assassination

[fading stump]

if i have 2 dagger 639 i go for critt emb?

[blazing pumice]

right but making a dagger would be worth more than upgrading myth track gear

[grim jay]

No issues at all in a 10

[real pike]

yea I have 1 636 crafted dagger already sorry

feel like that's the exception

[blazing pumice]

potentially making rings and using cheating tech is worth

[royal lantern]

you feel tanky until you realise that rogue defgensives are nothing special anymore and that some classes are REALLY cracked on that part and that they legit need to actively try to die

[balmy condor]

link the sim

[royal lantern]

DK having passive ~20% magic DR lmao

[trail scarab]

dk is unethical completely tho

[real pike]

cheating tech?

[trail scarab]

with survivability

[real pike]

@blazing pumice this is the current outlook

[blazing pumice]

you can recraft

[real pike]

but I don't wanna craft a 636 then get a mythic track drop in the same slot

[blazing pumice]

and get free ugprades

[pliant remnant]

[fading stump]

if i have 2 dagger 639 i go for critt emb? @balmy condor

[real pike]

not to a diff slot though, it's the crests I don't wanna waste not the sparks

[balmy condor]

sure if you want

[fading stump]

ty bro

[blazing pumice]

making a ring, then recrafting, gives credit for both slots

[fallen arch]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rotund oak]

what did u get from the vault?

[balmy condor]

a socket

[oak eagle]

rip

[dawn heath]

tier head or spyglass

[blazing pumice]

you didn't ask me sap

[dawn heath]

hm

[oak eagle]

what did you get out of vault manes

[blazing pumice]

stichfleshs scalpel ty

[oak eagle]

W dagger

[rotund oak]

depends,can always sim but spyglass is a big candidate

[oak eagle]

i got skardyns

[real pike]

credit as in discounted upgrades or as if you actually have 2 of the item?

[dawn heath]

but isnt it bait in m+ though?

im mostly palying keys

[blazing pumice]

discounted upgrade

no gilded cost

[real pike]

I see

[dawn heath]

how does it mark a atarget?

[rotund oak]

why would it be a bait?

[blazing pumice]

it's whatever you are attacking

[dawn heath]

if i FOK

can it proc on a random mob

[blazing pumice]

no

[trail scarab]

from what i have read spyglass doesnt proc very often, but i have never tried it myself

[blazing pumice]

? it procs almost instantly

[rotund oak]

not aware but u can always add to platter and build up the stacks,it still is very strong

[pliant roost]

these 2 are simming the same for me when fully upgraded (13 ilvl diff) is that legit?... Elder is Crit/Vers

[pliant remnant]

No, it's not legit

the sim robot is conspiring against you

to ruin your parses

!!!

[pliant roost]

thanks smart arse

[pliant remnant]

👍

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund oak]

idk what uve read but 8/10 times it procs on my ambush=>>gar most of the times

never rly noticed it procing on fok spaming but im not using sound alerts

[blazing pumice]

it's ppm on whatever you are autoattacking

[rotund oak]

interesting,need to learn if it does

[blazing pumice]

it doesn't matter if you are foking

[trail scarab]

on 6 minutes for me at dummy it procced 5 times now

no refreshes

[balmy condor]

it's 1 proc per minute

math checks out

[trail scarab]

but is the "stacking up to 5 times" line not ment to be there anymore then

[balmy condor]

what

"your attacks have a chance to mark their targets as Dead Ahead" -> 1 proc per minute

[trail scarab]

ah

yeah

i am just not good at reading

[balmy condor]

"attacking the marked target grants critical strike for 10 sec, stacking up to 5 times" -> not the same effect

[trail scarab]

read it again after

[balmy condor]

gaining a stack when you're maxed also refreshes the timer

[calm tendon]

Is the Trinekt Tier list up2date?
For me the Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikka is simming better than ara-kara trinket. or should i have to change some sim details?

[balmy condor]

so usually you like mark, get your crit, the mark ends, you have 10 seconds of crit lingering

[balmy condor]

trinket tier list is a suggestion, always follow your sims

[trail scarab]

guess the people that told me proc rate as bad probably didnt read it either

[balmy condor]

well it's not even a suggestion

it's a quick reference I guess

what verbage gets me to say it's full fucking bait without saying it's full fucking bait

[calm tendon]

yeah could be an setting due to uptime of ara-kara.dunno.. but i got the 5 stacks rarely

[balmy condor]

yeh so that's like what, 17 seconds of uptime?

pretty decent

[short sedge]

@balmy condor can we expect any sims for the anniversary raid items?

[balmy condor]

if there's something worthwhile there will be a pin

[short sedge]

Can't wait for another kazzak situation

[spice surge]

They seem ass

So i wouldnt expect it

[short sedge]

I'm hoping something is giga broken

[balmy condor]

the kazzak situation wasn't even that much of a problem

legit just outlaw rogues

wrathstone from timewalking last week was good as a skardyns replacement

but it still is worse

idk

unless you can get something on myth track

it's just kinda whatever

hero track stuff sometimes gets close but just isn't good enough

[strong vortex]

Hey, can some one explain me Lethal Dose tallent?

[balmy condor]

dots make dots do more damage

[novel star]

just say it’s bait

[strong vortex]

I mean, its says more dot damage for each poison and dots... how it works with wound poison, beacuse i cant see stacks of Lethal Dose.

[rotund oak]

ty bb

[short sedge]

I'm outlaw main

[balmy condor]

wound poison is a poison on the target, so it adds 2% from lethal dose

[balmy condor]

you didn't have to say that, y'all the only mfers to talk about kazzak neck

[strong vortex]

So it gives only 2% and additinal stacks doesnt count?

[short sedge]

Kazzak neck my beloved

[balmy condor]

no, the stacks don't count

[steel ridge]

oh its that time of the year again

[subtle tundra]

imagine if wound poison gave 10% dps holy

[balmy condor]

it's wound poison

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

you have wound poison on the target? 2%

[royal lantern]

bruh

[balmy condor]

you have a billion stacks of wound poison? it's still 2%

cause it's one wound poison, stacking

[short sedge]

Pvp nightmare

[balmy condor]

might even be viable

[subtle tundra]

and then amp poison would also stack
so youd play amp + wound

[balmy condor]

MAYBE

[strong vortex]

Im confused...

[balmy condor]

stop being confused

does your target have wound poison? 2%

[feral wasp]

should i race swap to dwarf from orc

[balmy condor]

does it not have wound poison? 0%

[rotund oak]

not even there,rogue is on decline in general.I'ld say something like Permian extinction event,short of

[strong vortex]

My english confuses me.

[royal lantern]

do you like playing as an orc?

[short sedge]

Degenerate gameplay where you never press envenom because amp gives you 20% dmg fully stacked gg

[balmy condor]

yes wound 2%
no wound 0%

[strong vortex]

SO it works only on the fact that target have effect, and not amount of it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[feral wasp]

Every horde charachter I play is orc

[blazing pumice]

if you are playing competitive mythic plus, yes

otherwise no

[strong vortex]

[feral wasp]

But I dont like the orc model

[strong vortex]

Thanks btw.

[rotund oak]

Orc is gigachad tryhard mode on but idk how u deny cows or belf or UD

[strong vortex]

Okey... next.
Wound poison apply debuff on healing and deal damage... damage increses with stacks?

[royal lantern]

then why play orc if you dont like it

[royal lantern]

no

[raven panther]

For my mythic track item in my chest, would you recommand me SpyGlass or Shoulder/Hand item ? I can't get passif mythic track trinket from anything else than the vault, but item sims a bit higher (I already have 4part, and arakara/skardyn grace 626)

[strong vortex]

[feral wasp]

Because im racist and orc is the gigachad horde race

horde = orc

[rotund oak]

so u kinda like orcs

pseudosimper

[blazing pumice]

sapzilla you might like ffxiv

they have furries

[feral wasp]

i like the orc idea but not the looks particularly in the game

[rotund oak]

i like them too,orcs are gigachad mode on

[strong vortex]

What debuffs doesnt count as poison(or bonus) for Lethal dose?
Shiv, Envenom... something else?

[short sedge]

I like belf

[cold tree]

Yo got a question, is it still authority of the depths we go for 1h enchants 2 pve? cheers

[short sedge]

Used to be insane in pvp with the aoe silence

But I don't mind the purge either

Really makes the class whole imo, adds to the fact that we kinda have tools to deal with mostly everything thrown at us

[rotund oak]

dispell was even better

[feral wasp]

pretty boys and girls in horde? No thanks

[rotund oak]

u could cheese pain supp

ive killed so many priests as a belf when they raw PS

its kinda funny

[short sedge]

Purging bop is so nice man

Fuck them pallies

[rotund oak]

also true

and other stuff

belf was pretty cool

[royal lantern]

vulpera is played more then undead and almost fully equal with troll (who have druid as a Option, which is a massive boost)

stay mad

[fathom flax]

i know 'sim yourself' but real life situation is skardyns + mandate good

.

i have a 639 skardyns

[rotund oak]

mandate isnt ideal no

and depends the content

[balmy condor]

what

[rotund oak]

?

[balmy condor]

skardyns + mandate is legit the best combo available

are you high

[fathom flax]

for raid or keys

[strong vortex]

Best lethal and non lethal for pve content?

[balmy condor]

for raid

[rotund oak]

for raid ye

might be

[fathom flax]

double on use 😦

[short sedge]

Double on use is good on a 40 apm class

Spec*

[brisk crystal]

I can't understand the best talent build in raid, my sim suggest this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dqdtuAuzH99N9vtutDB74d, but i see a lot of ppls with the "garrote build" in the logs

[strong vortex]

What best lethal and non lethal for pve content?

[short sedge]

Depends on raid or m+

[balmy condor]

yeh welcome to assa, bunch of talents are viable

[spice surge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[strong vortex]

Neither.

[balmy condor]

?????????

lmao

[strong vortex]

Delve and farm.

[subtle tundra]

whats farm

[short sedge]

It doesn't matter then play what you want

[subtle tundra]

the mop thing?

[fathom flax]

deadly,amp,crippling and numbing

for solo, i m o

[rotund oak]

as in poisons?

[fathom flax]

if youre levelling just use deadly and crippling, nothing else matter

[strong vortex]

So... 4 poisons...?
Im not sure in tallent for additinal poison because of proc chance...

[fathom flax]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

should take some time to read the guide,will help

[fathom flax]

https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide @strong vortex go have a look here mate

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/upF1HrwMsAF4Y8vnGUfm3c

even funnier

your best combo isn't even any of those

[lone parrot]

yo ive been away for a bit, but does anyone know if rogues are getting touched in the next big update?

[subtle tundra]

i am getting touched yesssssss

[lone parrot]

[balmy condor]

pins

[lone parrot]

thanks

[vestal cliff]

Does anyone have some tipps for ovinax mythic progress?

[rotund oak]

TTB

[balmy condor]

ttb is good

[fathom flax]

dodge swirlies, kill adds, break eggs

gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

better than dashing is crazy to me

[cunning basin]

I gotta actually sim and see what talents the Almighty robot wants me to play 😩

[spice surge]

Make parasites "performance units" on your plater or disable plater altogether, as well as up your details/elvui/plater refresh rate to the highest possible

So you hopefully get double digit fps

[vestal cliff]

That sounds good ty!

[fathom flax]

purely anecdotal but i have done more damage more consistently with the garrote build

[oak eagle]

do i need to be inside the raid to do that to the parasites?

[balmy condor]

similar energy gain, big shiv damage instead of a bit of poison crit

[cunning basin]

Big shiv damage

[spice surge]

You know what they say, 300 energy is 300 energy

[cunning basin]

You know now that you mention it I HAVE heard that somewhere but idk where

[vestal cliff]

How can i do that?

[balmy condor]

why the fuck y'all hating

[cunning basin]

That's pretty giga on god

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-gif-26810165

"kekw shiv"

we all say in unison

[subtle tundra]

😼

[lone parrot]

how tf am I not spec'd into ttb or vv

have I been cucking myself this whole time?

[oak eagle]

because bad

[balmy condor]

ttb isn't good for everyone

talents are all close

[royal lantern]

you know me

[cunning basin]

VV very strong but according to whispyr 5 seconds ago I heard ttb isn't good for everyone

[lone parrot]

oh no i think im dumb

[rotund oak]

whispyr been hiding essential information(joking ofc)
the man said u hsould sim some talent node combinations to see whats best for u,ttb comes out to be the best for one prson,doesnt mean for everyone 😛

[oak eagle]

do i need to be inside the raid to change that

[lone parrot]

this is like when I argued about me using without a trace

[cunning basin]

D:

[spice surge]

What? No

[balmy condor]

community when cookie cutter one build: "wtf what is the point of talent trees if there's only one build blizzard sucks"

community when many options in talent tree that are all viable and good: "wtf why so many build why do people play different build? I see guide say build but log other build? My sim doesn't show build? Why? Hello? Sim bad? Guide bad? Logs wrong? CONFUSION? HOW COULD THIS BE????????????"

[spice surge]

You do not need to be inside the raid to open your plater settings

[frosty bridge]

real

[royal lantern]

why guide no imp garrote but "insert a random log" has imp garrote

[lone parrot]

why would I test out different talent builds myself against dummies or in keys when I could have someone tell me a build

(joking pls dont hit me)

[wind totem]

How minor is the difference between whetstone and oil?

[balmy condor]

like 0.3%

[wind totem]

cool

oil it is then cuz its cheaper

Wax is shit?

forgot to ask

[warm vortex]

Any stand out pieces from BRD that would be good for us

[jaunty quarry]

hey is reaper trinket better than crystal or grace ?

[steel geyser]

It's good but only on one weapon

[oak eagle]

sim is besto friendo

[balmy condor]

give a people one build and they will eat for a day, teach a people many builds and they will spend a lifetime trying to understand how two talents that do similar things could do similar damage

[jaunty quarry]

yea i always do...but wanted to ask here too 😄

[lone parrot]

i bet the talents hold a secret build that will lead to a 1000 percent increase in damage

[white holly]

soo, I'm having troubles using raidbots in order to sim different trinkets in their respective max upgrade level and I was wondering if anyone can help me choosing between trinkets for M+ and Raiding.

All of them are hero track - I got skardyns, sacbrood, transmitter, void contract, and spyglass. As far as I read here, double on use is bad

[wind totem]

They do. It's called a brain.

[white holly]

is it skardyn+sacbrood for M+ and contract+transmitter for raiding?

[lone parrot]

i dont have one of those

[wind totem]

Enjoy your dog dps then

[lone parrot]

i used to be a frost dk main, my brain leaked out of my ears a decade ago

[balmy condor]

your first slot is transmitter or skardyns, your second slot is sacbrood, spyglass, or contract

[white holly]

so if all of them are on the same upgrade track, it boils down to preference?

[wind totem]

Speaking of trinkets look at what I found
https://i.imgur.com/yrhUd8h.png

[balmy condor]

kinda, that and your stats and whatever else

but close enough I guess if you don't wanna sim them idk

[grim jay]

So true and it happens all the time, its wild

[strong vortex]

I just want to know reasoning behind some talents and reasons not to take or take...

My current one is this.

[balmy condor]

brother

[oak eagle]

....

where kb

[balmy condor]

forget KB

[grim jay]

Why dont you mention crystal and knife? I call discrimination

[balmy condor]

bro isn't taking deathmark

[oak eagle]

I DIDNT EVEN SEE THAT

[balmy condor]

because he doesn't have it?

[oak eagle]

BRO

[marble hemlock]

[oak eagle]

bro doesnt have blind either

[wind totem]

Yes cuz he can see

smh

[white holly]

yeah I can play around raidbot and try to figure it out. The only problem I have with skardyn is I go over the mastery diminishing return when I use it + the alchemical chaos proc

[balmy condor]

shroud cd very important

[marble hemlock]

Shadowheart tho

[grim jay]

Oh I didnt read it all the way up

[strong vortex]

Why i even need that?

It drops when enemy take damage.

[balmy condor]

you are overthinking this so fucking hard my guy

no one cares for diminishing returns

[stable coral]

quick noob question, i see ascendance on every rogue all the time, do we play it even in m+ aswell? i thought we want crit embelishments

[celest crescent]

New meta build I see

[wind totem]

Its the raid enchant so they jut use that.

[oak eagle]

well looking at the build, seeing carnage i assume this is your key build, and blind is very good aoe stop and if running with competent tank where they get good threat, you can run blackjack and make them deal 30% less damage

[white holly]

oh, lmao okay. Good to know

[uneven summit]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[stable coral]

ty

[balmy condor]

he said earlier no raid no m+

only delve and "farm"

[oak eagle]

whisp, with imp garr we still run 1/2 VV, right?

[tall jay]

I don’t even know how to sin different builds I just look up what’s being played … lol

[balmy condor]

whatever that is

[oak eagle]

oh im stupid i guess

[neat shell]

https://tenor.com/view/my-eyes-rub-eyes-cant-unsee-need-to-unsee-gif-15818549

[balmy condor]

"it depends"

[oak eagle]

well im tryna get all my talent profiles for proper simmings

to see what to run in raid

[balmy condor]

do this

[pulsar ember]

dawnthread or another embillesh?

[warm vortex]

How different is fatebound when it comes to m+ rota

[oak eagle]

wait a minute

thats a thing

[strong vortex]

It have 2 (1 with talent for aoe) min CD... Hmmm. sounds good.

[balmy condor]

yah

[oak eagle]

BRUH

[balmy condor]

good button

[oak eagle]

HOW AM I THIS STUPID

WHEN IT COMES TO SIMMING

[rotund oak]

cant rly explain u since the writer is whispyr,we mostly question him coz it looks like he is doing an amazing job studying and deciphering what is best for the spec.Should just ask him

[tall jay]

Oh cool guess what I’m doing when I log in this morning lol

[balmy condor]

do not curse me with this

[golden loom]

back 2 back Kingsbane parries on bloodhound I might break my monitor

[strong vortex]

what?

[tall jay]

In raidbots?

[rotund oak]

cmon man,i cant jsut say stupid sht over u,im not braindead 😅

[wind totem]

back to back envenom parries with Darkest Night on Kyvezza.

[balmy condor]

I wrote the guide so I don't have to explain why you should talent deathmark

I ain't gonna sit here and explain basics

no mental available for that

[balmy condor]

yes, top gear

[strong vortex]

Alot of shitstorm, with out explenation, or recomendation that not sound like "why not like meta" :/

[pliant remnant]

no mental just vibe

[wind totem]

no mental available

FTFY

[finite gazelle]

I dno what to craft, should I craft 636 wrist (ive 610) or my second 636 wep (ive full upgraded hc wep)

[rain wraith]

Kill 2nd boss on mythic and pick up a dagger

[rotund oak]

i literally said that if u want reasoning behind picking up nodes u ask the one man that has invested most time to this spec than everyone else in this chat.Literally,if there is someone to take him by his word for anything related to assasination its him.

[uneven summit]

Deathmark and Kingsbane is our main cds, that´s why, most of our gameplay and dmg is fixed around it in many ways

[spice surge]

Feel free to talent whatever you want, but if you ask us for the best talents dont be surprised when we suggest better talents

[wind totem]

You guys are getting trolled so hard right now

[strong vortex]

Not realy best, but reasonnig.

[strong vortex]

You are fine.
But who you talking about?

[spice surge]

The guide has it

[wind totem]

This guy is 100% pretending to be this stupid

[neat shell]

paid actor maybe

[oak eagle]

k so what do i add then so it lets me actually save the build and run the sim? because its telling me to select more talents

[strong vortex]

WHo?

[balmy condor]

idk it's just this

and then go

[rotund oak]

the man with the purple name ''Whispyr''

[pulsar monolith]

guys how much haste should i aim for in st?

[sharp viper]

yes

[balmy condor]

whatever the robot says

[oak eagle]

ya see, i didnt realize i could right click the talents and i just removes them from the sim

[balmy condor]

[orchid wind]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/foEozA3NcQPrKyWVXmFabn

[balmy condor]

and then right click again to block

[orchid wind]

should i take ring boys ? or socket gaming

[balmy condor]

looks like a good ring to me

[white holly]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tg6GweeEf8cf5iobKKqEzj this recommends transmitter + skardyns, which I think is a grief, no?

[orchid wind]

https://ibb.co/ZWpGxCL

the game forcing me to take that trinket , givin me every week

[balmy condor]

dog what is this

5 target 1:30

[orchid wind]

[white holly]

Someone said that the dungeon slice API is broken so im not sure how to sim M+

and they recommended 5 target, 1:30 no lust

[balmy condor]

who said that

[blazing pumice]

with dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

I will yell at them myself

name, address

phone number

[warm vortex]

Any stand out pieces from BRD that would be good for us

[balmy condor]

whatever works

[balmy condor]

no

[orchid wind]

can i give u my number ?

call me pls

[hexed niche]

Hi all,
I am trying to sim my GV items and I got belt + legs + chest. I want to manually create the chest and legs as tier piece, but then they are no longer watermarked ( tagged ) as GV item and it gives me obviously the best to pick both the chest and legs + the belt from GV.
Is there any way to tag the custom made tier pieces as if they were from GV?

[white holly]

a...a twitch chatter

so, should I go with dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

yes

[warm vortex]

Patch 5 bosses no?

[sharp viper]

isn't that standard aoe simming?

[oak eagle]

make them the same exact ilvl from the vault that they can go and it should be fine

[balmy condor]

if you're catalysing a GV item it should still count as a GV item I'm pretty sure

[oak eagle]

does this server have access to a raidbots epic discord bot?

because me broke boy and cant sim my talents

because too many iterations

[balmy condor]

the discord bot can only do basic quick sims and shit

[oak eagle]

shit

[hexed niche]

Got it thanks

[native heron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[white holly]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEgPntKDQZaV4x6yMaFWmi ok does this look better now?

[balmy condor]

looks great king

[glacial crypt]

why can't we have it use poisoned knife instead of mutilate

[ashen orbit]

1 minute 30?

Huh

[balmy condor]

dw bout that

that's just the preview and shit being weird

dungeonslice forces itself to 6 min

[white holly]

it overrides to 6 mins

got me stressed out for a second fr

[native heron]

!buffs

Okay that def didn't work.

what buffs should i be tracking as assassination?

[white holly]

thanks for the help Whispyr, I appreciate it tons

[balmy condor]

rupture, garrote, envenom, kingsbane, deathmark, shiv, crimson tempest

uhh

[strong vortex]

On what depends value of Dragon-Tempered Blades or just prefer?
Bone spike worth in what cases?

[balmy condor]

think that's it

[native heron]

darkest night?

[balmy condor]

oh

[fathom flax]

its not fair to come in here and ask for an explanation for every single talent, especially simple ones like deathmark. there are many, many written guides that explain in detail about what and why talents are good, people here are more than happy to more nuanced or complex questions

[balmy condor]

hero talents yes ofc

[ashen orbit]

you are doing gods work in here

[balmy condor]

so

mark

and darkest

[fathom flax]

@strong vortex

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

can't sleep

[native heron]

ty whispyr. good morning btw and hope you have a good day!

[ashen orbit]

Jesus christ

[balmy condor]

you too

[long flare]

hey, prob dumb question but is it good to spend 3rd spark on 2nd dagger? already have one with emb + waist

[oak eagle]

whisp would you be willing to do a nice thing for ya boy just this once?

[balmy condor]

probably fine yeah

[balmy condor]

pass the simc over smh

[oak eagle]

ty bbg

[frosty bridge]

can tell you that a 2nd dagger simmed lower for me than upgrading other stuff

[astral cypress]

hi family!
can anyone explain to me why we pick Ara-Kara Sacbrood trinket over for example Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife?
I have the sacbrood in the vault on mythic track and it sims worse than the ritual knife on hero (for m+)
thank you!

[spice surge]

Yes offhand is typically the worst slot, thus the one you should be upgrading last if possible

[frosty bridge]

@long flare
Upgrading other stuff: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dVkpBA9K5fAjycLffwkz7F
Second dagger crafted (vs hero track dagger OH): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j6HbR6hwG58pxdHPNCMPp4

Mind you this is my alt and it might change with other gear

[agile geode]

what would be enchants on the weps

[arctic socket]

Radiant or depths

[agile geode]

depths and radiant?

[balmy condor]

would suggest just double radiant

[royal lantern]

cant what?

[strong vortex]

Isnt it a assassination discussion?
Where else i can ask about explanation on some talents?
I checked guide for Tempered blades, and there was only what to take with it, and considering that it reduce proc chance with out envenom to 0, im really not sure how it worth taking.

[agile geode]

@balmy condor why doulb radiant and not one of each?

[brisk crystal]

Ty for the help

[balmy condor]

obviously it's not 0% dude what

[spice surge]

That is not what dragon tempered blades does

[balmy condor]

it's 30% LESS

so you have a base of 30%

it goes down to 21%

[oak eagle]

with the envenom buff its just back at 30% isnt it?

if my math is mathing correctly

[balmy condor]

no

[oak eagle]

guess my math wasnt mathing correctly

[balmy condor]

all of the poison effects are additive, so take base + envenom + imp poison

that's 30 + 30 + 5

whatever combination of that

multiply by 0.7

that's your new chance

[oak eagle]

ahh yeah then my math was indeed not mathing

[sharp viper]

speaking of poison chances, are you cooking any prelim. sims for the upcoming patch?

[strong vortex]

Aha... its my stupidity in english or text?
Now i considering it worth it realy, that type of explenation i needed.
Thanks.

[balmy condor]

the first

[oak eagle]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

already semi cooked

[oak eagle]

whispyr is savage when hes sleep deprived

[balmy condor]

well, I mean the real reason isn't really english or text

[sharp viper]

he is always sleep deprived though

[balmy condor]

it's a bit of just like

not using logic

[royal lantern]

hes what deprived?

[oak eagle]

zzz

[sharp viper]

care to share or should I wait?

[balmy condor]

looking at a talent that doubles your poisons applied and thinking the proc rate goes to 0%

is like

pretty cooked

like without english or anything else attached

you see something that says "you get to apply extra things, but they don't work"

that's pretty fucked

[oak eagle]

true

[sharp viper]

i really wish TTK could be good

[near apex]

Next week is good isn’t it?

[balmy condor]

it is

[strong vortex]

Okey then, help me please get Amplify poison, Tempered blades and KB.
Also, what i have right now, isnt it good just for fast AOE damage, or i missing something?

[balmy condor]

drop master assassin for deathmark
drop doomblade for fatal conc
drop lightweight shiv for amp poison
drop blindside for kingsbane

[grim jay]

Assassination by design doesnt have good fast aoe damage

[balmy condor]

we're about 35 conversations away from talking about design

lets talent deathmark first

and then we'll worry about that later

[grim jay]

[oak eagle]

KEKW

[limber lion]

Glorious

[grim jay]

Think about it, if you dont talent deathmark, you dont need skardyns

[balmy condor]

kinda true

[kind forge]

your dmg cant drop after cds if you dont take cds

[grim jay]

So you dont need to farm grim butthole

[near apex]

If next week we’re picking subterfuge, how long will iron wire last before being completely destroyed as a talent?

[oak eagle]

speaking of talents and such, wasnt there a time in sin rogue history where Poison Bomb was just broken af

[balmy condor]

and you get to talent symbolic victory instead of lingering darkness

[limber lion]

wut

[balmy condor]

sure

[grim jay]

I dont know what symbolic victory does, but hell yeah

[soft shale]

man symbolic is such a shit talent

[limber lion]

Deathmark and Kingsbane are buttons you have to press

[soft shale]

it increases ONE envenom

[limber lion]

so might wanna check that you have those on your action bars

[soft shale]

by like 30% LUL

[grim jay]

Oh the one after shiv?

[shut garnet]

does anything massively change for assa with the .5 changes?

[soft shale]

nono it is a deathstalker talent

[balmy condor]

no

[limber lion]

pins

[balmy condor]

nothing really changes

[oak eagle]

check them pins buddy boy

[soft shale]

actually it is even worse

15%

LUL

[mint kindle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

Yeah but thats shiv for sin, isnt it? Instead of sod

[oak eagle]

why would we play subterfuge next week? 11.0.5 doesnt drop till November

[soft shale]

yes

[grim jay]

You know its dead if I dont know what it does

[arctic socket]

@balmy condor you’re slacking where’s the new sim builds at?

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

that's what you think

[royal lantern]

could be worse

it could be The Rotten

or Gorefiends

[kind forge]

supercharger + symbolic tho

[ashen orbit]

what? october 22.

[balmy condor]

the weekend probably

[near apex]

Having access to 3 secs “aoe” silence for 12 seconds

[kind forge]

that was their plan all along

[grim jay]

The result is a supercharged victory

[oak eagle]

wait a minute

[kind forge]

[oak eagle]

i just thought blizz would release 11.0.5 whenever the anniversary event is

why tf is it in october

[limber lion]

I still don't understand the first sentence

[oak eagle]

that shit doesnt start usually until early november

[balmy condor]

because they're extending the anniversary

[limber lion]

You have 12s to apply garrotes and those apply a 3s silence

[oak eagle]

oh

[balmy condor]

and instead of extending it backwards

they pushed it forwards

cause idk

logic

[oak eagle]

i see

[balmy condor]

but yeah, usually anniversary is mid november

[limber lion]

idk where the destruction of the talent comes in

[oak eagle]

i guess just another instance of me

being dumb af

[balmy condor]

I was confused too

[late tusk]

I got heavy energy troubles in bosses

[balmy condor]

we all do

[strange python]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fathom flax]

im waiting for the elusive pyroboy sims, looking forward to it

[oak eagle]

preachin to the choir bud

[cunning basin]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

i got energy problems irl

[cunning basin]

Same brother

Same.

[balmy condor]

have you tried talenting into coffee

[late tusk]

The thing is, should i store energy before keep going or use it on cd?

[cunning basin]

It's a choice node with monster energy drinks

[royal lantern]

thistle energy

[cunning basin]

And unfortunately I took the DPS loss choice

[late tusk]

i mean, not sure if spend 20 when i got 20 or wait to 100 to be ble to do more thiongs

[balmy condor]

you just play to max your envenom uptime

[strong vortex]

And where do i suck off 3 additinal points for Tempered blades....

[balmy condor]

and then when cds happen you sip a tea

and spam

[near apex]

Considering blizzard wants you to interrupt, rogue having the option to single handledly nullify caster packs seems not alligned

[kind forge]

[balmy condor]

arterial/zoldyck

[oak eagle]

ill know in 40 minutes

if i keep this 99 parse on rash that i got

gonna be a pretty big W if i do

[sour oasis]

hello my homiiiiiiies

the tooltip of the buff raid

[cunning basin]

All these posers in my guild keep calling their interrupts kick and I'm like 🙄 no buddy, I have kick. You have a generic brand knockoff

[sour oasis]

is bugged no ? its 0% even if i finish th equest

[blissful chasm]

Hi guys, Just wondering as I have gotten mixed answers from a lot of places, are we thinking double regicide or regicide and the blood horrer dagger is a better pairing?

[oak eagle]

is broken

yes its bugged

[subtle kiln]

Walkout and reenter

[cunning basin]

All that to say fuck interrupts me and all my homies hate interrupts

[strong vortex]

With out Arterial i lose 30% addinal dot damage to targets... but i already have weakend shiv... hmmm...

[sour oasis]

dbut it's work dude ?

[oak eagle]

yes it works

[sour oasis]

or it's the indé company ?

[oak eagle]

its just bugged tool tip

[sour oasis]

ok thx

[oak eagle]

well your typically gonna get double myth bloodhorror before seeing a regicide so

[ashen orbit]

I remember playing with a dude that was warlock, insisted on using imp in m+, and when the guy who like leads in our little m+ team asked why he said "I dont like kicking"

[oak eagle]

but its all in the sims

[limber lion]

Regicide + crafted dagger for raid

[blissful chasm]

As of rn I only have hero pieces

[cunning basin]

That guy's based as fuck(the lock)

[blissful chasm]

I have two regicides and two blood dags

All hero track

[limber lion]

Doesn't really matter which 639 weapon you use

Yepyep

[ashen orbit]

and then he was surprised when we didnt wanna bring him this season

[balmy condor]

daggers are daggesr

[limber lion]

doesn't matter

[oak eagle]

just pick the highest ilvl main hand and oh is w/e

[limber lion]

take the highest ilvl one and slap it on

[balmy condor]

weapon dps go up? equip

[cunning basin]

Speak for yourself, 5 kills 0 daggers from boss and out of vault for both rogues in my guild so far

[balmy condor]

[oak eagle]

LMAO, we got 2 daggers out of 4 kills

[cunning basin]

Number go up, feel nothing
Number go down, the voices are back

[balmy condor]

we got 3 mandates from queen today

was very sick

[oak eagle]

i have the second dagger sitting in my bag atm because no flightstone

[blissful chasm]

Alrighty, Ill do that, thanks guys, Im pretty new overall to rogue so ill probably be back ❤️

[ashen orbit]

1 heroic spymaster 12 kills, we did splits for it, dont talk to me

[cunning basin]

We got 3 belts from rash

It was not sick

[balmy condor]

nah that's sick

[oak eagle]

i want a leather myth belt

that i dont have to buy

[cunning basin]

But on the plus side literally every leather wearer in my guild now has that belt on mythic

Cuz we got 2 last week

[strong vortex]

In that case, i dont need Tiny Toxic Blade... what then? Master Assasin, Doomblade(?), Twist the knife, Dashing Scoundrel or Improved Poisons?

[arctic socket]

Which belt

[cunning basin]

Bird rocks suck

[golden loom]

Gaining 2 keybinds next week is gonna pop off

[royal lantern]

mate, there are builds on wowhead, idk why you ask about everynsingle talent point here

[cunning basin]

Rash belt with crit/haste heavy haste

[balmy condor]

you would move systemic failure to doomblade, and tiny toxic to serrated bone spike

[arctic socket]

Dam

[oak eagle]

im gonna miss ER man

[ashen orbit]

hmmm, I want to agree but not sure this discord does

[oak eagle]

as soon as they get it working with DS

they take it away from us

and it feels fun to play now

[cunning basin]

Gaining 2 keybinds

I can finally bind my drums

[arctic socket]

You use drums?

[balmy condor]

my pickpocket keybind is coming back

[balmy condor]

and would you look at that

[soft shale]

the big distract keybind

[arctic socket]

Looks like a wowhead build

[strong vortex]

I realy didnt know how Tempered blades works...

[cunning basin]

"+11 need lust" 🫡 right here boss

[balmy condor]

we found our way

back to the guide

incredible

[strong vortex]

But now im not sure in AOE damage :/

[golden loom]

idk I have SnD on 2 cause its actually pressed in classic so that will feel good to put something useful on

[cunning basin]

That bind was more important than drums so I already have that one bound KEK

[arctic socket]

2 is for envenom

[soft shale]

cavedweller's delight

[balmy condor]

idk what I'm putting on my ER bind

[cunning basin]

2 is for rupture wtf

[soft shale]

for when you want to REALLY save yourself

[balmy condor]

I legit don't have anything to put there

[arctic socket]

What the fuck is this

[ashen orbit]

bro

[true estuary]

Almost as mine

[royal lantern]

a UwU copypasta macro?

[golden loom]

I am a league player

[cunning basin]

Yeah unironically probably putting drums on my ER bind

[royal lantern]

cease

[balmy condor]

maybe

[oak eagle]

honestly

idk what im putting on my ER bind either

[true estuary]

R is for envenom and evis, because it's ultimate 🤣

[cunning basin]

I genuinely can't think of anything else to go there lol

[golden loom]

exactlyyy

[arctic socket]

./y Read the fucking pins

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[true estuary]

Mine too, mine too

[oak eagle]

maybe i put brez on my ER? (shift5)

[cunning basin]

I already have brez bound

[balmy condor]

bro my fucking bars are so empty if I get rid of ER and slice

LMAO

[cunning basin]

Gotta have that shit handy when my vdh decides that his health bar looks better empty

[balmy condor]

ITS SWISS CHEESE

[oak eagle]

how tf are yours so empty

[true estuary]

But shiftE is evasion for me cos... Evasion... E

[subtle kiln]

Play sub. Still have slice and dice on bar. Because reasons.

[true estuary]

And from there, all classes have their defs on shift e for me

[cunning basin]

Slice and dice 🤢

[arctic socket]

Imma have read the ER change again

I forgot what it was

[cunning basin]

My defensives are shift 5 shift 6

[oak eagle]

these are mine

[cunning basin]

Shift 5 is major shift 6 is minor

[golden loom]

6 is so fucking far away

[royal lantern]

mut not on 1

im calling the authorities

[balmy condor]

I mean that's just as empty as mine but you have throw knife and shroud and food and a macro as a bonus

[cunning basin]

Cloak/evasion
Bubble/divine protection
Astral shift/stone bulwark totem
Etc

[true estuary]

5 is always class heal, shift 5 is potion heal

Ctrl5 is lock pill

[ashen orbit]

5 is interrupt for me, sue me

[kind forge]

can keep our buttons -> big W

[cunning basin]

I have shift 8 for kick alt 8 for mouse over kick

[subtle kiln]

When they take it eventually it’s a dps loss.

[oak eagle]

yeah i mean i probably dont need throw knfie, but my macro there is my mouseover focus so its used all the time and food is there because ive just always had food on my top bar

[balmy condor]

wait maybe I can consolidate down to 2 bars now that I think about it

[strong vortex]

Any comments?

[balmy condor]

and just

[golden loom]

realized my first screenshot didnt have my full bar

[balmy condor]

delete bar 3

[oak eagle]

sue me, its how ive always had rogue

[true estuary]

Interrupt is side front mouse button, side back mouse is shadowstep for them clutches

[kind forge]

spec fantasy at this point

[balmy condor]

remove throw dagger

[cunning basin]

I also have throw knife on bar, I use it probably more than I should but like idk

[strong vortex]

Its for range porpuses.

[balmy condor]

doomed

[cunning basin]

If I'm just standing in fuckin Africa having to wait on a mechanic might as well get some amp stacks

[balmy condor]

I haven't pressed that button in 6 years

[oak eagle]

its nice when you theres a mech where you need to move out but you want to keep poisons up so your bleeds keep giving you energy

thats the only time i press it

[true estuary]

I have throw dagger on my bar but without a bind. If i need range pull in world

[golden loom]

lowkey useful on rashanan, thoughts?

[balmy condor]

it isn't

[golden loom]

fair enough

[oak eagle]

just sprint step to rash

[cunning basin]

Probably better for it honestly but if I don't have throw knife/throw shuriken on bars my brain yells at me

So rip me

[golden loom]

I mean you can thrown knife into step for cool anime combo

[balmy condor]

I don't think people fully realize how much of a waste of energy throw knife is

it is

REALLY fucking bad

[cunning basin]

Oh I realize it

[true estuary]

Or when mobs are in web in delves and i tricks brann and throw dagger

[golden loom]

okay wait the actual use for it, transmog runs

[true estuary]

But no bind required

[cunning basin]

Honestly yeah

[oak eagle]

? again, sprint step fok

[cunning basin]

I use it to just gank mobs and bosses while I'm running by lmao

[oak eagle]

or mut

[golden loom]

you can thrown knife -> step and loot faster than step fok

[subtle tundra]

keybind tea to kb and now you have 1 less spot

[cunning basin]

Can also throw knife from range and just keep walking or immediately turn around so I ain't gotta walk all the way into a boss room

[golden loom]

why is it 40 energy tho, cmon lets see some buffs

[oak eagle]

i just realized, i dont even need the poison bar on my bars anymore, becuase i have a WA for that

[ashen orbit]

I feel like this is a bad idea

[balmy condor]

true I guess

[cunning basin]

Make knife throw 0 energy so it'll still be a waste but not of energy, just valuable seconds of your life

[oak eagle]

are we gonna be playing MA with the new subterfuge changes?

[subtle tundra]

you would literally spam it when youre pooling

[balmy condor]

yes but not with subterfuge

[rare jackal]

bring back df season 3 keybinds
with trinket, manual blindside and tea

[arctic socket]

So lemme make sure I understood this correctly, Shiv is basically becoming a supercharger ability that gives us 3 7 cp finished back to back?

[oak eagle]

oh, so are we back to using Vanish as a DPS cd?

sadge

[cunning basin]

That's what you think, it'd be my whole rotation ranged rogue spec HEHEHEHEHE

[balmy condor]

shiv is giving you the ER benefit guaranteed on the next 2 finishers

[grim jay]

How can they bring back tea as a keybind if it never was gone

[rare jackal]

well you can just macro it now, but in season 3 it was a kinda bad cause KB was loaded

[subtle tundra]

you can?

[grim jay]

Yeah you can also do a 1 button opener sequence macro

But you shouldnt

[kind forge]

shoulda woulda coulda

[balmy condor]

this is the idea atm

(we're also right back to 54apm)

[oak eagle]

so were back in our spam meta

fun

[cunning basin]

No SB no VV dashing + ttk that's wild as fuck

[oak eagle]

just as im getting used to not spamming

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[oak eagle]

time for carple tunnel again boys

[cunning basin]

54 APM? Bummer 😦 I was really enjoying the slowing down significantly

[balmy condor]

ttk is basically just a 40% buff to dashing

[oak eagle]

it was fun while it lasted

[ashen orbit]

Is that fast for a melee class?

[balmy condor]

no

[grim jay]

No its
113113113113113113113113113113113113

[balmy condor]

but it's fast for assa

[oak eagle]

ask outlaw

or fury

or frost

[grim jay]

Or most tanks

[cunning basin]

Yeah the change is crazy. Can defo say that talent was not on my radar to get buffed

[oak eagle]

or tanks

[ashen orbit]

cuz when I play outlaw I feel significantly higher than that

[balmy condor]

assa is one of the last slow specs remaining for melee

well

[ashen orbit]

them and feral now I presume, since they slowed down feral

[cunning basin]

^

[lavish bane]

is there a haste cap for sin?

[balmy condor]

was I guess now

[oak eagle]

fuck, is sub even faster than 54 apm?

[balmy condor]

no

[cunning basin]

Yeah sub is like 59

Last I checked

59 or 58

[balmy condor]

sub has like 90 apm during cds and 40 outside

[arctic socket]

What’s dashing?

[balmy condor]

bit lopsided that way

dashing these nuts

[cunning basin]

It all balances out lmao

[lavish bane]

is very low haste build viable?

[grim jay]

Whispyrs appearance

[oak eagle]

yes

[arctic socket]

I was gonna make that joke

[subtle tundra]

when do i get my m+ builds for next patch

i dont want to think about queef ansurek anymore

[balmy condor]

m+ builds next patch are basically the same as this patch

[cunning basin]

HUH?

[balmy condor]

haven't really seen a change

[grim jay]

Imagine her queefing

[arctic socket]

No

[balmy condor]

left side cleave builds seem okay

hybrid seems okay

[subtle tundra]

except subterfuge got better

!!!!!

[balmy condor]

not really tbh

[arctic socket]

New changes new better dps

Right boys

[balmy condor]

subterfuge damage wise is just as raw dogshit as it is now

[cunning basin]

New changes taking us back to 54 apm

[balmy condor]

it's the same logic as it is now

damage is awful

utility is good

[cunning basin]

That's the real crime

[subtle tundra]

reason id like subterfuge is so i can start dpsing when i dont have DN up

[cunning basin]

I play assa so I have time to contemplate my life decisions between abilities

[subtle tundra]

before i have to ambush

if you get what im saying

[balmy condor]

I do not

[subtle tundra]

fuck

shit ass

[balmy condor]

why can't you just press ambush?

[cunning basin]

What's wrong with ambush

[subtle tundra]

cause the mob i want mark on is being pulled later

later as in

its further ahead

and i want to start dotting already

[royal lantern]

how often do you not have DN and also a pull like that

[royal lantern]

like, sorry varas but DN is 30seconds

[subtle tundra]

happens enough for it to be a reason

[subtle tundra]

DN also doesnt proc when you kill a m+ boss all the time

[royal lantern]

i mean, i dont want the mark to be on ambush either and think it should be on rupture, but how often does that happen

[royal lantern]

oh ye.....

mist bosses etc....

[subtle tundra]

nope

ive had it happen

to random ass bosses

[royal lantern]

nah, mist first and 2nd boss are where the DN proc just never happens

[cunning basin]

I'm ngl

[royal lantern]

and first boss siege

idk why

[cunning basin]

I don't think I ever get a DN proc off m+ bosses

[royal lantern]

ALLRIGHT GUYS, VAULT INCOMMING

[cunning basin]

You better get something good

I want it to be juicy, I got my myth skardyn's

[arctic socket]

Bad luck

Inc

[cunning basin]

Therefore you can have some luck too

[oak eagle]

thats just wrong, because i see it proc off m+ bosses all the time except for mists bosses

[glacial crypt]

Get it

[cunning basin]

I mean it's not just wrong I personally do not ever get DN procs off m+ bosses lol

[royal lantern]

SEAL

[spring briar]

4 rings and 2 set items inc

[cunning basin]

Or if I do it happens so little I' just assume it didn't

[cunning basin]

When I wished u luck I didn't mean that much luck wtf give it back

[oak eagle]

old news, i got that weeks ago

[cunning basin]

Every one we've gotten in raid has gone to our resident floor decorations, the hunters 🤪

[oak eagle]

rip i got mine from vault, i think ive only seen 1 drop in guild group

and that was a normal one

and our boomy got it

[cunning basin]

We've gotten 1 normal 2 heroic

[glacial crypt]

[cunning basin]

And I think 1 went to fdk and 2 went to hunters

[grim jay]

You can put it on DN

Gz

[cunning basin]

And I'm sitting there like

[royal lantern]

@quiet oar we are "same gear" brothers again

[cunning basin]

I get that it's objectively more DPS for them but like, they have to be alive to do damage lol

[subtle tundra]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2275170851?t=2h32m5s

1 example

[royal lantern]

mate i know that one

[subtle tundra]

so?

im saying it happens

[royal lantern]

i just said mist 1st/2nd boss is where it ALWAYS happens for me

[subtle tundra]

mists 2nd boss is irrelevant cause it drops anyways cause RP

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-one-more-time-britney-spears-gif-1874225940573415150

[royal lantern]

and AKSHUALY we dont kill her but an illusion

🤓

[forest mountain]

how important is off hand ilvl?

[quiet oar]

[cunning basin]

I just don't ever get DN procs off bosses idk maybe I'm just stupid or smth lol

Just assumed it was like that for everyone

[subtle tundra]

and mists first boss it procs

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2275170851?t=1h13m38s

[cunning basin]

A substitution ?!

[spare flame]

is there any solution for constantly feeling energy starved on longer ST fights? just delaying envenom casts? feels bad

[cunning basin]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[subtle tundra]

that feels bad is intended

feels good to me

[cunning basin]

Sometimes you run outta energy, that's the fun part

[spare flame]

"fun" lol

[cunning basin]

You do what you can with what you got

[arctic socket]

Yell for pi

[cunning basin]

The gameplay expression is managing your finite resources well

[arctic socket]

Get that energy

[royal lantern]

there are 20000000000000specs in this game where resources dont exists

you play the 1 spec where they actually matter and are a part of gameplay, so yes

[cunning basin]

Outlaw/sub play with essentially infinite energy(sub really only in CDs but whatever)

[royal lantern]

energy beeing able to run out is a good thing

cus wtf is going with resources in this game when they are endless

[grim jay]

Skill.......

[cunning basin]

Resource management IS both the fun and skill expression of assassination

[royal lantern]

and the second they are not endless you have people complaining about them lol

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1296062144823165010/response.webm?ex=6710eb6e&is=670f99ee&hm=989992d45431dd82308f5084c64169d25c093e093441c3b4f0b0d29e12337fa5&

[oak eagle]

hey is there a way to see resources in WCL replays?

[arctic socket]

Even if you spam you can still do fine

[grim jay]

Jk

[winged sun]

[cunning basin]

Ye but if you want those juicy big parses part of it is knowing when to do nothing for a few seconds

[winged sun]

[oak eagle]

W

[arctic socket]

Phone pic

[oak eagle]

thats what i pulled out of mine

[arctic socket]

Grace

[royal lantern]

another mythic skardyns enjoyer

and no mythic vault slotss?

[balmy condor]

zeross drop the tutorial for how to take a phone pic like that

[arctic socket]

No raid bosses

Kekw

[balmy condor]

I don't even get how you managed that angle

[winged sun]

Not me

[cunning basin]

You get to reflect on your life choices
"Why did I pick rogue?"
"Where did my life go?"
"Why is my vault always shit?"

[balmy condor]

it looks like you're both below and above your monitor at the same time

[grim jay]

Zeross literally a boomer

[royal lantern]

jumping in joy while taking the pic

[oak eagle]

but mine was in my third slot, and i woulda been pissed if i didnt do 8 10s and saw that as a hero track instead

[winged sun]

My 30 yr brother is on my pc

[cunning basin]

I got one this week too

[arctic socket]

This is what I experienced

[nova aspen]

it almost looks fake

[cunning basin]

Luck spreading around

[oak eagle]

oh god, i would be so pissed

[arctic socket]

I only did 7 10d

[oak eagle]

now time for next week to see a mandate in vault

[arctic socket]

The one slot I didn’t make 623 rolled my grace

🙂

[grim jay]

He has an inverted curved screen turned by 90°, thank me later

[arctic socket]

But at least I upgraded my champ one