assassination

[strange python]

I do at 5 dummies 3mil and ST is around 1mil on lower keys tho

At 610 ilvl

[knotty grove]

as i said i do something wrong

im asking for help 😄

[lofty dawn]

does my mad queen's mandate do x2 damage when i have it in my deathmark? dont think it should but sometimes it does 8m instead of 4m

[balmy prism]

it scales with remaining hp, have you tested on dummy?

[late surge]

@spice surge how good is long cloak on kyveza

[lofty dawn]

i have not currently in raid

[spice surge]

Its extra damage

So ye its good

[strange python]

Target big mob in the pack or the mob that gets usualy least focused down if they are all same hp and importance, focus target kick mob if you're using focus kick for easier kicking while doing ur rotation,
Ambush with shadowstep if tank is rushing, make sure to tricks tank before that,
2 step Ambush the mob, garrotex2, rapturex2, usualy on 5 -8 pack mobs(to spread the bleeds) mutilate, echoing rerpimand, Crimson tempest,
The use CD's Crtimson tempest, Kingsbane, Thistle tea,
Then proceed to do your CD roration, FoK envenom, Muti Envenom (muti is to extend caustic spatter) make sure to shiv mid kingsbane idealy 7 sec left on kingsbane.
When u dont have any cds just repeat the 2nd step and do the same as if in cds, you can send shiv without kingsbane since u will have it back for next kingsbane

I mean everything i wrote has been written in more detail on wowhead or icyveins

[slim pebble]

!wa

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[late surge]

how so? pulling soon

[undone flame]

shoude i go the same enh on weapons or is it okay to mix them?

[coral ibex]

the talent is broken

[past panther]

are you using the hybrid talents or pure aoe

[coral ibex]

its actually just flensing

[knotty grove]

my guess is the pure aoe - i do recommend for m+ from icyveins

[spice surge]

Flensing knives comes from longer cloak, its bugged

[late surge]

wat

ok

lol

[spice surge]

But out of all fights kyveza is among the few where longer cloak is actually good even without that

[normal mist]

@past panther

Just timed my +9 key

you proud of me

[late surge]

yeah I was thinking long cloak for intermission

damage seems rough there

but now u put me on new tech

why didnt I know of this

[subtle tundra]

its really good for intermission

cause you sometimes immune 2 lines

instead of 1

[late surge]

that was why I wanted to take it

but it makes me do dam

holy moly

[subtle tundra]

you want to use at 6 seconds remaining

[late surge]

ok

thanks varas

[past panther]

i am very proud of u

no more complaining about no invites

[past panther]

do the hybrid build

[real granite]

i've been 2weeks afk, double dawnthread is still the bis for m+? I see all the rogs with ascension in rio, even rogs that do not raid

[normal mist]

[real granite]

maybe our lack of st makes ascension a better choice?

[past panther]

I just put ascension on because I do both

[grim jay]

its marginally better in ST

[grim jay]

thats exactly the wrong choice then

[past panther]

and i made my jewelry cause i kept on getting cucked and all I had was wrist/wep

[past panther]

idk we’re still progging heroic because i raid with a stoner group so there are a lot of instances im not at 80%

also i never had 2 armor pieces

i could not get jewelry to save my LIFE so i wound up making a ring and neck to get rid of veteran pieces

[grim jay]

well alright, special circumstances ig

[past panther]

if its like way worse you could convince me to make another piece next spark

but ive seen everyone say embellishments are literally nothing compared to what they were in DF so i didn’t stress that hard about it

[coral ibex]

duuuude when the bio break is to take a rip

[past panther]

we have a full 26-30 ppl each week and at least half of them are drunk, high or both

it’s so fun

we started on council last week

[knotty grove]

where do i find the hybrid build?

[broken hollow]

ty @balmy condor and @sullen mural for the help yesterday - spatter % increase on GB 9 - looking a lot better

[quiet oar]

Is cheat

completely uselss

at kyveza

because she executes you anyway

?

[past panther]

icy veins pretty sure

[static jolt]

sorry to bother anyone with this question but im new to assa and i wanted to ask what determines the combo points received from mutilate?

[rotund monolith]

do we have a WA or a lsit of debuffs that we should feint? (with talent)

[normal mist]

crits

either 2, 3 or 4

[static jolt]

only crits?

[soft shale]

yes

[coral ibex]

yes

[normal mist]

are you playing deathstalker?

[coral ibex]

play elu

[quiet oar]

So i take elu

at kyveza

[soft shale]

correct

[quiet oar]

gg

[soft shale]

well tbh i would play elu on many fights

dots are scare

[normal mist]

Are you playing deathstalker?

[static jolt]

yes sir

[normal mist]

Then yes

only crits

[sullen mural]

It also just really helps you to survive when being targeted

[static jolt]

tysm for the info

[sullen mural]

i watched imexiles pov on that boss and that hurts even with elusiveness+feint

[normal mist]

If you don't crit, you get 2. If one hand crits, you get 3, if both MH and OH crit, you get 4

[static jolt]

thats great to know!

[normal mist]

thats why we sometimes complaing

we have to muti-muti-muti-wait for energy - muti to 7cp envenom

[static jolt]

yeah

[normal mist]

to activate the capstone

[static jolt]

its also ass with er

[normal mist]

rng is a bitch

ER makes everything so much better tho

[static jolt]

hated er since shadowlands tbh

[normal mist]

it makes Deathstalker playable

[static jolt]

hows that?

[normal mist]

ER cps interact with mark and DN

[coral ibex]

you can activate capstone with ER cps

[sullen mural]

Er is such a fun designed ability

i love er

[coral ibex]

i like er too

[royal lantern]

1 1/2 weeks

[normal mist]

~yeah.............

[coral ibex]

yea rip

[normal mist]

rip ER

[coral ibex]

[normal mist]

[sullen mural]

I mean

[static jolt]

i see

[sullen mural]

its still half there

charges 2 cp instead of 3 and is on shiv but

the spirit feel me

[static jolt]

is er going away?

[normal mist]

yeah

as we know it

[static jolt]

POG

[normal mist]

to something else

[coral ibex]

the effect is just being put on shiv

[static jolt]

ah fk

[sullen mural]

We lost er as a button but got snd for free and feint off gcd

i take it tbh

[static jolt]

snd?

[normal mist]

slice

and

fucking

[static jolt]

ah

[normal mist]

dice

xD

[royal lantern]

its kinda funny how ER was shit the entire time

then for the first time since ER exists they made it actually play and feel good

and then remove it

[quiet oar]

Yeye i know that, i just realized that

with cheat

[static jolt]

is snd also going away???

[sullen mural]

basicly

you dont have to press it

[static jolt]

crazy

[sullen mural]

ever

legit unbind it forget about it removed 1 button from opener

[normal mist]

Amen

[past panther]

feels good man

so ER’s effect goes to shiv?

[sullen mural]

yeah

[past panther]

i didn’t read the changes in specific

[sullen mural]

but 1 charged cp less

i think

[past panther]

damn really doubling down on kingsbane then

[normal mist]

and lets not forget

on envenom buff double deep

[past panther]

yeh that’s one of the new talents right?

[normal mist]

this will change

[past panther]

basically encouraging envenom spamming

[normal mist]

to stack

like ironfur

basically

[balmy prism]

log question, is there a way to see overall damage taken for all pulls aggregated? Same as you would in details?

[fickle light]

does mutilate automatically turn into ambush when blindside activates?

[normal mist]

yes

[pure falcon]

what is the WA that lets u see the cd of your party member's kicks

[normal mist]

omni something iirc

as an addon

[balmy prism]

OmniCD or OmniCC both have an interrupt tracker

[coral ibex]

this is omniCD

if this is what you want

[fickle light]

was that a yes to both of us?

[normal mist]

oh

just for you bb

[fickle light]

<3 and i don't need any fancy macroes for mutilate, it just does it with the base ability?

[balmy condor]

just hit all wipes and then damage taken

yes

it's actually impossible to cast a mutilate with blindside up

the game does not let you

even /cast Mutilate would cast ambush

[fickle light]

thank you

[balmy prism]

ah appreciate ya boss

[fickle light]

my dumbass was compared my 1 minute like to people 6 min

and wondering why my ambush cast was so low

[static jolt]

should i always cast envenom with 7 combo points?

[balmy condor]

only with darkest night

[normal mist]

no

[balmy condor]

we finish on 5 normally

[static jolt]

ah ty

[patent blade]

!addons

!wa

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[balmy prism]

Speaking of darkest night, does 7 cp become priority over getting good extends on bleeds when its up?

[fickle light]

also if i ever cast vanish without improved garrote should it always be followed with ambush in ST

[balmy condor]

over any extend on bleeds

[hallow pelican]

Ive always been curious about overcapping vs. undercapping CP points. which would technically be the greater DPS loss? or does it not matter because we only really overcap when we have DN up and want to max the envenom?

[balmy condor]

it's the highest prio

[balmy prism]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

overcapping

[balmy condor]

sure

[hallow pelican]

Its definately been an adjustment to deal with 7CP. the last time I really raided on Rogue was LK and that was 5 CPs and way easier to manage

[humble cradle]

For fatebound is it 3+ mobs to start using fok?

[novel star]

ya

ct 2 fok 3

gm chatroom

[normal mist]

I just got reccommended a Rogue m+ youtube video guide from a 2500 rating PoV and i was like "ill give it a try"

first 20 seconds of the video - Him mouse clicking the abilities

OMG how can people play like this properly

(not bashing the guy, im actually impressed)

[zenith tree]

Staring at archon rn and I'm curious why a vast majority of top M+ rogues are taking tricks over blackjack any insight as to why?

[novel star]

feels good

doesn’t actually do anything but it feels good

[static jolt]

insane wtf

[limber lion]

Why would 7cp be harder to deal with than 5cp?

[subtle tundra]

you just look at the WA, if its green you finish

[royal lantern]

im pretty sure thats just not accurate lmao

tricks is like, giga ussules

except if you do some really niche pulls

[limber lion]

Because they copypaste a build from wowhead/raider.io which uses tricks

[hallow pelican]

back then it was way easier to land bang on 5 or 4 so it was essentially a 3 button rotation. Plus with half the energy, you knew you were overcapped if you were starved

[limber lion]

Doesn't mean people actually use the ability

[coral arrow]

what would you recommend for alter spark crafts guys? dagger 636 as first craft?

[zenith tree]

Fair enough, crazy to see that the top 100 rogues are specced like that tho according to what the site says

[limber lion]

Huh? I'm confused. How does the amount of cp have anything to do with energy or how many buttons you have to press?

[limber lion]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[limber lion]

It just goes to show that the node doesn't really do anything and it doesn't matter

[novel star]

well the rule used to be 4+ right

[limber lion]

Yes

[novel star]

so it was like brain off 2 mutilates

[limber lion]

Or 1

[novel star]

even if you get 0/4 crits

[novel star]

ah true

[limber lion]

But that still doesn't change the fact that you're pressing the same buttons

[hallow pelican]

yeah the rotation was like M M E, M M G E, M M E, M M R, M M E

[limber lion]

If you did that, then you played very incorrectly

Having the ability to land on 4 CP with a single mutilate would mean that sometimes you do Muti '- finisher, sometimes you do muti - muti - finishet and sometimes you do garrote - muti - finisher

But where does the energy take place in that?

"With half the energy, you knew you were overcapped if you starved"

Does not make sense.

[coral arrow]

hmm yeah but that message was season start recommend, right? I mean, right now for an alter (focused only for m+) is still better crafting belt/wrist intead of dagger as first when my daggers are 619? or belt/wrist is still better

[limber lion]

It's still the same...

Nothing has changed for embellishments

Sim yourself

If you don't have embellishments, make those

[novel star]

i mean if you can make a 636 dagger that will be the best option

[modest gale]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[novel star]

you can just craft without an embellishment

[coral arrow]

yeah that's what why I was asking

[novel star]

main hand ilvl is so important it’ll still be better

[hallow pelican]

look man im not trying to re-litigate how LK Sin rogue worked. it was fucking 12 years ago. Im just saying FOR ME ... 5 combo points was fucking easier. If you wanna be a sweaty tryhard asshole about it, then keep talking so I can fuckin ignore you and move on with my life

FFS

[coral arrow]

I'll sim it anyway just wanted your opinion, ty u both guys

[novel star]

[limber lion]

What a nice change of tone.

[fallen arch]

Holy

[faint vessel]

Soo sanguine + imp garrote single target. Is prio still envenom buff uptime or prio pooling?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fallen arch]

Wotlk was longer ago than that too btw

[novel star]

envenom

[limber lion]

Envenom buff

[faint vessel]

ty

[novel star]

you actually avoid sanguine

[faint vessel]

so same approach, just diff talents

well Im gonna try it, its simming higher and I see folks running it

[novel star]

getting into sanguine energy is a loss

[faint vessel]

I havent ran it in raid before

[novel star]

on deathstalker

[limber lion]

Gameplay is the same for every talent combo for deathstalker

Except single or double shiv

Badically

[novel star]

not true

[faint vessel]

ohhh avoiding sanguine energy spot

got it

[static jolt]

guys does outlaw rogue still have that goofy 17th century pistol?

[novel star]

you finish early to stay below 150 energy

with sanguine

because it’s bad

[faint vessel]

got it got it, so same as normal

[limber lion]

Yes?

[novel star]

yeah that’s called gameplay changing

[faint vessel]

yes

[novel star]

not staying the same

[limber lion]

You just do that with every talent setup

[static jolt]

thats crazy

[novel star]

no you don’t

[limber lion]

Sang or not

[novel star]

wat

?

[limber lion]

Why wouldn't you

[novel star]

you exclusively do that to avoid sanguine

being above 150 doesn’t mean anything without sanguine

[limber lion]

It doesn't make a difference

[novel star]

yes it does

[limber lion]

Alright

[clever topaz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

you don’t finish early and clip your envenom buff for no reason

unless you’re avoiding sanguine

lmao

why would you do that

[limber lion]

Sus

If you do that with Sang

You maximize Envenom uptime

You do not clip it

You just activrly do not pool above 50%

But if Envenom is active and you're 50% energy

Then you jist chill and let it happen

And Envenom when it's in pandemic

Clipping is just straight up trolling

Regardless of talents

[novel star]

ah yeh fair

i’m sleepy as fk idk

[limber lion]

We're chilling

I'm very constipated

Idk what I ate

Gotta get some fibers in damn

[novel star]

that is still different gameplay tho

but i was being dum

[limber lion]

What is?

[novel star]

pooling diff

[limber lion]

Why would you?

Just maximize Envenom uptime like you would normally

[waxen oyster]

i mean the core is still

optimize more env uptime

regardless

[limber lion]

It just doesn't punish you for pooling above 50%

[shy pecan]

Damn, someone got really upset about retail rogue math vs. rogue math from like 16 years ago, huh?

[limber lion]

But there's very little benefit to pool above 50% without sang

[humble cradle]

Ct= crimson tempest right?

[onyx musk]

No it’s cool timbs

[limber lion]

Like legit sang or not, judt chill below 50%

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[coral ibex]

we took the +1 cp talent bro what are you smoking

[faint vessel]

without sang i've followed whispyr's advice of staying just under 150 and its worked great for parses

[grim jay]

most of the time the same with those classic players

[coral ibex]

we had 6 in wotlk

[novel star]

pooling is fake news without sang ye but that’s also kind of a pointless thing to say

[coral ibex]

oh wait that was cata

[novel star]

like if sang didn’t change how u played at all there wouldn’t be a command ab it

[grim jay]

still kinda wild it changes it into exactly the opposit

of what the talent is for

[rotund oak]

its a trade off basicly

sang is good dmg

[waxen oyster]

my brain still sometimes

[rotund oak]

or at least dmg we didnt have

[waxen oyster]

plays off amirdrassil pool rules

pooling to 80

with an env ready

[rotund oak]

im watching awc

EU finals was a banger btw

now its NA

[grim jay]

awc= absolute wrinkle corrosion?

because thats what happens if I watch it

[novel star]

man

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

i swear the clip envenom to stay under 150 thing is correct

i’m too tired to remember

[grim jay]

it is

with sanguine

[novel star]

what the fuck did cev argue with me about then

why did i just get gaslit for 5 min

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

[limber lion]

There isn't?

That's a general pooling command

For Deathstalker the rule is below 50%

Sang or not

[grim jay]

hu no

[static jolt]

boys should i use fan of knives for momentum of despair in a single target situation and with the single target spec so with vicious venoms?

[limber lion]

Read the command

[novel star]

and the command says nothing about any pooling except sanguine

…?

[grim jay]

you should

I guess

[limber lion]

Sim literally does not pool

[novel star]

exactly

that’s why it’s a sanguine command

[coral ibex]

you always want to be below 50% as DS

[limber lion]

Brother

[novel star]

lmao

[coral ibex]

because more capstones more better

more marks more better

[limber lion]

Read it again

[novel star]

i have read it plenty

tell me where i’m incorrect

[limber lion]

Don't you know what pooling means?

[grim jay]

the only reason you get more envenom casts below 50% is literally because sanguin else sips energy

[limber lion]

This right here

[grim jay]

nothing else

[novel star]

yep

it is indeed a sanguine command

[limber lion]

Think about it a bit

[novel star]

since pooling isn’t something you do without sanguine

[limber lion]

If you don't pool

[novel star]

as you yourself said

[limber lion]

What do you do?

[limber lion]

Exactly

...

You do not pool

[novel star]

so what are u talking abt then

[limber lion]

You just send

[novel star]

why do u yap like this

[limber lion]

Yoy do not wait for energy

[novel star]

get to a point

[limber lion]

You literally send

Literally read

Sim does not pool

Sang or no sang

[novel star]

except you do

[limber lion]

It stays below 50%

[limber lion]

???

[static jolt]

what does pool mean

[limber lion]

Which one is it now

Lmao

[limber lion]

Waiting for energy

Literally not pressing anything

[static jolt]

ty

[limber lion]

The sim does not do that

Ever

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

Read it again

It literally says the rule is 50%

Even if you play VV instead of Sang

[grim jay]

@balmy condor break up the fight brother

[limber lion]

Like I said

It just doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

what are we fighting about

[limber lion]

You can literally be 50% always

With all buiöds

[novel star]

this one I just read as sin not sim lmao oopsy

[limber lion]

Sim sends 24/7

Literally gcd locked

Without Sang

[grim jay]

cev says we always below 50%, oliii says only with sanguine

[limber lion]

No

I said it doesn't matter

[grim jay]

or that

[limber lion]

50% or not, Sang or not

[static jolt]

should i though?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rpsnwRDNWJXDdJZ3us6BW7/simc

Look at this sim

Look at the example apl

[coral ibex]

yes unless you have 2/2 vicious venoms talented

[limber lion]

Look at the timetable

[static jolt]

i have

[limber lion]

Every single second it's pressing something

It's never afk

[novel star]

@balmy condor do u clip env to stay under 50% cus i assumed yes but maybe i’m smoking cock

[grim jay]

how do you smoke cock tho

[novel star]

that’s where me and cev disagreed initially

[balmy condor]

I mean with sang you should be under 50%, without sang you don't need to be under 50% and should be maxing out envenom, but realistically envenom is already maxed and you can't do shit about it anyway so idk man

clip, don't clip

same dps

[limber lion]

Yeh

[static jolt]

the king has arrived

[limber lion]

Just like I said, the gameplay is the same

Doesn't mattet

At all

Sang or not

[balmy condor]

I mean technically the 50% rule disappears, cause 50% doesn't exist

[gilded dune]

FAQ has no questions 😵‍💫. iv build fate bound and wh is death stalker, who wrong?

[balmy condor]

but it ends up being the same

cause the fucking env uptime

is so fucking high

[limber lion]

100% uptime baby

[strong wing]

Do we go elusiveness for kyveza progress? seen lots of people running it

[limber lion]

Also tea and blindside procs providing energy permanently

So you're close to being gcd capped anyways

[balmy condor]

icyveins is deathstalker

?

[novel star]

feint doesn’t work on the lines without it

so ya if u need it

which you will

[strong wing]

k thanks bud

[cursive frost]

do you have to play around the broodtwister trinket at all?

[balmy condor]

not really, no

just lock it if it's roughly equal

[cursive frost]

it is simming crazy high atm

[balmy condor]

cause you don't want to stack it fully in either direction

yeah they changed how it behaves

so it isn't perma stuck at 30 stacks in sims

it's an okay trinket

[limber lion]

Good talk boys

[novel star]

ya but should be under 50% means do shit that would otherwise be bad (non pandemic env) to stay under right ignoring the overtuned uptime cringe

[golden loom]

The first part kinda confuses me, doesnt sang only work above 50% energy?

[limber lion]

Under 50% means you do not actively seek to pool above 50%

That's it

[coral ibex]

you can "pool" to 150 energy to avoid clipping env

that is 50%

[novel star]

checking cus i have legit just been slamming shit to avoid 150 on m+ bosses

[limber lion]

If you can press a button instead of waiting aroung at 50%, then you press it.

[novel star]

ye

[strong wing]

any good weak aura for PI request?

[loud brook]

!rotation

[limber lion]

Yeah but it's bad outside of cds so you avoid it.

[royal lantern]

is "your priest should not give you PI" a weakaura?

[novel star]

sang just isn’t good on ds is the thing

lost energy = lost marks

[coral ibex]

you take sang on an aoe build to path to better talents

[golden loom]

Gotcha

[royal lantern]

no?

you take it cus its strong in aoe, and in aoe its always active

[limber lion]

Not really trie

[novel star]

well idk sang is good dam in aoe cus energy is fake

it’s just shit when energy is real

[coral ibex]

yea but arent we talking about ST since thats the only time youd ever be at or around 150 or lower energy

like boss in m+

[novel star]

ye

[gilded dune]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-easy-mode?area=area_2

caught in 4k

[dawn heath]

crazy

i'm climbing

and i still suck at the class

[balmy condor]

brother that literally says beginners guide

[limber lion]

You literally talked about aoe yourself...

[static jolt]

where is this from on raider.io?

[novel star]

not much to suck at in m+

[dawn heath]

just io score

[static jolt]

ok

[dawn heath]

y

[novel star]

other than scent

u just slam 2 buttons like an ape

[strong wing]

hahahaha why not?

[novel star]

the whole time

[gilded dune]

deathstalker is just ambush change, why would we need a beginner guide. Anyways you gotta things in a guide so you get paid all good. My bad, I hit easy mode thinking it would give me what I was looking for. I found the right page senpai

[dawn heath]

my key level parses were kinda average

but

[strong wing]

is it pi better on mages or enhas?

[dawn heath]

not many people are timing 13s so i guess that makes the pool smaller

[novel star]

ya

[dawn heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WGPdKBM3cra91wQT#fight=79&type=damage-done

[coral ibex]

i'd imagine pi is better on enh but idk

[dawn heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r782jMznNZDpVcqC#fight=69&type=damage-done

[novel star]

if ur just a good wow player in general u can do better keys without autism knowledge on the spec or w.e

but ye

idk

sin has a baby rotation

viber spec

[dawn heath]

its really relaxing to play

i will get sued if i say this here

but its alot easier to play in keys than playing my dh

its not even remarkably close

[novel star]

put 99.9% if ur brain into mechanics and 0.1% brain on spec still gives u full performance

[grim jay]

You can also make a Youtube channel and have m+ andys follow you like a cult thinking you know everything about every spec of your role, just because you spend a lot of time playing and fotm between them all

[static jolt]

thats crazy

[novel star]

ye cus havoc actually kinda hard

[dawn heath]

playing havoc in high keys is extremely challenging

[runic hinge]

I mean half the wow population plays ret or bm. Sin is hard for them lol

[novel star]

i was talking about this recently in here

idk if u were in the convo

[static jolt]

havoc is just student of suffering + inertia tracking

[proven jasper]

Havoc actually has stuff going on for it now

[dawn heath]

to be fair though

[novel star]

but havoc is legit an execution test

like

[proven jasper]

it def isnt the baby rotation it used to be

[dawn heath]

surviving on rogue has proved to be pretty hard too

[grim jay]

No you wont get sued, its alright to be wrong

[dawn heath]

its not as faceroll as i thought it was

[waxen oyster]

also i mean

which good rogues even care for keys

[static jolt]

i will sue him dw

[waxen oyster]

besides casual

and ig zerocool

[novel star]

moving ur camera fast for vengeful and not whiffing the essb is legit hard

[marble hemlock]

That's the beginner/easy mode guide. It recommends Fatebound because it's easier to play then Deathstalker.

[waxen oyster]

One day seli will take back

his #1

if he cares enough

[marble hemlock]

No

[dawn heath]

its just kinda faceroll since you spread your bleeds passively

[grim jay]

There are some, they dont necessarily stream or put in as much time tho

[dawn heath]

by just pressing rupture and garrote

u dont even need to target swap

[waxen oyster]

he played it before it was cool to

[dawn heath]

very relaxing playstyle

[novel star]

🤓 suboptimal

[static jolt]

how is dh hard though only thing you need to watch out is sof/inertia and demonsurges

[novel star]

dh is hard because it has execution

[dawn heath]

its not about the rotation

only

[novel star]

most specs do not have execution in wow

[dawn heath]

its about everything else going on in a high key

[static jolt]

what does execution mean

[novel star]

if you know what to do you know everything

havoc has to know how to do shit

[marble hemlock]

It's just my personal opinion, but I don't particularly enjoy the "new" Assa gameplay.

[novel star]

not just what shit to do

you can know the right button but press it wrong

and have shit performance or die

[static jolt]

thats crazy

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

fair

[static jolt]

i agree but i still think assa is harder

[dawn heath]

havoc requires alot of situational awareness that no other spec in the game has to deal with, because of how they need to do move to do damage

its extremly punishing

[novel star]

i have played sin since forever so some bias i guess but i legit dno how it’s hard

[dawn heath]

u just stand still

and do damage on rogue

dont even swap target

rarely

hit big mob

[novel star]

u keep the 5 ruptures up and then gg slam keyboard win

[copper panther]

As someone who only plays sin when they have to it’s a brain off spec

[static jolt]

yeah havoc is the only class that needs to jump and dash true

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-spit-take-cracking-up-haha-so-funny-omg-gif-17921247

mrw i read that

[grim jay]

On ST ye

[novel star]

which one

[copper panther]

I think it’s fairly afk in keys aswell

[grim jay]

Idk I rarely see any dh really struggling in m+

[dawn heath]

cause no dhs play m+

[marble hemlock]

the "you need a really high IQ to understand how difficult havoc is" stuff

[waxen oyster]

im surprised havoc is 5th most popular spec in raid

[novel star]

i mean

[grim jay]

Ive seen quite some

[dawn heath]

i'm talking 12+

[strange python]

how do you deal with spittle on zekvir? obvs i can cloak one but any more just ticks me down and i die

[waxen oyster]

usually momentum based builds put off the low end players

[novel star]

idk

[dawn heath]

everything else is irrelevant

[grim jay]

Unpopular opinion ig, but its alright

[coral ibex]

sometimes i think to myself man i really fucked up that opener on that pack and i look and i'm still doing 3m dps

[novel star]

i think it’s real tbh

[static jolt]

havoc is actually not fun in m+ tbh i can say after 50 keys

better in raid

[gilded dune]

it's so easy and strong

[coral ibex]

dots and passive cleave are op

[dawn heath]

yes

[grim jay]

Even there ive seen a handfull

[dawn heath]

its alot more fun to raid on havoc

[marble hemlock]

saying you need situational awareness that no other spec needs is massive cope

[novel star]

i don’t really think it is

[dawn heath]

it absolutely is true

how is it not true

[waxen oyster]

generally its less popular when you have to felrush for dps

[novel star]

you can want to fel rush for giga dam and then completely kill yourself or your team by baiting something bad

sin thinks about rotation and movement, and they’re separate things

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile sub and outlaw have less players than survival

[novel star]

havoc does not get the pleasure of separating them

it’s still kinda easy cause it’s wow

but it’s not as easy as sin imo

[woven shore]

Zerocool that crazy fucker did a +15 or 14 what was is

[marble hemlock]

every melee spec needs situatinal awareness based on their position, predicting upcoming mechanics, and combining those 2 pieces of info with their ability to avoid said damage via defensives, movement etc. being a DH doesnt change that anymore than the difference between a dk who just tanks shit or a warrior who leaps out and charges back in does. you just have a slightly different toolkit/reaction to how you deal with said situation

[woven shore]

☠️

[dawn heath]

u are just wrong

[marble hemlock]

so, which situation does DH have to predict that no other melee needs to?

[woven shore]

Travis scoot would say

[limber lion]

Funnily enough, I don't think the apl has any mention of the 50% rule whatsoever even for Sang. It just maximizes Envenom uptime, sometimes the energy goes over 50% and sometimes it stays below it.

[woven shore]

Feeinnt feeeinnt feeeinntt

[limber lion]

You just press Envenom if it's not up

[woven shore]

[limber lion]

Energy doesn't even matter

[novel star]

i mean it’s not about different situations coming up it’s just you have to respect them differently

[grim jay]

I like you seli

[novel star]

since your core movement spells are also required for dps

[marble hemlock]

so, exactly what i said?

[novel star]

[soft shale]

yea only place where energy matters is using tea

to not krangle value

[tacit otter]

if multidotting would come back, would this change?

[novel star]

but every other spec in the entire game doesn’t have to think about them the way havoc does

[limber lion]

Whether or not they will kill the entire raid team by felrushing through them during a mechanic

[marble hemlock]

i am pretty likeable, so i cant blame you

[novel star]

it’s just a different mindset which inherently makes it harder since it’s a unique skill

not hard but hard er

[dawn heath]

Frontals, swirleys, all kinds of ground effects, projectiles you spend alot of time beeing animation locked on the class, in eye beam, Felblade teleports you to the target, The hunt Animation lock, Backflipping & felrushing without Pulling packs that you are fighting or getting hit by any mechanic

[marble hemlock]

and they have to think about them differently than DH does. thats kind of the nature of having different kits.

[woven shore]

?? Whats the topic

Yea dh are mobile fuckers

[novel star]

i don’t think that’s really the point

[grim jay]

Must be because you are german, everyone knows they are friendly and likeable

[limber lion]

Based.

[woven shore]

Whhhaatt

Since bfa this is the best assa for sure

For me atleast

[limber lion]

Negative

[woven shore]

Not annoying as fuck to play at all

[limber lion]

Each to their own

[woven shore]

Now outlaw is

[grim jay]

I like both shadowlands sin and the current sin

[waxen oyster]

Watching dhs dash out of melee range

is fucking funny though

[marble hemlock]

okay and? we have WW monks with fof being locked into low movespeed, fdks with breath that require uptime that doesnt just allow them to walk away from mobs, we have killingspree on outlaw, trickster coup proc that locks you in place, feral has to worry about accidentally charging their target when skullbashing.

sorry to break your bubble, but DH aint that special.

[coral ibex]

people say df s3 was peak

i didnt play back then

so idk why they say that

[tacit otter]

Deathspike > rest tbh

[dawn heath]

LOL

you can't be serious

[grim jay]

Its the same as now

[marble hemlock]

its just different

[limber lion]

Df s3? Eh

More like SL s3

[dawn heath]

you must be sarcastic

[marble hemlock]

but predicting their own movement in order to avoid getting hit by shit isnt a DH unique awareness requirement

[dawn heath]

how u can even make those comparison is beyond me

"skull bash"

[grim jay]

I dont even remember which SL season it was, but sin did feel pretty good

[novel star]

i think the idea is that being forced to use movement spells during the rotation makes you accidentally bait frontals and swirls and shit weirdly or pause ur rotation to do so normally

[grim jay]

He is right

[waxen oyster]

i think necrolord sin was the most fun

[novel star]

at least that was my idea

[waxen oyster]

personally

[novel star]

idunno

[marble hemlock]

even sub rogue still has to worry about accidentally ambush shadowstepping on bosses with massive hitboxes

[dawn heath]

i am confident u have never touched havoc in any high key

[grim jay]

It was alright, I was a venthyr enjoyer personally

[vestal wren]

coup charges you to the target if you move out of melee

[dawn heath]

or u would never have this opinion

[waxen oyster]

flag was a sub spell

[vestal wren]

also sub wants to be in melee for sht stacks and the enrgy proc from them

[novel star]

trickster is so stupid lmfao

[marble hemlock]

yup

[subtle tundra]

guys i have the verdict on m+ pushing

[vestal wren]

its funny on queen

if you move out of poison

[waxen oyster]

play ranged dps

[vestal wren]

then chu chu back in the middle of it

[waxen oyster]

payphone your way to title

[grim jay]

At some point you played it on sin aswell. Im still kinda said about the wasted potential on sepsis tho

[blazing jewel]

Bring back sepsis

[subtle tundra]

it fucking sucks

[vestal wren]

"here comes the cheat death train"

[dawn heath]

always crazy to me how people have such strong opinions when they never played the spec

[waxen oyster]

because ranged do 0 mechanics

ever

[subtle tundra]

its not about mechanics

its about everything being a 1 shot

i got 100 to 0'd by a fox in mists

[simple violet]

so come 11.0.5 we are losing thistle tea, echo rep and snd buttons ya?

[subtle tundra]

😦

[grim jay]

Idk why you think noone but you played it

[marble hemlock]

yeah, i guess people can only have an opinion on things when they actually experienced it, not when they've played/talked with people who have done so and thus formed that opinion. my bad.

[vestal wren]

some melee specs allow for more downtime by having ranged attacks, think thats the only real differenciation between melees

[novel star]

when was m+ not everything oneshotting

tbf

[subtle tundra]

shadowlands

[dawn heath]

yeah u should play it before commenting you are basing it off of just air

[waxen oyster]

yeah borinng imo

[novel star]

fair enough didn’t really play sl much

[subtle tundra]

some things were 1 shotting, ofc
but not absolutely everything

[dawn heath]

i am not prettending to know everything about other classes

[marble hemlock]

well theres a lot of differences imo. some melee have to actually run out of melee on x mechanic, others dont due to defensive use, or having movement as part of their DPS kit that allows them to avoid the mechanics while maintaining 100% DPS etc

[waxen oyster]

necrolord was only slightly worse than venthyr sin on st in s1

while much better 2t+

[subtle tundra]

rn if i dont feint every mechanic, i die
in sl i didnt ever consider elusiveness

[vestal wren]

"ohters don't", haha one way to discribe dk

[marble hemlock]

i mean, rogue can avoid a bunch of shit with evasion

[vestal wren]

but yes, ofc

[marble hemlock]

DH used to be able to do the same with bladedance when it still gave dodge

wait

i never played DH

how can i know that

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[marble hemlock]

and have an opinion on that

sorry

[waxen oyster]

bfa dh was

[vestal wren]

killing spree to avoid damage

[waxen oyster]

beyond brainless

[subtle tundra]

easy. it was very abused

[dawn heath]

yeah that makes sense

[vestal wren]

#tricksterissafed

[dawn heath]

u base your opinion on bfa dh

when the class had 2 buttons and didnt use felrush for damage

[marble hemlock]

yeah, thats why i used the past tense of the word "use"

cause i think its 2018

[subtle tundra]

tol dagor last boss was timed based on whether the dh dodged the mechanic

[waxen oyster]

hey you used felrush for dam

for the first 2 weeks

before they yeeted unbound chaos azerite

into the abyss

[split grail]

bubbling wax still only works on one hand, right?

[vestal wren]

rogue can also just cloak of shadows...
if it works

[novel star]

i believe so

[grim jay]

He didnt believe me when I said other DHs dont seem to struggle either, so theres that

[vestal wren]

the recycle dungeons are always fun to test out, what cos works on

[waxen oyster]

dk ams

[marble hemlock]

i think your problem is that you think im saying that DH isnt difficult to play. it definitely is. but saying it has some "unique requirement" that no other melee spec or any spec has to even think about, is just ludicrous

[dawn heath]

wtf is that supposed to mean and who said im struggling

i have 3x 0.1% titles on havoc

i am famed slayer raider

i also have m+ title on other specs

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/dankwanks-artin-evan-whoasked-gif-18782269

[dawn heath]

i am more qualified to talk than someone who is just 2"i saw a dh in key"

[blazing jewel]

this is such good content

[dawn heath]

he was ok"

[past panther]

https://tenor.com/view/car-fnf-gif-3801223415668524431

[static jolt]

i only switched from dh to assa because the dh tier set looks giga balls

[grim jay]

Noone but yourself talks about you personally

[dawn heath]

where are your credentials that u can actually play the game otherwise i will just dismiss you all together

[runic hinge]

I’ve never seen a dh in a key. I don’t invite them

[waxen oyster]

the set bonus is nice

[dawn heath]

that is sound advice

[grim jay]

And noone said they just saw them either

[novel star]

i’m on the side of dh not always having freedom of movement makes it rly awkward sometimes but i am also just 🍿ing the rest of this

idk wtf going on

[static jolt]

i only care about mogging people

[marble hemlock]

i mean i wouldnt be surprised if DHs are struggling, cuz pmuch any non-dk melee is struggling this season. i just find it hilarious when somebody claims their spec needs some super special high IQ tier understanding of the game that NO ONE ELSE needs, cause thats just funny af

[dawn heath]

you clearly don't read

[novel star]

that’s funny cus the sin tier set is fully passive and (was) pretty terrible

[dawn heath]

i said havoc is difficult for other reasons than their rotation

[waxen oyster]

use old sets

[novel star]

it’s good now but it was trash

havoc one at least has gameplay

adds a proc or whatever

dno what the % gain is tho

[waxen oyster]

like

[grim jay]

Well with not struggling I only meant it as in any more than other classes do, our dh said its pretty fine and fun even, not overly hard to manage

[waxen oyster]

8% iirc?

it was pretty strong

[marble hemlock]

anyone who knows how to read explain to me what this says please https://i.imgur.com/6nvqmZO.jpeg

i thought it said DH needs smth no other class needs

[static jolt]

legion or what

[marble hemlock]

but apparently im wrong

[waxen oyster]

legion elite

superior mogging is cata elite

though

[static jolt]

you need to know wherer you are vengeful retreating to

[runic hinge]

you can't know unless you're r1 dh, you'd never know

[thorn thorn]

Havoc is easy (I played it a little in shadowlands)

[marble hemlock]

i played DH for time trials in legion

does that count?

[blazing jewel]

My emuffin mains havoc does that count

[static jolt]

i played dh in overwatch (genji illidan skin) does it count?

[limber lion]

I used to tank with DH in BFA and Legion

Was very fun

[marble hemlock]

tbf, sometimes i mix cough sirup with a decent single malt, i think at the peak of both of those hitting i have about the same cognitive ability as the regular DH player

so i think im pretty qualified

[limber lion]

Only tank I've ever played

[runic hinge]

I played dh tank in mop remix

so i feel like I'm qualified

[static jolt]

why hate on dh players XD

[strange python]

how do you deal with spittle on zekvir? obvs i can cloak one but any more just ticks me down and i die

[grim jay]

Respectable ngl

[marble hemlock]

[limber lion]

Bring back blood dk that pulls the entire world in to a single pixel

[novel star]

it’s more important to be aware of shit cus ur movement spells are pretty committal and also part of the rotation where any other spec just has full freedom to walk the whole time or only uses movement stuff for movement

[thorn thorn]

Peak havoc for me was falling asleep during raid and letting brand fall off 💀

[novel star]

is the idea i think

[runic hinge]

ask brann to dispel

[novel star]

obv mechanics are mechanics and u need to have awareness on everyone

[sacred schooner]

you let brann dispel first, cloak\vanish second-third, brann again etc

[novel star]

it’s just a lot easier to grief on havoc

[waxen oyster]

i plated ret pally in mop remix

[ancient pendant]

guys do you have rogue bugs document? where can i see it if it exists?

[marble hemlock]

tell me how a frost dk casting breath isnt committing to not moving out of DPS range in order to optimize DPS, thus requiring a certain level of prediction to not die to shit?

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

its just as braindead as retail ret

[novel star]

don’t disagree at all

[heavy canopy]

Came for assassination discussion, stayed for braindead classism

[lapis mirage]

How important is stealth for keys

[grim jay]

The real question is if classic ret is more or less braindead

[marble hemlock]

part of the rotation where any other spec just has full freedom to walk the whole time or only uses movement stuff for movement
so youre agreeing that other classes also dont have full freedom to walk the whole time?

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[static jolt]

respect

[novel star]

the idea was not about uptime

tho

it’s like

dance mechanics and shit

[marble hemlock]

thats just a different flavor of "not being able to move freely"

[novel star]

you will legit just fall over and die if u do ur rotation normally

at a bad time

on havoc

[static jolt]

true

[waxen oyster]

tbh havoc isnt even in the running

for easiest melee for me

when all 3 plate classes exist

[marble hemlock]

oh for sure

[static jolt]

which is it? i only played sub and havoc

[marble hemlock]

i mean ret is kinda dog

[sacred schooner]

retri easiest

[marble hemlock]

defensively/mobility wise

[grim jay]

Why hate on unholy

[marble hemlock]

compared to warr/dk

[novel star]

other specs can get fucked on damage by doing shit at bad times or whatev

but the movement commitment on havoc

is legit just perma suicide pov

[prime flame]

I said rogue was easy like a week ago and I look again and this conversation is still going

[novel star]

if u aren’t locked in

as hell

[raven egret]

Ret is a 20y range "melee" inching ever closer to 100% uptime on Wings -_-

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[novel star]

Ye

[waxen oyster]

ret defensives are ok

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/VFKtLKL

[waxen oyster]

they just dont have better cloak

[grim jay]

You just said something objectively wrong, but this discussion is about a bigger topic

[waxen oyster]

and autowall

[heavy canopy]

Does the debuff reapply leniency mechanic also apply to improved garrote from stealth? I forget what the frame is called…

[novel star]

banger

[marble hemlock]

like, i hate momentum. i think its a completely dumb gameplay style. but its part of the spec, and yeah, obviously you gotta deal with it well. other classes have other considerations that DH doesnt have, that they have to worry about and incorporate into their moment-to-moment decisionmaking process

[grim jay]

You mean pandemic ig

[heavy canopy]

Yes!

[grim jay]

And you lose the improved garrote damage

[waxen oyster]

dont have to press wings

[grim jay]

If you pandemic refresh

[waxen oyster]

it just triggers

[heavy canopy]

If I apply it from stealth then Ambush and reapply

[grim jay]

Thats fine, as long as you still have improved garrote up

[balmy condor]

https://imgur.com/hYeI19O

[marble hemlock]

any uptime slave spec would prefer the DH gameplay, for example

[marble hemlock]

typical DH player tbh

[dawn heath]

that guy is a chad

[waxen oyster]

i mean dhs have an uptime slave hero tree

[limber lion]

Hunt is such a sick ability

[dawn heath]

tank issues tbh

[grim jay]

See thats the hard thing they need to deal with

[waxen oyster]

that they dont play for that reason

[novel star]

it rly is

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[novel star]

vengeful > hunt is my fav shit in the game

[marble hemlock]

hard considerations as a DH

[novel star]

idk if it’s even good ever

[marble hemlock]

how to incorporate movement into DPS

[novel star]

but i do it

cus it’s cool

[waxen oyster]

precasting hunt is a literal hazard

[marble hemlock]

but i never played DH, so i dont know if casting the hunt into a pack the tank didnt pull yet is a good or bad choice

[waxen oyster]

unless you know your tank is a gigachad

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/141159333273665537/1232989621290401813/test23456.gif

[marble hemlock]

need to push some +12s on DH before i can form an opinion

[novel star]

[dawn heath]

you can have a opinion but its based on absolutely nothing

[marble hemlock]

all-time banger

[balmy condor]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b167ae9e6c1ae7f6ad118723925160cd1b8065df27&rid=giphy.mp4&ct=g

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/740GnOW

[waxen oyster]

ngl

dh on sennarth is an adventure

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

As someone who clearly never played dh, i think he was trying to get that "Momentum" going, which dh seemingly had at some point

[waxen oyster]

sometimes your dash flings you 80ydd

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/uayJqzl

This one is my fav of all time

[waxen oyster]

i also like vdh players who infernal strike into a pack

[grim jay]

Thats glorious

[waxen oyster]

and sync up all their melees

with no spikes or anything up

[marble hemlock]

you do realize that you dont need to experience things yourself to have an opinion on something, right? its called critical thinking.

[novel star]

me

in df

[dawn heath]

💀

[novel star]

when i played vdh a bit

[blazing jewel]

You don’t get it he has m+ titles

[novel star]

[marble hemlock]

3 even

so you better apologize

[blazing jewel]

[waxen oyster]

the seli sebek double rogue

[grim jay]

That happened to me once

[waxen oyster]

highest overall world

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

I honestly didnt expect anything else, it turned into m+ andy behaviour rq

[balmy condor]

link wcl dungeon page logs only dps comparison no aug 12+ only

[waxen oyster]

scales last resort player

[balmy condor]

we'll see who has the bigger cock

[grim jay]

Probably 100% dorki stream uptime aswell

[marble hemlock]

only thing that truly matters is wowprogress simdps, dont @ me

[coral ibex]

i love getting a trinket from ara kara that isn't the sac

[balmy condor]

true

[coral ibex]

[static jolt]

does anyone have wrathstone + skardyn?

[novel star]

is wowprogress still useful for anything other than like

[marble hemlock]

no

[novel star]

amount of guilds to kill a boss

[marble hemlock]

its not useful for anything

[balmy condor]

why would you equip both

[grim jay]

I forgot thats even a thing

[novel star]

ok bet

[static jolt]

insane damage

[marble hemlock]

wowprogress doesnt track CN servers so

it was never useful for that

[novel star]

oh double bet

why is that site still like in existence then

[balmy condor]

pog

[marble hemlock]

cuz people still keep using it

[novel star]

does it track anything at all you cant see elsewhere

[soft shale]

ad revenue for free

[marble hemlock]

even though theres better alternatives for anything wowprogress does

[static jolt]

or is it unique?

[novel star]

surely guild member join/quit history

is wowprogress

[balmy condor]

is what unique