shiv charge talent in m+

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-computing-counting-math-problems-gif-14678592

[silk sundial]

So you can garrote at the end. Right before subtefuge runs out to refresh iron wire?

[woven shore]

Whisp
Is it worth to upgrade a mythic dagger to 639 and swapp your 636 mainhand for it

[subtle tundra]

awesome dude, nice tech

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

no

[slim pebble]

For me it was around 10k dps

[vast loom]

sadge

[balmy condor]

why would it

[spice spire]

[vast loom]

more cp value? but i guess in a perfect situatioon its only +1 shiv

[balmy condor]

correct

it's the same as without a trace

you don't actually get more shivs

[woven shore]

Whaaatt

636 to 639 dagger??

[vast loom]

yeah, but down time might lead to more shivs potentially

[split veldt]

im a moron, so can someone tell me, is our deeps going up on tuesday? lol

[woven shore]

3ilvl diff 10k ? Lol

[balmy condor]

no

[split veldt]

[hallow pelican]

10k when youre already doing a million and a half ...

[woven shore]

So almost there

[split veldt]

is it going down?

[woven shore]

Im finally fucking full 619 +

Mythic + is a pain in the ass

[dusk fox]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[slim pebble]

OH also gained stats /ilvl in this scenario

[balmy condor]

no

[harsh anchor]

If my sim goes up 1 or down 1 I’m reporting this to HR

[balmy condor]

jokes on you

[tranquil birch]

Is there a difference between the shiv supercharged cp, and echoing reprimand ones? The language was kind of confusing, almost made echoing reprimand seem like a passive designed to be a buff for supercharger

[balmy condor]

I am HR

[balmy condor]

that's exactly what it is

[tranquil birch]

Oh OK so we won't press er anymore

[slim pebble]

It doesn’t exist

It got thanos snapped

[woven shore]

How

1,5m ?

[balmy condor]

echoing reprimand is a passive that takes the function/form of reverberation currently

[tranquil birch]

OK sweet. I like it conceptually

[balmy condor]

otherwise supercharger is the same as ER

but instead of mini-game

it just buffs the next finisher after shiv

right now you would finish on 4 to consume the combo point, and get a 7 combo point finisher

saving 3cp

next week you just finish and get 3cp bonus

same effect, just passive and slightly different

[zenith cedar]

Whispyr whats the verdict on colored gems for the meta gem? Since most stats are good for us do we just run 4 colors?

[subtle tundra]

yea but i like finishing early...

sexually

[tranquil birch]

Damn they've really simplified the spec a lot. Almost legion levels of simple on ST

[balmy condor]

whatever sims higher

my sims are completely equal between the primary stat gem and just full crit/haste gems

but I couldn't be fucked regemming

[zenith cedar]

Most of the nuance of Mutilate spec has always been in the resource management side of things, the rotation has been simple for quite some time

[vast loom]

will there be any potential minamxing supercharger with deathstalker capstone or anything like that

[balmy condor]

and had a couple of things laying around

[subtle tundra]

man queen with deathstalker is so annyoing

[balmy condor]

so I just filled slots with whatever

[zenith cedar]

makes sense to me, i'll just run the 4 colors ig even if it makes gemming a PITA

[balmy condor]

probably but I haven't cooked yet

taking a quick food break before it's back to guides

[tranquil birch]

Right, but compared to the legion years definitely there's just a lot more literal buttons to press

[vast loom]

ah yeah sweet or maybe not, idk if i wanna make sin harder i like it how it is no change plz thx

[zenith cedar]

Yah for sure, if you ever go back in time and play Assasination in MoP/WotLK it's really just a handful of buttons

keep rupture up, pool enough energy for 2 muts inside envenom, profit

hit envenom with trinket procs/wep enchant procs etc

[vast loom]

im also really curious about twist the knife

[pseudo cosmos]

old combat from wolk

pog

[balmy condor]

it's probably a situation of like

[vast loom]

it sounds cool

[pseudo cosmos]

hack and slash with axes enjoyment

[balmy condor]

"finish on 5+, or whatever to consume darkest night"

so like with forced induction you would finish on 4

[tranquil birch]

So taking out the need fir the snd, er, and tea buttons just prunes it back down is what I meant

[balmy condor]

but generally looking like it's just 5+ and vibe

[zenith cedar]

The way to out perform in those days was really by tracking every single dmg increasing buff and timing your envenoms and whatnot correctly. E.g. you might want to clip an envenom by 0.5s if it means it lands inside yourwep enchant buff

[vast loom]

how does supercharger interact with darkest night?

[balmy condor]

as you would expect

[spice spire]

Same as now

[vast loom]

so if the total cp is 7> it works

[zenith cedar]

Yeah, its harder to keep track of everything these days tho

[vast loom]

i think?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vast loom]

makes sense

[cloud basin]

I know that augvoker i had in a pug dungeon hate to see me coming. "You aren't kicking" sir ironwire exists so like tf you want

[vast loom]

i kinda liked the ER minigame tbhj

[zenith cedar]

you should be using kick brother

[tranquil birch]

Yeah sin was almost braindead other than prepping for kb windows in legion

[cloud basin]

I do use my kick though. He complained it wasn't "enough"

[zenith cedar]

Sin has always been fairly straightforward rotationally, frankly most rogue specs were untl the abomonation that is outlaw came around

Sub is overbloated too IMO

[cloud basin]

Sin is my favorite dps spec

[vast loom]

i feel like sub is way more simple than people think

[tranquil birch]

Extremely

[zenith cedar]

It is but the opener is wild and essentialyl requires the use of macros

[vast loom]

it has CD bloat imo

[zenith cedar]

I mean last expac i had a macro that hit like 7 buttons off GCD at once and that wasnt even considered optimal because it loses a global

[vast loom]

like why do you need symbols dance flag and blades

[tranquil birch]

Speaking of legion, bring back DfA sub. Was peak (minus the loss of control)

[zenith cedar]

I think sub is primarily designed for PVP tbh

[vast loom]

but other than that its pretty simple

to me outlaw is a lot harder

[zenith cedar]

The PVE rotation feels and plays like an afterthought

[vast loom]

you are constintly thinking about what button to press next on reaction

[fickle lotus]

Would we want to envenom at 7 cp even with super charge while DN is up? or will it not treat it as like a 10cp finisher

[zenith cedar]

Outlaw is much more attention-requiring

[indigo ginkgo]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[vast loom]

and every small fuckup leads to less ADR uptime

[royal lantern]

how bad is it that my first thought was "so....not at all for 2 weeks?"

[zenith cedar]

but from a complexity POV its quite simple

[balmy condor]

you would want to finish on whatever gives you 7 or more to get the mark up as fast as possible

the same as now

[fickle lotus]

ok cool beans

[zenith cedar]

How does Lingering Darkness work exactly? Is that only if it actually expires as in the timer goes off naturally by ticking out?

Does consuming all of my deathmark stacks proc lingering darkness?

[balmy condor]

deathmark the cooldown bud

[zenith cedar]

OH lmao

fuck me

[vast loom]

the naming convention isnt the best

[pliant remnant]

Deja vu

[balmy condor]

naming convention does suck

but deathstalker and deathmark

are not the same thing

[vast loom]

im still mad that our trees all suck

[zenith cedar]

Is there a general guideline to follow for Kingsbane window pooling? e.g. 70 energy before using envenom

[balmy condor]

being above 0 usually helps

[vast loom]

i dont feel like im stalking any death

[zenith cedar]

hey be nice i am washed

[balmy condor]

:P

[zenith cedar]

Im trying to roll around in the mud here

[balmy condor]

no, there's no real rule

[vast loom]

trickster is fun cuz its bladeflurry on sub rogue which is cool

[balmy condor]

some people will tell you to like pool to some magic number

which is kinda whatever

[zenith cedar]

Got it, so basically "as many resources as possible without griefing" is what i'm hearing

[balmy condor]

but no reason to overcomplicate

you'll have tea charges for it

so it's whatever

[zenith cedar]

I took your advice yesterday on spreading less garrotes on openers in M+

Makes alot of sense tbh

[pseudo cosmos]

[zenith cedar]

"get CT + CS up and start blasting" -- good advice

[balmy condor]

yeh

assa as a spec is basically just "have energy and then press buttons"

[vast loom]

would you want our dmg to be more in dots and less in caustic?

[balmy condor]

there's a quote from koji like 7 years ago that rings eternal to the spec

[vast loom]

i feel like both work just fine

[balmy condor]

legit has never been false

[zenith cedar]

How does Sudden Death change (if at all) the equation on deciding whether to use a rupture/garrote when an enemy is near death?

[balmy condor]

"turns out you can just press random buttons 10% of the time and it doesn't matter"

[spice spire]

It does not

[fickle lotus]

I wish caustic was deleted from the game 🙂

[spice spire]

Y tho

[subtle tundra]

PREACH

[vast loom]

caustic is fun 🙂

[zenith cedar]

So general guideline of if this thing will die in the duration of my bleed i should send envenom still applies

[subtle tundra]

BROTHER

[spice spire]

Mfs complained about not having cleave for years

Get it

[subtle tundra]

so i can fucking do dmg with my dots

[spice spire]

Complain about it

[subtle tundra]

our dot dmg is so pathethic

only reason its ok is cause we have IC

[vast loom]

yeah but envenom stonks

[subtle tundra]

so we bleed 10000 things

[fickle lotus]

Caustic is just like secret tech in sub where the spec lives or dies by it (usually)

getting rid of it would allow more power to be put elsewhere

[spice spire]

Usually ? We’ve had it for two tiers (I don’t count the micky mouse season)

[vast loom]

sectech was a trash button for years until like DF right?

[balmy condor]

personally yes, but I understand the issue. You can't make bleeds giga strong and delete caustic, cause then you press bleeds and have no gameplay. Caustic atm is the glue rotationally that holds the spec together in aoe after bleeds get applied, so it's touchy cause like caustic bad = you suck after applying CT

which is

really hard to balance

[vast loom]

yeah that makes sense to me

[zenith cedar]

Historitcally devs have not liked when Assasination gets to a point where like 60-80-% of our damage is passive

[devout schooner]

Just got the queen HC ring. is it BiS on assa or just good?

[zenith cedar]

BIS for pretty much every class in the game

[rain wraith]

!fps

[devout schooner]

nice

[rain wraith]

whats the weakaura thing to get more fps

[zenith cedar]

Its giga BIS for classes that deal nature damage as the RPPM is x2 if you do nature dmg

[spice spire]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[balmy condor]

so like in my tier list it would be:

1. finding a way for bleeds to be interesting and fun rather than spamming caustic (I will always refer to Sinister Calling cause I've been asking for it since fucking legion)
2. caustic getting nerfed another like 5%ish small change for rupture to do damage on its own
3. caustic at it is now
4. caustic stronger
5. no caustic

[zenith cedar]

I like caustic i can switch one talent and go big boom on cleave

[rain wraith]

looks like my pc is just bad. nothing showed

[fickle lotus]

multistrike

[zenith cedar]

is alchemy stone good at all

[iron valve]

rework caustic to cause targets with rupture + a poison to splash poison damage around them on rupture tick

[balmy condor]

not really

[zenith cedar]

you can do the recraft thing on it and get upgrades to 633, seems kind of crest efficient to craft

[balmy condor]

thats so dangerous lmao

[fickle lotus]

no you can't

[balmy condor]

exponential aoe

[iron valve]

yes 🙂

[zenith cedar]

If you craft a 636 and a 633 it works

[iron valve]

echoing blades

doesn't unholy have something just like that?

[balmy condor]

echoing blades was capped

unholy's thing is also capped

heavily I might add

[winged widget]

so the only practical change is that you actually have to go to max combo points for darkest night instead of proccing it with an anima charged CP sometimes, right?

[brisk bear]

hm. So i'm just trying to get back into rogue and it seems like Assassination is the what everyone prefer's.. I was watching videos, and a couple streams and someone keeps mentioning Splatter.. what is that?

[fickle lotus]

so 180 crests?

[balmy condor]

supercharger gives you bonus cp, you don't have to go to max

[zenith cedar]

no, use your brain. you craft a 633 and recraft it to a 636. Giving you credit for two trinkets at 633

[winged widget]

but doesn't darkest night says specifically taht you need to finish at max CP?

[fickle lotus]

it doesn't work because it's unique equipped and has been confirmed in multiple reddit threads regarding the exploit 🙂

[balmy condor]

4 + 3 is 7

[zenith cedar]

I love when someone is confidently wrong and doubles down. Enjoy man!

[brisk bear]

Thanks. now to try an figure this shit out

[balmy condor]

arithmetic with whispyr

[fickle lotus]

also they don't have missives

[winged widget]

so if, for instance, i dont take stratagem, and stay at 5CP, i can finish with 2, and the extra 3 will register at max?

[balmy condor]

sure

2 + 3 is 5

makes sense to me

[ionic fox]

Anyone know what works vs fiery richochet 2nd boss of Siege? I used stoneform, evasion, cloak, feint. still end up dying to it.

[oak ember]

Come patch day is there any world in which we take the new subterfuge or is it pretty much dead because of where it's placed?

[winged widget]

what are the odds that there's some weird bug and if I finish with "more than max", it doesn't proc DN?

[nimble ether]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

its mostly dead cause its 0 dps

[oak ember]

I figured

[winged widget]

like the bug with coins that sometimes in a certain scenario you can get 7+ stacks and not proc lucky coin

[balmy condor]

higher than max procs dn

works the same way as now

if you have 6 max and consume an animacharge it counts at 7

and it works

nothing is changing with the rework

[winged widget]

perfect then

[balmy condor]

it is still the exact same

[noble pollen]

goodbye snd button

[slim pebble]

Is there a science around mythic + parses or do they just throw some shit in there? (I don’t actually care I’m curious how they even get a number in there)

[pseudo elm]

does death stalker mark last for the entire fight?

[nimble ether]

!lag

[balmy condor]

its based on points

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[balmy condor]

if you refresh it, yes

[daring hamlet]

lol did he effectively sim this and find that basically random buttons were pretty close to optimal outside cds

rogue apl gone to shit since koji dipped 😦 (jokes, yall are fantastic)

[subtle kiln]

Does actually surprise you?

[balmy condor]

no I was optimizing some random thing and it didn't matter at all

[balmy condor]

koji is still around btw

he implements most of the changes

[daring hamlet]

yeah? he still workin' on stuff just not playing?

nice

[thorn fjord]

What are the chances blizzard sneaks in the DN fix next week?

[balmy condor]

0

[thorn fjord]

Figured as much haha

[subtle kiln]

@balmy condor if you are ever feeling feisty and want to go off on a YT tangent, feel free to do a video on the state of Sub.

[fickle lotus]

Why would he do that

he play assa not sub

[subtle kiln]

he loves us.

[thorn fjord]

He plays both

[subtle kiln]

and he can play sub as well

[thorn fjord]

Don’t hate

[balmy condor]

I love how the pendulum swings

[scenic kiln]

all sub players dont need more to cry about

myself included

[balmy condor]

during shadowlands I was flamed for playing sub and writing the assa guide

cause omg assa guide writer doesn't even play assa xddddd

then I don't play sub for 1 tier and now I'm an assa one trick

[spice spire]

Bro I was ur #1 hater

Wdym I never brought guide writing into it

[tropic jewel]

hey guys i got a qustion regarding embelishments - atm im wielding a 639 weapon and the 636 with embelishment .. got a 2nd 639 weapon from raid today ... is it the play to got for 2 x crit amp embelishment now ?

[spice spire]

Sure sounds like a plan!

[slim pebble]

Whatever makes your heart happy

[balmy condor]

I need to record the videos I have planned first

[tropic jewel]

whats ur opinion on that mr whispyr

[fickle lotus]

he's gonna say the magic words

"sim it"

[balmy condor]

worse

[subtle kiln]

Ok. I offered to do an english dub for Fuu going off in german but that hasn’t happened yet.

[fickle lotus]

😮

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna tell you it doesn't matter

gain 0.2% in gear, lose 0.2% in embellishment change

what does it matter

[unkempt warren]

POG

[cloud yew]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[viscid spear]

Preheat really really liked Devastation Evoker enough that he became their guide writer while also remaining the Fire Mage writer.

[subtle kiln]

a true one trick would tell you it matters.

[balmy condor]

in this expansion, gems/consumables/embellishments are literally all just a game of "do I want this one thing for 1% or this other thing for 0.9% or maybe this other other thing for 0.95%"

they're all weak

[fickle lotus]

People will grind a dungeon for hours on end for a trinket just to gain 0.2%

[balmy condor]

they're all kinda close

and none of it matters

having 2 embellishments is the important part

what exactly those embellishments are

matters 0

[subtle kiln]

my apologies if I tarnished your Assa cred. Back to dooming in sub.

[undone pollen]

i cant wait until i can actually press feint

[zenith cedar]

wdym

[undone pollen]

without stopping my whole character

[balmy condor]

||internally it was mostly none of the caster writers wanted to actually play it and he was more qualified than like a healer ||

[fickle lotus]

not pressing mutilate for one global won't kill ur dps, but dying to a mechanic because you didn't press feint will

also it makes your healers happy

[undone pollen]

-1 mutilate = death

i did the math

but honestly its more about how bad it feels than anything

[zenith cedar]

looking at a guy with a myth mark of khadros and a veteran sacbrood

[viscid spear]

I like Dorovon

[balmy condor]

Dorovon is highly intelligent

Very very smart man

[tardy echo]

so im trying to multispec on one character, how well can this go with outlaw and assa? problem is all my crafted gear has vers haste is that just so rough i need to have two sets of the crafted gear too you think?

[balmy condor]

he doesn't like put you down or anything, but he's just that level of smart where he talks and you go "damn, I'm fucking stupid"

[runic hinge]

Assa likes all stats you’ll be fine

[silk sundial]

Withh 2 points in subterfuge. You can in theory get 17 seconds of iron wire if you refresh improved garrote right before subt runs out?

[runic hinge]

Just wear your outlaw stuff and don’t worry too much

[balmy condor]

yeh

[elder prism]

Guys, quick question- does Fatebound change our playstyle at all?

[balmy condor]

you have to play cold blood

otherwise no

[runic hinge]

And you could macro cold blood to envenom

[vital flicker]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[elder prism]

I see

[limber lion]

I love Cold Blood

[viscid spear]

I don't like the other specs tbh, so I just chill (lol) in Frost channel

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't

next week you can macro it to kingsbane

but envenom just fucks over edge case

[elder prism]

and how far are they from eachother ? Im currently Deathstalker and I'm really struggling to keep up in raid

[balmy condor]

fatebound is generally just worse everywhere

the only saving grace for fatebound is that it could be easier and rng higher

but defensively it's worse

in aoe it's worse

for boss damage it's generally worse

it's more rng

[elder prism]

I see

[balmy condor]

it's just worse in every conceivable way

[vital flicker]

That's it! Im switching to fatebound with Without a Trace

[runic hinge]

I like fatebound more in keys cause I don’t have to juggle the mark but I know it’s worse

And I haven’t played it since the first week but I miss how easy it is

[winged widget]

even if fatebound had consistently more dmg, losing bait and switch would feel SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAD

[viscid spear]

I just pick someone in the pack and focus my mark on them

[balmy condor]

need them to fix ethereal cloak so I can use bait and switch again

[winged widget]

I can't live without it anymore. especially when the alternative is SOMETIMES, IF YOU'RE LUCKY, you get to reduce 10% of a single instance of dmg. POG.

[winged widget]

what's wrong with it?

[balmy condor]

it's damage

[viscid spear]

Speaking of cloaks, the tankish one in the raid is so nice.
When we wipe I'm usually one of the last ones to die.

[balmy condor]

cause they hooked it up wrong

so you get like 1.8-2% single target dps talenting into it

[runic hinge]

I’m still using bait and switch in keys but not in raid

[winged widget]

lolwut

[fickle lotus]

i'm not forced to run bait n switch during kyveza prog

[winged widget]

you mean to tell me I'm losing 2% ST dps because I'm not talenting into something that gives me 2 extra seconds on Cloak of Shadows?

[spice spire]

Bait this switch that how about you bait for some hoes

[spring sigil]

HEORIC SKARDYNS

FINALLY

[fickle lotus]

yeah

[balmy condor]

correct

[limber lion]

unlucko

[spring sigil]

I''ve always taken bait and switch 😮

[runic hinge]

I don’t need hoes

[spice spire]

Flex harder bud

[runic hinge]

I have evolved beyond the need

[solemn oracle]

Rate the loot of our first Mythic Ky'veza kill

[viscid spear]

Have all your gardening tools in good supply, eh

[hot jay]

Huh? It's coded in some incorrect way making it give you a damage increase?

[hollow whale]

i wish this for me

[hot jay]

Or am I misunderstanding

[balmy condor]

yes

[winged widget]

9/10, no zenith token

[vital flicker]

So do we think that subterfuge is going to be run in M+? Would that make Master assassin BiS because that only makes iron wire harder to take

[spice spire]

That’s so bad lmao

[hot jay]

[balmy condor]

it gives you access to a talent that doesn't exist anymore

[hot jay]

Wow

[solemn oracle]

It's a great day to be the only rogue in here

[hollow whale]

which one is it?

[spice spire]

Amen

[balmy condor]

flensing knives

[spice spire]

But also wtf

[worthy surge]

Morning all is there still a channel for ptr changes coming I can't seem to find it on discord mind you I am using discord on my phone maybe that's why ?

[spice spire]

2 is like sick

[spice spire]

It doesn’t exist

[upper wraith]

finally timed all 11+s F grimbatol lol

[viscid spear]

Same, I have Heroic Regicide and Heroic Kukri.

[spice spire]

Well

It does

But

[worthy surge]

Thanks mate 👍

[spice spire]

It’s hidden for us until a real meaningful set or changes come

[limber lion]

And here we were celebrating that they removed Flensing Knives and replaced it with something else

[spice spire]

This is relatively small

[limber lion]

If only we had known

[balmy condor]

the graveyard

[viscid spear]

I can't get a damn Grace though

[limber lion]

giveaway-submissions, the goat

[hollow whale]

'league of legends' damn

[worthy surge]

40 runs in 2 weeks still no trinket man sucks

[wild hound]

What weakaura/add-on do you guys use to track mob casts in m+? I'm starting to do high keys and it's getting really tricky keeping track of shit during big pulls, I see streamers using stuff that uses sound effects and notifications on screen for important casts and when they're targeted etc. Anyone who knows if there's a pack for this stuff?

[limber lion]

Plater

[balmy condor]

yeh, they're threads now in #1113805668625944656

[limber lion]

Plater does all of that for you

Or some weakauras on top

[pseudo elm]

i use cever plater

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid spear]

I work during the week so this weekend will be another marathon of runs in the hope I can get one

[balmy condor]

did you guys know that cev's name is actually Ion, identical to Ion the game dev

that's why it's ceverION

lil fun fact

[limber lion]

I have LittleWigs/BigWigs, a Weakaura pack for raid/mythic+ and the plater

[limber lion]

Oh fuck I've been found

[wild hound]

Really? That's lovely! What weakaura pack? ^^

[worthy surge]

Yeah same man I get that I'm the same

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

I use Whispyr's Afenar weakaura pack for the class itself and Causesse's packs for Mythic+/Raid mechanics

[vital flicker]

So when you said Cever Plater it really should've been Ion Plater

[limber lion]

[pseudo elm]

yep

[wild hound]

Cool, thank you so much!

[limber lion]

Np

[hollow whale]

btw do i wanna try to get mad queens if i have a myth spy and a hero grace?

[balmy condor]

sim

[undone pollen]

as a matter of prefernce i find it really annoying to cast mad queens

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

:smile_dog:

[keen spruce]

[zenith cedar]

mad queen is cool in some situations e.g. NW Last boss

[viscid spear]

[zenith cedar]

it insta kills the gauntlet

[runic hinge]

[viscid spear]

My smiledog is nervous

[winged widget]

yes, but you gotta use on the rest of the dungeon as well

[shy stream]

was reading the echoing reprimand messages upstream, and can't help but feel like i'm misunderstanding the proper usage of the supercharged anima. could someone please provide scenarios to when i would spend or not spend the charges?

[balmy condor]

you can't not spend the charges

it buffs your next finishers automatically

you are forever cursed to consume

it's an allegory about capitalism

[shy stream]

so, see 1 blue cp, spend

[limber lion]

It is very plug and play

[vital flicker]

So with the new subterfuge, does master assassin basically read "deal 25% extra damage and generate more combo points for 12 seconds after breaking stealth"? Unless im misinterpreting it that seems pretty good

[limber lion]

No

There are no blue cp's anymore

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

yes, except you would have to take subterfuge

which means not taking something else

and that fucking sucks

[vital flicker]

It's that bad still?

[balmy condor]

I mean lets think about this for a second

would you rather put 2 points into a talent to buff 1 talent

or would you rather just put those 2 points into talents that do damage

[shy stream]

oh, i thought it was just red and blue lol. seems like i'm doing everything wrong

[vital flicker]

Technically it buffs the garrote talents too

[balmy condor]

yeah and technically that's also shit

[rain wraith]

https://gyazo.com/c3320ccdf6fab07f52b50180195ac1ad

[balmy condor]

6 extra seconds of 50% extra garrote holy

that's like

[rain wraith]

practicing my sub spec in pugs

u see some shit

[balmy condor]

3 whole seconds of garrote

I N S A N E

[zenith cedar]

the shadowstep talent change is a no-op right?

[balmy condor]

the step talent just removes step from outlaw

doesn't change anything from sub/assa

[zenith cedar]

good! fuck em!

[vital flicker]

3 seconds more of garrote during death mark is like 6 seconds of garrote

[balmy condor]

yeah

[zenith cedar]

man my rogue is in ARAK/GB jail

[balmy condor]

but you don't get 3 more seconds of garrote during deathmark

so that's a non-starter

[zenith cedar]

surely i get the trinkets before i hit crest cap

[upper wraith]

Trinkets are overrated. Got sac and skar hero track but I still suck

[cobalt sphinx]

Well if it buffed that one talent by 2000% i think that’s totally fine

[balmy condor]

true

maybe even 3000%

[visual hemlock]

whispyr making new youtube video explaining new changes

free content

[feral crag]

how do these changes affect assa inM+?

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

[winged widget]

depends on how toxic your group is in demanding you to serve as iron wire bot for them

[desert vault]

On Skar boss in Stonevault, I know it is best to soak 2-3 orbs, does it matter if you soak them soon as they come up or wait until closer to shield cast?

[royal lantern]

well

the orbs give a dot

until the shield phase is over

so you kinda dont want to pick them up asap and wait a bit instead

[desert vault]

ok cause they don't do any damage or anything while they are sitting on the ground right?

[pliant remnant]

No

[true rapids]

45 gb runs and 30 ak runs for my trinkies and then I lucked and got myth skardyns in the next weeks vault after getting hero ver

[zenith cedar]

Please dont say that

[true rapids]

set loot spec to outlaw to lessen chances at dagger for smaller loot pool

[pliant remnant]

I'm 42 runs in right now

Havin' a grand ol' time

Friend links me Myth track Skardyn's in vault and gets it at the end of a run a couple hours later

Stellar

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[true rapids]

At least gb is nerfed I did all my farming before it got tuned

[pliant remnant]

Funny thing is I got a WUE one day 1 of the season, so at least I have one

but it only goes up to 606

[timber meadow]

how long does it usually take for the wow armory to recognize your character again after a race change?

[coral ibex]

this is tech

[dawn heath]

making 11 so easy has created a new affix that is now worse than ever

[royal lantern]

couple days most of the time

[dawn heath]

Keyholder affix this expansion is worse than bolstering, sanguine all of these combined

[timber meadow]

rip

[warped kiln]

any reason why i see no rogue in log with the other crafted dagger ? im 626 ilvl and here is the sim

[pseudo elm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

That sim does not sim embellishments

So Stiletto gets an edge over anything else

because it has an embellishment on it

And other items do not

[warped kiln]

i already have crafted dagger with embelish

[limber lion]

Yes

[pseudo elm]

i cant find Causesse's packs, where do i find it?

[balmy condor]

that droptimizer is adding a 3rd embellishment

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter for that sim

[balmy condor]

you have 2 equiiped

[warped kiln]

so why it's sim so high ? i have dagger embelished

[limber lion]

Brother

[balmy condor]

that stiletto is the 3rd

[warped kiln]

okok

[balmy condor]

you can't equip 3

[limber lion]

It's putting your mainhand in your offhand

current one

[limber lion]

A simple google search will do it

[warped kiln]

so normal dagger with embelish is better then siphoning silletto ?

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons

https://wago.io/twwraid1

Here's mythic+ and raid

[cobalt sphinx]

Affirmative

[limber lion]

Yes

[fickle lotus]

personally i like the northern sky pack

[pseudo elm]

thanks! couldent find it on wago at first

[proud pelican]

Have we as a community decided if we’re going to miss echoing reprimand or not yet?

[limber lion]

No worries

[limber lion]

Not

[proud pelican]

I’ll only miss it if whispyr tells me to

[errant mauve]

in keys dps breakdown should usually be caustic, CT, rupture, envenom right

[south token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber lion]

Something like that

[spice surge]

ER stinky, supercharger cool

My opinion

[proud pelican]

[fickle lotus]

Envenom should be second on dmg

[dapper cradle]

would rapid injection stack twice with the new twist the knife?

20% on envenom damage with 2 stacks?

[rancid grove]

Is there anywhere I can see new recommended Talent Trees?

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

@rancid grove any of the above, I personally recommend wowhead

[rancid grove]

Those dont have the 11.0.5 changes though right?

[normal mist]

11.0.5 isn't out yet

So no, rn we have guides for what is live

[spice spire]

Give it a few days

[runic hinge]

They just confirmed the notes like 6 hours ago

[spice spire]

He’ll have the pins up

Whispyr is a human too believe it or not

[normal mist]

We'll probably have a YouTube video from the multi colored hair man soon

[runic hinge]

Can’t believe whisp doesn’t have that shit already cooked tbh. It’s been literal hours

[normal mist]

Like, above 2 mins is already too much

[runic hinge]

He is John blizzard

[normal mist]

I want my 2h video

[runic hinge]

Master of ass but not the rogue kind

[spice spire]

Real

[prime hull]

How do you maintain deathstalkers mark on the last boss of seige?

When tentacles die they don't actually "die" and I don't get a Darkest Night proc

I do negative damage that boss every time.

[cobalt sphinx]

i thought they did actually die

[spice spire]

The tentacles definitely die

[runic hinge]

I shrimply don’t go into siege of boralus

[spice spire]

Getting from place to place

May take over 30s and cause a drop

And then I vanish and ambush

[cobalt sphinx]

if they didn't, then hold your DN proc and do 5-6 cp envenoms when they are finna die

[spice spire]

They def die as of like.
This last Sunday

[cobalt sphinx]

if you hit 7 on accident you can rupture ig

but yeah i'm sure they do die

[thin plinth]

Guys is arterial precision good right now ?

[spice spire]

In what context

[prime hull]

Hmm I lost Deathstalker's mark after the first tentacle.

[spice spire]

It’s a talent that exists

It’s fine

[spice spire]

It shouldn’t have

Unless you ambushed the other one too to line it up but I’ve 0 idea why that would happen

[prime hull]

Is that bug when you kill something with darkest night still in place? That you don't get it back?

[spice spire]

No that’s gone

Thank god

[prime hull]

Not sure what happened then

[spice spire]

Okay but on a wipe on silken yesterday

My dn dropped randomly

Darkest night

I’m not trying to get anyone

I’m gonna log check this shit later

[prime hull]

Speaking of this boss how are you using your cooldowns I'm very confused if I should cooldown on pull or not.

[half moss]

just here to complain about 2 of my kingsbanes being parried by queen in 1 pull

[lone minnow]

guys is there a channel where embelishments are discussed? Don't wanna ask an unnecessary question ;x

[spice spire]

I’m dogshit and am a purple parsing Andy (my gear is also shit but I am too)

[junior shore]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

But I full send like an ape

[normal mist]

leaves

[loud trench]

!lag

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[prime hull]

I guess I'll copy top guy.

[spice spire]

This one @lone minnow

[steel geyser]

Yes

[lone minnow]

you are a lifesaver sir, ty

[spice spire]

Issue there is

[steel geyser]

Send it and pray

[lone minnow]

so for double dawnthread i go wrist/belt

[spice spire]

Are you killing that quick because like.
If you lose a cast it’s GG

[spice spire]

Yeah because those are low impact slots

And 639 is max but craft only goes 636

Plus sockets

[lone minnow]

aight thanks gangster

[spice spire]

Are perma and nice

Any time homie glhf

[prime hull]

It's a 8:30 fight I think you always lose a cast to line it up for damage amps.

[steel geyser]

Wait are you talking about silken not sikran

Mybad

Yes you delay by 40sec

[spice spire]

Oh dude you’re doing mythic

Yeah it’s free on line ups

[weary sky]

Sorry if this was already asked today but how we feelin about the overall/sin changes in 11.0.5?

[spice spire]

Most people that ask are heroic people. Usually most mythic have the line up done

[prime hull]

Haha I kinda did zero research this boss.

[spice spire]

They exist, less buttons and accessibility is good. Complexity is up to the user

[prime hull]

(Don't tell my guildmaster)

[spice spire]

Oh also not BMing everyone plays different and tbh ur real for that

Just not used to mythic questions there

[prime hull]

I'm new to rogue so I've been trying to optimize my rotation and lean on discord for help, I rerolled after our rogue quit mid tier.

[weary sky]

Sounds like they are pretty negligible then lol

Damage wise at least

[prime hull]

Was playing paladin previously and sitting on bench.

[spice spire]

They are

Snd is pretty free to remove

That’s the major change

Feint off cd also big

[spice spire]

Rogue fun. Good shit - you’re gonna kill it

[weary sky]

This is massive

[spice spire]

Sorry

Gcd

But yeah it’s a good one

[weary sky]

SnD is nice too, just felt off pressing it with 1 cp most of the time lol

[molten mist]

spawning dummy before every key to get snd before 1st pull in m+ was a pain

[runic hinge]

That’s why you just don’t do that to save one global and one combo point

[quartz osprey]

Are we looking good with 20th anni patch?

ooft 12 second iron wire and carnage

that feels huge

[raven egret]

no, Iron Wire is capped at 5 sec

[balmy condor]

it's not

[brittle quail]

seems turbo broken

[spice surge]

Iron wire is 5 seconds

[brittle quail]

double vanish

[spice surge]

Or well the silence is still 5 seconds

[balmy condor]

carnage duration is literally a non-issue

[spice surge]

But you can cast it for 12 seconds

But that doesnt matter much

[quartz osprey]

I was just reading the pin about it saying it extends ironw ire with subterfuge?

oh ok

[raven egret]

yeah if you re-cast garotte for the duration itll refresh to 5s but

yeah

[balmy condor]

we had 10 second carnage in dragonflight and no one used the back half of carnage ever

[quartz osprey]

got better stuff to do I suppose

I was thinking might have some niche applications if you really want to shut down a pack of casters

[brittle quail]

i mean its legit almost tank dh level of silence

[spice surge]

Ye supercharger probably better overall

[brittle quail]

seems really cool in m+

[balmy condor]

I mean 12 second carnage sounds really cool until you actually sit there and think about what situation you would ever need 27+ garrotes

[raven egret]

yeah I wonder if its 2/2 supercharge + forced induction or 1/2 lethal still

[balmy condor]

yeah and you're doing 0 dps during it I guess

it's basically exactly what we have now

[spice surge]

2x lethal 1 supercharger 💀

[vital haven]

algrethar

[spice surge]

well no

[balmy condor]

oh shit, we got 6 extra seconds

[spice surge]

Because all the smallies would be dead

[vital haven]

holy shit think about

[spice surge]

And you'd to better damage to them with spatter

[brittle quail]

true i just think in pugs i will carry the ass of those guys that dont cut

[vital haven]

algrethar with 2 outlwa rogues**

[raven egret]

plus I mean, putting a point in Soothing Darkness still feels bad to get to Subterfuge XD

[balmy condor]

yeh probably just a 2x lethality or a supercharger angle

subterfuge still garbage

[brittle quail]

probably but still better than it was

[vital haven]

man i miss expedient sin rogue

garrote was your top dam

[balmy condor]

it's just mindless utility porn for people who fetishize iron wire

[raven egret]

shiv is still a weird trigger, maybe its just me, but feels weird

[bronze fox]

When simming Dawnthread Lining, what's the most realisitic uptime in raid environment?

[brittle quail]

are you kidding ? rtb is a weir trigger for outlaw shiv is just perfect for us

[next dust]

Are changes with slice next week ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

70-80 is fine

[next dust]

Very nice

[balmy condor]

depends on the fight

[raven egret]

I mean, idc about outlaw so... ok?

[spice surge]

Depends heavily on what difficulty and what encounter it is, but the default should be fine

[bronze fox]

Ty

[strong wing]

Can you cloack kyveza phantoms dash to not get the balls debuff?

[spice surge]

Yes

[strong wing]

Im perma diying to the fucking dot

[raven egret]

Shiv just already has quite a bit tied to it, just feels a bit weird to me

[strong wing]

its unreal

[spice surge]

Elusiveness

[strong wing]

Im running elusiveness and still dieying

xD

[brittle quail]

i mean you get automatically big envenom during the cd you want them, seems good idk

[raven egret]

feint off the GCD is BiS AF!

[strong wing]

just to the dot

interphase chillin

never died in interphase in 200 trys

but holy shit the dot destroys me

[cerulean nest]

feeling like cloak is better for the dash rather than intermish

[spice surge]

I think using cloak during the last part of intermission is worth more since you'll be making life easier for everybody else

But you can cloak the dash if you want to, its obviously better for dps

[drifting cloud]

I wanted to cloak dash on reclear today but I didnt get one

[vague flare]

yo - anyone know how to make a mouseover shadowstep macro that will only work on friendly targets?

[viscid spear]

The hallway of eggs in City of Threads?

[strong wing]

In logs how can we see how many times did she dashed through you? Is it casts or hits? Casts right?

[balmy condor]

should just be /cast [@mouseover, help] Shadowstep

[balmy condor]

read eleem

[raven egret]

I mean unless you are running with brain dead groups all the time, theres no real reason to worry about those

[pale wave]

is there a tldr on patch next week and yay or nay?

[balmy condor]

pins

[spice surge]

I dont think theres ever been a situation in this game where there was 20+ mobs that lived for long enough that you also actually needed to kill asap

[vague flare]

not workin, not sure why

[balmy condor]

what are you trying to step

[vague flare]

party member

[balmy condor]

dunno

should work fine

skill issue

[vague flare]

or raid member - i just want to have a specific bind for shadowstepping out at the last moment without accidently sometimes mousing over an enemy and stepping it instead

[brittle quail]

if you think about dmg sure but with bad pug or really good group i'm pretty sure it makes a lot of pull safer

[spice surge]

What

[balmy condor]

[wide sand]

Yo gamers, my guild is on Ovinax and we wanan optimise boss dmg. At what target number does CT become an ST gain with Singular focus? Anybody have numbahs for it?

[cloud yew]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[viscid spear]

Well I wasn't actually serious

[balmy condor]

1

[spice surge]

Idk i cant think of any scenario where there was 20+ mobs that lived for 20+ seconds where all the mobs were relevant and needed to die, 20+ mobs are very rare to begin with

[wide sand]

like 1 extra, so 2? 😄

[balmy condor]

no

like 1

single target

[raven egret]

oh shit we doing some FUNnEl!

[pallid bough]

@balmy condor on PTR, I am losing my 2 stacks of envenom when I have TB on, is that a bug?

[balmy condor]

tf is tb

[pallid bough]

wait

I meant

Twist the knife

[balmy condor]

yeh buggy mess

[pallid bough]

rip

[spice surge]

Theyre independant

The buffs

So they will drop

[pallid bough]

ahh

[balmy condor]

well yes but no

[raven egret]

ironfur style

[spice surge]

Its not like you stack up 2 and then always have 2

[pallid bough]

well

whats happening is I envenom, get 2 stacks

and then mutilate

[sterile iris]

how good is sikrans arsenal for m+ ? looted one in mythic today, not sure what to think, accoring to sims its "better" than my sacbrood 626

[pallid bough]

and it loses the stack

[balmy condor]

that's the first stack falling

[balmy condor]

meh

[pallid bough]

Ohhhhh

I see

[acoustic patrol]

Hey guys. Does anyone know which are the critical and mastery cap. I already. I have the ring of boralus and grim batol and they simulate less the two together than one of them with the ring crafted

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

crit caps at 100%, mastery from gear caps at 126% * 1.7

[spiral quail]

found some weird degen play, you can bank max supercharged CP before the key starts and they remain when the key starts

[barren linden]

you can check your health uptime in Raid

[balmy condor]

correct

[spice surge]

Does key start not reset it down to 2?

[vague flare]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,noharm] Shadowstep

had to do this

[balmy condor]

sure

[vale lantern]

how long till they nerf outlaws 4x grapple do you think after patch release

seems like itd be to much fun

[brittle quail]

its arguably worse than shadowstep + double grapple

[spice surge]

They still have shadowstep on the ptr

Not intended, but they do

[prime hull]

Too be honest I found it very difficult to bind shadowstep and grapple and sprint when playing outlaw, most classes have 2 movement cooldowns not 3.

...I ended up not binding shadowstep.

[brittle quail]

x) in that case i wouldnt bind grapple

with shadowstep you can cheese most movement mecanique

grapple doesnt go through stuff

[brittle quail]

shipping this would be awesome insane mobility

[spice surge]

I would be very surprised if it didnt ship

Fixing bugs hasnt been their strong suit this expac

[brittle quail]

true

if it ship like this im playing outlaw just to zoom everywhere x)

[silent delta]

32

[raw plover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spiral quail]

no, max super charged CP

[spice surge]

Alright, thought it worked like a boss reset

Where it puts you down to 2 (supercharger stacks that is)

[dull cloak]

cp resets to 2 at key start but er charged buff stays

[slate crown]

Any ideas so far on gameplay with TTK (any gameplay around the stack count or just slam envenom during cds like normal) and how it performs or just too buggy to tell rn?

[balmy condor]

rn looks like the same shit as now

[slate crown]

[brittle quail]

with bigger number envenom ? seems like it would just feel good

maybe not a huge gain tho idk

[balmy condor]

it's not a dps change

[brittle quail]

that fine if i can see HUGE envenom

[magic ginkgo]

Does crimson tempest proc deadeye spyglass?

or caustic spatter

or fan of knives

[balmy condor]

sure

why not

it's a hit

[magic ginkgo]

nice

thank you

[novel star]

using my dead guys spyglass to watch your mother changing

teehee

[magic ginkgo]

[novel star]

sorry.

[pliant remnant]

[fluid dagger]

how much of a diff is dawnthread vs ascension in m+?

[mortal badger]

not much

[balmy condor]

all embellishments suck

[drifting wing]

i have a question for spreading bleeds in your opener in a pack
do you tab spread garrotes and ruptures in ur opener, or do you send garrotes and ruptures into ur marked target?
been watching a guide on ytube and it looks like the guy is not tabing to other targets and sends multiple garrotes and ruptures into the same target?

[hallow pelican]

my guess is that goblin island with the giant crystal we're going to in 11.1 is going to have some seriously broken OP embellishments added that are a pain in the ass to get mats for... or not and theyll just continue to suck

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

if dragonflight is the template, crafting is dead after this patch

like by the time 11.1 rolls around

people will use their 2 sparks to craft two embellishments

it'll be giga cheap cause everyone has maxed their knowledge

[novel star]

the what with the who in 11.1

[balmy condor]

and then crafting is not used again

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

there's lore speculation about goblins mining a giant crystal on an island based on flavor text from NPCs in the main town

[novel star]

do we already know 11.1 memes

[balmy condor]

not important

[drifting wing]

oh, that makes it a lot easier
been tab spreading stuff and even with colored platers sometimes have trouble getting to my marked target

[novel star]

i’m not locked in man

[hallow pelican]

Azeroth is the prime world soul and that big fuckin crystal in Hallowfall is a coalesced piece of Azeroth's essence like the Azerite from BfA

[vast pond]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[hallow pelican]

and theres a goblin island that NPCs have been talking about with a crystal on it

[novel star]

i see

[hallow pelican]

11.1 ... goblin raid

[novel star]

didn’t know wow npcs talked about anything at all really

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-hairless-cat-sphynx-cat-sphynx-bingus-meme-gif-26003271

[hallow pelican]

just background noise pieced together with the titan shards u turn in at the archives

[sour oasis]

guys

in mm+

i see

casualaddict

use fan of knives

instead mutilate

in the first boss with 2 targets

[novel star]

mhm

[sour oasis]

at 2 targets we should use fan of knives ?

[novel star]

on deathstalker in m+ yeah

[slate crown]

Apparently also from datamining finding an icon from the raid which is a goblin image or something idn

[sour oasis]

seriously ?

[silk bane]

yea

[sour oasis]

so we only

mutilate

to refreesh the caustif

or if mono

[novel star]

yea

[sour oasis]

pure mono

[slate crown]

yeah

[sour oasis]

wo

[slate crown]

that

sounds

right

[sour oasis]

i am so baaaaad

2k8 rio i am discover this

[bleak hemlock]

I am worse I promise

[novel star]

moment

[sour oasis]

so even in all packs

but i was sure in the guide

i read 3+ targets

[spice surge]

Its not a super big difference either way

[novel star]

the guide 100% mentions 2+ fok on deathstalker

don’t remember where but it is in there

on wowhead at least

it has 3+ first and i think primarily repeats 3+ because that’s the standard rule

ds just changes it

[vast pond]

This is going to be a dumb question, but why do we take sanguine if we aren't pooling above 50%?

[novel star]

deathmark

and it just kinda ends up unavoidably giving value sometimes

but idk i personally don’t take it in raid so i’m not sure who the we is

in m+ you take it because of aoe energy being perma high

[raven egret]

^ alll o that

[novel star]

and the boss rule making it awkward is just an L you hold

fuck man i gotta get out of bed i have worm in 45

we love brood twister onion

[vast pond]

That makes sense for M+. I was meaning for ST raid. I see most of the top parses have it

[novel star]

maybe it sims better for them

[hallow pelican]

check to see how much dmg clear the witnesses is doing

[west crown]

Sounds like sim bait

[novel star]

or just taking it because they want to and it don’t matta that much

[vast pond]

Yeah, doesn't seem like it makes too big of a difference. Thanks guys.

[subtle cipher]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[umbral citrus]

question: does numbing poison works on parasites on ovinax?

[balmy condor]

they should, yeah

you'd want to play numbing for the spiders/worms though regardless

[novel star]

worm

[umbral citrus]

aight ty

[umbral citrus]

we do be in worm prison now

[spice surge]

There is a light at the end of the tunnel, once you kill worm you get to progress kyveza

Very cool boss

[worldly sail]

0,5% wipe on kyveza tonight

[neon thunder]

!wa