#assassination

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snow juniper
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question in M+ ST seeing i run single shive would i want to shiv before Kingbane or as kingbane is ending?

hollow talon
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How do you guys kick stuff in m+ do you use mouse over kick or sum

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I'm trying stick on one target so I can blast w caustic

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Hard to tab target properly

royal lantern
snow juniper
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i have my macro on my middle mouse button and just throw it on the most dangerous caster

royal lantern
thorn fjord
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yeah same

crimson zephyr
vast loom
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but usually just tab target for me

empty timber
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among all the available builds, is there one easier to play than another for raid ? i just switched back from subtlety and can't remember anything about current assa xD

royal lantern
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not really

empty timber
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Feels like i'm always out of energy with bleed build

royal lantern
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thats part of assa

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running out of energy is part of the gameplay

runic hinge
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!design

prisma monolithBOT
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
crimson zephyr
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what are the soft and hard dr cap (or whatever it's called) for haste?

oblique sorrel
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Ideally you wanna stay above 150 energy in single target ?

royal lantern
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no

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you maximize envenom uptime

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and if you play with sanguine bladess, you avoide being above 150 energy

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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

  • For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
  • For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

vast loom
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how does staying under 50% lead to more envenoms? as long as you dont waste energy you should get the same right?

royal lantern
runic hinge
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if you have sanguine and go above 50% it'll eat your energy

vast loom
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yeah but if you spend 1000 energy either way isnt it the same? as long as none was wasted?

royal lantern
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and if you play with sanguine blades, you lose energy if you go above 50% cus sanguine blades then eats energy that could have been envenoms away

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and in ST builds, you play vicious venoms

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which means mut/ambushs more dmg

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so you wanna use mut/ambush more often

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aka use energy

vast loom
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well if you dont play sanguine blades does it matter?

spice spire
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No but that isn’t the point made

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The whole thing started by saying “if you play with sanguine blades”

royal lantern
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if you play sanguine bladess, you dont wanna be above 50% cus sanguine blades eatss energy

if you dont play it (aka raid builds) you dont wanna be above 50% cus you could use the energy for doing dmg with envenom/re-proccing DN faster

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like, just see 50% energy as the "i should use abilitys now" mark

zenith tree
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Is there a general gemming guide anywhere?

runic hinge
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Whatever the sims provide

cobalt sphinx
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Yeah that note isn’t worded or explained very well at all

spice spire
oblique sorrel
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I found a damage decrease if I dropped below 10% haste but that’s with the gear I got

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In m+ that was

royal lantern
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allright?

runic hinge
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is this your own personal anecdote or is this from a sim?

oblique sorrel
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Sim said
I would do more with something I replaced but I went to re sim it and it took an hour

limpid hearth
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Haste loses value in aoe no?

spring prawn
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do we still use bubblin wax mh? or manaoil/whetstone better?

oblique sorrel
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But before my overall was like 1.3 and after it was 1

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Mil

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I don’t know I hate the spec but outlaw isn’t even comparable anymore 😦

spice spire
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Stats aren’t real they can’t hurt you

royal lantern
spice spire
royal lantern
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sounds more like a error

spice spire
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But bubbling wax is decent

royal lantern
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in your inputs

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ye, wax is the "kinda free" alternative

double whetstone is the best, Wax+whetstone or Wax+oil is like 0,2-0,3% worse

oblique sorrel
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I’m dunno I’m an average player just looking to improve

spice spire
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All we can do

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Is aim to improve

cursive pasture
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!restealth

prisma monolithBOT
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Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
  • While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
runic hinge
spice spire
runic hinge
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Don't log stalk me

royal lantern
zenith tree
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The real reason I play nelf is for the resealths on trash Surebud

sinful shale
royal lantern
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lets just say

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i was a bit to fast with the "run back" on the group pull

thorn fjord
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That was my prog sikran kill hehehe

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We’re private logging now tho

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So all my juicy parses are wasted

pure star
spice surge
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It sims higher for them

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Or they like it more

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Overall theres very little difference

thorn fjord
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It sims higher for me now and I prefer it

pure star
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Fuck didn’t even think of that

thorn fjord
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I can’t do dmg playing VV for whatever reason

royal lantern
pure star
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Guess I’ll go sim

thorn fjord
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Play whatever you’re more comfortable with

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I can’t rock the non imp gar builds

pure star
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I don’t mind adapting just really didn’t know the reason why

frank pollen
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This might be a stupid question but, how does Echoing Reprimand work? The tooltip is all over the place.

thorn fjord
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Preference really at this point

verbal flower
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is skardyns not bis for sin anymore?

royal lantern
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it is

thorn fjord
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Don’t need to send in any order

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If it lands on blue send

verbal flower
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just checking the Fuu sims, says transmitter and sacbrood

thorn fjord
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Transmitter is a meme don’t @ me

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But for what it’s worth my 606 Grace still sims higher than any other non mythic option

strong vortex
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Am i missing something, or why Sudden Demise doesnt proc some times?

royal lantern
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wdym with that

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the threshold for it is REALLY low, most of the time

timber meadow
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will logs normalize the raid buff?

frank pollen
royal lantern
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the "execute" is like 2-3% of your dmg in most dungeons, if at all

timber meadow
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i.e remove it basically

crimson vector
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if you use bubbling wax in main hand what should you use in your offhand?

spice spire
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Whetstone or oil

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Whetstone is better

royal lantern
thorn fjord
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MUCH cheaper hehe

spice spire
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Oil is chesper

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Dude listen

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I have like 5 conversations irl and I’m here

thorn fjord
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I dropped to 7k gold Sunday lol

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Had to buy a token

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Was holding out for anniversary

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Hoping token goes up for that… it should

strong vortex
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In logs enemies die from something else, when they have bleed on them.

crimson vector
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algari mana oil right?

spice spire
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Yes

crimson vector
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sick ty

royal lantern
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most of the time it doesnt do anything

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you play the talent cus of the 10% bleed dmg

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not for the "execute"

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that part is just a very small QoL thing that makes a small part of your bleed dmg not fully wasted

strong vortex
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At 35%, if bleed that left extends(?) there HP multiplied by 150%(?) - they die, isnt it?

royal lantern
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yes

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reminder that your bleeds sdont do millions of dmg

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and that enemys literally HAVE millions of hp

strong vortex
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But some times i can see 1-2 mil damage from sudden death... i want more executions... 😦

warped kiln
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on the new sim

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to sim it's an up

primal jolt
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do you guys have cold blood macrod to anything?

thorn fjord
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Envenom

primal jolt
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deadass?

thorn fjord
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yeah

primal jolt
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i mean it make ssense tbh

thorn fjord
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Your first env should be without CB though then you can use the macro for the rest of the fight

primal jolt
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yeee

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smart

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ty smart man

thorn crater
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dumdum question

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how do i sim/compare embellishments?

craggy oyster
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Hello guys is there a way to have ambush / mutilate on one key depending on the ambush out of stealth proc ?

craggy oyster
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Oh my bad the tooltip doesn't change cause i have a startattack macro

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fuck me ty

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forgot

uneven plume
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any1 got any cooks for ptr M+ and raid builds?

solar orbit
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why do people use a startattack macro? doesn't casting a spell already do that?

thorn fjord
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I dont even know what that is

runic hinge
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classic players maybe

solar orbit
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You put /startattack at the end of a spell in a macro so you start auto attacking

zenith cedar
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its a bit of a relic of older timers

craggy oyster
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yeah been using that for ages never changed

uneven plume
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dont overcook it

thorn fjord
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Think you'll auto attack now if you're in combat

craggy oyster
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Also lets say if u have no energy instead of standing spammin mutilate it just starts aa i think

zenith cedar
thorn fjord
zenith cedar
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You should have it in your macros, it's good, don't question it

cinder bone
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my god i've never seen worse 2400io players in my life than this season. Imagine not knowing you need to direct your flame to destroy earth spikes first boss stonevault

zenith cedar
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Your rogue ancestors did it, and you will to

thorn fjord
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This season has been pretty cancerous

solar orbit
uneven plume
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and leave one

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but pugs fuck it up

solar orbit
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yeah, image I saw said that

royal lantern
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lmao

primal jolt
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first raid of this expansion after a break

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👴

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parsing 64

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with my 570 gear

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feels old man

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ilvl parse

solar orbit
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do you parse higher if you use potion?

zenith cedar
coral ibex
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if you pot and die you don't parse higher XDD

solar orbit
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was asking because I think I have two logs that were roughly equal in terms of rotation, but one parsed significantly higher

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And I used the potion in one of those logs

coral ibex
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cant say without seeing the logs

keen eagle
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anyone know if auth of radiant power stacks? like is it better to have 1 wep w/ depths and 1 w/ power or both weps w/ same enchant depending on content?

coral ibex
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pots are like 2%? idk

mint kindle
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What's the budget version of Ironclaw Whetstone?

solar orbit
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algari mana oil

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
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Or mana oil

uneven plume
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arent rank 2s like 100g

vast pond
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Anything exciting for the next patch?

uneven plume
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feint off gcd

bitter solar
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you can take slice and dice off your bars

vast pond
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Definitely a plus

uneven plume
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certain talents add on, instead of overlap

mint kindle
uneven plume
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like iron wire

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MA

mint kindle
slate crown
hollow stone
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obv you do you, but I would recommend that

thorn fjord
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I wouldnt even bother putting that in anything tbh

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You dont need it lol

hollow stone
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agreed

errant mauve
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Don’t you start auto attacking automatically after using an ability

thorn fjord
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This is what i understood but someone said no?

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Pretty sure theyre wrong tho

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but im not going to argue

errant mauve
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Who said it didnt?

thorn fjord
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Burgah

random fossil
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i just had to give rash cloak to my tank

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im in shambles

royal lantern
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"manualy pressing start auto attacks" has not been a thing for more time then 80% of the playerbase actually plays the game now

thorn fjord
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hehe

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Weird thinking I was a freshman in college when wow dropped

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BUT HERE WE ARE OLD AF

late surge
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wtf old

royal lantern
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i was like like, 11 when i started playing wow mate

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im 27 now

thorn fjord
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Sorry i was a senior in highschool

late surge
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I was in my sandbox when wow dropped

royal lantern
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still playing the same character

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this rogue saw some shit

thorn fjord
hollow stone
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swapped rogue in icc, never looked back

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except those tiers I played hunter but shh

runic hinge
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I played feral til SLs4/DF

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Now idk why I didn't play rogue sooner

primal jolt
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can anyone hook me up with the ability sequences inside of KB talking about tea and shiv

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i cant seem to find it on wowehad

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head

spice surge
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Tea if you need energy during shiv

primal jolt
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the seconds of whien i click

runic hinge
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DM>shiv>kb, shiv again with 8 seconds left on kb

native heron
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
tough trail
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offtopic, but where is the best place to search for ppl to join for m+? Like I need a team to push with, this puglife is killing me

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is there any community?

slim pebble
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11 GB was going so well, and then we hit the hallway going to dragon boss

primal jolt
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xd

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tysm

sonic schooner
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Raiderio has a LFG thing

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otherwise my best advice and the one from anyone will be add bnet people you got good exp with in m+ and go vibe together

runic hinge
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and only during shiv

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and not with shiv every time either

lunar pond
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was there some change to Heaving Wretch in NW on the first boss? I was just doing an 11 and had the breath hit for 17mil through my evasion. We basically had timed Clos and Evasion to avoid the 1 shot

primal jolt
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noted

spring sigil
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Damn my parse on heoric court is crap

coral ibex
lunar pond
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right, that is why i said time Clos. which means if you get targeted 2+ times we used to be in a bad spot. Evasion was working prior to reset, so we had to CDs

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timed* / two

coral ibex
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idk what Clos is bro sorry

spice spire
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Your back wasn’t turned

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Right

lunar pond
coral ibex
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idk i live with feint and eva

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eva doesn’t work if you don’t face the target

lunar pond
soft junco
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Someone is good in addons here ?

spice spire
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@slate crown

slate crown
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I mean maybe

spring sigil
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Is Depths quite a big ST increase vs Radiant power

slate crown
soft junco
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I have this, do you know which addons, is the adds and dodge bar ?

pastel onyx
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bigwigs

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prob

slate crown
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It looks like bigwigs

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but

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you can type this: /framestack and it will show the name of every frame under your cursor (it will make your screen go crazy, heads up)

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mouse over them, and it will have a frame name, and that can give you a hint

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But, I would check bigwigs first

spice spire
spice spire
shy creek
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In mythic+, do you shiv instead during the last 8 seconds of kingsbane, or do you shiv before KB? This is one charge kingsbane mythic+

soft junco
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@slate crownThanks for the answer, i will check that

onyx gyro
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Any big changes for assassin next Tuesday?

runic hinge
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No more er

frosty bridge
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how good is naked kingsbane im mplus btw

scenic nacelle
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Some QoL stuff

frosty bridge
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is it worth running double on use

vast loom
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KB is good but its not everything

runic hinge
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Subterfuge extends like everything

vast loom
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i run mandate + grace

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but thats just cuz i like chomping shit

crimson zephyr
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do we care about the trinket from grim batol?

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seems everyones crazy for it

onyx gyro
vast loom
spice spire
blazing gale
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Hey Guys, about crafting: I would start with Crafting a Dagger, but how do you decide on the second item?

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does it matter?

onyx gyro
crimson zephyr
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nice

pastel onyx
spice surge
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Are options depending on what other items you have

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If you have shitty boots then theyre a good craft for example

scenic nacelle
blazing gale
onyx gyro
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RC?

hoary acorn
scenic nacelle
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Resounding Clarity

outer sundial
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you mean ER

scenic nacelle
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errr yea Reprimand

subtle tundra
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yea that 1 huge gcd

cerulean osprey
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When does the snd and feint changes go live?

royal lantern
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next reset

cerulean osprey
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Thank you

muted ridge
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im confused

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do we play MA on ST or Improved Poisons?

prisma monolithBOT
hoary acorn
thorn crater
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!embellish

prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

primal jolt
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89 healing parse just now

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am i the best sin rogue or what

sullen mural
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no

primal jolt
sullen mural
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You wanna know whats sad

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my mage always gets a 99 healing log

primal jolt
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whats sad

sullen mural
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cuz he presses barrier

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thats how bad mage players are

primal jolt
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who the fuck has barrier binded

sullen mural
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Like bruh

muted ridge
late surge
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when do I vanish with MA

sullen mural
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Dont think I've seen someone actually play MA anymore

spice spire
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Of stuff that works

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No thoughts only saying “sim and see which is better”

late surge
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🙂

safe barn
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

  • Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
  • Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
  • Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
  • While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
  • You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
spice spire
safe barn
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ok, not what i was looking for

sullen mural
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I mean its like 4% picked on most fights

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just looks bad

warm shard
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anyone know if it would be worthwhile to run Treacherous Transmitter and Skardyn's grace and just alternate them usiong one with death mark and kb and the other with just KB?

sullen mural
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but didnt sim it myself yet lets see

spice spire
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And if you have that combo

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It’s probably better to do it that way

sullen mural
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What would you do with MA tho

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im garrote+ma - vv ig?

warm shard
spice spire
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Idk possibly

late surge
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@sullen mural

spice spire
late surge
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but when do I vanish with ma

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xd

spice spire
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Vanish envenom (not on dn)

late surge
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no diff or wat

sullen mural
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at end of kingsbane

spice spire
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I legitimately think it’s just a kb amp

sullen mural
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yeah it is

spice spire
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Even if kb is GIGA nerfed

sullen mural
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and to refresh

spice spire
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Can’t you just

sullen mural
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your im garrote

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makes the most sense to do it ends of kingsbane

spice spire
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Yoink the sim

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And see the sequencing

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?

spice spire
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In the report

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That was disabled

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Due to sim size

ancient bridge
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bro dont post your name i here lol

spice spire
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Why

sullen mural
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Why not

late surge
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wat

sullen mural
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you think we gonna hunt him down

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or what

spice spire
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Who actually cares enough

late surge
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Im about to be doxed

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gee gee

thorn fjord
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My name is Mike

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Come find me

sullen mural
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Buckrogue is on my list now

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its over for you

obsidian walrus
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quick noob question. Caustic spatter just needs to be refreshed right. So if theres like 10 mobs, Im FoKing but lsipping a mut in there every so often?

dapper cradle
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Gonna hunt you down and eat your ass

late surge
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buckrogue on int list

warm vortex
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anyone know why posion pact ring is simming worse than my current rings
got 2 mast/crit rings

winged basin
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So I guess I could answer my own question here by checking logs and seeing if my uptime is good, but do yall track envenom buff? I purple and orange parse, but the other rogue in my group asked me last night about how I handle refreshing, and I didn’t know how to answer him because I don’t track it, i just always assumed unless bleeds need reapplied you don’t care and slam envenom.

late surge
spring sigil
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Hate raiding with my ret paladin mate. presses 2 buttons, does top damage, literally a range dps xD

pliant falcon
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Any suggestions for a good plater on assa?

compact stirrup
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!lag

prisma monolithBOT
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Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

late surge
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
winged basin
late surge
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where the smart people when I need

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😠

coral ibex
warm vortex
undone flame
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is it worth takeing this for now even if its an downgrade?

winged basin
runic hinge
late surge
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mastery is giga in aoe

spice spire
warm vortex
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Aight so i just swap my rings out for aoe and st

spice spire
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If not

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Run er again

heavy canopy
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I've crafted Wrists and Waist with embellishments at 636 and I have two BiS Hero-track daggers - do I craft a 636 dagger, or do I just use a Hero track dagger?

coral ibex
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if you keep spamming envenoms you eventually get to a point of 0 energy 0 cp and your envenom drops while you rebuild

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which is worse than maintaining

warm vortex
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Mqm seems good for m+ right?

winged basin
spice spire
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Ur bis weapon is just

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A 639

heavy canopy
late surge
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thanks

coral ibex
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i don’t see your logs but i suspect your ilvl is carrying your logs if you’re not playing around your buff uptime

sullen mural
spice spire
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And why upgrade your stuff when u just roll mythic track

winged basin
thorn fjord
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There’s not a lot of rng but there is some

spice spire
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Blindside

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Crits

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Like

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That’s all rng

sullen mural
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Blindside rng is my fav

coral ibex
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you can just low roll crit luck and blindside procs

late surge
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I love mutilating 3x

coral ibex
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and go oom super hard

late surge
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for 1 finisher

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feels amazig

sullen mural
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If it procs on first mutilate in the pull its so good

#

If the pull starts and I see free ambush i always feel amazing

spice spire
late surge
#

where I see apl

#

I still blind I think

late surge
#

yummy

winged basin
#

fair fair, I just didn’t think pooling whatsoever was worth for Deathstalker, guess I should fix that a little bit

thorn fjord
#

You can choose to not do it

#

By you’ll have a harder time

late surge
#

rank 1 log sikran

#

uses vanish for garrote

#

with MA

#

hmmge

sullen mural
#

In last seconds of kingsbane or

thorn fjord
#

What was the kill time

winged basin
#

Hmm will keep it in mind, tbf I guess that’s the downside to seeing the pretty color numbers on WowLogs and going yup, this is fine.

late surge
#

4:58

late surge
#

pandemic on garrote

#

vanish at 14 sec

late surge
#

thanks bro

#

pepsi max is goated

sullen mural
#

I like vv tho

late surge
#

then play it

#

wont make a difference ngl

sullen mural
#

yeah

sullen mural
#

not like you perform to your sim anyways

spice spire
#

It’s 14s every time

sullen mural
#

those 13k dps dont matter

spice spire
#

It’s just for garrote

late surge
#

yeah

#

lulE

#

so nth changes

#

okie

#

thanks

spice spire
#

Xdddd

late surge
winged basin
sullen mural
#

Do you

late surge
#

no

#

almost

jaunty hill
#

Is this a simtrap, it even outsims so called Bis trinkets

sullen mural
#

Yeah im close aswell

late surge
#

now question is

#

how do I pad first boss

modest nexus
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
late surge
#

brood talents

sullen mural
#

You pay your fury

#

to not kill them

#

and mage

#

and forst dk

#

frost*

late surge
#

I go brood talents

#

W strat

shy sorrel
#

Do you use Crimson Tempest in cleave?

#

like two or three mobs

sullen mural
#

Raid or

shy sorrel
#

m+

late surge
#

use on 2 if specced im p sure

keen nacelle
#

Hey! is Lingering darkness on a cd?

sullen mural
#

Yeah 2 in m+

fresh barn
#

i turned 16 in as well and my % was still 0 probably bugged

thorn fjord
thorn fjord
#

But im psure it was working tho

runic hinge
#

They released a statement saying it’s working but tooltip bugged

gilded oasis
thorn fjord
#

THATS WHAT I SAID GUYS GAWD

spice spire
#

Yeah but you didn’t say it in blue

fresh barn
#

its 2.2% each 16 ? what is the cap for it

runic hinge
#

You also said pretty sure

#

Instead of 100% sure

coral ibex
#

its 3%

gilded oasis
#

I know people dont believe shit unless you show them

#

no its not 3%

thorn fjord
gilded oasis
#

18% guessed cap right now

coral ibex
#

ok i didn't just make up the 3% lol

#

i def saw it on wowhead

thorn fjord
#

Wonder how they even landed on the 2.25% number

coral ibex
#

good to know

thorn fjord
#

Random

gilded oasis
#

yeah it was datamined but ended up not being right

#

maybe they had the number they wanted it to end at and divided it by the weeks

#

idk

#

its blizzard

#

they probably used a random number generator

thorn fjord
#

Manatee's

gilded oasis
#

thatd be dope

fresh barn
#

18% is a lot tho

grim jay
#

so it gotta be something

spice spire
thorn fjord
#

Instead of nerfing bosses to the ground they’re buffing the raid groups

#

Will it work? Find out on the next episode of DBZ

worthy surge
#

hi all 5 targets before using crimson temp or 3 ?

gleaming geyser
#

same as ritual blade

coral ibex
#

it might not be bad stat wise

#

but having to rip a 1.5s cast blows

#

full stop

gleaming geyser
#

not much different than puzzle box and people played that

agile geode
#

Anyone who’s good with UI’s?

spring sigil
#

i really want better parses in raid D:

winter vapor
#

what to do when sims show using 2 on use trinkets is better

drifting wing
#

in keys, do you open with ambush or garrote in packs? not sure what to do, first time playing

spice spire
#

Otherwise garrote

winter vapor
spring sigil
#

Is 1.238M DPS about right for 625 itlvl?

solar orbit
#

Does DN proc take higher priority than CT on the opener?

normal mist
spring sigil
#

96 on rasha but then a 92 on ulgrax

#

80 on broodtwister which is bad

normal mist
#

then you're doing good dps

#

80 = you did a better job than 80% of the rogues that parsed that boss

#

80 = bad is kinda weird

boreal pond
#

since nerubar finery is warbound, could you not turn the quest in on multiple characters to get more buff?

keen spruce
#

80 isn’t bad ICANT

spring sigil
#

think my friend is getting to me since he's playing ret pala and has all high 90s xD

normal mist
#

you CANT compare rogue to paladin

spring sigil
#

I do hate his range for a melee dps lol

boreal pond
bronze marsh
#

our ret paladin hekili's 98's in every hc reclear lol

runic hinge
crimson current
#

98s 99s every fight

dawn heath
#

Does feint work on voidrush in COT?

crimson current
#

only with elusiveness ig

spring sigil
#

That makes me feel better xD

crimson current
#

i use elusiveness on cot cause of those dots

reef oxide
#

what exactly about deathstalker makes it so you want to be under 50% energy? i dont see anything in the hero tree that relates to energy

keen spruce
#

80% of Rets can’t tie their own shoes so parsing surely must be easier

runic hinge
#

My guild has 3 warriors and a dk so me parsing on brood is impossible

normal mist
runic hinge
thorn crater
#

can someone help me make sense how ascendance + dawnthread sims higher than ascendance + duskthread? (both ST and DS)

reef oxide
#

isnt that 50% figure a bit misleading then?

normal mist
#

The way i play, even if i didnt read that part, i'd be below 50% nontheless

thorn crater
#

duskthread is the nerubian buff yes?

stark ravine
#

Hi fellow rogues, silly question if I'm not running improved garrote and master assassin. What do I use vanish for? Ambush?

arctic socket
#

Ambush if your mark falls off

stark ravine
#

else just save ?

arctic socket
#

Pretty much

slim pebble
#

These cursed enchants really dont sim that well for me

stark ravine
#

tyty!

reef oxide
runic hinge
runic hinge
#

Crazy right?

runic hinge
thorn fjord
slim pebble
#

Got Umbriss band from my last GB. stonkS

runic hinge
#

I don’t really have energy problems in ST anyways

static glacier
#

@balmy condor @spice spire we switched strat and i didnt have to grief lust cds, ended up with rank 7 boss, 8 overall on the kill. first pull of the night and it dies anticlimactically :l

arctic socket
thorn fjord
#

Happens to the best of us breh

reef oxide
#

also envenom gets harder to maintain

runic hinge
thorn fjord
#

Sitting here waiting for my boss to leave so I can run keys

thorn crater
thorn fjord
thorn crater
#

passive tea next week

runic hinge
#

Yeah same. I don’t do the shiv thing. Too ingrained to press when I need energy

tired gull
#

you can still use tea like normal

thorn fjord
#

I have tea and shiv macro'd

runic hinge
#

You can still press the button next week

thorn crater
#

wait really?

runic hinge
#

Yes

thorn fjord
#

So if i hit shiv and tea is available its going

reef oxide
#

yes

thorn crater
#

doesnt it procc on its own though

runic hinge
#

Yes

thorn crater
#

when u go unedr 50%?

thorn fjord
#

30

runic hinge
#

Under 30 energy

#

Not %

thorn crater
#

so u gotta maintain 30 energy huh

runic hinge
#

And you can still press it’ll just trigger on its own

#

For min max sure

thorn crater
#

new minigame

reef oxide
#

im going to be honest, i dont think i like the tea change

thorn crater
#

take away ER to give us tea minigame lmfao

thorn fjord
#

I havent gotten rid of the shiv+tea macro tho... so theres that

runic hinge
#

I mean it’s not really a mini game

#

You can just full send and it’s fine. Energy is the large majority of the value of tea

#

The mastery is whatever

thorn crater
#

i mean ye but i like holding it if i know a cd is comin up

thorn fjord
#

We trying to press buttons out here

thorn crater
#

meh

runic hinge
#

The sim difference between full sending and staying above 30 is gonna be like .4%

thorn fjord
#

yeah it wont matter

thorn crater
#

i guess

runic hinge
#

If that

thorn crater
#

gotta get used to subterfuge as well or?

reef oxide
#

.4 isnt nothing

lucid silo
#

should i bind transmitter to deathmark

runic hinge
#

It’s not nothing but if I send one on first kb I’ll have one for every kb regardless

odd ingot
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
thorn fjord
#

.4 is less than 7-8k

#

It aint shit lol

runic hinge
#

I’m not usually sending 2 teas in a kb

thorn fjord
#

or its somewhere around that

#

But again super insignificant

reef oxide
#

all the little tiny optimizations are like .3 or .4

thorn fjord
#

But its not a huge issue

reef oxide
#

if you ignore all of them its like 2-3 % damage

#

it adds up

runic hinge
#

Sure they add up but I’m not ignoring all of them

#

Just one

reef oxide
#

i just dont think its that binary. Its not hard to not full send tea

#

i will yolo use 1 charge occasionally

#

when i think i will drop envenom

runic hinge
#

Correct but sometimes I wanna press buttons or I am running low cause I had to refresh both bleeds or I hit 4 muts in a row to get to 7 and now I need to hit garrote

spice spire
#

Like

runic hinge
#

Like I said the energy is like >80% of the value of tea

reef oxide
#

yeah refreshing mark is rough some times

spice spire
#

It’s not purely passive

#

You can just keep it and use it as necessary if you’re worried about it

#

Just can’t hit 30 >:3

balmy condor
#

Wait, bro saying 0.3% adds up and then admits to playing it wrong

runic hinge
#

Yeah my robot got me at like 21% crit so sometimes it’s a lot of mut to get to 7 kekW

balmy condor
#

Crazy work

reef oxide
#

is using a single charge sometimes wrong?

dawn heath
#

i saw speed having some countdown on like demolisher slams, and ground pounds in SV how do u set this up with text to speech is it just weakauras or something else?

thorn fjord
#

Hi @balmy condor

reef oxide
#

i thought you need 2

dawn heath
#

anyone know what he uses?

balmy condor
#

Outside of CDs?

#

Yes

runic hinge
#

70 energy per mutilate

bronze marsh
mystic osprey
#

Hi @balmy condor

bronze marsh
#

I'm sure there's WA for it too

reef oxide
#

im confused, we have 3 charges

dawn heath
bronze marsh
#

yeah

reef oxide
#

2 cover the kingsbane window

runic hinge
#

Pressing tea outside shiv is wrong

#

Always

dawn heath
#

ok

runic hinge
#

I just don’t care

dawn heath
#

hm

mystic osprey
#

How's sin gonna go with supercharger instead of ER

runic hinge
#

It’s gonna go for sure

thorn fjord
arctic socket
#

Probably really well

arctic socket
cinder quartz
#

into the trash unfortunately. time to reroll survival hunter

arctic socket
#

You’re wrong

mystic osprey
arctic socket
#

If you’re not blasting all 3 charges at the start of the pull

#

You don’t know the tech

runic hinge
balmy condor
cinder quartz
#

i tea between packs to RP as a british person

runic hinge
#

Bro slice and dice as passive are we so back?

thorn fjord
#

Pinkies up

runic hinge
#

Jesus I’m not playing again until Tuesday

arctic socket
#

Make sure yall equip your one handed swords / maced while your pooling

#

To get the most dps

thorn fjord
#

Only thing im excited about is Feint

#

man oh man

#

cant wait

vestal wren
royal lantern
vestal wren
#

its just a diffrent button

spice spire
royal lantern
fickle lotus
#

Feint is gonna be great, tea changes gonna be awful for someone like me having to constantly watch my energy to make sure I don't auto proc 😭

vestal wren
#

you don't hard cast it in 11.0.5

balmy condor
#

I give up

vestal wren
#

but you still need to use evis before rupture

cinder quartz
#

I'm tea-maxxing and subterfuge-pilled. I'm in my master assassin arc

silk bane
runic hinge
#

But be fr

thorn fjord
proven jasper
silk bane
#

Okay you’re unhinged af today

proven jasper
#

LMFAO

silk bane
#

I’m telling your wife

#

But also same

royal lantern
thorn fjord
#

Death by snu snu

silk bane
#

One can only dream

reef oxide
#

what is happening

silk bane
#

It’s called gooning get with the times

thorn fjord
#

OT #2

vestal wren
# runic hinge But be fr

using evis instead is better as it removes a keybind, i prefered premeditation for applying it

thorn fjord
#

Buncha goofers

silk bane
#

Holy fuck I hate autocorrect

tired gull
#

goofing is 10x better than gooning

thorn fjord
silk bane
#

I never goof when I’m talking about gooning

balmy condor
#

Open chat
someone using tea wrong
dooming about auto proc
thatsNotHowWeUseTea.png
45 seconds pass
man I’m gonna need to really watch my energy tea change is awful
brain melts
skull is now a bread bowl for my brain soup
finally happy

thorn fjord
#

I never thought about it

vestal wren
thorn fjord
#

ah

lucid silo
#

idk how we even use tea anymore and it seems to be fine

reef oxide
#

would be nice to know why its wrong

#

i dont know why

balmy condor
#

We press the button during shiv for energy

cinder quartz
#

tea is useful for when your tank doesn't let you restealth so you're low on energy BrainAge

cinder quartz
silk bane
#

Or u know.d put a few ruptures out

lucid silo
#

using tea slightly suboptimally really triggers people

vestal wren
warm vortex
#

If we are lacking ad damageo n queen

silk bane
#

Yep yep yep

warm vortex
#

is it worth it to go tempest

fickle lotus
#

who would have thought the game that has a ton of tiny lil micro optimizations would attract people who want to min max

balmy condor
#

Idc when other people use their buttons, it’s not my parse

cinder quartz
#

i use tea on 2nd shiv because i like using it suboptimally. feelsmaxxing

warm vortex
#

like drop 2 VV for temp?

orchid wind
#

i think this question has been asked a lot, but if my darkest night is active, garrote and rupture and envenom falling off , what has the most priority at first ? Darkest night > Rupture > garrote ?

silk bane
#

Okay that can’t be possible

#

What

runic hinge
silk bane
#

How are u low on ad damage on queen. Which part exactly

balmy condor
#

But pretending like tea change is some magical void that loses you damage

orchid wind
balmy condor
#

Is just fucking dumb

warm vortex
#

Well not so much lacking damage, more so like they are licving a bit long
phase 3 ones

#

Lil buigs

slim pebble
#

I think we run CT on mythic Ovinax

balmy condor
royal lantern
#

the tea change is a minor annoyance at best

BUT its still kinda stupid and should be a chose 1 node

silk bane
#

I mean I press envenom and it does big aoe damage instant vs a dot

cinder quartz
#

@balmy condor whats your favorite flavor of ice cream

royal lantern
mystic osprey
silk bane
#

That needs to tick like 3 times to match the envenom damage u just did

fickle lotus
#

Well yes it will result in a loss of dmg if you're not looking at your energy every time you press a button xddentge

cinder quartz
#

yummy paint

balmy condor
mystic osprey
cinder quartz
#

outlaw vanishes like every 20s they can stop crying

orchid wind
#

i feel like on some bosses my st is a lil bad FeelsWeird

balmy condor
vestal wren
balmy condor
#

Lotta numbers there

mild crane
#

All 4 on 626 ilvl, which one do i choose in raid and which ones do i choose for m+? I find it hard to sim them, is it worth for instance to pick skardyn's and Treacherous stransmitter together in a way?

silk bane
#

Is all I’m saying

mystic osprey
#

I am an outlaw rogue but id rather my tank chain pull than sit there and wait for me to stealth

orchid wind
balmy condor
#

Yeah

orchid wind
barren epoch
#

is acrobatic strikes uptime something to prioritize ?

fickle lotus
#

no

limber lion
#

lol

#

read what it does

royal lantern
#

"acro uptime" is just "be in melee range"

which is kinda what you want

cinder quartz
#

okay please don't kill me but i genuinely am stupid. for caustic spatter, your bleeds don't spread right? just your Kingsbane, Envenom, and any deadly poison?

balmy condor
limber lion
#

no

#

just like the tooltip says, "poison damage" is spread

vestal wren
limber lion
#

bleeds are not poison

silk bane
tired gull
#

i'm gonna spatter

reef oxide
orchid wind
vestal wren
tired gull
#

@cinder quartz that is a FOUL emoji

orchid wind
silk bane
thorn fjord
vestal wren
mystic osprey
#

She spatter on my poison til I kingsbane on her death mark

vestal wren
#

(just joking)

orchid wind
cinder quartz
#

she zollin on my dyck til i recipe

thorn fjord
#

im totally going to spatter

orchid wind
#

( i mainly play dota ) OMEGAKEKW

vestal wren
#

damn, not even lol

warm vortex
#

then again

#

thats most likely cause we are missing our fury war

#

lmao

orchid wind
#

fuu bro you remember me ?

silk bane
thorn fjord
mystic osprey
#

Bars

silk bane
#

Now this is the sin chat I missed

cinder quartz
#

@silk bane make it work

reef oxide
#

brain rot chat?

orchid wind
#

i used to ask a lot of question from you xD, was a trash sub rogue back then, i think i got into your nerves, you didn't answer my DM's anymore @vestal wren Cheesin

thorn fjord
#

Ive been in Fuu's DM's

#

good times 😉

silk bane
#

I mean don’t dm people just ask in the chat

orchid wind
#

yeah it's fun in there

vestal wren
silk bane
#

I don’t respond to most dms I get either

fickle lotus
#

ya'll get dms?

thorn fjord
#

And tony 🙂

vestal wren
#

its more likely that i lost the message, my mobile phone sometimes marks messages as read

royal lantern
limber lion
#

suddenly the dm's stopped when I dropped the green

vestal wren
#

or i was busy

silk bane
limber lion
#

it's been pretty blissful recently

silk bane
#

wtf

mystic osprey
cinder quartz
#

i said babe i've got an improved shiv but she said na thats just a tiny toxic blade

orchid wind
#

fuu and whispyr is mvp fr

thorn fjord
mystic osprey
agile geode
#

i need name help. and it has to have lemon in it

silk bane
cinder quartz
dense cloud
#

3 minute +10 siege

silk bane
#

Bros cooking

fallen arch
#

What diabolical witchcraft is this

fickle lotus
mystic osprey
#

She like the way I envenom so I twist the knife and thistle tea on her death mark

silk bane
#

That’s dark af

mystic osprey
thorn fjord
mystic osprey
#

Actually reading again it might be

crystal sierra
#

what in tarnation, realms down?

cinder quartz
#

i made her scent of blood my singluar focus, and now i taste a fatal concoction despite my sanguine stratagem. improved garrote

silk bane
#

Bro put improved garrote there thinking no one notices

#

wtf is that

#

U burned the kitchen man

cinder quartz
spring sigil
#

Question on queen

#

noticed deathmark and KB is up just in time for the last set of pools before boss jumps to middle

#

should i be hanging onto them

spring sigil
#

and then using during p2?

fickle lotus
thorn fjord
fickle lotus
#

then send

spring sigil
#

Good good

thorn crater
#

hey where cna i check my dawnthread uptime?

#

i iassume there is a specific spot on the simulation?

thorn fjord
spring sigil
#

Last question, up on platforms, are you guys dpsing the spiders on the way up

#

or just running straight to mobs?

fickle lotus
thorn fjord
spring sigil
#

And should i not use DM or KB on platform since mobs die so quick

#

and just save for spider coming down on p3

thorn crater
mystic osprey
thorn fjord
#

You can get a KB off on one of the adds sure but yeah they die quick

proven jasper
fickle lotus
wild hound
#

Guys fucking hell, help me. I've got 12/16 nerubar finery. I only got 4 last week, and I've got 8 today. How the fuck do I catch up? Tried doing LFR on an alt but didn't get any. What do?

cinder quartz
#

hit her between the eyes with my airborne irritant then put away my retractable hook

thorn fjord
#

then send via warband

#

Do they drop off LFR?

#

Might have to be normal not sure

wild hound
#

Nope didn't drop

thorn crater
wild hound
#

No from what I've read now seems since I cleared those bosses on my main, I can't get from them

tired gull
#

they can drop in lfr, got a bunch on an alt yesterday

cinder quartz
#

if you only got 4 last week, you would need to do a combo of mythic and heroic

#

from what i know anyways

fickle lotus
wild hound
#

Yeah so today I've killed boss 1,2,3,4,5 on normal, boss 1,2,3 on mythic, and boss 6 on heroic. Stuck at 8 fineries

thorn crater
#

i mean thats not up to you though

#

and there is no log for dungeons so

#

fuuuuck

wild hound
#

Guess I have to LRF boss 7 and 8?

#

On an alt

thorn crater
#

trying to decide if i should swap to ascenscion

wild hound
#

Cause i just did LRF boss 1 on an alt and didn't drop anything

fickle lotus
thorn crater
#

huh apparently on the 3 10s ive done i have 96 parses wtf

thorn crater
eager light
#

Hey, is spyglass bis trinket for Assa or Sacbrood is the play ?

thorn fjord
#

I think theyre close tho

#

But results may vary

thorn crater
thorn crater
#

prolly i got 2 much crit cause of dawnthread

#

spyglass is only better for ST

#

go figure

indigo epoch
#

Rogue community so much better than druid. ❤️

#

Thanks fuckers

thorn fjord
#

Imagine being a bear

#

couldnt be me

indigo epoch
#

Everytime I go to their discord I'm saddened

thorn crater
silk bane
#

She thrashd on me till I shred

slim pebble
thorn fjord
thorn crater
#

can i link a sim and you help me make some sense out of it?

thorn fjord
#

You right

thorn crater
#

might be reading it wrong

cinder quartz
#

she razed my lunar beam til i had a wild growth

thorn crater
#

shows that dawnthread+ascension better than double dawnthread and ascension+writhing

silk bane
#

Holy shit not the wild growth

thorn fjord
#

She convoked my boomkin and i went feral