assassination

[coral ibex]

mad decent

[balmy condor]

pretty good after the buff

[rotund marsh]

ah wow nice

not a very common thing this season

[stuck tree]

been simming stuff and have a new ring layout but just curious since im still learning assa but how good is haste as a stat for us? i only have 5% lmao

[rotund marsh]

tier being shit is kinda the norm

[coral ibex]

!stat

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hallow ridge]

looked pretty bad for a minute but all good now

[stuck tree]

thanks!

[rotund marsh]

my stats are weird af lol

[balmy condor]

I mean the tier is "pretty good" compared to other tier

it's like

3% per

[hallow ridge]

are we sharing our stats?

[coral ibex]

the sim always wants me to juice mastery

[rotund marsh]

guess so lol

[balmy condor]

google fire up the random number generator

[rotund marsh]

whats that? i have 0 lol

[coral ibex]

based on your gear

my top sims always end up with turbo mastery

like 50% or more

[rotund marsh]

just got to 80 3 days ago

so i dont have the best stuff rn lol

[coral ibex]

yea dont worry about it

[hallow ridge]

I get speed on every vault ever

[coral ibex]

you dont need any particular stats

[runic hinge]

xd

[rotund marsh]

whys vers so bad for assa btw?

[coral ibex]

its not

[sullen mural]

its not

[rotund marsh]

does vers scale differently?

[sullen mural]

no

[coral ibex]

its just not as good as crit or mastery

marginally

[rotund marsh]

thought it went crit mast haste vers

[sullen mural]

Just equip what your sim tells you to equip it aint that deep

[coral ibex]

you could stack vers and it really wouldn't be much worse

[balmy condor]

the only time I look at my stats is when some dope in my chat won't leave me alone until I show it

[coral ibex]

just follow the ilvl

[balmy condor]

and then I instantly forget

[coral ibex]

more total stats = more better

[hallow ridge]

when do you go live so I can ask about stats

[rotund marsh]

thats what i do, but theres always a #1 optimal setup for specs eventually

[mystic osprey]

not bad

[coral ibex]

yea there is a bis but getting true bis is tough and a long journey

[runic hinge]

I looked today cause i got very rare neck and now i have a million haste

[coral ibex]

just follow the ilvl and your sims

[sullen mural]

You got to lvl 80 3 days ago

stop caring about #1 optimal

[balmy condor]

wouldn't you like to know

[rotund marsh]

so i play outlaw and assa, do you guys think i should turn these peices into 4pc tier or wait

[balmy condor]

you'll never catch me

[coral ibex]

assa just likes to get stats

get more stats

total

[tribal gulch]

tirna scythe neck sims better than sikran neck for me

[mystic osprey]

my eyes

[coral ibex]

yes im pretty sure 4p is solid for outlaw

[mystic osprey]

cant handle this

[runic hinge]

I don's sim pieces i dont have

[gilded dune]

SSing HDR game woah nelly I can't read that

[coral ibex]

esp with the anni patch changes

[sullen mural]

me and you both man

[balmy condor]

don't use catalyst charges on champ gear

[rotund marsh]

go make windows fix the win shift s screenshot for hdr for me

[hallow ridge]

gotta go fast

[sullen mural]

fastest assa rogue

[rotund marsh]

okay, was gonna go do heroic but my group wiped at bloodbound cause tanks didnt know mechs

[coral ibex]

dude i wish i proc'd speed on more shit

i love speed

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean hero track is farmable from m+

[coral ibex]

movespeed is goated

[balmy condor]

just do that

[rotund marsh]

wish people werent so fast to leave

[balmy condor]

and catalyst whatever random hero track shit you get

[gilded dune]

fixed

[tribal gulch]

heroic pug can be difficult later in the week

[rotund marsh]

im 601 rn, gonna need a sec until i get invites lol

[rotund marsh]

yeah its all alts

[sullen mural]

That spyglass is kinda hot

ngl

[rotund marsh]

which to be fair, im an alt too

but still

[coral ibex]

give me that spyglass

!

right now!

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-give-me-that-give-me-give-gif-23125119

[hallow ridge]

[tribal gulch]

still chasing that boralus crit mastery ring

[rotund marsh]

wish i could craft 2 rings, got a blue ring still and just relying on rng rn

[coral ibex]

hit up a m0 world tour

[sullen mural]

ring legit dragging my ilvl down

[coral ibex]

can do that shit in 580 blues

[sullen mural]

I love relying on rng for that 1 piece of gear

[rotund marsh]

m0?

you mean 2s?

[coral ibex]

yea you could do 2's but you dont need a keystone for m0 and can just go do all 8 of them for gear

[austere bramble]

hi how come sin rogue isnt as good with PI anymore

[sullen mural]

Probably kingsbane nerf

but i might just make stuff up

[mystic osprey]

kingsbane

[sullen mural]

Im not

[mystic osprey]

assuming

[sullen mural]

Maybe i still am nvm

[mystic osprey]

i could be making stuff up

[sullen mural]

yellow name dont trust those

[valid leaf]

Always trust a yellow name

[hallow ridge]

sin is fun but kir is also fun

ho is the best though ofc

[sullen mural]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

outlaw pov

[valid leaf]

Not even true

[sullen mural]

everytime ace doesnt proc i get suicidal

[spice spire]

I simply just don’t play outlaw

[sullen mural]

based

[strange python]

does anyone have a slice and dice WA?

[sullen mural]

Im kinda stacking up outlaw gear sadly so maybe i gotta do it soon

[sullen mural]

what for tho

You legit press it once

[dapper fractal]

assin getting nerf for 22nd at all?

[hallow ridge]

dont think so

[dapper fractal]

oo nice

[sullen mural]

I mean

you do lose some util with iron wire nerf

[bronze pike]

@ whispyr

[sullen mural]

shits still op tho

[bronze pike]

wrathstone didnt drop for me >:(

i damn u nerf it immediately

[hallow ridge]

think they change something with subterfuge, like it extends improved garrote or something

could be lying idk

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

How about you drop the act and go talk to some hoes

[sullen mural]

dam

[spice spire]

Remby is my goat

And don’t u ever forget it

[hallow ridge]

could be kinda cracked no?

[sinful elk]

Can you craft 2x weapons? Or are they unique? The raidbots isnt liking me trying to chuck in a 2nd crafted

[west crown]

I mean not really

[bronze pike]

no, last time i did that

[hallow ridge]

not with subterfuge atleast 🙂

[bronze pike]

i almost got smooched

i dont want cooties

[sullen mural]

wym not really

[rotund marsh]

id like to know too

[solar orbit]

I'm pretty sure the offhand is the smallest upgrade you could get

[sullen mural]

You'd never want to but without embelishment you should be able to craft 2

offhand is so irrelevant

like litterally your last piece

[solar orbit]

why is offhand irrelevant now? I used to remember it was important

[sinful elk]

Ah alright.. I already have a 619 crafted weapon/wrist/belt, and am stilling using a 606 OH...

Figured Id just craft a 636 and move the 619 to OH

[inner swift]

in st true but not in aoe

[strange python]

I have seen those, but I just want one with SnD

I guess I could just delete everything but SnD

[west crown]

There’s a chance that we may be using the new vanish changes so we can IW for longer

[sullen mural]

MAY being the key factor

looking from it right now its less util

Fuck my group tho i love feint of gcd

[mystic osprey]

why would it change

[sullen mural]

thats what i was thinking ty ryan

[royal lantern]

its that way since....idk MoP?

a long long time

[sullen mural]

Unless theres like

edge of night

I miss her

[royal lantern]

that is even more "offhand is irrelevant" lol

cus the slot does so little, you would take a item with a dmg effect even when its a huge ilvl downgrade

[sullen mural]

I mean the ilvl on it is

you right

psure ppl were running mythic edge and lfr one no? XD

[coral ibex]

rogue has been using utility offhands for a long time

you used a lvl 60 dagger with a crit proc on it for fok aoe in wrath

[rotund marsh]

using this as my offhand

oops wait thought this was outlaw channel

this is my main hand on assa lol

[solar orbit]

interesting, in pvp the first thing you buy are weapons, followed by trinket

[sullen mural]

prayin for a dagger with green text for season 2

[solar orbit]

So I thought offhand was also important

[sullen mural]

Im pretty sure trinkets are litterally the last thing you upgrade nowadays

its the first things u buy cuz of the effect but the last u actually buy with conquest

[rotund marsh]

if i have a veteren off hand dagger and a crafted 619 dagger, should i craft another 606 for my off hand or just wait

or can i not even use 2 everforged stabbers

[sullen mural]

Did you not read anything from the conversation from above

[rotund marsh]

offhands not important

yes i know

but also i have nothing else to upgrade with my spark

[sullen mural]

You have a blue ring

go play the game and get gear and then ask what to craft later

[mystic osprey]

yep

[rotund marsh]

hey ive been grinding

[sullen mural]

Like you say that now but why craft a 606 piece that you might get on hero track/myth track from vault litterally in 2 days

[rotund marsh]

just havent gotten any rings

[rotund marsh]

thats fair

[sullen mural]

The third spark generally goes to whatever the fuck your lowest ilvl piece is with the worst stats

[rotund marsh]

sucks that ring doesnt work if you already have one

in df there were 2 rings

[sullen mural]

You wouldnt want that now anyways

[rotund marsh]

that you could craft

[sullen mural]

because endboss ring

[rotund marsh]

lol yeah it would just be replaced, but when tho

[errant mauve]

If you’re lucky enough to get that

[rotund marsh]

cause thats not dropping every day

[sullen mural]

Ring with green text> ring without green text

[errant mauve]

I have it champ tier and it pisses me off

[sullen mural]

Idk someone sold it to me for like 80k on normal raid 3 weeks ago

its annoying but worth af

i havent seen that ring drop in my guild on hc since raid started

[errant mauve]

Yea pretty rare I guess

[rotund marsh]

btw hows ass ST rn

[sullen mural]

mid

mid af

[errant mauve]

The ring has to be bis for sin rogue, way more poison than any other class

[rotund marsh]

been mainly playing outlaw currently since my trinkets are good for it

it it better or worse than outlaw st

[sullen mural]

pretty sure the proc is capped so it doesnt matter at all

[errant mauve]

I hate that in sub spec it still sims 6k higher

[sullen mural]

but ask someone thats smart about the game

[rotund marsh]

maybe enhancement shaman too

lots of nature damage

[mystic osprey]

what 💀

[sullen mural]

what

[mystic osprey]

best st rogue spec

lol

[sullen mural]

Yeah rogue spec

but overall

[rotund marsh]

oh ok

[sullen mural]

its legit middle of the pack

[rotund marsh]

so its best aoe and best st?

[mystic osprey]

yes

[rotund marsh]

kinda crazy

[mystic osprey]

best rogue spec

[rotund marsh]

fun as well

[mystic osprey]

depends on the fight and dungeons obv

[rotund marsh]

outlaw is a bit more fun but i prefer ass thematically

[sullen mural]

psure all 3 specs are really close in st tho no

outlaw slowmachine ofc

[errant mauve]

I mean it has higher chance to proc with poison dmg aka nature dmg so the proc may be capped but only some classes can reach that cap I’d imagine

[rotund marsh]

my favorite thing about outlaw is perma feint and sprint

if feint wasnt on the gdc then outlaw would be so dang tanky

still is

[errant mauve]

My favorite thing about sub is complaining about sub

[sullen mural]

it will be

it wont be* on the gcd

in 6? days

[rotund marsh]

no shot

i didnt see that change

[errant mauve]

Then I come over here to get info on sin for M+

[rotund marsh]

thats amazing

[barren epoch]

this guy is 3079 io

[sullen mural]

what am i supposed to see here

[barren epoch]

no on use trinket and 7k vers

[errant mauve]

Yea I don’t get what you’re showing me

[mystic osprey]

yuh

and

[rotund marsh]

would you guys bind feint to something on outlaw?

[sullen mural]

No shit

[rotund marsh]

wait let me just go to outlaw

[sullen mural]

he has 7k vers

[rotund marsh]

my bad

[sullen mural]

doing high keys

almost like

[errant mauve]

I mean I have like 15% verse in sin and I do just fine in keys

[sullen mural]

you need that

to survive

thats crazy

color me surprised

[barren epoch]

ok bro maybe i didnt know?

chill lol

[sullen mural]

I mean idk

[errant mauve]

Kawai just an angry elf

[barren epoch]

it just goes against the conventional wisdom ive heard on assas

[sullen mural]

infinite scaling dmg and a stat that gives dmg reduction

i thought its obvious

myb gang

[mystic osprey]

ilvl > everything

[royal lantern]

the "poison bonus proc" has a lenghhty CD, which makes the "bonus procs" fully pointless

its not really better on specs that regulary do nature dmg

[sullen mural]

Wisdom on stats goes out the window if u push m+

u try to fit as much vers as u can

to not die

[errant mauve]

Interesting

[west crown]

Why do people keep saying we are mid ST? We aren’t after buffs

[barren epoch]

the trinkets are 619 which suprises me

[barren epoch]

i gotcha

[mystic osprey]

unlucky

[frigid flint]

whats the recommended M+ build?

[sullen mural]

this

[errant mauve]

How is sin ST and is wowheads guide on ST gear/talents/rotation up to date?

[royal lantern]

very much

[west crown]

Sin is good ST

[frigid flint]

ty

[golden ginkgo]

I assume yes, Alot of people play some deviations of the St taking the Imp Garrote / Shrouded Suffocation instead of Imp Posions / Dashing Scoundrel

[errant mauve]

Sin ST out do sub ST after the buffs that just happened?

[west crown]

Yes

[errant mauve]

Really

[west crown]

In raid

[spice surge]

Ye sub and assa did the same st

Assa got buffed by 5%

Sub didnt

[waxen idol]

The sin get sinner

[marble hemlock]

Justice for amirdrassil

[glacial crypt]

real

[barren epoch]

which boss do we use to gauge st ? sikran or kyveza?

[spice surge]

Brother sub is getting zul:ed again

[mystic osprey]

They dont need and changed only a few bugs here and there!!!

[glacial crypt]

Kyveza is too much of an RNG fest, there's no real patchwork boss this tier unless you 1phase first boss or something lmao

[glacial crypt]

ig on heroic you could say either though

[barren epoch]

i see, thx

[earnest remnant]

Kyveza. Is like a 100% uptime fight

[marble hemlock]

Not really

[spice surge]

Ye so is sikran

[glacial crypt]

until u get a single mechanic

[earnest remnant]

You have like 0 downtime

[sullen mural]

we been playing different bosses

[marble hemlock]

If you get the second charges, that's right when kb comes back up

[glacial crypt]

you are devious

[marble hemlock]

:((

[spice surge]

You can cloak it

[earnest remnant]

Cloak it

[glacial crypt]

lol

[spice surge]

Although for prog id recommend using cloak during intermission instead

But you can cloak it

[earnest remnant]

Nah

[marble hemlock]

Need cloak to survive intermission

[glacial crypt]

nooooooo just cloak the first thing you get and scream at your healers in intermission

[earnest remnant]

Intermission does fuck all

Just play cheat death

[marble hemlock]

[spice surge]

Its mostly for other people in intermission

[glacial crypt]

[marble hemlock]

Bait used to be believable

[earnest remnant]

U guys are idiots

[marble hemlock]

Wow

[earnest remnant]

U do u

[glacial crypt]

no youre right we're sorry

[marble hemlock]

@gusty mirage

IDK, our healers struggled, I would've died a lot of extra times without elusiveness

[mystic osprey]

wait what can you cloak?

[runic hinge]

racoon is bully

[marble hemlock]

And being able to stand in eclipse with the last blazes helps others a lot

[spice surge]

You can precloak queensbane

[glacial crypt]

you'd also die at 10% regardless of cheat death xd

[spice surge]

But ye otherwise use cloak and stand alone in the exploding eclipse with blaze

[earnest remnant]

Nope u don’t die

Cd heals u

[glacial crypt]

I never even tried using it on prog but using a health pot / hs after dropping below 10% still killed people

[earnest remnant]

Cd has a dmg reduction

[rotund oak]

[marble hemlock]

IDK I still died

[glacial crypt]

we have to run the bait is too powerful right now

[marble hemlock]

CD procs, be at 600k HP. Get hit by 8mil hit that gets reduced by 90%. Still dead unless there's a random heal in between

[glacial crypt]

what animals eat racoons

[earnest remnant]

u do u

[marble hemlock]

Like, it's nice if you can play it the way you do, but I wouldn't recommend it

[earnest remnant]

May the ring gods give u all of the cross charges

[glacial crypt]

i think a shark would eat a racoon

[rotund oak]

not many,mostly feral cats and wolves,some regions even humans eat racoons

[glacial crypt]

have racoons and sharks ever actually met though

[marble hemlock]

I was so happy every time I got those

[glacial crypt]

people eat them???

[rotund oak]

yup some do

but its rare

but mostly big cats and wolves

racoons are pretty smart

[tacit nest]

Why is raid bots sim using FoK so much single target? For poisons?

[sharp lily]

Clear the Witnesses

[marble hemlock]

But yeah at least for me, intermission was sketchy as fuck even with feint/elusiveness/cloak/evasion

[glacial crypt]

same it was horrible 😭

reclear was harder than the first kill too after the healer nerfs lmao

[earnest remnant]

I played with a ret on top of me and was chilling

[marble hemlock]

We were ww+rogue

Not fun

[glacial crypt]

havoc dh + rogue

[errant mauve]

2 whetstone or 1 stone 1 wax in M+

[glacial crypt]

but we did actually plan movement really well

[errant mauve]

And raid for that matter

[marble hemlock]

Meanwhile the DK+dh on opposite side chilling

[glacial crypt]

it went to shit whenever our tank would move in from the left

[earnest remnant]

Barely feint regicides either

[rotund oak]

wax+whetstone

[marble hemlock]

Yeah but you also have pretty goated healers

[errant mauve]

In raid and M+?

[marble hemlock]

Who else can claim that

[glacial crypt]

YOU PLAYED SUB

[keen spruce]

steali is an op

[glacial crypt]

you have to have played sub

[earnest remnant]

Yeah dude the 3% dr I have over my assa gear makes the diff

[rotund oak]

yeah pretty much,double whetstone is like better by 0.1% or something like that,negligible diff and wax doesnt stack as it says so its pointless to double wax

so we wax+whetstone

[runic hinge]

huge

[marble hemlock]

Dear diary. Today stealthi called me an idiot unironically. I cried all night, had to change my pillow twice.

[earnest remnant]

I dunno this smells like when people press a defensive on the last set of regicides while being topped

Fully wasting

When there is 0 dmg events for 20 sec after it

[marble hemlock]

Yeah we aren't fully topped last set, so like 4-7 ppl always had to pop a stone or pot.

[earnest remnant]

Like I get cloaking 2x regis

[glacial crypt]

last 7s were where i popped each time

[marble hemlock]

Think you're underestimating how much most guilds struggle with healing in that phase

[earnest remnant]

But people fucking suck at defensives

[glacial crypt]

pre-nerf with 4 healers was unironically easier than the 5 healer strat people are running now

as in pre healer nerf

[errant mauve]

5 healers on myth princess?

[marble hemlock]

That's cuz 4 heal had the same amount of throughput pre pres nerf

[earnest remnant]

We 4 healed both times

[glacial crypt]

exactly this

[marble hemlock]

As 5 heal has now

[earnest remnant]

Felt the same in intermission

[glacial crypt]

we should have for reclear but didn't and it cost us more time than i'd like to admit lmao

[earnest remnant]

Sucks we’re worse tho

[marble hemlock]

Yeah if I didn't call for people sub 80% HP to pot/stone for the last set of regicides, someone died

There's no way we'd be topped there

[tacit nest]

So FoK > CT is worth ST in the mythic build ye?

[glacial crypt]

if you're not running vicious venoms

[sharp lily]

Yeah no VV you Fok to consume the Clear the Witnesses buff

[rotund oak]

fok into finisher,we dont ct st

[earnest remnant]

Anyway. Cloak charges. Don’t be a pussy. Just dodge

[glacial crypt]

i like this a lot more tbh

[marble hemlock]

I'll blame you if I die

[earnest remnant]

Skill issue

[marble hemlock]

Cuz healers don't heal

[glacial crypt]

next reclear them queensbitches aren't standing a chance

[tacit nest]

Any reason the sims casting it then?

[marble hemlock]

I hope your kb gets parried

[earnest remnant]

I don’t play assa

So

[marble hemlock]

And I'm pretty sure you cast CT on st if you've talented into it

[earnest remnant]

[marble hemlock]

Unless that's changed

[earnest remnant]

Tiny minmax yes

[marble hemlock]

I hope they zul you.

[earnest remnant]

They did

[marble hemlock]

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor sir,FoK(to clear ctw) into CT for single target dmg in the m+ build not worth aight?

[earnest remnant]

I’m quitting after the tier is over ( I’m not im just gonna take a few weeks off)

[coral ibex]

its like 0.13% gain or something to CT after ctw crit

[rotund oak]

racoons lie,u'll just play ur dh coz thats what racoons do

[ionic fox]

@balmy condor I did a server xfer and I think I had a plater skin from you or something that made enemy bars green when caustic spatter was on them. Not sure but UI got a little funky after xfer

[earnest remnant]

I still dont have it lvld

[rotund oak]

perfect time to chill and ''enjoy'' the abomination

[earnest remnant]

My chill

Is gonna be everything other than wow

[glacial crypt]

fragpunk enjoying

[rotund marsh]

why does poisoned knife exist

[rotund oak]

[earnest remnant]

Fully raid logging

[marble hemlock]

Based

[young dust]

what? you dont use it fixated on grim batol?

it even slows the mob

[balmy condor]

It’s a minor gain

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[young dust]

im getting PI on kyveza

[earnest remnant]

Ban him

[rotund marsh]

i mean i havent really played m+ yet

[earnest remnant]

[rotund marsh]

makes sense tho

just another way to kite

[coral ibex]

if you have to lose melee uptime you might as well generate some cp and slow the fixate

[rotund marsh]

that makes sense

ty

learned something 🙂

[rotund oak]

according to whispyr it is a smol gain to fok into ct so i guess we got an answer friend

[errant mauve]

You guys running crippling poison in keys or leave it off to let groups get into pack faster

[rotund marsh]

btw for DS if im target swapping in a big pack to apply dots, is there any way to easily figure out where the mark is

like a weakaura

cause once i switch off the marked target sometimes its hard to find who its on

unless theyre a big guy of course

[rotund oak]

we use crippling,its very strong

same applies to mind numbing

[ionic cloud]

!pre key

[errant mauve]

Crippling is just a slow though isn’t it?

[ionic cloud]

!prekey

[tacit nest]

tyty

[errant mauve]

I’d be interested in a WA marking my DS target

As well

[rotund oak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

whispyr's plater

pretty good

u can also create ur own custom one,not that hard

[rotund marsh]

is that plater a complete preset?

[errant mauve]

I’ll have to look into it, I have no experience in making WAs

[rotund marsh]

i like jundies plater

but i do want a noticeable mark for the enemy who has the ds mark

[rotund oak]

if u want something bigger u can always make the icon bigger but ye its fully preset

[errant mauve]

I do pretty decent dps in keys but I imagine keeping of track of DS mark would increase my dps a decent chunk

[rotund marsh]

wish i could just take the ds mark part of it and put it into jundies

[rotund oak]

used to have whispyr's afenar edit+plater which is rly rly good but now im playing with my own wa's

its an ego thing

both are amazing tools to have

[errant mauve]

Ego trumps everything

[balmy condor]

you can

it's a mod

just pull the mod out

[thick sail]

Question that's been bothering me. With Sanguine Blades in m+, am I supposed to actively be trying to always stay above 50% energy?

[balmy condor]

below 50% in single target

[karmic crystal]

You can also add it manually as a special buff and set up some rules, I just have the spell icon (just if you don’t want it to change nameplate colour)

[thick sail]

Okay, thanks Whispyr

[tacit nest]

That's actually another question. Haven't played assa since wotlk (classic andy). Is it worth pooling energy to muti with envenom buff up? Idk how it works now since poisons don't seem to be MH/OH anymore

[balmy condor]

you mut to 5 then wait for envenom to be in pandemic

you're playing to max out envenoms uptime

[kindred hinge]

Morning folks, when you have Darkest Night Available, the CP for proccing it from ER, but also Rupture in pandemic and Envenom in Pandemic which one do we go for ?
And when Envenom is let say 4 sec long but Rupture is in Pandemic ?

[rotund marsh]

how do i do that?

[balmy condor]

you always consume darkest night

regardless of anything

[kindred hinge]

Thanks

[tacit nest]

so there's no x poison proc to min/max using muti - e.g I think it was MH could proc poison twice in wotlk

[kindred hinge]

Was doing it but wasn't sure it was sound

[balmy condor]

right click it, export, go to your profile, import

[balmy condor]

each hit you do has a raw % chance to apply any poison you have applied to your character. Mutilate hits twice and thus has 2 chances to trigger that % chance

[kindred hinge]

Now when you shiv out of KB, even with pooling prior I usually don't have that much enery (More a ST situation). Do I keep sending or I keep playing envenom uptime even during shiv window ?

[rotund marsh]

ah i think i got the wrong one

[balmy condor]

the vast vast VAST majority of poison applications are just from auto attacks

[balmy condor]

you spend to 0 during shiv

[kindred hinge]

Many thanks

[rotund marsh]

is there a way to see what types of damage were contributing to CS

[balmy condor]

not in an overall

[tacit nest]

cool appreciate the info

[balmy condor]

you can see it in log events

but you would have to scroll through log event

so

cringe

[rotund marsh]

is CS mainly just kingsbane during those windows?

[rotund marsh]

ew

[balmy condor]

I mean it's mostly envenom

[rotund marsh]

that makes sense

[balmy condor]

you can get an inkling just off of the overall breakdown

[rotund marsh]

darkest knight envenom kinda nukes

[balmy condor]

anything that's even mildly green counts for caustic

so just like

which green bar is the biggest

[rotund marsh]

lol

would be cool if details could partition parts of abilities to show the percent of CS damage

like with aug

with there buffed damage

just have the base ammount of envenom, and then different color extending that shows CS damage from it

[balmy condor]

that's not a details thing

that's a wow thing

like the whole shitshow when aug first released

is that the combat log itself could not tell the difference between hits

and so logs couldn't

[rotund marsh]

ahh i see

so it would have to be a whole thing

[balmy condor]

blizzard would have to add the attribution on their end

[rotund marsh]

would be nice, but tbh its not happening

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor stealthi called me an idiot

[rotund marsh]

is the DS mark plater part of the main plater profile you have whispyr?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

idk what "the ds mark plater part" means

but yeah sure idk

[marble hemlock]

Why are you like this

[balmy condor]

it's in there somewhere I guess

[rotund marsh]

like the mark that shows the ds mark better

[balmy condor]

I color the nameplate for that

[rotund marsh]

ahh ok

trying to add it to jundies

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's a mod

just export mod

import mod

tweak

gg

[earnest remnant]

he deserved it

[rotund marsh]

do you remember the name of it?

trying to find it in the modding section

[balmy condor]

it's aptly named

recolor nameplate

or something

[rotund marsh]

ok ty

[subtle tundra]

not a script?

[balmy condor]

no

[subtle tundra]

thats why i couldnt find it?!?

aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rotund marsh]

oh thats where im looking too lmao

[balmy condor]

I had to make it a mod cause scripts require triggers

and triggers require I show the debuff on the nameplate

and I don't

[subtle tundra]

i do 🙂

[balmy condor]

I mean the mod will still work then

[subtle tundra]

i use it as a way to find the correct mob to hit cause it doesnt change color

[rotund marsh]

found it, recolor for debuffs

yay

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor im a loser pusher again

[balmy condor]

again?

when did you stop

[subtle tundra]

df

[balmy condor]

based

[subtle tundra]

did weekly only

[balmy condor]

is pushing fun

[subtle tundra]

fuck no

[balmy condor]

why do it

[rotund marsh]

14

wow

[subtle tundra]

every single thing 1 shots

[rotund marsh]

how hard is that

[balmy condor]

varas games

[subtle tundra]

every single thing 1 shots

[balmy condor]

he's a certified big boy

[subtle tundra]

thats not fun

[balmy condor]

ya well

welcome to m+

[rotund marsh]

didnt the first 14 just get cleared like last week, wow

[subtle tundra]

its also a steep learning curve for me

i did 10s and then like 6 12s and then straight into 14s

and tried some 15s

which didnt seem much harder than 14

[balmy condor]

ansurek dead soon?

[subtle tundra]

cause shit 1 shots on 14 and 1 shots on 15

ansurek starts today

XD

[balmy condor]

prison

time for varas 1k pull china guild arc

[quiet oar]

Queen and COurt didnt get nerfed yet right

[balmy condor]

correct

[rotund marsh]

ty!

[quiet oar]

So playing the World First encounters

[rotund marsh]

appreciate the help!

[balmy condor]

np

[subtle tundra]

ill stream it, i set up my stream

[balmy condor]

thanks I have leukemia now

[subtle tundra]

my pleasure

[quiet oar]

One thing is missing

YOu should have taken the Screenshot

With Instant poison applied

[spice surge]

Or with your phone camera

[subtle tundra]

i should've..

[rotund marsh]

is there a way to macro a button to target your DS mark target

[spice surge]

nop

[rotund marsh]

guess stuff like that would be a bit too cheesy

[quiet oar]

I mean

YOu still cant

[rotund marsh]

i tab target too much, i only really click on ranged specs

[quiet oar]

do a trickst @ tank modifier

[rotund marsh]

i use vuhdo

works well for that

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

vuhdo is for shamans bud

[rotund marsh]

lol

[quiet oar]

Ye i know about this tricks macro

just saying, blizzard could do a @ tank modifier

[hardy prairie]

does anyone else get absolutely rolled by some of the mechanics in NW?

[spice surge]

Ye i was moreso suggesting it instead of the 2006 lookin aahh addon

[rotund marsh]

could also do an @target macro, but lets not go there

theyd rather just make a freaking choice node to pick between ground or targeted for spells

such a good alternative........

[cobalt sphinx]

Is that the turok dinosaur

It is

That game was sick

[stuck tree]

wow trying zekvir and this is rough lmao, autos just blasting us 😦

[rotund marsh]

do you guys click nameplates as melee?

or tab target

[spice surge]

Click usually

[rotund marsh]

time to play a subclass with trickster for 1 hour tricks

[spice surge]

Unless theres like 2 targets

[rotund marsh]

just have brann be your tank 🙂

[stuck tree]

he gets blasted

[rotund marsh]

id like to get used to it, but its very odd on melee imo

[rotund marsh]

what level is he

[stuck tree]

48 lol

[rotund marsh]

cause my brann is unkillable

[rotund marsh]

hmm

is he on heals?

[stuck tree]

ye

[rotund marsh]

ye idk then

[stuck tree]

lol

[rotund marsh]

he goes down?

[stuck tree]

ye 2x

[rotund marsh]

wow yeah thats never happened to me

[mossy raft]

Are there any Weak Aura experts, im currently using https://wago.io/oEgXLFhtk to track deathstalkers mark in M+, i want to change the debuff portion so instead of only showing up when I have the mob targetted, it shows up when the Weak Aura exists on any mob i am in combat with

[rotund marsh]

wondering if theres any other classes where i would want a plater mod that changes the bar color when debuffed

like a class with a super high priority debuff

[cobalt sphinx]

Apparently horse dk wants to target whatever gets a horseman debuff

[rotund marsh]

ah i see

havent been messing with dk, even tho i want to

i will legit have everyone geared before this season is over lol

[cobalt sphinx]

Mayhem could be useful too

[rotund marsh]

already at 8 level 80s

[rotund marsh]

trueeee

i main warlock but im usually running demo

[balmy condor]

change the trigger to a multi-target instead of just a target

and it'll probably JustWork™️

[cursive knoll]

arguebly any dot spec

[shy pecan]

Yeah, I have a mod for when I play balance on my druid, and sin or sub and track marks with dots on my rogue

[rotund marsh]

too many on aff for that to be good

youd have so many colors

maybe for a priority dot like UA

[shy pecan]

You could have it change colors for what you have missing

Like I have mine go orange when I’m missing sunfire but have moonfire on a target, blue when I’m missing moonfire but not sunfire, and a forest green when I have both.

[royal lantern]

but green is healing

[runic hinge]

Imagine playing boomkin

[shy pecan]

Same with bleeds. And I have DSM overwrite all of it and have it be pink and resize the nameplate because I’m tracking bleeds via WAs anyway.

[shy pecan]

Not forest green

[shy pecan]

I just hit trees, CA, starfire twice and do a bunch of damage

[craggy ruin]

boys

what is the best race for assa?

[rotund oak]

mechagnome

[shy pecan]

Tauren, because you’re tall

[rotund oak]

ild say human coz beautiful hair

[fallow sentinel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow talon]

Undead has good animations

[normal mist]

Unless you're a world first raider, it doesn't matter

[pliant grail]

Sorry for a lame question. But how much dmg 4 set actualy increases for us in m+ by % 🙂

[normal mist]

Like 3/4%

Atleast it was for me

You can sim it

[rotund oak]

its even less actually ^^

for me is like 2.7%

but only 4p now

the entire set is something like 6-6.2% iirc

[hybrid scarab]

Why master assassin got 50% pick rate on mythic princess fight? IIUC the competing node is improved poisons

[balmy condor]

sim highest for them

[grim jay]

Whispyr so fast

Even if its late

[rotund oak]

never late for whispyr

[grim jay]

One day, if he is around your age

[rotund oak]

[pliant grail]

Also another lame one. Do we spread garrote ant rupture manualy after stealth or it spreads when we hit same target ? 🙂 and in aoe situation we open with ambush then garrote all targets or garrote ruptute garrote and etc ?

[grim jay]

Rupture yes

On 5 targets

Garrote only on maintarget

You only open with ambush if you dont have DM

And you go garr(/ambush) garr rup garr garr rup

[rain wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxWON8Br65E&t

Swapping to sub for 3rd boss is nuts

Those boys on another level

[pliant grail]

Love u mate

[rotund oak]

its actually smart

stitch is cringe for sin

and sub has the burst for 4rth boss as well

that shield needs to break

[grim jay]

Yeah, also you can play the lovely transmitter

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hybrid scarab]

o7 just did a quick check, the sim doesn't seem to actually play around the Master Assassin buff (used for fat garrote only, not timed at end of kingsbane).

[strange python]

Does IC plus SBS not mean that even if you tunnel one target on the opener you get 5 garrotes and ruptures up? with the standard opener

Due to smart targeting

At least 5*

[grim jay]

You get 9 garrotes and 5 ruptures then ye

[balmy condor]

correct

master assassin is 0 gameplay

[hybrid scarab]

also, any input on whether it's a gain for refreshing improved garrote at the end of the 6 sec window?

[balmy condor]

it is not

[strange python]

So in response to the guys question you don't necessarily need to spread further manually, until refresh required, once you have your 5 up

I think

[grim jay]

You need to spread manually as they run out again

[hybrid scarab]

alrighty then!

[grim jay]

Which all gets summarized by "keep 5 ruptures up"

[strange python]

Ah yeah of course - assumed he meant from opener do we need to manually spread

[copper monolith]

why do ret paladins do stupid amounts of damage for seemingly no reason at all?

like, what

[pliant grail]

But its pad dmg no ? Quite useless

[rotund oak]

joking ofc

rets are a meme

[warm vortex]

Pallies just do big aoe atm

[torpid linden]

could any super poggers sin rogue review my logs and tell me where im going wrong

[warm vortex]

What type of logs?
Birch, oak, ect?

[next dust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

Havent seen one with a high overall tbf

[grim jay]

There is rarely pad damage. Just if you full aoe instead of cleave some less important things or something like that

[warm vortex]

What would you consider high?

[grim jay]

Like atleast somewhere between 1.4m and 1.8m depending on dungeon would be fine ig

In pugs

[warm vortex]

Oh yea I’ve seen ret do that multiple

Tbh my highest is only like 1.6

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah ret does a lot overall

[warm vortex]

But I normally get like 1.5 and 1.6 so it’s consistent

Ofc changes based on group comp, dungeon, level and such

[bronze pike]

how much of that overal is useful

[grim jay]

The rets ive seen were chilling at like 1.3 or something

[bronze pike]

and how good are the players around u

[cobalt sphinx]

all of it

shit gotta die yo

[bronze pike]

i wont deny that ret is strong in keys, but keep in mind theres stronger specs than ret in keys

it just ret has no skill ceiling and a guy with no fingers and touch numbers easier than lets say for example

a havoc dh

[cobalt sphinx]

floor

[grim jay]

Hopefully the guy from yesterday aint around

Else we will have another skill discussion

[grim jay]

The ceiling is basically the floor in rets case

[bronze pike]

on the nose

some skill ceiling returned to the spec with templar. but thats only cause people dont know how to pool 5 holy combo points for it for some reason

[strange python]

Do you mean the sin rogue is the hardest spec in the game guy?

[bronze pike]

thats a fucking take lmao

[paper tapir]

anyone got raid target mouseover macro that wont overlap another mark

[grim jay]

I mean the "havoc needs something no other spec needs" guy

[strange python]

I missed that one

[grim jay]

I wouldve liked to aswell

[bronze pike]

havoc needs something of what?

it already has brand

wait

[grim jay]

Personally its rather easy, but if you are just getting into it, for m+, I'd say its atleast up there somewhere, considering how many bad sins i and others have seen

[grim jay]

More skill

Situational awareness

As he called it

[royal lantern]

and darkness

[grim jay]

Im traumatized

[bronze pike]

it was aljan wasnt it

[grim jay]

Dh popping darkness on sikran swirlies

[grim jay]

Yes

[bronze pike]

gl

[grim jay]

Wdym

[bronze pike]

hes, very skilled player

very good

[strange python]

I mean I think current havoc is pretty complex compared to most melees

[bronze pike]

but as you know

havoc mains

[strange python]

Man rem

[bronze pike]

sure

[strange python]

In my time being

[warm vortex]

We all know the adventurer is the hardest class in the game

Hence why nobody plays it

[strange python]

I have seen you in more class discords than anyone else

And probably

One of the only sane people I ever met

[bronze pike]

but its difficulty isnt that much more than

idk

[strange python]

That’s an accomplishment

[bronze pike]

outlaw

[bronze pike]

like sure rushing around its annoying. but frankly thats not difficult. its just the flow of the spec

havoc is nice and almost a well designed spec

[grim jay]

Hes one of those people ive argued with a lot but we still dont hate eachother

[strange python]

Fel rushing isn’t the issue I feel like

Not anymore

[bronze pike]

it just needs like 1 or two of its plates removed

and its fine

its not

its like

sigil of flames, and maybe vengeful retreat

[royal lantern]

SANE sane, or WoW player sane

[bronze pike]

which are the main offenders for havoc

[strange python]

Inertia has good depth - fel scarred is a pretty long opener that is very specific, essb windows

It has a lot of depth

[bronze pike]

sigils for havoc exist simply cause veng had nothing else to give to the class in the class tree

and cause of that

[grim jay]

Kinda dropped the "look at my rio and AVs" bomb towards seli

[strange python]

Yet people think it’s the easiest shit ever because that’s how it WAS

[bronze pike]

at seli

[upbeat pebble]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[bronze pike]

iut starts

[bronze pike]

i dont remember us arguing

i just dont like misinfo or super dooming going around

[strange python]

I would say more than wow player sane actually

Not SANE sane

But we all aren’t

[bronze pike]

i can fix that

a glimpse into my insane mind

[grim jay]

I dont know what we argued about anymore either tbf

[bronze pike]

the hell i made in my brainsz

i click my rotation

[strange python]

What do you click

Nah

U lying

[atomic creek]

What's the current opinion on crafted items? Weapon Ascension + Nerubian or double Dawnthread? For PvE

[bronze pike]

same tbh

[bronze pike]

im not

ive clicked outlaw

ive clicked veng

ive cliked ret

[strange python]

You can click veng

But

Outlaw

????

[bronze pike]

didnt say i was particularly good at outlaw

tho i am comfortably high purple parse on it

[grim jay]

I think some osu boys could click all the specs as long as they dont need to move

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gatitos-gatos-bailando-gif-15825793423272395102

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-small-poop-poopin-gif-26789908

anywho

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/competitive-shitting-cats-two-cats-toilet-2-cats-gif-16736555535898909183

[bronze pike]

remove sigils from havoc and its alright, maybe remove vr from it and its fine

for a spec that was "borrowed power" the class until df. its pretty solid and not really that much skill intensive in the grand scheme of things

[atomic creek]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[bronze pike]

you have to be enviromentally aware so you dont fel rush into terros gaping hole

but you should already be enviromentally aware in high keys anyways so

[royal lantern]

ascension+patch slightly better in raid, double patch in m+, doesnt make a real differencencus embelishments are very low impact in tww

[grim jay]

Thats exactly what seli said

[cursive sparrow]

do you have the feeling that rogues are taken extra dmg?

comparing other spec

[grim jay]

But the other guy said it was wrong

[cursive sparrow]

like DH or WW monk

[torpid linden]

do i need to press vanish on ST w/o shrouded suffocation

[atomic creek]

Doing Mythic raiding last night I noticed Dawnthread dropping to 60% uptime due to the amount of damage from bosses so I was curious. If the difference is negligible, I might stick with double dawn so I have it for M+ as well

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah in necrotic wake i think rotspew and the first boss hit rogue pretty hard

and viqgoth

no otherwise htough

[bronze pike]

funny

[cursive sparrow]

not only necro

[bronze pike]

not funny haha

but funny weird

[cursive sparrow]

on 12+ m+

[bronze pike]

https://imgur.com/hYeI19O

[cursive sparrow]

every aoe hit me shit low

[bronze pike]

have a floorki special

[midnight mist]

press feint

[cursive sparrow]

I have to focus on everything to prop feint

ik

but dk

dont need press anything

[midnight mist]

they are plate

[atomic creek]

We do have the luxury of Feint

[midnight mist]

but also thats prolly not really true

just press your defs

[cursive sparrow]

sometimes press feint on kingsbane

[midnight mist]

rogue is prolly one of the tankiest class in the game

play elus

and press evasion aswell

[atomic creek]

DK has plate and more health as is, can't compare to a plate wearer

[midnight mist]

thats a 40% dr or whatever as assa

bit less

[bronze pike]

sin probably needs to use its drs more smartly cause no dr like outlaw or shadosut like sub

but ya its still relatively tanky

[cobalt sphinx]

dk is invincible

[cursive sparrow]

for same aoe, w/o def, rogue loss more health comparing with mage

[cobalt sphinx]

it has so many defensive nodes in the class tree

[cursive sparrow]

thats for sure

we test it

[bronze pike]

and yet

[atomic creek]

Mages have an absorb shield though

[bronze pike]

rogue is probably just a little bit behind dk in bulk

[cursive sparrow]

nah, just w/o anything

[bronze pike]

[cursive sparrow]

mage and I just sitting there

[bronze pike]

i remembr when my class was the bulkiest

[cursive sparrow]

same for Mythic princess

[atomic creek]

Mages without a single thing is most definitely going to take more damage than a Rogue without anything

I've seen Mages get one shot by stuff that I survive pretty easily in M+

[cursive sparrow]

for Queensbane, I was taken over 5M dmg

altho on raid description it said 4.6M

[bronze pike]

its just kinda hard to tell

without logs

cause we cant really see where your having defensive issues as rogue

just taking your word for it leads to these types of convo on what spec is "bulkiest" and weird blizzard tooltips

[cursive sparrow]

the point is, even w/o any defensive, I shouldnt taken more than 4.6M dmg right

I'll find logs rq

[bronze pike]

like dks are strong defensively, but who knows whether or not this dk is getting pocket externaled, or layer defefnsives

ect ect

[atomic creek]

I wouldn't go off of the tooltip to determine the damage it'll do

[bronze pike]

and whose to say if your actually pressing stuff like feint on cd fo these dangerous mythic princess queenbanes

(which ill never know, cause no mythic guild)

(and frankly at this pace, probably no heroic guild soon ))

[atomic creek]

Also, Queensbane is Shadow damage and a Mage has reduced magic damage taken from talents

[jade abyss]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[warm vortex]

Everyone
How many runs did it take to get GB trink

[atomic creek]

4

[jade abyss]

simple question when you go into the second kingsbane (without deathmark) your pool energy before go into it ?

[autumn raven]

30

[bronze pike]

got mine from vault

[atomic creek]

To be fair, I didn't get a single drop in M0 or M+ under 7. But grinding it on 7+ I got hero track after 4 runs

[warm vortex]

Fair I’ve only done 18

[atomic creek]

It helps if you queue up with someone who already has it so they can trade it to you as well

[royal lantern]

should not need it cus you use shiv during it

and shiv = tea

[tawdry flint]

52

[royal lantern]

did 41 runs no drop

and then sacrificed a newborn to ion and got it in vault

[grim jay]

3

[warm vortex]

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