assassination

[subtle tundra]

atleast i skip uni today to go to concert

[woven shore]

no!

[subtle tundra]

who needs to learn nosql

[woven shore]

time to do idk

farm the egg thing

or something

[limber lion]

You can only use them on DH and you unlock the tmog only if you do Black Temple timewalking after unlocking both glaives

[grim jay]

Id sim if I were you, crystal was better for me everywhere

[limber lion]

Would be sick to run em on rogue like back in cataclysm

[waxen oyster]

knife is better

[grim jay]

If he has one ye

Champion knife is already better than heroic m+ trinkets right?

[tacit otter]

Even 619 knife Sims better for me

[grim jay]

Alright, but still gotta have it

Its not like you can really grind it

[trail locust]

Grind maps

Get knife

[tacit otter]

Imagine not getting it on the first bountiful of the season

[waxen oyster]

aint no way im spending gildeds on trinkets rn

[waxen oyster]

its basically an overbudget stat stick

if you dont proc the negative during cds

[tacit otter]

Only 15 to 619 so whatever

[waxen oyster]

well meant to 626

619 is just runeds

[frosty vigil]

guys im still stuck with my Algari pvp weapon 610ilvl after all these weeks. Shall i craft another Everforged Stabber? Like i havent seen any dagger drop from any dungeon or hc raid....

[tacit otter]

Ah nevermind thought 616 to 619 was already gilded

[waxen oyster]

spam nightfalls for tinderboxes

obv

[dawn elm]

Heroic Bis trinkets are prob the only thing u wanna send glided on if ur raiding mythic

Out of heroic pieces that is

[tawdry sedge]

anyone knows how many glided crests you receive in each key? 8-9-10?

google doesnt help

[zinc frost]

12 timed 5 untimed

[tawdry sedge]

cheers

[sour citrus]

!

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[woven shore]

wait what

[woven shore]

how do i do that timewalk shit

[umbral sierra]

U can’t tmog glaives unless ur a dh

[woven shore]

wttff

[umbral sierra]

If u have both glaives

[woven shore]

why

IF i get both?

[umbral sierra]

U then do time walking tbc raid when it’s the time walking event (one time walking event a month and it rotates)

[royal lantern]

cus glaives are DH only

[umbral sierra]

Main hand and off hand

[sour citrus]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[woven shore]

soo

can rogues weild it or not

[umbral sierra]

No

[hushed maple]

Arent we supposed to Rupture everything in Keys?

[woven shore]

well

then fuck my ass

[umbral sierra]

Wield yes tmog no

[hushed maple]

Watching Kushen stream...he just doesnt give a damn and ruptures once and then just sends it

[woven shore]

all daggers but legions are ugly

but i cant solo it

[umbral sierra]

But no reason to wield them bc I lvl is gonna be like 20

[umbral sierra]

PvP daggers look so good, the red conquest daggers and the silver at 2100 rating

[subtle tundra]

if you play scent of blood you do 5 ruptures, otherwise you need to get enough bleeds for energy only

[sour citrus]

On craft gear, are we using haste/mastery? Or something else?

[frosty vigil]

so craft another 636 dagger or not guys?

[grim jay]

Ik was just curious as heroic knife is roughly the same as the myth track trinkets at 632

[grim jay]

No

[royal lantern]

offhand is the lowest priority slot

[frosty vigil]

ok thanks!

[umbral sierra]

Really? Even with mutilate hitting with both weps etc

[grim jay]

Who is kushen

Or do you mean kush

[hushed maple]

so cast it twice basically in Keys?

[tawdry sedge]

wait how do you unlock the silver version? do you have to hit 2.1k or you just need to buy and upgrade it?

[umbral sierra]

Must hit 2.1k rating in any rated bracket, solo shuffle, 2v2 3v3 rbg, solo blitz, and buy the tmog from the vendor for 5 marks of honor

[tawdry sedge]

omw

[woven shore]

do you see that

[hushed maple]

other question: Does the Echoing rep CPs also consume the 7CP buff?

[woven shore]

from dsm ?

yes

[hushed maple]

Darkest night it was called, right? Always forget names

[woven shore]

yes

[tawdry sedge]

yeah they do

[grim jay]

Looks like you got bad boots

[woven shore]

now does

[hushed maple]

ah..so I misplayed it a little..was forcing myself to 7CPs regardless

[woven shore]

you have no clue sir

[grim jay]

[woven shore]

madam ?

[grim jay]

Sir

[woven shore]

today we killed mythic sikram dropped the boots

626 gave it to Windwalker with same boots 619

i have 606

what can i say

[umbral sierra]

Iirc darkest night had a bug where if u used echo reprimand cp it didn’t count for the proc of darkest night but that was fixed

[woven shore]

now with my Skardyn

im gonna make that fucking raid explode

[umbral sierra]

lol loot council in retail

[full spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[woven shore]

[umbral sierra]

Rip

[grim jay]

But why dont you have 610 boots

Or 613

[umbral sierra]

conq boots will give u higher ilvl if you upgrade them to 619

[grim jay]

Imagine doing pvp for gear

[umbral sierra]

Legit, pvp has let me skip normal, heroic and m0 gearing and the worst gearing of all… fucking delves. and go right into +4s

[tropic grotto]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[woven shore]

not getting any

and im not doingdelves

useless shit

[umbral sierra]

700 conquest free 619 boots

[novel star]

loot council is based

[half wasp]

Yo, a bit dumb question but the new tea in .5 patch will be entirely passive, or the same as now just procs below a certain energy threshold?

[novel star]

latter

same + proc

[woven shore]

conquest?

you mean pvp thing

[half wasp]

pooling city then, ty for the answer ❤️

[hushed maple]

always has been

[golden loom]

hakkari warblades popoff

for some reason the cata revamp of ZG made them daggers instead of swords

those and kingslayers are only daggers that go on back 😎

[umbral sierra]

PvP ye, can’t talk much more about it here though gotta go to PvP chat for more info

[woven shore]

idk

maybe ill craft boots

[tawdry sedge]

one day the game will be so dead that blizzard will allow us to tmog into everything

[inner shard]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[grizzled fulcrum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dawn heath]

jesus pugs

keep inting my keys

almost bricked a 11

[woven shore]

almost

[dawn heath]

didnt know mages were squishy

[serene solar]

Being upset while still timing your key is crazy work 🙂

[woven shore]

looooooool

[naive pier]

can someone explain kingsbane and how to maximize its damage plx

[wild hound]

Is using an extra global to cast rupture or garrote (so getting it on 2 more targets) during IC opener worth it if we've already got bleeds on 5 targets? Or just send CT and mutilate and start spamming envenoms asap?

[dawn heath]

Can you make a shadowstep macro that shadowsteps to my target however if i mouseover friendly in party frames/raid frames it prioritises the mouseover

[hushed maple]

if you tell that line chatgpt it will cook Aljan

[royal lantern]

you use kingsbane on CD with envenom up, envenom needa to have a 100% uptime during it, if you play 2shiv charges you use the first shiv before KB and the 2nd when the first one endd, when you play 1shiv charge you use it at the last 6seconds of Kingsbane

thats all

use on CD, keep envenom up, use shiv

[dawn heath]

ait i just did

the caviat is

[subtle tundra]

shouldve played fire for caut
other things require pressing

[dawn heath]

i don't know if

i don't want to accidently mouseover the tank or something u know

i want it to only work on party/raid frames

dont know if that possible

anyway i will try see if i like it

[prisma tundra]

what about if there is downtime when kingsbane goes off cd for 10-30 seconds do u still pop it instantly and delay ur 2 min cd timer or do u save kingsbane for 45-30 seconds

[spice spire]

You’re so real for this king

[sharp viper]

/use [@mouseover,exists,noharm,nodead][@target,exists,nodead]Shadowstep```
this should do the trick

[grim jay]

Funfact everyone that skipped delves mightve missed out

Bcs of the knife

[true estuary]

My logic is Kingsbane has 1 min cd. I think its better to use cd and throw a shiv in, because if the downtime is 30-45 seconds youll have shiv and be 15 seconds untill kingsbane

Someone more minmaxing could correct me

15 seconds of no kingsbane seems more adequate than 30-45 with no dps at all

[grim jay]

Using is always better than not using

Especially if using it later will desync everything

[wild hound]

I think he's saying it's already desynced caused of downtime, and now he has to decide whether to use kingsbane now and then hold DM later, or just hold kingsbane until DM is up again.

[austere ridge]

Should I be maintaining garrote on 4 or more targets also or just rupture?

[prisma tundra]

ye at some point there will be a line drawn where holding vs not holding changes and im curious where that line is

if its 10 sec into kingsbane being up or maybe 30 seconds

[wild hound]

In AOE I usually cast garrote twice during IC (so it hits 5 targets in total) and then don't bother. But if rupture starts falling off i Vanish to reapply rupture, at Which point I usually reapply garrote too. On two targets yes you wanna maintain it always.

[wild hound]

Yeah also curious, good question!

[true estuary]

Also downtime is often due to mechanics or cooldowns. If mechanics - use it cos you may die. Last ditch dps is better than 0. If downtime due to cooldowns, would you prefer 30-45 seconds of auto attacks, or 15 seconds of autoattacks

[austere ridge]

Thank you so much

[wild hound]

No worries! I'm no expert by any means tho!

[true estuary]

Does the spread prioritize targets without the debuff, or can 2 garrotes affect the same targets, leaving some without debuff

[wild hound]

And just to clarify cause I might have written a bit unclear, by 2 targets I mean encounters where there's only 2 enemies, like the dudes before first boss in mist, or third boss in GB.

[austere ridge]

My other question is in aoe do I only mutilate once my main target then combo point generator is fan of knives until caustic splatter pops, reapply with 1 mutilate then repeat?

[spice spire]

Prios without

[austere ridge]

NW 3rd boss etc

[austere ridge]

Good name

[spice spire]

Ty mister Pepsi

[wild hound]

Yeah it hits targets without the debuff, so if there 5 targets they should always get it. But the range is relatively low so it's annoying sometimes early in packs when mobs are still a bit apart

[spice spire]

We’re missing max and we’re got the full set

[wild hound]

Yh exactly. In those encounters I try to keep garrote on both targets always. In 3+ I do AOE rotation instead

[hazy horizon]

if i have 619 dagger, i must craft 636 mh right ?

[austere ridge]

Do we fan of knives 2 target? Seen mixed answers for this

[sturdy path]

bubbling wax was nerfed again?

[dusty crescent]

WDYM?

[sturdy path]

it says item target item is too high again

[true estuary]

Omg omg omg. I strongly hope you troll rn

[turbid wraith]

Do you shiv before kingsbane if you only have one charge or in the last 6sec

[arctic socket]

Last 8 seconds

[turbid wraith]

was it always 8 seconds?

[umbral sierra]

What knife?

[true estuary]

Basically when you see the debuff half empty, go shiv

[umbral sierra]

Legit doubt my rogue was even 80

[sturdy path]

not trolling, i see on discord some people have the issue, some dont

[turbid wraith]

I dont have the issue for the wax

[true estuary]

So frustrating. My roleplaying mind was so happy something from pickpocket is useful again and they constantly bug it now

[turbid wraith]

do you still have to do the re equip thing

if you die

[royal lantern]

im 98% sure i had it proc even after i died

[fading hearth]

how do you decide which poisons to use?
I use Atrophy/Numbing, crippling, amplifying and deadly. But what about the others?

[past panther]

Those’re the only ones you should really consider in PvE

[royal lantern]

what others?

[fading hearth]

instant and wound

[royal lantern]

we dont have other poisons lol

wound is pvp (LOL pvp)

[spiral vapor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

instant is dogshit and idk why its even avaible for assa

deadly should replace it in the skillbar

[fading hearth]

thanks for the info!

[arctic socket]

Wound poison goes hard

[spring stream]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[safe ore]

When I have a DoT up on a target, does that DoT's damage change with my current stats, or do I have to max out my stats, and then apply my DoTs?

[true estuary]

Because if you, FOR SOME LOGICAL REASON, get dragon tempered, but not amplifying

[tacit otter]

buffs on dots apply dynamically. so dont have to reapply

[safe ore]

ty

[true estuary]

Has someone tried wound poison on Zekvir? I'm curious if there is something secret-special

[soft shale]

dont let him heal

also funnily enough wound poison is useful this week as outlaw/sub

because of the affix if you mess up

[true estuary]

Who is this "mess up" you speak of?

[young dust]

you mean the healer

[true estuary]

These words are meaningless to me

[tall atlas]

My aoe dps seems really inconsistent what’s the tldr of the rotation

I do ambush for ds if I have the buff then gar rup rup gar muti fok if needed then CT and then env spam

But that first part seems too long to me

[wispy epoch]

hey... does it feel like we take more dmg than our group members from non feintable attacks?

im constantly at like 30% when my team is like at 50-60% when we're not using our CDs on like an outgoing dot

[slate crown]

T3 helped but it’s a mix of t3 t2. Gotta start somewhere and that somewhere is t2, also guaranteed t3 crafts are often not even profitable, depends on market swing

[wet ruin]

Is CT damage amp dynamic or snapshot when cast

[wispy epoch]

amp, i dont think there's any real snapshots anymore

maybe on like feral

[spice surge]

Snapshot

IE if you CT on ovinax before the parasites die, it will still have the +100% dmg on the boss after the parasites die

[wet ruin]

yep thanks

[spice surge]

Which is why CT isnt nearly as much padding as you might expect on ovinax

[ocean stone]

hey guys is there any wa or macro to apply posions fast?

[vagrant schooner]

hi

Bubbling wax fucked again?

[normal mist]

It wasn't last night

[royal lantern]

and Singular Focus also actually does some good dmg on ovinax herself trought CT

F U N N E L is alive again

[normal schooner]

Hello fellow rogue gamers!

I would like to ask if anyone knows a good assa rogue video guide. I tried to learn the specc via method.gg but i am kind of visual learner and would appreciate it if anyone knows one.

Can anyone help me out? Last time i played rogue is 10 years ago so i would need a beginner guide with some advanced tips =),,

Thank you all for reading and helping ❤️

[royal lantern]

check Whispyr

he writes the guides here/does some TC stuff and also uploads some guides on YT

and the video titles are unhinged cus we are all idiots

[normal schooner]

awesome!! that´s what i need 🙂

i tried to look up on my own but there are so many guides and most of them are 2k io player or aotc gamer^^

[soft shale]

hey getting to 3k io is hard ok

even i myself im not above 2900

[normal schooner]

sorry i am just a 1k gamer 😦 don´t know anything 😦

[lethal wadi]

Guys we do finisher at +5 cp in assassination right?
And +5 means you can press finisher at 5 combo as well am i right?

[covert schooner]

Gonna ask a pretty specific question, Say I have all my cds, no SnD, I'm coming on a 7+ pack and it's only going to last lets say 8 seconds, do I Garrote, Rupture, SnD? or instead of SnD a small crimson tempest and get SnD later?

[worldly sail]

correct

[royal lantern]

5+ means "5 or more" yes

[inner swift]

is it worth droping some mastry to reach 10% verse? on 12s i feel like assa is so fucking squishy in pugs especially

[royal lantern]

in aoe SnD is low priority, get everything else up first cus they actually do dmg, if you somehow drop SnD

[grim jay]

Are you running elusiveness

[inner swift]

yeah

[royal lantern]

vers wont do shit then

[grim jay]

Do you use feint before you take dmg

[soft shale]

rogue wont survive a lot of things+

dont worry it is what it is

[covert schooner]

That's what I figured, ty

[royal lantern]

"vers as deffensive" is Overall a big cope thing

[grim jay]

In 12s its still somewhat fine

[soft shale]

we are already into 14s son

[worldly sail]

unless you are an outlaw with 40%

[grim jay]

But he said 12 daughter

[soft shale]

and extra stam

remember that?

[covert schooner]

I know theres changed to SnD, what procs it after 11.0.5 I dont remember

[royal lantern]

next Problem: you play outlaw

[royal lantern]

envenom/eviscerate/dispatch

[covert schooner]

Oh nice

[soft shale]

imagine not having aoe silences for every pull

also man this week sucks ass

[nova aspen]

yup

[true estuary]

The thumbnails too @balmy condor

[nova aspen]

shaman mandatory in every key this week it seems like

[royal lantern]

so no changes

[nova aspen]

well i wouldnt say they were mandatory in previous weeks lol

i still invited one though

xD

[royal lantern]

best thing about m+ is not playing it

good game releases happening

[nova aspen]

call of duty

[true estuary]

Silent hill 2

[nova aspen]

im considering d4 expansion but idk

really love pushing with rogue atm

[covert schooner]

They almost are ripping my money 😦

[soft shale]

idk dying to dots gets old after some time

[nova aspen]

i am getting ++11's with the guild group, did 3 last night

[soft shale]

wtb op healers

my friends already stopped playing the expansion kekw

[nova aspen]

we tried a 12 and got our cheeks clapped on first pull

[soft shale]

managed to do two 11+ before it ended

i did a sonevault 12

everyone was perma dying to the curse

it ticked for 1.9mil

[nova aspen]

we shall see if they are reasonable on tuesday

with the scaling multiplier being cut in half

[soft shale]

ngl playing with ret and bear does help a bit

you do notice the reduction also changing to atro

when numbers get so big

[nova aspen]

my group says they notice when i join them

with mind numbing

[dim yacht]

pretty sure thats already in

[nova aspen]

o really

[dim yacht]

they said 'later today', the 30 sec vs 20 sec was in for 11s, i didnt actually check on my 12 today, but im pretty sure the nerf on 12 is there too

[wispy epoch]

well-well-well @dim yacht

[nova aspen]

it said with next weekly maint on the title of the post i thought

[dim yacht]

nope, reread it

thats only for boss changes

[nova aspen]

i can't my work router blocks wowhead

[dim yacht]

i got you

[nova aspen]

ah ok

[nova aspen]

sick

[dim yacht]

since the buff duration is in, i think its pretty safe to assume the guile nerf is in

[nova aspen]

we attempted the 12 mists last night at like

8:30 pm?

eastern

[dim yacht]

why outlaw though

[nova aspen]

idk if it was in then

[dim yacht]

couldnt tell you

the only things that arent until tuesday is boss/dungeon specific changes

which is just some stuff for necro/stonevault

[nova aspen]

ye ok

might attempt more 12s this weekend then

[dim yacht]

ara kara and mists super doable, siege feels doable but gotta be on your a game, id assume dawn feels fine

[nova aspen]

and by 12s i mean ara or mists lol

yea or dawn

[dim yacht]

i mean obviously all doable considering top teams are on 14s, but for pugs at least

and if youve timed 2 12s with good 11 scores, youre in title range (for NA at least)

[nova aspen]

yea ive got a bit to go still

i have 3 ++11 and 1 +11

rest are +10

[dim yacht]

i feel like as far as pugs go, dawn, ara, mists, siege, and maybe grim are all fairly doable for pugs

probably city of threads too if your healer is a goat

necro might be a bit sketch and stone too, but theyre nerfed on tuesday anyway

[nova aspen]

yup necrotic and SV were my last timed 10s

i like SV though

dense pulls

lots of pumping

[dim yacht]

assuming skarm is cockblock for you on SV, i found a lot of success when i simply informed the group that my target switching is ass

and they should let me stay on boss

2 dps is more than enough to handle it

[nova aspen]

yea we actually had an ele sham solo the shards

on a 10

while me and the dk stayed boss

[dim yacht]

chad

[nova aspen]

i threw an occasional rupt out tho

[dim yacht]

worth it for energy

[nova aspen]

yea

dont think ill make an alt this season, prob just try pushing rogue till im burnt out

then find other games

[covert schooner]

I have 5 alts

Not fun with how many delves I gotta do

[nova aspen]

i was considering spriest or ww lol but idk

[subtle tundra]

fucking hate sv

[nova aspen]

i dont like the last boss of SV

its like

50% uptime

[subtle tundra]

oh yeaaaaaaaaa that too

completely unreasonable amounts of mechanics

[dim yacht]

its weird, its not a hard fight

[subtle tundra]

not hard mechanics

[dim yacht]

it just feels like shit

[nova aspen]

yyp

yup*

i feel like without shadowstep, the uptime would be even worse than 50%

lmao

[subtle tundra]

same 3 mechanics but they happen constantly

[dim yacht]

they just need to straight up make all the shit happen like

less than half as often idk

bm hunters having the time of their lives on that boss

[nova aspen]

in the post they increased the cooldown of one of the mechanics

not sure which one it was

[dim yacht]

the aoe circle

but im not sure that alone will be enough. will have to see

[nova aspen]

and nerfed his hp right?

[dim yacht]

10%

[nova aspen]

meh

id rather buff his hp by 20% but actually let us hit the damn boss

lol

[dim yacht]

fr

[nova aspen]

its prob an ok fight for ranged

but yea its not fun for melee

[wispy epoch]

B/C

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-one-piece-luffy-smile-smile-gif-23016281

i have a crippling gambling addiction

[bleak spoke]

every stonevault i play, my hatred for ranged players grows

[tall jay]

So, did I miss read something? They are changing ER and making it NOT have max CP on anima charge CPs? This is in line with the Tea no longer being usable just automatic? Is this good or bad?

[tall jay]

I agree, I just let them do their thing and let them “try” to carry me to victory lol

[nova aspen]

u misread it

tea is still activatable

[tall jay]

Ah ok

[nova aspen]

just now also triggers under 50 energy

bad for min/maxer's, good for casuals

and ER got deleted and replaced with something new

no longer anima charged CP

[spice surge]

They lowered it 30 energy

[nova aspen]

oh nice

to 30 or by 30?

[spice surge]

To 30

[nova aspen]

thats not too bad then

[spice surge]

Supercharger is just "your next finishers count as if they had +2 (or 3) more cps"

No hitting a cp minigame or anything

Just play regularly and do big dam

[tall jay]

Nice!!! I like it. Makes us even more “simple” to play

[subtle tundra]

uhhhh

bad opinion

df added stuff and now they actively remove it

womp womp

[royal lantern]

the tea change

is so bad

sooooo bad

who the fuck thought of forcing that down your throat

instead of making it a chose1 node

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[nova aspen]

i mean i dont go sub 30 energy anyway

[mild tiger]

Is there a list with all Assa debuffs? IDs would be even better! I am currently changing my plater profile and I want to get rid off some of the debuffs that are less important.

[wispy epoch]

god if tea was automatic

[nova aspen]

i dont even go sub 50% energy in aoe lol

[subtle tundra]

fym

[spice surge]

Like you're using it during kingsbane, so the cd is gonna come up during shiv/kingsbane anyway

So even if you do proc it

[subtle tundra]

in aoe youre not supposed to ever drop energy

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[wispy epoch]

that's what you keep 1 charge for always up

yeah

[subtle tundra]

probably gonna force use all charges asap now

[spice surge]

No

[wispy epoch]

anyone have a weakaura that alerts us if there's a dispellable enrage on a target and our shiv is up?

rn i only really use it on enforcers in GB

[spice surge]

30 is such a low number

If i check something like kyveza, im not hitting 30 energy until 2 minutes into the fight

[royal lantern]

then why is it not a chose 1 node when we have those for many stupid things

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[wide ferry]

Timed an 11 DB last night but my ST felt lacking, are we swapping to cleave build on everything 10 and up?

[cyan beacon]

probably a dumb question, but if I get popped out of stealth and can't cast ambush to get a death mark on my target, is the only way to put one up to instantly use vanish and cast ambush? or is there another way?

[spice surge]

Only vanish ye

[royal lantern]

tigerpalm auto dash didnt matter aswell

they still made it a chose node cus it was BS to play

and nobody plays it now

[spice surge]

This isnt BS to play

[cyan beacon]

ok, thank you. wish there was another way to apply it if something ruins your stealth opener

[rustic zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XvQGkzx97gDT3cWB#fight=16&type=damage-done may i ask for some tips? i think i'm doing a pretty bad job on pooling (i got also targetted twice by charge during deathmark sadly)

[winged sun]

halfway through NW

[tacit otter]

opener and rotation entering cds looks wrong, one quick thing

[nova aspen]

carrying ranged dps as usual

[winged sun]

nah the priest was just dogshit

depleted my key

blamed it on the evoker too

[wide ferry]

Run w 2 rogues bro get that leather stack

[young dust]

yeah numbing for the fortified and atrophic for the tyrannical

2 rogues needed every key

[nova aspen]

wat key level?

[dawn canyon]

is it worth to use crimsom tempest on ST?

[grizzled geyser]

no

[orchid pewter]

Doesnt matter if its worth, its illegal

[patent vessel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

[full dune]

did blizzard ilvl lock bubbling wax again ?

[limber lion]

Don't think so

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[static glacier]

i see the green class, its not natty

[full dune]

tried using it for a key now and it says target is to high ilvl

[grim jay]

It doesnt work for some

[nova aspen]

[grim jay]

But works for others

Not even kidding

[nova aspen]

they try to give us something unique

hah

[grim jay]

Crafted dagger

Ha

[nova aspen]

stabber

[outer summit]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[past panther]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[bleak spoke]

isnt' the reason no one plays it now partly because they literally removed it

[royal lantern]

yes, after they made it a choice and nobody ever wanted it

forced anything is bad

let me decide if i want to press buttons

[rigid tartan]

if Authority of Radiant Power sims slightly higher on 5 min patchwerk than Authority of the Depths for you.. would you choose it or go with Depths for raid setup?

[past panther]

Radiant because it’s just objectively better on anything 2 or more targets no? Are you only in for a few fights or the entire tier?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-cat-meow-gif-9406008167044251375

why maintenance on a friday

booooo

[past panther]

hot fix hot fix

[rigid tartan]

all of it, makes sense... but im not in for specific stuff im retired but mainly boosting heroic and a side project 1 day mythic on fridays

[hollow talon]

Why does the pin say Butt Stuff in bold

[grim jay]

It says buff

Not Butt

[slate crown]

this mf doesn't know

[grim jay]

[slate crown]

[hollow talon]

[past panther]

prob radiant unless you want other ppl to worry about multi

[grim jay]

Ye just radiant and be done with it. Its marginally worse in St and better with more targets

[rigid tartan]

i find it interesting that it sims slightly higher on 5 min st(0,1% margin of error basically) than depths for me

[past panther]

Robot never lies

[royal lantern]

depths=sim dps higher= better

more then 1target is padding

[woven shore]

Do you hear this?

Exactly
A rogue who got his trinket

[royal lantern]

GZ man

now get some rest

[woven shore]

I rested 5hours

Time to GAME

Crests dont farm themself

[arctic socket]

To be fair at a quick glance you can see that as butt stuff

[fast mural]

Does sin need a bit Vers to survive?

[regal cloud]

Hello dumb question but is spender at 7cp do more dmg than at 6cp cuz my tooltip stop at 6 for some reasons

[nova aspen]

no, feint busted

[reef oxide]

i think thats a tooltip bug

[brisk path]

I always cap myself on crests 2 days after reset and then there's nuttin to do

[royal lantern]

dumb question from my side

are you talented into having 7CP?

[reef oxide]

it normally shows you all the cp info as long as you have the talents for it

[oak tangle]

do the anniversary changes look decent enough that MA and subter looks good?,

that's pretty much the entire back end of a shiv window in KB now

[bleak spoke]

use long cloak for flensing knives (surely they will fix it soon so we don't have a defensive talent doin 2% dam)

the ctw proc from casting ambush on pull was not used, instead after you pressed snd you just hit muti, should be snd -> ER -> if you don't have enough to finish, spend ctw, if you do, env -> deathmark -> shiv -> kb, use ctw before it expires/before you proc TDN.

vanish with imp garrote/shrouded ideally should coincide with a TDN proc so you can get ahead on the next mark i think

second kingsbane is sloppy, should enter it with env -> shiv -> kb if possible, and try to cover the whole window with your shivs. when you don't have ER/deathmark etc for a kb window you really want to give yourself the most envenom buff uptime or it'll be pretty limp

second dm/third kb, you overlap your shiv windows and only get 14 seconds of it, whcih is like, fine tbh, or it would have been if you didn't cast a garrote for fun after the first shiv cast, ensuring that the buff would fall off before the meatiest hits

fourth kb, this is the one at 3 minutes that lines with ER, this one ends up working out

final set of cds: okay like so you start this with good planning, you hold the ER cast to align it with your cds, but then you press deathmark for fun before your kingsbane actually comes off cooldown by a whole seven seconds. had you not blown it early, your vanish, which comes off cd 7 seconds deep into the KB cast would have gotten a lot more value because you would have covered it. ideally you would have waited the whole time for your vanish to come up probably but like, i understand, boss was very dead on your screen and you had to go go go, but 100% even if that's the case you probably should still wait for KB before sending the deathmark in this situation. in a sense that didn't turn out so bad because lingering darkness lowkey bails you out a little in this situation, but idk

10 casts of fok, 15 CTW procs, probably not the best. there was a rupture cast at some point when you had a TDN, which i mean, i guess you had to refresh at that point, but probably that should have been the cast that acquired the proc, and not a wasted finisher

getting first set of lines is pretty rough, better luck next week

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-991789866523373942

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-wiggle-cat-wiggle-cat-black-gif-25712759

[arctic socket]

7cp will do more damage then a 6cp

[bleak spoke]

okay now that i've schizoreviewed a log are servers back up

[thorn fjord]

When did they go down? tf

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/E0IRHLI.png "scheduled"

[oak tangle]

no but they are on the way back, realm slection is open

[grim jay]

Tooltip bugged

[grim jay]

Indeed a dumb question

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grizzled fulcrum]

How are you guys surviving on +12 keys and above ?
Which weakauras are you guys using ?

[slate crown]

congrats

or, sorry that happened

[oak tangle]

i believe there is a webiste, notevenclose or something

will tell you what you shoudl do

[slate crown]

no

[oak tangle]

yes

[slate crown]

I just checked

or is logic inverted in austrailia

[kindred hinge]

When feint will be off global ?

[oak tangle]

in the lastm inute came up

[bleak spoke]

[slate crown]

god damn you're right

[oak tangle]

never sleep once realm selection is there

imminent login

[bleak spoke]

never sleep because sleep is the cousin of death?

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1242571043621830696/Spin_the_Pillow.gif

[grizzled fulcrum]

Thankyou

[slate crown]

ty for your service

[brisk path]

flensing knives is still not fixed?

[slate crown]

no it still gets applied when using long cloak

[oak tangle]

what is long cloak?

[crisp walrus]

Hey, probably wrong plac eto ask but is it possible to sim weapon consumables like whetstones, runes or oils etc?

[worthy surge]

!gear

[brisk path]

damn, I guess this will be my explanation when healer asks where did my cloak go

[slate crown]

They are selectable in the sim options section of raidbots under consumables

[slate crown]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[crisp walrus]

thank you! guess i just havent looked hard enough 🙂

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but how's gold making? im almost 14mil and going.Enchants,Engineer materials,Thaumaturgy for the most part and some LW crafting

[wide atlas]

Hello I'm reading 1.0.5 patch notes

Is this last change a removal of the envenom uptime?

[oak tangle]

no

[wide atlas]

Does it mean now I have to just apply a sort of debuff and all next envenom do 10% more

[oak tangle]

it's because envenom can stack

[crisp walrus]

Does it? 😮

[wide atlas]

so what does that mean

[oak tangle]

so 2 stacks = 20% instead of 10%

(assuming you take the talent)

[crisp walrus]

I thought using envenom with an already active buff just increased the duration? eli5

[oak tangle]

at the moment yes

in 10.0.5

[bleak spoke]

change to ttk

[crisp walrus]

ooohh

[wide atlas]

😮

[bleak spoke]

so you can acquire 2 env buffs

[oak tangle]

the talent to the right of amplifying poison lets envenom stack twice

[bleak spoke]

are there preliminary sims of it

[wide atlas]

So it's just a way to word it different so you don't stack but always get the same buff or not buff "10%"

am I right?

[oak tangle]

it's a way to word it, to mean that you can get 20% buff instead of 10

[wide atlas]

Oh so the Idea is allowing you to get the 20%,, my bad

[crisp walrus]

Why are you reading the 10.0.5 patch notes anyway

[wide atlas]

I thought they were removing the Time you are requiered to press envenoms tween each other

[manic quartz]

it's gonna work like ironfur

[wide atlas]

(https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-changes-for-11-0-5-ptr-build-56572-restoration-druid-and-rogue-talents-346620#news-post-346620) here

[oak tangle]

nah it now means you pump more inside cd's

[wide atlas]

I was linked from the class sets page

[crisp walrus]

oh mb thought it was 10.0.5, someone made a typo

[wide atlas]

Nice !

[oak tangle]

now we wait for sims and recommended playstyle changes for the TC's

[wide atlas]

🙂 Cool !

I tthought it was gonna be a nerf tto the playstyle but ended been the opposite

ty

[bleak spoke]

@balmy condor https://i.imgur.com/eZdu1Wr.png this lowkey makes the apl look crazy, like uh, what's goin on here

[royal lantern]

preparing for the next expansion where we have 10CP

[bleak spoke]

no like

so like it gains tdn from the envenom before darude muti storm

but instead of sending vanish ambush when it's clearly at 4 combo points

it sends another muti for fun first

like

what

[proven jasper]

You dont need to use cloak to activate it literally just selecting the talent gives you it

[bleak spoke]

like surely the sequence here would be muti muti vanish ambush envenom shiv --> [garrote if the final er is on 3][fok if the final er is on 5] ???

[iron ivy]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

Thanks, just had a stroke reading that

[bleak spoke]

that makes you and the apl both i guess

[grim jay]

Was about to say I'm a human form of apl

But dang thats actually not wrong

[soft shale]

yea we are all apls

ned to wake up always before going to sleep

many things in between

[grim jay]

And the things inbetween are all based on priorities

[rose wharf]

So Sin Rotation is pretty fun when Mobs live longer

So Sin Rotation ist a lot less fun when Bosses live longer

[grim jay]

If you dont like the ST

Then probably

[zenith tree]

Crafted Bracers last week then instantly rolled a pair of beetle bindings with a socket later the same day. That was fun

[rose wharf]

I'm too used to procc based classes in older Addons. I have to rewire myself to takea step back and wait it out.

[bleak spoke]

i like to spin my camera around to sate my adhd

it helps a bit

[nimble ether]

I do nelf flips

[soft shale]

you can do the oldie adadadadad

ovi nax egg min maxer

[candid hull]

Is it possible for deathstalkers mark to disappear from ansurek when she goes immune, and we don't get darkest night?

[soft shale]

yes

get DN before putting mark on add

same in court

[candid hull]

Wait so we don't get the buff

If a mob goes immune

Sadge

[gleaming crown]

Is there a list of what u can avoid with cloak and what with evasion in M+?

[past panther]

not enough

[zenith prairie]

Isn’t it just rot spew for evasion

[bleak spoke]

rot spew? you mean like in necrotic wake?

[pliant remnant]

[winged quail]

I like running the VV cleave build on Ansurek because it opens up Vanish to be used to apply the mark if you miss it

[spice spire]

Supercloak also works on rot spew

But that’s a timing thing

[winged quail]

never had issues cloaking rotspew

[spice spire]

The first boss?

[winged quail]

didn't know it could hurt you now watch me die to it

[spice spire]

If you don’t get the first second of cloak

It doesn’t work

[winged quail]

played SL and somehow never learned that

[spice spire]

SL cloak worked

[winged quail]

ah fair

[spice spire]

It does not this tier

[winged quail]

it's like sikran cleave then

annoying

[vague dagger]

any more mechanics thats dodgeable by using cloak >1sec except blightbone?

[spice spire]

Sikran cleave

Probably a few tbh

[sick snow]

Does anyone have a poision applying cast sequence macro or is it not possible?

[rare token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel dragon]

Would putting Ascension on both crafted daggers essentially be the same thing as having it on one then putting the writhing band on a piece of leather?

2x ascension embellishments vs 1x ascension with another embell that just doubles it?

[worthy surge]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[woven shore]

Did you really wrote all this?

[bleak spoke]

it looks at the target while castin it, so do a little wiggle strafe and cloak if he wiggles back durin the cast

[woven shore]

Rogues are really crazy

[modest nexus]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[bleak spoke]

man servers were down for maintenance

[feral fox]

does anyone else feel that the animacharges from echoeing reprimand arent as potent as they say they are

[woven shore]

I payed 300k gold for my fucking trinket kid

😡

Thats what i was willing to do

[pliant remnant]

I'd pay that

[woven shore]

XD

Ofc you would

[pliant remnant]

I'm 36 runs in

[coral ibex]

300k for hero skardyn is wild

[pliant remnant]

Not seen it once

There is no light at the end of the tunnel

[woven shore]

Bc i feel like these Tentacle rape monsters from grim batol were starting to oneshot me with their mind control bullshit out of my Monitor

[pliant remnant]

[high walrus]

didn't they fix not being able to apply bubbling wax

[still snow]

Hi all, where can i watch some usefull macro

[past panther]

i just want to get rid of my transmitter

[woven shore]

Alt f4

[past panther]

it feels so bad to use during cluttered raids

[high walrus]

Update Oct 2nd:
Can now be applied to all weapons again, unsure about any bugs being fixed or other changes as of now

[past panther]

Worked for me last night

[high walrus]

it worked for me like 1 hour ago

lol

[bleak spoke]

wait @spice surge you weren't kidding about TTB 💀

[woven shore]

#shadowtooltip
/Cast alt (#whenyouarelosingit)
/Cast f4 (#onmaintarget)

[dapper cradle]

oct 22 changes are gonna go so hard

smell ya later SND

[pliant remnant]

SMD SND

[bleak spoke]

the war is finally over

[gleaming crown]

Also evasion or only cloak on last second?

[nimble ether]

I wonder which ability I will bind to where snd once was

[high walrus]

what are they doing to snd

[nimble ether]

360 juul flip

[nimble ether]

They’re making it so envenom gives you snd instead of just adding time

[dapper cradle]

kinda lame that it still won't be up for the first few globals

[nimble ether]

So you don’t have to press snd at all just env

[dapper cradle]

since we envenom a bit later

but I guess it won't be any diff than live

banger for outlaw though, you get it from opening CS

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/9qOnbsP.png

SO TRUE, PAST ME

[nimble ether]

Looking forward to not having to use a weak aura that pop up anytime I enter combat telling me to use it

[spice spire]

Only cloak

Evasion is fine

[spice spire]

Bald

[nimble ether]

When I close my eyes I can see ❌SLICE AND DICE❌

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/9g4rcp5.png @royal lantern we've been fighting this war together for so many years

[spice spire]

Only reason I want snd in

[frigid pilot]

Yo boys

[spice spire]

Is for the tryan memes 🙂

[dapper cradle]

remember the WoD SND passive?

we just got baseline SND in sin spec

that shit banged so hard

[frigid pilot]

Is there a tool that shows when each raider is using offensive cds on the same page, without having to filter for each one individually?

Obviously logs/lorrgs I can do it manually but just to speed it up

[bleak spoke]

it's really crazy that

blizzard from the starting line of slands beta

speedran the history of rogue class design

by making every single decision they made historically along the way to arrive at the moment where they're about to yeet this dogshit finisher

unbelievable

[royal lantern]

@bleak spoke mate, my SnD rants where 1 of the reasons we got the SnD role icon, ask @spice spire

[frigid pilot]

Snd is iconic

[night smelt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

An iconic shit

[frigid pilot]

People want rogues to be the new bm hunter

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/igDcoE5.png

thanks for answering in my place, past me

[royal lantern]

ye its kinda funny

like, we went from "SnD exists again" to "SnD CttC exists now to extend it" to "SnD is pointless now and nobody wants stoo usse it anyway, so we make CttC for all 3 specs" to "we basically remove it"

[novel dragon]

wait why are we taking 2s longer cloak?

[royal lantern]

literally the first 15years of Rogue and SnD in 4yearss repeated

[royal lantern]

we dont

[bleak spoke]

because it's giving us 2% dmg in single target for no fucking reason

[royal lantern]

ye normaly we dont

but, the 2s cloak is bugged

and gives a removed talent

[bleak spoke]

which is completely fucked because the other talent is great

[royal lantern]

so its technically a dps gain

cus of a bug

[dapper cradle]

SND is 50% of the classic rogue rotation

classic andys be like "this is really good"

[nimble ether]

Lolol why rogue so buggy

[royal lantern]

its not just rogue

the real war within is inside the code

cus holy shit is TWW buggy

[nimble ether]

At least we get a bug that increases our damage rather than reducing it lol

wasn’t there a bug recently which caused envenom to stop our autoattacks

[novel dragon]

Is the bug when cloak is active:? or its just a flat 2% when you have that talent

What's the actual bug- like do we know what it's doing? Or we just see the data that people with that talent do 2% more

[nimble ether]

Someone said it causes a removed talent to activate

Not sure of the specifics

[royal lantern]

the talent was "mutilate does more dmg against marked targets" and then got replaced with the 2s cloak

but if you take the 2s cloak

mutilate still does more dmg against your marked target

as if the OG talent was not removed

yes, its really fucked

[royal lantern]

like, take it, mark a dmg dummy and hit mutilate a couple times

and then check details

for flensed blades or smth like that

just a additonal dmg proc

[bleak spoke]

NEVER ASK:

😱 what actually happens in the first second of cloak 😱
😱 how many times you actually vanish when you press vanish 😱
😱 where is the 1% max hp healing every 3 seconds 😱
😱 what does virulent poisons buff 😱

alright i could keep going and going but like

i'm no longer entertained

[royal lantern]

i like how recoup worked for like

2 weeks

and then broke again

[novel dragon]

Might have been fixed I'm on a dummy and there's no flensing blades

[bleak spoke]

do you have snd on

[novel dragon]

oh shiesse

no

[royal lantern]

oh ye, you needed SnD active aswell

[novel dragon]

There is is. Thanks. Yikers

[royal lantern]

[willow falcon]

is wax still bugged where you have to reequip the weapon after you wipe?

[spice spire]

NEVER ASK A ROGUE:

😱 what actually happens in the first second of cloak 😱
😱 how many times you actually vanish when you press vanish 😱
😱 where is the 1% max hp healing every 3 seconds 😱
😱 what does virulent poisons buff 😱

[golden loom]

oh shit gilded crests drop from +8s now?

[quasi stump]

yeah

[royal lantern]

nope

[quasi stump]

bad news is you still have to do the S1 dungeons for them

[royal lantern]

even worse

you play m+

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-scared-hug-gif-24999571

[golden loom]

I don't but now if I do I might get rewarded

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-shaking-head-fisheye-lens-gif-25374523

[raven halo]

would you upkeep crimson tempest on a boss ST?

[fading patrol]

how many target should we typically apply garot too?

[tawny junco]

I'm gonna miss echoing reprimend

[spice spire]

During mod

Momentum of despair*

[turbid crest]

Hey guys what is WAX ?

on daggers

can u post a screen or something

[deep gyro]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[raven halo]

thank you!

[spice surge]

Well no, its about the same as shrouded and dashing

[fading patrol]

how many target should we typically apply garot too?

[tulip fern]

Spam the living shit out of it on pull, then basically just main target once it falls off afaik

[fading patrol]

ah okok but if we dont have Indiscriminate Carnage

[dapper cradle]

pretty open minded ability fr fr

[coral ibex]

it has a 6s cd so just keep it up on your spatter target

[dapper cradle]

imagine if it was Discriminate Carnage

[wanton swan]

authority of depths or radiant power? one of each? or on both?

[fading patrol]

i wont have energy regen with 1 target no?

[tulip fern]

ruptures for energy

wanna keep at least 5 of those up if possible

[fading patrol]

okok tyy

[slim pebble]

I've been doing pretty well overall in keys, but I realized that Im not FOKing enough

At all lol

[near canyon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[coral ibex]

you should have 5 ruptures out

[austere ridge]

do you crimson tempest single target?

[slim pebble]

No

[austere ridge]

thank you xoxo

[slim pebble]

I know these things typically require a lot of context, but should we be beating frost DKs in keys?

[dapper cradle]

you answered your own question in the first half of it

[slim pebble]

True

[fair viper]

Hello friends, I've got a question about a delve trinket. The Spelunker's Waning Candle, does that sim higher than it's supposed to?

[uneven summit]

bubble wax cooked agaqin?

[deft garden]

seems to be rng whether it works or not

[fair viper]

Sims have it giving 6.7k crit, while it says 2.9k in game, at 619 ilvl

[uneven summit]

gg

[tawdry gulch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[violet ore]

can i replace the mutilate keybind in stealth with ambush straight up?

is there ever a reason to mutilate over ambush, i can't think of one

[coral ibex]

the button is replaced automatically

or is that only blindside

[sudden swan]

That's blindside procs

[violet ore]

think thats blindside

[spice spire]

yes - but since we have deathstalker's mark

no

so like

without dsm

mut does more dam

so sure

but

we have dsm

and there's no point in having mut on stealth bars

[modest tree]

Question, I've just started wow again,
In AoE, when garrote from stealth finishes (and vanish on cd), do we just apply it to the primary target?

[violet ore]

ye, ty

[spice spire]

originally iirc it did change across the board but there were gains for mut from stealth so removed not 100%

[violet ore]

just wanted to make sure

[spice spire]

yeah that's fine

[modest tree]

And also - I'm definitely missing something re indiscriminate carnage and how it works

[modest tree]

Lovely, thank you !

[spice spire]

from stealth and for 6s after (due to talents) it spreads to two other mobs

so if you open with garrote > garrote

you'll hit 5 mobs total (it has smart targetting)

[modest tree]

Ah - so it doesn't spread it in general?

[spice spire]

no

[modest tree]

Got ya, thank you

[spice spire]

only from stealth and stealth effects (imp garrote, subt, etc.) but for now we just run one

[modest tree]

Ideal, ta. DPS has gotten a lot stronger since being on the dummies but just thought I'd check as if it's a long pull it obvs gets a bit frustrating

[spice spire]

yeah no worries

if you have more questions

don't hesitate to ask

kinda the whole goal of the discord

[fair viper]

Would you help me clear up my question from a bit earlier? 😄

[modest tree]

Much love ❣️

[spice spire]

sure homie

I must have been away

let me see

[fair viper]

All good, thank you! ❤️

[spice spire]

sims are accurate

was that the one?

[fair viper]

Ya

So Spelunker is secretly OP?

Simming way higher than both Spyglass and Sacbrood

Cause I have it on hero path

[spice spire]

well yeah that's just ilvl

a lot of the trinkets from delves are very good

they just kinda get capped on ilvl

[violet ore]

a lot of times trinkets and even gear like that sims higher than expected because it can fix your stat distribution

for an example if you're really low on crit then it's gonna sim higher than if your secondary stat disposition is good

you can try simming it with different rings with more crit to see what sims the best overall

[fair viper]

So I just got really lucky then? xD

[violet ore]

i'm not saying its the case but it definitely can be sometimes

[fair viper]

Makes sense

[violet ore]

but if your sacbrood is low ilvl i wouldn't be surprised

[fair viper]

It's 619 xD

Just running sim again so I can show you

[violet ore]

yeah then your crit might be in shambles

yeah would be good to see a sim

[fair viper]

I'm at 15.3k crit with double oil

[violet ore]

thats pretty high crit tbh

[safe pasture]

i need more haste? for raid

[violet ore]

i'd say yes, prob bit lower crit and more hsate

[iron carbon]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[iron carbon]

@safe pasture ^

[safe pasture]

thx all 🙂

[violet ore]

@fair viper for me even on 626 it's a loss

so might be an issue of something else in your case

[fair viper]

5T 2min
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9KvsJ5dYiAhg44yYZdTcv

1T 5min
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iSue7su159eoPpPeiFWHD5

[fair viper]

Mine is hero path though

[violet ore]

ye hero track max is 626

[fair viper]

ST sim is still in hybrid m+ build

[violet ore]

ah aoe it sims better for you

that makes sense kinda

i would not equip shit based on aoe sims alone

80k on 5m dps is nothing

[fair viper]

Nono

I always do both

But only 4k from Sacbrood at same ilvl

[violet ore]

doing aoe sims IMO is good just to understand how your class and trinkets work

[fair viper]

Kinda sus

Kinda new to simming thoroughly ^^

[violet ore]

yeah i mean candle is good its not bad

[fair viper]

So just trying to figure everything out

[violet ore]

but if you have the sac definitely use it

[woven shore]

can i use two on use trinkets

transmitor

[violet ore]

no

[woven shore]

okay

fuck

[fair viper]

Will do, thank you so much for all the help!

[violet ore]

you only want an on use to align with your deathmark so

@woven shore maybe like on-use + mandate is usable but there's better trinkets

generally a passive trinket + steroid trinket is best cuz most of your dmg comes out of your CD window

[woven shore]

okay

xd

[violet ore]

that's a great trinket setup :D

[woven shore]

bought it for 300k

and next week im fucking Sikrim on mythic

with this power boost

well i thought i oculd use

transmitor and batol trinket

the princess trinket sucks

[pliant remnant]

[woven shore]

no real dmg

😡

[violet ore]

nah the princess trinket is great

it's basically a sacbrood

+-

[woven shore]

but better

in theory

15k

is insane af

[odd ingot]

!wa

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[violet ore]

for me sacbrood sims better

[grim jay]

we dont sim 5T for m+ anyways

[violet ore]

yeah simming aoe is bait

[lime light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

do your 5 target patchwerk sim as dungeonslice

thats how you sim rogue

for m+

[fair viper]

Ah, thank you!

[grim jay]

np, dungeonslice is optimized for rogue and it simulates a mix out of multiple pull sizes and bossfights

[fair viper]

Makes a lot of sense 😄

[cursive sun]

Yo - was there something where if you had a crafted weapon you could get upgrade with the other weapon for free if you put in in OH and logged out or something?

[woven shore]