assassination

[bleak spoke]

i don't resent it at all

like

when it's literally 2 button frozen orb blizzard on aoe, and icy veins forstbolt on single

i think it should never ever be good

but like when you have all the frost actives and cone of cold reset

i think it deserves to own

it's so cool

[rotund oak]

ah ye

yup

mage doesnt rly care about talents alot btw some major nodes and thats it

[worldly sail]

mage never deserves it

[rotund oak]

stupid class is overtuned

[bleak spoke]

it's like how like most ppl now are like okay sin deserves to own, is what i hear from most people

cuz like they see the general flow of it and they're like wow thats cool

same with like shadowburn destro

[rotund oak]

also if u have mandate

[bleak spoke]

etcetc

[rotund oak]

u pretty much destroy even pack

[bleak spoke]

is mandate bugged

to be crazy

[rotund oak]

idk,mine crits for like 18mil

😂

[grim jay]

You didnt hear that in the sub channel

[bleak spoke]

imagine if you were playing subtlety

FOR SURE it was supposed to be whitelisted for lingering darkness

💀

[grim jay]

Mandate aint really good in m+ tho

[bleak spoke]

i think it's like

good in scenarios

take necrotic wake

like

it is SO good on stitch flesh right

[rotund oak]

its the king of prio dmg,higher keys want some snippin'

[bleak spoke]

cuz like you use it to make sure you never have 2 adds up

etc

cuz at some point you won't be 1phasing

[rotund oak]

i literally melt them mfkers with 1 button

[bleak spoke]

dude you should have seen my play on stitchflesh

i was a bit durdly right so my kingsbane was later than i wanted

like my setup was slow cuz i use echoing like an idiot

was what really happendd

[grim jay]

Sin itself has prio damage and if you have like heroic knife, it sims the same or better in St

[bleak spoke]

and i was like i need this guy to stay down longer than usual

[grim jay]

And better in aoe

[bleak spoke]

and then he picked me for the hook

and i was like OH SHIT

so i vanished insta

[rotund oak]

im talking about frost mage though

[grim jay]

Oh, fuck mage

[bleak spoke]

so when you vanish the hook it sends insta

and so like, it shot before the fixate started

so we got the whole fixate

[rotund oak]

wicked

[bleak spoke]

that's why that was 51 second boss fight

we got whole ass everythings into it

[grim jay]

Also isnt the Web trinket way better on mage

[bleak spoke]

i think we forgot to spear it

you use spymasters like you used razor coral in a raid fight

[rotund oak]

spymaster and mandate ye

[bleak spoke]

you hold for when it's fully stacked

and then you send it with big cds

[grim jay]

Ew double on use on a caster

[bleak spoke]

i can't believe spymasters is actually just better razor coral

cuz it's not a debuff

and it's locked to casters

when transmitter can be used on anyone

[rotund oak]

u dont know dem ways bruh,prio needs cookin'

[bleak spoke]

i mean it's really really not problematic on mage

[rotund oak]

yup

[bleak spoke]

to be fair i think razor coral is still cooler cuz 100% crit is just cooler

but the stack application was always like

annoying

[grim jay]

Im always happy if people have less prio, because they dont destroy my DM

[bleak spoke]

then again that trinket was so insanely tuned that you just sent it on cd in m+ as outlaw to get 1-3 stacks

and like

it was still the best

[grim jay]

Im usually playing with a fury aswell tho, guy has lots of prio already and if you add mine on top..

[bleak spoke]

"a lot of prio" for fury

is a crazy statement

[rotund oak]

frost mage most likely has better ST than sin fully geared,even now

[bleak spoke]

i think if you have a rupture target that isn't stacked

funnily enough

so you can't splitting off it

hahaha, it's so bfa coded

[grim jay]

Well he just cleaves off of the main target ive been told

[bleak spoke]

if you have a queens court situation

[bleak spoke]

that's like saying outlaw has a lot of prio becaus eyou attack one guy

[grim jay]

But fury had really good ST

[bleak spoke]

their whirlwind with meat cleaver makes their next 4 abilities flurry

basically

and then bladestorm is aoe, odyns is aoe, thunderous roar is aoe

that is so kap it's insane

like i think people should like

just talk about specs in terms of like

the ratio of dmg to main target to dmg cleaved

i.e. our cleave ratio is like slightly better than the ratio of how much caustic transfers

because we bleed eveyrthing and the bleeds are kinda agnostic

but then we have prio with crimson tempest a bit

etc

and with deathmark

[grim jay]

Idk if a class has good St and deals 100% of their damage to the main target with lower % to the others, it by default should have good prio damage

[bleak spoke]

okay so like to me like

it's relative right

if most classes are 2:1 classes

i.e. you do twice as much to main as to cleave

then like good prio would be 3:1

bad prio would be like 1.5:1

etc

so like when we deathmark we have good prio, because shiv doesn't affect the kingsbane spatter, we have good prio

etc

if you look at the other war spec

arms

if they're not playing warbreaker and they're playing colossus smash

colossus smash is basically vendetta

thas some gooood prio

etc

good prio doesn't necessarily mean it's good in general

i think it's just like, useful for different things if that makes sense

[marble hemlock]

wtf is going on in here

[bleak spoke]

like being able to even cleave stuff and do a ton of sustained dmg is a useful profile in key (think ele shaman right now, they have like no prio, and it's like, their dmg is a flat line but they were until recently i guess tuned super high)

hello seli

i don't think i'm saying anything controversial

[marble hemlock]

who let this guy monologue

[bleak spoke]

[rotund oak]

u coming uninvited!

shoo

[bleak spoke]

hey seli if you monologue about funnel right now i bet it will do long range psychic dmg to whispyr

even if he doesn't see it

[marble hemlock]

u wot now?

[bleak spoke]

he will feel it

[rotund oak]

im joking ofc

[marble hemlock]

good boy

[rotund oak]

u owe me an octoberfest

[marble hemlock]

anyway

i was just surprised to see

entire page from the same person

i aint reading all that

but im happy for you

or sorry that happened

[rotund oak]

😂

[bleak spoke]

tldr i'm trying to explain that fury warriors saying they have great prio dmg is crazy

when all their shit mongo cleaves

[marble hemlock]

warrior talk

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-tired-cute-fall-gif-17673985

[bleak spoke]

seli are you playing key this tier

[marble hemlock]

i am in fact not, no

[bleak spoke]

madge

[marble hemlock]

i think i have come to the decision that with how theyre doing m+ these last few seasons

they can suck my nuts

[rotund oak]

[bleak spoke]

how am i supposed to win arguments with video evidence now

[marble hemlock]

thats amateur hour

win your arguments by making shit up

or citing bad evidence

[bleak spoke]

you must have me confused with a friendly boomkin player

[marble hemlock]

bold statement > weak evidence

[bleak spoke]

[marble hemlock]

but nah seriously

i dont hate myself enough to play m+ as a melee that isnt fdk which for some reason is as tanky as an actual tank

[bleak spoke]

i just don't understand

what is this like chip on their shoulder

where they're like

everyone says these dungeons are historically terrible

we'll show them

and it's like

they showed us

and they're terrible

i honestly think, tuning aside, now that the curses are nerfed, somehow it's wrapped around so that grim batol feels like the fairest dungeon in the set

[rotund oak]

are u playing at all btw

i cant track u

[bleak spoke]

everything else is like do you like dots that tick for 80% of your hp on application and then 50% per second after? no? i bet you like fast casting grey cast shoots? no? how about every mob drops 20 yd radius puddles and then starts casting in them? don't like that either? too bad, all three at once, everywhere, all the time

[bleak spoke]

selis' raiding i think

he was mad about ovinax a week or two ago

[rotund oak]

he doesnt stream,so i had to cope following others streamers

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/4BrXRuz.jpeg

someone explain to me

how this is legal

[rotund oak]

its not

[marble hemlock]

on top of having AMS+IBF+deathstrike

[rotund oak]

DK expansion

they are even worse in arena

like unstoppable juggernauts that u cant kill

[marble hemlock]

casual ~20% magic aoe DR permanently

[marble hemlock]

i raid

[rotund oak]

their dmg is even scarier than this shit btw

[rotund oak]

did u switch guild

[bleak spoke]

chillstreak 1shot still works, on top of all that shit

[rotund oak]

nvm ill find u

[marble hemlock]

old guild disbanded afer fyrakk

so ye

still on TN tho

[rotund oak]

HUH!

that makes sense

[marble hemlock]

but ye idk

m+ unplayable as melee, dont @ me

you gotta have a specila hatred for yourself to do that willingly

unless you play a class that can just ignore half the melee mechanics

[round wasp]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[sharp lily]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[open dirge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lyric basin]

Hey fellow rogues, to get the most accurate sim on raidbots for assassination in mythic +, sim settings do you use?

[real garden]

Hey, is it allowed to ask for help/guidance through a log here?

[fading hearth]

I use for dungeon slice, not entirely sure if it's the best, but it sounds to me like the only thing we have

[pure moth]

Yes. Post a log and someone will make a thread for you. It's also 530 est so not sure who's around now to help at this hour.

[rotund marsh]

How is haste on assa

What’s it benefiting besides the obvious energy regeneration

I’m going crit haste as a way to benefit all classes

[grizzled fulcrum]

How big is the dps increase with scardyns on big packs ?

[royal lantern]

i love it

green puddles on brown red ground btw

red-green weakness btw

thanks blizzard

[lament stump]

try to understand what your looking at in wow challenge

[real garden]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YfTaH6nKWBb7Pk8Q#fight=18&type=damage-done any feedback is greatly appreciated, i'm unsure how/what i do wrong to get the last amount of DPS

[subtle tundra]

all i read here is skill issue

i did @ you

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-annoyed-irritated-tantrum-gif-13045775

[subtle tundra]

sowwy 😦

[marble hemlock]

gonna have to punish you for that later

[undone eagle]

guys for wep embellishement its ascension bis right??

[normal mist]

Depends

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[undone eagle]

for emb when i wanna buy darkmoon sigil q1 2 3 is the same stats but just different proc chance for quality craft?

i bought all mats and missive q3

[normal mist]

Quality being better = easier for the crafter

[tall atlas]

Blizz has honestly done a great job with the balancing this patch for the most part tbh

Between classes but esp between the rogue specs

[vivid tundra]

am i simming wrong?
i get 780k from simming, on dummy i get around 880k
does raidbots count for downtimes or something?

[blazing plaza]

hey. what should i craft as 3rd crafted item..i have dagger and belt both with embelishments....ring or wrist ?

[normal mist]

Just sim and check which would be a bigger gain

[blazing plaza]

oh. hi royal ❤️

[normal mist]

Are you simming with raid buffs selected and such?

[normal mist]

Hi monster, hope you're doing alright my man

[vivid tundra]

think not, even if i was then sim should be higher than my practice on a dummy for 5 minutes haha

[normal mist]

Are you simming patchwerk?

[vivid tundra]

yah

yup no buffs no nothing

80% uptime of dawnthread

[normal mist]

Should be 100

[vivid tundra]

oooooooo

YE

hahaha

[normal mist]

Idk if those 20% would make the 100k difference

But it would help close the gap a little

[vivid tundra]

checking rn

[tropic tundra]

Is there any special reason why cloak isn't on the list with this? Gem socket availability?

[normal mist]

I want to say because of the raid cloak

The super rare one

Tho I'm not giving this answer with 100% certainty

Both neck and back from raid are REALLY good, compared to other options

[wild hound]

I give up trying to pug my god

r-shammy has done NW+11, then fucks up affix and poison dispel on +10

Like even with all this data

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[wild hound]

people are just idiots

haha i mean t.t

waited like 15 min to make sure I found ppl who had completed it at or above 10

still they fuck up what should be obvious to them given theyve done this

hunter with 3k rio DF promised he would top dps on ST, came in last on ST

like??

sorry, rant over haha

[normal mist]

3k Rio in DF was like... Easy to get

Do all 10 in time in both difficulties and boom 3k

[wild hound]

oh really? thats good to know

btw Ive got the whispyr plater profile, and the health bars are green for spatter target and orange with both spatter and mark, but the mark without spatter isnt purple. Its a minor thing, but does anyone by chance know how I can add that?

[subtle tundra]

scores dont translate season to season

[late tusk]

HellO! How doables are delves solo t8 with 580 ilvl?

As range are easy to kite... but as mele with no bl not sure how it can works

[spring moat]

CT kite=easy

morning all.

[cobalt sphinx]

3k was not easy s1

3.3k was title..

[late tusk]

what is ct?

[spring moat]

crimson tempest

[late tusk]

will trust you

[late tusk]

guiess its full dot and run

with brand healing

[spring moat]

gotta do what you gotta do

you cant tank

[late tusk]

well i dont know why having 2 hands cant take a shield

[royal lantern]

warlocks have no right to speak up

with the shit they are pulling every single patch

cant wait for warlocks to "suddenly find" a 15% dmg increase again

[subtle tundra]

i really feel another spatter nerf incoming

[royal lantern]

nerf spatter, buff bleeds

thank you

[subtle tundra]

no buffs

just straight spatter nerf

[violet hemlock]

Cant mutilate with a shield.

[royal lantern]

lmao hell no

FIRST they do a 4% aura nerf

then they nerf envenom by 10%

and THEN they nerf spatter by 5%

varas, you play wow enough to know blizzard

[subtle tundra]

i didnt think this through blizzards eyes...

i just said what i would do

[buoyant pilot]

Sin having fun in M+? Disgusting

Nerf it

[subtle tundra]

its not about fun

its about my numbers

LOL

[royal lantern]

spatter does too much dmg

[subtle tundra]

but if assa gets nerfed so should fdk

[royal lantern]

bro, they could nerf 20 things on DK

class is just disgusting rn

not just on dmg

[subtle tundra]

when are we getting next patch sims

gragrh?

[tardy knoll]

Do we have a list with what abilities we can tank with evasion/clock this season?

[royal lantern]

no

[tawny geyser]

I had a 95 yesterday on Mythic Sikran...why did it go down by 1?

[orchid cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawny geyser]

weird... never had this happen before.

[late tusk]

which plater you recommend?

To start

[noble pollen]

Buff rogue

[grim jay]

you can just go outlaw trickster or sub trickster and you should have an easy time

for delves

[sharp viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

because it wasnt locked in

[real garden]

Hey, i was wondering if there was a kind experienced assa rogue that could help me with trying to understand what i'm doing wrong (looking at ilvl parse). Any feedback is greatly appreciated https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YfTaH6nKWBb7Pk8Q#fight=last&type=damage-done

[grim jay]

it only locks in after some time, until then people can still knock you down a bit

[late tusk]

Ye, i read the message, I meant here are multiples there, got snese start with one more simpel?

[tawny geyser]

ah got it...damn 😦
it was my first orange one on Mythic.

[late tusk]

Whole dungeon as outlat/trick? or moving last boss?

[grim jay]

im pretty sure you will get more in the future, you are on a good way

[grim jay]

whole dungeon

because you can talent into 1h tricks

and just let heal brann tank

[tawny geyser]

Unless I die when boss is 15% 😂
Like last week 🥲

[grim jay]

happens to the best I'd say

[late tusk]

perfe! will give it a try now, got 4 keys

[lusty crag]

what did they nerf on iron wire on beta ?

[sharp viper]

rogues are not meant to be useful - design oversight to give them some sort of utility for others

[tall atlas]

wjats the crafting thing called that doubles the stats on the weapon

[sharp viper]

writhing armor binding

[novel star]

[daring hamlet]

kinda surprised how much haste sims want me to get, before it was wanting me to get ~10% and now its wanting me to get ~15%

[novel star]

stats are fake news

dont look at them

but yeah

idk

any stat can be good

depends on a lot of things

[novel star]

just -1s duration i think

unless there are new changes

[lusty crag]

yeah from 6 to 5 sec silence

[daring hamlet]

nah vers doesn't seem great, you're right about the other three though, all are fine

[novel star]

vers is generally the worst but it’s still fine

[daring hamlet]

well I have gear without vers

sim wants me to just run that evrey time over the vers gear

[royal lantern]

vers is so bad that my sims tell me to gem/enchant verss

[late tusk]

I dont see the talent on the delve build

[daring hamlet]

yeah, it will depend on a lot of things

differetn chars will prob be recommended diff things by sims

[lost bane]

Guys i am feeling pretty bad at Rouge. How do u memorize the rotations and pressing the correct buttons ?

[novel star]

hit training dummies

they’re free!

[blazing pumice]

just play the game

anyone doing anything less than a 7 key at the moment is also equally clueless

[daring hamlet]

but honestly, i wouldn't be too confused about it - it's kinda what the other guy said, for your char vers might be just fine. But no reason not to gem vers if it's tellign you to

[novel star]

read guide -> hit dummy -> read guide again -> hit dummy

hit dummy while reading guide perhaps

truly the world is your oyster

but the oyster is a training dummy

and you must hit it

to get good at game

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-scarab-assyst-gif-9837798423909404507

[tawdry sedge]

when do they nerf assa so i can play the new diablo expansion?

[novel star]

ew d4

[tawdry sedge]

ew oli

[novel star]

aw okay :(

[tawdry sedge]

D4 is actually decent for a blizzard game

at least since last season

[novel star]

dno i played like beta or whatever and thought it was kinda mid and gave up

if i ever want to play an arpg i’d just go full autism and play poe again

same shit but better and free

[tawdry sedge]

i will play poe2 when it comes out for sure

[sharp viper]

hit on guide writer

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[novel star]

don’t do that

[sharp viper]

@balmy condorlooking mighty fine today

[sharp viper]

too late, I just did

[novel star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[dense delta]

guys, what WA or w/e do you use for applying poisons? Clicking 4 poisons sucks a bit 😄 thaaaanks!

[brave stump]

Hit the autoplay button

[dense delta]

What's that?

[violet hemlock]

U could do /castsequence Amplify Poison, Deadly Poison, Atrophic Poison, Crippling Poison

Or smth similar. Would still need to press the same button 4x

[dense delta]

Oh, perfect. That's way better. Thank you so much!

[fierce bison]

can someone give me a rough idea of the dmg breakdown for m+ pls?

[daring hamlet]

seems about right - as you go up in key level id expect crimson tempest to be more of your overall

[teal forge]

Hey guys, hope this is the right place to ask, but what gear slots are best for the embellishments?

is it wrist and belt?

[brittle quail]

yes with bis gear, you can craft and/or embellish the weapon wich is also good

[teal forge]

thank you

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

wrists/boots/belt are amazing contenders for it

Even back if you want

[spring moat]

I did crafted neck. I still had veteran neck three heroic clears and vaults later.

[normal mist]

Yeah i did too

neck/ring/boots/belt

had a shitty one and i doubt ill ever get the super rare neck from raid

[spring moat]

Belt bracers neck

Ansurek tonight again. Maybe three shields won’t drop again 😂

[normal mist]

LOL

[spring moat]

🤨 our first h kill we were all big mad. Nothing but shields and nothing rare

[warm vortex]

Question if I manage to get 2 enchanted crests worth of gilded crests and still have gear pieces at champion. Would it be a good shout to just craft some 636 pieces

[blazing pumice]

yes

with embellishments

or the dagger

[warm vortex]

If I already have 2 636 embellishments tho

[blazing pumice]

make the dagger

[warm vortex]

And my belt and head is lower than my dagger

[blazing pumice]

belt and head are worth less than dagger

[warm vortex]

Aight fairs

[blazing pumice]

sim it, but dagger is biggest contributor to dps

[warm vortex]

I’ll sim to double check later

Yeye

I know it’s a silly question to ask like things I can sim so I apologise

I was moreso asking if I don’t need to upgrade anything if it would be a good shout to
Craft gear which it seems so

[blazing pumice]

i would probably be upgrading trinkets

[balmy prism]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

And hey, if I get a 2nd dagger that’s one more item I never have to enchant again. so I’ll be able to get max enchant and be happy knowing I won’t replace it until next season

[blazing pumice]

the crafts are very expensive and chew through gildeds

[warm vortex]

One is fully upgraded iirc, second idk if it’s worth

I got sacbrood and dawn trink both hero

Sac I’ll max, Im just trying to get grim butt trinket

[blazing pumice]

it doesn't really matter, because once you have upgraded it only costs valorstones

[warm vortex]

Highly doubt I can get a heroic MqM for a bit, as guild is running DKP and some people are capped at max

I keep forgetting that yea

[blazing pumice]

the bigger issue is that you get a vault trinket

[warm vortex]

Eh, with my luck no

Until I upgrade

[blazing pumice]

but even then they are only 15 gildeds you are saving

[warm vortex]

THEN I get a vault trink

Yea

And they drop from 8s too

So yea when I get home I’ll sim and craft after comparing trunks and crafted

Most likely gonna be crit/mast dagger tbh

Cause those two always sim higher

It seems

[lavish wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

Yea ik they are “bis stats” but ilevel is more important and blah blah blah

[crude tree]

Good morning everyone, I'm starting out in wow and I chose assassination as my main class, is there a talent tree that I can look up to

[grim jay]

wouldnt worry too much about "wasting" crests

kinda done with heroic crests this week

mythic will soon follow

so it is what it is

[warm vortex]

Yea fair

[warm vortex]

The wowhead guide has good talent builds in it

[warm vortex]

Unless you craft an intellect dagger

Then that’s a horrid waste of crests X)

[subtle tundra]

Won't be soon

[grim jay]

yeah I mean through upgrading valid gear

[crude tree]

Thank you very much I will check it out now

[main pumice]

Does any1 know if Bubbling Wax is better for M+ than r2 / r3 Ironclaw Whetstone?

[grim jay]

idk I only need next weeks mythic crests and I'm done until I get more mythic loot

[subtle tundra]

Ok maybe if you don't get mythic loot I guess so

But that still means you need gilded

Eventually

[warm vortex]

I assume whet is better? Idk tho? I think it’s either double whet or offhand wax MH whet. I think at least. That’s just me guessing though.

I will say try applying wax though rn, sometimes it just doesn’t work

[grim jay]

tbf I got many high ilvl heroic pieces

neck ring etc

so I saved some mythic crests on those

[subtle tundra]

Ah rare loot

I wouldn't know

Have 0

[grim jay]

based

I got the ring and was bummed that it was only like 6k over a 626 ring

but then again its free dmg

[warm vortex]

Wait are mythic crests different to the +8 ones?

[subtle tundra]

No

[warm vortex]

Exactly

Ah aight

Tbh I think I’ll just go w crafted for now IF it sims well

Plus nice ilevel injection

[subtle tundra]

Cloak is 0 dps but it's mythic crests saved

So it's not 0 dps

[grim jay]

ye as long as you can save crests decently its a gain for now

[subtle tundra]

I'll have to go pug it today

[mellow sun]

Any mythic broodtwister big brain tips? Other than “kill boss faster than it kills you”

[subtle tundra]

Yikers

[warm vortex]

Yeye
I’m also not a mythic raider soooo yea I don’t have many risks

[spice surge]

You can hold your second DM for like 5-10 seconds

[mellow sun]

Can I evasion a parasite fixation for example?

[warm vortex]

I just do heroic atm

[spice surge]

No you cant do anything for the parasites

[mellow sun]

😦

[mellow sun]

For egg break timer?

[spice surge]

But holding that DM lets you spatter more of your kb on those adds, and you want your DM for the 6:30 BL anyway

So delaying it isnt actually losing you anything

[mellow sun]

Ty that’s helpful we are only at like 65% best rn so lusting on pull to get people comfy with mechanics

[warm vortex]

Pack some bug spray

Make sure your feasts contain food that bugs won’t flock to

[spice surge]

Another tip is to just cloak anytime you doublestack

[native seal]

Farming GB is making my life miserable, close to 40 runs now... I even have transmitter but i just hate using it. Ptolly just roll with it 😂

[warm vortex]

Nah

You got this dude

Maybe make a bingo sheet for m+ to pass the time. I did that and found it funny

[sly summit]

is this mythic boe ring worth for assa?

[warm vortex]

Had shit like
“Healer not dispelling”
And
“Seeing a feral Druid”
As spots on the sheet

[warm vortex]

That does not narrow anything down

[spice surge]

Its a 629 ring, you can sim it

[warm vortex]

Also is it normal for assa to not do as good as other classes on pulls like NW first pull

[normal mist]

our burst and opener takes time

other classes press 2 abilities and have their burst going

[thick patio]

Looking to craft 3rd and 4th item for m+ - what slots doesnt have a natural crit/mast drop?

[normal mist]

thats not how it works

but just check dungeon drops

[spice surge]

Craft the slot that gives you the most ilvl/dps

[warm vortex]

Ah fair fair
Was worried it was just me being shit
Still could be but maybe not

[late tusk]

mmm hello got a doubt about crasfting order

Why wrist and waist?

Its caue of there is no good items in that spots?

why no claock (for example)

[spice surge]

You can craft a cloak

[late tusk]

but why the guides priorize wrist/waits

[spice surge]

The bis lists are made assuming you have access to literally everything at the highest ilvl

And there is a very rare cloak from mythic raid that has a defensive extra proc

[late tusk]

Ah gotcha

I dont do raid

which its troll i now

But looking my progreess now a claock improves me more than the otehr sptos

[royal lantern]

you just dont want to craft on bigger slot

cus crafted items are lower ilvl

and ilvl = mainstat

so most people craft on wrist/waist cus they are slot that give less mainstat anyway

and ring/necks give only secondarys anyway

[crisp burrow]

any plater profile or something to help track dots on mobs? im using default and its hard to see if they have rupture and garrote

[zealous wolf]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[crisp burrow]

ty

[old sequoia]

when do you guys use blackjack vs tricks

[normal mist]

tricks - never

blackjack - everytime

in m+

in raid its whatever

[old sequoia]

kk been using blackjack but a few tank issues last night tilted me into looking into tricks

[late tusk]

okey thank!

got sense

[old sequoia]

thanks

[normal mist]

Yeah some people are tired of random tanks failing their ..... Tank mechanic of... BEING THE TANK

[royal lantern]

trick does almost nothing at all

like

[normal mist]

so they run trickz

[royal lantern]

the problem is

[subtle tundra]

Until you get flamed

[royal lantern]

you generate dps threat

Not tank threat

and rogue on all 3 spec is generating almost 0 threat

[subtle tundra]

Yes people teamed up on me cause no tricks

[late tusk]

I have seen tanks blaming on 2º mist boss cause of rupts

[normal mist]

People with 0 knowledge on the class

[old sequoia]

it's mostly to help our tanks since my WW buddy pulls threat a lot

he'

he's a bit aggro lol

[royal lantern]

assa ha slow buildup on dmg, so by the time trick ends you had like 2 dot ticks that do 0 dmg

subs big hitting ability (secret tech) literally doesnt generate threat

outlaw can use it, but outlaw cant really burst

[old sequoia]

yeah true on the assa build up

[subtle tundra]

I mean

I get aggro 20 sec into the pull

Tricks would be long used

[normal mist]

^

[royal lantern]

bruh

[grim jay]

also its not really your job to balance out easily solvable issues of other people

[royal lantern]

thats 1 of those "either im a god pumper or the tank is literally doing nothing" moments

like

[old sequoia]

even on pulls i do 3M i dont get aggro like that

thats odd

[royal lantern]

after 5-6 seconds, a tank hould literally never lose aggro anymore at all cus of how tank threat works

if they are not afk

[subtle tundra]

I bet its cause of the buffs tbh

Didn't happen before this week

No cap

[grim jay]

kinda depends on the tank aswell

some just struggle

comparatively

[subtle tundra]

Prot warrior

😭

[grim jay]

ye they kinda suck

from my experience

[royal lantern]

eh, often its cus they dont group up things and their aoe doesnt hit them

like, gotta remember

most tank are.......lets say not good 😄

[subtle tundra]

Ofc

But aggro is the 1 tank thing

[grim jay]

ye its wild

like I personally never lose aggro on bdk unless someone adds at a bad moment

which isnt even my fault

but some bdks lose aggro every now and then randomly

[indigo sinew]

is thistle tea becoming a passive after anniversary patch?

[oak tangle]

noyeahno

depends how you play

[indigo sinew]

oh so its still gonna be a button

[oak tangle]

i think the expectation atm is you cast it yourself, and stay above the auto threshold

but i dont follow any of the TC stuff

[indigo sinew]

i just thought the active button was getting removed

[oak tangle]

nah, SnD though

[indigo sinew]

oh thats nice

[spice surge]

The active button is still available

But even if it werent it doesnt really matter much as it would come of cooldown during shiv/kb anyway

So you'd proc it when you want it to proc regardless

Its really just a non-change

[undone flame]

how do i make an macro that use trick of the trade on my focus taget?

[oak tangle]

#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus,help,nodead][@target][] tricks of the trade

[spice surge]

I'd recommend this instead, so you dont need to set focus

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[oak tangle]

what and how does that work?

oh weak aura combo

i saw a similar thing for clipping arcance barrage

[undone flame]

nah i want it to be focus for raiding (and delvs i gusse) but it woude be cool to have both thanks 😄 @oak tangle you 2 ofc ^^

[spice surge]

I dont understand why you'd want that but you do you

[oak tangle]

how else do you tricks your friends

[pure moth]

Most of us don't. Tricks is useless

[oak tangle]

i mean especially this week, im taking blackjack

but when you go into lfr you gotta tricks your dps friends for the memes

[pure moth]

Scroll up some for the convo on tricks. But it doesn't do anything.

[spice surge]

The WA has options where you can set it to autotarget whoever you want if the default tank isnt what you want

Definitely feels like they should just make tricks autotarget your tank by default, its so much comfier

[dawn heath]

i suggest using party1 tricks of the trade

tank should always be leader in keys

and if they are not ask them to get leader

[blazing pumice]

or just use the weakaura

so you don't have to do that

[dawn heath]

what weakaura

[brittle quail]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[brittle quail]

that one

best wa ever

[dawn heath]

you need to type in their name?

[brittle quail]

no

[spice surge]

No

[brittle quail]

install the wa

make the macro with the text

and it target the tank in your group by defaul

you have option for raid if needed

[loud girder]

Is it worth to craft a 636 dagger

[blazing pumice]

y

[dawn heath]

if u dont already have a myth track mainhand sure

[loud girder]

Yeah wont be raiding myth only doing m+

[novel star]

then ya

mainhand wep will giga mog any other slot

make one

[loud girder]

Copy

[tawdry flint]

what spec are you guys enjoying in m+ atm?

[runic hinge]

Assassination

[tawdry flint]

wheyy

[runic hinge]

The channel you’re in

[thorn fjord]

Sleep is my favorite spec tbh

[novel star]

wish i could sleep

[thorn fjord]

Just close your eyes

I’m so sick of spamming grim butthole

[normal mist]

same

once i get that trinket i'll just stop Qing M+ all together

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

MAYBE Sv for the neck

[grim jay]

did you try just looting what you need

its way faster

[thorn fjord]

Didnt think of that

[grim jay]

try it on the next run

[runic hinge]

Just loot it out of your vault after only doing like 5

[late tusk]

Well that gonna be an stupid question for sure, but im takinga look on the nº1 mythic key rogue

[runic hinge]

Also I slept like 5 hours

[late tusk]

And he is going Ascendance as embellishj

[runic hinge]

Probably raids

[normal mist]

yes he's a raider for sure

[late tusk]

its not saved on run?

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[late tusk]

And another noob question, i can run 2 equal embellish?

[normal mist]

depends on the emb

[runic hinge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[late tusk]

That text is more than enought

thanks !

[thorn fjord]

only groups right now are all OCE and my ping blows in those groups

UGHGHGHG

[runic hinge]

To early for east coast gamers

[thorn fjord]

Ive been at work since 730 😦

[runic hinge]

I got a tee time in an hour

[thorn fjord]

Nice

[runic hinge]

I’m sitting in the clubhouse waiting

40 mph wind gusts tho

[thorn fjord]

Atleast its not raining

[runic hinge]

True

[rotund oak]

did 5 keys,farming them crests and it felt so cringe to see 2.6-2.8k ppl with 1-2 interrupts the entire run

[normal mist]

Starts raining

[rotund oak]

so cringe man

[runic hinge]

Was a tree down across the road on my way in

Rogue can get all the kicks in their mind

[thorn fjord]

Damn tony why you knockin down tree's

[normal mist]

atleast you're doing Keys

[thorn fjord]

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SMOKING THEM

[normal mist]

im in a Q simulator

[runic hinge]

Lmfao

[rotund oak]

im on q simulator as well man,my own keys

at least they see my mage

and join

😂

[thorn fjord]

Ive got a 9 City that I dont want to run

[normal mist]

I'm purely Qing GB

[thorn fjord]

=/

[rotund oak]

yeah aint no way u getting in thos ekeys

ild like

buy them stacked armor trinket traded

[thorn fjord]

what keys bro

Still too early =/

[rotund oak]

its ok in europe idk

there are ppl

[normal mist]

1st im playing solo
2nd aint no way imma pay gold for this

[rotund oak]

its more like they just que 8s

[rotund oak]

ah i c,in that case ye F that

[normal mist]

I just want the trinket because i've put my mind intp it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fWVzCRzjgESbgdySDveHCU

[rotund oak]

same,it will appear in my vault

[normal mist]

because bitch isnt even a big diff

from what i have

[thorn fjord]

Trinket is 1.1% upgrade for me

[rotund oak]

best hair universe btw

[thorn fjord]

lol

[normal mist]

at 619, its 0.4 ST for me

i just dont want to cringe cast Serum

[thorn fjord]

yep so imagine im 623 and its still a whole as 1% increase

And I plan on making my second craft today

about 3% gains overall

[rotund oak]

its about there for me as well

[normal mist]

Im already curved, if none of my friends feel like pushing 10s for portals, i can say i've finished my season

Cause ain't no way ill pug 10's this season

[thorn fjord]

we got Brood sub 60% on Thursday

[rotund oak]

im gonna kill at least 4/8M

before this season ends

[thorn fjord]

first 4 are really easy

[rotund oak]

yup

[thorn fjord]

Brood pretty easy too

Just gotta learn the dance

[rotund oak]

idk man,its just my mage does everything so muhc easier

[brisk forge]

Tbh pugging 10s aint hard

[rotund oak]

u are a mage,everyone deepthroats u

[thorn fjord]

Range def have it easier this tier

Specially brood... Shit sucks for meleee

[novel star]

should kill rashanan next week not looking forward to ovinax

weakaura boss zzzzz

[rotund oak]

gl on that fps drop

[thorn fjord]

Its easy after the first night... the Weak Auras are pretty straight forward

[runic hinge]

My dk puts down amz and I think I’m safe but then two swirlies I can’t see hit me and there goes cheat

[novel star]

my frames should be fine

i just don’t think the fight looks fun

at all

[rotund oak]

no one does

[novel star]

nothing interesting about it

[rotund oak]

[thorn fjord]

Are you one of the people marking?

[novel star]

me?

[thorn fjord]

or should say will you be

yeah

[novel star]

no idea

don’t think there’s ppl assigned until we get to it but i will maybe end up as one

since i have brain

sadly

[thorn fjord]

me have no brain so all i have to worry about are kicks LOL

[runic hinge]

They know I only have sit on boss brain they haven’t been asking me to do shit this tier

I always will if they ask but I never volunteer

[novel star]

i usually volunteer myself for mechanics because i trust myself

and guaranteeing one person who will not fuck it up is nice

but

doing world markers seems like a disaster

hope it’s just like rl and a tank or some shit doing it

[tawny junco]

Guys, with the changes in 11.0.5 are we getting a buff or no?

With The echoing reprimend going away

[runic hinge]

Maybe

[normal mist]

who knows

[tawny junco]

[novel star]

the changes still don’t even work really last i saw

so

not only are they not done tuning it they’re not done making the talents function at all

so we have no numbers

on multiple levels

[golden loom]

you are gonna want to stay over 30 energy when not in shiv window with the changes tho right?

so tea doesnt get procced

sounds a bit annoying if that will be the case

[errant mauve]

Rogue is in limbo

[novel star]

wdym

[errant mauve]

We just don’t know what’s going to happen with the next patch

[novel star]

oh

Ya

i mean

numbers wise ya

but on paper most stuff is pretty obvious and just qol

[errant mauve]

Can’t tell if buff or nerf when there’s like 90% chance we are bugged anyway

[novel star]

almost certainly gaining damage the only thing we’re losing is ER but that’s kinda whatever

if they fix flensing then gg go next

[errant mauve]

I want a sub fix

[naive spindle]

Im probs coping but i think they will make auto tea optional

[errant mauve]

Can’t have us thinking we know when the optimal use of tea is

[novel star]

tea is annoying but i don’t think it’s actually that terrible idk

[rotund oak]

its not that its terrible

its just that rest is worse than tea

that should make u think

whats wrong

😉

[errant mauve]

I know what’s wrong… we play rogue

[novel star]

?

[novel star]

idk abt u but i’m having fun playing a fun class

in a fun videogame

[bleak spoke]

Why do you like flensing? Shouldn’t they just remove it and put it into idk deadly poison

[novel star]

^.^

[novel star]

i don’t like flensing i just like free damage

[rotund oak]

the tea alternatives,are worse than tea

[bleak spoke]

[novel star]

them fixing flensing would not be countered with any kind of buff

they’d just fix it

since it’s a bug

[bleak spoke]

Tbh like

[novel star]

oh i meant tea change

[bleak spoke]

I would like to play the other talent

[novel star]

not tea vs other talents

[novel star]

i mean ya its better

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

but prob v rarely a difference maker in raid

and 1.7%damage or whatever is nice

[rotund oak]

like think how impactful CB is rn and the right side node

i cant see any reason for those two to exist

[novel star]

tru

class tree is pretty ugly

[rotund oak]

i mean

[novel star]

just wasn’t what i was talkin abt :p

[rotund oak]

as final nodes

they arent just ugly

they serve no purpose

also the nodes above them,

make little sense

[bleak spoke]

I mean I agree but this seems like a rather common principle in class tree design to gate with points of throughput

[novel star]

[rotund oak]

my magic ball says rework

but will see

might be completely wrong

[novel star]

lots of classes and specs have dead talents

it’s normal

[rotund oak]

thats the difference my man

i dont think its normal to have ''dead'' nodes

[novel star]

it is

[rotund oak]

how

[novel star]

almost every class has this

[bleak spoke]

Unfortunately yeh

[novel star]

just never picked useless nodes

[naive spindle]

It is with how figured out this game is

[novel star]

is literally the entire game

[rotund oak]

so the fact that other classes might have dead nodes makes it normal

[bleak spoke]

Which is like why I think

[novel star]

i’m not saying it should be this way

but yes, that does make it normal

[bleak spoke]

We’re gonna go back to mop trees

[rotund oak]

but u accept the fact that it is how it is

[bleak spoke]

[novel star]

why would i not accept it

my opinion won’t change anything

[rotund oak]

coz it makes no sense

[novel star]

i accept reality for what it is

[rotund oak]

if u wanna improve the class

and as a game in general

[novel star]

complaining in a class discord isn’t going to improve anything

no one is reading this except other losers with no life

[rotund oak]

im not complaining btw

im just saying the obvious thing

[novel star]

Projecting a bit my bad

[rotund oak]

u just receive it as one

[novel star]

I mean meh

it’s just not really worth discussing cause it’s so standard

nothing to talk about

[naive spindle]

Min max will always make winners and losers out of the talents. This has been the game for 20 years

[rotund oak]

ok lets not discuss about our tree

coz we complain

nothing to do here

just close our discord

[novel star]

blizzard can not (and should not even attempt to) make every single talent option equal

[subtle tundra]

i am the loser...

[novel star]

it’s way too much work and will never actually happen

[subtle tundra]

i am L...

[novel star]

there will forever be one talent that is 0.1% worse and never ever ever picked

doesn’t matter if it’s 0.1% worse or 20% worse

[rotund oak]

a W in our hearts

[novel star]

if ur picking a talent for damage you pick the best damage one

insane waste of time and effort for them to try to fix this

cus they just can’t

it’s not viable

like obv realistically there’s extremes but like

bleh

just dumb

too much shit in this game

them making massive changes like 11.0.5 is all i really care about

tiny number tuning on some chungus talent that doesn’t fucking change gameplay anyway

is the most useless shit to get upset over

ted talk over

i need sleep

[naive spindle]

Ur shadow boxing rn

[true estuary]

I have a question - in the wowlogs i see the top asasi rogues ditch Vicious Venoms for improved garrote and sanguine blades even for Single Target*** bosses. Is vicious venoms now bad?

[novel star]

Ik

[novel star]

no it’s just preference and/or can sim differently based on ur character

but the difference even when imp gar does sim ahead

is so small

that’s it’s just fucking pick whatever

you can sim the difference yourself for ur character if you want

[true estuary]

Do i use the default raidbots sim or are there any special settings

[novel star]

just default

like

st patchwerk optimal buffs

top gear lets u sim talent pages against eachother

[true estuary]

Thanks

[novel star]

[true estuary]

Cate is cut

[slim pebble]

Do we have any rough estimates of how we are looking currently on the 11.0.5 patch?

[novel star]

nop

changes on paper are good

like just feel good

but no numbers

and then there’s like ttk which is just all over the place and probably still doesn’t work properly idfk

[spice surge]

Afaik its fine for assa, sub still has some jank (as is tradition)

[novel star]

didn’t they make sub full 1m30s spec

instead of 2 min 1 min

[spice surge]

Theres not really anything thats getting nerfed for assa, so at worst its the same as now, but 12 seconds of MA seems absolutely bonkers for m+

[true estuary]

Yes, for now. And they remove invigorating shadowdust

[novel star]

No dust is goated

might actually learn sub when that bitch gone

[slim pebble]

Zerocool emote is goated

[cedar iron]

dust is the bandaid that keeps sub playable

[novel star]

is that a zerocool emote

[slim pebble]

No but the cig reminds me of him 😂

[novel star]

i think it’s just an every streamer emote

oh

lmao

[novel star]

disaster

[cedar iron]

what makes you hate it?

[stone oak]

is being nightelf that good for an extra stealth reset? i already have a NE druid and i just have a ick about having multiple classes as same race. but ill do it if its that important

[slim pebble]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[deep wave]

with dust gone sub has open zone to get buffs that dont feel like cancer to play

just imo

[novel star]

i just don’t like the desynced cds thing

i like my burst being at like simple timings idk brain small

[spice surge]

You need actual stealth for your stealth talent to proc, which does not work on bosses and technically should work on trash by going shadowmeld > stealth but its often janky and doesnt work

[stone oak]

interesting thats good info

[cedar iron]

so your issue is 1.5min flag and 2min blades and not dust?

[stone oak]

i have a friend telling me "u gotta play NE its bis"

[cedar iron]

all dust does is remove 30s

[stone oak]

i kinda wanna just do an ole classic and go human

[novel star]

Prolly

[spice surge]

Also removes the solo symbols (as deathstalker)

[novel star]

but why not both

[spice surge]

Which feels kinda awful

[novel star]

idk i don’t really know sub stuff deeply i just know enough to know i don’t want to bother

[spice surge]

Also with the .5 changes you cant really get 2 sectechs of during blades

[novel star]

until anniversary changes make it simpler

[spice surge]

So its just super jank

[feral mason]

📐

[cedar iron]

desynced cds suck, dust makes burst window longer and offers different cd timings if you need it. its not even complicated you just press it in cds and everything is fine nothing to think about

[cedar iron]

confused what you mean tbh

[bleak spoke]

probably some preliminary ptr build

oh

nvm

wait eleem while you're here

you weren't kidding about ttb

i thought you were

but LOL

[novel star]

dunno anything more than dm kb and solo kb too much brain for me i’m a dog

[spice surge]

Without dust you cant use dance every symbols

And have 2 for your burst

So you have to give up one use of dance and just send symbols alone