assassination

[balmy condor]

it's about finishing as fast as possible to pull the slot machine in the 30 second timer

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/gZ6XZZw.png this is a real eleem TM build

[balmy condor]

the more finishers you do in 30 seconds, the higher your chance to land on 7cp

it's simple math

[spice spire]

Yeah but riddle me this

Why didn’t he vanish

[strange python]

how do i start a pull if i have darkest night proc? with ambush?

[balmy condor]

if you'd like

or you can go straight into bleeds

[bleak spoke]

tbh wouldn't you garrote er

maybe garrote er fok rupture?

[balmy condor]

it's no difference really

[west crown]

Hypothetically Whispyr, if we are taking TTK in single target. What would we drop

[bleak spoke]

err rather

garrote er env fok rupture

[waxen oyster]

stinky transmitter user

[bleak spoke]

possibly

[bleak spoke]

I HATE TRANSMITTER SO MUCH

[waxen oyster]

i got my skardyn

freedom

[coral ibex]

is heroic ansurek impossible with an odd numbered group or are these people coping

[spice surge]

Just cope

Ofc its possible

[gilded oasis]

just get better healers

[coral ibex]

can you not balance the pop stacks with an odd number

like is it just not possible

[gilded oasis]

venn diagram

[coral ibex]

pugs are never gonna get that down

lmao

[bleak spoke]

you can't pass the gate without taking MA or 5% poi chance i guess

lookin at that

[waxen oyster]

even kyveza is hard for pugs

[bleak spoke]

(well, sanguine also consideration but whatever)

[waxen oyster]

swear that boss looks so free

for ranged

[bleak spoke]

it's so payphone for ranged

[waxen oyster]

i watched a shaman ankh

into nogo zone

[bleak spoke]

i think on our heroic week splits we were like perma 5 stacks cuz ppl were afk when boss was explained

[waxen oyster]

worst is when someone tries to explain shit

on break

as if people are there

[static glacier]

imagine listening in general

[bleak spoke]

okay but like there's no excuse we literally have a raider who is deaf and he did it fine

[waxen oyster]

Max music volume, RL down, neighbor’s wifi

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-cropped-gif-25863603

blasting

[waxen oyster]

look man im just here to complain

when we get no good items

like trinkets/rares

[bleak spoke]

dude we are missing like 6 spymasters

it's unplayable

we do two normal and hc splits every week

[coral ibex]

lmfao i think we got like a 6 stack on the first pop

[tired gull]

i have spymaster's on my rogue

[coral ibex]

and i'm turbo cucking some other assa who has 5 ilvl on me

[west crown]

Agility spymasters would be niiice

[exotic pulsar]

eh i pugged aotc on my rat ww alt just fine, just invite people with functioning frontal lobes

[coral ibex]

how do you test for such a thing in group finder

[barren summit]

!weakaura

[coral ibex]

!wa

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[west crown]

I feel like m+ io would reflect this well enough

[runic hinge]

M+ players have functioning brains?

[thin plinth]

Hi guys, i am 609 ilvl with 619 enchanted weapons but i only sim 850k with M+ talents... can someone check out my simulation and guide me what to improve ?

[coral ibex]

are you simming dungeon slice

or patchwerk

[thin plinth]

patchwerk

[coral ibex]

well there you go

use dungeon slice for m+ sims

patchwerk for ST

[cobalt sphinx]

m+ talents suck on st

[coral ibex]

^

[thin plinth]

can i quick sim dungeon slice

or top gear

[coral ibex]

850k single target with m+ talents at 609 sounds right

yea in quick sim

[thin plinth]

ah found it

and embelishments 60% ?

[coral ibex]

i think 80%

but idk i use the nerubian embellishments so its different

[thin plinth]

ok goona do 80

this is the result on dungeon slice

[cobalt sphinx]

you gotta start farming gold for a race change lil man

[thin plinth]

💀

[coral ibex]

lol yea that looks more like it

make sure to adjust the buffs bc it often defaults to full raid buffs in a dungeon

i usually just give myself lust and my consumes

[west crown]

Shaman buff is probably a given too. Hard to find a group without one

[thin plinth]

without raid buffs just with a flask it sims 1.1 Mil 😄

[west crown]

That’s closer to normal

[thin plinth]

I guess i have to become a better player 😄

When i play with my friend 614 dk he does like 300k more overall

[west crown]

Well that’s FDK

[thin plinth]

ye

[west crown]

FDK and a good Enhancement will beat you

[rare horizon]

in ST it is better to use tea to get energy to maintain the uptime of envenom or bursting for mastery and ene:

?

or situational

[west crown]

Use tea during shiv for damage and don’t over cap energy

[thin plinth]

I still find it difficult to go like over 2.5Mil on packs of mobs. when i watch some other people on twitch they reach like 5mil + dps on the same packs

i guess they are like 620 or something but still

[west crown]

Yeah those 10-15 ilvls so a lot. And those videos probably have bigger packs

[fallow marsh]

Yeah I’m struggling with understanding how to open up on mobs for big damage

[west crown]

In m+?

[fallow marsh]

Yeah

Raid is pretty easy I’m happy with my parses there

[hardy prairie]

do we not use fan of knives in raid st for clear the witness procs?

[fallow marsh]

Not if you have venomous wounds iirc

[west crown]

Get Deathmark up with Darknest night or ambush. Garrote twice, rupture twice, mutilate for spatter fok tempest

Then go into maintenance and envenom spam

[strange python]

I love this spec and class in ww holy moly

[fallow marsh]

Yup

[strange python]

My main now

[fallow marsh]

How should cooldowns be used I can make sense of shiv and KB but our 2 minute feels wasted on trash

[west crown]

The higher keys you go you use KB in every pull or every other pull

But KB prio targets and deathmark if it’s a big mob. Like the solo mobs in Mists maze

[fallow marsh]

Makes sense

[west crown]

Or first Lavabender in GB

When you have big prio mob and time before boss to get it back

[ashen rover]

U should use on cd as much as u can, except when you know there's gonna be a hard pack or boss. It really depends on your key level as well, it's situational. But you'll get a hold of it with practice

[fallow marsh]

Thanks

What’s a good overall dps to aim for on a dungeon run

[keen spruce]

more than 1m

?

very much depends on gear and comp and route

2m is generally very very good

1m probably on the low side

but that was like

a week or two ago so idk anymore

I'll go with "more than the tank"

[coral ibex]

if ur above 610 you should be pulling 1.3m+ overall i think

in a pug

with coordination it should def be higher

[kindred elm]

The way I understand it is KB spatters off of main target onto the pack and your 2 min deathmark doubles your KB ticks (as well as making your other poisons double tick) so that leads to big CS dam

Plus ofc your bleeds double ticking gets the prio mob down faster itself

[balmy condor]

right idea

but not entirely accurate

deathmark doesn't do anything for kingsbane directly

the extra lethal dose stacks and the duplicated poisons are the interaction

[cunning scaffold]

Yeah I noticed that sending things desynced last week because of the cdr affix felt fine

[static glacier]

why can't deathmark just let us apply its effects in aoe

double bleed / poison applications to all targets

[keen spruce]

!upgrade

[balmy condor]

because that's insanely broken

[static glacier]

instead of being a target bound debuff

they'd tune down our dots / poisons and caustic

would love to have not the worst version of a cd

[balmy condor]

they'd tune down the entire spec into the dirt lmao

[static glacier]

debuff on target style cds suck

[balmy condor]

I mean that's the spec though

like caustic is only allowed to exist

[kindred elm]

Ahk mb

[plush bronze]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
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[balmy condor]

because aoe poison/bleed cooldown doesn't

CT is allowed to exist

because gar/rup doesn't just auto apply to everything in a pack for free

[past panther]

careful or they’ll target cap us

[waxen oyster]

I mean technically

[runic hinge]

remmber when it did tho

[past panther]

still probably won’t be as bad as outlaw

[waxen oyster]

you get a 30% nature damage increase

after deathmark ends

for 20s

[willow cloud]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhj!

[fossil shell]

is siphoning stiletto good?

[proven jasper]

Doodoo poopoo

[fossil shell]

nvm just looked on wowhead, says its bad

[proven jasper]

not good

[heavy forge]

... 2 deathstalker in the same group is still bugged, nice

[fossil shell]

should i craft dagger with dawnthread then?

[heavy forge]

it's been months since the release now

[waxen oyster]

you cant

[agile geode]

I know dumb question, but, do we Will get nerf during this tier, i mean, we're pretty strog and im afraid a bit. 👾

[fleet pagoda]

I wouldn't expect it, we just got a buff

[waxen oyster]

spec is average in raid

no one cares about your casual minigame

[agile geode]

We're more than average

[waxen oyster]

look at raid stats

[agile geode]

Just behind retri

[willow cloud]

Yeah, look at last week's raid stats bud, the only post buff week of stats

[waxen oyster]

You mean the one inflated by rash logs?

[open canyon]

!ui

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[arctic tusk]

when do u garrote

[static glacier]

real q is why is there such a difference in rash and sikran logs

[arctic tusk]

without ss?

[static glacier]

same place

you just shift where you use er

ambush > gar > er > rup > snd

[west crown]

I love the misinfo, keep it up so we don’t get nerfed

[static glacier]

I doubt we get nerfed before arcane / enh tbh

then again .5 patch is around the corner

[balmy condor]

rash starts at 60 dude

[static glacier]

completely forgot

EXECUTE PHASEEEEEEEEEEEEE

strange that UH isn't higher

they have a few execute talents too

shoutout zoldyk's from temu

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#sample=7&dataset=95&boss=2898

midpack st

[balmy dome]

How much dr does rogue provide with poisons?

[waxen oyster]

enh diff on kyveza is funny

[static glacier]

3.6

/w improved non lethal poisons

[waxen oyster]

and yes im aware its at 95

[balmy dome]

Tysm

[waxen oyster]

stupid to judge performance off players playing wrong

[static glacier]

highkey enh is crazy rng atm

but yeah it's clearly overtuned

[waxen oyster]

always has been rng

[static glacier]

the extra layer of tempest rng atm

i've seen our enh do over 30m dps over a few globals with good rng during adds on brood

but normally he can't even compete on aoe

[waxen oyster]

enh has been rng multiple expacs

[static glacier]

in recent memory it was v rng in abberus

[waxen oyster]

but people just love strawmanning outlaw as the rng spec

[static glacier]

can't remember if it was in s1/3

[waxen oyster]

for a design from 6 years ago

[static glacier]

law still does have above average variance in sims

though I remember dks being highest

[waxen oyster]

yes but its not soley due to rng

[waxen oyster]

surprised ret is that low

[arctic tusk]

isnt that a waste of CP for deathstalker

[balmy condor]

if you have shrouded, you ambush gar, that's 6cp, so you rupture

[static glacier]

How so? Ambush 2-3 + gar 1 + Er is not higher than 7

[arctic tusk]

if you dont have shrouded

[balmy condor]

if you don't have shrouded, you ambush gar, that's 4, you mut, then rupture

[arctic tusk]

okay yea thats what i thought

[balmy condor]

finish on 5

[static glacier]

Is there a real diff between er early or muting?

[arctic tusk]

prob no

[balmy condor]

no

[static glacier]

Well there’s your opener then

[waxen oyster]

for one more week

[static glacier]

I’m trying to remember wtf they did other than supercharger

[whole canyon]

what like yalls average % for sudden demise damage at end of keys

[waxen oyster]

like 3-4%?

maybe less

[static glacier]

^

Lower keys / bleed build have a higher number

[whole canyon]

i need to be better about getting those garrots back up then prob

[static glacier]

A lot of it will be CT tbh

[whole canyon]

yeah i guess i should specificed like the 7-10 range

[static glacier]

Idk why but whenever vanishing I prefer to vanish on ready to finish CPs

Pref going vanish > rupture

[exotic hearth]

Is there a way for us to avoid the pull during Queen intermission? Like will cloak prevent us being pulled into devour or evasion prevent the insta kill?

[west crown]

Sure if you want to nit pick to <1% players on mythic raid. But the class for most players in most raids is a top 5 ST

[waxen oyster]

No one cares about people playing wrong

It's stupid to judge something on people handling it incorrectly

[balmy condor]

you can step it

but you have to be a bit away

[sullen mural]

I mean i agree but sometimes blizz just patches for the bad players idk

Look at thistle tea in .5

Like what for man

[waxen oyster]

I mean

You have to remember

ret pally is one of the most popular specs

[sullen mural]

Its the most played

Actually

[waxen oyster]

those mfs couldnt even be bothered to press their offensive cd

so blizz just baked it into their rotation

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean

20 yd range melee

fisher price hit the shiny

immortal

good dam

[west crown]

It’s just a bad take imo. Saying the spec is mid for when it’s played optimally is not very logical

[waxen oyster]

Except it is

[west crown]

Regardless of how specs of supposed to be played. Actually how they are played is what matters when balancing

[waxen oyster]

If you're given a tool you judge it on how useful it is when used properly

sikran and kyveza are the only real st bosses

everything else has adds

and yes caustic is very goodge in raid

always has been

[west crown]

And the majority of sin rogues are blasting comparatively to other classes

[waxen oyster]

You havent played with a half decent enhance

or dk

[static glacier]

Thing is are you going to compare people at the same percentile or not?

We are okay to decent, I’d say we’re really good for a few fights too

But overall we’re not really top 5

[sullen mural]

My enhance shaman critting lightning bolts for 12 mil

[west crown]

I am comparing

[sullen mural]

Im sitting here critting 4m sadge

[waxen oyster]

rash is one of the only four bosses most players have killed

[west crown]

Drop the link Xiani sent to heroic and see the difference

[waxen oyster]

on mythic

and the execute range just beefs up sin numbers

[static glacier]

Heroic logs are a joke

[west crown]

Most players are a joke

[static glacier]

I pink logged silken court while not playing caustic

[waxen oyster]

heroic xddd

[west crown]

Game is still going to be balanced for them

[waxen oyster]

go into sale run

free spatter since buyers aint doing dam

[sullen mural]

Legit 1 boost run gg u have full pink logs

[static glacier]

If you’re saying sin has lower skill floor than other specs I’d say you’re right

Still harder than war / dk / ret

[waxen oyster]

i said this going into the expansion

[static glacier]

But not too hard at all

[waxen oyster]

sin has design wise a higher chance than sub or outlaw

of being the default raid spec

barring tuning

[static glacier]

It has execute and the best funnel

[waxen oyster]

spatter is pretty much

how aoe in raid

is typically designed

[sullen mural]

If caustic wasnt as overtuned as it is shit would be depressing

[waxen oyster]

periodic spawns

at time intervals

[static glacier]

I’d still say spatter is worse than a lot of other classes’ aoe

Would be better if it was from the rogue, not the target

[waxen oyster]

its very good considering it costs 1 talent point

[sullen mural]

I mean yes but

Its 1 talent point

[waxen oyster]

for otherwise doing an st rotation

[sullen mural]

For insane aoe

[west crown]

I’d rather a actual cast poison bomb than spatter

[static glacier]

We don’t give up St to aoe yeah

[waxen oyster]

or you can be like fury

[static glacier]

Sin does have some notable weaknesses compared to the other specs too

[waxen oyster]

where their st is kind of a joke

for their wild aoe

[sullen mural]

Rsther not

Rather*

[static glacier]

Our target switching is much worse

[waxen oyster]

its ok

better than it used to be

[static glacier]

And we need a target that lives to aoe from

[waxen oyster]

its not outlaw instant swap levels

[static glacier]

If we had adds that were all low hp we would suck

[waxen oyster]

but dot specs are generally bad at quick swaps

which arent that common in this raid

[static glacier]

Thankfully

Other than that sin tends to be tuned worse than the other specs due to ease of play I think

[waxen oyster]

they're not that common at all recent years

either you have an add that lives a dot cycle

or its a pad race add

on farm

[static glacier]

Stuff like worms / spiders on ovi

[runic hinge]

Mewody

[static glacier]

Due to spatter hitbox it litterally makes it turbogrief to switch to a worm

[waxen oyster]

i mean our damage on those is fine

[static glacier]

You can rupture / gar it

[waxen oyster]

if you dont have dks and warriors

instant erasing them

[static glacier]

I’m highest on worms in my guild

But still, it feels frustrating to be tied to a boss

[waxen oyster]

i dont mind

[static glacier]

Meanwhile ret

🙂

[waxen oyster]

rogue been a zug boss class

forever

[static glacier]

I remember vault

Depressing tier

Us and unholy being told “hit the boss”

[waxen oyster]

outlaw tier

you mean

[sullen mural]

Idm zug boss tbh

[static glacier]

It was until they nerfed it ye

[waxen oyster]

ehh

[static glacier]

Then was sub tier

[waxen oyster]

they were close

besides rasz

[static glacier]

We had all 3 rogue specs in the raid team

Typically I would win st/ OL won aoe

[waxen oyster]

the issue is typically

most people who dont main rogue

have 0 clue how the class works

so they try giving you some cooked ass takes on it

[static glacier]

They were both mains and decent

[crude kestrel]

Apply poison, apply bleeds go brrrr

[static glacier]

OL switched to feral on broodkeeper

[waxen oyster]

or my favorite

the people who have RLs

who go off rogue info that was accurate

2-3 expansions ago

[static glacier]

🌚

[waxen oyster]

me when i go into m+ for gear

and tank wants a shroud

then proceeds

to walk on top of the mob

[sullen mural]

That shit happens

So often

Its insane

[strong wing]

People think vial is OP xd

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/cvGiKBF.png

literally me every key

[runic hinge]

you gotta prio something no one else would

that's the secret

don't prio the big mob or the dangerous caster

do something weird

[west crown]

Prio your mc’d healer

That’ll work every time

[sleek dust]

How bad is algari mana oil compared to whetstone? Whetstone is SO much more expensive

[crisp stream]

Is it better to env before dm kb in aoe or after dm kb ?

[slate crown]

You can sim the difference, it's really not that bad, just use what you can afford and don't worry about it

[sleek dust]

Nice, I also heard about that wax which ima farm some of

[slate crown]

[arctic tusk]

is there a point in tracking bone spike

at all

[slate crown]

Tracking the buff stacks on you can tell you if casting rupture will award you with combo points, but you can also just react to that

If you're looking for a reason to justify not tracking something extra, you're fine to skip tracking it

[still stirrup]

Prio the mob in a totally different pack

[maiden wasp]

ohh my god i accidentally crafted a 619 int dagger

[slate crown]

You're not the first

[keen spruce]

[hot oriole]

Best embel for playing both sub+sin in raid, Sin in m+?

[nova kelp]

not a colossal difference between the 2 major options tbh

[hot oriole]

bet

[nova kelp]

but for me, 2 lens is better for sub by a larger margin than it's worse for sin

so 2 lens wins for me

but really the stat buffs might just be better

[hot oriole]

Thinkin about just calling it a day with double dawn

[nova kelp]

yeah, really though, none of the options make much of a difference really

just amake sure you HAVE them

[past forum]

Mark some random mob in the pack with skull, people will think you know something they don’t but really you just want them off your kb target

[humble cradle]

does cloak remove stinging swarm debuff on silken court?

[idle radish]

man 12 second master assassin seems interesting, lottta crits for kingsbane window

[nova kelp]

pity it's not 100% crit anymore

lol

[rotund oak]

its ok,outlul double vanish MA tech

supercharged HO

[balmy condor]

yeah it seems interesting until you realize you would have to take subterfuge

and then it's less interesting

[idle radish]

boom u right

[old sequoia]

for nerub-ar finery, can i kill same boss on normal for a second currency (if im not at 8 this week)? i assume no

[idle radish]

forgot about subt

[idle radish]

do u think this could make subt gamer back on the menu

[runic hinge]

what about 12 seconds of imp garrote and then i press nothing but garrote for 12 seconds

[idle radish]

imagine that

36 garrotes out?

op?

[nova kelp]

Oprahbleedfury

[idle radish]

nerf sin?

[rotund oak]

both u and guy streaming

have to cut myself in half

[errant mauve]

what are you top tier rogues putting out dps wise in 10+ keys

[old sequoia]

im not top tier but do 1.3 usually

[limpid hearth]

Depends on the key

[crimson vector]

90 gilded crests.. should i upgrade my crafted dagger or craft boots

[nova kelp]

depends on the key, the group, how smooth the run is... everything

idk though north of 1.6? I wana say

something like that

hoenstly I don't often pay attention

[old sequoia]

yeah im 618 and not great, so 1.6 seems more than reasonable

[nova kelp]

the way the group designs pulls is a big deal

[rotund oak]

there is no metric,big variance between keys and many factors

[errant mauve]

im losing alot of damage by not vanish garrote/rupture big packs arent i

[nova kelp]

the only thing I really ever compare myself to is the rest of the dps I'm with

[limpid hearth]

Not really

[rotund oak]

dagger

[limpid hearth]

Packs rarely live long enough for a fresh set of garrote/ruptures

Mostly for chain pulls

[old sequoia]

yeah chain pulls thats big

i smeld it often

[nova kelp]

chain pulls aren't THAT big of a deal especially when CT pumps so hard

though some pulls are worth the tiny downtime just to ensure the silence spam if the group is aware of it

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor gz on ur Ovinax kill bb ❤️

[nova kelp]

bah I remain in dangerworm hell, grats @balmy condor

[hardy prairie]

do you guys bother using CT on the spider adds in ARAK? or just caustic?

[blazing pumice]

i usually ct, maybe throw out a few ruptures and then usually fuck off back to boss

[rotund oak]

depends but i usually vanish on them and blow them up cba with add drama

[balmy condor]

tyty

[limpid hearth]

Vanish first set but after, one rupture, ct, spatter up then back to boss before webs

Ranged problem

[pliant grail]

Whispyr Just watched ur 1.5 hour video about sin m+. Dude u are amazing!

[rancid blaze]

Is there a way to sim bubbling wax or is it not good to use?

[balmy condor]

thanks

[balmy condor]

it's about equal to a whetstone

doesn't stack

so only use one

[rancid blaze]

ok thanks

[limpid hearth]

Whispyr is cool, tune into his stream for advice on when to press tea

Hes happy to share knowledge

[balmy condor]

[tawdry halo]

RIP i thought it stacked

[limpid hearth]

All weapon oil things are super minimal so its not a big difference and its free

[rotund oak]

oils are dirt cheap u can go wax+oil

but whetstones losing value as well

(in the market)

[still stirrup]

Oil is also 2hrs

[rotund oak]

yup

[still stirrup]

No idea why they arent both the same duration

[rotund oak]

i only know i need dawnbreaker or spyglass trinket asap

and none dropped yday

[limpid hearth]

This stupid candle trinket outsims it for me

[rotund oak]

[limpid hearth]

The crit proc

[pure raptor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[runic hinge]

Just get hero ritual knife

[rotund oak]

im not that well geard yet but on 620-ish the only trinkets that have some value are dawnbreaker,spyglass,the dagger from delves but its last,skadryns 1st by far

like skadryns worths basicly two trinkets

its that powerful

[limpid hearth]

Yea i finally got mine, the rest of the dungeon trinkets sim basically within variance for me

[young dust]

I go gor skardyns + anubikkaj as an all around

and skardyns+mandate on raid

[rotund oak]

mandate gigapoggers

got it on my mage

meme trinket

[limpid hearth]

Crit candle i can share with the homies (although i dont think the sharing part really works tbh)

[coral ibex]

skardyn/void contract is my best simming combo atm

by far

[young dust]

it feels so good when it crits on silken court for 20M

[rotund oak]

😂

[limpid hearth]

Void contract is a myth in my guild

[rotund oak]

i onetap alot of stuff in m+

its rly fun

[young dust]

I hate it in m+

[still stirrup]

Skardyn's is simming the same as transmitter for me, I just disklike the timing and the game is midly annoying sometimes

[rotund oak]

it gets higher value the higher u go

way too much dmg

[young dust]

because you want to reset (then you should use on 5m health) but if it crits you lose a lot of damage

and if you use on 10m health, might not reset

Very dumb

dont like it at all

[runic hinge]

Just always crit

[rotund oak]

frost mage bruv

[runic hinge]

It’s ez

[rotund oak]

[young dust]

But i run it on mists and NW

for first boss in mists and stitchflesh

[rotund oak]

ild snipe them constracts

coz F them

[young dust]

wrathstone 619 is simming 900 more than my skardyns 626

[keen rover]

Wrathstone?

[young dust]

Ya the ulduar trinket with huge agi on use

[keen rover]

Oooo

Worth slamming for?

[young dust]

its a very big alternative

[dim yacht]

sims less for me, so seems ~ same as a skardyns

[young dust]

If you get on the hero track its basically bis

[young dust]

on the chest

[dim yacht]

a hero track one sims same as my hero skardyns

[keen rover]

Hm ok. I have hero skardyns atm

[young dust]

dslice or ST? i believe i tested for ST

[dim yacht]

dslice, i only do m+

[young dust]

its an alternative nevertheless, might be way easier to drop or get traded in ulduar than GB lol

[dim yacht]

potentially yea

i paid 50k for someone to trade it to me

wanted to test it

[coral ibex]

wait are you guys joining multiple ulduars this week and going u need xd when it drops

[dim yacht]

no, you can only do it once

then youre loot locked

[coral ibex]

ah ok

well couldn't they trade you anyway

[dim yacht]

yeah they can, i had it traded on champion track

[torn shadow]

Are you guys running double shiv on GB?

[balmy condor]

What’s GB

Is that m+ or raid

[silk bane]

grim

butthole

[balmy condor]

Oh

That’s m+

So no

[dapper cradle]

Imagine not having a highly curated, pull-by-pull build for each dungeon

[soft shale]

[hexed frost]

shiv and amp go haaaaard af

[dapper cradle]

[sullen mural]

This mw or

[hexed frost]

mw?

[sullen mural]

tf did i say mw for

i have cancer

i meant mists

its 7am mybad

[hexed frost]

[sullen mural]

Fun fact enhance crits more than that with good rng without amp ;3

[rotund oak]

try arcane mage

😉

[sullen mural]

I rarely see them max hit for that much personally

but might just be player issue

Im just going of information i see in my own raidgroup

[rotund oak]

touch of the magi combo crits very high

i dont personally play arcane but ive seen stuff

[silk bane]

Ive seen 35M + hits on first boss of mis from DK and enhance

[sullen mural]

Max my enhance crit so far was 12.3m without amp just on a raidboss

(on a wipe kekw)

next pull we killed he crit 4m

fraud

[rotund oak]

yeah somewhere in that territory(30mil)

[brisk lodge]

is it cooked to drop bone spike in st? was thinking of something like this

[runic hinge]

more burst less overall

probably better in like a 2:30 fight

[sullen mural]

Pro tip

start dungeon with mad queens and go out and swap after first boss

thoughts

hit a juicy 50m crit

[rotund oak]

sim it friend,no magic there,we go by the numbers

[rotund oak]

im playing with mandate on my mage without amps on frost it crits around 18-20mil

its very wild

[sullen mural]

Yeah

everytime we go mists im tempted to use it

maybe actually gonna do it die and go out to swap quick

idk tho

-15s hurts

[rotund oak]

yeah dont think it worths

but good mages gigapump

silly numbers

[sullen mural]

I mean yeah

mage just solos that boss it feels like

xd

[rotund oak]

yup

diabolist destro also good

mfk@r calls down all hell on transition

[sullen mural]

I want a melee version of spymasters

such a cool trinket

[rotund oak]

yup not happening

best i can give u is skadryns

[sullen mural]

Yeah such a cool trinket

use me for mastery

uuuuu

original

[balmy prism]

Have you seen a good enh sham on first boss in mists? There we can talk about pump

[sullen mural]

No cuz i dont pug

and my grp has no enhance

[solar orbit]

Holy shit

[runic hinge]

sims 2.2% lower than with sbs for me and taking imp garrote and shrouded was -1.3%, idk what you gear is like tho

[hardy prairie]

if we wanna run CT for a raid fight do we typically just drop vicious venoms?

[pliant grail]

Iam always finding myself out of energy in the end (or sometimes middle) off the boss figt in m+. Any tips would be cool 🙂

[west crown]

There are raid specs on wowhead

[west crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[slate crown]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[hardy prairie]

they dont really reflect what is most used in logs

[runic hinge]

yes

[dark merlin]

Do you use your clear the witness proc when its single target?

[keen spruce]

technically yes

but you don't have to

[arctic socket]

If you’re using vv no if not yes

[keen spruce]

yeah what he said

[dim yacht]

niche question, if you have CT up on a single target but the original CT was snapshotted from 2+ targets, is it worth fishing for a fan crit for momentum of despair?

[sullen mural]

Other than clear the witnesses proc i wouldnt fok on 1 target ever but idk

not saying its the right answer

[balmy condor]

No

[pliant moth]

Are you meant to stay under 50% even with sanguine blades on death stalker?

[balmy condor]

Especially with sanguine blades

[grim jay]

Because its basically a suggestion rn with how our tree is now

The talent section even has an explanation about how you can swap quite some points around currently

And it all depends on what sims highest on your char

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but idk how fatebound might sim higher for some ppl

idk man

for dungeon slice that is

deathstalker is 5%+ better for me

[still stirrup]

Why would you take sanguine in the first place?

[rotund oak]

in all cases

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s the shiniest turd in the pile of shit

[grim jay]

If deez nuts of theirs arent strong, DN cant be good

I wouldnt play fatebound even if it was decently ahead in m+

Ngl

[rotund oak]

ild play fatebound i dont mind

its just that the math isnt mathing in fatebound

idk

[soft shale]

dont play fatebound play more deathstalker so they fix the bugs

[grim jay]

What hacha said and I like the DR for cloak/evasion

[rotund oak]

sub deathstalker plz

[soft shale]

nah sub is donezo

the 10 players that played it are 5 now

but still if they fix some more bugs maybe we can scam some new people

[rotund oak]

yup

[soft shale]

that still havent tried assa or installed details

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

After the cursed tech you discussed yesterday I firmly believe it is donezo

[soft shale]

i mean it is

but what can you do

assa is fine at least so rogue lives on

[grim jay]

Cant be for long

[rotund oak]

barely^^

[grim jay]

Wait for the rise of outlaw

And its joever

[soft shale]

i still find so funny outlaw got a nerf

when rogue was already mid

they literally have the numbers

[grim jay]

Just to get buffed again

[rotund oak]

outlaw st was wild

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

idk

they just miss acro

[soft shale]

you mean only getting beat by 300k on bm

instead of 400k like sub

[rotund oak]

😂

yeah that

i mean cmon

outlaw

[grim jay]

Outlaw so difficult

Gamebreakingly

They need rewarding damage

[rotund oak]

for whatever depravity and henious crimes have been commited in the pirate channel

they need a reboot

[grim jay]

The spec needs a reboot

Just delete it and build it up from scratch

[rotund oak]

every single cringy dh wannabe is inside there spreading toxicity

[grim jay]

That aswell ye

[hollow talon]

Outlaw makes my hand hurt

For bad damage

[grim jay]

Guess you got the physique of a grandma

[runic hinge]

cdr tied to uptime is a bad mechanic for wow

espcially melee

[grim jay]

It worked on frost mage

In the reverse case

But ye, not on melee

[rotund oak]

its not that its bad,its more like content is designed to not favor it

like imagine having fights with high uptime

outlaw would be a reasonable choice

[heavy trail]

been playing assassin now for 2 weeks or so, and getting better but whenever I up my difficulty I get nervous and start floundering a bit in higher keys. I guess whenever I try to go into a higher key then I should have a few drinks first to calm my nerves as I get cozy it all goes away and I do more damage and take usually the least amount of damage.

I find the spec very fun though even if it's not quite as easy to prosper as some others.

[grim jay]

Honestly, its kinda normal to be nervous if you are about to get some new experiences, but you dont need to. Just do your best and 9/10 times people that blame you got no clue anyways

And everyone does mistakes

No matter who, what rio or rank he has

[rotund oak]

abandon fear friend,its pointless,relax and njoy

[grim jay]

Only by doing mistakes and acknowledging them can you improve either way

https://tenor.com/view/wise-gif-5472200

[mystic osprey]

hey its not bad 😭

[heavy trail]

Thanks still did 800k and timed the +7 but I felt like down since the ret was doing 1.2 million. Appreciate the kind words.

[grim jay]

Ret is pretty strong on lower keys ive heard

Also overall depends on many factors

[thin plinth]

hi guys, does anyone have an estimate of how much i should be simming for m+ at ilvl 609/610

[royal lantern]

wait, so i cant improve anymore?

[grim jay]

No, you are purrfect

[rotund oak]

DS Rets blow up packs but turtle hard in bosses

tank dmg

there was a dude on a +9 sob he ended up doing 1.25mil i was in 1.39mil and i was outgearing him

spec is build to do stupid amounts of aoe dmg

[grim jay]

Idk havent seen one

Because frankly

Why would I want one in my group

[rotund oak]

i que them keys some times for crests now since im on farm mode

also punish them mfkers

know who's the king

[bright tartan]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[normal mist]

Yesterday after bricking my +10 NW, tried it again at +9 with guildies (my tank knows his shit and had 350io) and we +2chest it.
I got a 11siege lol

[subtle tundra]

thing with doing 10s is that if you dont have good score, people with good score themselves dont apply

i dont go in 10s with people that have shit score, im there for a weekly not a progress key

[silk token]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[normal mist]

I didn't have that problem when I did my 10, party was averaging 2300+ but me

I was 2k

And by "did my 10" tank left after dying to the first pull xD

[keen spruce]

make 👏 friends 👏

[runic hinge]

No

[normal mist]

This time I'm not complaining

[keen spruce]

i'm yelilng into the void

not at u specificallly

[normal mist]

I was just saying that I bricked my 10 because people don't know their shit, and yet did a 9 +2 with a guy that the last time he tanked nw (+20) was in shadowlands and all he needed was for me to ping the packs

(yes 10 is harder but I didn't even get to the tyrannical part since I didn't reach the 1st boss)

[quiet oar]

This is based

[normal mist]

Hopefully he'll start doing m+ because curve is done and 2.4 pvp is hard atm

[quiet oar]

huh?

You aiming for the 2.5k rio for the shoulder effect thingy?

[normal mist]

I am actually aiming for the 15 gilded per piece I'll need to get mythic appearance (already got 4 pieces), but reaching 2500 for the extra tmog will be cool

And maybe do the portals

[quiet oar]

I mean for gilded

you can just do 8s

or last two heroic

Or being 619 on every piece and transforming your Runed to gilded

[normal mist]

Yeah I know

But eventually my tank will want the portals we don't yet have

So we need to 10 at least 6 dungeons

[quiet oar]

Oh i see

[normal mist]

For me it's about the tmog really

[quiet oar]

What class

was the tank in your 10

[normal mist]

Bdk

[quiet oar]

Hmm

BDKs should be pretty chill for this

I can tell you

being VDH

[normal mist]

That's why I invited the guy

I thought it would be super chill

[quiet oar]

i mean Bear or Tank warri

[bitter badger]

does Siphoning Stilleto actually good? It sims high in my droptimizer both patchwerk and dslice

[quiet oar]

would be the "best" prolly

[normal mist]

It's shit

[keen spruce]

it's beans

[quiet oar]

Check if droptimizer respects the 2 embelishment limit

maybe it equips it as 3rd

[bitter badger]

ooohh alright, I thought since it's in my main hands where my ascendance crafted weapon is, it still counts as 2 embel

[quiet oar]

But pugging in general

is the worst

in a long time

[normal mist]

It's alright, I just wanted to try it out xD,
I've mostly been living in gb anyway

[normal mist]

I've been feeling that hard

[quiet oar]

Idk what it is

Maybe a lot of people came back

and are just bad

or the difficulty curve a lot steeper

[normal mist]

9gb yesterday, vdh didn't know he should pre mitigate pulls and keep spikes up

[quiet oar]

or maybe its becuase people dont outgear 10s yet

if they are under 620

i can tell you being 629

you dont "fell" the hard hits anymore

Except Rot dmg

[normal mist]

I'm 619

[quiet oar]

Tbh

Even with Spikes

VDH gets so destroyed

I know the VDH struggle

[normal mist]

If you can choose to die with mitigation up or no mitigation up, I'd choose to die with my CDs popped

[quiet oar]

Cut the 1 and im all yours

[quiet oar]

Ye

Idk as VDH you have to jump away sometimes

When you dont have spikes or sigil

anymore

[runic hinge]

I think it’s cause of the squish. People who wouldn’t normally get into 10’s are now in +2’s and they can get carried to higher keys

[normal mist]

Oh you know that gif meme of dh jumping in rlp?

It's the same

[quiet oar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/611326455019733014/1233053949305684049/test23456.gif

[normal mist]

YES

[quiet oar]

i got you royalQT

[normal mist]

That's my vdh yesterday

[quiet oar]

Would rather have this tank

or this

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[normal mist]

Outch

[keen spruce]

yall never did a key with shmups clearly

if purg is available i'm pullin fuckin massive

and if purg isn't available i'm still pullin massive but we all gonna die

[brisk lodge]

i have pretty much no haste atm, just all crit mastery, so far ive only played IG/SS in single target but wanna try dashing scoundrel for better energy regen

[quiet oar]

i saw @wooden radish Tanking with his BDK in DF

That guy

is a menace

[brisk lodge]

and thought why not drop sbs for dashing instead of ig + ss

[digital pollen]

hello, is there a reason to use vanish with these talents? its the ovinax mythic fight and i see rogues using vanish but i dont really know why they are. arent we dropping all garrote amps? dont really see a reason to use it then. CMQA27SZpS4XnmFfcXRqkppuwPjZmZmZmxyMAAAAAAMLwyMAAAAAA022MzwDMzYMzMLz2MjxADzMzYmNLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwCA

[novel star]

!LAG

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[runic hinge]

I had dashing in all 3 builds.

I was just trying to get imp gar and ss in so I dropped vv and then I dropped sbs and doomblade so I could get sanguine and vv I think? Idk I shoulda linked the sim and now I’m in bed

[brisk lodge]

yee and im at work rn 😅, ill do some sims and feelcrafting when i get home

[digital pollen]

and wowanalyzer tells me that vanish is important - i dont get why tho 😄

[runic hinge]

I have a million haste tho. I think I’m sitting at like 24% so you could definitely sim differently if you’re low haste

[runic hinge]

Not sure wowanalyzer is fully updated

[runic hinge]

Anyways you can save vanish incase you lose your mark or something like that if you’re not running the garrote talents

[digital pollen]

yeah i know that it might not be - using it to compare my logs with r1 so still kinda helps

[digital pollen]

yeah, thats what i was doing. but you wont lose marks here. thats why i was confused

[keen spruce]

updated

but no one knows by who

so unverifiable accuracy

but looks pretty okay for at least the basic stuff

[runic hinge]

I need a lot more help than basic stuff

[balmy condor]

you can vanish on ovi'nax to remove webs

[keen spruce]

you're perfect just the way you are

[digital pollen]

i get freedom so i dont need it for that. so no dmg gain whatsoever. thanks guys 😄

[balmy condor]

lucky bitch

I don't get freedoms

[oak eagle]

neither do i

i have to suffer

whispyr

we'll suffer together

[digital pollen]

we have only me who cant jump/dash out. so thats their reasoning for giving freedom to me 😄 i wont complain tho

[cyan gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cyan gyro]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[subtle tundra]

im playing that on ansurek to get myself out of webs with vanish

and vanish desyncs from deathmark at some point

[quiet oar]

me neither

[mint valve]

what uptime are you guys usually getting on dawnthread in m+>?

[balmy condor]

from what I've seen from logs, anywhere from like 75 to 90%

[mint valve]

hmm okay thanks @balmy condor

[warm vortex]

Hey morning assa rogues

Hope we are good :)

[normal mist]

I am, are you?

[novel star]

good morning

i am pugging queen on havoc demon hunter

on oce ping

[runic hinge]

Hardest spec in the game I’ve heard

[novel star]

idk man its world of warcraft everything is easy

u just press buttons

anyone who egoes difficulty of any spec has never played an actually hard game

its like above average for wow but thats still toddler puzzle level overall

im tilted man

[warm vortex]

I’m good bored at uni

Longest uni day this week

Get here at 9 leave at like 5
So 9 to 5 p much lol

Had to leave home at 7 and won’t be home until like 7 tho too

[normal mist]

Sounds like a fun day

All my days are 8-5

[pearl ingot]

What’s the easiest spec for real looking for a chill twink. 🤔

[warm vortex]

Ok

[balmy condor]

hey

[warm vortex]

Tuesdays can suck if I also have lifeguard staff training

Usually if I get that
I leave home and 7am and don’t get back until 10PM

[novel star]

ret

is the real easiest

or bm

theyre kinda tied

[pearl ingot]

Sorry Boss

[cobalt sphinx]

7 minutes over in ara kara 10 on my frost dk in leveling greens

gonna see if fdk is really as op as they say

[balmy condor]

understandable

[novel star]

whispyr u keep saying ur not a twink

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[novel star]

or at least that ur not skinny

make up ur mind man

r u a twink or not

[balmy condor]

I'm whatever you want me to be

[novel star]

ur pissing me off.

[warm vortex]

A rogue

[novel star]

[warm vortex]

Preferably

[winged sun]

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

affirmative, pissing atm

[novel star]

proof?

haha

[warm vortex]

Pics or it didn’t happen

Smh

[winged sun]

Guys pissing isn’t cutting edge

Everyone pisses

[subtle tundra]

haha piss boy

[warm vortex]

Also

[winged sun]

Let the man pee in peace

[quiet oar]

You mean

Pee in Peece?

right?

[warm vortex]

every other month we have timed swims/tows as part of staff training

[winged sun]

Wtf is pee e

Peece*

[warm vortex]

So I have that after the entire day

It sucks

[quiet oar]

Zeross

Its a joke

[winged sun]

what

[quiet oar]

Becuase it sounds the same

Peace and peece

[winged sun]

i 🌊

[warm vortex]

Lmao

[ancient pendant]

Hi guys, what do you think about Without a trace + Master-assassin combo on 11.0.5?

is it really gonna last 12s after breaking stealth?

[novel star]

sure will

maybe good

maybe bad

who knows!

[subtle tundra]

yes

[ancient pendant]

awesome

and garrote for 17s?

i mean 12 + 5 (was nerfed from 6 to 5)

[subtle tundra]

all stealth buffs will be 12

[ancient pendant]

awesome

[subtle tundra]

the 5 is the silence duration

[ancient pendant]

i love this spec rn

[subtle tundra]

has nothing to do with stealth buffs

[ancient pendant]

it's 6?

garrote on Live server is 6 second silence + 15% Damage Reduction for 8 seconds

[subtle tundra]

yes. will be 5 second silence

[ancient pendant]

but on PTR it will become 5 seconds silnece + 15% DR for 5 seconds

still awesome

[subtle tundra]

ofc

[ancient pendant]

ty brother

maybe there is SIM about Without a trace tree + master assassin?

[subtle tundra]

i think er changes are nerfs -> without a trace is buffed -> will be close-ish in m+

im speculating

[subtle tundra]

no sims yet

[novel star]

sims are not ready

ptr itself is not even ready

so idk how the sims would be ready

[subtle tundra]

well

no changes today i think there wont be any more changes

[novel star]

fair

i just meant like bugs

but ye

[ancient pendant]

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[quiet oar]

Im still mad

that they remove ER

[subtle tundra]

💢

[novel star]

eh i like charger

[subtle tundra]

complete passive <<<<<<<<<<< active + minigame

also pressing er felt good to me