there's a decent on use
#assassination
brave pulsar
tyty
cyan karma
I really recommend the personal one for darkest night because it will stop you from ambushing from stealth when you should most definitely be using garrot and a full envenom to apply DSM
I think 😅
daring hamlet
btw if anyone cares, the call of the worldsoul quest is resetting itself, just have to complete it and log off and yuou'll get a fresh one
barren epoch
with your plater profile whispyr, how come the caustic spatter target's nameplate goes from green to red ?
balmy condor
base is red, caustic is green, mark is purple, caustic and mark is orange/brown
barren epoch
ohhh i see, thanks
honest pelican
few points from 2k on my rogue alt, wondering if it matters what i choose. I have 4pc tier, 2 are hero 2 are champion. the champion track are chest/legs so notably the weakest. helm is regular 610 hero. no reason to get tier helm probably but get hero track chest or legs? cant remember how to sim it without the item
cinder grotto
@slate crown for your https://wago.io/UootxwOhT is there an easy way to reset it without logging out? I already removed the persistent checkmark from options.
Also, what does the (1) mean?
rotund marsh
can someone help
im not sure what to do
i play all 3 specs
if i want craft some gear, what should i do?
the embelishments are so different
and the stat priorities
waxen oyster
craft whatever you play more
rotund marsh
idk how to find the middle ground
waxen oyster
There is no "optimal" choice.
rotund marsh
well i play sub the least, but ass and outlaw i play equally
rotund oak
well assuming u have wpns for every spec u should start with prioritizing embelishments for the environment/content u wanna play them for
rotund marsh
what 2 embellishments would be universally good
rotund marsh
stats tho
waxen oyster
not really
rotund marsh
like what stat missive
waxen oyster
idk crafted gear is kind of just there to fill in weak slots
rotund marsh
could off hand it on outlaw, and main hand it on the others
waxen oyster
and you could always recraft
rotund marsh
all my slots are weak, just got them 80 today lol
waxen oyster
craft bracers and something else
you can always recraft so
not sure why you act like this is a hard commitment
rotund marsh
bracers are already veteren, that would be a small upgrade
rotund marsh
not sure why you act like this is a hard commitment
well idk its a big upgrade early on like this
not to mention expensive sometimes
slate crown
<@228712200385200130> for your https://wago.io/UootxwOhT is there an easy way to...
I don't have a way to clear its values, no. You'd have to reload your UI /console reloadui. I've never gotten such a request and just have the aura out of the way so I only notice it when I look down. The old values will eventually get pushed out, it only holds a handful of values (configurable). I'll consider if I want to add an option to reset.
The (1) means "Number of unique targets hit". If there's a big pull with 10 mobs, it will read 10 assuming you hit all of them.
waxen oyster
embellishes are such a tiny upgrade
i've recrafted like 6x this expansion
already
you'd gain more damage racechanging to dwarf than playing "optimal" embellishes
with ideal missives
ngl
rotund oak
619 dagger with like that one embelishment
U kinda trolling yourself friend but here it is :
- Both sub-outlaw using duskthread lining
- Sin using dawnthread lining
- If u dont have wpns=> prio those the stats isnt rly that crazy vers/mast should cover both sin and sub
all embelishments arent that impactful anymore though
rotund marsh
i see
waxen oyster
like bracers doesnt matter
rotund oak
so u dont have to get obsessive over it
rotund oak
wpns are more important though
rotund marsh
how is this embelishment btw? seems universal
waxen oyster
on that slot
rotund oak
u win much more dps,unless ofc u wanna ''be done'' with embelishments
waxen oyster
that weapon sucks
rotund oak
how is this embelishment btw? seems universal
please read the wowhead guide,it specifically says not to craft that wpn
hallow pelican
thats a terrible weapon
rotund marsh
that weapon sucks
i mean it would benefit all 3 specs equally tho
rotund marsh
please read the wowhead guide,it specifically says not to craft that wpn
i thought it said to not craft an intellect one
waxen oyster
with transmitter it becomes an acceptable one
rotund marsh
i mean sub is a terrible spec
my least favorite trinket
rotund marsh
why are they so weird?
whats with that spec
sounds so sick, but theres a bunch of things that ruin it
rotund marsh
biggest issue is the tank damage outside of those windows
runic hinge
When do you transmitter
rotund oak
i thought it said to not craft an intellect one
plz take your time and read again
Crafting Notes
Siphoning Stiletto
Ascension
Dawnthread
Binding of Binding
Elemental Focusing Lens
Siphoning Stiletto Siphoning Stiletto - This dagger is awful, terrible, and should never be crafted under any circumstance. The effect on this might be interesting on first glance, dealing damage both to you and your enemy. The issue is that, deals damage to you, doesn't do any aoe, picks its target randomly, and on top of all of that, it's still worse than a regular dagger with a better embellishment like Dawnthread Lining Dawnthread Lining . Do NOT craft this.
waxen oyster
When do you transmitter
on flag iirc
waxen oyster
biggest issue is the tank damage outside of those windows
thats just how burst specs work
rotund marsh
thats just how burst specs work
DH is still fun tho
waxen oyster
dh damage is kinda memey outside of their meta windows
hallow pelican
so with wax fucked again we're double whetstones again correct?
waxen oyster
Yeah unless you're a weird no mover memer
waxen oyster
so with wax fucked again we're double whetstones again correct?
can play mana oil
rotund marsh
sub is shurikan into ST spender rince repeat until you can do actual damage with your cds
waxen oyster
you dont shuriken on st
hallow pelican
can play mana oil
double oil or oil whet?
rotund marsh
you dont shuriken on st
swap for backstab then lol
waxen oyster
i mean you double whet if you can afford it
waxen oyster
i mean
i want to like sub again
i really do
but they keep making it a cringe bug filled mess
rotund marsh
they need to change some stuff imo
rotund oak
sub is shurikan into ST spender rince repeat until you can do actual damage with...
thats how u funnel not how u ST on sub
sub doesnt storm when ST-ing
rotund oak
yup
rotund marsh
i meant st spender in aoe
waxen oyster
....when bp did dam
rotund marsh
cause i forgot its name
but thats the button you use
for trickster its aoe
and black powder is just no used unless its like 8 targets, very weird
rotund oak
i meant st spender in aoe
yup thats called ''funnel''===>u translate aoe dmg into ST by using aoe dmg(a builder) to translate them to ST dmg==>evisc
any type of tht dmg is called ''funnel'' coz it translates some type of aoe into ST
rotund oak
😂
rotund marsh
they did not think through
i love blade flurry but on sub it makes the rotation so weird
and it just does no damage either way
so i can choose to either burst the pack down and overkill it
or do 0 damage to save my cds
not fun at all
at least you get damage on DH with eyebeam
which lets you have good damage still
rotund oak
we dont rly advocate DH in this channel friend
waxen oyster
Yeah its a 40s cd spec effectively
where you burst in a 5s window then go back to filler
rotund marsh
we dont rly advocate DH in this channel friend
i still have issues with it
just saying sub is even worse at that downtime playstyle
waxen oyster
idk its pretty similar
rotund oak
i still have issues with it
we cant rly help u for DH issues my man,its a rogue channel,should visit their discord
waxen oyster
Yeah no warlock is
rotund oak
it kinda is though
rotund marsh
we cant rly help u for DH issues my man,its a rogue channel,should visit their d...
i wasnt asking for help lol, was just comparing sub to DH
rotund marsh
one of the few classes i fell asleep in my chair
most likely not a caster fan?
rotund oak
i wasnt asking for help lol, was just comparing sub to DH
ik i just answered u 2 lines above,it kinda feels bad on your downtime as sub
u do no dmg
although deahtstalker sub doesnt have that much of a problem
rotund marsh
idk maybe the 4pc tier makes it feel alot better and that might be skewing my perception of it
rotund marsh
although deahtstalker sub doesnt have that much of a problem
oh really? havent messed with that one much yet
heard aoe with it is kinda weird but due to bugs is better than trickster 💀
rotund oak
oh really? havent messed with that one much yet
yeah with the recent buff deathstalker is better for m+ probably than trickster and much tankier
waxen oyster
as someone who's played dh through its multiple variations since legion
this 4p variant isnt that crazy interesting
💀
rotund marsh
what i like about trickster is 1 hour tricks
just make that a rogue class talent
i need it
waxen oyster
I mean....
waxen oyster
the best part about that talent is using it on your other melee
rotund oak
if u want tricks 1 hour long u dont rly focus on gameplay man
rotund marsh
delves are so fun with it
waxen oyster
and gaslighting the group
rotund marsh
"why am i getting aggro all the time" "these enemies hate me"
waxen oyster
on fyrak hc i used to pick a random caster every week
rotund marsh
rotund oak
on fyrak hc i used to pick a random caster every week
i did it on our dh coz F dhs in general,degen class
cursive owl
i should play ice mageb, i got frost hands because its 1°C
waxen oyster
intentionally leap out on warrior once a boss dies
to swapblast a ranged player off when they come in to loot
cursive owl
guys, i have a question. are we still the burst bomber class , or is there a new melee burst bomber ?
rotund marsh
guys, i have a question. are we still the burst bomber class , or is there a new...
DH
cursive owl
wdym dh
waxen oyster
we're not amirdrassil rogue
rotund marsh
demon hunter
cursive owl
so
waxen oyster
amir sub
rotund marsh
i mean they are probably the most bursty melee rn
waxen oyster
sin is mid tier burst
rotund marsh
maybe fury if they werent gutted
cursive owl
currently dh burst more than we in our KB combo opener ?
rotund marsh
fury was only burst aoe
true
waxen oyster
lol
rotund marsh
good dhs can burst like 5-7m
its nasty
cursive owl
rotund marsh
im not good but i see other demon hunters doing unbalanced numbers
cursive owl
maybe i try out DH , its less difficult to play rt ?
rotund marsh
maybe i try out DH , its less difficult to play rt ?
theres some annoyances
you may really dislike it
waxen oyster
you need to dash
cursive owl
idc
rotund marsh
maybe i try out DH , its less difficult to play rt ?
mover can be aids
cursive owl
so momentum build is still king
rotund marsh
you want to backflip to refresh a buff and then dash to refresh another buff
quite often
waxen oyster
inertia is a toned down one
cursive owl
ik
rotund marsh
so momentum build is still king
inertia now
cursive owl
o.o
rotund marsh
every like 5-10 seconds
cursive owl
i need to look it up
rotund marsh
the buff is like 10 percent crit rate and 17 percent all damage
rotund marsh
its dumb how it basically leaves you no choice but to take it
rotund marsh
playstyle is so degenerate tho
bleak spoke
no mover is like not that far behind right now but like i mean it's a cycle variant
so like
if you aren't perma hitting
ur cooked
rotund marsh
no mover is like not that far behind right now but like i mean it's a cycle vari...
true but the burst gets exponentially higher with a good pilot behind a mover build
waxen oyster
oh wait lettuce
cursive owl
sorry to throw in dh in assa channel, gonna go look up wowhead, but thanks for heads up
bleak spoke
i test stuff with him/do apl stuff with him pretty often
cursive owl
do you mind , making contact for me ?
bleak spoke
he writes the wowhead guide you should read it
waxen oyster
cycle talents are very healthy for the game
cursive owl
ok
waxen oyster
xd
bleak spoke
like he puts a lot lot of effort into making it good
"
waxen oyster
honestly
cursive owl
later o/
bleak spoke
yeah
bleak spoke
it's funny right because like he actually enjoyed sinful brand
and i used to flame him
for liking the highest dps build
even when it played like dog
but this expansion came around
and for the first time he learned what it was like to hate a variant of his spec
w/aldrachi
waxen oyster
moment i thought hawk and hawkerton were the same guy
waxen oyster
w/aldrachi
lol that tree gets so much hate
rogue ones just get hate for being boring
blazing jewel
❌
primal gazelle
what is the sims dps difference between fatebound vs DS?
balmy condor
rogue ones just get hate for being boring
I don't even get it most of the time really
balmy condor
what is the sims dps difference between fatebound vs DS?
depends on your char
primal gazelle
is it huge? 5%+ or closer to 1-2%
waxen oyster
like warrior's slayer tree does
balmy condor
is it huge? 5%+ or closer to 1-2%
within 1% probably
primal gazelle
thanks
blazing jewel
I don't even get it most of the time really
Do you think they should be playing fatebound over ds on fights where the mark drops a lot like court
bleak spoke
you can pass it
balmy condor
dont turbofuck
yeh but like
rogue community perma bitching about class being too complicated and too much button bloat
blizzard removes buttons
community perma bitching still about complicated
blizzard makes passive hero talents that don't complicated spec
community perma bitching about passive tree
thick lynx
What four poisons am I supposed to run in M+?
balmy condor
wowhead guide rotation page
bleak spoke
mind numbing is very good
balmy condor
goes over it all
waxen oyster
yeh but like
>rogue community perma bitching about class being too complicated a...
its probs because our passive tree
blazing jewel
<:caterm:1114018777894506606>
They mentioned brand 
sonic zinc
!restealth
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
- While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
waxen oyster
doesnt do like 15% of our dam
waxen oyster
thats only if you get lucky no?
balmy condor
tails coins gigafuck
waxen oyster
primarily as outlaw
balmy condor
everything except zold
west fable
They mentioned brand <a:peepoPopcorn:783250888910831661>
sin is in a much cooler spot than havoc why would anyone be talking about brand in here 🤨
bleak spoke
Well maybe not fully drop but not always on the target you want
https://i.imgur.com/fxSvHHG.png like idt i played super great but i passed it around a few times
waxen oyster
edge case proccing off deathmark is just odd imo
west fable
future sin main here 
waxen oyster
compared to it procs off AR for outlaw
drifting cloud
consequence propaganda 
waxen oyster
@blazing jewel did you used to go nonverbal if kb got parried
blazing jewel
Oh no I was verbal
waxen oyster
blazing jewel
It happened so many times on larodar and igira
west fable
damage cds getting parried in 2024 
bleak spoke
many such cases
bleak spoke
didn't he turn when he like did a bunch of the stuff
soft shale
etraeus was also a master of kung fu
drifting cloud
larodar parried? sounds made up he didnt have hands
bleak spoke
sylvanas had like 270 degree parry i swear 2 god
thick lynx
wowhead guide rotation page
So Deadly, Amplifying, Mind-Numbing, and Crippling?
waxen oyster
hear a very audible warrior screech
balmy condor
So Deadly, Amplifying, Mind-Numbing, and Crippling?
sounds good to me
bleak spoke
i mean like if shadowstep flagellation gets parried by her like what can you do, you tried your best
bleak spoke
you did not
waxen oyster
i've gotten shiv parried
bleak spoke
🙂
waxen oyster
i lost the gcd
waxen oyster
yep...
i mean arguably
since they were during dance
its close to as bad
two in a row
bleak spoke
i guess depends on which shiv/toxic blade variation
waxen oyster
the 40% variant
bleak spoke
like if you were playing like double dose sin at 31 apm and your toxic blade got parried in vendetta it was like 
see you in two minutes
bleak spoke
bod as well
rotund oak
like if you were playing like double dose sin at 31 apm and your toxic blade got...
that was so cursed
dont wanna remember
bleak spoke
that's why you played coral with it
waxen oyster
still didnt
rotund oak
coral ftw
waxen oyster
bleak spoke
you literally played coral on every spec that played inkpod
rotund oak
someone was cookin' dem portals
bleak spoke
i have a hot take i loved stormwall blockade
drifting cloud
. . .
waxen oyster
wasnt a bad boss
rotund oak
rotund oak
bruh
drifting cloud
blockade might actually be the worst 2nd to last boss of all time I swear
rotund oak
blockade was cringe
drifting cloud
kt > blockade
rotund oak
i liked KT,KT was a banger
waxen oyster
wdym i loved beating off for 1min
bleak spoke
in second to last boss slot
waxen oyster
waiting for cds
bleak spoke
CARAPACE LOL
man there are some absolute
fucking
STINKERS LOL
JESUS
that might literally be the worst
drifting cloud
I didnt mind carapace that much
bleak spoke
historically
rotund oak
u literally didnt care about transitions
just dodge and kill cysts and grapple and prio
rotund oak
like a boss
bleak spoke
if i knew what they would do to outlaw i would have played even more that expansion
and raiderio tells me i completed 5.2k keys
bleak spoke
not until wits
waxen oyster
for fire mage
bleak spoke
not the first one
rotund oak
yeah for fire mage
blazing jewel
@drifting cloud are you having fun during prog
bleak spoke
infested is likely the worst seasonal ever
drifting cloud
<@113078189701513216> are you having fun during prog
sure, why not? 2day is chill
bleak spoke
some ppl say the EP one is worse but they're fucking wrong
bleak spoke
okay but like when something infested
and you wiped
and they perma healed
and it was completely bricked no matter what
like
bleak spoke
i vividly remember the first time i spoke to seli, he told me to take internal bleeding to kill infested
drifting cloud
luckily the season wasnt that long
bleak spoke
cuz it did roughly the same as an equivalent cp env
drifting cloud
we still call every small worm ghuunies so you know
it left a lasting impression
drifting cloud
mhm
waxen oyster
is he not
bleak spoke
actually speaking of like schizo classic arguments in rogue cord
2ttk2b2ss vs 3eb3ss
holy fuck
waxen oyster
!40k
bleak spoke
someone link garret 1
balmy condor
2ttk2b2ss vs 3eb3ss
they don't make arguments like me and seli arguing over ttk
lost to forgotten years
rotund oak
not the first one
if u are talking about s1 bfa,outlaw did twice the dmg as the rest of the group in keys,idk what u talking about
bleak spoke
you didn't see the argument when i did wf shrine with snake eyes
and i argued with guy for 8 hours
balmy condor
need some good ol' blood vs iris
bleak spoke
cuz like it was the only trait where if you rolled anything that wasn't bt you could still kill the downstairs add on the last boss
balmy condor
I'm on my bfa guy arc with all these mplussers man
rotund oak
need some good ol' blood vs iris
yes plz,loved bfa,played eveyr single day of that expansion 
bleak spoke
god i miss bfa
luckily blizzard decided to bring back a part of bfa to-
wait
it's actually so cooked
you could have chosen any dungeon in the world
but
alliance siege of boralus was the pick
that's really just the craziest thing i've ever seen in my life
waxen oyster
rotund oak
waxen oyster
dw darkflame cleft
bleak spoke
like my favorite dungeon is shrine of the storm i know i'm strange
waxen oyster
coming to a tww season near you
bleak spoke
but it's like
fleet pagoda
i'm okay with siege at this point. it's alright. last boss of mists though 
worse than all the other negative stuff in the dungeon pool combined
waxen oyster
like my favorite dungeon is shrine of the storm i know i'm strange
seek help
bleak spoke
but i would never want them to bring that back, because all my friends would hate it
rotund oak
sots was fine,i liked it too,i didnt like KR all that much coz it was very unforgiving for the group
bleak spoke
i have a screenshot of a tourney realm shrine key i played where I killed 230 explosives in 18 minutes or something
i think it was our time trial submission
waxen oyster
ahh when explosives had hp
bleak spoke
for the time when explo had 1 hp whenever i heard ppl complain about it
it was the funniest thing
waxen oyster
healer affix
bleak spoke
in the final patch, you couldn't kill it without a 5+ point dispatch
3 chaos strikes
2 fire blasts
bleak spoke
i played some mage too
it was fun
minute mage was great
scorch weaving combust with bracers + lucid minor was so much fun
and plays so much better than phoenix flames
rotund oak
fire was insanely powerful,all other specs were just supporting fire
in s4
imagine waiting on discord for the dude to say ''ok ive got bust u can pull''
disgusting to experience but was a reality
bleak spoke
i did like pretty 4fun keys on it though like nothing serious
tbh i didn't do any serious keys after ep
waxen oyster
fire was insanely powerful,all other specs were just supporting fire
i still remembering
s3 bfa
fire pvp before bracers got widespread
waxen oyster
”uhh fuck it can we just run in and kill healer in opener”
waxen oyster
my pally had
waxen oyster
we killed an rdrui through bear and skin from 90%
bleak spoke
YOU'D GET LASERED OUT OF THE SKY IN MECHAGON LMFAO
waxen oyster
theres prob a clip on sterge’s stream
rotund oak
was fun
waxen oyster
where we play his rdru
he kites 30yd at 40% thinking hes fine
and gets double lasered
plucky plover
I've only been playing Rogue for this xpac so far and I know I'm pretty mediocre, but do you all have any idea why I'm parsing low on Heroic Ansurek as Sin? I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong on that fight to drop so much
bleak spoke
i did play hunter in 1st two seasons in bfa
my favorite comp ever to play with was protwar/rdruid/outlaw/ww/bm
waxen oyster
bfa prot
waxen oyster
everyone and their mother having
”xclap”
then got more wild when hoa came and rng avatar procs from vop
balmy condor
lionstorm
bleak spoke
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/moon-guard/lionstorm
https://i.imgur.com/hK3sT6h.png not pressing your cooldowns in p3 has something to do with it
balmy condor
wrong rogue
waxen oyster
i really like how
plucky plover
😄
plucky plover
I only PuG, so expect the worst
bleak spoke
there were melee playing
you mean the orb?
waxen oyster
one that shot out spears
waxen oyster
https://i.imgur.com/kKgg6aO.png #1 culprit for bricking for us
moment i realized it was trucking me
cinder grotto
I don't have a way to clear its values, no. You'd have to reload your UI `/conso...
Thank you 🙌
cursive mortar
Any big difference to using 5/5 set instead of 4/5 with a crit/mastery chest?
slate crown
Any big difference to using 5/5 set instead of 4/5 with a crit/mastery chest?
!stats - No
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
bleak spoke
well numbers that can't be counted on your fingers could be considered pretty big
slate crown
well numbers that can't be counted on your fingers could be considered pretty bi...
holy fuck that's so true
narrow bone
These guides aren't updated often, huh? 🤔
distant plinth
These guides aren't updated often, huh? 🤔
Is that from wowhead or icy veins
narrow bone
Wowhead
Just wanted some help with m+ as assa, but it seems its outdated. I'll try icy veins instead. 😇
Icy Veins is similarly out of date, rip. 🤣
karmic crystal
There are bound to be little lines here and there when stuff gets fixed that are missed
the bulk of it should put you in a good spot
slate crown
Icy Veins is similarly out of date, rip. 🤣
!guide both are fine and recommended by the discord.
I figure there are some pieces that just don't get updated every time a change is made. Take responsibility for keeping a multi-page public webpage with constantly developing changes up to date and you'll discover how much a pain in the ass it is extremely quickly.
When you get into that topic/question area, typically just asking here is good
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
slate crown
on 636 dagger or any toughts?
!embellish
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
slate crown
on 636 dagger or any toughts?
Ultimately embellishments are very minor in the grand scheme of things. Read the above, but otherwise whatever you pick will be a fine choice
noble flume
appreciated
balmy condor
These guides aren't updated often, huh? 🤔
I update the guide like 3 times a week lmao
there's just bound to be lines that fall through the cracks
when you have a guide that's over 65,000 words across over a dozen different pages
karmic crystal
it also has a caveat explaining what would change in the event of a fix already
but ty for the guides Whispyr
marble hemlock
Icy Veins is similarly out of date, rip. 🤣
Can you point me to where it still says that?
Thought I removed all mentions of it
Fwiw, just because the "last update" shows as being weeks ago, does not mean the guide isn't up 2 date. Just means no changes had to be made in that time (generally speaking). But as Whispyr pointed out already, the nature of these guides being a collective 5000+ lines of text total, means that things are bound to slip through.
If you notice some inconsistencies, you can always ping Whispyr if its on Wowhead or myself if its on Icy Veins and we'll fix it. 
mystic osprey
Fwiw, just because the "last update" shows as being weeks ago, does not mean the...
No way you can't read through 5000 lines of text and get everything perfect and update it on an hourly basis
Very lazy!!!!!!!
runic hinge
Hourly? I need update every minute
mystic osprey
Hourly? I need update every minute
Minute? I need second
marble hemlock
Hourly? I need update every minute
You get updates as often as you post Stu
runic hinge
You get updates as often as you post Stu
marble hemlock
Working on update rn!
runic hinge
Nova update when
mystic osprey
marble hemlock
Nova update when
havent taken a pic in a while, true
runic hinge
Stu will never be an outside bird
runic hinge
havent taken a pic in a while, true
I’ll be waiting
mystic osprey
Stu will never be an outside bird
These are the birds that jump you
And fly on your car
upper wraith
Hey
mystic osprey
Hey
wild hound
Hey
rotund oak
bro is looking for his food
narrow bone
Fwiw, just because the "last update" shows as being weeks ago, does not mean the...
Oh! For the IV guide it's just the date I was looking at! I'll let you know if there's any actual outdated info beyond that. 🙂
spice spire
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narrow bone
I update the guide like 3 times a week lmao
marble hemlock
Oh! For the IV guide it's just the date I was looking at! I'll let you know if t...
Oke 
sonic zinc
after 3 weeks, did 1 gb run today and i finally upgrade from a veteran skardyns to a champion
crisp stream
Man, I am successfully addicted to rogue, i don't find the fun factor in other classes anymore. Rogueophobia
wild hound
Feel ya! Assa is just like old school feral. No 50000 abilities randomly lighting up, just steady spinning plates and management, and i fucking love it
sonic zinc
now u needa get addicted to the other 2 specs as well
wild hound
Hah yeah used to play outlaw a couple of expansions ago, but waiting now til 11.05 to try law, not gonna touch that shit til I can just slam BTE on cd :3
wild hound
Haha
What are the specs strengths and weaknesses in your opinion? In raid specifically I guess
sonic zinc
sin strength in raid = damage
sub strength in raid = damage on council and a bit more flexible on queen
outlaw strength = LOL
wild hound
Haha
sonic zinc
i havent figured out sub in queen yet since the guilds i play with havent gotten her consistently dead yet
wild hound
So sub is better on multitarget?
sonic zinc
sub is better on council bc damage amp
wild hound
Ahhh right
sonic zinc
and is better p1 burst for queen imo
wild hound
Yeah makes sense
sonic zinc
since u can line up with roots
wild hound
That's cool, good to know!
Once I get bored just rolling assa I'll probably try to and pick it up a bit
wild hound
Dang haha, big
outer kiln
morning gamers, how should Assa sim for m+? patcherk 8 targets 2 minutes?
glass mango
ive been rocking 3 gear sets since xpac launch
Is sub ok with assa gear or best to wait till you can swap some out
sonic zinc
i dont stat gear for assa specifically
i mostly geared vers/mast for flexibility
between all 3
(like all my crafted pieces are vers mast)
glass mango
Ah that’s good should’ve done that lol
sonic zinc
ye i started out prio-ing sub gear since it was the most flexibile for all 3
kindred hinge
morning gamers, how should Assa sim for m+? patcherk 8 targets 2 minutes?
Simc
outer kiln
what does that mean? 😄
spice spire
morning gamers, how should Assa sim for m+? patcherk 8 targets 2 minutes?
Dungeon slice is fine
outer kiln
aight ty
balmy condor
dijon slice
vagrant tapir
Im a little confused by this line in the guide
You can't have more than one of your own directly casted garrotes on a single target right?
and death mark is only on a single target so the duplication is only happening once, on one target right?
blazing pumice
it means it is duplicating the empowered garrote
vagrant tapir
garrote is 18s, so its not refering to 2 applications of garrote concurrently
blazing pumice
that is doing 50% extra
rather than a 50% bonus garrote + a regular one on deathmark
vagrant tapir
Thats worded really oddly if that's what it means
cause you're just duplicating a garrote dealing 150% of normal garrote damage, not duplicating 2 garrotes
that sounds like it's saying you end up with 4 garrotes on the target
north spruce
i just started levelling my rogue, and im usnure about how deathstalkers mark work, in the sense that my target doesnt always lose a stack when im using a 5+ cp finisher. am i doing something wrong or what arent i understanding here
vagrant tapir
Or do you have a normal garrote up, deathmark which duplicates it, then vanish garrote and it doesnt overwrite your original garrote and then duplicates the new one?
snow kindle
i just started levelling my rogue, and im usnure about how deathstalkers mark wo...
What are you using to track it, and/or did you have darkest night up
north spruce
jsut looking at the targets debuffs. unsure if i had darkest night up, im on a dummy now and it consumes them as expexcted, but i noticed it on packs in a timewalking dungeon
would it be another target dying nearby that refreshes the full stacks onto my target?
snow kindle
If your target dies you will gain darkest night
quartz cloak
Or do you have a normal garrote up, deathmark which duplicates it, then vanish g...
It duplicates the current bleeds on ur target, it doesn’t snapshot so if you overwrite a normal garrote with an improved one while deathmark is on the target, it overwrites the normal one and you now have 2 improved garrotes on the target while deathmark is on it
snow kindle
The errors I’ve encounter are visual bug or it shows 3 deaths talkers mark, but I have darkest night on
north spruce
riiight i think i get it
vagrant tapir
It duplicates the current bleeds on ur target, it doesn’t snapshot so if you ove...
Right, that's my understanding of how it works
I'm just trying to square what I understood to be fairly straightforward
vagrant tapir
https://i.imgur.com/tKZTVdN.png
with this
bleak spoke
The errors I’ve encounter are visual bug or it shows 3 deaths talkers mark, but ...
or the target "died" and you lost the mark, there's also that one 
vagrant tapir
cause you really aren't duplicating 2 garrotes
you duplicate 1, you end up with 2 and they're just buffed by improved garrote
quartz cloak
Correct
snow kindle
or the target "died" and you lost the mark, there's also that one <:FeelsBadMan:...
I haven’t seen that if your target dies you should get the darkest night buff
vagrant tapir
I assume that the guide knows something I don't, and so that's what I'm trying to understand
vagrant tapir
if it's just a typo/error that's fine
quartz cloak
I see yeah
vagrant tapir
just trying to confirm thats what it is
north spruce
so does having darkest night up prevent you from consuming a stack of mark?
bleak spoke
often bugs out
bleak spoke
so does having darkest night up prevent you from consuming a stack of mark?
no, it just means your next 7 cp env will apply a new mark
winged sun
guys
quartz cloak
so does having darkest night up prevent you from consuming a stack of mark?
Yes, you have to consume darkest night with max CP finisher first then
winged sun
whats the embellishment called that doubles effects of embellished items
vagrant tapir
writhing
north spruce
right ok makes sense, cause i was making sure i was using 5+ finshes and my mark wasnt losing stacks i was so confused
vagrant tapir
Writhing Armor Banding
quartz cloak
right ok makes sense, cause i was making sure i was using 5+ finshes and my mark...
Usually you don’t want to apply a mark with ambush if you have darkest night up from a previous mob with long enough duration afaik
north spruce
ah ok
quartz cloak
Since consuming darkest night (max CP finisher), it will apply a fresh one
north spruce
im not tracking much atm i only started levelling, but used to be my main so yeah
still need to set up WAs and such
bleak spoke
imo just grab the weakaura that puts it on the nameplate
quartz cloak
Yeah I created myself a little WA to track it easier
mystic flower
!crafting
lone cairn
removed embellishment
north spruce
another q; what is it that in a pack, i am getting SO many cp refunds? is it a interaction between indiscriminate and shrouded sufo?
bleak spoke
this thing owns
vagrant tapir
it means they used the vanishing powder
dapper fractal
oo ok
bleak spoke
another q; what is it that in a pack, i am getting SO many cp refunds? is it a i...
bonespike auto casts on rupture
dapper fractal
so 2nd dagger is just crafted normally noithign special
north spruce
riiiight ok
bleak spoke
it's really really sick
north spruce
so much has changed since i last played lol (shadowlands)
quartz cloak
so much has changed since i last played lol (shadowlands)
Yeah it got improved a lot in dragonflight
north spruce
yeah
bleak spoke
indiscriminate carnage is passive etc
quartz cloak
I feel blessed to experience the smoothest assa iteration so far and enjoy it while it lasts haha
bleak spoke
yeah this iteration is really fun
a lot of the buttons you hoped would feel good in previous iterations of them are actually the ones that feel good in this version imo
i miss exsang, but i understand why we had to part ways. 
quaint hull
!wa
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dapper fractal
can iput any of this on offhand dagger?
or is that emblish
oh nvm
im stuoud
stupid
dapper dove
Any first Impression for assa on 11.0.5?
dapper fractal
radiant power is better for m+?
pure raptor
Any first Impression for assa on 11.0.5?
Wild
red cloak
anyone claiming this guy
dim yacht
how are fellow sin rogues doing in high keys? you guys running elusiveness or cheat
getting chunked by dots, wonder if i need to just start enchanting and gemming for vers
bleak spoke
i think elusiveness will be good in a bunch of places
cheat in necrotic wake for sure
dim yacht
siege is brutal
i think with elusviveness i can just barely survive one tick after the application on a 13
and im 628 gear
bleak spoke
if you're nelf meld will disjoint it
dim yacht
not nelf, but how does meld help
bleak spoke
it won't hit you
bleak spoke
it actually displays the same properties as, funnily enough, gpy
you can't vanish gpy mid air
but you can meld it
dim yacht
interesting
bleak spoke
you can actually vanish like
the frame it looks at you
to target
but it will pick someone else
bleak spoke
yeh
dim yacht
i just came out of a 12, and i had to have the healer dispel me first everytime
or im just gonna fall over and die. and like yeah ive got cloak/health pot
bleak spoke
priest and lock super good in that key
bleak spoke
i think flensing will be worthless soon
evasion wall
40% magic dmg coverage for 10s
is very very very veyr very good
dim yacht
its only 20 i thought?
bleak spoke
as a 2 minute cd to cycle slot in
dim yacht
or you mean with elusive
dim yacht
yeah
dim yacht
i just dont likeplaying elusviness, it feels like i proc cheat pretty often under circumstances that i cant control
bleak spoke
the coverage makes it very very good
yeah
i always think of it like this
if i die with elu
then i should have been cheat probs
but
sometimes it's the only way
dim yacht
yeah. i think in a perfect world where you make zero mistakes elu is better
but im not perfect
dim yacht
oh yeah
dim yacht
i remember that
dim yacht
my life would just be so much easier if i played a dwarf
bleak spoke
yeah
i was watching casual the other day
and he walked right onto his tank on the second platform
and yeeted him stragiht at the boss with dwarf
hilarious
dim yacht
lmao
i died on siege 11 earlier because this fucking dk wouldnt stop a ding back and forth
and got dispelled on me, fucking twice
STAY THE FUCK STILL
bleak spoke
you can ams every set
dim yacht
dk OP
dim yacht
i wish rogues just had a tiny bit more in their tree to give us a bit more survability
bleak spoke
for the application prevention
bleak spoke
btw on fiery ricochet
the bounce stops
at the immunity
so if you cloak
and it starts with you
dim yacht
oh nice
dim yacht
so if it targets you, just precloak?
bleak spoke
same as harlan knife on freehold thingy
supercloak
so wait for cast to almost finish
dim yacht
ah okay. yeah i get you now
bleak spoke
i think mages are CRAZY for not playing ice block in siege
dim yacht
how long does the super last?
sonic raft
Anyone can advice on what to ugprade with Gilded crests first in terms of Hero items? Is it trinkets, jewelry or something else? I have 636 weapon and 619 wrists crafted
dim yacht
mmm okay not to bad
rotund oak
i think mages are CRAZY for not playing ice block in siege
they do on tyr weeks afaik
dim yacht
Anyone can advice on what to ugprade with Gilded crests first in terms of Hero i...
are you getting mythic gear from vault
sonic raft
Yes
dim yacht
every week is a tyr week
rotund oak
but on high keys its both so
sonic raft
from next vault
bleak spoke
they do on tyr weeks afaik
mages are actually all gaslighting
rotund oak
rotund oak
yeah,im playing a mage as well
bleak spoke
the 4 points
you take
to get ice cold
are literally
competing with fast shimmer
blink barrier
like
it's SO crazy
i cannot believe
rotund oak
its whatever
bleak spoke
my eyes
bleak spoke
yeh
dim yacht
Yes
so just my opinion, dont quote me. but the way math is working out, you can fully upgrade your vault item and 15 crests left over each week. i think youd be better off saving the crests for another craft later. but if you were gonna upgrade, i think its also okay on a trinket you dont intend to replace (unless it shows up in vault)
bleak spoke
btw @rotund oak if you're raiding on mage, if you get fixates on ovinax and they cast into your ice block
it will despawn them
🙂
swift oak
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sonic raft
Alright thanks a lot Nate. I am considering crafting a 636 waist even though it cant be embellished
Since that is currently my lowest item (610)
dim yacht
yeah, theres nothing wrong with just crafting your lowest slot. in an ideal world sure we have a cloak and bracers, but thats your end game
i crafted a 636 chest cause it was a low piece and it has a lot of stats
bleak spoke
yeah,im playing a mage as well
i think the actual siege comp should probably be like rogue mage like the old days
rogue mage dk now
rogue mage dk resto sham prot war
or osmethin
rotund oak
or osmethin
yup yup
bleak spoke
frost mage is completely crazy btw
bleak spoke
dude like
https://i.imgur.com/pPUtd1v.png (if i didn't die on miniboss/scream guy pull before amarth, i would have fucking owned btw) like you see this
and you think
sure the mage did a lot of aoe
just like the dk and rogue
no
it's all single target baby
like he was hard carrying on the bosses
it's so crazy