yeah but thats about as reliable as, well, idk
#assassination
marble hemlock
static jolt
skardyn warthstone
balmy condor
they're different trinkets
you can equip both
you have no reason to
but you totally could
static jolt
should be insane on sub
marble hemlock
odds are any faction or realm change isnt being tracked properly
static jolt
you have no reason to
why not?
balmy condor
what's the second trinket buffing bud
waxen oyster
i didnt see wrathstone drop for anyone
soft shale
his mental power
novel star
what's the second trinket buffing bud
the dance with no cds or w.e
novel star
waxen oyster
also sub is a 1.5min spec
soft shale
maybe he secretly plays sub and wants to relive smolderon
soft shale
you can still flag vanish blades
waxen oyster
soft shale
oh cata pog
soft shale
SURELY this time it drops
lapis mirage
what % is caustic splatter usually on ya damage breakdown
marble hemlock
everything is a 1.5min cd spec during CDR week
soft shale
depends on st not much
balmy condor
what % is caustic splatter usually on ya damage breakdown
12-14% depending on key
marble hemlock
cant wait for another MDI with aug+mage+X
soft shale
yea wonder if it will be fdk or uhdk
marble hemlock
havent seen that before
soft shale
with omegapulls
marble hemlock
idk
slim pebble
soft shale
i've seen some disgusting uhdk
marble hemlock
i lowkey think itll just be
novel star
unholy
soft shale
oh lock i havent seen many
thorn thorn
Hi Evoker main here, we hate them just as much as the rest of you 
marble hemlock
and when you do MDI pulls, destro will fuck
grim jay
cant wait for another MDI with aug+mage+X
But you can be sure its not dh, because noone has that little bit extra thats needed
Ive heard
marble hemlock
soft shale
destro also can carry first boss mists
soft shale
dont worry they might play vdh to skip with their sap maybe
static jolt
what's the second trinket buffing bud
agility?
soft shale
not enough
grim jay
He got you Whispyr
balmy condor
the second one.......
novel star
kingsbane bud
static jolt
deathmark
novel star
lock in
balmy condor
buffing mutilates I guess
soft shale
big ruptures
static jolt
on-use trinkets have a shared cooldown
didnt know that mb
fresh ingot
the upcoming changes are rly weirdly formatted on wowhead, can some1 tell me what is gonna change about Crimson Tempest? Is it a nerf or buff lol
novel star
^
novel star
so just better Twist the Knife and slice and dice is actually a dead skill
er change is p big
grim jay
@balmy condor we did it, we can change people
fresh ingot
Bro got knowledge and immediately turned into a better Version of himself
xdd i still had outlaw flair from late SL/early DF
novel star
pirate reformed
balmy condor
big
novel star
🐐
novel star
no
novel star
outlaw and sub are cringe
i might learn sub in 11.0.5 if i’m bored
but probably not 
weeb spec
rain wraith
Feint off GCD pls now
waxen oyster
its off the gcd
novel star
or something
static jolt
never seen this shit in my life
marble hemlock
<@167090536602140682> we did it, we can change people
i was a changed man when i watched whispyrs video and learned about feeldies
grim jay
Same
balmy condor
i was a changed man when i watched whispyrs video and learned about feeldies
why do bad things happen to good people man
balmy condor
wowhead 
tacit otter
where do u guys look up PTR patch note stuff
wait for the pin is the smartest thing
novel star
balmy condor
that works I guess
novel star
but fr wowhead
idk
i ignore the data mined notes bullshit
and just read the blue post
on wowhead
novel star
yea that’s the data mined notes bullshit
grim jay
https://i.imgur.com/rVo3MlI.png
Letters and numbers
novel star
just blue post and live in peace
balmy condor
i mean it's really just that though
barren epoch
that extra 0.0006% of attack power really just sends the spec over the edge
grim jay
Hu
noble pollen
Tier D
grim jay
Hu²
mystic osprey
sin rogue D tier spec
normal mist
F
static jolt
really?
novel star
it’s S tier because it starts with the letter S
static jolt
i thought sub was way worse
normal mist
Bro
static jolt
anyone have experience with this trinket
its ass
normal mist
no one here cares about tiers
novel star
anyone have experience with this trinket
it’s pretty bad to play around
coral ibex
fugma
normal mist
other than FOTM rerollers
novel star
trinket does nothing if u don’t collect orb
static jolt
no one here cares about tiers
i do tbh sub was mega weak in raids
novel star
mm
normal mist
i do tbh sub was mega weak in raids
You parsing 95+ on sub?
novel star
high hof it also “matters” i think but yeh
normal mist
how high % of players we talking about
novel star
play for fun it’s a videogame on the computer
novel star
how high % of players we talking about
i mean like top 25 guilds or smth
maybe 50 idk
normal mist
i mean players
novel star
top something
normal mist
you understand what i mean
novel star
ya
normal mist
it doesnt matter for like 95% of the playerbase
normal mist
yeah much likely
novel star
it doesn’t matter
normal mist
Thats why i get mad
when people complain because of tierlists
when it DOES NOT MATTER for them
coral ibex
tierlists directly affect m+ queue times, that's about it
normal mist
true
west peak
i finally got skardyns
normal mist
W
tulip fern
Sub is kinda fine, depends on what you're measuring it against
I swapped because I like to play the best spec of the class I choose but thats personal preference
old halo
i miss shadowdance
novel star
any rogue against any not rogue will look bad 
but sub and sin go back and forth on being optimal in raid
cerulean maple
any rogue against any not rogue will look bad <:xdd:1076522155728179300>
as in rogue bad? or
novel star
yes
cerulean maple
i thought rogue was doing fine this season
tulip fern
M+ its great
novel star
m+ yeah
cerulean maple
i haven't seen a single one in raids
novel star
but in raid rogue has been shit all tier
cerulean maple
st seems kinda shit rn
normal mist
It all depends on your teammates
cerulean maple
is it normal for me to sim hella below my guildies even though im only like 5 ilvl down
tulip fern
Though I think after the recent assa buffs it might be middle of the pack
cerulean maple
like 650k vs 900k
stable cove
ok gamers i got a question
normal mist
bad damage and provide basically nothing other than damage
this is what i mean by "depends on your teammates"
Thats my guild
stable cove
i have been using a thistle tea charge off rip just to get it on cd, during end of kb window ofc, even if it overcaps me on energy. Is that a dps loss long term? If so how significant? Cuz I am parsing very very high even in mythic so I feel like thats the move but idk
normal mist
thats court HC
novel star
is it normal for me to sim hella below my guildies even though im only like 5 il...
idk comparing sims between classes is semi fake but probably normal
novel star
i have been using a thistle tea charge off rip just to get it on cd, during end ...
that is a gain
because you’re now recharging tea instead of just wasting it by being overcapped at 3
stable cove
ah ok someone told me to only use if it wouldnt overcap energy
but i ignored it but just checking
ty
novel star
that is true for the entire fight unless you are going to cap charges
any time ur at 3
slam
cerulean maple
using it is more important than not overcapping
cerulean maple
all of the above
cerulean maple
god i feel that
buoyant schooner
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
static jolt
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J1wmY7PhW8QCd9Br#fight=54&type=damage-done
ass sub rogue parse i knew it
normal mist
lol
static jolt
but my parses are way higher on asa
assa
played assa first time today instant bump up
novel star
idek how parses work tbh
it’s just how good your dps is on that boss relative to other people on the same spec
tidal lily
!wax
prisma monolithBOT
Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing
novel star
so like a 95 sub parse means ur dps is in the top 5% sub pulls on that boss
static jolt
ok then other sub players are hiding something
normal mist
they just have better gear / are better players
this is me for now
havent really tried to parse
novel star
kill time and strats can also affect parse a lot
soft shale
parsing as sub is super hard dont expect to get good ones unless you are top like 10
true tapir
havent really tried to parse
not even trying. imagine if he actually tried
normal mist
<:Sadge:804190807208493126>
thats beautiful to watch
balmy condor
damn
normal mist
if you notice carefuly
balmy condor
I have been owned
cerulean maple
this is me for now
peep the queen ansurek oh my
balmy condor
dude this weeks ansurek was so cringe
cerulean maple
how do i see that page?
static jolt
whispyr show the ilvl parse
normal mist
ilvl parses say nothing
static jolt
ilvl parses say everything
novel star
<:OMEGAKEKWMAN:858824902827573278>
holy 87 ur washed
balmy condor
ilvl parses are fully meme shit
static jolt
ilvl parses are fully meme shit
why?
balmy condor
because ilvl is an awful metric lmao
cerulean maple
87 on ulgrax of all things ? ? scuffed
static jolt
show them though
novel star
that screenshot is ilv parse
cerulean maple
<:OMEGAKEKWMAN:858824902827573278>
hew how do u get to this page
also question for u whispyr, how do i make the bottom row of ur WA as big a the top row? ie dps cooldowns
marble hemlock
even my alt has one
balmy condor
hew how do u get to this page
also question for u whispyr, how do i make the bo...
pull up your char on wcl
normal mist
<:OMEGAKEKWMAN:858824902827573278>
how do you change to ilvl parse?
blazing jewel
@balmy condor post ilvl logs coward
novel star
they’re just kinda dumb yeah ilvl doesn’t mean very much and also less data
balmy condor
hew how do u get to this page
also question for u whispyr, how do i make the bo...
can resize the group
marble hemlock
<@167090536602140682> post ilvl logs coward
post greenparse. oh wait you cant.
blazing jewel
post greenparse. oh wait you cant.
novel star
!scana
cold sparrow
Hello, I have a dumb question: Ive seen some assa using improved garrote + sanguine blades + shrouded suffocation instead of 2x vicious venoms + dashing scoundrel in raid.
Does anyone know why? ST or Cleave/add fights, does not matter 😅 , is it preference? Thought they were more of m+ talents
novel star
someone pretend to be moroes and post the emote
marble hemlock
balmy condor
Hello, I have a dumb question: Ive seen some assa using improved garrote + sangu...
imp gar sims like 0.3% higher for them and they're cringe
normal mist
mine barely moved for all parses
novel star
<:scanaw:1207051044077568000>
thanks moroes
cold sparrow
thank you 🤣
novel star
if i don’t fix my mythic ulgrax parse next week i’m gonna do something permanent
blazing jewel
imp gar sims like 0.3% higher for them and they're cringe
How many of them do you think are clipping the garrote too 
drifting cloud
How many of them do you think are clipping the garrote too <:Cheesin:10040943334...
stop calling me out
cerulean maple
mine barely moved for all parses
i wonder if it's by current ilvl or by ilvl at time of parse
drifting cloud
MODS TIME HIM OUT
novel star
i wonder if it's by current ilvl or by ilvl at time of parse
time
cerulean maple
i would hope so right
blazing jewel
stop calling me out
Go back to prog bozo
cerulean maple
stop calling me out
they call him the clipper
balmy condor
idk why wcl even supports ilvl parse
drifting cloud
same reason you have to make bis lists
balmy condor
yeah I guess
novel star
idk why wcl even supports ilvl parse
not to vent again but that gm i ran away from was using ilvl parse to evaluate peoples skill
jaunty matrix
same reason you have to make bis lists
elaborate
balmy condor
novel star
actually hell world
jaunty matrix
cerulean maple
can resize the group
aren't they all just in core? or do i rezie specifically the ones that are relevant to the talents i have
Sorry been like a few years since ive mad a weakauyra
my fucking cat just knocked my screen off of my desk
novel star
like one of the almost decent players in the roster was getting singled out for having a 49 avg ilvl parse or something
jaunty matrix
only dps parses during fights and that on heroic/mythic matter
novel star
novel star
key parse is funny
balmy condor
aren't they all just in core? or do i rezie specifically the ones that are relev...
click this
marble hemlock
real chads ilvl parse 100 because theyre 1/1
jaunty matrix
slate crown
Or if you want them to just be the same size, change to a non custom grow
novel star
slate crown
Grid: center horizontal , then down
slate crown
should technically be a custom option
Eh it’s a group option so it’s finicky to make the custom options manageable at the group level.
novel star
slate crown
Mine aren’t custom options either for the grow type stuff
marble hemlock
back in classic and tbc when the game was actually hard, we didnt have weakauras
(mostly because it was called powerauras instead)
slate crown
I remember slicecommander
novel star
back in classic and tbc when the game was actually hard, we didnt have weakauras
holy based
balmy condor
back in classic and tbc when the game was actually hard, we didnt have weakauras
okay grandpa lets get you back to bed
novel star
watched a classic mage guide recently cus i was bored
marble hemlock
back then addons had cool names
novel star
that rotation is tight man
static jolt
guys dont bother with whispyr's weakauras his ilvl parses clearly show hes a mediocre player at best. Rather take my incredibly refinend weakaura
marble hemlock
like the arena addon being called proximo, after the dude in the gladiator movie
nocturne quail
i think i am seeing some rogue finishing on 6 and 7 cp on dungeon bosses, and seems like on purpose not just becuase of procs
novel star
i think i am seeing some rogue finishing on 6 and 7 cp on dungeon bosses, and se...
you finish at 7 for darkest night and only for darkest night
other than that’s it’s 5+
marble hemlock
okay grandpa lets get you back to bed
im actually ony my way to bed
nocturne quail
you finish at 7 for darkest night and only for darkest night
yeah this is what i thought
novel star
nocturne quail
but for sure seeing some streamer going to 7 on purpose and was thinking i misunderstood
quiet oar
Started kyveza today
novel star
they are probably just playing wrong then
nocturne quail
they nice af tho is the thing
quiet oar
God am i looking forward to get my DN evenoms parried
novel star
Started kyveza today
that boss looks so fun man i wish i was there
quiet oar
marble hemlock
that boss looks so fun man i wish i was there
it isnt
quiet oar
Btw
marble hemlock
weirdly enough i never had that happen
quiet oar
Seli
marble hemlock
but dn/er parries do happen
quiet oar
Did you know thst ct can be pwrried
marble hemlock
yes
quiet oar
What the fuck is this shit
marble hemlock
psure its deflected, not parry
but yes
(which is just ranged parry)
(which not even hunter has anymore, but for some reason sbs/ct do)
quiet oar
marble hemlock
its real funny with SBS cuz that shit flies off to the moon
quiet oar
I thought i was going crazy
When i Pressed ct two timds
And Boss still had no ct on it
marble hemlock
my fav is when the adds on ovinax get kn9ocked up into the air
and that makes your fok not hit anymore
quiet oar
west peak
thats a thing? jfc
novel star
???
marble hemlock
ye at a certain z-level difference you cant hit shit anymore
novel star
game sucks man
quiet oar
Evoker
west peak
think the aug one is the one that sends things into orbit but dunno
quiet oar
Augment
undone flame
shoude both my weapons have the same enh or is it okay to mix them?
marble hemlock
ye maybe
either way its cringe af
when theres 20 parasites, 3 spiders and a boss
and your fok generates 1cp
good times
cerulean maple
change to whatever size you want
omg thats how that works thank u so much
i was looking for like 30 minutes before working up the courage to ask lmao
west peak
think the most scuffed part of learning/playing this spec this tier has been kingsbane being parriable lmao
like wtf is that
undone flame
didnt know that
cerulean maple
okay grandpa lets get you back to bed
this made my cat giving my screen bright spots much more emotionally managable 
west peak
didnt know that
it just disappears into the void lol
sacred schooner
think the most scuffed part of learning/playing this spec this tier has been kin...
nope worst one getting out of stealth without applying mark ;x esp if vanish cd
soft shale
i assume shaman
no need for it to be shaman any double knock does it
royal lantern
think the most scuffed part of learning/playing this spec this tier has been kin...
everyone reacts the same too that
marble hemlock
psure thats a filter circumvention
sacred schooner
and there is no way to recover like wait 2m for vanish if you failed to apply mark 
marble hemlock
mods?
royal lantern
abusing mod powers smh my head
quiet oar
psure thats a filter circumvention
Wdym He used the german article die, from der/die/das
Obv
balmy condor
the light can't reach you here seli
marble hemlock
the light can't reach you here seli
am i in a place where the sun doesnt shine?
i dont wanna be in britain
quiet oar
and there is no way to recover like wait 2m for vanish if you failed to apply ma...
Vanish or restealth
No other way
west peak
nope worst one getting out of stealth without applying mark ;x esp if vanish cd
i mean yeah thats annoying too but its kinda something u learn to play around
some bosses/areas its very annoying ofc but never found it nearly as frustrating as my 1m cd just vanishing
sacred schooner
Vanish or restealth
exactly cursed mechanic, there should be another way to apply mark somehow from 2m cd for example if there is none right now
i mean you got used to it and play around with enough experience, but if you are not fast enough for example and boss will drop you out of stealth you need to waste vanish
undone flame
exactly cursed mechanic, there should be another way to apply mark somehow from ...
i hate the first boss in cot
when it yonks you out of stealth
sacred schooner
i hate the first boss in cot
when it yonks you out of stealth
you need to get melee range to mutigate that
he will not pull then
but yeah cancer boss
west peak
yeah theres plenty of ways they could change it if they cared to
undone flame
yea just hard to get thare befor my tank pulls with range
sacred schooner
just littlbe bit qol -_-
cloud basin
so why does details show my dps higher than what logs do, generally just curious
sacred schooner
some logs ratings doesnt count adds plus if it is not you who log, some parts missing
novel star
so why does details show my dps higher than what logs do, generally just curious
aug
or adds
but it’s usually aug if it’s a big diffy 
cloud basin
aug then, because my guild has one and im one of the ones to receive buffs
novel star
ye
cloud basin
i mean its not like much, maybe 100k or so? its a range
olive pawn
is plague damage nature + bleed?
novel star
wcl gives aug all the damage of its buffs
cloud basin
is plague damage nature + bleed?
nature shadow
olive pawn
ah kk
balmy condor
some logs ratings doesnt count adds plus if it is not you who log, some parts mi...
if it is not you who log, some parts missing
this is only true across large distances like raszageth platforms
cloud basin
> if it is not you who log, some parts missing
this is only true across large d...
Queen too possibly?
cloud basin
maybe i just need to log myself lol
violet berry
Empowering crystal over sac?
balmy condor
Empowering crystal over sac?
whatever sims higher for you
undone flame
i know it better to sim but is it better to have gems of all colors or use the one with the stats you need?
balmy condor
an optimized blashphemite is typically 0.2% better
undone flame
okay thanks is that with all slots haveing sockets?
balmy condor
thats with 4 colors yes
undone flame
okay thanks 😄
winged quail
Crit/mastery
Mastery/Crit
Haste/crit
Vers/mastery simmed highest for me
undone flame
yea i need to get raidbots prime or get one of my buddys with it to sim for me
winged quail
Ye I hate simming gems even with raidbots premium
wispy epoch
Crit is my lowest stat 😭
Mastery and haste for me now…
Wish I was versatility class…
balmy condor
said no one ever
hoary remnant
gems are so fun
Imo it's the last thing people should worry about
balmy condor
ye ofc
quaint dock
Just getting into Assassination rogue and had a question. If you use Deathmark does it duplicate existing bleeds? Or only bleeds applied after?
balmy condor
both
spice surge
queen platforms aren't THAT far apart
Theyre far enough apart that sectech cant be assigned to the sub rogue, exactly like on rasz and dathea
old sequoia
should i craft mythic weapon first?
novel star
if you don’t have a myth track dagger then yes
old sequoia
ty
novel star
olive pawn
do we send env immediately even if we are low on energy/cant chain when we have darkest night?
balmy condor
yes
sullen mural
thats with 4 colors yes
isnt it 5?
spice surge
Yes but one is stamina, which you dont want
balmy condor
tall atlas
is there a known issue with the 2.5k appearance item
tall atlas
do we send env immediately even if we are low on energy/cant chain when we have ...
wtf is darkest night is this batman
nvm
novel star
is there a known issue with the 2.5k appearance item
it’s just a small effect
if u look at the items tab u should have like
2 myth colour shoulders for example
one with glow and one without
shit barely looks different
tall atlas
tall atlas
novel star
that doesn’t matter
tall atlas
mad sadge
tall atlas
so why is the appearance not there
novel star
relog maybe
tall atlas
alpine pagoda
https://i.imgur.com/EnawRvW.png
no 99's (
tall atlas
is it that tiny puff of smoke
strange python
Mfker ist STACKING gold atm
novel star
https://i.imgur.com/EnawRvW.png
no 99's (
wtf is that tab
tall atlas
https://i.imgur.com/EnawRvW.png
no 99's (
mans not left his chair since launch
quaint dock
Can we reset bosses with dagger throw and vanish?
novel star
Can we reset bosses with dagger throw and vanish?
Ya but i think having poisons applied scuffs it
drowsy geyser
why in my sims is Skardyn's Grace weaker than Treacherous Transmitter
drowsy geyser
better then skardyn or ara/spyglass?
tall atlas
use both
drowsy geyser
i use Treacherous Transmitter and Void Reaper's Contract since i have these two, but grace was never better in sims
tall atlas
use one for DM + KB and the other for Solo KB
tall atlas
i use Treacherous Transmitter and Void Reaper's Contract since i have these two,...
what are the ilvls of the trinkets
drowsy geyser
all 619
novel star
it would look the same at any ilvl
balmy condor
https://i.imgur.com/EnawRvW.png
no 99's (
novel star
skardyns isn’t magically better than transmitter even though transmitter gives you an insane amount of stat
tall atlas
<a:aPES_Salute:506350613953642496>
look at the kill counters whis he is cheating
novel star
it’s just recommended because transmitter is aids
and passives are legit a toss up
passive trinks are 4fun
pick wat makes u smile (sims highest)
(:
drowsy geyser
sims ftw
balmy condor
look at the kill counters whis he is cheating
Many sales
runic hinge
insane amount of sales
balmy condor
Money gaming
novel star
the 100s are edited but the kills surely real
grinding gold
mf rank 3 enchanting vet gear on his alts
runic hinge
7 queen kills a day on average
novel star
doable
drowsy geyser
link the sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h6S7uEUrReYcdasZ1g7PqZ added all possible bis trinkets
novel star
nice name
drowsy geyser
most of top dps on warcraft logs use grace with sacbrood
waxen oyster
ritual knife is pretty high on that list for a trinket
novel star
both of these things are untrue of transmitter
novel star
farmable version vs farmable version
waxen oyster
big fan
drowsy geyser
so in conclusion, cuz it sims better, it should be better for me
scarlet wyvern
is it normal that people dont inv me in the LFG tool for +12 keys while they themselves have 300-400 rio lesser than yourself? Kinda idiotic..
drowsy geyser
their keys, their rules. Idiotic? yes.
scarlet wyvern
hm
spice surge
Assa is definitely as strong, if not stronger than those in terms of the damage it does
nocturne quail
not as much as fdk maybe
spice surge
Its just really squishy
west crown
Just run your own keys. Big time saver and you pick who you play with
scarlet wyvern
i have played all keys +11 but i am trying to get into any +12 since 2h and 37min
cunning needle
secret tip for getting into keys, dont share it though
if you use your own
youre always invited
100% of the time
please dont spread this
waxen oyster
youre always invited
cunning needle
i dont want people finding about this tech
scarlet wyvern
risking ppl to push up my key and then leave when they feel depleted is also huge time loss
lose / lose situation xD
waxen oyster
cunning needle
well not everybody since there are still keys in LFG
inland trellis
Yep, i love wasting 2hours of my life
inland trellis
As long as it makes someone happy
viscid breach
with gems for culminating do the colors on the gem icon matter or just the type of gem itself? deadly emerald shows rg on its icon would it count for those colors or just green for it being an emerald?
inland trellis
Its just about it being an emerald, ruby etc
viscid breach
ty
inland trellis
U are a patient one just wait a little more
patent narwhal
for BIS are you guys looking at icy or wowhead?
iron valve
!bis
prisma monolithBOT
BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.
Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character
strange python
hello my fellow roogs, love you all 🙂
ebon steppe
How would supercharger interact with deathmark&darkest night？
balmy condor
exactly how you expect it would
slim pebble
i just pulled threat off a vdh with an ambush proccing radiant power
I pulled aggro off an arms warrior in AOE yesterday. Tricks was on CD. I was fighting for my life
meager plank
!up
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
i just pulled threat off a vdh with an ambush proccing radiant power
I ran with a guardian druid who would not charge into packs, just hold W, and then moonfire one by one before pressing thrash
and I wanted to actually shoot the guy
my garrotes would cleave and pull aggro
and it would be RNG whether or not he would cycle his tab target to the mobs I had aggro on
might be the next moonfire
might be 3 gcds later
thorn thorn
Might be an uninstall angle tbh
balmy condor
enduring the 1300 io tab targetting moonfire spamming guardian druid is just a part of my journey to find a skardyns
mystic osprey
I ran with a guardian druid who would not charge into packs, just hold W, and th...
Good tank.
Had a blood dk who kept spinning the marauders into a full melee group
balmy condor
huge tech
balmy condor
it gives stats, so yeh
quaint hull
I assume Radiant Power is better in AOE since its main stat.
balmy condor
wait
depths
no
power gives stats and scales
depths is single target damage
doesn't scale for shit
quaint hull
Yeah, Radiant is -200 dps in ST sim. but im thinkin on switching to it on brood for more aoe.
thorn thorn
Had a blood dk who kept spinning the marauders into a full melee group
I had a bdk that was saving all their runic power for the next key
glad ferry
Why are some ppl using a different set of single target talents compared to those on WoWhead?
thorn thorn
They died numerous times with a full bar of runic power
quaint hull
Yeah, and im thinking if you consider having to do mechanics and losing uptime (which is more practical). Radiant Power can beat out Depths.
glad ferry
Bleed focused garrote build over poison
balmy condor
Why are some ppl using a different set of single target talents compared to thos...
cause imp gar sims 0.3% higher for them and they're cringe
mystic osprey
I had a bdk that was saving all their runic power for the next key
Seems like they're lagging or trash either one
thorn thorn
Considering he stopped before the first boss in SV and asked us how he was supposed to live the tank mechanic I feel compelled to believe its the 2nd option
balmy condor
I'd bet money if I open a random imp gar log right now they fuck it up
glad ferry
cause imp gar sims 0.3% higher for them and they're cringe
85% of the top 100 rogues on 4th mythic boss use imp garrote idk
I'm trying to figure out cause I just parsed a green on sikran and my ego is shattered
quaint hull
I'd bet money if I open a random imp gar log right now they fuck it up
The ability to reapply DS if a mage pre-jaculates on pull is 2 valuable.
mystic osprey
That 0.3 percent extra damage will put you up bro
quaint hull
I'm trying to figure out cause I just parsed a green on sikran and my ego is sha...
You just need to hit the wowhead guide at that point bro.
mystic osprey
Might have to buy coaching from whispyr
quaint hull
Someone asked me why they werent parsing well and I said "maybe equipping that Skardyn in your bags will help."
balmy condor
I'm trying to figure out cause I just parsed a green on sikran and my ego is sha...
yeh the 2k dps from imp gar is gonna make it purple for sure
glad ferry
if someone wants to check it out and help me
Nah i dont think that's the issue, I'm obviously doing something wrong
mystic osprey
Damn you 625
glad ferry
I'm a M+ player buit I'm also trying not to suck
mystic osprey
With myth track MH toi
balmy condor
Guts Logs
quaint hull
if someone wants to check it out and help me
fuck it I got time
quaint hull
if someone wants to check it out and help me
To start you dont have an on-use. Comeback after you get one.
glad ferry
To start you dont have an on-use. Comeback after you get one.
LMFAO is it that good?
I've been grinding my ass off
sacbrood sims higher than mandate but... idk
thorn thorn
Gotta get that on-use to use with mark
barren epoch
isnt skardyns grace giga bis or does it have competitors
quaint hull
isnt skardyns grace giga bis or does it have competitors
Transmitter is good 2.
mystic osprey
isnt skardyns grace giga bis or does it have competitors
Yes
quaint hull
The timewalking agi mainstat on use is also good.
glad ferry
does mandate scale with mark?
barren epoch
The timewalking agi mainstat on use is also good.
caps at champ track right?
quaint hull
does mandate scale with mark?
Mandate is not the trinket anyone is talking about. We are talking about a stat on-use to line up with DeathMark.
quaint hull
caps at champ track right?
You can get lucky and get a heroic one from the TW weekly.
barren epoch
really lucky
is there a minimum amount of haste you would play with? irrespective of sims
glad ferry
Mandate is not the trinket anyone is talking about. We are talking about a stat ...
ofc ty
strange python
I'm levelling an assassin now, so much fun! Lot of strong ST. I can't wait till 80! I want to pvp as assassin too
mint urchin
Has anyone figured out a good way to open on first boss of CoT or do you all just send vanish immediately
waxen oyster
I ran with a guardian druid who would not charge into packs, just hold W, and th...
dps is honestly the hardest role
unless its aug
then thats just as boosted as tank/healer players
mystic osprey
dps is honestly the hardest role
In raid or both
celest helm
ofc ty
personally i just took time to read through your logs and realized that you should in fact consider getting good
glad ferry
yeah
celest helm
I smurf your peak kid
glad ferry
Never coming back here again
pastel pine
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
glad ferry
(I raid with @celest helm ) he's like this irl
noble pollen
Buff fatebound! Imagine fliping coins.
glad ferry
I'm broke
coral ibex
fatebound sims pretty close to DS, just play it if you want
barren epoch
whats up with fate bound? is it fun?
coral ibex
its boring, theres basically no gameplay change
upbeat needle
what tier piece do we not want as sin
barren epoch
damn its tough out here, at least im beginning to warm up to dsm
barren epoch
what tier piece do we not want as sin
i think Ive seen some assas rogues drop chest?
balmy condor
that is the icon for twist the knife
mystic osprey
But twist the knife <:monkaOMEGA:938938790515474443>
Yes it buff
barren epoch
makes sense that envenoms dur is longer with twist the knife and that the two envenoms overlap
mystic osprey
personally i just took time to read through your logs and realized that you shou...
Sure a Sim would fix everything
thorn thorn
Yes
celest helm
Sure a Sim would fix everything
surely
barren epoch
im not sure what phenomena is being explained but the graphic makes sense
tall jay
Whispyr, are you in the kitchen cooking again lol
thorn thorn
Based on the chart it looks like its displaying extra duration from Twist the Knife and showing stacked envenoms
balmy condor
keen spruce
does the timeline make more sense
I feel like it makes sense to anyone that already know how it works and has read the upcoming changes
I also know that is a big ask of anyone that’s gonna be asking questions in here
Why show the ttk extension separately?
Just make the green bar longer if TTK is talented with a check ox maybe? 
Idk the context
barren epoch
oh shiet they released new changes for 20th aniversary ?
gilded dune
is this any good?
mystic osprey
oh shiet they released new changes for 20th aniversary ?
Ages ago
lime pelican
Do we ever send DM if KB isnt up or wait it out?
wispy epoch
is this any good?
It’s literally as good as the trinket from GB
mystic osprey
Surely you heard about no echoing reprimand in like a week
wispy epoch
If not better
waxen oyster
In raid or both
idk raid tank is kinda afk
gilded dune
It’s literally as good as the trinket from GB
idk what that is but ok, guess I wont' DE it
mystic osprey
idk raid tank is kinda afk
Was more thinking healer
mystic osprey
Fair enough
wispy epoch
than healing any pve content
You healed 10+ keystones?
waxen oyster
yeah its not bad
barren epoch
You healed 10+ keystones?
you ever hit glad on healer ? XD
glad ferry
Do I ever want to use Tea for mastery on burst or literally never use until I need energy ? Same for Reprimand actally...
coral ibex
always use ER on cooldown
celest helm
Do I ever want to use Tea for mastery on burst or literally never use until I ne...
use it for energy
glad ferry
ok ty
west crown
Do I ever want to use Tea for mastery on burst or literally never use until I ne...
Use during shiv for damage and energy, make sure you don’t over cap
glad ferry
are you hit capped?
runic hinge
yes
glad ferry
Damn
glad ferry
WHAT REALLY
runic hinge
yes really
glad ferry
thats crazy
barren epoch
Use during shiv for damage and energy, make sure you don’t over cap
does this apply in an aoe situation where you have a surplus of energy?
hushed elbow
if you have 3 in your pocket use one to get it on cooldown
but in general you want to use tea with shiv almost exclusively during burst windows
viscid breach
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
nocturne quail
does this apply in an aoe situation where you have a surplus of energy?
Can use two teas in DM and KB window in keys, first one alone and second with shiv. Just for the mastery
bronze pike
cerulean maple
I know sims aren't good practice to use to compare specs dps but like on my gear sub sims like 120k higher than assa (i'm gearing for assa). would it be worth trying it for the upcoming raid on tuesday w my guild or should i just stick to assa? havent played sub in years atp
or is there some like crazy minmaxing for sub that the sim does but people can't reliably
burnt juniper
i wasn't able to apply mark from ambush in stealth, how do you fix this bug
slate crown
Just ST with caustic for heroic queen?
drifting cloud
yeah
balmy condor
i wasn't able to apply mark from ambush in stealth, how do you fix this bug
don't 
ambush the instant you enter stealth
arctic tusk
burnt juniper
don't <a:Monkey_Jump:872016868771246081> ambush the instant you enter stealth
it was on pull on ovinax, very strange
but good to know if i vanish to try to reapply it don't insta ambush ❤️
sacred schooner
i wasn't able to apply mark from ambush in stealth, how do you fix this bug
welcome to the club :x i got this one all the time dunno what to do also
sacred schooner
i even changed from macro to "real" spell still happens from time to time
might some sub stuff -_-
strange python
I use jundies plater profile, it's the best one I have used
storm forum
hey if im doing the new ST build without imp gar/ss, do i just not bother with gar from vanish?
runic hinge
correct
drifting cloud
yeah you have a cosmetic vanish or when you screw up your mark
runic hinge
where do i find internal bleeding in logs
storm forum
ok ty
crisp stream
i should be using high ilvl dagger on mh right?
pliant remnant
runic hinge
i should be using high ilvl dagger on mh right?
mystic osprey
i should be using high ilvl dagger on mh right?
yuh
dusty skiff
!up
prisma monolithBOT
gilded dune
anyone have a ptr build they are playing around with?
mystic osprey
!bugs
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue
mint valve
Is vicious venom good for st or are people not playing it?
mystic osprey
Is vicious venom good for st or are people not playing it?
👍
its used in the ST build
if youre running deathstalker/hybrid build
sullen mural
I know sims aren't good practice to use to compare specs dps but like on my gear...
Ngl all 3 rogue specs deal fairly similar dmg that you'll just benefit more from playing the one you can play the best other than a few specific mythic fights (Brood for assa, silken for sub)
chilly nimbus
We have any spreadsheet for sin rogue?
balmy condor
what info are you trying to get
chilly nimbus
I'm curious about spyglass trinket.
balmy condor
what's the curiosity
chilly nimbus
Being more specific, I want to know the difference in dps between spyglass and ara-kara.
balmy condor
you can go to top gear and sim that
sullen mural
I mean just sim it if you are that curious
balmy condor
there's an item search at the top
chilly nimbus
maybe use these 2 at same time
sullen mural
no you dont
balmy condor
I mean sure
you can
would just lose skardyns
so your burst goes down
single target goes down
sullen mural
Depression goes up tho
balmy condor
the overall dps probably isn't bad
late kestrel
hey could anyone run a key with me? i want to compare dmg and make sure im going thru the rotation correctly
sullen mural
Ik all the ways suck but whats the "best" way to sim for m+ to even get a remotely close idea
balmy condor
dungeonslice
barren epoch
if you have bubbling wax on both weapons does it increase proc chance
compared to just one
sullen mural
can we nerf this trinket i dont wanna delve for hero track
balmy condor
if you have bubbling wax on both weapons does it increase proc chance
it doesn't stack in any way
having the second applied is 0 dps
frank condor
anyone know what the effective range is with caustic spatter? my spatter damage on broodtwister is way too low, i think it's not hitting everything
balmy condor
12 yards from center of target
frank condor
ok thanks, so maybe i am on worms butt too much and missing spiders or something
some of these prog pulls show my envenom higher than spatter which seems very wrong (mythic if it matters)
aside from the parasites aoe blast which turns my pc into a slide show
balmy condor
that can probably happen
poison bomb is wrapped into envenom damage
can crank depending on when it procs
don't think spatter should ever be lower but I guess it's possible
like if I just look at the first 2:20ish
poison bomb is doing a lot of heavy lifting
frank condor
that's true my poison bomb is hitting hard but still
i think just fixing the framerates will help a lot - im pretty sure our tanks are putting the spiders within 12 yds tho
hallow ridge
best dps upgrade is a pc upgrade
runic hinge
balmy condor
idk I get like 50-60 fps lows during ovi'nax streaming to youtube and twitch at the same time and I'm on last gen
it's not that bad
just have to slow down the refresh rate on plater/details
coral ibex
a lot of fps loss comes from unnecessary plater stuff with large numbers of adds
wheat night
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sullen mural
just have to slow down the refresh rate on plater/details
what u put em on, think mine are on like 1.5
balmy condor
whatever the max is idk
coral ibex
but also i watch streamers get like 30 fps or less with "new" machines and presumably separate stream machines
on these fights
balmy condor
I think plater maxes out at 0.5
rotund marsh
hows our 2pc and 4pc tier