assassination

[spice surge]

You need to use runed to upgrade hero track items to 4/6

You cannot get runed

From the keys that drop hero track items at 8

(7s still work)

[copper monolith]

runed was 4-8?

[brittle quail]

7 is the only level where you can get heroic gear AND runed crest you need

[keen spruce]

If a player gets into an 8, and gets a new piece of gear that is an upgrade. They cannot upgrade that gear with the crests being dropped in the same dungeon level. So they would have to go back to lower keys to farm runed crests to upgrade that. This makes no sense

[brittle quail]

like how is that not a problem

[novel star]

loading

[balmy condor]

yeh it's so weird

[west crown]

Then do lower keys it’s not a problem.

[junior aurora]

why should you have to though

you have to do specifically 7

[waxen oyster]

the only other option is to cap the higher currency

and have it auto

which is cringe

[balmy condor]

why should you have to choose to do lower content for crests and throw away all the champ track gear

you're looking for hero track gear and hero track upgrades

[copper monolith]

Because you're already getting champ and heroic gear from delvers i'd wager

[balmy condor]

so you should have runed crests for a couple keys, and then gilded for the end

[waxen oyster]

its very weird when the content doesnt drop the upgrade currency

[copper monolith]

thats the situation im in

[keen spruce]

It seems way more like blizzard just wanted guilded to be more accessible because of the difficulty curve of M+, and there was an oversight on the impact it would have on the balance between gear drops and crest aquisition

it's not the end of the world

[waxen oyster]

mostly talking my alts tbh

[keen spruce]

but it's bad design

[copper monolith]

i was 619 before I Even saw 7's

[balmy condor]

I mean delve dropping hero track from maps is cooked too

[keen spruce]

fundamentally

[waxen oyster]

my dh is 616 and hasnt done a single key

all season

[brittle quail]

put the affix from 7 on 6 and give hero track at 6 too

[novel star]

idk if you had the runed crest achivement and still cant clear 9s i dont think its a tuning issue

[brittle quail]

then its ok

[copper monolith]

Everyone got super juiced through delves dropping champ and heroic

[balmy condor]

delve drops way too good loot way too early, and m+ drops hero track gear too late

[novel star]

but what do i know

[novel star]

real

[balmy condor]

like if gilded are supposed to be from 8, hero should drop from like 5

[junior aurora]

yeah delves destroyed gearing

[copper monolith]

Im fine with delve drops being good

[novel star]

i dont care enough to do another delve week on my alt that shit staying 580 until i get friend boost

[copper monolith]

delves drops would of been fine if it was still 7's offering gilded

[keen spruce]

Call me old fashioned, but I like when the gear you acquire is relative to the difficulty of the content you were doing

[balmy condor]

that's insane

[junior aurora]

delves should have never given hero track tbh

[copper monolith]

but it created a huge gap for players

by puting them at 9

[junior aurora]

but like

[copper monolith]

they just got bricked super early

[junior aurora]

ok?

[balmy condor]

level 7 delves are in no way comparable to last 2 heroic/mythic raid and +8 m+

[junior aurora]

give you some aspirational content idk

[keen spruce]

but like... just do 9s idk

[copper monolith]

I think they tried

either they didnt get invited

or a lot of it got bricked

or they just stopped playing

its one of the 3 if not multiples

[keen spruce]

yeah I mean you can't complete the difficult content

so you don't get the higher tier reward

I don't see the issue

[balmy condor]

the crest/drop system is just not planned out equally for the difficulty of the content, that's the whole thing

[junior aurora]

you still get crests too

[brittle quail]

i don't understand how 7 are fine if 9 are not, their is not a gap between those level

[balmy condor]

gilded at +8 m+ is fine, but the drops from the dungeon don't match that

[cyan karma]

I’m new to the game this season but I can defintly see what you’re talking about @copper monolith… Ive also just hit a wall doing 5/6s over and over but I really need some guided crests to progress…

[keen spruce]

like if you go sit in a mythic first 2 bosses pug and wipe on the first boss for 2 hours then leave. you also don't get gilded

[balmy condor]

like the crest track and the drop track

[copper monolith]

what should the drops be then in a +8 for gilded?

[balmy condor]

doesn't add up

[novel star]

whispyr where was that command to check ur was for models

[balmy condor]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[junior aurora]

a few more things each dungeon one shot

[novel star]

oh thank you

[crisp ibex]

why im inmortal as outlaw and i have 0 survival as assa on m+???

[keen spruce]

vers and stam node

[crisp ibex]

no versa, no perma evasion with talent of reduced dmg

[balmy condor]

outlaw is more APM so like theory of relativity the game around you is comparably slower

[brittle quail]

versatility and not pressing defensive/not running elusiveness?

[copper monolith]

are saying saying 8 gilded should drop mythic track?

[balmy condor]

no

[copper monolith]

champ?

[balmy condor]

I'm saying hero track needs to be earlier

[junior aurora]

hes saying hero track should drop earlier

to compensate

[copper monolith]

7 felt fine

but im fine with earlier

[brittle quail]

yep completely agree hero should drop lower

[balmy condor]

there's no growth into hero track at all

[junior aurora]

7 felt fine but now gilded is earlier

[balmy condor]

because it's just insano squished

[copper monolith]

just seems weird to drop hero track gear when you get crests that can't max it out

[junior aurora]

thus runed needs to also be earlier

uh

thats how all of df worked

[copper monolith]

i joined DF in s3 and s4

[junior aurora]

you got hero track before aspects

[copper monolith]

i think my perspective is skewed on that

but damn was that the most fun i've ever had in mythic+

by a long shot

[junior aurora]

its just m+ was so trivial until 20+ everyone had infinite aspects

this is them trying to reign that in

[brittle quail]

it was like that in s3 and s4 you could already drop gilded + hero gear

[keen spruce]

s3 was fun

[silk bane]

you sound like a big VC guy. THERES NO GROWTH IN THE HEROIC MARKET. NOW MYTH, MYTHS WHERE ITS AT. THE FUTAAARE

[copper monolith]

s3 was the best for sure

[pure star]

is it worth it to gem different colors for the crit effect from the culminating blasphemite

[junior aurora]

s1 actually

before aug

[keen spruce]

synergy... but it it scalable... can we use blockchain for this?

[junior aurora]

back when IC was a button

[runic hinge]

Back when I was new here

[keen spruce]

and had like a billion yard range

and would hit the whole damn dungeon

[runic hinge]

30 yard ic

[crisp ibex]

pressing feint on boss to do less damage than tank?

[junior aurora]

bring it back

[runic hinge]

Yes definitely it was when I was good

[keen spruce]

feint should be your favorite button in m+

[junior aurora]

if feint is making u do tank damage u have other problems

[keen spruce]

one of the best defensives in the game

[junior aurora]

the best probably

[keen spruce]

except for the passive that just makes DKs immortal if they're auto attacking something

[runic hinge]

After anniversary patch it is

[crisp ibex]

i have 99 parse in raid and im doing 11 keys

[normal mist]

LOL

[junior aurora]

cool

[crisp ibex]

i know how works

[junior aurora]

how big is your cock btw

[crisp ibex]

and i do bullshit damage if i press feint

on st

[runic hinge]

Fake

[keen spruce]

you're an assas rogue

[west crown]

Again, skill issue

[crisp ibex]

our st with m+ talents sucks

[keen spruce]

you do bullshit damage in ST anyways

[agile geode]

you literalli press 1 global

[keen spruce]

feint has nothing to do with it

if you die you'll do way less damage

[junior aurora]

u do 0 st if u die

[crisp ibex]

yes but its not just that

every dot

[junior aurora]

you only press feint if you would die otherwise anyway

[crisp ibex]

destroys us

[balmy condor]

I mean again, the way the system is designed, most of the track is centered around a crest, and then you can max it out with a bridge to the higher content. That's the same in raid, the first 6 in heroic drop hero/runed, the last 2 drop hero/runed/gilded, then mythic drops myth/gilded.

In m+ you don't get that progression, which is the issue. You essentially spawn into m+ dropping champ/runed, essentially the end of champ track. And then you climb up to hero track, but instead of hero/runed for a bit, then hero/gilded or hero/runed/gilded after a couple levels, you just jump straight to hero/gilded. Like the progression curve is just nonsense right? That's why I'm saying you gotta move hero track back, so that there's some hero/runed before going into hero/gilded to finish the progression of that track

[keen spruce]

dude just go play pirate then what is the problem here

[west crown]

But complain about ST while we are doing pretty good after buffs

[junior aurora]

dots are rogues weakness

always have been

[keen spruce]

it's almost like specs have strengths and weaknesses

[runic hinge]

Just cloak

[junior aurora]

use stoneform

[agile geode]

we're literally best on boss dmg rn

as it should be

[runic hinge]

Meld the cast

[junior aurora]

stinky elf

[keen spruce]

the stinkiest elf

[agile geode]

wait 2 weeks and they'll remove gcd from feint

[runic hinge]

True

25 whole energy tho

[junior aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-uh-oh-stinky-uh-oh-stinky-monke-gif-18263597

[agile geode]

-40% dps

[runic hinge]

Imagine. I’d probably have to rupture every mob just for the energy to feint

[agile geode]

kek

[junior aurora]

hope ur tank lets u restealth for that

imagine having to apply rupture with more than one gcd

[runic hinge]

I don’t need restealth I’m a stinky elf

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior aurora]

how u gonna meld the cast then

[novel star]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[runic hinge]

It’s always up when I need it

[cyan karma]

What happens then? We macro it to Cloke?

[winged basin]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice surge]

[winged basin]

no 90, but felt gooooooood

[runic hinge]

Gj

[crisp ibex]

MM?

[winged basin]

wut

[crisp ibex]

ah HC

nvm

[balmy condor]

why would you macro a defensive

[novel star]

macro a % dr to an immunity

..?

[balmy condor]

also just read up

[spice surge]

The swifty anti-oneshot macro goes crazy

[balmy condor]

how much are we thinking feint reduces our dps

[spice surge]

HpPot+healthstone+cloak+feint+evasion macroed together

[balmy condor]

3%? 5? 8? 15%?

[junior aurora]

100%

[novel star]

W

[novel star]

feint in cds reduces my mental dps by at least 53%

[runic hinge]

It’s 40%

Minimum

[junior aurora]

mines 60% actually

[novel star]

Idgaf how much it is really

[runic hinge]

Damage go down 40% damage reduced 40%

[balmy condor]

oh makes sense

[junior aurora]

i run elusivenes

[leaden viper]

If you use feint you need better heals

[cyan karma]

Double devensive idk 😅… i just that what you do with shit off the gcd… bind it to something else 🤷‍♂️

[junior aurora]

so it goes down 60%

[balmy condor]

no, that's not "just what you do with shit off the gcd"

[novel star]

got coffee 2 hours ago -> forgot it existed until right now when i got raid invite

im cooked

its so over

[balmy condor]

things are off the gcd so you can reactively press them when needed

not blindly macro them into shit like a dolt

[winged basin]

yeah, not good enough for mythic yet, next we are full sending mythic, the guild im with was already aotc, I just havent killed yet

[cyan karma]

Oh kayy mb 😅

[pure star]

0% because if we die we do no dps

[sudden brook]

How much energy do we wait for before starting up an envenom chain again if it drops

[pliant remnant]

Why macro Feint to Cloak?

Macro it to Envenom

Just send it

[balmy condor]

with vicious venoms, like absolutely nothing

15% or some shit

[sudden brook]

[balmy condor]

the level is less than a mutilate with vicious

cause it like

doesn't matter

[sudden brook]

This is the no vanish build right

[balmy condor]

yeah

[novel star]

ya

[balmy condor]

no vanish no pool

just vibes

[keen spruce]

it's clearly 75-85%

according to reports in here

[novel star]

no pool

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

you maintain envenom

but you don't pool if it drops

obviously you don't just clip envenoms perma

[novel star]

ya

my ass been pooling a little

like to 100ish

f

[balmy condor]

yeh I do it instinctively

it doesn't actually make a difference without sanguine

but sims don't like pooling because they gotta spend the energy later and that's a whole mess and delayed whatever nonsense headache

just slam

[novel star]

rapid injection is just pissbad or

[balmy condor]

rapid injection is fine

it's just not worth playing around when you already have like a 90% envenom uptime

[novel star]

well bad enough that u dont play around it i mean

yeh

hmm

interesting

[balmy condor]

oh no you missed 1 rapid injection envenom

[sudden brook]

Also whats the deal with this trinket

[balmy condor]

the horror

[sudden brook]

Have u simmed just like

More random numbers

I know sims are defaulting to 1515

[balmy condor]

are they?

[sudden brook]

I know they were for DK

[balmy condor]

I thought they defaulted to 30 stationary

[novel star]

[sudden brook]

Maybe for sin leme double check

also how much does having envenom before DM matter

cuz I need fast CDs on this fight

[balmy condor]

if they changed the default on the egg it's for everyone

which would explain why people keep coming and saying the egg is simming really good I guess

[balmy condor]

it's one of those 0.3% opener things, if you need to accelerate your opener the envenom is the first thing to go

[sudden brook]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Ezgi83rgzUHfvvC14nhh2

[novel star]

it does show both colours on constant buffs huh

[waxen oyster]

guy

[novel star]

what a weird thing

[waxen oyster]

what changes on m ansurek that sub is better?

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess they changed the behavior in sim to randomly up/down the buff

wild

[sudden brook]

wdym

[sudden brook]

do u know how different it'd end up being when its just like, kinda random

Cuz queen u run around a lot

[past bobcat]

Is this fine for kyveza?

[waxen oyster]

like do fight timers work better

for a 1.5min spec

[past bobcat]

Or is VV build better

[sudden brook]

1:30 is p good on the fight, u can send CDs on shields, and also the intermission platform

[fathom cove]

Whispyr, what does cp_max_spend mean in the APL?

[sudden brook]

But I'm trying sin for the OP lust

If we need damage elsewhere I'll just go sub idrc

But I think we break shields without sub damage so

[balmy condor]

as long as you don't go above 20 you're basically getting full value, if you're above 20 idk it'll lose a bit I guess but not much, would probably be a bit worse than "good" passives

[balmy condor]

that's just the max cp

so if you have a max of 7

it's 7

cause that's the max you can spend

[past bobcat]

dashing or tiny toxic knife?

[spice surge]

They do pretty much the same thing

[balmy condor]

sim

[spice surge]

Pretty much as good

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

[past bobcat]

Ah thats what I was wondering

[fathom cove]

Hm ok can you explain this APL line to me then:
envenom,if=!buff.darkest_night.up&effective_combo_points>=variable.effective_spend_cp&(variable.not_pooling|debuff.amplifying_poison.stack>=20|effective_combo_points>cp_max_spend|!variable.single_target)&!buff.vanish.up
specifically the effective_combo_points>cp_max_spend part. effective_combo_points can never be higher than cp_max_spend no?

[past bobcat]

If it was pre much prefence or one was actually alot better than the other

[balmy condor]

it could when we had 6cp and animacharges

cause 7>6

[keen rover]

Would someone link a tricks macro for me? Raid started and rushing ;P

[balmy condor]

!tricks

[sudden brook]

The big reason I wanna play sin is the 5% buff lol

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[fathom cove]

shouldnt this part be corrected to >= then?

[copper monolith]

does raibots also calculate what's the best upgrade for crests you have?

[balmy condor]

no

[frigid pilot]

any graphics settings to make ovinax bullshit more clear?

purple on purple is dumb

[copper monolith]

yay

[balmy condor]

no

[keen rover]

Thanks again dood

[keen spruce]

could try tritanopia colorblind mode but I don't think it's gonna feel like you're on LSD

[rapid barn]

Stones, wax or oil, or a combo on M+s

[balmy condor]

wax doesn't stack

so wax + something

[waxen oyster]

not sending as outlaw smh

[sudden brook]

I mean low key outlaw turbo farms this fight

Like not even cap

[waxen oyster]

it felt better on hc

which is why i was wondering what changes on mythic

[drifting cloud]

p2 and p3 are actual phases

and you lust at the end

[copper monolith]

lol i gained 100 io since the update

this is amazing

[sudden brook]

Its just that 1:30s are better than 2mins

Just lines up better for stuff

But I'm trying sin for our comp until it's a problem basically

[shut owl]

anyone else struggling with "no path available" on shadowstep during ansurek intermissions? I don't know quite what I'm doing differently this week compared to last but suddenly I just can't negate the wrest mechanic on platforms

[sudden brook]

I think sub is mega easy to play rn, and also sin execute in lust should be fuckin huge

[spice surge]

If you fly of the platform you cant step, need to do it while youre still above it

[shut owl]

ah, fun; then it is due to my network being degraded this week

[fathom cove]

another APL question, does combo_points.deficit include animacharged CPs?

[balmy condor]

if you're on an animacharge it'll evaluate your cp at 7

[fathom cove]

ok so the deficit will be 0

[balmy condor]

I guess

idk exactly how it works, it's not really important

[west crown]

So more people bricking my keys with inflated io

[golden roost]

hey on mythic bloodbound hunter, is it better to go down first or second as sin rogue?

[balmy condor]

second

[copper monolith]

i think the common denominator here is you in those bricked keys >.>

[west crown]

Also a common denominator that the ones I time don’t have you either 🙂

[proven jasper]

[frigid pilot]

ok i tried tritanopia

was worse

[crisp stream]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[late kestrel]

is it ok to macro pot + trinket + deathmark

[runic hinge]

Yes!

[balmy condor]

there's nothing to do for ovi'nax swirls

just have to game

mechanics sucks

https://tenor.com/view/dan-op-wereldreis-jejsmajxnej-improvise-adapt-overcome-gif-14339274

[frigid pilot]

got 3 dks droppin amz and it makes it even worse

[balmy condor]

I know

[frigid pilot]

can they just stop purple on purple?

and purp on pink

like, kyveza is so sick cus the floor is a diff color

[vast loom]

BUG IS DEAD

holy

[vital haven]

gz

[sudden brook]

They just need a real raid buff man 😔

Grip is not enough!!

[runic hinge]

I think your grip is enough

😏

[jade igloo]

is deathstalker or fatebound better?

[balmy condor]

ds

[jade igloo]

ok, cause i was watching your vid and you were talking about fatebound and stuff so i was alittle thrown off

[sharp lily]

It technically sims higher in pure ST

[balmy condor]

yeah, people will still play it

so I have to make info on it

would be a shit guide if I only talked about half the spec

[jade igloo]

got it, thank you! do you happen to discuss the aoe stuff in the video or am i just being dumb and skipped over it

[sudden brook]

Why is fatebound worse when it sims higher

[balmy condor]

m+ video covers most of it

[jade igloo]

k ty very much

[sudden brook]

insane emote

[novel star]

why is it always the dogpiss pull that kills

whatever at least im moving thru the raid and not stuck with the mess i had first month of tier

[ruby birch]

bro

what the fuck

is enh

MY 100

[vocal cradle]

sikran mythic you can stay in the aoe with cloak right?

[novel star]

normal spec

[ruby birch]

IS NOT EVEN

COMPARABLE

LIKE

[novel star]

first sec of clao konly

[ruby birch]

WHAT

[vocal cradle]

so i have to hard time it lol

[vast loom]

dono walled

[balmy condor]

cause it doesn't sim better for most people, it's more rng, the defensives are worse, and you legit feel nothing when you play it

[cunning needle]

i feel nothing anyway

[balmy condor]

legit just worse shadowstep talent

worse defensive

worse damage if you account for flensing

worse gameplay

worse rng

[sudden brook]

Why does it sim better for default profiles then

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is 2k ahead on defaults

unless I read wrong

[ruby birch]

holy

[sudden brook]

Since when bro

[ruby birch]

the receipts

[sudden brook]

It used to not be

[runic hinge]

Tuesday probably

[balmy condor]

idk buffs I guess

[ruby birch]

since they fixed its interactions

[balmy condor]

but even without that

flensing exists

[sudden brook]

Ah buffs might make it a bit better or smthing

[novel star]

buffs this reset made ds talents apply to tier set that were previously not

but fatebound coins were

right?

or no

[brittle quail]

whats the problem with flensing

[novel star]

[zenith tree]

Big retail noob here, do I roll garrote and rupture on both bosses for Silken Court?

[novel star]

ya

[balmy condor]

I mean we have access to it

that's the problem

lmao

[brittle quail]

how

[novel star]

God i love +1.7% dps

(talenting into this just activates flensing straight up)

[brittle quail]

omg

parsed some 95 + without pot or this

next week i'm gonna go crazy

ty guys

how is that not taken on the recommended build tho

[proven jasper]

The choice node other talent is just an insane defensive talent imo

[spice surge]

Its a silly bug we expected them to fix really quickly

[proven jasper]

basically choosing between dps and a good really good defensive

[zinc vortex]

i dont understand anything. whats the connection from longer cloak to flensing...and whats wrong with flensing...just a passive damage i thought

[spice surge]

There is no connection

[balmy condor]

they replaced flensing with fatal intent

[brittle quail]

for sure but i don't see that node being that useful in most content when we have elusivness

[balmy condor]

and then fucked up the talents pointing at each other

so since ethereal cloak

is behind fatal intent

the game thinks it's behind flensing knives

cause flensing is pre-req

and it re-enables

[novel star]

why does fatal intent do like

0 dam

btw

talent is just piss or

[balmy condor]

undertuned as shit

[spice surge]

But also fatal intent is completely useless, so its effectively like we still use flensing

[novel star]

legit gets like

3-4x mogged

by flensing

[clever perch]

Does someone know any Silken Court MYTHIC pov as assa?

i miss the transmitter trinket for my subt

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9rAjAwYqJTyGFdnK7boyw would have to go like this (Skardyn 639 + Queen 626)

[wary musk]

Yooo guys. This might be a stupid question but if stonebound artistry sims for more do I go that? Just wondering cuz it's not mentioned in the guide

[clever perch]

been told that imexile killed it as assa but couldn't find any pov

[balmy condor]

is that a trinket? can you link it

I have no idea what that is

[spice surge]

Mastery weapon enchant

[wary musk]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=223765/enchant-weapon-stonebound-artistry Its this enchant

[spice surge]

Im assuming youre simming dslice

[wary musk]

I use it on my paladin and figured I could sim it on my rogue and it comes out to like 3k more dps

at least for gear

[spice surge]

But radiant power should be better, and depths is better on st

[wary musk]

at least for my gear*

[balmy condor]

like eleem said

radiant power should be better in aoe

and depths should be better in st

I mean if it sims higher for you go for it

but you're a special case for that

[valid cobalt]

~~https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/frPFWiGZUzW8wTdhW8EAn4

Any idea why radiant power is simming higher than depths in pure ST?~~

I def can't read

[arctic tusk]

did the kingsbane buff change anything with how u use tea

also when pooling envenoms do you stay at 5 cp

or just get as much as you can before last envenom goes away

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

you would want to consume darkest night asap

[arctic tusk]

thank you whispyr so kind :3

[balmy condor]

gotchu

[arctic tusk]

oh and in pure ST like ky veza is it possible to not run out of envenom chains if youre playing optimally or is it bound to happen

[balmy condor]

you're going to run out of energy

that's just the spec

[errant mauve]

are the changes to NW live yet with the spears not stacking and the hp and dmg reduction of stitch?

[sudden brook]

I feel like reapplying garrote during DN is bad

[balmy condor]

should be I think

[slate crown]

If I'm in garrote pandemic I just try to gamble seal fate and use garrote to close the 6->7 gap to not waste combo points, but only if garrote needs to be refreshed anyways

[sudden brook]

ye

[slate crown]

and if I land on 5 still rush dn with mut

[spice surge]

No the post explicitly said its on reset

[arctic tusk]

does feint not work on anything in ky veza

[sonic schooner]

that s why we play elusiveness there

Might work on blaze maybe but that s about it, and i often need more than the 2 feints stack to survive intermission anyway, so evasion is welcome. I havent really studied the fight i ve just seen elusiveness on logs

[arctic tusk]

it doesnt work on the dashes or queens bane?

[sonic schooner]

that for sure doesnt work

BUT

you can precloak it

no dash dmg, no dot, no debuff, no nothing

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[sonic schooner]

Maybe feint works on the dash but you ll die from the dot later anyway if u dont run elusiveness / cloak

[wary musk]

You're 100% correct. I accidentally had the wrong sim settings on.

Also, I just realized you're the guide writer. I'm not that active on discord so I didn't know you're here. Good guide. Made me play assa way better 👌

[sudden brook]

Its also that cheat doesnt work

Since she kills thru

[arctic tusk]

ya im taking elusiveness im just wondering what feint works and doesnt work on

[drifting cloud]

dont think it works on anything on kyveza

without elu

[errant mauve]

yea i saw the post earlier from a link and couldnt remember. Tried to find again and couldnt thank you

[drifting cloud]

charge and blaze are still over 3mil with elu

[arctic tusk]

the blaze lines dont count as AOE?

[past bobcat]

You live with fient

and then you can evasion off

then cloak and be fine

in all intermissions

[sudden brook]

Your own blaze? no

[past bobcat]

Impossible to die as rogue on Kyveza

[sudden brook]

THe other blazes? Yes

Feint ^ afaik

[arctic tusk]

evasioning after the feint?

[wary musk]

Are we getting feint off the gcd? I thought I read that somewhere, but I might be tripping

[arctic tusk]

been takin longer cloak

still using evasion with elusive doe

[balmy condor]

[sudden brook]

.5

[past bobcat]

With elusivness yes

[sudden brook]

Do other ppls blazes not deal reduced damage with normal feint??

[past bobcat]

I don't think so idk haven't really gotten hit

but ur own blaze

Its chunking me to like 75%

with fient

[sudden brook]

well ye I was saying without elus

But cheat just does nothing on the fight

cuz she executes u below 10

[past bobcat]

not running elus is pretty troll

[sudden brook]

ye

[past bobcat]

Then longer cloak op

[vocal cradle]

!tricks

umm

poke

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-sigma-oso-gif-7610478615258254705

[vocal cradle]

whats the command lol

[balmy condor]

that's the command

bot is dead

[vocal cradle]

rip

[balmy condor]

use the search

[arctic socket]

Pretty sick pull

[sudden brook]

[arctic socket]

Now is there a way to put this in my warband....

[hoary acorn]

Hi guys! New rogue to the discord. I wish to know if im lookinng to improve my Assa DPS on raid, where should i look? I read Mthod Guide and the ones on the Assa Faq channel.

[west crown]

Wowhead guide has almost everything you need

If you get logs people here can help that way too

[sudden brook]

read the wowhead guide in depth

Play the game a bit on dummies

ask questions

[hoary acorn]

Awesome, how do i log myself? Thats on wowhead too i gess

[woven shore]

wtf

why does sprint has

51sec cd

51??

why not 50

lol

[hoary acorn]

You are paired with an evoker

They raid buff provides 15% CD major movement speed skill reduction

[slate crown]

warcraftlogs website has instructions

[slate crown]

!guide we're wowhead enjoyers here

[hoary acorn]

Thanks so much! Ill get right to it.

[slate crown]

Moroes asleep?

!wa

[haughty lantern]

so are 8s dropping gilded crests NOW??

or is it next reset? (like tuesday)

[drifting cloud]

now

[pliant remnant]

NOW!!

[drifting cloud]

thats just called an absorb

unles you secretly have 10mil hp

[naive spindle]

If i let caustic splatter drop in aoe and am full cps. Is it better to muti to reapply or just send the envenom?
Still learning so making basic mistakes 😌.

Prob depends on number of targets im guessing?

[coral ibex]

play better so you dont drop caustic tbh

just mutilate earlier

you dont need to minmax spatter uptime like that

[naive spindle]

Ok ill chill. Ty bro

[coral ibex]

also i think you'd mutilate first

[arctic tusk]

if i feel like my energy is feeling bad on my 2nd kingsbane am i just not pooling correctly

and i assume only 1 tea per shiv

[sudden brook]

it just be like that

[woven shore]

imagine you do so well on mythic sikram and then you die to something stupid right at the beginning wtf

😡

[ruby birch]

sin or sub on court

is it still sub after buffs

[hushed elbow]

tonights a good night

[slate crown]

Yes one tea per shiv only

[silk bane]

sub has better timers generally

[woven shore]

on what

[woven shore]

m sikran ?

[past bobcat]

Sin just too idiot proof rn

esp with mechanics or anything

[silk bane]

idk how much that matters for court

[fresh kelp]

Sanguine Blades or Viscious Venoms for Silken Court?

[balmy condor]

should be sanguine surely

[hushed elbow]

bloodbound, going into sikran now

[balmy condor]

if the bosses are stacked you're never pressing mut

outside of caustic

[arctic tusk]

just to clarify one tea per shiv so you would use 2 with kingsbane?

or is it one tea per kingsbane

[fresh kelp]

Use Shuriken for combo gen?

[balmy condor]

fok on 2

[fresh kelp]

er fan of knives

[balmy condor]

yes

[fresh kelp]

got it thx

[slate crown]

Tea's use is tied to shiv. use tea when you use shiv and you won't cap energy from it

Yes, you use two shivs with kingsbane

[woven shore]

crazy fucker

my man fucking tonight

[arctic tusk]

is the exception on opener to get it on cooldown?

[slate crown]

Correct

[sudden brook]

Low key its sin

Silken is like, so not a damage check at all tho like it doesnt matter at all

we killed the boss with like, half our lust left

[keen spruce]

[storm hedge]

Is this a new thing or did we fok on 2 targets the whole expansion? I must have missed something

[ruby birch]

i might just play sin

sub globals are cringe as shit

[sudden brook]

Wdym

[ruby birch]

fitting 3 sectec

on that fight

[balmy condor]

2 with deathstalker if you're talented into CT

[ruby birch]

as people dont let me stay in melee

is just cringe

[steady glen]

!macro

[hushed elbow]

OH MY GOD THEY FIXED WAX

im a week late on this oh man

[past bobcat]

!wa

[keen rover]

On silken court mythic, do people try and keep both dots rolling on both bosses while focusing the ds mark?

[steady glen]

Do we macro tea to shiv?

[keen rover]

I press solo personally and just make sure ive got one rdy for cds

But idk if thats correct

[blazing pumice]

no

[visual vault]

is it wax+oil for all content or just m+?

[blazing pumice]

whetstones are better

wax+oil is just economical

[visual vault]

thanks!

[hushed elbow]

Wax better than oil on ST?

[blazing pumice]

idk it makes sfa difference

[hushed elbow]

And only 1 wax all content

[slim pebble]

It’s all within like .6 and the buckets o cum are free

[spice spire]

Hey king

[rotund oak]

watched the entire thing,yup u got insane gear but u are a freak.Dmg and mechanics are both there and u are cold,just how true rogues should be 👌

[slate crown]

[blazing pumice]

bought ffxiv yet?

[rotund oak]

can u fuk off already

stupid mfker eveyr single time

[orchid knot]

so is that a yes or

[balmy condor]

But the free trial includes heavensword

[blazing pumice]

you can be a ninja

it's like rogue but easier to spell

[rotund oak]

guy has private logs man

he is rly good

[balmy condor]

Well yeah

He raids in like a top 15 guild

They usually private

[spice spire]

Idk man.
He gaslights the entire rogue community to think assassination is too strong, then turns and says “nvm outlaw good”

He’s poop

[rotund oak]

he needs to throw that outlaw burden for sure

whatever the hate or dislike is

its pointless,holds u down

but he is rly good

[spice spire]

Nah he’s a memer

Think the man only hates sub

[rotund oak]

he hates everything thats not outlaw

he basicly loves ret more than the two specs

[balmy condor]

He likes assa

[rotund oak]

hope so

now make him stream more frequently

he can sell the rogue

voice is 10/10

[spice spire]

[sudden brook]

SUBS AIGHT RN

[runic hinge]

Guy likes when rogue is strong except when sub is the best rogue spec

[sudden brook]

caps

[runic hinge]

Oh

lol

[spice spire]

Aight damn guy don’t yell at me wtf

Good to hear tho

[hot nexus]

is there a target count where envenoms into spatter with and without DM/KB are worth more than a full duration CT?

[blazing pumice]

splatter is target capped big dog

[hot nexus]

yeh i mean they both say reduced beyond 5 so idk how they interact

is there any general rule?

[balmy condor]

They’re reduced beyond 5 at the same rate

Same as every other reduced beyond 5 spell in the game

So their value holds linear

There’s no breakpoints

[hot nexus]

ah kk, so is a full duration CT still better? or how does it depend if the spatter target you're envenoming has kb or both dm/kb?

[balmy condor]

Yes, CT takes priority outside of darkest night

[hot nexus]

rgr so always CT if you're going to get full duration?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hot nexus]

tyty xoxo

[balmy condor]

And then keep slamming those envenoms while you wait for dots to tick

This is the way

[vital haven]

you apply CT before getting the envenom buff rolling?

[balmy condor]

Generally yes

CT before CDs

Unless you super need prio right on pull you just CT -> CDs

If you do feel the need to cd faster you would just skip the CT, CDs -> env -> ct

[upbeat pebble]

thoughts on crafting a second dagger if im not going into mythic raiding?

[balmy condor]

Yolo I guess

We have 4 sparks and only need 2 for embellishments

Craft whatever you’d like

[vital haven]

@balmy condor do yuo still envenom before losing the b uff?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[vital haven]

ty ❤️

[storm hedge]

I need to get better at Ovinax before we start progressing it on mythic. It's my worst boss on heroic parse-wise. Not sure what I'm doing wrong though, any general tips for that fight?

[arctic bramble]

Why sometimes the envenom buff last really long, and sometimes they expire quickly? Do we let them drop when they expire within 2-3 spec and we only have 2-3 CP to spend? Or try to extend the buff with those 2-3 CP

[storm hedge]

Always 5+

The buff length is based on amount of CP spent, and has about 0.5 - 1s of pandemic

[arctic bramble]

Aight ty

[west crown]

Outside of vanishing to apply bleeds, using CT and spatter effectively. Entirely dependent on how effective your group is at grouping the adds

[balmy condor]

Will say if your group isn’t effective at grouping adds you will not kill mythic

[storm hedge]

Our tank is gearing BDK for the fight so 🤞

And we have 2 FDK as well

[balmy condor]

Yeh you just CT/envenom when adds spawn

Otherwise crank boss

[tawdry flint]

Most guilds start with
The majority specing aoe then slowly reduce that by 1 so you can find the balance. We’re starting ovinax prog on Sunday

[storm hedge]

Not worth to save CDs for the adds right? I have been using them as soon as they are up

[balmy condor]

CDs line up kinda naturally

2 mins you have to hold 4-5 seconds

4mins are just up

And then you hold for the lust set

[balmy condor]

Luckily we don’t care

Our aoe is our single target

[arctic bramble]

I saw a comment/thread about not consuming Darkest night with ER, was it a big or intended?

[balmy condor]

CT easy peasy

[arctic bramble]

Cant see it anymore

[balmy condor]

It got fixed maybe a month and a half ago

[arctic bramble]

Oh so we do pop it on ER charge now

[balmy condor]

You always consume er charges yes

[arctic bramble]

Damn been raw dogging it to 7cp to pop it ;_;

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[storm hedge]

Can we vanish->ambush with DN in ST now?

[balmy condor]

No

[storm hedge]

So Vanish for mechanics / to apply mark in case it's missing?

[young dust]

you guys runnin versa flasks on higher keys?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

No

[young dust]

got flamed on a 12 for not using it

[balmy condor]

Yeah, most intelligent m+ player

[young dust]

By the way, as long as we dont lose a cooldown rotation, how big is it to wait 35% boss health to pop DM?

do you know the difference in damage with executr?

[balmy condor]

That extra 0.7% damage reduction is surely gonna save me on a 12

[balmy condor]

30% I guess

Everything you press during deathmark is affected by zoldyck

But who tf is running zoldyck

That sounds cursed

[young dust]

we need ST on ovinax so idc about popping on eggs

[balmy condor]

What

But you should be popping on eggs

Singular focus exists

[young dust]

what

[balmy condor]

What

[young dust]

even if we need boss prio damage?

[balmy condor]

That’s why we run CT

Yes?

What

[young dust]

i dont

[balmy condor]

Didn’t you just say you need boss damage

[young dust]

Yes?

What

[distant plinth]

What

[balmy condor]

Okay so run CT?

[young dust]

on brood

[oak tangle]

read the talent sir

[young dust]

i havent seen a single log where CT outperformed in boss damage, only overall

[oak tangle]

CT aint it

[young dust]

i know, but the logs tell ktherwise

[balmy condor]

Idk how else to word this. On broodtwister ovi’nax you should be playing CT for single target damage

[oak tangle]

CT isn't what does the damage

but it needs to be cast

[tawdry sedge]

oils or wax for m+ ?

[young dust]

i know

[tawdry sedge]

dont tell me stones i am a brokie

[balmy condor]

Both, wax doesn’t stack

[young dust]

but im talking about damage on ovinax ONLY

[balmy condor]

Again

Idk how else to word this

[young dust]

people who didnt run CT tended to deal more damage

[tawdry sedge]

so one wax one oil

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest on ovi’nax

Is a single target gain

[balmy condor]

Yes

[young dust]

well logs are skewed then, but I'll trust you

[balmy condor]

Look at their boss damage and check the average damage from a CT vs an envenom

[distant plinth]

I think he means on pure st fight no one runs CT like on sikran thats why he is asking why we going CT if they want him to purely ST the boss

[waxen oyster]

It's a bit funny how sin took

sub's thing of st increase with more targets

[balmy condor]

No, I think he’s comparing ovi’nax boss damage

[young dust]

no, ovinax

[balmy condor]

My boss damage went up when I started playing CT as well

Just from my personal logs

And I added like 25% worm and spider damage

I’m one of the highest worm damage and pretty competitive on spiders while also being top boss damage idk

It’s a good fucking button lmao

CT hits like a truck

[oak tangle]

how far down the logs do you gotta look for people who arent padding for rank 1's

cause that is the skew

[soft shale]

depends if they also have PI or not

[waxen oyster]

cant you just

filter by damage to boss

[distant plinth]

Holy moses i noticed my ST talents were the old ones🥶🥶🥶🥶

[soft shale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2919&metric=bossdps

[balmy condor]

What’s that even mean “the old ones”

[balmy condor]

Rank 1 playing Ct

[distant plinth]

What build is this?🤣

[proven jasper]

Looks like vv single target build

[balmy condor]

That’s one of the builds

[soft shale]

what a surprise eh!

[balmy condor]

VV and you just took imp gar

Idk

That’s pretty standard

[soft shale]

also sub being the rank 176 rogue on boss dmg

and unseeable in total

nice to see

[proven jasper]

[distant plinth]

Rly? There was another build that simmed 7k higher than this one

[balmy condor]

Then play that idk

[oak tangle]

7k in the grand scheme of things...

[rotund oak]

sims for what and for where

[young dust]

i dont think people are padding on mythic tbh

[distant plinth]

Im just wondering tho, was kinda shocked when i saw what other rouges played on sikran

[rotund oak]

those are the true questions

[young dust]

not on prog bosses

[copper monolith]

ill say it

Nerf Ret Paladins.

[oak tangle]

why

[distant plinth]

You should se my add dmg on first boss as sub, 30% more add dmg than boss dmg haha

[copper monolith]

their damage is stupid high, all the time, for how easy it is.

[rotund oak]

coz F ret paladins

buff holy more

[young dust]

oh o definitely believe you, but ovinax and above i do believe it isnt skewed yet

[balmy condor]

You know who isn’t playing CT that I see on the boss dam list

@tawny shell

Explain yourself young man

[distant plinth]

Nah, gotta be teamplayer on that shitty boss sadly

[young dust]

I didnt see any improvement on boss dmg with CT, but ill give it a couple more shots

[young dust]

i am preemptively cloaking first set of webs

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s like 1.5-2% diff

[young dust]

[balmy condor]

It’s hard to notice especially with rng and all that

[young dust]

Yeah one try has such different damage from another

[balmy condor]

But the fact you’re not noticing means you’re also not noticing it as worse

So I’ll take that

Worst case it’s equal and you just added a bunch of spider/worm damage and get to claim a dub on that

[waxen oyster]

i mean

isnt a 5 target ct like

one of our biggest dots

[balmy condor]

Yes

[oak tangle]

until a teammate, who doesn't know, see's him cast CT and flames

[balmy condor]

2 target CT is already a huge prio gain

[young dust]

i just hope kyveza wont be a pain, some guilds are almost downing on 50 pulls

[balmy condor]

1 target is technically worth already but we don’t speak of that

[waxen oyster]

also whispyr did i do a funny

if garrote was #2 on my overall

[balmy condor]

On what

[waxen oyster]

in a gb

[balmy condor]

Oh

Gar beat CT?

Wait

And env?

That’s wild

[waxen oyster]

no env was #1

[balmy condor]

HUH

[young dust]

i hate 4 mob pulls on GB

[balmy condor]

ITS GETTING WORSE

Where the hell was caustic

[waxen oyster]

3rd

[balmy condor]

[young dust]

my man doesnt run CT

[proven jasper]

bro was garroting like its his job

[waxen oyster]

i mean it was a 10 and the other dps

were also geared

[young dust]

he was running 2 vanishes for garrote

[waxen oyster]

ahh hell no

playing without ER

feels so bad

"yeah let me mutilate at 6cp for DN"

[young dust]

new meta with twist the knife so you dont lose envenom uptime?

[runic hinge]

Does that work

[waxen oyster]

maybe im trolling to have env above caustic

[orchid pewter]

You are spreading too much garrote idk

[young dust]

[unique heart]

i got 90 gilded crests should i craft a weapon or craft the shit that is crafted bis on wowhead

[waxen oyster]

consistently

[young dust]

Yes

no one gets damage or root

[waxen oyster]

do you have a myth weapon

its literally suggested in the guide what to make

[young dust]

my first cloak is for the webs and the sucky succ on the tap

[unique heart]

no myth weapon yet

[young dust]

go for weapon

[waxen oyster]

Yeah I mean if your wep isnt already 636 at least

you send weapon

[runic hinge]

You know I was thinking of the egg breaks as you’re doing it to not lose uptime in first cds lol

[young dust]

what if you get egg

wait

im popping CDs on pull

and on eggs 3-5-7-9

almost everyone does that

[balmy condor]

Ye

[runic hinge]

I mean I thought you were like pre-cloaking the egg breaks so you don’t lose uptime in first cds

I’m just stupid

[young dust]

No no im pre cloaking the webs and its still up for the first damage when she sucks the faucet

[runic hinge]

I see I see

[young dust]

but yeah the idea is not to mess with our opener

[distant plinth]

My RL wants me to do that as well. And i said no

Not gonna use the huuuugest defensive ingame to help the healers to do their job

[young dust]

the correct play is to shadowstep on a mage and cloak

[distant plinth]

Or just wipe the raid if you get first web

[young dust]

im doing it for myself really, worst thing is to get the first webs

but ill do that only on opener or in the end where we dont have much space in the room

[distant plinth]

Hoho

The worst is to get the first charge on sikran

Thats GG

[cyan gyro]

Got a problem for the expert - Is there any guides on pooling energy, when to pool etc? I've got the rotation down from the wowhead and icy veins guide, wondering if there's anything more into details after those

[slate crown]

!pooling hope this works out bot was broken earlier, Moroes are you awake?

Rip

[distant plinth]

Oooooh Lisonna the goat!

[grim jay]

Just precloak it and bug it

So it charges without a mark

And the raid wipes

[distant plinth]

What whaaaaa

[young dust]

lol i got so flamed for that

[grim jay]

Well its kinda stupid

[distant plinth]

Hahaha really is that a thing?🤣

[young dust]

if you cloak the charge your raid is fucked

pallly bubble as well

[distant plinth]

Haha

[grim jay]

It removes the debuff and indicator

But still charges

Or atleast it felt like that

It was a mess in the logs aswell

It even created a separate debuff instance

[young dust]

its funny because people have no idea what to do

can i pre cloak kyveza as well?

[earnest remnant]

yes

you can

[young dust]

does the rift spawn right on me instantly?

[earnest remnant]

or rather, you can cloak the charge debuff

it still charges you, but you will only loose like 4 sec of uptime

[young dust]

Oh the queensbane

[earnest remnant]

you dont get the ball debuff

so just straight back to boss with you

[young dust]

This is good advice

[slate crown]

Oh that’s very good to know

[earnest remnant]

getting that ball debuff

is so bad for dmg

you loose so much uptime depending on which charge you get

[young dust]

it is, and you get flamed for dotting the boss before leaving

[earnest remnant]

nah i never got flamed for doing that

if i blew up in melee

i would get flamed tho

[young dust]

i think its because of the amount of other people blewing up

[earnest remnant]

there is also another trick with the ball debuff

so you dont have to run to narnia with it

[young dust]

shadowstep on a ranged?

with the debuff as well?

[unique heart]

what you guys do when ur first group sent to shadow realm on mythic bloodhorror

[slate crown]

Sorry the bot is down. You basically just pool any time you aren’t in cooldowns (I.e. if shiv is not on the target). When you pool the very basic goal is just to not clip your envenom buff. When you have 5+ points and you have envenom, don’t press envenom again until envenom buff gets low enough.

It’s really it, there’s not too much to it

[unique heart]

i never have enough time to get full opener