assassination

[fallen arch]

Spatter first

Then env

Then ct

[shy sorrel]

But as long as those are top three its okay?

[fallen arch]

Usually ye

But like

If u have a ret and frost dk

That do mega front loaded dam in a 6

[coral ibex]

i also dont bother refreshing CT often bc packs will die a few globals later

[fallen arch]

Its kinda whatever

[coral ibex]

i'd rather just send another env

and spatter

[fallen arch]

Ye

[shy sorrel]

Had Boomkin and Aug

[fallen arch]

Dont sweat it tbh

[shy sorrel]

Okay

[fallen arch]

Time keys

Follow prios

[shy sorrel]

Just making sure I start out on the right path early

[fallen arch]

And u’pl get it

[coral ibex]

as long as you're pulling like 1.2m+ overall in 7+ keys ur doing fine

[shy sorrel]

So I dont have to relearn everything after I play it a lot

[shy sorrel]

ye did 1.14

[fallen arch]

Ilvl?

[shy sorrel]

but was also OT so I guess that fucks it alot

615

[fallen arch]

That seems a bit low tbh with an aug

OT?

[serene solar]

Over time I think.

[shy sorrel]

Yeye overtime

[errant mauve]

Shit I’m at 1.2-1.3 at 622 ilvl in keys. It’s terrible but I lose my marked target a lot which is super annoying and this affix this week constantly brings me out of stealth

[fallen arch]

U can play around it

[zenith prairie]

What’s good dps for 12s I have no point of reference?

[coral ibex]

fix your plater profile to recolor your DSM target

i stole the mod from whispyr's plater

[fallen arch]

This was like, a 10?

The sham got the pis for anyone asking

[coral ibex]

as they should tbh

[fallen arch]

617 ilvl

[coral ibex]

haste is basically their main stat

[fallen arch]

Ye i know, it was fine

I mean as long as we time shit i’m down with that

[cobalt sphinx]

1.8-2.5 depending on key and aug

[fallen arch]

And shaman and warrior buff

I mean

[zenith prairie]

Okay I don’t suck then

Good to know

[rose wharf]

Whats like decent Damage overall with 610?
I did my first +9 Today and did like 1.1x Million Overall.
But People i play with are either way worse or way better overall/geared.

[cobalt sphinx]

that's fine

[fallen arch]

If u time 12s no one is gonna say u suck?

[lavish brook]

Is this worth the lack of mastery?

[fallen arch]

Seems fine

[cobalt sphinx]

no if you are missing mastery on any piece of gear you have to delete your rogue and start over

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/y548IRT.png OKAY NEW BUG

[fallen arch]

Yes, exactly

[bleak spoke]

wait did cloak always force it to refixate

mayun

wait

[cobalt sphinx]

cloak resets aggro yeah

[bleak spoke]

that's so fried

[fallen arch]

Yes

Its worth

[bleak spoke]

okay

[lavish brook]

Thanks!

[bleak spoke]

that's really not good

[cobalt sphinx]

well i think i had it happen to me

[spice spire]

Yes

Same with ams

Which is super shit because it’ll passively proc

[fallen arch]

I want grieftorch back

[cerulean nest]

why are so few people doing VV in logs

compared to sanguine

[spice spire]

Because 7 combos are comparable to each other

They just play whichever sims highest

[desert night]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[runic hinge]

I’d always take that so I can jump off stuff and not die

[past forum]

you play vv cause it sims the highest, i play vv cause i just copy pasted the build from wowhead and never looked back. we are not the same

[bleak spoke]

i assume only with the cleanse ams

[spice spire]

Yes

[bleak spoke]

but cleanse ams seems really good in grim batol

cuz you don't really need the short ams on the last boss for the debuff

https://i.imgur.com/Y2rcFRY.png okay now i wish i didn't log this

[lavish brook]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[full summit]

how much unbuffed haste should I have?

cus like i feel like im struggling on energy regen

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[full summit]

icic ok i need just a bit more haste, ty!

[coral ibex]

???

how did you get that from the message

do not worry about haste

haste will not fix energy

[zenith prairie]

Haste feels bad

[errant mauve]

Lol

[bleak spoke]

LMFAO

in a way

i think that is

[errant mauve]

Just pull trash mobs into any boss fight and rupture it all boom energy

[bleak spoke]

representative of the wow community

in a microcosm

[errant mauve]

Lol

[fallen arch]

Yea

Thats so funny

[hidden surge]

Sup guys having a hard time choosing between trinket or cape, i simmed all and it's seems the trinket is better but i dont even have skardyn's grace yet so i don't really know if it's worth to take trinket, the cape and the trinket both do a 0.2 increase damage at 623ivl but im trying to look for different opinions, any help please:D

[strange python]

Hey guys, is there a guide / list out there which summarises rogue interactions / cheeses / should do's for m+ mechanics?

I use feint well, but cloak and vanish I feel there must be plenty I don't know about

[tall jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hidden surge]

try to incorporate evasion there, since the hero talent reduce 20% magic damage too

[strange python]

Yeah good shout, that too - I think I moreso mean vanish and cloak though, as they give enhanced "dodge" windows / opportunities

[subtle tundra]

NA gamers, did flensing knives get fixed?

[shut garnet]

your best bet is watching high key POVs from either streams or youtube vods to learn stuff like this

[topaz horizon]

sim a skardyn with both the trinket maxed and the cape max upgraded. which one gives the most dps in the end.

[limber lion]

Which you shouldn't use because the other talent gives you damage.

[shut garnet]

wut?

[limber lion]

Practice makes perfect. Try stuff out.

[royal lantern]

allright, we should maybe not encourage obvious bug abusing

[late gulch]

ot but do you guys know if you need rank 3 mats to craft daggers or do rank 2 work?

[north mica]

Do I need a macro to shadowmeld into stealth in a M+. seems to work on a dummy but not in realtime..

[humble thunder]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[royal lantern]

taking the 2sec cloak talent gives you a removed dmg talent for some reason

[shut garnet]

could u elaborate? 👀

[royal lantern]

which is basically a ~2% dmg gain

[shut garnet]

lmao what

[royal lantern]

cus blizz coding lul

take 2sec cloak

go to a dmg dummy

activate slice and dice

and then press mutilate

[limber lion]

Stuff that cloak works on is usually pretty clear and Vanish basically works on any targeted channel ability.

[royal lantern]

and check details for flensing knives

[strange python]

True, im only in the 10ish range at the moment but for some god damn reason I get performance anxiety playing with guildies that group, and fuck up so much more than I do when in pugs so somewhat limited opportunity to practise without bricking someones key

[limber lion]

Flensing Knives used to be a talent that was supposed to be removed but it's still there.

[shut garnet]

wild lmao

has this been known since the start of the xpac?

[royal lantern]

after a couple weeks ye

cus people noticed it pooping up

[limber lion]

Eh wouldn't say that, it's just playing the talents that everyone plays

There's no setup or anything

Or anything that you have to do

[keen spruce]

you just pick a talent

[hidden surge]

Will do, btw should i sim dungeon slice or 5-6 cleave target? i do both but i want to know which one is better

[limber lion]

You just spec into it

[keen spruce]

plausible deniability

[limber lion]

Yes pretty much

[royal lantern]

reporting you too my uncle that works at blizzard

[topaz horizon]

Dslice is fine

[frigid wing]

does assa have similar issue with energy in raid as it does in m+? (not sure if there are talents that help a bit more). find myself spending a lot of time doing AAs on bosses just trying to make sire if thats normal

[limber lion]

Good

[limber lion]

Yes

[errant mauve]

That’s crazy I always wondered where flensing knives came from in details lol

[limber lion]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[errant mauve]

I was like what the fuck is this shit

[royal lantern]

under normal circumstances you would not even touch the talent

cus like

LOL 2 sec cloak

vs bait&switch

[bleak spoke]

NOPE

i hate them

[errant mauve]

Idk I use the 2 extra seconds so I can stand in more shit

[bleak spoke]

they need to just

yeet it

like

[errant mauve]

Mechanics over rated

[bleak spoke]

if they want us to do chip dmg with muti they can just add it to another hero talent

like

like i'm 100% taking evasion wall for any content i'm scared in

but like

god damn when i'm sitting on a single target boss in a key

i think about flensing

and how many times i've pressed muti

[frigid wing]

gotcha thanks. so just be prepared to have down time auto attacking = "playing for envenom uptime"

whats you guys take of elusiveness vs cheat death?

[subtle tundra]

its a bug, its not intentional lol

[subtle tundra]

i feel the same on queen ansurek and i need the evasion dr to survive

[young flicker]

what slot makes the most since to prioritize for upgrading? Trinkets, off-hand, or bigger armor piece (chest, pants)?

[subtle tundra]

🙂

[royal lantern]

the overall TL:DR is "raids cheat death, dungeons Elusivness"

[honest pelican]

my rogue isnt doing 10s yet sadly, but last week was hero track skardyn now hero track dead eye. if only i slipped into a few 10s

[royal lantern]

cus blizz loves to make dungeon dmg targeted/dot dmg, and without elusivness you have nothing to reduce that dmg

[fading patrol]

should we CT in ST with these talent

CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPjZmZGmxyMAAAAAAMLw2MAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLz2YMYmZmZwMzsttMmBYzsMwAWCWGmADLA

[errant mauve]

Solid talents ya got there

I really like the combo of ADLA at the bottom

[coral ibex]

tag yourself i'm MAAAAAAML

its crazy how many results i get when i search "CT in ST" in this discord

[royal lantern]

no

without even looking at them

there is some extreme edgecase where technically it COULD be a extremely minor gain to use CT instead of Envenom once in a while cus of some hero talent interactions

[compact stirrup]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[fading patrol]

why does the apl do ?

[dapper fractal]

why does assin use tricks of trade?

[royal lantern]

but thats so many "ifs" that its not feesible to do in reality

[royal lantern]

it doesnt

tricks is ussules

[fading patrol]

okok tyy

[coral ibex]

its like a 0.2% gain to CT in ST after a CTW crit

[royal lantern]

^

which is like

you track 2 things then

[dapper fractal]

what about resounding clarity?

[fading patrol]

whats ctw

[coral ibex]

like bro just play better overall its more of a gain

[normal mist]

clear the witness

[fading patrol]

ty

[royal lantern]

yes....? we play that

[dapper fractal]

ah okay wowhead build didnt have it for the aoe one

[livid thistle]

Is it weird if i wanna macro shiv into kingsbane?

[coral ibex]

how are you gonna macro one gcd into another

[dapper cradle]

Do I CT at 0 targets?

[barren island]

no

[cobalt sphinx]

what the

[dapper fractal]

oh it is okay

mb

[royal lantern]

yes

cus you cant do that anyway

and even if you could, its wrong

[livid thistle]

sequens but ye fair

[hidden surge]

These are the Results i guess is the Trinket at the end

[final silo]

I have a 606 skardyn, 626 transmitter, 619 knife, and 626 spyglass (myth track that I'm planning on maxing to 639)

I mainly do M+ and sims are saying to use the 2 passive trinkets, but should I use transmitter + spyglass instead?

[next dust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

transmitter + spyglass sounds good

so you can have an active trinket during every DM

[tropic acorn]

can someone help me with AOE scenarios? are you applyuing rupture to every mob or what?

[bleak spoke]

transmitter in key is really really really cringe i would 100% go farm a bigger skardyn's

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[bleak spoke]

i've played it for a week or two and i cna't think of a single key where i didn't have to burn a cloak or literally cheat etc etc at least once

trying to pick up the buff

to say nothing of the ones that are literally unretrievable

like if you get the purple ball on the boat in dawnbreaker it can fall through the floor

if you get it on the minibossses in ara kara it can be off the edge

it's so cringe

[fleet pagoda]

when they spawn during the last Ara Kara boss' suck

[cobalt sphinx]

when what spawns

[bleak spoke]

that's not the worst like they last 15 seconds i guess

but like

it's so scuffed

i mean it can also spawn the platform thingy under the boss platform

[final silo]

agreed, I'm still trying to get a bigger skardyn's currently at like 35+ runs of grim

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/QPByR8s.jpeg it dropped one in the lava under the 2nd boss, and one of them in the chasm in the middle of the first zone while we were fighitng on the bridge goin to the 1st boss in this grimbatol

just lost 2 trinkets for 0 reason

luckily i got the skardyns out of it

[subtle tundra]

you can position yourself to spawn the ball where you want

[cobalt sphinx]

If you are hitting it right before the black hole in arakara then you kinda deserve whatever comes next

[past panther]

!sim

[spice spire]

?

[sinful temple]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[karmic rover]

anyone have advice between 626 ovinax egg, 626 void reapers, and 639 harvester's? 639 harvesters sims the highest but I also read on forums that it's possibly bugged ?

[silk sundial]

Does cloak work on NW heaving wretch? I usually use feint but I tried using shadow cloak on a 9 and almost got 1 shot

[coral ibex]

only the first second

of true immunity

[silk sundial]

Oh. So you have to time it just right. I probably cast it too early

[warm vortex]

Ok

[unkempt tangle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

run 20, 21 and 22 were busts for trink

vault tomorrow

totally

has it

[strong kernel]

does anyone know which tier piece is worse to have than non tier gear or is all 5 better than what we can get

[hidden surge]

Guys, Shoud i Craft my other 636 dagger if im going to be focused on M+ only?

[keen spruce]

technically chest

[strong kernel]

ah okay thank you

[keen spruce]

at like max gear

but it doesn't rly matter

[strong kernel]

yeah for sure

[lucid rain]

hero track skardyn's in vault

[unkempt tangle]

!fatebound

[grim jay]

Never craft offhand unless you are full myth track

[lucid rain]

[strong kernel]

i was just wondering bc i know some classes are like ew this piece is trash compared to actual dung gear

[grim jay]

Sin likes all of them

[strong kernel]

thank you guys for replying fast and politely too

[lucid rain]

probably not the shoulders, if I had to guess

since it's high vers

but

[grim jay]

Chest is technically the worst

Like shmeepy said

[lucid rain]

good point

[spice surge]

But realistically take whatever you have thats the highest ilvl

[grim jay]

But its all mix and match ye

[hidden surge]

ye i don't expect to mythic raid any soon so i was thinking if it was worth

[grim jay]

Only if you have no crafted

And no myth track

[spice surge]

First weapon yes

Second weapon should be the last slot you upgrade/craft

[keen spruce]

yeah assas has pretty balanced stats so we're not super bothered with getting anything

[hidden surge]

oh so if i have a dagger 636 already and well i don't have a myth track yet i should just wait for a dagger in vautl?

[grim jay]

Basically

Its the "worst" slot like eleem said

[dawn heath]

demonic

i start my +14 mist

and my games starts lagging immediately

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/iT04lpXbrFoTelsp_?invite=cr-MSxCdlAsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

wtf is this

[brazen sentinel]

i got anxiety watching this

[runic hinge]

I have 1% verse

[dawn heath]

the crazy part

i had this lag the whole run

[oak eagle]

its just that easy

[dawn heath]

we time the run with 0 deaths

with me lagging the whole duengon

[cerulean maple]

oh my

[hollow talon]

Can I borrow this

[oak eagle]

only if you let me borrow your beach house and the lambo

[young flicker]

What slots should you prioritize for crests upgrades? Trinkets, off-hand weapon, or main armor slot (chest/legs)? or something else

[keen spruce]

yeah but you have 100% stu so it's k

[snow kiln]

Let’s send each other manifestation energy for skardyns grace in vault tomorrow ✨💫☄️

[oak eagle]

wdym? i already got it

[snow kiln]

Send it to me then, the manifestation energy

❤️

[humble burrow]

hey in m+ if a tank is chain pulling and im not getting restealths is it better to tab target afew mobs and rupture/garrote or just dot up main target and caustic cleave off it ?

[normal mist]

you'll need ruptures going for energy

and for scent of blood

[warm vortex]

I just get my rups up

[dry shoal]

!cloak

[warm vortex]

and then go to splat

[dry shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vernal snow]

can someone tell me if i am doing right ? it was a +12 mist and i play assa for 4 days now so idk much yet. Is the sanguine blades dmg too low? i saw whispyr saying smth its like 10% of ur overall dmg or maybe i just remember that wrong idk

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-what-a-crop-sam-richardson-little-buff-boys-gif-24760975

[normal mist]

seems fine

[dry shoal]

!commands

!abb

[vernal snow]

I am on my 66th run GB for the trinket. in 66 runs I saw it 2 times drop even tho I saw gale dropping like 20+ times....i am kinda getting annoyed tbh

[dapper cradle]

@grim jay which one do I take bro? you were saying crystal is bait earlier

[mystic osprey]

Wings bro so much rarer

[dry shoal]

Anyone got the def cd immunity spreadsheet command?
Been a while

[winter drift]

hey guys, thinking of switching from outlaw to assa. is the switch complicated to learn?

[winged basin]

we excited for those anniversary patch changes? looks like its gonna be super fun to make KB damage increase go up super fast

[winged basin]

I personally think if you can get the opener down you are pretty golden, sin is pretty simple for the most part imo! Whispyrs youtube videos makes learning it from scratch super easy too!

[winter drift]

that's good to hear, it's hard for me to test it properly cus I only have 1 dagger that I crafted (outlaw off spec daggers so I never get any)

[dawn heath]

your CT to caustic ration looks off

caustic should be way above CT

not way off but slightly off

[waxen oyster]

I feel I do a goofy

when my env is #1

[dawn heath]

this is my last key i did

[vernal snow]

@dawn heath thx mate, appreciate it. I will look into that

[dawn heath]

i've noticed when casual is playing he actually takes awhile before he sends his CT

its probably like double garrote double rupture envenom main target then get cps then CT

but that kinda depends

if u have a big prio target that u want to kill

if all mobs have the same amount of hp

or the pull count is really big then CT takes higher prio

[vernal snow]

1 more question when there are mobs that will die fast for example in GB the last mobs before endboss with like 12-14 million hp each, i cant do shit. I am with a ret and he just annihilates them in seconds. Is that just the way it is or is there a possibility for me to get some aoe dmg too before they die?

[runic hinge]

Probably wants to get DSM up faster if there’s a big target

[runic hinge]

Tricks the ret

[vernal snow]

😄 😄 😄 😄

[runic hinge]

Then he’ll die and you can do damage

[vernal snow]

thats actually 9999 IQ

[waxen oyster]

you can ct relatively early

that and pray for pb proc

[serene solar]

Bois, how do we genuinely feel about spyglass?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hEJFsXctxexD9PMSsjzuwQ

Is this a spyglass angle and go get a better back or just take the back and pretend I never saw it

[waxen oyster]

Nothing else in that vault is particularly good

[dapper cradle]

do we FoK in 2+ or 3+?

was watching casual FoK for CP on the 1st boss mists

[brisk path]

you FoK even single target when you have proc of clear the witness

[dapper cradle]

yeah I get that, but I meant FoK as a builder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF7E3sTL7BE

[somber sparrow]

Saw the discussion about wrathstone earlier… well my wrathstone is the hero track one from turning in the ulduar raid quest. Is the best way to sim it capturing the simc data and doing top gear

[dapper cradle]

he's FoKing at 2 targets to build

am I cooked or is that the move?

[brisk path]

yes, 2+ and same with CT

[dapper cradle]

word, ty king

[cinder geode]

What is the bis trinket combo ? i have sacbrood, skardyns, spyglass and mandate

[somber sparrow]

I currently use a champion 6/8 skardyn’s grace and 8/8 champion void reaper’s contract

[dapper cradle]

honestly kinda depends on the gear that you have

[ivory needle]

is IronWire immune the same list as stun immune?

[zenith prairie]

With crafted dagger alreadyu would you go legs or dagger? I am having trouble simming it

[rocky sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

offhand dagger is basically useless

should be last upgrade generally

[violet berry]

Mythic spyglass or heroic ovinax

I’m guessing spyglass?

[cerulean nest]

ovinax trinket must be bait right?

sims pretty nice for me but there’s no way

[violet berry]

Ok maybe I misheard

I thought it was good

[cerulean nest]

i’m asking, I don’t believe we’d take it over the standard good trinkets but idk

[violet berry]

Ya honestly that’s probably right

[runic hinge]

Yes but if you have crafted it caps at 636 and myth max is 639

So if you’re running ascension you’d keep crafted in offhand and still want the ilvl in main hand cause that’s your biggest upgrade 99% of the time

[runic hinge]

Do you have myth main hand and do you raid mythic

[vestal rivet]

Myth Skards or Heroic Rare cloak? Sims say cloak but it is bis trinket myth track

[cinder bone]

ooh thats a tough one

[vestal rivet]

cloak is .4% more

[balmy condor]

take the myth skardyns

heroic

[zenith prairie]

I do the 2nd boss so I have a shot at dagger I guess. But ihave 636 mainhand

[vestal rivet]

ty whis

[balmy condor]

it's pretty okay, you just can't perma move or perma stand still

as long as it's kinda balanced its good

[runic hinge]

If you kill the second boss I’d take what sims higher but maybe sim the dagger at max upgrade

[cerulean nest]

if no one else wants it next time it drops i’ll try it I guess lol

[violet berry]

How tf can this be

[normal mist]

I asked the same

Why a phone pic

XD

[violet berry]

@cerulean nest

Lmao I’m lazy

[balmy condor]

wdym how tf can this be

good trinket sims good

nice pog

[violet berry]

Isn’t spyglass our bis?

[balmy condor]

sometimes

[serene solar]

yo whispyr can you scroll up and tell me if im being an idiot for being confused on what to take in this vault?

[cerulean nest]

the tooltip is just scary to me

I don’t want to think about how much i’m moving or standing still

[smoky sequoia]

do we actually want to use all 5 set pieces? if not whatst the off-piece on assa?

[normal mist]

Chest

[violet berry]

Ya that is kind of insane

[balmy condor]

isn't spyglass literally the only usable piece what's the issue

[serene solar]

That is good enough for me

Thanks man

[spice spire]

The back is never gonna be taken for rashanan back

Because the second you get rashanan ur chuckling on that piece

[serene solar]

Fair enough

[slim pebble]

Is chest the tier piece we don’t want

[balmy condor]

sure

its still better for me than non-catalyst

[slim pebble]

Okay cool, I got myth track tier chest in vault

[spice spire]

Until ur like GIGA optimizing 639 stuff sims work just fine so if mythic chest is an option send er bud

[gilded oasis]

does sudden demise not work properly when there are 2?

[vapid geode]

for m+ build, is there anything special or secret for single target fights? I am averaging like 800k. if perfectly pooling energy, is there a huge increase?

[spice spire]

Only one rogue gets it

And it’s usually the higher ilvl

[gilded oasis]

what the hell

the lower ilvl one got it and made me look bad

[fleet pagoda]

well it's hard for both rogues to instantly kill the target it can only die once

[gilded oasis]

well it should die twice

[junior aurora]

tell that to john sekiro

[runic hinge]

I lost by like 40k overall to another rogue and it was cause they got all the sudden demise. Otherwise I woulda smashed

[junior aurora]

skill issue actually

(you invited another rogue)

[gilded oasis]

yeah he got 86 mil I got 30

[spice spire]

Who had the bigger MH

[gilded oasis]

wanna see mine?

[spice spire]

Hell yeah sister

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Nice

[gilded oasis]

my ego is hurt

[woven shore]

your boy is getting better

[spice spire]

Just aim to do better

Bad keys happen

You move on

[flat carbon]

I grab ring, agreed?

[vague flare]

1000000% chest is off piece anyway

(imo!)

[keen spruce]

How good is cloak?

[gilded oasis]

ok teach me how to make sure I get SD

[flat carbon]

yea cloak looks good too, so not sure

[spice spire]

Brother I’ve run 2 runs with whispyr and I got 0.0% sd dam

Granted minimum I was 10 ilvl lower 🙂

[gilded oasis]

lol

[balmy condor]

I'm 628

[gilded oasis]

OK GUY

no one asked

[spice spire]

Ring good

[balmy condor]

quake's like

15 ilvl lower

[cerulean walrus]

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m 617

[balmy condor]

20 even

[flat carbon]

ty friends

[balmy condor]

maybe 30

[spice spire]

Holy

[cerulean walrus]

I’m almost 626 let’s go

I’m washed

[spice spire]

I’m pretty sure our first run

You were 621

[balmy condor]

I think quake is reasonably like 45 ilvl lower

[spice spire]

And I was like 602

[cerulean walrus]

Perhaps even like 60

[spice spire]

[cerulean walrus]

Bro is still in blues

Actually

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds accurate

could be 70

[cerulean walrus]

Idk if it’s quite 70

But maybe

[spice spire]

I’m literally still using s2 dragonflight gear

Unreal

[balmy condor]

honestly like I'm 3 levels higher than him

[cerulean walrus]

True

[coral ibex]

628 holy

can i hold it?

[cerulean walrus]

Dude hasn’t even gotten the achievement for dinging 80

[balmy condor]

too heavy for you king

[clever kindle]

would you guys use this scuffed ass trinket on pull or before cd window

[spice spire]

True and real

[spice spire]

Before cd window

[remote moss]

hey all struggling between these two, i think trinkets the choice but what do yall think

[spice spire]

Milk that buff

[coral ibex]

heavy is the head that wears the crown 😩

[clever kindle]

word thats what I thought but it feels like ass with the cast time

[spice spire]

I think we sim and take higher gain

[balmy condor]

I'd probably take ring tbh, myth ansurek ring probably a bit away seeing the 1 myth vault slot

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

from the screen to the ring to the pen

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[balmy condor]

stop

[unreal imp]

Grim Batol prison over, only took 30 runs 😵‍💫

[balmy condor]

wait that's so free

[spice spire]

When bro says he’s what’s for dinner

[remote moss]

yeah were on brood right now, but i was also considering that too, as theres other really good trinkets and basically skardyns + whatever highest ilvl trinket i have i think XD. but am simming now too

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[spice spire]

Real

[runic hinge]

They invited me

[cerulean walrus]

This is the face of a man 80 ilvls higher than you

[coral ibex]

i made the mistake of getting my skardyn from a +6 and not a +7 so i'm not released from prison yet

[spice spire]

Whispyr’s sd when it sees it’s opponent is MakeitQuake

[balmy condor]

yeh we killed brood yesterday, I'd personally take the ring cause heroic ring SURELY goes to me soon

[cerulean walrus]

SUREY

SURELY* even

[remote moss]

fingers crossed XD wait calling it now you get it in weekly box yeah?? 😄

[spice spire]

Nah whispyr got the mythic skardyns in his.
To offset the uh

How many runs

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr may say I suck… he may call me a loser

But at least I have something he does not

626 Skardyn’s

[balmy condor]

5 myth slots

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

3 bracers

[spice spire]

Ain’t no way

[cerulean walrus]

It’s okay man

[balmy condor]

was uh

[crisp pine]

huge

[cerulean walrus]

I also took a socket this week

[runic hinge]

Same

[cerulean walrus]

[tulip fern]

Honestly that’s a skill issue

[balmy condor]

ocarina from mists

and then myth shoulders

and then 3 bracers

[tulip fern]

Just loot better

Jkjk if I were blizzard I’d give you a 623 skardyns

[cerulean walrus]

Ah edging him I see

[balmy condor]

If I were blizzard I wouldn't play this game

[cerulean walrus]

Only 623

[tulip fern]

He’s got to upgrade it himself, I’m not out here trying to give freebies

[cerulean walrus]

[hidden torrent]

I know someone said the reason, but I can't find it in chat now.
I have transmitter, void reapers, and skardyns, but why does transmitter/contract sim higher than with skardyns?

[runic hinge]

Whatever you say John blizzard

[winged basin]

Literally me last week 😦 3 myth slots, full heroic, full delves lmao, couldn’t even get a myth tier piece

[royal lantern]

wait, i thought you are working for them and their evil schemes to nerf popular things

[young dust]

yo guys im doing mythic prog, am i total POS for not trading skardyns with leech?

[pallid bough]

Mine was a choice between myth transmitter, skardyn grace or rare cloak from rashaan

[spice spire]

Do you know the person

[keen spruce]

Are you guys doing open rolls?

[young dust]

no

pug

[spice spire]

Skardyns is dungeon

[keen spruce]

O

[spice spire]

Then absolutely not

Gains are gains

[keen spruce]

Then fkem

[spice spire]

Enjoy

[young dust]

thanks i feel better

[keen spruce]

Pugs are just advanced NPC programmed to help you get loot

[spice spire]

If I ran with whispyr again and I got skardyns with leech

And didn’t trade

I’d be an asshole

Randos?

Miss me w that

[keen spruce]

That would also be pretty lengendary tho

[spice spire]

Nah I’d never do that to him

I kind of already did once

[spice spire]

This is it surely

[arctic socket]

i wanna kms

i hti the skardyn's grace roll

on the 619

😦

[royal lantern]

no you dont

[spice spire]

Bruh

Also

Yeah don’t say that but that sucks

[arctic socket]

i mean

it';s true

tho

[spice spire]

Nah it’s a game we go agane

[arctic socket]

ye so

[spice spire]

Next time we fill vault with tens

[arctic socket]

do i take the hero grace to replace my champ grace

[spice spire]

(I’ll never)

[arctic socket]

or the worm to replace my champ worm

[spice spire]

Wtf even is worm

[arctic socket]

ringworm

ring

fuckin dumb ass

[spice spire]

Mad

[royal lantern]

mf having parasites

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

oh shit

the grace rolled leech

[vague flare]

do u guys play caustic spatter on heroic ulgrax and bloodbound horror? doesnt seem very worth to me

[arctic socket]

i go full st for all of the herioc bosses besides court

adds die WAY WAY WAY too fast in my grp

[vague flare]

That's what I figured

Even broodtwister?

Depends on the group I'm sure

[plush flint]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange python]

wld a hero track bis wep be better than a crafted?

[cobalt sphinx]

no

[novel star]

bis is fake news

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[strange python]

why not?

[cobalt sphinx]

hero track?

[spice spire]

Because you can craft to 636

[cobalt sphinx]

are we talking 626 or 619 hero track vs 636 crafted?

[spice spire]

And hero ends at 626

Higher ilvl = more dam

[cobalt sphinx]

no embellishment? and you can pick the stats on the crafted item

the stats are directly tied to the item level and hero is strictly inferior ilvl

[strange python]

more context the OH is alrdy crafted with embelish

[cobalt sphinx]

recraft it with a gilded crest

[spice spire]

So wouldn’t you just upgrade that to a 636

[strange python]

u right

[spice spire]

I’ll let you know if I get a gb

Can invite the healer again

It’ll be a chuckle

[bronze pike]

invite me insated

i need

for trinket :berarsmile:

[pliant remnant]

I am gonna nap like a baby, knowing that my vault in 5 hours will contain a Skardyn's Grace

This is not copium

No more Grim Batols after reset

[spice spire]

The mark?

[bronze pike]

ye

[spice spire]

The DK we were running with got a myth mark today In vault

[balmy condor]

pantaloons

[bronze pike]

poggies

[spice spire]

Are you ok king

[balmy condor]

gonna go count my grims

[bronze pike]

count these

[balmy condor]

I've seeen these pants 5 times

[coral ibex]

imagine running an ara kara +8 and listing it as a crest farm and you literally dont know how the suck mech on the last boss works and grief so hard you make the healer leave

[bronze pike]

[coral ibex]

can't make it up folks

[tall jay]

I hate that damn boss

[coral ibex]

its so easy man

you dont even need to do the puddle yourself

you can step out

[tall jay]

I need to watch some game play…that whole dungeon is great minus that one

[coral ibex]

i mean doing the puddle is easy and the right way

but if you ever cant find a puddle, just wait until the end of the suck and step out

[spare cradle]

When I'm not in combat and in stealth, if I come out of stealth there's a short delay before I can restealth. What's the reason for this delay, it feels longer than a gcd?

[silent granite]

anyone know how to sim with wax on raidbots?

[next dust]

it's over, 38 runs only

[spice spire]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[lethal mortar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

Oh also mists

Is just

The worst

[coral ibex]

changing your "stance" aka stealth has a 2s cd

its the same reason you can't accidentally unstealth by spamming the keybind

[hollow talon]

did something change for raidbots i am simming lower than last week w same gear/talents

[dapper cradle]

at how many targets do we usually stealth?

2+ or 3+?

[balmy condor]

link the sims

[split veldt]

any of you using wax

[hollow talon]

nvm ima dummy sry mr whis per

[viscid spear]

[dapper cradle]

down horrendous bro

i'm at the 606 skar too though

[viscid spear]

Void Contract in GV though, probably going with neck I think. Just need to spam AK and GB like a fiend

[viscid spear]

Worse part was I was running AK with a guildie and we did that place because I said, and I quote, "I need the trinket from there". We finish dungeon, he says "here's the trinket!" and hands me the Edict.

[native silo]

do we know yet if wax is good again or am i trolling?

[viscid spear]

Sim is telling me to take the 619 Contract, I'm worried

[dapper cradle]

link the sim king

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ruac1RNHLDdLjx7YmGHwxs

No bully

[dapper cradle]

contract is really good if you're playing outlaw as well

[vast loom]

i mean based on what im seeing your other trinkets sucks

[cobalt sphinx]

What is so worrisome

Isn’t that a tank trinket

You might be able to get a better trinket from random heroics

[viscid spear]

I only have 1 of the Bludgeons

[viscid spear]

[dapper cradle]

ideally you're running a dagger in the offhand

[vast loom]

contract looks like your best trinket for sure its not a weird sim lol

[dapper cradle]

honestly looks like a contract angle

stats on other GV stuff aren't great

plus, you can multi spec with confidence if you're into that

[viscid spear]

The concern was more from picking it over something like the neck, with the idea that I should really be trying to get Grace & Sacbrood

[cobalt sphinx]

sacbrood isn't even that good

[viscid spear]

Spyglass then?

[young flicker]

so why do we FoK at 2 targets instead of Mut? seems like I generate more with Mut on 2 targets tbh

[cobalt sphinx]

you can get anything in that second slot

void reaper, spyglass, sacbrood, ritual knife, mandate

[viscid spear]

But Grace for sure is superb

[cobalt sphinx]

you need that or transmitter yeah

[viscid spear]

Transmitter dropped when Heroic Regicide dropped, only got the dagger because I was the only Rogue. Monk got the trinket.

Reclear today, and we easily get to Queen and with the nerfs we should be getting AotC this week.

Just gotta channel my good luck

Would Regicide be the better OH for Outlaw or the Kukri

[cobalt sphinx]

apparently it's fok on 3 or more, or 2+ with

[viscid spear]

Got these 2 when I picked up the trinket

[cinder bone]

imperfect ascendancy serum is fine too if you have all heroic track options right?

[simple violet]

Do you think in 11.0.5 we’ll still take thistle tea over subterfuge?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it is pretty good on equal ilvl

[young flicker]

ty, for spending the gilded crests...should we focus on trinkets, off-hand weap, or main armor slot (chest/legs) first?

[cobalt sphinx]

ascendancy serum is still broken in simcraft and consumes its own global

do not use gilded on offhand

[spice spire]

Trinkets main armor

Minor armor then offhand

[cobalt sphinx]

trinkets and chest/legs are pretty similar, might just be a sim thing if you think they're permanent slots

did someone just get automodded

i wouldn't take dagger because it'll drop off the boss and nobody else wants it

[bronze dune]

Nah I deleted soz, accidentally sent early haha

My vault has mythic dagger or heroic queen ring. Which do you reckon would be better long term factoring in that I probably wont kill mythic queen?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah the way i see that is that every single player in your guild wants a queen ring, but you are the only person who wants a bloodbound dagger

[bronze dune]

its not bloodbound dagger, its from m+

[cobalt sphinx]

oh yeah same thing

[bronze dune]

so i could potentially get bloodbound too

[cunning needle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cobalt sphinx]

zero competition on that slot either way vs maximum competition

[bronze dune]

yeah that makes sense

would the heroic queen ring sim better than a mythic ring without the effect tho?

also, i already have the normal queen ring. idk if that changes my decision as well

[hardy prairie]

do we only send shivs for kingsbane or do we send a dry one in between?

[sinful elk]

double shiv

oh if you mean entirely outside the window

[hardy prairie]

yea

cause one comes back outside

[bronze dune]

you need both up when KB comes off CD tho

[cobalt sphinx]

with only one shiv you do one kingsbane one in between

with two shivs you send both in kingsbane

[cobalt sphinx]

that is a question for gear compare https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gfTHVu5rF3cuSXyG4bMyTt

heroic queen ring > crafted=ovinax

on single target

might be different on dslice

or with different gear

[bronze dune]

thats a crazy difference actually

considering ilvl

might have to go ring then

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah 0.4 is bigger than i expected

[bronze dune]

ilvl diff feels bad but yeah considering no one else is getting the agi daggers, it shouldnt matter

praying for bloodbound dagger tonight

[tulip fern]

Quick question, for first death mark after opener, do you wait for vanish when playing imp garrotte or do you send vanish midway through

The rest would sort of sync so just that one that matters really

[novel dragon]

I use it to refresh my first garrote during the Deathmark window

And now I also have a quick question lol- Skardyn's Grace is clearly on like every high parsing sin rogue in raid. But on sims it's not liking it as much, What gives?

[tulip fern]

Mental tax on transmitter is too high sometimes

[novel dragon]

yea it keeps telling me to put my transmitter on

[tulip fern]

Skardyns you just macro and your chillin

[daring hamlet]

is there a way to avoid getting multiple stacks of void rush in city of threads?

i got 100-0'd in less than a second with 2 stacks it looks like

with feint rolling

[cobalt sphinx]

do you have 5 people in range

it divides the stacks onto the party

you'll get more with less people

[daring hamlet]

okay, so if you have 5 in range, you should only ever have 1?

er maybe im misreading details - does this mean you have two stacks - referring to the x2 debuff part

cause right above that in grey it says this

[cobalt sphinx]

how much damage did it do

it was only ticking 810k on cot 11

[daring hamlet]

looks like each tick was about that on a 12

[sinful elk]

is this exciting? or my feelscraft getting the better of me

[wispy epoch]

stonevault 11, pretty happy

probably my biggest number

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it was hitting 4-5 people for 810-840k premitigation in my log

i think 2 stacks means someone was out of range

[daring hamlet]

does the x2 in purple mean 2 stacks?

cuase the grey screenshot has a x1

and that was like right above the purple line

[cobalt sphinx]

did you take multiple physical hits? it's like 5 physical hits that each apply a shadow dot

[solar orbit]

what are realistic numbers of uptime for bleeds and envenom on queen?

[daring hamlet]

how can you see this in details?

no idea how many hits i took

[cobalt sphinx]

You can filter by phase if that helps, should be 95+% in p1 i1 and p3

[sand briar]

my guild has 2 rogues, are there any bosses that one of us should swap to numbing poison? broodtwister?

[cobalt sphinx]

Idk i forget what details can and can’t show, i just log my runs so i can check it after

[daring hamlet]

so this is what i see in the log

i took 3 void rush hits and died in 1s

for a total of like 6.25 mil in those 3 hits

[solar orbit]

Didn't know that was possible, thanks

[winged basin]

10 min kill RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[daring hamlet]

so in wcl this is what I'm seeing

[fossil shell]

Is treacherous transmitter good for us?

for keys and raid? or one of them?

[cobalt sphinx]

Two phys hits and a dot tick, someone must have been out of range for you to take two hits

[cobalt sphinx]

Numerically as good as skardyns plus a headache

[fossil shell]

because it has conditions?

[cobalt sphinx]

You have to chase shit around lol

[daring hamlet]

you know what that makes sense lol - our mage had died and was heading back, so our tank pulled before he got there

so ig lesson is you cant really pull that pack without everyone present

[fossil shell]

we had to chase balls last xpac anyways

[tranquil pilot]

Hi, I'm kinda torn between 4 of my trinkets to use. All of them at 619: spyglass, mad queen, void contract and shadow ritual knife. Maybe someone could help me out? I'm taking spyglass + knife for m+ and mad queen+void contract for raid.

[daring hamlet]

cause 2 ticks doesn't seem manageable without an immunity

2 stacks*

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah you can probably only live it if people are ready

[thin portal]

hey guys

every piece of gear i get is mastery so might as well go Sin

nice to meet ya

[daring hamlet]

i didn't have a health potion available - i'd used one 3 minutes earlier, didn't have crimson vial up and had used cloak 1.5 minutes earlier so it stillw asn't up

nothing else I could do even if i was more "ready"

[cobalt sphinx]

Call for SLT because it won’t be needed until the boss

[daring hamlet]

ig i could've evasioned for the small magic dr but i dont think that would've done anything against this

its not that small, maybe 20% dr woulda been enough to slow it down and get healed

[daring hamlet]

how can you tell there were 2 phys hit and 1 dot tick from that screenshot btw?

[cobalt sphinx]

Colors

[daring hamlet]

you're right though - i went to the dmg taken at the exact moment that phase rush went out and everyone took dmg except the mage

[cinder quartz]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[daring hamlet]

and obv my dmg taken was like double everyone elses

so i just took a second hit cuase the mage wasn't in range

[coral ibex]

the mines rewarded me

[tall jay]

Congrats

Got mine in the vault of forgiveness today

[visual sun]

what ritual do we need to do for a grace 😦

[keen glade]

@visual sun we are looting mines of moria i guess

[daring hamlet]

is the blue/purple-ish color a dot and the beige-ish color a phys hit?

[tall jay]

Well…see what happed was

[arctic onyx]

sry for dumb question, is x2 radiant better for m+? also what about raids

[daring hamlet]

can you immune the physical hit from void rush with evasion?

[thin portal]

Just pressing buttons and i can do 500k

i wonder what rotation dmg is like lol

[cinder geode]

Has anyone tested what nexts weeks changes feel like ? is it a net buff for us?

[dawn heath]

my man

[cinder geode]

2x radiant is bis for m+ and also not bad for raid

sometimes could be better depending on the uptime on it

[dawn heath]

windows button hold down shift and press S and the same time, win sh+s

[arctic onyx]

thanks!

[sand briar]

if my raid has 2 rogues, should one of us swap to numbing poison?

[strange python]

severed strands buff still says 0% after handing in the quest?

[tall jay]

Have you checked while in a raid setting?

Some in my guild have said the same but didn’t check their buffs while in raid

[cinder geode]

yes

[tall jay]

Wait your guild has 2 rogues? Ain’t think guilds had 2 rogues lol…no one wants to play rogue with me in my guild

[sand briar]

ikr its been so long since ive had anotehr one in raid with me

outside of lfr 😛

[cinder geode]

its possible to get buff this week ?

i thought it was timegated till next week

[strange python]

btw you guys running caustic on first boss?

[tall jay]

Strange? I don’t know then? So…should we not turn the quest in? Sorry I wasn’t been a smartass or anything , I honestly don’t know, some said it didn’t show and some said it did show, please forgive me

[strange python]

I guess it's not until next week

but I don't know how

cuz the wowhead post I saw said it should have been this week

idk I could be blind

[tall jay]

Right…that’s why I hardly ever worry about making weapons…I usually always get mine within the first week or two of heroic week lol

[cinder geode]

it just started this week, afaik you only get 16 next week

[strange python]

I got 8 last week 8 this week

[tall jay]

Same

[strange python]

and just handed in the quest..

[south token]

how can I see which weapon enchants were used in a log?

temporary i mean

[karmic crystal]

it should show on the summary page

click player -> summary tab -> hover over their weapon equipment

[south token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PaxqMRwk9r8fYAmC#fight=13&type=summary&source=16

[karmic crystal]

sharpened + 469 attack power

[south token]

oh damn im blind

thanks

[karmic crystal]

np

[shadow badger]

venoms still bugged?

[balmy condor]

wdym still bugged

what bug

[shadow badger]

like the reason people werent playing it

[balmy condor]

??????

weren't playing WHAT

bro

details

[dapper cradle]

Don’t tell him bro

[shadow badger]

sorry pulled silken. people were playing shrouded instead of venoms a couple weeks ago for a reason that i thought i remembered being a bug with venoms in some sort of way.

[balmy condor]

no

it just sims higher for them

[shadow badger]

oh is there a reason for that

[balmy condor]

more damage

idfk man

[shadow badger]

lol

[novel star]

fury moment

[dawn heath]

What do i need to do to loot a skardyns in my vault

[visual sun]

fix the imaginary venoms bug

[wispy marsh]

Any gems y'all don't sim? Says I have too many selected at the moment.

[bronze dune]

could just drop vers

[nova aspen]

no ring boyz

doesnt exist

[cinder geode]

will there by any point to going tea after 11.0.5 now that you cant control it and it auto procs

will 2 pts lethality just be the move

[lucid rain]

would it be worth using both transmitter and skardyn's grace in m+?

I feel like you could save skardyn's for the 30% window during post-deathmark maybe?

[balmy condor]

not even remotely

[balmy condor]

you can control it though

[lucid rain]

transmitter/spyglass then?

[balmy condor]

that's fine yeah

[lucid rain]

ty

[dawn heath]

Transmitter 🛌

[lucid rain]

[slim pebble]

Just lost mark on Silken Court and hit the wrong button when I vanished. AMA

[shut bobcat]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[lucid rain]

I don't quite understand what causes being under 50% energy to be a good thing

[coral ibex]

having sanguine proc outside cooldowns is a waste of energy

[lucid rain]

disallowing sanguine blades to steal energy?

gotcha

[coral ibex]

and deathstalker wants to consume lots of marks

independent of sanguine

[lucid rain]

right

ty

[wispy marsh]

When you've got Darkest Night do you build to 7 to ensure you're using the proc or let it happen naturally?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[runic hinge]

Immediately build to 7

[wispy marsh]

Thank you

[mint valve]

how do you see your dawnthread uptime?

also what is thrombotic tincture?

[balmy condor]

thrombotic is 4pc

[mint valve]

ahh got it

[balmy condor]

dawnthread you can just see from logs or details

[mint valve]

details is buff uptime?

[balmy condor]

it can yeah

[mint valve]

hmm i dont see it in buff uptime for some reason

[ripe rapids]

how does raidbots sim the trinket from Broodtwister? do I need to stand still and worry about managing the stacks? or can I just do my little melee wiggle dance?

[balmy condor]

it averages more on the moving side I think

randomly goes up and down around 15/15

but as long as you're not above 20 stacks on any of them

it's fine

[balmy condor]

can look at it in logs then under buffs then idk

[glad kraken]

speaking of uptime, whats a good baseline envenom buff uptime to look for?

[errant mauve]

We want to just send 5 rupture 1 garrote on packs where we don’t get restealth then CT or CT first

[mint valve]

my friends details shows dawnthread but mine doesnt show it for some reason

[balmy condor]

anything around like 85 is probably fine

[smoky belfry]

I have a silly question I think.

Why do we shiv before kingsbane? I get the death mark doubles the application - right? But don’t you want the application count to be high during kingsbane? So why not do both shivs after kingsbane?

I realize there’s something important missing or misunderstood. So any help would be great.

[balmy condor]

CT first 100%

[balmy condor]

kingsbane does instant damage

[charred tree]

Any tip on arakara 1st boss with spider adds? Always seem like in pugs we have a tough time killing them and getting webs everywhere.

[balmy condor]

and shiv lasts 8 seconds

[novel star]

kingsbane stacking and dot ticking happens at the same time

you dont stack kb and then get a dot based on stacks

the dot ramps while its dealing damage

so 100% shiv coverage is wat matters

also instant damage yea

[balmy condor]

kingsbane is 14 seconds, shiv is 8

so shiv -> kb is still covering the whole kb

and you get to buff the instant damage

and it's just fine

[silent delta]

Does evasion work for brood parasites?

[errant mauve]

You guys run the shiv talent that gives 2 charges in M+ or just ST

[glad kraken]

you're the goat, ty

[dapper cradle]

the recommended hybrid m+ build has only 1 charge

[spice surge]

No

[smoky belfry]

Okay I think that makes sense. There’s just something about that was/is tripping me up. Appreciate the answers

[dapper cradle]

you're a big willem dafoe fan eh?

[novel star]

st

[balmy condor]

willem dafan