assassination

[jolly heath]

weird you should have enough time

[young dust]

yeah never been an issue, are you lusting on pull?

[unique heart]

i think we are

i get 2nd shiv off

and then in shadow realm

[earnest remnant]

had to find it in the vod

[young dust]

right perpendicular to the middle triangle

this always works?

[earnest remnant]

they always shoot out the same way

[young dust]

Great

[earnest remnant]

its why you play this boss in a very very specific way

[young dust]

Those are nice tips

Thank you!

[earnest remnant]

this is how you do first charges (unless you are liquid)

[young dust]

Yeah we'll do the same

[earnest remnant]

and thats how you would do balls

[young dust]

i see the fight as a clock, first charge you skip 20min on the clock

[earnest remnant]

on that set

[young dust]

second charges you skip 30min

[earnest remnant]

in my brain its just

1st charge "clockwise+skip 1 mark"

2nd charge "across the middle"

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/cymbals-monkey-brain-the-simpsons-homer-empty-head-gif-15689692

[earnest remnant]

but yeah with the ball debuff its basically just always right of your drop point looking at middle and then back

[young dust]

Lmao just checked logs, subs arent eating good in this boss as well

[waxen oyster]

no spec is

[woven shore]

mage from liquid looked fine

fireup

[young dust]

oh the exploiter

[woven shore]

yeop

[keen viper]

Is there a % cap on the stats?

[woven shore]

Max go on someone else stream

XDDD

[earnest remnant]

not one you should ever worry about

[runic hinge]

100% probably

[young dust]

not really but i had so much haste that it started to weigh me down

[waxen oyster]

i have like 9.5k haste

[woven shore]

same

[waxen oyster]

5k is the sikran neck

[young dust]

just avoid two haste rings+neck if possible

[waxen oyster]

[woven shore]

yea

that shit crazy

got it week 1

with socket

[waxen oyster]

639 neck

[woven shore]

ouh

626 here

asshole

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean its more stats

[young dust]

I dont have it but im happy with my skardyns 626

[waxen oyster]

yeah stuck in transmitter jail

[viral apex]

Hey for M+ how much haste should one have?

[waxen oyster]

doesnt matter

[viral apex]

ok

[waxen oyster]

haste makes your dots tick

[young dust]

5k to 11k or some bullshit like that

[earnest remnant]

i have 1k haste

we are not the same

[flint siren]

Haste means more Hunt Them Down procs! :3

[young dust]

either the wrong neck or no tier set

[earnest remnant]

more haste means less of other stats which means less big envenom numbers

[young dust]

i have a warlock friend so pissed off about huge envenoms

[earnest remnant]

[young dust]

like his chaos bolt isnt doing the same damage

[waxen oyster]

stealthi showing off his

sub refugee gear

[soft shale]

happens

[young dust]

that ring dood

[earnest remnant]

nah thats my actual sub gear

[young dust]

fuck you

[earnest remnant]

my stats on assa in raid

[waxen oyster]

surprised you didnt send the helm to 639

before trinks

[earnest remnant]

before i send crests this week

[earnest remnant]

got the head waaaay later than the trinkets lol

[waxen oyster]

fair

im not sending gildeds on hero unless its my last thing

[young dust]

Yeah no way

[earnest remnant]

this thing is lying with my haste

thats with haste from chaos pot

[young dust]

only sikran necklace and/or rings

[earnest remnant]

im playing sub on the last two bosses in the raid anyway

[waxen oyster]

i still laugh at the sheer amount of haste

[soft shale]

im saving crests in case i want to purchase shoulder and ring

[waxen oyster]

sikran neck has

[earnest remnant]

so no point in giving me assa gear

[soft shale]

iirc you only played assa on ovi right

on prog

[young dust]

is sikrans neck bis on sub as well?

[soft shale]

nope court one is

[earnest remnant]

i played assa on first 4 during prog

[soft shale]

but still

[young dust]

i heard you want 0 haste

[earnest remnant]

cuz i had no transmitter

[soft shale]

ah yea sad days i also dont have

[sudden brook]

Sub bad

[earnest remnant]

but princess and court i played sub

[soft shale]

yea quite bad

[earnest remnant]

and on ansurek im playing sub ass well

[tawdry sedge]

the fuck is going onwith wax, yesterday i could apply it today i cant

are they shitting me?

[waxen oyster]

how much was your boe ring anyway

[earnest remnant]

0

[soft shale]

think they farmed it

[earnest remnant]

dropped in raid

[soft shale]

when it was bop

[earnest remnant]

nah it dropped last night during reclear

YOINK

[soft shale]

oh that is fire

[young dust]

someone did a git push --force on blizz and reverted

[sudden brook]

Uh idk

[soft shale]

we ahd some farms going on but not much luck

[sudden brook]

WB bank > random server

[soft shale]

only got mail and play

[sudden brook]

U can get boes on the cheapest server

I paid 1m for my socketed leahter belt

[waxen oyster]

true

[sudden brook]

Probs gonna buy ring when its like, 1m at most

[soft shale]

yea cheapest link for leech BoEs https://www.wowpay2win.com/?tier=nerub-ar-palace&region=eu&boes=225722,225723,225728&ilvlRange=629,638&tertiaries=41

you can take leech off if you want vanilla

[drifting cloud]

wait this website still exists

[soft shale]

belt is already down to 400k

[drifting cloud]

good old nyalotha

[sudden brook]

https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1829652849992876141

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5) on X

Bold prediction for rogue specs this tier

Sin/otl good on everything
Sub secretly op
Sin/otl get nerfed
Sub game breakingly broken on final 2 bosses.

Twitter · Aug 30, 2024, 10:50 PM

[sudden brook]

socketed

[soft shale]

you can also filter by socket

[earnest remnant]

yeah pretty accuarte

just not the broken part xD

cuz god damn we blow

[soft shale]

where was the gif

it is immemorial

[earnest remnant]

i was very surprised that sub did not get a single target buff

but it was prolly due to HC numbers

which is fair i guess?

[sudden brook]

Bro I been saying rogue needs like an 8% buff

[rotund oak]

then why be surprised fam

[sudden brook]

Non ironic 8%

[soft shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/823082725296701450/ezgif-3-662cd802c0f4.gif?ex=67097045&is=67081ec5&hm=2b6b46272b433a861f64554e5d5f0b88e18e731b7c60281002100636f663b149&

there we go

[sudden brook]

WE need this gif at not 5fps

[soft shale]

knew i had it somewhere

[earnest remnant]

im playing lost ark

i dont care anymore

[soft shale]

sorry it is from 2017

best you get

[earnest remnant]

quitting wow ong

[sudden brook]

[earnest remnant]

anybody wanna be the method guide writer?

[soft shale]

first oxi now stealthi

smh

[silk bane]

did u buy the ring or do i get to hate you cuz im jelly?

[soft shale]

he posted above NATTY DROP

[earnest remnant]

you can hate me

[rotund oak]

idk u should play wow,u got a good rogue to aim to kick his ass(yes its guy)

[stark sequoia]

wc

[earnest remnant]

if i wanted to beat guy, id just guild hop

to a higher wr

but i dont wanna

[rotund oak]

he is rly good

doubt it would be that easy

[earnest remnant]

he is not me tho

im him

[runic hinge]

He’s as cracked as he is jacked

[earnest remnant]

i am THAT GUY

he is just guy

[rotund oak]

MAKE THAT HAPPEN

[earnest remnant]

raccoon > beanie

just saying

[rotund oak]

nuff yapping,be the best u can be

[earnest remnant]

nope

i aint dipping from my guild

too comfy

[rotund oak]

so much potential

[waxen oyster]

i have myth shoulders with avoidance

and myth ulg belt

so the boes kinda

[earnest remnant]

?

[waxen oyster]

hey stealthi

hope you || have a good one ||

[grim jay]

Enjoying things is more important than some rankings

[soft shale]

yea that is how i cope with sub in m+

[rotund oak]

that doesnt apply to stealthi though,the man farms logs

although i would agree

u can do both btw

[soft shale]

SURELY i would do 400k+ more dps as assa

but how about

[grim jay]

There are many really good players in general that are at low WR, that would waste their potential in that sense

Even with high logs

[earnest remnant]

in my current guild, i get to not do splits so i dont have to any alts
i only raid 3 days a week instead of like 5-7

[drifting cloud]

@earnest remnant less typing, more msq

[earnest remnant]

win in my book

[grim jay]

Did that for some keys, it kinda is fun ye, even with the lower number

[earnest remnant]

im doing both bish

[waxen oyster]

tbh its quite comedic

how much vers mast drops in this raid

yet sub rn is

[soft shale]

in the end we still will have like 6 crafted pieces

[waxen oyster]

hmm?

[soft shale]

i already crafted neck because court one refuses to drop too

[grim jay]

Based af ngl

[waxen oyster]

craft dagger and bracer?

[soft shale]

dagger wrist head ring neck if unlucky

i skipped ring and head to craft neck

[waxen oyster]

get lucky and pull arakara helm from vault

clearly

[rotund oak]

engineer head with vers on it and grenade tinker for maximum m+ fun

can that be a thing?

[waxen oyster]

i like using the caustic bombs

in raid

since they disorient friendlies too

[rotund oak]

yup

thats trol

😂

[soft shale]

there are no dmg tinkers this expansion

only one from the last one that cn drop from max engi on tinker

and they all suck

[rotund oak]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

was there even a nade trinker in df

[soft shale]

no you only had the board

and it shares pot cd

[earnest remnant]

pretty sure we are the highest ranked guild in the world without splits (which is like being the champ of paralympics)

[soft shale]

offensive one

[waxen oyster]

there was the weird dragonbreath tinker

[soft shale]

it did shit dmg

still does

[waxen oyster]

ik

[soft shale]

and also shares cd with offensive pot

to make sure you never use

it ever

[waxen oyster]

i feel blizz only likes engy

for wormholes

[young dust]

did you try assa on kyveza after buffs @earnest remnant ?

[simple violet]

how important is it to stay above 50% energy? And if so, does anyone have a weak aura to assist with it

[soft shale]

the perma pot is cool

[young dust]

looking good on logs

[waxen oyster]

loktark needs to take back

his r1

[earnest remnant]

nah

[waxen oyster]

you know what's the longest lasting troll item

in raids

swapblaster

runner up is using jaina's locket on a warlock closet

[young dust]

i like to ruin tries with atomic recalibrator in the middle of the boss

[grim jay]

Ye im pretty sure you guys would be decently higher if you had 1 or 2 more days aswell, but imo unnecessary. Time is limited and you are doing great anyways

[rotund oak]

this is some wild narrative ngl

[waxen oyster]

actually

what happens if an alli mage drops a portal

can a horde player take it

if faction city

[serene solar]

Guys I timed my highest key so far xD

[grim jay]

15s left

Bro cut it close

[serene solar]

1 more death

and we were cooked

[grim jay]

Had one where we had 9 minutes left after killing the blob boss

And people inted so hard

We didnt time it

I was only there for weekly tho, not that I cared

[serene solar]

Dude those keys make me wanna cry

11mins left on final boss of GB and we bricked

[waxen oyster]

on what level

[rotund oak]

[serene solar]

Mostly cause the healer got a bres and instead of taking it while the boss was getting low he was flaming the tank

[grim jay]

Imo last boss got kinda chill

[rotund oak]

u stepped on tendies too much or what

[grim jay]

Thats degen

Af

[serene solar]

The GB was only like a 9 i think

[waxen oyster]

ouch

[hardy prairie]

GB is cursed

[rotund oak]

thats.. special

[hardy prairie]

i was doing an 8 with a team of 2.5k+ players and 2 dc'd

[runic hinge]

its about shopping carts

[serene solar]

I was so mad man... Like just stop typing and accept the bres. We lived for maybe 15 seconds while he was sitting on the bres and then died

he was all caps calling him an idiot and everything.

[serene solar]

He stood close to the adds spawning and blamed the tank for not grabbing the adds

[waxen oyster]

oh sap

i found a pally in lfg

[rotund oak]

thats rly cringe

[waxen oyster]

with grievous glad title

[rotund oak]

yes?

and?

i killed joe twice yday

on his war

[waxen oyster]

I forgot people with those still played

[rotund oak]

ah lol

hahaha

[waxen oyster]

he had my plate taste

blue smold sword with sinful flame

and t3 war

[grim jay]

Who shadowpinged me

[waxen oyster]

does joe still rage

all day

[rotund oak]

like a mfker

but he's a good guy

[grim jay]

Who is joe

[rotund oak]

funny times on discord

[waxen oyster]

hes not even funny rage

[rotund oak]

eating chips

[waxen oyster]

like rat

[rotund oak]

most pvpers do that man

[simple violet]

how important is it to stay above 50% energy? And if so, does anyone have a weak aura to assist with it

[balmy condor]

It’s important to stay under 50%

[grim jay]

[waxen oyster]

idk rat's commentary is just

entertaining

he freaks out at people inting

so much

[grim jay]

You guys are talking about people ive never heard of

Ngl

[rotund oak]

rat is basicly a commentary dude,love him as much as bicmexicano

both amazing ppl

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ember-rrat-vtuber-rat-look-gif-25814907

[waxen oyster]

do they play together still

[keen spruce]

can i play the fkin game

[runic hinge]

I gota quit my job

[balmy condor]

Just put gold cap on it?

What’s the big deal

[grim jay]

Thats probably the better rat

[runic hinge]

my server aint that rich and neither am i

[simple violet]

sanguine blades buffs our bleeds when above 50% no? or is the energy drain bad?

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[balmy condor]

BOT WORKS LETS GO

[rotund oak]

joefernadez is a rank 1 awc winner multglad pvper famous for raging and yelling,he's a nice guy

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-old-boomer-old-golden-girls-trendizisst-gif-9664501591893635879

[grim jay]

Ngl people like that are weird af

[runic hinge]

also if i had gold cap I'd just craft t3 instead of trying to snipe pieces from bmah

[grim jay]

Which t3

Rogue?

[rotund oak]

thats what pvp does to ppl man,ask me how dmg'd i am losing hota/hoth 4-5 times ''pugging''.Or losing glad mounts from r1 dudes deleting my @ss in seconds

[balmy condor]

That’s why you’re not gold capped I guess

You think Jeff bezos got to where he is crafting t3?

[simple violet]

is this for both single target raid and mythic aoe?

[balmy condor]

Well in aoe you have infinite energy

So doesn’t make much sense, does it

[simple violet]

gotcha

[runic hinge]

yes

[keen spruce]

i'm fkin gaming

[runic hinge]

lemme ask. @slate crown did you get to where you're at crafting t3?

[brisk path]

is it possible to catalyst nerubar BoE?

[flint tinsel]

Don’t be sad, you can craft tier 3 now 🙂

[true estuary]

Excuse my incompetence, but what is BoT

[balmy condor]

moroes

the bot

[runic hinge]

I'm poor

[true estuary]

... All those abriviations and it was that simple

[serene solar]

The thing that gives us info after they type the "! commands"

[runic hinge]

!mr

[true estuary]

Yeye i just taught it was some ability or something bugged in wow

[grim jay]

Idk the last time I really got aggressive was in League

That was like

Ages ago

I dont think a grown man should get that upset about something like that

[grim jay]

As a completionist or do you actually like the visuals?

[runic hinge]

a little of both?

Plus it's rare and it gives me a reason to check bmah everyday

[grim jay]

Dang, could make a case for the chest and legs ig, but im not a fan of the shoulders n head

[runic hinge]

problem is trying to bid and then leaving for work

[rotund oak]

it breaks u but ye,im peaceful now,only enjoying pvp for what it is

[grim jay]

Idk this discord kinda hardened me

It shaped me

Im unbreakable now

[rotund oak]

bruh when i was doing some high rated stuff discord wsnt around 😅

[grim jay]

Well jokes on you

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

I was still young when this discord came into being

You on the other hand

Tho I'm pretty calm and accepting if it comes to things that happened and/or cant be changed in general, enough shit happened.
Cant do anything about it either way

Even more so if you are supposed to have fun in a game

I only get angry at myself if I fucked up

[fallen arch]

I get angry at healer if I fucked up

[umbral sierra]

Ight just asked in pvp chat but wanted to confirm here. If I have 50% garrote buff and garrote garrote for 24 seconds duration

And say 18 seconds later and it has 6 seconds left and I garrote again to reup it. Does that mean
A. I keep the 50% buff rolling on the new 24 second dot
B. I keep the 50% buff for 6 more seconds and it goes away when the original duration of the 50% buff ends and the garrote goes to 100% damage and not 150%
C. Garrote loses the 50% damage buff and I miss out on 6 seconds of the increased damage for reuping it

[keen viper]

I have 51% mastery 😮 is it a lot?

[runic hinge]

C

[grim jay]

Yeah you always overwrite the dmg number basically

[umbral sierra]

I’m now debating if it’s better to
A. Reup garrote and don’t let it fall even if I lose out on the 50% extra damage
Or
B. Let garrote fall and try to re apply after it ends or when it has 1 second or so left so I get the most out of the 50% buff

[river shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

In pve you reapply right as it ran out

[runic hinge]

In pve you let it go all the way off and reapply asap when it falls

[umbral sierra]

Gotcha

I picked up rogue this expac (did arenas in tbc classic) and I’m trying to figure out logistics of dps to max damage and ensure kills. While somehow already being 2400

[runic hinge]

Generally I don’t double garrote in PvP either way cause the 6 extra seconds duration I don’t think is worth the global and you dr your silence

[umbral sierra]

Prob gonna be more situational in PvP though since u can’t guarantee the reup as it falls.

[runic hinge]

I just reup in pandemic mostly either way

But I am not the greatest PvP player

[umbral sierra]

I can see doing a 2nd garrote after the first silence ends. And extending the 15% damage done reduction debuff

Or if ur in team fight to get more out and spread

[runic hinge]

At the end of subterfuge yeah

Makes sense

[umbral sierra]

Thoughts on subterfuge buff for Pve? Ik it’s going to be great in PvP but m+ build doesn’t run it on wow head

[runic hinge]

Not worth when imp garrote is basically the same

And you don’t need to cheap in pve

Maybe next patch tho.

[umbral sierra]

Well the buff in 11.0.5 will make it so subterfuge extends duration

So 6 second indiscriminate carnage will be 12 seconds

[runic hinge]

Yeah it might be worth then

Master assassin also 12 seconds is gonna be crazy

[umbral sierra]

Same for 50% garrote buff and master assassin so on

[runic hinge]

Yeah it’ll probably see some play next patch

[grim jay]

Probably all depends on the impact of MA

If its worth sacrificing the other talents for it

[umbral sierra]

Yeah ma only getting about 24 seconds a fight

Depending if u get more than 1 vanish or can smeld stealth (doubt)

[runic hinge]

Through your entire dm/kb is gonna be huge tbh

[umbral sierra]

True

[runic hinge]

At least I think so

[grim jay]

Imo the echoing reprimand rework looks pretty decent aswell and subter still only really grants benefits with MA, like the longer IC is probably useless in most pulls

[viral spire]

They removed nightstalker

[umbral sierra]

Could see the longer acces to 50% garrote being good though

[grim jay]

Doesnt change the crit rate from MA tho

[umbral sierra]

Since u can get 6 extra seconds of it

[viral spire]

Oh wait

But ma is nerfed

[umbral sierra]

Buffed

Lasts longer

[viral spire]

How do we play it out now tho

[umbral sierra]

For 25% not 30%

[runic hinge]

Depends on if refreshing in pandemic for it is good. But right now single target doesn’t take imp garrote

[grim jay]

Its probably not that big id assume. You dont really go for the 6s as much on lower pulls either

The what Tony said might be bigger

[umbral sierra]

Fair maybe 12 seconds but I can see that

[grim jay]

Extending at the end of IC

[runic hinge]

Maybe we vanish like 2 seconds into DM so you have 25% more crit for your dm and can refresh imp gar as well. Smarter people than me will figure out if it’s worth

If MA lasts 12 seconds

[umbral sierra]

17% nerf on the effect but 100% increase to duration

Do we ct in st

[runic hinge]

Uhh currently only in a very specific situation

[hollow river]

iirc it was like a .3% gain in ST when talented, with the Deathstalker buff up

[runic hinge]

Yes that

[hollow river]

i could be wrong but iirc i saw whispyr say that

not worth tracking the buff to do it

[runic hinge]

You need to crit your clear the witnesses

[umbral sierra]

Which buff, just death stalker mark?

[hollow river]

no

[runic hinge]

Momentum of despair

[umbral sierra]

Ah that, stoped running it in pvp when they made follow the blood proc on 2 ruptures and not 1

[hollow river]

clear the witness or w/e

[grim jay]

Pretty spot on, talked about it with him as you guys implemented it

[hollow river]

ye that's what you should've run in pvp regardless imo

[umbral sierra]

Now I debate if ct is worth in “single target” vs say 1 dk and 4 pets

[runic hinge]

If you press fan for clear the witnesses and it crits and you get the momentum of despair buff you would press ct in single target

[umbral sierra]

If the damage is worth losing 8 energy a tick for no gain

[hollow river]

yes

[runic hinge]

It’s worth in that situation because ct does crazy damage

Especially if you hit 5 targets

[umbral sierra]

Damage to pets is just pad though

Ik it buffs the damage the dk takes though

[hollow river]

the dmg to pets doesn't matter

read CT's tooltip

[bitter saddle]

Quick question, on silken court do we holt Deathmark for the charge? Or just send on pull

[runic hinge]

Yeah but the dot on the dk is worth

[hollow river]

ye

[umbral sierra]

Was debating if the buff was worth losing 8+ energy a tick bc of sanguine duplicating damage to pets

Though the 100% buff would be fatty

Proceeds to send rupture on the ghoul so I can proc follow the blood

[grim jay]

Iirc we just send. Lorrgs.io might have data tho, sub is kinda goated on that fight

[bitter saddle]

Oh I like sub maybe I try sub on this then

But I like assa more

[hollow river]

energy shouldn't be much of an issue if you have multiple bled/poisoned targets for Venemous Wounds

[umbral sierra]

But if it’s just the dk, I would only have 1 garrote/ rupture for venomous and ct taking 10 energy a tick

[hollow river]

you've got Carnage

[umbral sierra]

Unless I have carnage spread garrote and rupture to pets or I just send a garrote and rupture for energy gain

[umbral sierra]

Not if I’m not stealthed/vanish

[wild hound]

Wait hold up, so on a boss in m+, its worth doing a 5+cp CT when adds spawn? Say last boss in Grim Batol.

[hollow river]

if you were 1v1 on a DK, you would. but i digress, this isn't the channel for pvp discussion, we should move back down to #pvp

[wild hound]

And on what target count then?

[hollow river]

ignore everything we are saying please

idk prios for pve, we were discussing pvp in the wrong channel

[umbral sierra]

Say I’m fighting for a node no stealth/ vanish dk rolls in as I finish my 1v1 with w/e is at the node. It’s just me and dk I have no carnage. Worth to send a rupture/ garrote onto pet or nah

[wild hound]

Ah oki

[umbral sierra]

True

[hollow river]

#pvp

[runic hinge]

Ct is good on 2 targets and if the adds are gonna live a little bit it’s worth. If they insta die it’s probably not. Idk the exact amount of time

It’s like 7 or 8 seconds I think

[hollow cedar]

As far as I know you should press it there, i think beginning with 3 targets the st damage ist worth it to press it

[strange python]

Indiscrimate Carnage should spread Deathmark too I think that would balance the class nicely

[wild hound]

Yeah im aware of ct on 2 prio targets, just meant with trash adds that die fast. So like if the damage to the boss from CT is better than envenom if there's 5 targets to buff CT dmg

[runic hinge]

I would think grim batol since you’re getting the full ct cause there’s a ton of them it’s worth

[round wasp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild hound]

So like even if the adds will die shortly, CT damage to the boss will be higher than Envenom?

[runic hinge]

Idk the exact math

[grim jay]

Thats some illegal thought

[wild hound]

Like padding wise ofc might be worth it, but thinking if damage to adds is irrelevant, whether it might still be worth it solely for the boss damage. Especially with singular focus I guess. Will test!

[strange python]

And if they add a talent that lets you overcap energy to 450, but you can only spend the extra to cast deathmark again

[hollow cedar]

I also think whisper is talking about it in 1 of his videos at the start of the season, maybe check there

[keen viper]

How to know which enchants and gems to put in ? xD

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[mint valve]

ct isnt affected by venomous

[runic hinge]

He’s talking about sanguine

[umbral sierra]

Ik, but it is affected by sanguine blades

[mint valve]

you right ❤️

[umbral sierra]

Thought was if damage against 1 target is the only thing that matters, is it worth hitting 5 with ct even though I’m losing 8 energy a ct tick for 100% damage on the ct against the boss (ik u lose 10 but the 2 lost to duplicate 30% to the boss isn’t really a “loss” so effectively only 8 energy is wasted per tick)

[worldly bridge]

Hey do you press SND in gigabig pulls ? If so, when ? I usually ambush gar rupt CT and then ER + snd if I’m not landing on blue charge, but in very big pulls I add more gar/rupt and I feel like pressing snd is kinda bad when you could proc caustic and spam fok envenoms

[grim jay]

!guide has a graphic with aoe openers

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

On wowhead

[grim jay]

Ye that one

[umbral sierra]

So nice having a “set rotation”

Turn brain off and press buttons

[novel star]

holy fuck holy fuck im gonna cum

it finally happened

[umbral sierra]

At least something with that kind of flow and not a big graph of “if this than this but if that then dis”

[worldly bridge]

So you just have to accept that you won’t caustic + kb the pack before like 10sec of GCD :/

[dusk gull]

Hi is there a cap to our mastery? And at what % will it drop off?

[umbral sierra]

Is this bis?

[novel star]

yeah

[worldly bridge]

Usually things are already dead

[novel star]

really insane trinket

[iron carbon]

Bleed > poisons

[iron carbon]

Just sim ur stuff

[grim jay]

Gz on being late

[umbral sierra]

ESP with sudden demise

[hollow river]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

ty!

[dusk gull]

Also, i just swapped to assasin from outlaw, noticed that im far more squishier due to lower vers (but im dying 1 shot from e.g. NW 1st boss worm vomit)(+10)

Do i just swap out to get more vers

[umbral sierra]

What content are u doing where packs are dead in 10 seconds?

[runic hinge]

Are you using elusiveness

[grim jay]

How many runs?

[iron carbon]

You need to use cos or feint

[dusk gull]

Yes, im feinting as much as possible esp when im on debuffs

[runic hinge]

Evasion on that one

[iron carbon]

Vomit is nature damages and dot too

[umbral sierra]

40% dr goes a long way

[worldly bridge]

Lets say NW10 or SV10. Some ppl pull very large packs with lust. By the time everything is setup mobs are like 40% HP and I’m not sure it’s worth going DM+KB

[umbral sierra]

“Evasion reduces magic damage taken by 20%” bait n switch death stalker talent

[runic hinge]

Evasion lets you dodge first boss NW damage I’m like 99% sure

[grim jay]

Idk sounds like lower ilvl, you shouldnt even get oneshot with only feint on +11

[dusk gull]

Im 617 but vers is 7% / 3.5%(dr)

[iron carbon]

ZZZ cos is 100% dr and feint is 40 and 20

[novel star]

do i have to count manually on the raider.io list

or is ther an easy number somewher

[runic hinge]

Just say 69

It’s funny and a lot

[iron carbon]

Pretty sure not but didn't try

[grim jay]

Yeah I'm 625 with 7% and I dont get oneshot even on 11 with feint only. Also you got evasion and cloak to use on the spit anyways, else you are kinda griefing

[umbral sierra]

If feint isn’t enough to stop the one shot, u would send evasion with it to stack the dr

[runic hinge]

I’ll test tomorrow

[grim jay]

Sadly no

[covert jewel]

cloak will only work on that cast if u use it last second

for w/e reason

[novel star]

39 @grim jay

i believe

unless i counted wrong

it could be 38 or 40

but i think its 39

[dusk gull]

I guess its just braindead from outlaws stat prio haha used to be able to take em on with feint and still have 70% health

[novel star]

dude why do the sims have to be cringe for ovinax egg

[covert jewel]

trap

[grim jay]

Just dont sim it

And dont use it

Done

[novel star]

yea

shows skardyn ovinax .2% gain over skardyn sac in st

but i think its fake news as fuck

[grim jay]

Thats decent. Took me 3 tho, just saying

[umbral sierra]

Uhhh, I doubt 20% vers diff makes u go from 1 shot to chilling at 70% hp

[iron carbon]

It's not 40 + 20

[novel star]

im just saccin

[umbral sierra]

Ik it’s total damage* .6*.8

[dusk gull]

Not too sure.. thats what im seeing hah might be high ms last night resulting in late feint usage ig

[grim jay]

Skardyn + Knife on 626 is my vibe now. Joined the knife gamers, still use Mandate sometimes if I can sneak in some add abuse

[novel star]

my knife is 619 so o7 there most likely

also i get tilted when i dont cloak it

it mind controls me

[umbral sierra]

While it’s not 60% dr it’s still 48% which if 8% dr means ur alive to do damage vs be dead, make the boss fight take longer bc u have less dps due to u being dead, and -15 to the timer…

[iron carbon]

So, useless

Nearly at least

[grim jay]

Probably do that on farm bosses

[novel star]

idk

if im gonna cloak for dps i wanna do some better shit

like cloaking sikran knock

[umbral sierra]

I agree 8% dr for a 2 min cd is ass. But again, if it means you live vs don’t it’s huge.
Health is just a resource as long as u don’t hit 0 ur fine

[novel star]

did that earlier

was not nearly as scary as i thought

you can kinda just do it

[grim jay]

Ye 626 is kinda big, kinda bonkers for m+ aswell simwise

[novel star]

[grim jay]

See I told you

Its fine

[iron carbon]

It's fcking 40% on the AoE, even in 12 and 3 % vers, I don't get OS under feint

[grim jay]

Thats fakenews

[umbral sierra]

The guy earlier was. So in his situation it’s worth

[grim jay]

Only if you have a priest or sham heal

Went through it with zac yesterday

[runic hinge]

Same as me

[iron carbon]

He was not under defensive kekw

[runic hinge]

626 knife is giga

[iron carbon]

Sorry?

[grim jay]

Ikr, sims roughly like the other m+ trinkets on mythic

For dslice

[grim jay]

You cant survive the spit on 12 with only feint

[umbral sierra]

^ @iron carbon “not under a defensive? This statement says otherwise

[grim jay]

And lower than 7% vers

Because I mathed that yesterday with zac

[novel star]

these 3 slots look so nice next to eachother

i can sleep peacefully

finally

[tawdry sedge]

radiant sims higher than depths for DS, is that correct?

[grim jay]

I dont like the egg, call me weird but the sacs spawning on me are just weird

Crystal also sims higher for me

Both St and m+

[grim jay]

Yes

And really close in st

[iron carbon]

Maybe sham heal buff so

[grim jay]

Ye with shaman or priest you can

[iron carbon]

Fcking weird so, maybe lack of hp

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Hes only 617

That should be quite some hp

Depending on the slot

[umbral sierra]

Ye, that’s why I said send evasion and feint

Bc he was getting 1 tapped

Sending 2x defensives not always the best idea but if it makes u go from dead to surviving with 1 hp. That’s a W

[iron carbon]

Need to check the overkill, bit 8% is kinda meh

[umbral sierra]

I agree

[grim jay]

You should send them anyways there kinda

Both cloak and evasion

Not raw feint

[white venture]

New rogue here and enjoying it so far even if i am terrible. But what on earth is the Fatal intent hero talent, woeful design

[iron carbon]

My evasion is always on cd cuz of caster of the pack before

[umbral sierra]

Cloak feint, and evasion feint, or like cloak, evasion feint, feint

[grim jay]

Yeah cloak is a standalone CD there

Evasion with feint

You can also be fancy and vanish garr feint

[umbral sierra]

Evasion is a little weird for pve no? U shouldn’t need to dodge stuff unless tank fucked up and has lost threat or ur standing in bad positions and are taking cleaves

[grim jay]

Probably, the Dr still applies to bosses right? Never tried

[neat raptor]

is there any of the TW trinkets that are bis in hero?

[blazing pumice]

yesd

wreathstone or w/e it's called

[grim jay]

Deathstalker offers magic Dr for evasion and elusiveness 20% flat dr

[umbral sierra]

I mean before this was added

[grim jay]

Before you could evade specific stuff

Even some aoes

[umbral sierra]

Interesting

[grim jay]

The wrathstone on heroic is pretty close to actual mythic track bis ye

Not actual bis

Also expect it to get nerfed

Personally

[neat raptor]

What raid is it?

[grim jay]

Ulduar

[blazing pumice]

yeah the 17 year old trinket will be nerfed any day now

[umbral sierra]

Ulduar time walking goes away at weekly reset

[iron carbon]

The physical caster randomly aiming at you, you dodge

[grim jay]

Funny, because it isnt the old trinket in any way shape or form

It got changed

[blazing pumice]

it's not that good and it's not going to get nerfed

[grim jay]

And they multiple times now nerfed tw trinkets that were really strong

[blazing pumice]

it's marginally better than skardyns and it's hero only

[grim jay]

Yeah its not that good if a random tw reward is better than current content

[umbral sierra]

Ah yeah ig the gnolls shooting random people in bracken hide is a good example

[blazing pumice]

yes, tell that to the cos ring

[iron carbon]

Yep, the caster that stun people on NW, it's physical too

[sweet sinew]

I can use what ever weapon I want on offhand?

[blazing pumice]

or the multiple legion tw trinkets

[umbral sierra]

Dagger

[sweet sinew]

Oh. Saw someone using fist weapon on offhand. Maybe just for the show

[umbral sierra]

Unless ur wanting specific daggers to go for

[normal mist]

It got nerfed

[umbral sierra]

If it’s the raid fist wep and they have 2 set with raid trinket maybe. (The fist wep has a 2 set with a trinket in raid and its p good) but to my knowledge u want daggers bc faster swing time for more poison procs

[blazing pumice]

after ages, when it was more widely available and actually farmable

and was substantially better than top ilvl rings

[grim jay]

Weird, because I havent seen legion tw trinkets being better than heroic trinkets of the current content and heroic trinkets being close to equal to current mythic track trinkets on multiple specs

And staying that way

[blazing pumice]

they were

faulty countermeasure was busted

[grim jay]

Mustve been in sepulcher season because I certainly dont remember that

[brisk plank]

Gz oli my guy, ive given up after 60 runs and then ran +2 +3 speedruns cuz it was just so much faster, got champ track and im satisfied. it was either that or lose my sanity

[novel star]

i already had a 593 from heroic

i couldnt edge myself again

had to commit to hero track or bust

[grim jay]

I farmed plaguefall 96 times for the trinket back then

[grim jay]

In one season

[woven shore]

i just offered

500,000 gold

for the grim trinket

he declined

i just want to

fucking hang myself

[novel star]

lmao

[woven shore]

fuck

me

[royal lantern]

"they dont nerf TW things, look at X"

"X got nerfed"

"YEHA BUT......"

[woven shore]

fuck me dude

literally

[royal lantern]

[woven shore]

i ahte my life

playing this fucking piece fof shit game

im so done

[novel star]

i dont think i wouldve taken the 500 either

[woven shore]

doing grim batol

[novel star]

tbh

[woven shore]

half a fucking million gold

[grim jay]

Id maybe pay 50k if I didnt have it but 500?

[woven shore]

thats almost 3 months

for free

[blazing pumice]

i didn't say that, i said that they aren't going to nerf some hero track trinket that is 0.2% better than skardyns when there were actual tw items that were busted for ages and better than top tier items

[iron carbon]

Btw, I'm still gonna check with notevenclose addon

[grim jay]

Ye thats what we did yesterday

[woven shore]

you fucking rogues got to support me

add me

give me your keys

[kind forge]

no

[woven shore]

i pay 30k each key

[novel star]

[woven shore]

50

whatever

give me your fucking batol key

3 rogues

[subtle tundra]

bud its just a trinket

[woven shore]

no

its not just a trinket

its something that i want

[novel star]

just keep running the dungeon youll get it eventually

[woven shore]

thats what it is

[subtle tundra]

if you react like this rn
ill have you know dungeon farm for bis is a thing every patch

[woven shore]

i cant rest if i dont have it

[proper hare]

100% in vault next reset frfr

[woven shore]

yes grimbatol is the most boring as fuck dungeon there is

[grim jay]

Just do it like me, say you wanna have it and gonna farm it, enter 3 times and just loot it

[subtle tundra]

ok then means should be chill dungeon

[woven shore]

yea for sure

1h before

i did a +6

[mossy willow]

Gday gentlemen, quick question 4 yall. Why do my sims show to use CT in single target when I’m in m+ build? Worth or bait?

[woven shore]

i thought itll drop

[earnest remnant]

i remember doing 115 karazans for the eye crit trinket

[normal mist]

You can but isn't a huge gain

[earnest remnant]

was a funny 4 days

[knotty grove]

Hey guys - is it worth crafting the [Siphoning Stiletto] or should i craft [Everforged Stabber]?

[woven shore]

1115 runs in 4 days????

[mossy willow]

Xo

[woven shore]

if it wasnt so HORRIBLE

[normal mist]

Everforged

[woven shore]

to get into a fucking group

[normal mist]

With agility

[woven shore]

i wouldnt complain

but

i get into one group

every 40minutes

WHAT THJE FUCK

[grim jay]

Worth 0.3% and you need to watch if your CTW fok crit the whole time

[earnest remnant]

a run took like 12min

[grim jay]

[earnest remnant]

sometimes less

[subtle tundra]

then push your key get good score and get invited fast

[novel star]

Idk i havent had that much issue getting in groups

but like

yea

[earnest remnant]

and i was awake for 42 hours straight

just blasting

[woven shore]

bruh

[earnest remnant]

keys

[woven shore]

my guildy

[novel star]

i timed +9 everything for ksm before i started full autism farming skardyns

[woven shore]

he is 2700

[normal mist]

Yune if you're queuing for +6, que for 2+

[woven shore]

627 outlaw

he gets declined on +7

what the fuck you mean

[subtle tundra]

im 2.6k and i get invited to 10s fasat

[normal mist]

Just queu for +2

[woven shore]

XDDDDDDDDD

[novel star]

i havent moved at all since 2.4 and get invited to shit relatively fast idk

just rng i guess

queue rng

have to apply to the right groups

fresh ones

[subtle tundra]

idk if you just spam here it wont solve your issue

[normal mist]

It's legit the same shit +2 or +6

[woven shore]

fuck it

im making a fucking Shisha Now

its 11am i didnt sleep

but i want that fucking trinket

[normal mist]

My man just queu for any key in the 2-6 range if you can't get 7s

[grim jay]

Id decline outlaws aswell

All of them

[woven shore]

but champion trinket

._.

[normal mist]

Bro

6 is champion

[woven shore]

yes

and 7 is hero

[grim jay]

Idk farming champ is kinda a waste

[woven shore]

im upping that whore to 626

[grim jay]

I dont even do that on alts

[normal mist]

And if you can't enter 7s

What's the point

[woven shore]

if i farm champion

[grim jay]

Ye, just get rio

[woven shore]

maybe ill drop trinket from mythic raid

or heroic sikram

and then simcraft says

its not worth

then im gonna delete my rogue

[normal mist]

Smh

[woven shore]

😦

why cant i be a idk

frost dk enjoyer

[normal mist]

You can

[woven shore]

why do i have to love this unthankful shit

[normal mist]

Just logout

[subtle tundra]

buddy chill youre literally just starting to play at a decent level

[woven shore]

yea

i want to slam that fukin raid

[subtle tundra]

being a dk wont help you with jack shit

[knotty grove]

can i find any guide for crafting weapons on this discord or should i search on youtube? 😄

[normal mist]

YouTube

[woven shore]

getting into groups for sure

[grim jay]

Just play transmitter

[normal mist]

Although it's pretty simple

[zinc frost]

Just be based af and have 2 x passive trinkets like me

[woven shore]

people think
oh its a deathknight

oh its a mage

lets take him

[subtle tundra]

no they dont

[woven shore]

Rogue ? nah

[subtle tundra]

they look at score and ilvl

if you have big score you get invited

its not complicated

[grim jay]

I get invites all day

Idk

[woven shore]

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPSh

[icy girder]

big score = big peen

[woven shore]

HOLD YOUR BREATH CHAT

[keen viper]

What settings are the best to put in sim ?

[woven shore]

im gonna suck his dick

[rain wraith]

is this man finally gonna stop yapping about m+ being unfair

[subtle tundra]

sometimes its true when a single spec is dominating the meta

[rocky sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[woven shore]

OMGGGGGG

im FINALLLLLLLLLy

GETTING ITTTTT

[zinc frost]

300k!? Jebaited

[woven shore]

fuc kthat

[normal mist]

(it will be on his vault next week)

[woven shore]

i offered him

[spring briar]

Yeah, pay 500k and then u got it in your vault next week 😂

[woven shore]

500k

[rain wraith]

Greats

[random ice]

Score ist an Illusion! if und havebig score you want to play higher keys, if you que in high keys, your score is average, is ur score average they take the DK

[grim jay]

Imagine paying 300k if you couldve just farmed more or got transmitter in guild raid

[rain wraith]

ur gonna get myth track vault next week anyways

[grim jay]

[novel star]

lmao

-300k to get it in vault would be

peak

[rain wraith]

i crafted 636 dagger before starting mythic

[woven shore]

omg FINALLY

[rain wraith]

2x kukris drop

as only rogue

[spring briar]

That was stupid 😂

[grim jay]

Idk, kinda doesnt really work like that. You can have higher rio than every other dd queuing at any time

[rain wraith]

wasted spark and gilded

[woven shore]

i dont give a fucking fuck

im going to EU server now

pay 60€

and get 700k gold

from tockens

i dontgive a fuck

[grim jay]

[rain wraith]

you could pay the chinese 60 bucks and get 2m

[spring briar]

Emotional damage

[grim jay]

And get banned

[woven shore]

you have no clue bro

[rain wraith]

you obv launder the gold bro

[woven shore]

grim batol and pugs broke me

[subtle tundra]

imagine being rich enough to just do that and have no cares

[random ice]

you wont, i have 2,7k, i get like one invite in a hour

[spring briar]

Girl*

[tacit otter]

why are you fomo-ing so much about a trinket that doesnt even make or break the spec. ye its good but why tho?

[woven shore]

im gonna cry

im crying

😦

[grim jay]

Dont think 60 is that much, but I guess it depends on many things

[rain wraith]

if ur from vietnam 60 is alot

if ur from monaco its nothing

[subtle tundra]

it is a significant amount of money for me
especially in the context of getting GOLD in WOW

[spring briar]

Like in germany

[subtle tundra]

i dont pay 60 to buy games

[grim jay]

Sounds rough, I have slightly less and I dont queue for more than 15min

[subtle tundra]

like ever

[grim jay]

But I dont queue 12+ without my premade anyways

[rain wraith]

got a 13 NW any takers?

they nerfed it

ez

[subtle tundra]

idk i have less and have no problem into getting my weeklies

[woven shore]

bro im an idiot

i wish i was you

[grim jay]

Same, recently it was more like 100

[woven shore]

i pay 700€ into mobile games

and then i quit

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

i wish i was you

[woven shore]

on 1 game i prolly spend 2500

[subtle tundra]

being able to afford 700 wasted euros

[woven shore]

yep

idle heroes

[grim jay]

I spent like 3k on LoL

[rain wraith]

you dont

[grim jay]

[woven shore]

XD

[limber lion]

But you buy the newest wow expansion every time it comes and a monthly subscription to it

[woven shore]

no you dont

[normal mist]

Tell me you're rich without telling me you're rich

[woven shore]

you put the fucking money in the game

[subtle tundra]

have you heard of boosting for gold

[woven shore]

and then you regret

and think

imagine i had it on my hand now

[limber lion]

What's that?

I only suck dick for gold

[subtle tundra]

i have like 200 euros in battle net ballance

maybe more

[limber lion]

Big

[subtle tundra]

and 2mil gold left

[zinc frost]

What do I get for 10,000g?

[waxen oyster]

I just do my own key tbf

[grim jay]

In an afterthought its kinda stupid, but 3k is like 20 Euro a month or something over the years

[waxen oyster]

also avoids the people who are like 615 with giant egos expecting mdi level meta for a 10

[subtle tundra]

i had a tank that lost aggro on a boss 20 seconds into the fight

yesterday

and he was blaming me for not having tricks

🙂

[normal mist]

Over the years that's "fine"

[woven shore]

whore

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk

[woven shore]

i suck dick for Trinkets

im not better

[waxen oyster]

my biggest red flag in wow

[subtle tundra]

and boss KILLED me he didnt even taunt back

[waxen oyster]

is no mog

or bad mog

[woven shore]

yeop

im thinking about starting to farm glaves of azzinoth on rogue

[zinc frost]

DK?

[waxen oyster]

you can only mog them on dh

[subtle tundra]

warrior of all things

[limber lion]

Hmm

[grim jay]

Also idk what else I wouldve done with it, its not like I was missing that to get something important at any point and I had fun with it, so its kinda fine

[subtle tundra]

probably a fotm reroll who cant actually play

[limber lion]

Might wanna look into it a bit

[grim jay]

Imo better spent than on alcohol

[limber lion]

Before you do

[woven shore]

so ugly

[zinc frost]

Sounds like the frost dks I run into doing 800k-900k overall

[woven shore]

some stupid mechanics ?

[waxen oyster]

idk how a prot warrior loses aggro

💀

i just play mine like a dps

[royal lantern]

go to bed

[subtle tundra]

wish i could sleep at work

would be fantastic

[royal lantern]

real